How GOOD was Jolteon ACTUALLY? - History of Jolteon in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-6)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- JOLTEON! The Lightning Pokemon! Jolteon is a fan favorite amongst the eeveelutions and provides powerful electric attacks with high speed. Does this speed help it in competitive Pokemon? Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Jolteon in Competitive Pokemon!
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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Imagine having a jolteon with timid nature, quick feet, higher speed iv, knows agility, holding toxic orb, jolteon is the fastest animal In galar and alola.
I wish Quick Feet gave jolteon 1.6x speed, because then there'd be a reason to use it over scarf.
I think unburden accelgor is faster.
@@patrickward7412 50% is the same as a scarf
@@patrickward7412 why not run both?
Dankrose UA-cam show because then you would need another Pokémon to give jolteon status
Eeveelutions are fine and dandy,
But what I'm about to propose is more than handy,
You don't catch it - it joins you,
It's more fearsome than Salamence and greater than Mewtwo,
On your side of the field,
Assured victory it shall yield,
A form most unassuming,
Misleading, defeat looming,
Facing it comes with mortal risk,
So tell me my friend - How good was Luvdisc?
😂
We can make this a reality. We are only roughly five quintillion votes behind Vaporeon. Let's show them what a real water type looks like!
Stronger than that goat for sure :d
Well. We probably didn't win this time...
I guess I have to write a rap now.
MC Heart Scale coming soon to a comment section near you.
I posted a rap on Vaporeon and a parody of CM Punk's pipe bomb promo on Flareon. Like my posts, do it for Luvdisc!
Jolteon has to be my most favorite eeveelution. It has such a cool design and is one hell of a glass canon. Jolteon is always my go to electric type pokemon, then again, I don't really care about tiers and just use the ones I like.
You mean favourite. No such thing as most favourite.
Jolteon's my favourite as well
Vaporeon is my favorite
Same, Jolteon was always my favorite since I was a kid, and it's still my favorite now.
Jolteon is, in my opinion, the most consistent eeveelution. As much as I love Umbreon and Espeon, they both fall flatter than Jolteon does. I mean, it's speed stat is so good you don't even need to scarf it. Jolteon's always a solid pick for me.
@extreme odst Espeon is kinda outclassed by other psychic types, and its move pool is just kinda average. Its stats are too. Why would I pick Espeon when I could pick Alakazam, Starmie, or Slowbro?
Umbreon is really tanky and I love him to death, but just like Espeon, he's kinda outclassed by other dark types.
Jolteon, though, is great for its speed alone. It also has a decent special attack stat. Sure, its movepool isn't the best, but if you need an electric type that can outspeed most things, Jolteon is my go-to.
@Nish The Great That is true, I forgot Espeon gets Magic Bounce, which puts it considerably higher.
@@CrimsonOptics Umbreon wasn't really outclassed by other dark Pokémon defensively though. I owned a kid's Breloom with my Umbreon using Confuse Ray and Foul Play
And Jolteon has Pin Missile; which is something Umbreon & Espeon better watch out for.
Jolteon is what raichu should have been from the start.
(HERE’S A LIST OF ALL POKÉMON THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED. I will start putting this list in every video as soon as I can so that everyone will know what has been done and what hasnt. )
The following Pokémon have already been analyzed (In order):
Charizard
Venusaur
Blastoise
Dragonite
Starmie
Snorlax
Gengar
Alakazam
Gyarados
Chansey/Blissey
Machamp
Arcanine
Lapras
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Tauros
Aerodactyl
Nidoking
Scizor
Tyranitar
Rhydon/Rhyperior
Shuckle
Heracross
Smeargle
Skarmory
Golbat/Crobat
Slowbro
Wigglytuff
Porygon/Porygon2
Porygon-Z
Seadra/Kingdra
Onix/Steelix
Azumarill
Magenton/Magnezone
Sneasel/Weavile
Poliwrath
Espeon
Umbreon
Ampharos
Cloyster
Houndoom
Togetic/Togekiss
Pikachu
Raichu
Breloom
Garchomp
Gardevoir
Gligar/Gliscor
Feraligatr
Typhlosion
Quagsire
Meganium
Dunsparce
Donphan
Jolteon
Please vote on Pokémon that are NOT seen on this list for FalseSwipeGaming’s next analytic video.
holy crap dude gj
FSG needs this list and to expand it
This is really cool, but would probably be better sorted alphabetically.
Casey Moore Noted.
Casey Moore This was written in order by when each video was uploaded.
You know who else was a quintessentially fast and frail electric type Pokemon?
Tangela. You should do tangela. And tangrowth.
No, Tangela is a Steel/Dragon Type.
Justvo no, it's bug/rock
Tangela is a typeless type
No It’s Fairy Poison Like Stovepipe ha..I mean Galarian Weezing
Tangela is Water type because it's blue are yall colorblind or something?
How GOOD was Muk ACTUALLY?
it's well past time.
Been begging for Muk for ages on this channel, one time I got like 300 likes but it hasn't happened yet. We'll get him eventually, Can't Fuk with Muk!
Wanna see it too but like to wait until he starts doing the new gen
NecroVMX wait for the gen 7 to be current. So we can het alola muk to. That is why I am waiting
kuM best mon
When the lord and saviour dunsparce came I thought nothing of your “master race of muk” well I just thought of you as mukafuka
Since it looks like next week is Vaporeon, for the love of God, no bad jokes about the what the third video will be... We don't need another Quagsire incident.
BradTheThird i like quagsire
Jolteon is my favorite eeveelution following by Umbreon and Leafeon. I had a lot of great moments with it and it has a special place in my heart. Even when I played Pokemon Sun it was still a powerhouse and I will always have it on my main team even if it's not as "good" like it used to be.
My fav is Jolteon, too! Then Flareon, then vaporeon.
He can learn Shadow Ball too so he can deal with Ghost types with better speed. He can get some good TM moves
How GOOD were Misdreavus and Mismagius ACTUALLY?
Its the dude who's comment has been in like very video :O
Yes gen some more gen four Pokemon again (though technically also gen two), it is sad to see only Garchomp and Weavile of gen four having videos with all the great Pokemon from then.
I would say pretty bad
I don't know why but it's pretty cool :D
DerSamalander
Decent sweeper if you know what you’re doing.
Nice sp.def and Sp.atk so figuring out if you’re switching into a good tankable hit is key.
*How GOOD was Piloswine/Mamoswine ACTUALLY?*
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP
Steven M Attrell You can't give up if you only tried once. Also cam you vote for Marshadow some time in the future? Everyone seems to like it when you suggest for Pokemon
_thicc_ fat
Thumbs up to this
meh
how good was nosepass/probobass
Support Flygon and I support Mamoswine
"And Flareon did-nothing" xDD
SwagTips
Its so sad that Flareon’s stats are so sub-par, because its one of my favourite Pokemon just with design alone.
@Nick Cruz Well, it still didn't solve Flareon's biggest problem: Its pathetically garbage movepool
@Nick Cruz Still better than Flareon
Stygian Shadow and FALSE PROPHET
@Nick Cruz well guess what?
Jolteon is even worse in gen 8 because the removal of hp and signal beam they did this 2 my boi no
*How GOOD was Swampert ACTUALLY?*
AsianWithHat yes
How GOOD was Swampert ACTUALLY?
swampert!
Yes! How Good was Swampert ACTUALLY?
AsianWithHat yes please for the love god
How GOOD was Vaporeon ACTUALLY?
Oh my goodness, look at it flail its paws around in Stadium! Too cute!
How GOOD was Metagross ACTUALLY?
JCBro2014 Next Week, 😉😉
Hopefully Metagross gets in. I've wanted Meta or Aggron for forever but either is good with me.
Really want Metagross too.
Metagross
I mean... it's Metagross. How good do you think it's going to be?
How BAD was Flareon ACTUALLY?
Trash
>base 130 Attack
>all Fire moves were Special
wakemeup.jpg
But guys, the floof!
But Flare Blitz spam
Don't forget that it took several generations to get a physical fire move even after the physical special split >_>
Man, Jolteon has been my favorite Pokémon of all time, but I never knew that it was this good in the meta. It just gives me more reason to love it.
Hell yeah!
W pfp
How good was Mewtwo actually? (Now with 90% less of squiggly chimeras in need of the Gen. 4 treatment)
How GOOD were Misdreavus/Mismagius ACTUALLY?
Shiny Hunter Hunter My favorite Ghost types. :D
Shiny Hunter Hunter It doesn't affect Misdreavus!
Please tell me you get this reference.
Shiny Hunter Hunter yeah would be pretty interesting
Jolteon: I am SPEED
Actually jolteon is speeder.
Stand user:Jolteon
stand:*MADE IN HEAVEN*
@@bhavanijaisankar7675 w h a t
How good was Vaporeon Actually?
How good was Raikou actually?
Techtastisch | Experimente und Lifehacks but this is already that
How GOOD gallade ACTUALLY?
Raikou is basically a better jolteon
Techtastisch | Experimente und Lifehacks lol nice ur here. Didn't know you liked the Pokimäns
Hätte nicht erwartet, dich hier zu sehen. :'D
I’m addicted to this series. Send help.
It's far too late for you now. :)
We’re not doing get help
How good was Vaporeon actually?
Now you have to do the other two Eeveelutions, how GOOD were flareon and vaporeon ACTUALLY?
Azj1 Flareon is hot garbage. ‘Nuff said.
Flareon's life sucked until it got Flare Blitz as a reminder that his life sucked even harder
Vaporeon: Bulky water type, limited moves.
Flareon: LMAO NO
Vaporeon is basically a discount suicune
@@TheDiego908
1. So does Jolteons in the anime
2. But at least Flareons are cute
Well you can’t expect a Pokémon to compete with a legendary of the same type.
So it makes sense Zapdos would overpower It.
Legendaries shouldn't be allowed in any competitive format
@@xL0stKIlah ...why? They arent all op. And the ones that are are banned to ubers
Just Another Handy among the gen one legendarys they all overperform.
Zapdos is a flying type that has a crazy strong special attack and real fast speed and can’t be damaged effectively by electric moves since its electric too.
Articuno is an ice type and only has weaknesses to Pokémon it can easily take out because like Zapdos it’s speed is really high.
Moltress honestly isn’t all that great too many weaknesses not enough pros.
Mewtwo is absurdly stupid strong not a lot can counter him aside from another mewtwo.
Legendarys tend to perform on a scale above average no matter how they are played which takes away the need to play with much form of strategy which is honestly why I think they shouldn’t be allowed in competitive tournaments.
There’s also the unfairness in using mythical legendarys.
Not only are they powerful but few people can get them anymore.
Spencer Bowden Articuno and moltress die to rocks
Funny enough. Jolteon itself is one of the few checks to the mighty Zapdos in RBY alongside Golem and Rhydon
Zapdos was difficult to counter in RBY
how good was Tentacruel Actually???
Dippy Fresh Clone
Sea Shore yes
We will get it eventually
doctorsmoothlove yes oneday...I feel you on that...
We should vote for it on Patreon. Tentacruel isn't Metagross, Swampert or one of those mons that you know people will vote in ASAP
It's so depressing to see these really awesome Pokemon from gen 1 and 2 be really strong, but dying slowly but surely throughout the franchise =(
ice tera jolteon says hi
How GOOD was Sceptile, ACTUALLY?
It was held back due to a lack luster movepool
superior is superior as a grass starter
Cubeman na Torterra is superior
Serperior*
Rebellious Treecko not good
"And Flareon did... Nothing"
This had me in stitches.
how good was electabuzz/electivire ACTUALLY?
i wont give up
Time for the ice age.
How good were Piloswine and Mamoswine actually?
Mamoswine's powers 'snow joke.
Jolteon, I remember that guy. Pretty cool how you mentioned the name of another gen1 electric type alongside it. You know, a certain electricity-filled upside down pokeball with a toothy smirk on its face. But how GOOD was that electricity-filled upside down pokeball ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was the Soviet Union ACTUALLY?
Awesome
BeeBober546 shit
Yes please
Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!
BeeBober546 yes
Great, we’re back to Gen 1, so...
How GOOD was Clefable ACTUALLY?
Lorenzo Martinelli gen 1 sux
Lorenzo Martinelli In gen 1-5, not good. Great movepool, but too all-around. Until Gen 6, where it was the king/queen of OU.
How GOOD was fixed Focus Energy in Gen I ACTUALLY?
How good was Tentacruel actually?
FINALLY my all time favorite. Also, when I was a kid, I was saved by a lucky 5-hit Pin Missile against my rival’s Alakazam in the last seconds of the champion battle. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who’s been spared by such a commonly overlooked move.
How good was Milotic actually ?
Anthony David my baby milotic
heyyy my girl sexy gyrados
*Requests Jolteon every week since the start* dosent get into the start requests part😢
By the way I just wanted to say thanks there might be a reboot incoming but your work here will be a legacy I'll remember for years to come and you can't imagine how eagerly I wait for your videos just keep the good work guys
I would definitely appreciate Vaporeon done soon. It's my favourite poke of them all and your videos are incredibly interesting.
Dont need to ask for another video. Im JUST HAPPY MY JOLTY GOT TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT!!!
How good was clefable actually plz it’s been 6 months
How good was swampert ACTUALLY?
How good was Swampert actually?
Here's hoping they give the Eevelutions some major buffs in gen 8, secondary baseline abilities, actual HA's that help Jolteon/Umbreon/Flareon and some additions to each of their movepools, oh the things i would do for EQ Leafeon, or Glaceon not being a "defensive" based ice type (chuckles).
Leafeon would probably get Drill Run over that
How GOOD Was Kangaskhan ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was Tentacruel ACTUALLY?
Wow, I had no idea Jolteon did so well in competitive!
As the first Mon I ever EV trained I'll always love Jolt
How good was exeggutor actually? i`ll never give up on this damn palm tree!
So when will we get mewtwo?
Never. Mewtwo was always banned on tournaments, there's nothing to talk about.
He had a short bit in the Dunsparce video. Always been Uber, nuff said
The Ubers meta has already been discussed without problems on the channel. And Mewtwo actually has VGC history. A small one, but better than nothing considering how many Pokemon without VGC history have been covered here
I know right!?! I have been waiting for Mewtwo ever since the Alakazam video
Nothing to talk about just because no Tournament play? What about Smogon.
Mewtwo needed to adapt over the years with more different Ubers coming out.
Non-competitive, but Jolteon was my favorite solution for Psychic types in Gen 1 with Pin Missle
How good was VAPOREON actually?
How good was pinsir actually
How GOOD gallade ACTUALLY?
Sperry the god Pinsir always sucked, until he got a mega. There you go, no video needed.
Sperry the god I say this as someone who loves pinsir more than most bug catchers. Pinsir Sucks. It's moveset is almost entirely normal and fighting but it lacks the attack, bulk, or speed to make it work. Aerialate saved Pinsir from Obscurity.
Andrew Shewan I am aware of how good Pinsir was, however, I just suggest it, so they can make a video of it.
shadow Xッ that's a cool idea.
this video is a really good example of how different early FSG is from modern FSG
Jolteon was basically mid-tier OU for the first 4 generations even with Baton Pass, merely existing in the meta instead of being a crucial part of it, being very specific in what teams it can fit on, and pretty much only stayed OU due to popularity and not because of merit. it has only gotten worse in past gens as time goes on and deserved to drop out of OU starting in Gen 5, and is so bad that modern BW players don't even acknowledge its existence on the viability thread. the only tier where it ever achieved A-rank viability is ironically in Gen 6 RU (the first time it fell).
such a Pokemon would be treated much harsher in a modern video and be an example of the flaws of the tiering system but achieves endless praise in this video just because it was OU 5/6 times
Jolteon was pretty legit in gen 1 and 3, it's drop being more recent and way past when those generations were the current generation. It was not a top metagame threat, but it was also far from awful either, yes nowadays it's not as good due to shifts in the meta (notably for RBY the absolute game changer that was the Same Type status immunity discovery that indirectly lead to the fall of Exeggutor and a relative increase in Rhydon and the two combined lead to Jolteon being worse off than before)
I agree with the sentiment you shared here, but at the same time, for those two gens at least, it's a bit harsh (though for DPP, calling it mid tier OU would be exaggerating how good it was in the tier)
How good was Vaporeon Actually?
I mean, you've already started the Eevee trio, might as well finish it.
Please my boy mamoswine is waiting for you
Jolteon was completely outclassed by Raikou in Gen 7 RU and even if it did drop to NU, it’ll still be outclassed, this time by Heliolisk, Togedemaru, and Rotom. Even if it dropped to PU, the fact that Eelektross is one of the best Pokémon in the tier means already Jolteon has competition, but at least it could still have a niche down there. The playerbase finally learned their lesson and let Jolteon drop to PU in Gen 8, but it still has competition in the form of Rotom-Fan, Togedemaru, and the excellent new Morpeko. At least it still has a niche, however.
How GOOD Was Mewtwo ACTUALLY?
How GOOD was Golem ACTUALLY? Since we're back to Gen 1 Pokémon, make a video for one of the kings of R/B/Y that hasn't gotten a video yet.
Gardetrace exeggutor also needs a video
He did the video.
@Magnus Von Braun Exeggutor is technically not as bad as Golem & Tauros
In Gen 5 it became a bit relevant again thanks to Harvest
@@toomeowstream3253 The worst of the trade lot for sure
Also, now that we're back to gen 1, when Gen 1 Battling Explained Part 3 ?
How good was tentacruel actually or I'll be back next week
And the week after that
And the week after that
And the week after that
And the week after that
And you get the idea
The king of Dank he'll Never understand Your f*cking words.
I think its interesting to see, how far a decent attack stat with large speed goes. Many Gen1 Mons fall down over time except for Buffs. But Jolteon held its own quite a long time and if you look at the GBA or similar formats its still deadly asset.
if were back to gen 1... why not do exeggutor?
How GOOD was Exeggutor ACTUALLY
How good was Vaporion actually ?
Oof, just noticed in Gen 1 you split the special stat.
How good was Vaporeon ACTUALLY?
How good was vileplume?
I think every eevee evolution really reflects the owners personality, but I am definitely a Jolteon fan
Keep the gen 1 eevee evolutions going! Vaporeon!
How GOOD was Vaporeon actually?
How GOOD was GIRATINA ACTUALLY
PLIZZZZZ I WANT TO SEE GIRATINA THE GOD OF CHAOS
I won’t give up! How GOOD was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?
lavaquil arena trap Is banned.
Dipshit.
Mystic Flareon Was Arena Trap banned in other gens? If not, then shut your damn mouth.
Before trying to embarass yourself on a public video by calling a stranger online a dipshit, did you EVEN do your research on Smogon analyses on Dugtrio? Based on your comment, you didn't. Now be a nice kid and try to not act so aggressive to people who did nothing to you.
lavaquil Well said.
Farmer With Shotgun I AM TIRED OF THAT NOW! (SCREAMS SO, SO, SO, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOOO MUCH LOUD AFK)
Plz do vaporeon
I know this video is old but it came up in my feed and I thought it said how good was Johntron actually
Love the channel btw
How good was Jynx ACTUALLY?
Then gen 8 came and neutered its movepool into the ground. RIP Jolteon
ikr 😭
Set
Thunderbolt
Volt Switch
Shadow Ball
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM.
Me who pairs Focus Sash Corsola to set up Weather and sweep with Weather Ball Jolteon: 👁👄👁
@@suchomimustenerensis HYPER BEAM
@@hitkid2456 HYPER BEAM SUCKS
How GOOD was misdreavus/Mismagius ACTUALLY?
how good was vapeorion ACTUALLY
Okay, so recently, I made a competitive team in Pokémon Sun and Moon to defeat my brother. In it, I had a
-Mega Lucario
-Garachomp
-Araquinid
-Salazzle
-Decidueye
-Jolteon
In the battle, he had 3 Pokémon that were weak to Mega Lucario, and so I used it to defeat him, and it was basically the MVP. Also, I had always assumed that Lucario would've been the best sweeper on my team, due to it's absurd attack and speed stat. But recently, I started to playing on battle spot, and I swear, I CANNOT tell you how many Primal Kyogres, Yveltals, Mega Salamances, Mega Gengars, Mega Gengars, and Mega Alakazams my little electric fox with sunglasses has brutally murdered
Here's my set (it's pretty normal)
Voltair (Jolteon) (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Signal Beam
- Shadow Ball
Well thats some dog cat friendship
how good were piloswine and mamoswine actually?
YES I WAS WITING FOR THIS! Now here's a thing I want....
How GOOD was Vaporeon Actually?
How good was vaporeon actually
How good was aggron actually? Been asking for months now😭
Guessing mediocre until Mega and then bad in SM
With how many mons there are, everyone’s been asking for their faves for months. I hope your pick gets chosen, but a lotta people can use the same argument 😕
I was pretty curious of how good was Jolteon, it was my favorite Eeveelution up until Espeon.
How good was vaporeon?
Cover Vaporeon next
"Raikou was a bigger version of it"
Makes perfect sense in the lore. Supposedly the legendary beasts are resurrected dead Eeveelutions who were trapped inside when Burned Tower burned
My Favorite and first Level 100 Pokémon
Swampert or Vaporeon!
How good was Swampert actually?
Flareon. Just to troll the people who want vaporeon.
How GOOD was Golem ACTUALLY?!
Vaporeon's fall from grace.
How GOOD was Tentacruel ACTUALLY?! Keep gen 1 going!
John Madden Tentacruel was one of the gen 1 Pokémon that actually became useful in the end, I like it
How good was vaporeon actually?
how good were metagross and salamence?
Vaporeon!!!!!! I will never stop commenting for vaporeon
How good was metagross actually?