[LIVE] How to Achieve Proper Grounding - Rick Hartley - Expert Live Training (US)

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  • @MsAndy60
    @MsAndy60 8 місяців тому +6

    I've been a designer since the 80s. I have been working in Altium since its release. (A mixed and power electronics designer).
    I haven’t seen anything more exciting, I was stuck for two hours. Lots of adrenaline. Detectives are resting! Thank you for the material.
    Much is familiar and has long been intuitively understood. I developed some of my own triks and solved problems differently. But here is a wonderful systematization of the life experience of a wonderful designer on the way from a teapot to a pro!!
    I understand it and remember every one of my mistakes and every crazy PCB. At some point I realized that the EMC laboratory should be behind my back, and not from someone for money. I assembled it, and the work went much faster. Thank you so much again!

  • @payloh_3328
    @payloh_3328 Рік тому +41

    This mans knowledge is remarkable.

  • @gudimetlakowshik3617
    @gudimetlakowshik3617 3 роки тому +32

    Title: How to achieve proper grounding
    Topics covered:
    Signal integrity
    cross talk
    EMI
    digital/ananlog topics
    layer stackups
    Best video I've ever seen. Thanks Altium for beautiful effort of bringing industry experts to an open platform. Thanks alot

  • @UnfoundMusic
    @UnfoundMusic 4 місяці тому +7

    Only 30 minutes in and the way hes describing these topics bring so much more understanding to how circuits work than anything in my electrical engineering degree. Thank you so much Rick!!!

  • @fuizipra
    @fuizipra 10 місяців тому +13

    I feel like my brain just expanded to double the size Great talk

  • @educationdz202
    @educationdz202 Рік тому +7

    This is probably one of the best lecture in Electronics, I've learned so much, thank you very much indeed.

  • @dksmith68
    @dksmith68 3 місяці тому +1

    I attended one of Rick’s 2 day seminars a few years ago and this was a great refresher. THANK YOU Dan for making it so simple to understand. I’m still debating with other engineers who insist on talking about where the current flows without admitting it’s where the fields travel. It’s the field propagating that creates the current flow in the copper. I’m going to make my engineers watch this to try to get them to understand.

  • @engsam7759
    @engsam7759 3 роки тому +20

    the 4th time i watched this and every time I pick up new info !! THANK YOU .

  • @MacRabbitPro
    @MacRabbitPro 3 роки тому +101

    This are one of the best 2:20h I spent in my professional life. Thank you!

  • @deangreenhough3479
    @deangreenhough3479 4 роки тому +183

    Mind-blowing content. I am just starting out in Hardware design professionally. This is what I have been looking for, 55 years of experience eloquently delivered. Thank you, Rick

  • @Philip8888888
    @Philip8888888 2 роки тому +3

    Mind blown. Amazing how you can learn how much you didn't know and change how you view things completely at the same time.

  • @stepannovotny4291
    @stepannovotny4291 Рік тому +1

    Get through the first 10 minutes and then THIS BECOMES A FANTASTIC VIDEO FOR PCB DESIGN!

  • @darrylgodfrey9604
    @darrylgodfrey9604 2 місяці тому

    I'm on my second viewing and this video is still stunning. I imagine a third and fourth viewing to be in my future, there's just so much to take in. Thank-you Rick Hartley and Altium.

  • @youdonotknowmyname9663
    @youdonotknowmyname9663 3 роки тому +2

    I learned more about good PCB design in these 2,5 hours then in all the years at school!
    Yes, it is for free, but all of this knowledge is priceless and very valuable!

  • @camdenarey2341
    @camdenarey2341 Рік тому

    I went to sleep and woke up to this ty for the best time of my life God loves you

  • @hklausen
    @hklausen 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow! This talk put so many things in to to right place in my head. Thank you very much.

  • @DEtchells
    @DEtchells Рік тому +52

    Wow, this was a complete paradigm change in my thinking, it instantly gave me an entirely different understanding of signal (noise) propagation on circuit boards! I can’t recall the last time I had such a sudden burst of comprehension, it was an amazing experience. *Huge* kudos and thanks for the presentation!!

  • @Ratkill
    @Ratkill 3 роки тому +53

    How the hell you gonna drop these mind bombs on me for 2 hours straight.
    This video just now was a pivotal point in my understanding of electronics.
    This is the kind of thing the internet was made for.

  • @edvinass3804
    @edvinass3804 6 місяців тому +3

    This is like listening to Grand Master Oogway. I was amazed, when he revealed, that energy travels in dialectric, so much great examples, for free!? Man, I love this.

  • @kleberburgos
    @kleberburgos 2 роки тому +38

    I felt I was not only learning, but being enlightened. Thank you Mr. Hartley! Please Altium, we need more content from this Guru.

  • @sgct89
    @sgct89 Рік тому

    Glad this video got released! My kids won't stop playing up and I've been needing to properly ground them

  • @KarthikArumugham
    @KarthikArumugham 2 місяці тому

    Great presentation, Rick! This talk was my first introduction to multi-layer PCBs and their best practices. Thank you for the insightful session!

  • @Mohammad-vh4bi
    @Mohammad-vh4bi 8 місяців тому

    It was one of the best tutorials I have seen on UA-cam. Thanks a lot.

  • @lesson.3012
    @lesson.3012 Рік тому +1

    Rick Hartley is the best. He looks so good.

  • @kaishang6406
    @kaishang6406 5 місяців тому

    I started knowing nothing about pcd design, now i know some things. thank you very much about this talk. I'll come back when i know better.

  • @LTVoyager
    @LTVoyager Рік тому +6

    I was fortunate to have taken a course early in my career back in the late 80s taught by Prof. Tom Van Doren on Grounding and Shielding. He covers most of these same concepts, but in more detail given that it was a two-day course rather than two hours. Very useful for control engineering and instrumentation as well as PCB design.

  • @raymondklucik
    @raymondklucik Рік тому +2

    This video elicited a profound transformation in my cognitive framework, instigating an immediate and comprehensive shift in my understanding of signal (noise) propagation within the realm of circuit boards. Thank you!

  • @BM-jy6cb
    @BM-jy6cb 2 роки тому +11

    This is truly excellent content. A goldmine for any PCB designer. Thank you.

  • @Graham_Wideman
    @Graham_Wideman 4 роки тому +17

    7:00 the question of should you attach the cable shield to chassis or to circuit ground, for which Rick's answer is always to the chassis (and for good reasons). That's all very well, so long as this cable is not designed to carry the signal return (slash ground reference voltage) on the shield, like several standards for audio cables do, for example. In that situation, you don't want the shield conductor to connect the chassis of two pieces of equipment that are plugged into mains, where their chassis are individually connected to the ground pin of two different wall outlets, thus introducing a ground loop, and a hum voltage that adds to the audio signal being communicated. There's a reason for insulated RCA sockets, insulated BNC sockets and so on.

  • @RichardSchulting
    @RichardSchulting 6 місяців тому

    The best presentation I've seen in many many years. Eyeopening big time! Thank you for your insights. Also great prestation skills, never lost contact during the presentation. Excellent and well done!

  • @markw208
    @markw208 5 років тому +14

    I was lucky enough to be at some of Rick’s seminars while I was at Compaq and Hewlett-Packard. Very informative. I still have his guide book

  • @EngineerInTaipei
    @EngineerInTaipei 9 місяців тому

    Book of knowledge for beginners. A must-watch lecture.

  • @remy-
    @remy- 3 роки тому

    Wow. This movie is ABSOLUTELY a must for pcb designers. Rick, thanks!!! Gr from Holland.

  • @brucetouzel6484
    @brucetouzel6484 2 роки тому +1

    thank you for presenting complex information in an understandable format

  • @gapguy9564
    @gapguy9564 2 роки тому

    @10:00 such an humble "Grounded" person. Love from INDIA

  • @Nguyencongkhoai
    @Nguyencongkhoai 3 роки тому +1

    It one of the most amazing videos I've ever seen on youtube

  • @RicardoPenders
    @RicardoPenders 3 роки тому +7

    Turns out that when I design a PCB that I'm doing the right thing naturally, to me it's common sense but I still learned a couple things from this video that I can improve on in the future so many thanks for taking the time to make this video and sharing it here on UA-cam.
    If you're researching electrical engineering and go into the specifics like this topic in this video it's very hard to find anything coming close to the quality and the wealth of accurate and reliable information like we get with this video, we need more of this online in the public space because there's too many people talking about these things online who don't have a clue of what's really going on and if you're doing research on a specific part in EE that you're not familiar with and you listen to the wrong people you'll get misinformed and it's even harder for someone to recognize being wrong and have to learn it all over again to get rid of the misinformation planted in your head by all those idiots thinking that they know it all which is costing too much time that you never get back, it happened to me several times so I'm talking from my own experience.
    Again many thanks for putting this online guys and I wish you all the best,
    Ricardo Penders.

  • @achimbuchweisel2736
    @achimbuchweisel2736 2 роки тому +2

    THANKS a lot. This has been so educational! A lot of mysteries have been solved that I've been carrying around.

  • @JeremieFrancois
    @JeremieFrancois 3 роки тому +6

    This really is a superb, and enlightening presentation. ONE THOUSAND THANKS. Rare and precious material that changed my view on electronics and my routing jobs.

  • @metaphysica9984
    @metaphysica9984 2 роки тому

    Thats awesome! Im routing biards for many years, so much read, but never heard better.

  • @Chrls5
    @Chrls5 2 роки тому +3

    WOW, i just learnt how wrong my concept of grounds are!!! Mind Blown! Thanks Rick Hartley, super interesting and awesome content!!

  • @michaelcrookes1350
    @michaelcrookes1350 3 роки тому +25

    Thanks Altium and Rick. This is one of the best PCB tutorials I've seen. Only wish I'd seen it years ago. For me it brought together all those little tips I've been told since the start of my career but actually explained why - with some great tips that I hadn't been told as well.

  • @rehmancheema4987
    @rehmancheema4987 25 днів тому

    This man is really a gem, watching in 2024

  • @edcet06
    @edcet06 3 роки тому +4

    This is gold. Thank you Rick

  • @byro32271
    @byro32271 4 роки тому +38

    I'm a dumb mechanical guy who dabbles with electronics as a hobby and this was so enlightening! I love it when experts explain the fundamentals clearly!

  • @alexpioner
    @alexpioner 2 роки тому +7

    Genious video which can absolutely change the vision of the board design physics for many HW engineers. It's a pity that there is a big lag of video relatively to sound, and Altium hasn't fixed it. A little bit hard to follow.

  • @RelayComputer
    @RelayComputer Рік тому

    Thank you very much. Although I already applied some of the practical rules exposed here, this explanation of why we should apply them was really eye opening. The most surprising realisation is that bad effects start to happen at frequencies as low as just few kHz. Again many thanks !!

  • @saginata
    @saginata 2 місяці тому

    I think the drain of a sink analogy around 9:55 works quite well. You just have to think of a drain with issues: clogged up, poorly vented and with an incorrect slope.

  • @remontlive
    @remontlive Рік тому

    Its a million dollars video, im a 38 years radio engineer and knew that all only now, energy is a field! now i got it.

  • @mltonsorangestapler
    @mltonsorangestapler 2 роки тому

    This is a fire broadcast, I enjoyed this thoroughly

  • @peterlaidlaw8655
    @peterlaidlaw8655 3 роки тому +1

    Very excellent, thank you very much for sharing this.

  • @turneroq9888
    @turneroq9888 2 роки тому +1

    I spend all my New Year celebration with this super interesting man. Thank you for sharing such content!

  • @mbeard117
    @mbeard117 Рік тому

    Great presentation Rick! There is a mechanical thickness requirement of 0.062" for a PCIe board-edge connector.

  • @arkansassignalintegritycom408
    @arkansassignalintegritycom408 5 років тому +4

    Very impressed with Altium this year. It's like they won 2019 World Series. Killin' it.

  • @mitchelllague5499
    @mitchelllague5499 Рік тому

    Thank you Rick for this golden information!

  • @nicolasgoldberg3114
    @nicolasgoldberg3114 3 роки тому +17

    Amazing content Rick. Thank you it really helps with PCB design. Helped me get insight into design flaws with my pcbs.

  • @xXRedyzXx
    @xXRedyzXx 2 роки тому +1

    Love this format, keep up the great work

  • @smithright
    @smithright Рік тому

    This is blowing my mind. Keep up the amazing work!!! 🚀

  • @pcdoodle1
    @pcdoodle1 Рік тому

    Really good video, I will use some of this information in our small company making gadgets.

  • @rfengr00
    @rfengr00 4 роки тому +4

    Great presentation. At 32:00 there is an interesting effect not discussed. At very low frequencies the Z0 goes up (nonlinearly) due to finite R and G as frequency approaches zero; a low frequency dispersion. You can see this effect on some RF VNA that go down to 300 kHz or lower.

  • @hklausen
    @hklausen 2 місяці тому

    I've suddenly become a big fan of Rick Hartley😊Like math, I basic rules should be understood before you can do good work 🙂

  • @wjxway
    @wjxway 2 роки тому

    Gosh, I've gone through tons of tutorials about spit grounds, crosstalks, and EMI-related issues, but NONE of them is clear, most are just based on rubbish and usually incorrect experience. As a former physics student and current Ph.D. student working in mechatronics, this is the tutorial I am looking for, theory and reality perfectly combined! I wish I'd seen this video a few years earlier, could saved me a ton of time debugging stuff.

  • @dan5607
    @dan5607 3 роки тому +1

    Mind blowing content, basically tore apart years of "knowledge" in 2 hours!

  • @AzaB2C
    @AzaB2C 2 роки тому

    Phil's Lab sent me here, so grateful. But now I have to go back and rework my design.

  • @RiyadhElalami
    @RiyadhElalami 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing, we need more like this stuff, I wish I was one I would have asked a few questions.

  • @xeropulse5745
    @xeropulse5745 Рік тому +4

    This is absolutely brilliant information. I've only recently began studying electronic engineering during my master's, and this is brilliant supplementary info! Thank you so much Rick!

  • @dharmikmistry8781
    @dharmikmistry8781 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much Sir. Also a big thank you to Altium team for all time uploading this kind of knowledgeable session.👍

  • @UltimateRobotics
    @UltimateRobotics 3 роки тому +3

    Energy transmitted in dielectric! That's the priceless part - many people talk about impedance and return currents, but that's the perfect and extremely simple explanation of _why_! Thanks!

    • @TheVideoVolcano
      @TheVideoVolcano Рік тому +1

      Meanwhile I say this too my principle digital engineer supervisor and he said it is nonsense. And also asked my RF/Microwave design engineer coworker and they said similar thing. I don't who to believe anymore....

    • @UltimateRobotics
      @UltimateRobotics Рік тому

      @@TheVideoVolcano it's not a matter of faith - physics doesn't care about people's opinions :) Just ask yourself a question: how EM wave propagates here (hint: it's explained in the video but requires some knowledge to understand). If you would blindly trust the video without understanding what is happening, how will you apply it for actual PCB design anyway?

    • @TheVideoVolcano
      @TheVideoVolcano Рік тому

      @@UltimateRobotics unfortunately regardless of what I think, I will be forced to do it their way even if it wrong... it is annoying...

    • @Dazza_Doo
      @Dazza_Doo Рік тому

      @@TheVideoVolcano They are wrong and I can prove it. Ask them How does the Electricity from the Power station get to their Home? The Cables are the Wave Guide, as the EM fields are OUTSIDE the wires travel 100's of Km/Miles - this is true because you move a wire next to the Power cable and get the EM energy to move into your wire. The Transmission Line System Proves this to accurate - have you seen the Veritasium videos on How Electricity Actually works? It's a Study of Electrodynamics. A Capacitor is a break in the circuit, nothing should cross it, but it does, why EM fields travelling though the wave guide. How does RF work? EM fields travelling though space/air meet up with a wave guide, called an antenna and we receive the signals. No Electron from the Power Plant makes it to your Home, All the Power is in the EM fields. Voltage and Amps are Measurements of the EM field. Did you watch the Play list?

  • @DrTune
    @DrTune 3 роки тому +10

    Rick [if you ever come read this] - dude - that's awesome. So great. Get more of your knowledge out there, please, you do it well.

    • @nameredacted1242
      @nameredacted1242 3 роки тому

      He speaks at just about every major PCB design conference... if you can afford going to a conference.

  • @paulg.3067
    @paulg.3067 3 роки тому

    I am just an electronics noob with some stupid breadboards but that "voltage and current is not the energy" thing was just amazing as well as the rest of the video!

    • @Dazza_Doo
      @Dazza_Doo Рік тому

      Consider Veritasiums Videos: The Big Conception of Electricity and his Follow up Video, How Electricity really works.

  • @natriumhydrochlorid
    @natriumhydrochlorid 3 роки тому

    that all of this is free info is the best ever . thank you very much .

  • @thisisnonpractice
    @thisisnonpractice 3 роки тому +1

    What a presentation!!

  • @aardrock
    @aardrock 3 роки тому +6

    Very interesting and valuable.
    I wonder if there is such a thing as “field-oriented or field-centered electronic design” that starts at fields and folds the design around that.

    • @mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539
      @mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539 2 роки тому +1

      I think the mind required to design circuits that way would be inconceivably smart. It's taken me 30 years to understand how electricity flows through a wire !! Lol

  • @piopio1807
    @piopio1807 11 місяців тому +3

    I slightly disagree with your ignorance of the peanut-buttered vias! :-), ...have you tested it?

  • @TomLeg
    @TomLeg Рік тому

    Phil's Lab sent me ... great presentation!

  • @rickpontificates3406
    @rickpontificates3406 8 місяців тому +1

    This seems similar to the "double slit" paradox. Electricity "takes the path of least resistance", but in order to take that path, it must already know the path

  • @C0deC0w
    @C0deC0w 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this excellent information. Really appreciate it 👍

  • @tarunsharma9943
    @tarunsharma9943 2 роки тому

    Very Informative. Thank you Rick!

  • @Tutoelectro1
    @Tutoelectro1 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome talk, well worth it. Thank you very much! I wish there was a way for Altium to check this concepts in the DRC. Like have at least a warning when you route a signal between power planes, or when you split grounds, etc. Maybe this feature is somehow implemented and I'm not aware of it?

  • @ongdaniel5273
    @ongdaniel5273 2 роки тому

    Thanks for this great video! really learned a lot from this video.

  • @mohamedalioueche4165
    @mohamedalioueche4165 Рік тому

    Awesome 😁 thank you mister Rick.

  • @johnbaillie5141
    @johnbaillie5141 3 роки тому

    Unbelievable - this is GOLD

  • @Dazza_Doo
    @Dazza_Doo Рік тому

    Great Videos, Rick Hartley is doing talks at PCB West/East and I can't seem to find them. You can also add this one, " Navigating Grounding and EMI issues in your PCBs and PCB West Sneak Peek" and Printed Circuit University website, also associated with Rick. Fundamentals -> Veritasium: The Big Misconception About Electricity and his follow-up Video: "How Electricity Actually Works" and the Asylum Society - Electrodynamics play list (which explains that EM fields is where the Energy is and that is another abstraction of what is happening on the Atomic level). No Electron from the Power plant ever makes it to your Home to power your Phone Charger, it's all in the Fields!

  • @henrikvilhelmsen6299
    @henrikvilhelmsen6299 3 роки тому

    Thanks Rick.
    now i understand some of the problems there are in the model train world i have seen with marklin digital.
    I work with Eagle cadsoftware 9.6.2 - now and design pcb for my marklin digital layout.
    Best regards, Henrik Vilhelmsen - Dannemark.

  • @Ikkepop
    @Ikkepop 3 роки тому +1

    Mindblowing stuff, I learned alot of things that I should not do... now to figure out what the heck should I do instead XD

  • @mikestewart4752
    @mikestewart4752 2 роки тому

    Who would have thought that a free video on UA-cam taught me more about board design than my $40,000 education. I’m pissed.
    Great video!!!

  • @kentvandervelden
    @kentvandervelden 3 роки тому +1

    Wow, 2.5hrs of grounding awesomeness!

  • @zaneandre6387
    @zaneandre6387 Рік тому

    All the stuff that my dad tried to explain to me about electron flow, whole flow, and the emission of electromagnetic energy as a kid all came back to me while watching this. Excellent presentation by a (compliment-trust me) huge freaking nerd. Saved into my "EM Theory " folder on UA-cam. 😅

  • @shantk7378
    @shantk7378 2 роки тому

    Absolutely fantastic.

  • @chrispowder2713
    @chrispowder2713 2 роки тому

    Rick, you are a f@#cking GENIUS, thank you so much!

  • @OndrejPopp
    @OndrejPopp 2 роки тому

    Man... the stuff I learnt in one afternoon. Tx mr ♥- ley. I got here from Phills lab. But as a hobbyist I am using kicad because Altium is quite outside my budget. Hope you don't mind learning from your channel nevertheless 🙃

  • @MohamedMahmoud-df6uc
    @MohamedMahmoud-df6uc 4 роки тому +4

    Thanks for this awesome content!
    I didn't understand what you meant to route a layer in triplets.
    Would You explain?

    • @Jonaspatzl
      @Jonaspatzl 3 роки тому +5

      I take it he meant that if traces don't have their return path directly in a ground plane below, you should route them like this:
      Signal - GND - Signal | Signal - GND - Signal .....
      So every signal line has a ground return path directly ajacent.

  • @user-cc8kb
    @user-cc8kb 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much. This was amazing!

  • @funny-guy324
    @funny-guy324 2 роки тому +1

    bro i was sleeping in the middle in the night then i woke to this i watched this FOR 2 HOURS

  • @MicaCZ
    @MicaCZ 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent training!

  • @riccardoanzil5998
    @riccardoanzil5998 4 роки тому +2

    👍👍👍 GREAT VIDEO!!!! I VERY rarely comment on videos. But I had to on this one. Great content rarely found anywhere else. Clear and concise presentation. More videos from Rick!!!!!!!

  • @nameredacted1242
    @nameredacted1242 3 роки тому

    @50:35 it's the core vs prepreg situation... two sheets of 0.5oz copper on both sides of a core, and you stack them up with prepreg between each. Look it up if you don't know what he is talking about, as it's critical.

  • @GiGaSzS
    @GiGaSzS 3 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing this invaluable information.

  • @burski0954
    @burski0954 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent lecture :)

  • @projects4996
    @projects4996 3 роки тому

    Worth watching every single sec 👌