If your rig is leaning with all these visible cracks, there are structural failures somewhere……that is a no brainer. Anybody who says otherwise is talking fairytales. The whole boat is structural in a catamaran, its a system. Haul the boat, level the hulls and survey the damage before you go anywhere. If you make a crossing with a knowingly damaged boat your lives will be as worthless as your insurance policy.
totally agree with Daversj, You really need to identify what caused the issue in the first place prior working out what is needed to implement a repair.
Everything you've said in this video is why I follow you and keep watching. There's no pretence and no BS. Just good honest people enjoying their alternative life and sharing it with the world.
I would not put my life in the hands of Lagoon, and fully trust their advice. I assume of course that you make your own assessment, but you are going to sail through maybe the toughest leg in a circumnavigation. I know others who have had trouble with their sailboat (not the same issues as you) and where the husband has sailed the boat with some skilled crew to South Africa and the wife has travelled with the kids by plane. In your situation, given the information you provide in the videos, I would not take the risk and sail with the whole family - as you have said earlier - it is almost impossible to evacuate with the kids. Anyway, I wish you the best - whatever you choose to do - and I admire your guts and choice of lifestyle.
Hey guys, I know the Seychelles are a bit expensive but Please do not let Lagoon tell you what you want/need to hear. I worked as a technical supervisor for years and I can tell you the mfg. will slide you around to get you to convince yourself to accept what "THEY" want you to hear and do. For what its worth, it is my contention that your boat would be very dangerous to continue sailing in its current state. If you are going to make any type of repairs u should do it right by leveling and glassing in the B/H. Then you are safe to continue on to SA and finish up the cosmetics once you arrive. I know what you are going through on the emotional side of your wants/needs and desires, I learned the hard way that you should always do what is needed first to be safe as the sea can be unforgiving. These are just my thoughts and the final decision is yours but remember that better boats than yours have tempted fate and lost. In any event, good luck and my offer still stands!!🤩👍👍⛵🛠
As a sailor for decades, having an engineering background, and paper knowledge of the waters you want to sail ( as they are on our agenda) I would strongly suggest you make serious reinforcements before leaving safe waters. Ones this goes wrong there’s no stopping. Lagoon can not say it’s safe and will wave responsibility to you. If what they say is correct it doesn’t hurt to reinforce. If they are wrong… it’ll safe your life. You take any plastic and bent it a few times… it looks okay. Now bent it 1000 times as that’s what each wave does. Eventually it will snap. Make sure you’re safe, we love you too much!
@@gatecrasherkz7 Perhaps you have never use auto correct or have intuitive writing on. Often people that do not see well, or those that do not proof read post mistakes. It's really arrogant and shallow of you to call attention to it in public. Blowing out someone else's candle does not make yours look brighter. It just makes you look like a petty bully.
It seems that there should be a class action lawsuit against Lagoon. What I've seen is on multiple boats of theirs is scary. While those bulkheads may not be structural, the movement is indication of a much deeper problem. Good luck.
You should haul out and repair the bulkheads before continuing your journey. Parley Revival had the same issues and although he went overboard on some of the repairs, he has laid out the foundation of how to repair the Lagoon Bulkhead issues. Lagoon even flew him to their headquarters to discuss what he did to straighten his hulls and repair / strengthen the bulkheads. I'm thinking that you have probably watched some of his repair videos. If not, you should.. LAST is you should think about "What Could Happen" if you're making passage and get caught in rough seas with the boat in it's current condition.. Is it really worth taking the chance?? My comments are from "an old Boatie" to wonderful family.. Fair winds and I hope all works out..
Agreed Pat. Everyone now knows there's a problem..... or two. With a compromised hull, playing a what if game is a must. Can the current integrity of the boat be counted on during the next part of your journey? When will current issues begin to impact structure? The risk/benefit is screaming hard here. It's not about the scary possibilities we know, it's about all those we don't.
Seems to me the logical next move before hauling the boat is to pull the paneling around the forward bulkhead and see if you can see any cracking, de-lamination or bending of the structural bulkhead. Parlay has posted step by step instructions on how to inspect your bulkheads. I'm sure its a little different than the 450 but generally the same process. I'm guessing when you view your bulkheads it will look just like all the 450s that had issues and that would just confirm the need to haul out and fix the issue before continuing on. Remember Lagoon initially told all the 450 owners it "wasn't structural" too.
Exactly. This is Lagoon's fault IMHO. They failed to properly secure the bulkheads to "save money for themselves". You can repair this but you have to repair and inspect all of the bulkheads. I expected many more Lagoons to suffer from this same issue. I agree 100% with Patrick. Do not sail this boat any further. It is just a dirty, dusty, and sticky repair. Good luck. FYI I am a retired P. Eng..
love seeing your family each week. Concerning Lagoon if they confirm it's safe to cross to Africa as is then let them have a crew do it! Plus it could be a great publicity for them taking care of the owner's!
I've watched you guys since you purchased Nahoa and wish you all the best with whatever you decide to do.But if it was me I personally would not continue with the boat until hauled out and inspected and repaired I just hope Lagoon end up in the long run standing by there product and a viable solution is reached between you both.
Don’t believe them when they say it’s not structural, look at the other Lagoons that have structural problems with bulkheads - it makes sense that it’s structural and that’s why your rigging is leaning
The issue Id have with Lagoon giving you the go ahead to keep sailing for South Africa the way the boat is, is that when there is a structural issue unattended (and this is definitely a structural issue) - the boat will keep getting worse . It should be sorted before you leave even if you want to enhance the fix further in South Africa. What I really liked about a Leopard I recently saw with separated bulkheads is that the company immediately came forward to do the fix. There was no need for a ‘social media dance’ to deal with and no long explanations - Leopard simply did the fix and that speaks volumes . Guys , truly hope they do the right thing for you 👍
You guys were my first sailing channel that I ever found over 2.5 years ago, and the inspiration behind us making our financial life goal to buy a boat and cruise with our daughter within the next 5 years. I love that you keep your channel realistic and almost bluntly clear as to the realities of boat life and the challenges you can face, not just the glamorous sandy beaches and freediving on reefs. You show the interaction with cultures and the human aspect, and what it’s like to raise children out there. Here’s to Willa’s immunotherapy going well - we use the same exact immunotherapy process in VetMed for severe canine allergies and it works wonders. You guys are in our thoughts and I know you’ve got this. NO GIVING UP THE BOAT. You’re not done yet!
Thanks for those words. This is exactly our goal with this channel. Transparency of what this life entails. There are high highs but also lows. Wouldn’t have it any other way. We have fundamentally changed as humans since setting sail. Our perspective of the world has evolved and broadened. There will always be a boat in our life. We will always be next to the ocean. This particular boat will be fixed and We will circumnavigate. Would have never thought when we left 7 years ago that this is where we would be at. Pretty amazing sharing on UA-cam and connecting and sharing the world as we see it. 😊
If the bulkhead is non structural that something else that should be structural is not doing its job properly. Just enforcing this bulkhead might hide underlying structural issues. Unless you're 100% sure that this is not just general increased flex in the materials in the boat I wouldn't cross an ocean unless I find the source of the trouble and fix that. I hope Lagoon will help you find the source of the flex. Stay safe and enjoy the journey!
So glad to see your posting today. I had serious concerns, especially with the little ones on board. I knew you two would do what's safe, but I felt your pain at the potential of the problem to stop your circumnavigation in it's tracks. As a fellow Canadian I'm rooting hard for you. It's good to see you working through the real life situations that need to be solved when choosing the mobile lifestyle and raising a family, particularly on a sailboat. David
I haven't rolled in the grass since a child, but after this video had a sudden desire to do so..... Enjoy your recharge time, looks spectacular environment.
Guys, I am concerned about the structural integrity of your L410. I know f a 410 that arrived in the Gold Coast QLD with the same creaking and moving furniture elements, doors etc. after a rough passage from Noumea. A Surveyor examined the boat and after consulting Lagoon, was told the same story that the boat was structurally OK and was just "settling". A multihull builder examined the boat and called BS on the Lagoon diagnosis. The owners were persuaded to allow a semi invasive examination, and I've seen the photos of the main bulkhead, the mast bulkhead, with two large and long splits running vertically from the bridgedeck, and the tabbing broken along the bridgedeck-bulkhead junction. And I know the builder who diagnosed it and fixed it. The boat was straightened (similar to Parlay) and the bulkheads were properly glassed in and reinforced. You can get an endoscope camera with 5 meters of fiber optic cable that displays on your iPhone or iPad, or Android device, and you can drill a 5mm hole to poke it in and have a look at what's happening. It makes no sense that the boat is out of alignment athartships, or "settled", if the bulkheads are all attached where they should be, everywhere. Please, don't fall prey to wishful thinking, be damned sure the boat is structurally sound before you cross oceans. Suggest you Talk to boat yards that can do restorations and major structural work, and who have multihull knowledge if at all possible. Wishing you all the best!
I am no expert, but it seems to me that if any 'settling' is to happen, it would have happened years ago and no longer be a problem now. This does not seem like settling, this seems like a failure in the way it was designed/built. As a mom and grandma (Oma) myself, please make the safest decision possible on this. I enjoyed seeing the mountain scenes. Beautiful country up in Canada! Love you guys! ❤️
@@donnakawana Lagoon is responsible and they should eat the cost. People will not buy any Lagoon boats if they do not take responsibility for this and fixed it and make it better than it was too satisfied to their buyers, clients, customers whatever they call you. instead of Lagoon giving suggestions they need to eat the cost and fix it at no cost to you.
I first found you when you were living on a tiny sailboat in BC and have followed your adventures since. I so admire you and your way of dealing with all the ups and downs.
ok, here's the deal.....things only break for one of 2 reasons : they get hit-banged crushed whatever = IMPACT....or they are not strong enuff to resist the existing stresses and they break-fracture.....your problems are the result of the second reason obviously.....the REAL issue is that when things break, ALL of that stress is then transferred to the NEXT area in line to take that existing stress, which loads THAT area more than it was probably designed for......what to do ? you only have 2 options : fix the boat and make it STRONGER than it was, (it broke so it was NOT strong enuff), or sell it as is, probably for little. Only you can decide that.....I would be taking whatever Lagoon says with a POUND of salt Ben..........the portside hull must be taking on water if it's down........OnWard....
Ben, I was a structural Engineer for 40 years. I also watched Parlay do the proper repair to mak their boat stronger than when it came from the factory. The deck must be leveled and both hulls brought to their level position before any bonding or repairs started. Contact Parlay and talk with the Captain before you start on your repair. Also don't give up on the Lagoon Corp.
We've been following this issue with Lagoon for awhile now...I'm shocked they would tell you it's not structural, because pretty sure it is. I would definitely not risk it with my family. Stay safe folks.
Very very relieved that Lagoon is stepping up. My hope is that they stay in it until its fixed or replaced. For the world to regain some semblance of health, companies need to do the right thing. Lagoon did not foresee these problems so I am not faulting them on that. Its the actions after, that tell us what their boats are really made out of. Hopefully, integrity. I love seeing Canada with you! Wish I lived there!
After having several complaints they should have recalled them and fix the issues. There are sp many complaints about the bulkheads on a few of their models they need to do a recall. People's lives are at risk. Fix them before serious injury or death happens. Swallow your pride Lagoon and fix these boats not just make suggestions.
An engineer would be crazy to sign off on you making that passage without approved repairs. I certainly wouldn't want 4 people's lives on the line if I wasn't absolutely certain that they would be safe. May Neptune watch over your family.
I'm glad you guys are getting support from Lagoon. As a non youtuber Lagoon 440 owner, Lagoon has been extremely difficult to get in touch with. I am hauled out at a Lagoon service center with non-structural bulkheads that have separated in similar manner to yours. And even the OFFICIAL SERVICE CENTER has not been able to reach someone who can help us. Like you guys, we are just looking for advice/repair instructions. I'm not asking for a "warranty" on my 18 year old boat. I just want the builders of my boat to tell me what to do, what to cut and what to reinforce. Very frustrating. Lagoons are far more solid of boats than people give them credit for. I have sailed this boat over 2600nm in all types of conditions. It's very likely I had loose floor bulkheads the entire time and the boat still held. And my structural bulkheads are still solid as a rock.
2600 nm?! im sorry thats fuck all. stop adding to the problem and saying things like lagoon are solid boats, its people who make them weak apparently! ffs,
Thank you for the update. The stress is real! Can you travel the distance with a buddy boat for peace of mind? Wishing you all the best and sending you huge hugs from Ontario, Canada♥
I'm starting to think Lagoon's are the Bayliner of the sailing world. Please stay safe and don't let Lagoon give you a band-aid solution. Anyone with any bit of engineering can tell it's serious. You are going to be going through some dangerous sailing on your way to Madagascar. Personally I would leave your kids in Canada for that crossing. Please safe, I have been following you for a few years and love you and your family.
Dude now that this has become a big thing anyone with a CAT is looking into it regardless of manufacture. A lot of manufactures actually are having the exact same issue. It’s that horrible glued wood. I’m glad they are starting to introduce carbon fiber CATS!!!!!!
@@Trashpanda_404 Sorry to disagree but NOT a lot of cat manufacturers are having the same exact problem and have glued in thin plywood bulkheads like Lagoon. We have an FP Orana and all our bulkheads are thick and glassed into the hulls everywhere. We get none of the creaking that all these Lagoons are getting. It’s a Lagoon specific problem. Just saying.
I would definitely do the same. Even when it will be hard to be away from your kids for that long, in a long run I would feel much safer without kids on the board on this already nerve wracking crossing. If shit hits the fan, then atleast all you would have to worry is how to keep yourself safe on a dinghy.
When I watched the video showing the bulkhead and the flexing, my immediate impression is that you have a major structural break possibly under the bridge deck or at hull bridge deck connection or the structural tubes connecting the hulls. Now that you mention leaning rigging, it further suggests a significant structural break. Now other members of the structure are forced to carry the loads of the broken members causing them to flex. This overload and flexing will lead to further breaking and eventual total failure in a seaway. Disclaimer, I am not a navel architect or marine engineer. I wouldn't sail that boat until it has a thorough going over and repair. Don't be a Sailing Zingaro.
You have the prettiest kids. They are such sweet-natured children. Everything happens for a reason and I know you'll make the right decisions. I keep you all in my heart and prayers. I'm in North Central WA State...near the Canadian border. We are neighbors right now! I love the polite Canadians and all that gorgeous countryside. Take care and I wish you the very best with your boat.
Poseidon giving you a hint to your question should we give up on the boat. Seattle down and rise the two beautiful children. Grandma is smiling reading this comment.
Speaking of allergies, rolling in the grass would trigger one for me (yes i'm allergic to grass lawns and sports fields) I was part of the trial for the allergy desensitisation back in the early 1990's it worked for all my many allergies, for a few years, then I had my immune system crash from other illness that caused chronic fatigue, after that it was all reset and all my allergies returned, I could have gone through the desensitisation again but didn't bother because it takes so long and can be undone so quickly. Be aware that the desensitisation is not permanent, any severe illness can undo it.
That is a lot of movement for bulkhead. Are there cracks on the hull? Looks to be rig compression. Just think of having to jump into a life raft in the middle of the night with two babies in a storm! Send Ben and and a hired crew to deliver the boat! Ash and kids take the plane. 17 year old boat with countless miles at sea call your insurance company and go buy a newer boat. You can replace a boat you can't replace a life!
I am not a boat person but you guys are! You are very experienced and it seems your gut is telling you this damage is structural/unsafe. Canada is a beautiful wonderful country. It's been an honor watching your beautiful family grow.
Guys I bought my leopard 40 in the Seychelles in June 15 in the Seychelles and we sailed down to the bottom of Mozambique where I sailed for 5 years going up and down the channel and then 2 years ago right up to the top of Kenya and down to Rbay for a haul out then Cape Town. You can get good weather to sail as is down to Rbay but it will not be in one leg. You will need to do multiple legs with stops particularly in summer. My advice is to avoid southerlies as they bring the storms and the worst weather. This is mainly why when you see a southerly forecast it’s best to be tucked in and safe for it to pass then head south after it again.
Hi guys. I see lots of advice which I am sure is annoying but to cut to the chase. From a structural engineer and 44 ft cat owner your symptoms are early stages of Parley Rival (Abeit not as bad) The reason why your rig cants to port is because the starboard hull is rising. Ie the two hulls are starting to bow upwards when looking at the crossection of the boat. The only proper fix is to support the deck so the hulls drop and reinforce the bulkheads. That’s a no BS answer from an Aussie and yes I did check my boat this year for the same thing. Sorry but hope that helps
I love you guys. Been going through a rough patch in my life but your videos always bring me joy. Thank you for what you do. Wishing the best for your family and the journey ahead. You guys have massive support for us.
Good to see you are recharging your batteries. I don't know you at all . But you have two growing children and in a tiny boat out in the middle of an ocean. Growing children need variety ,space and growing. It's not just the two of you anymore. If my children were young and they might have health issues that might be a life or death issue I would consider them before a life in a boat. I say that because i've been a parent and two little babies need more space then a tiny boat with less space than a tiny garage. So weigh out the pros and cons. Put the children first in your decisions . Good luck .
Welcome to my world, guys! After twenty+ years of challenges, I'm finally (touch wood) climbing out of the mire. It may require a few radiical and life-changing decisions but you'll come through it, so don't despair. Love and best. PS, We're following you on to boat life... wish us luck!
As a boat builder and a skipper of motor yachts this is a huge problem and a massive fix just look at Parlay I wish you all the best love your show never miss it.
Very glad to see your awareness that you needed a mental break to find perspectives, advice, and even perhaps resolve. It looks like your trip home helped with that. Looking forward to your future adventures. Regardless what they are.
Was für ein tolles Bild! Ich bin immer noch an den Anfängen eurer videos von vor 4 Jahren, ich will ja die ganze Geschichte nachvollziehen können....:) Super das ihr die Schadensliste eingestellt habt , so bestehen doch gute Chancen das euch noch jemand Anderes hilft! Wish you all a wonderful time at home in Canada 😘
I've been watching you all for a few years now since before Willa was born. I pray they fix you're home nohoa, it would not be the same without it. May the Lord continue to bless your journey amen
Buy a flexible camera wand. Get into all the hidden hull parts with the boat on the water. Inspect every inch of every bulk head. The boat can be twisted and not have the mains separated...as you are describing with the mast leaning. Twisting is far more damaging because it loads the connection node in all directions. I'd probably pull the boat and repair it where it is.
Well documented report (in my non-boat expert opinion, though I am an aerospace engineer). In particular excellent job identifying the location *and* orientation of the photos. The one thing I would possibly suggest is putting a ruler next to the cracks to make it easier to determine size. If a ruler isn’t available, a common object (such as a coin) can also be used.
Totally agree, it has to be structural. It was said that the rig was leaning to Port because the port hull had dropped, that doesn't make sense. It would be leaning to Port because the starboard hull is lifted!! Measure the span from keel to keel. I'll bet it is over width because the bulkheads have let go.
In one of Sailing Parlay’s videos Colin shows the forehead bulkhead which is the main bulkhead and there is a trim piece leading into one of the forward cabins that is glued on but can be removed allowing you to view the structural bulkhead for flexing or damage.
I have been a super fan of this channel and Ben and Ashley come across like really good people but man oh man!...I think Ben is failing to see how difficult life is with kids on Ashley and now having the issues with the boat I would reconsider going back out. Regardless, I wish Nahoa the best of luck
happy family with your journey. I remember the first time I discovered your channel back in 2018. I was a first-year college student and I just finished my Bachelor of Science in Marine Transportation. I saw the same people, same vibes, and never changed. I wish I could have a boat like you, Guiz, and sail with my family someday
A good basic owners report which the builders [including the designers] should comment on and suggest repairs. I strongly advise you to also send the builder's report to a marine surveyor/naval architect who has experience and reputation especially when dealing with Lagoon Catamarans. This surveyor is working for you and it is his legal responsibility to best advise you on the suggested reasons of failure and repairs. Trust your surveyor's advice, he is YOUR champion and knows much more than owners do and will fight if required with the builders without raising your stress and worry levels. The initial cost should be low but will guide your future plans for the boat. The main costs will come when the interior parts need removed for full inspection of all main and secondary structural components. This will be essential before any repairs are started. With my 50 years experience of designing, building and surveying small craft, from what you have shown and said, the warning bells are ringing loudly. Think safety first and protect your investment with a professional.
Cath and I have watched you from the start. Have always admired your openness, honesty and integrity. Your ability to adjust and cope with many (not always easy) situations) is so wondeful. We are very concerned for you and trust you will heed all the advice given from what to us seems like knowledgeable people. Every one with your best interest at heart. We love you and your family and can only hope your usual tenacity and wisdom will pays off so you can continue (at some point) to follow your dreams in safety. Glad the Therapy for Willa is being sorted too. Must be a releif. You all looking well anyway so the break away on home territory has done you good. All the best from Wales.
We love our country! Canada. Nature heals. Sitting by the bay as the rain falls, a dip in the water, sheds away the stress. The trees, the rocks, lakes, oceans, birds, land and marine animals support us and draw us from the stress of becoming. So happy to hear you love Canada, this land and our people. Please trust your gut, do your research. With clear minds repair your vessel so that it is safe for Bodhi and Willa. Glad you are taking care of your mental health. Love your honesty in this video.
Sailing Parley and Colin put so much effort into repairing their Lagoon bulkheads. Not only splitting at joint but also buckled/broken in the panels. I hope you have an engineer review the damage and approve your solutions. Pieces of metal across the joint seem insufficient.
After watching Parley Revival level their hulls on the hard (caused by structural failure),I don’t believe Lagoon.if your bulkhead isn’t structural then why is your hull leaning?? I love you guys and your adventures and just want you to be safe!! Wishing you all the best Fair winds ⛵️
Thank you for mentioning them because I watch them too and I've been watching Ben and Ashley for longer than them of course but I could not believe the extent of what he had to do to make that Sailing Boat actually safe again thank you for mentioning this God bless
I completely agree with Tom here. If it isn't structural, why is your rigging leaning...? Lagoon is trying to not have another "450 fiasco" on their hands and frankly they're playing a dangerous game saying things like this. I'd say the structural engineers are not accounting for what a world traveler is needing vs a Caribbean / Mediterranean Cruiser. The coastal cruisers may not need the same structural reinforcements as the world travelers. Odd to think in terms of Coastal Cruiser vs Blue Water when it comes to a catamaran, but that is what it seems to come down to. Ocean travel is much different than the Med or cruising the BVI's. Just glad you're SAFE... Godspeed Folks.
If it isn't structural, it shouldn't be under ANY load! The question therefore begs... what state are the structural elements in?!! Clearly they have failed and Lagoon's dismissal of this issue is deeply worrying. They are placing yours' and others' lives at risk by ignoring what is clearly a serious structural failure. All this said, a Lagoon would certainly not be my personal choice for global ocean cruising, and this is a timely reminder to all that if you buy a vessel that's primarily built for coastal leisure cruising, you're better sticking with that remit. There's a reason sailors refer to "blue water" sailboats...
@@Barbreck1 I agree, if a non-structural component is now carrying load that means that a structural component is failing. Also, Ben & Ashley just referred to a different Lagoon 410 that had steel plates installed on the affected bulkhead. This doesn't make sense....if that bulkhead is non-structural then the repairs aren't applied in the correct location. I think you need to find the main structure and the primary point of failure and work out from there.
Excellent reporting of the issues. Here’s hoping lagoon come to the party and get this sorted for the safety of you and your young family. Love to you all, safe travels and keep living the dream some of us can’t at this point ❤️
Always nice to come back home to recharge mind, body, and soul. I watch a lot of these sailing channels. Been wondering about long term quality of Lagoon boats?
Good update. Thanks very much. FYI - SV Skylark Amel 54, cruised down the west coast of Madescar. They found some great places to anchor. Check out their UA-cam feed.
We are watching you, guys, for a long time. I was worried about your boat situation, especially when your children were on board. Thank you very much for your update. I wish you a happy resolve the Lagoon problem. Please, continue to make videos. We love you, guys!
Hi guy's great to see you back home , enjoying our great back yard. You should CHECK OUT LIFE ON THE HULLS . He is building a cat From Scratch. right from the mold and gelcoat, he shows how to glass in bulkheads from hull to finished wall. It IS NOT HARD just a bit time consuming and dealing with heat and fumes is the worst of it. Because glass and resin cure quickly you can get a lot done, especially as you can start on one hull and while that cures you can be in the other hull working on it. You should be able to bring glass and resin from Canada with you so it is not as expensive as in the Seychelles. CHEERS AND SAFE TRAVELS Steve h.
Take care guys! Maybe take on some extra crew to have some extra hands on this passage with the kids and help with handling the boat. Rooting for you from Nova Scotia!
I’m glad you guys are recharging at Birkenhead it’s my recharge place. I live in Pemberton and have a cabin at the opposite end of the lake. Enjoy your recharge and can’t wait for the next video.
I’m glad that it sounds as if it isn’t a really big issue!! I hope you and your family make it to your next destination but definitely think about it really hard and I would definitely get more than one opinion if one says that it will be safe crossing to your next destination!! I no that you and your wife take big precautions and make sure everything is safe for traveling!! If it was me and they said it would be safe to make it to your next destination I would definitely be asking if there is anything that a person can do to help it to not flex as much or something for a temporary fix just to no that you have done something to help slow down the issue with the boat!!! Hopefully that makes sense to you??!!! Lol!! It was definitely nice to hear from you and your family and that you had made it back home to take care of a few things at home and give you some time to research the issue more on the boat!!! Awesome video and I definitely hope that you and your family will get to continue on your trip and remember keep up all the hard work buddy!! Oh and when mom was asking the little one if it was fun rolling in the grass and mom says it’s ok you can say yes it was fun as the little one say yaaa kinda slowly as if she wasn’t so sure about that at all!! Lol!! That was so cute!!!
Ashley your hair looks lovely down...Ben nice high and tight haircut. Great you two review and rethinking the bulkhead issue. Packing horses and miles in Montana those ice cold baths were painful when it was snow a few hours before. Stay safe.
If the bulkhead is meant to provide any kind of water-tightness, above, or below the floor, it is now fully compromised. Not to mention the structural compromise. It's just not safe to sale in that condition, whatever the manufacturer may say about it, and the insurance...
So glad they are helping you guys out. Cheers family. Great episode. Ben for the win jumping into that ice cold water. I bet the Coronas weren’t the only things cold. 😂
BEST news is recharge take care of yourselves and then get back, fight the boat repair battle as needed and fix the boat and get out and sail! Thank you for sharing your story and bringing so much positivity and light to your viewers.
South Africa has great facilities to do repairs. If you can make it to Richards Bay then that would be a good place to do the necessary repairs at a reasonable cost. I am from Cape Town but now live in Cairns Australia. Ill be back in Cape Town in late Jan 23 for a wedding so if you are around it would be awesome to catch up!
What a life!!! You're awesome parents and its so great for the kids to be exposed to all that beauty and nature....just wow.....enjoy this life and show the kiddos what this world is all about. Not sure about others, but we are very jelly watching your travels and adventures.....please dont stop and keep em coming!!!
Just a few heartfelt comments I want to make. Dearest Ash, your hair looks beautiful!! And dearest Ben thank you for sharing the washing of your pits. 😜 Willa and Bodhi are the cutest little explorers ever 💖💙. No comments on the boat. You have plenty of those. Hugs from Texas sweeties 😎
Welcome Home. It's nice to have you in BC again. Will you have a chance to tour the Okanagan this time - you are always welcome here! We know the boat will get sorted out - with the help of many - - that's what you do!
Glad to know your boat will not sink. Be safe and I will be watching what happens. Keep positive and things will be okay. Much prayers for all of you for your safe travels. Love Canada 🇨🇦. I am part Canadian too.
There is a book called Fiberglass Boats by Hugo du Plessis and in it is a chapter called how fiberglass fails and one of the reasons is movement or better repeated movement. What you are seeing with the centre bulkhead is a symptom of a larger problem with the actual structural bulkheads.
If your rig is leaning with all these visible cracks, there are structural failures somewhere……that is a no brainer. Anybody who says otherwise is talking fairytales. The whole boat is structural in a catamaran, its a system. Haul the boat, level the hulls and survey the damage before you go anywhere. If you make a crossing with a knowingly damaged boat your lives will be as worthless as your insurance policy.
Yep, fairytales are fun til it becomes a matter of life an literal death...
and forget just reinforcements... with fiberglass it's cut/grind all that is broken, fix and then reinforce
totally agree with Daversj, You really need to identify what caused the issue in the first place prior working out what is needed to implement a repair.
Everything you've said in this video is why I follow you and keep watching.
There's no pretence and no BS.
Just good honest people enjoying their alternative life and sharing it with the world.
❤️
I would not put my life in the hands of Lagoon, and fully trust their advice. I assume of course that you make your own assessment, but you are going to sail through maybe the toughest leg in a circumnavigation. I know others who have had trouble with their sailboat (not the same issues as you) and where the husband has sailed the boat with some skilled crew to South Africa and the wife has travelled with the kids by plane. In your situation, given the information you provide in the videos, I would not take the risk and sail with the whole family - as you have said earlier - it is almost impossible to evacuate with the kids. Anyway, I wish you the best - whatever you choose to do - and I admire your guts and choice of lifestyle.
Hey guys, I know the Seychelles are a bit expensive but Please do not let Lagoon tell you what you want/need to hear. I worked as a technical supervisor for years and I can tell you the mfg. will slide you around to get you to convince yourself to accept what "THEY" want you to hear and do. For what its worth, it is my contention that your boat would be very dangerous to continue sailing in its current state. If you are going to make any type of repairs u should do it right by leveling and glassing in the B/H. Then you are safe to continue on to SA and finish up the cosmetics once you arrive.
I know what you are going through on the emotional side of your wants/needs and desires, I learned the hard way that you should always do what is needed first to be safe as the sea can be unforgiving. These are just my thoughts and the final decision is yours but remember that better boats than yours have tempted fate and lost. In any event, good luck and my offer still stands!!🤩👍👍⛵🛠
As a sailor for decades, having an engineering background, and paper knowledge of the waters you want to sail ( as they are on our agenda) I would strongly suggest you make serious reinforcements before leaving safe waters. Ones this goes wrong there’s no stopping. Lagoon can not say it’s safe and will wave responsibility to you. If what they say is correct it doesn’t hurt to reinforce. If they are wrong… it’ll safe your life.
You take any plastic and bent it a few times… it looks okay. Now bent it 1000 times as that’s what each wave does. Eventually it will snap.
Make sure you’re safe, we love you too much!
great wisdom..
Please listen to this man!
*save not safe
Bend not bent
Just to help your English 👍🏻
That’s waive responsibility. Not 👋.
@@gatecrasherkz7 Perhaps you have never use auto correct or have intuitive writing on. Often people that do not see well, or those that do not proof read post mistakes. It's really arrogant and shallow of you to call attention to it in public. Blowing out someone else's candle does not make yours look brighter. It just makes you look like a petty bully.
It seems that there should be a class action lawsuit against Lagoon. What I've seen is on multiple boats of theirs is scary. While those bulkheads may not be structural, the movement is indication of a much deeper problem. Good luck.
I totally zgree with you. It looks like this problem is endemic through the entire range of Lagoons and the company needs to be held to account..
You should haul out and repair the bulkheads before continuing your journey. Parley Revival had the same issues and although he went overboard on some of the repairs, he has laid out the foundation of how to repair the Lagoon Bulkhead issues. Lagoon even flew him to their headquarters to discuss what he did to straighten his hulls and repair / strengthen the bulkheads. I'm thinking that you have probably watched some of his repair videos. If not, you should.. LAST is you should think about "What Could Happen" if you're making passage and get caught in rough seas with the boat in it's current condition.. Is it really worth taking the chance?? My comments are from "an old Boatie" to wonderful family.. Fair winds and I hope all works out..
Agreed Pat. Everyone now knows there's a problem..... or two. With a compromised hull, playing a what if game is a must. Can the current integrity of the boat be counted on during the next part of your journey? When will current issues begin to impact structure? The risk/benefit is screaming hard here. It's not about the scary possibilities we know, it's about all those we don't.
Seems to me the logical next move before hauling the boat is to pull the paneling around the forward bulkhead and see if you can see any cracking, de-lamination or bending of the structural bulkhead. Parlay has posted step by step instructions on how to inspect your bulkheads. I'm sure its a little different than the 450 but generally the same process. I'm guessing when you view your bulkheads it will look just like all the 450s that had issues and that would just confirm the need to haul out and fix the issue before continuing on. Remember Lagoon initially told all the 450 owners it "wasn't structural" too.
Exactly. This is Lagoon's fault IMHO. They failed to properly secure the bulkheads to "save money for themselves". You can repair this but you have to repair and inspect all of the bulkheads. I expected many more Lagoons to suffer from this same issue. I agree 100% with Patrick. Do not sail this boat any further. It is just a dirty, dusty, and sticky repair. Good luck. FYI I am a retired P. Eng..
love seeing your family each week. Concerning Lagoon if they confirm it's safe to cross to Africa as is then let them have a crew do it! Plus it could be a great publicity for them taking care of the owner's!
Great suggestion, Dianne.👌🌟
I too am Canadian and am glad you are home. You two make me nervous sailing with your little ones. I think that is the grandpa in me.
I've watched you guys since you purchased Nahoa and wish you all the best with whatever you decide to do.But if it was me I personally would not continue with the boat until hauled out and inspected and repaired I just hope Lagoon end up in the long run standing by there product and a viable solution is reached between you both.
Exactly my sentiment. word for word. You two would be safer sailing that Boler to Africa!
Don’t believe them when they say it’s not structural, look at the other Lagoons that have structural problems with bulkheads - it makes sense that it’s structural and that’s why your rigging is leaning
The issue Id have with Lagoon giving you the go ahead to keep sailing for South Africa the way the boat is, is that when there is a structural issue unattended (and this is definitely a structural issue) - the boat will keep getting worse . It should be sorted before you leave even if you want to enhance the fix further in South Africa.
What I really liked about a Leopard I recently saw with separated bulkheads is that the company immediately came forward to do the fix. There was no need for a ‘social media dance’ to deal with and no long explanations - Leopard simply did the fix and that speaks volumes . Guys , truly hope they do the right thing for you 👍
You guys were my first sailing channel that I ever found over 2.5 years ago, and the inspiration behind us making our financial life goal to buy a boat and cruise with our daughter within the next 5 years. I love that you keep your channel realistic and almost bluntly clear as to the realities of boat life and the challenges you can face, not just the glamorous sandy beaches and freediving on reefs. You show the interaction with cultures and the human aspect, and what it’s like to raise children out there. Here’s to Willa’s immunotherapy going well - we use the same exact immunotherapy process in VetMed for severe canine allergies and it works wonders. You guys are in our thoughts and I know you’ve got this. NO GIVING UP THE BOAT. You’re not done yet!
Thanks for those words. This is exactly our goal with this channel. Transparency of what this life entails. There are high highs but also lows. Wouldn’t have it any other way. We have fundamentally changed as humans since setting sail. Our perspective of the world has evolved and broadened. There will always be a boat in our life. We will always be next to the ocean. This particular boat will be fixed and We will circumnavigate. Would have never thought when we left 7 years ago that this is where we would be at. Pretty amazing sharing on UA-cam and connecting and sharing the world as we see it. 😊
If the bulkhead is non structural that something else that should be structural is not doing its job properly. Just enforcing this bulkhead might hide underlying structural issues.
Unless you're 100% sure that this is not just general increased flex in the materials in the boat I wouldn't cross an ocean unless I find the source of the trouble and fix that. I hope Lagoon will help you find the source of the flex.
Stay safe and enjoy the journey!
So glad to see your posting today. I had serious concerns, especially with the little ones on board. I knew you two would do what's safe, but I felt your pain at the potential of the problem to stop your circumnavigation in it's tracks. As a fellow Canadian I'm rooting hard for you. It's good to see you working through the real life situations that need to be solved when choosing the mobile lifestyle and raising a family, particularly on a sailboat. David
All the best to you as you work thru these complex details and important decisions.
And......don't take your young family out on that boat.
I haven't rolled in the grass since a child, but after this video had a sudden desire to do so.....
Enjoy your recharge time, looks spectacular environment.
Guys, I am concerned about the structural integrity of your L410. I know f a 410 that arrived in the Gold Coast QLD with the same creaking and moving furniture elements, doors etc. after a rough passage from Noumea. A Surveyor examined the boat and after consulting Lagoon, was told the same story that the boat was structurally OK and was just "settling". A multihull builder examined the boat and called BS on the Lagoon diagnosis. The owners were persuaded to allow a semi invasive examination, and I've seen the photos of the main bulkhead, the mast bulkhead, with two large and long splits running vertically from the bridgedeck, and the tabbing broken along the bridgedeck-bulkhead junction. And I know the builder who diagnosed it and fixed it. The boat was straightened (similar to Parlay) and the bulkheads were properly glassed in and reinforced.
You can get an endoscope camera with 5 meters of fiber optic cable that displays on your iPhone or iPad, or Android device, and you can drill a 5mm hole to poke it in and have a look at what's happening.
It makes no sense that the boat is out of alignment athartships, or "settled", if the bulkheads are all attached where they should be, everywhere. Please, don't fall prey to wishful thinking, be damned sure the boat is structurally sound before you cross oceans. Suggest you Talk to boat yards that can do restorations and major structural work, and who have multihull knowledge if at all possible.
Wishing you all the best!
I have to agree. Once lagoon signs off.. it then on the owner... Scary
I am no expert, but it seems to me that if any 'settling' is to happen, it would have happened years ago and no longer be a problem now. This does not seem like settling, this seems like a failure in the way it was designed/built. As a mom and grandma (Oma) myself, please make the safest decision possible on this. I enjoyed seeing the mountain scenes. Beautiful country up in Canada! Love you guys! ❤️
@@donnakawana Lagoon is responsible and they should eat the cost. People will not buy any Lagoon boats if they do not take responsibility for this and fixed it and make it better than it was too satisfied to their buyers, clients, customers whatever they call you. instead of Lagoon giving suggestions they need to eat the cost and fix it at no cost to you.
@@thayward65 yep, they're now renowned for dodgy bulkheads, it's more common than people are aware.
I don’t have the background, but I’m a parent. I totally agree with the above opinion.
I first found you when you were living on a tiny sailboat in BC and have followed your adventures since. I so admire you and your way of dealing with all the ups and downs.
Good to see you're hanging in there and great Lagoon are supporting you.
ok, here's the deal.....things only break for one of 2 reasons : they get hit-banged crushed whatever = IMPACT....or they are not strong enuff to resist the existing stresses and they break-fracture.....your problems are the result of the second reason obviously.....the REAL issue is that when things break, ALL of that stress is then transferred to the NEXT area in line to take that existing stress, which loads THAT area more than it was probably designed for......what to do ? you only have 2 options : fix the boat and make it STRONGER than it was, (it broke so it was NOT strong enuff), or sell it as is, probably for little. Only you can decide that.....I would be taking whatever Lagoon says with a POUND of salt Ben..........the portside hull must be taking on water if it's down........OnWard....
Ben, I was a structural Engineer for 40 years. I also watched Parlay do the proper repair to mak their boat stronger than when it came from the factory. The deck must be leveled and both hulls brought to their level position before any bonding or repairs started. Contact Parlay and talk with the Captain before you start on your repair. Also don't give up on the Lagoon Corp.
We've been following this issue with Lagoon for awhile now...I'm shocked they would tell you it's not structural, because pretty sure it is. I would definitely not risk it with my family. Stay safe folks.
Very very relieved that Lagoon is stepping up. My hope is that they stay in it until its fixed or replaced. For the world to regain some semblance of health, companies need to do the right thing. Lagoon did not foresee these problems so I am not faulting them on that. Its the actions after, that tell us what their boats are really made out of. Hopefully, integrity. I love seeing Canada with you! Wish I lived there!
After having several complaints they should have recalled them and fix the issues. There are sp many complaints about the bulkheads on a few of their models they need to do a recall. People's lives are at risk. Fix them before serious injury or death happens. Swallow your pride Lagoon and fix these boats not just make suggestions.
I agree with Tom - pull the covers off both bulkheads and inspect them.
An engineer would be crazy to sign off on you making that passage without approved repairs. I certainly wouldn't want 4 people's lives on the line if I wasn't absolutely certain that they would be safe. May Neptune watch over your family.
I'm glad you guys are getting support from Lagoon. As a non youtuber Lagoon 440 owner, Lagoon has been extremely difficult to get in touch with. I am hauled out at a Lagoon service center with non-structural bulkheads that have separated in similar manner to yours. And even the OFFICIAL SERVICE CENTER has not been able to reach someone who can help us. Like you guys, we are just looking for advice/repair instructions. I'm not asking for a "warranty" on my 18 year old boat. I just want the builders of my boat to tell me what to do, what to cut and what to reinforce. Very frustrating.
Lagoons are far more solid of boats than people give them credit for. I have sailed this boat over 2600nm in all types of conditions. It's very likely I had loose floor bulkheads the entire time and the boat still held. And my structural bulkheads are still solid as a rock.
2600 nm?! im sorry thats fuck all. stop adding to the problem and saying things like lagoon are solid boats, its people who make them weak apparently! ffs,
Lookup sailing parlay revival he doubt with lagoon and fix the problem
Thank you for the update. The stress is real! Can you travel the distance with a buddy boat for peace of mind? Wishing you all the best and sending you huge hugs from Ontario, Canada♥
I'm starting to think Lagoon's are the Bayliner of the sailing world. Please stay safe and don't let Lagoon give you a band-aid solution. Anyone with any bit of engineering can tell it's serious. You are going to be going through some dangerous sailing on your way to Madagascar. Personally I would leave your kids in Canada for that crossing. Please safe, I have been following you for a few years and love you and your family.
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I agree! We sailed from south Africa to Mauritious and it was very hairy weather.
Dude now that this has become a big thing anyone with a CAT is looking into it regardless of manufacture. A lot of manufactures actually are having the exact same issue. It’s that horrible glued wood. I’m glad they are starting to introduce carbon fiber CATS!!!!!!
@@Trashpanda_404 Sorry to disagree but NOT a lot of cat manufacturers are having the same exact problem and have glued in thin plywood bulkheads like Lagoon. We have an FP Orana and all our bulkheads are thick and glassed into the hulls everywhere. We get none of the creaking that all these Lagoons are getting. It’s a Lagoon specific problem. Just saying.
I would definitely do the same. Even when it will be hard to be away from your kids for that long, in a long run I would feel much safer without kids on the board on this already nerve wracking crossing. If shit hits the fan, then atleast all you would have to worry is how to keep yourself safe on a dinghy.
When I watched the video showing the bulkhead and the flexing, my immediate impression is that you have a major structural break possibly under the bridge deck or at hull bridge deck connection or the structural tubes connecting the hulls. Now that you mention leaning rigging, it further suggests a significant structural break. Now other members of the structure are forced to carry the loads of the broken members causing them to flex. This overload and flexing will lead to further breaking and eventual total failure in a seaway. Disclaimer, I am not a navel architect or marine engineer. I wouldn't sail that boat until it has a thorough going over and repair. Don't be a Sailing Zingaro.
You have the prettiest kids. They are such sweet-natured children. Everything happens for a reason and I know you'll make the right decisions. I keep you all in my heart and prayers. I'm in North Central WA State...near the Canadian border. We are neighbors right now! I love the polite Canadians and all that gorgeous countryside. Take care and I wish you the very best with your boat.
Poseidon giving you a hint to your question should we give up on the boat. Seattle down and rise the two beautiful children. Grandma is smiling reading this comment.
Speaking of allergies, rolling in the grass would trigger one for me (yes i'm allergic to grass lawns and sports fields)
I was part of the trial for the allergy desensitisation back in the early 1990's it worked for all my many allergies, for a few years, then I had my immune system crash from other illness that caused chronic fatigue, after that it was all reset and all my allergies returned, I could have gone through the desensitisation again but didn't bother because it takes so long and can be undone so quickly.
Be aware that the desensitisation is not permanent, any severe illness can undo it.
That is a lot of movement for bulkhead. Are there cracks on the hull? Looks to be rig compression. Just think of having to jump into a life raft in the middle of the night with two babies in a storm! Send Ben and and a hired crew to deliver the boat! Ash and kids take the plane. 17 year old boat with countless miles at sea call your insurance company and go buy a newer boat. You can replace a boat you can't replace a life!
I am not a boat person but you guys are! You are very experienced and it seems your gut is telling you this damage is structural/unsafe. Canada is a beautiful wonderful country. It's been an honor watching your beautiful family grow.
Guys I bought my leopard 40 in the Seychelles in June 15 in the Seychelles and we sailed down to the bottom of Mozambique where I sailed for 5 years going up and down the channel and then 2 years ago right up to the top of Kenya and down to Rbay for a haul out then Cape Town. You can get good weather to sail as is down to Rbay but it will not be in one leg. You will need to do multiple legs with stops particularly in summer. My advice is to avoid southerlies as they bring the storms and the worst weather. This is mainly why when you see a southerly forecast it’s best to be tucked in and safe for it to pass then head south after it again.
Hi guys. I see lots of advice which I am sure is annoying but to cut to the chase. From a structural engineer and 44 ft cat owner your symptoms are early stages of Parley Rival (Abeit not as bad) The reason why your rig cants to port is because the starboard hull is rising. Ie the two hulls are starting to bow upwards when looking at the crossection of the boat. The only proper fix is to support the deck so the hulls drop and reinforce the bulkheads. That’s a no BS answer from an Aussie and yes I did check my boat this year for the same thing. Sorry but hope that helps
Its good to see you home safe, getting Willa the attention she needs. Either the boat is solid to sail or not that is the question.
I love you guys. Been going through a rough patch in my life but your videos always bring me joy. Thank you for what you do. Wishing the best for your family and the journey ahead. You guys have massive support for us.
Take care and good luck with the boat - be safe!
Good to see you are recharging your batteries. I don't know you at all . But you have two growing children and in a tiny boat out in the middle of an ocean. Growing children need variety ,space and growing. It's not just the two of you anymore. If my children were young and they might have health issues that might be a life or death issue I would consider them before a life in a boat. I say that because i've been a parent and two little babies need more space then a tiny boat with less space than a tiny garage. So weigh out the pros and cons. Put the children first in your decisions . Good luck .
Welcome to my world, guys! After twenty+ years of challenges, I'm finally (touch wood) climbing out of the mire. It may require a few radiical and life-changing decisions but you'll come through it, so don't despair. Love and best.
PS, We're following you on to boat life... wish us luck!
Glad to see you getting a refresh! Hope the repairs go well and you can be off to the next thing!
Fair winds. It's good that the builder is available to advise you.
I’ve done immunotherapy for pollen and it worked well for me! Hope it will help Willa too
As a boat builder and a skipper of motor yachts this is a huge problem and a massive fix just look at Parlay I wish you all the best love your show never miss it.
Very glad to see your awareness that you needed a mental break to find perspectives, advice, and even perhaps resolve. It looks like your trip home helped with that.
Looking forward to your future adventures. Regardless what they are.
Was für ein tolles Bild! Ich bin immer noch an den Anfängen eurer videos von vor 4 Jahren, ich will ja die ganze Geschichte nachvollziehen können....:) Super das ihr die Schadensliste eingestellt habt , so bestehen doch gute Chancen das euch noch jemand Anderes hilft! Wish you all a wonderful time at home in Canada 😘
It clearly is blended inner structural. Have it fixed and reinforced for added piece of mind, healthy mental health!! Love the straight hair Ash!!👍
Do the string test on the floors and see if there is any deflection. That will let you know if anything has moved and you need to be concerned about.
I've been watching you all for a few years now since before Willa was born. I pray they fix you're home nohoa, it would not be the same without it. May the Lord continue to bless your journey amen
Wow... Y'all are so transparent and forthright. No bs. ♥️
Buy a flexible camera wand. Get into all the hidden hull parts with the boat on the water. Inspect every inch of every bulk head.
The boat can be twisted and not have the mains separated...as you are describing with the mast leaning. Twisting is far more damaging because it loads the connection node in all directions.
I'd probably pull the boat and repair it where it is.
Yes very interested in the structural rehab. I hope you will consider a very heavy duty plan B and a plan C.
Don’t sail until you have confidence in the structure!!
Well documented report (in my non-boat expert opinion, though I am an aerospace engineer). In particular excellent job identifying the location *and* orientation of the photos.
The one thing I would possibly suggest is putting a ruler next to the cracks to make it easier to determine size. If a ruler isn’t available, a common object (such as a coin) can also be used.
Wow you guys look... decompressed I guess is the best way to say it. As you know I agree YOU NEEDED THIS BREAK! Godspeed.
Totally agree, it has to be structural. It was said that the rig was leaning to Port because the port hull had dropped, that doesn't make sense. It would be leaning to Port because the starboard hull is lifted!! Measure the span from keel to keel. I'll bet it is over width because the bulkheads have let go.
In one of Sailing Parlay’s videos Colin shows the forehead bulkhead which is the main bulkhead and there is a trim piece leading into one of the forward cabins that is glued on but can be removed allowing you to view the structural bulkhead for flexing or damage.
I have been a super fan of this channel and Ben and Ashley come across like really good people but man oh man!...I think Ben is failing to see how difficult life is with kids on Ashley and now having the issues with the boat I would reconsider going back out. Regardless, I wish Nahoa the best of luck
happy family with your journey. I remember the first time I discovered your channel back in 2018. I was a first-year college student and I just finished my Bachelor of Science in Marine Transportation. I saw the same people, same vibes, and never changed. I wish I could have a boat like you, Guiz, and sail with my family someday
A good basic owners report which the builders [including the designers] should comment on and suggest repairs. I strongly advise you to also send the builder's report to a marine surveyor/naval architect who has experience and reputation especially when dealing with Lagoon Catamarans. This surveyor is working for you and it is his legal responsibility to best advise you on the suggested reasons of failure and repairs. Trust your surveyor's advice, he is YOUR champion and knows much more than owners do and will fight if required with the builders without raising your stress and worry levels. The initial cost should be low but will guide your future plans for the boat. The main costs will come when the interior parts need removed for full inspection of all main and secondary structural components. This will be essential before any repairs are started. With my 50 years experience of designing, building and surveying small craft, from what you have shown and said, the warning bells are ringing loudly. Think safety first and protect your investment with a professional.
Cath and I have watched you from the start. Have always admired your openness, honesty and integrity. Your ability to adjust and cope with many (not always easy) situations) is so wondeful. We are very concerned for you and trust you will heed all the advice given from what to us seems like knowledgeable people. Every one with your best interest at heart. We love you and your family and can only hope your usual tenacity and wisdom will pays off so you can continue (at some point) to follow your dreams in safety. Glad the Therapy for Willa is being sorted too. Must be a releif. You all looking well anyway so the break away on home territory has done you good. All the best from Wales.
Ashley your hair looks great! You both look rested and lighthearted. I’m ready to see Madagascar with you. Safe travels.
We love our country! Canada. Nature heals. Sitting by the bay as the rain falls, a dip in the water, sheds away the stress. The trees, the rocks, lakes, oceans, birds, land and marine animals support us and draw us from the stress of becoming. So happy to hear you love Canada, this land and our people. Please trust your gut, do your research. With clear minds repair your vessel so that it is safe for Bodhi and Willa. Glad you are taking care of your mental health. Love your honesty in this video.
Sailing Parley and Colin put so much effort into repairing their Lagoon bulkheads. Not only splitting at joint but also buckled/broken in the panels. I hope you have an engineer review the damage and approve your solutions. Pieces of metal across the joint seem insufficient.
Yeah, that's crazy to me
Wish you all the best of luck on the boat repairs.
After watching Parley Revival level their hulls on the hard (caused by structural failure),I don’t believe Lagoon.if your bulkhead isn’t structural then why is your hull leaning?? I love you guys and your adventures and just want you to be safe!!
Wishing you all the best
Fair winds ⛵️
It is 100% our responsibility to ensure nahoa is seaworthy before we set sail.
Thank you for mentioning them because I watch them too and I've been watching Ben and Ashley for longer than them of course but I could not believe the extent of what he had to do to make that Sailing Boat actually safe again thank you for mentioning this God bless
I completely agree with Tom here. If it isn't structural, why is your rigging leaning...? Lagoon is trying to not have another "450 fiasco" on their hands and frankly they're playing a dangerous game saying things like this. I'd say the structural engineers are not accounting for what a world traveler is needing vs a Caribbean / Mediterranean Cruiser. The coastal cruisers may not need the same structural reinforcements as the world travelers. Odd to think in terms of Coastal Cruiser vs Blue Water when it comes to a catamaran, but that is what it seems to come down to. Ocean travel is much different than the Med or cruising the BVI's.
Just glad you're SAFE... Godspeed Folks.
If it isn't structural, it shouldn't be under ANY load! The question therefore begs... what state are the structural elements in?!! Clearly they have failed and Lagoon's dismissal of this issue is deeply worrying. They are placing yours' and others' lives at risk by ignoring what is clearly a serious structural failure.
All this said, a Lagoon would certainly not be my personal choice for global ocean cruising, and this is a timely reminder to all that if you buy a vessel that's primarily built for coastal leisure cruising, you're better sticking with that remit. There's a reason sailors refer to "blue water" sailboats...
@@Barbreck1 I agree, if a non-structural component is now carrying load that means that a structural component is failing.
Also, Ben & Ashley just referred to a different Lagoon 410 that had steel plates installed on the affected bulkhead. This doesn't make sense....if that bulkhead is non-structural then the repairs aren't applied in the correct location.
I think you need to find the main structure and the primary point of failure and work out from there.
Great to see you safe in Canada! And your children are fantastic !
Excellent reporting of the issues. Here’s hoping lagoon come to the party and get this sorted for the safety of you and your young family. Love to you all, safe travels and keep living the dream some of us can’t at this point ❤️
Always nice to come back home to recharge mind, body, and soul. I watch a lot of these sailing channels. Been wondering about long term quality of Lagoon boats?
We can't wait to have you guys here in South Africa 🇿🇦
Those are some fantastic moments with the kids. Enjoy because they grow SO fast!
I am always so inspired by your journey! Thanks for sharing!
Good update. Thanks very much. FYI - SV Skylark Amel 54, cruised down the west coast of Madescar. They found some great places to anchor. Check out their UA-cam feed.
We are watching you, guys, for a long time. I was worried about your boat situation, especially when your children were on board. Thank you very much for your update. I wish you a happy resolve the Lagoon problem. Please, continue to make videos. We love you, guys!
You look so great and relaxed. Clearly aa excellent break for your family as you prepare for your Africa leg of this amazing lap.
You look so pretty Ashley! Glad you guys are taking some time at home and recharging💗
Good luck guys. Ashley your hair looks beautiful. Be safe.
Hi guy's great to see you back home , enjoying our great back yard. You should CHECK OUT LIFE ON THE HULLS . He is building a cat From Scratch. right from the mold and gelcoat, he shows how to glass in bulkheads from hull to finished wall. It IS NOT HARD just a bit time consuming and dealing with heat and fumes is the worst of it. Because glass and resin cure quickly you can get a lot done, especially as you can start on one hull and while that cures you can be in the other hull working on it. You should be able to bring glass and resin from Canada with you so it is not as expensive as in the Seychelles. CHEERS AND SAFE TRAVELS Steve h.
Take care guys! Maybe take on some extra crew to have some extra hands on this passage with the kids and help with handling the boat. Rooting for you from Nova Scotia!
I’m glad you guys are recharging at Birkenhead it’s my recharge place. I live in Pemberton and have a cabin at the opposite end of the lake. Enjoy your recharge and can’t wait for the next video.
I’m glad that it sounds as if it isn’t a really big issue!! I hope you and your family make it to your next destination but definitely think about it really hard and I would definitely get more than one opinion if one says that it will be safe crossing to your next destination!! I no that you and your wife take big precautions and make sure everything is safe for traveling!! If it was me and they said it would be safe to make it to your next destination I would definitely be asking if there is anything that a person can do to help it to not flex as much or something for a temporary fix just to no that you have done something to help slow down the issue with the boat!!! Hopefully that makes sense to you??!!! Lol!! It was definitely nice to hear from you and your family and that you had made it back home to take care of a few things at home and give you some time to research the issue more on the boat!!! Awesome video and I definitely hope that you and your family will get to continue on your trip and remember keep up all the hard work buddy!! Oh and when mom was asking the little one if it was fun rolling in the grass and mom says it’s ok you can say yes it was fun as the little one say yaaa kinda slowly as if she wasn’t so sure about that at all!! Lol!! That was so cute!!!
Well done get the boat seen too and someone to check out the boat.
Ashley your hair looks lovely down...Ben nice high and tight haircut. Great you two review and rethinking the bulkhead issue. Packing horses and miles in Montana those ice cold baths were painful when it was snow a few hours before. Stay safe.
Thank you for the update. You'll make the right decision. Gotta love Canada eh!. Much love from Hope, B. C.
If the bulkhead is meant to provide any kind of water-tightness, above, or below the floor, it is now fully compromised. Not to mention the structural compromise. It's just not safe to sale in that condition, whatever the manufacturer may say about it, and the insurance...
That’s up to you and the safety of your kids…
So glad they are helping you guys out. Cheers family. Great episode. Ben for the win jumping into that ice cold water. I bet the Coronas weren’t the only things cold. 😂
BEST news is recharge take care of yourselves and then get back, fight the boat repair battle as needed and fix the boat and get out and sail!
Thank you for sharing your story and bringing so much positivity and light to your viewers.
Thank you for the updates! Love seeing the whole family, healthy and happy together!
Look there's a lagoon 450 2018 for sale in Fiji almost new! (Nautilus yatch management Aug. 8) maybe?
South Africa has great facilities to do repairs. If you can make it to Richards Bay then that would be a good place to do the necessary repairs at a reasonable cost. I am from Cape Town but now live in Cairns Australia. Ill be back in Cape Town in late Jan 23 for a wedding so if you are around it would be awesome to catch up!
Good Luck, hope it all gets fixed.
What a life!!! You're awesome parents and its so great for the kids to be exposed to all that beauty and nature....just wow.....enjoy this life and show the kiddos what this world is all about. Not sure about others, but we are very jelly watching your travels and adventures.....please dont stop and keep em coming!!!
Just a few heartfelt comments I want to make. Dearest Ash, your hair looks beautiful!! And dearest Ben thank you for sharing the washing of your pits. 😜 Willa and Bodhi are the cutest little explorers ever 💖💙. No comments on the boat. You have plenty of those. Hugs from Texas sweeties 😎
Welcome Home.
It's nice to have you in BC again. Will you have a chance to tour the Okanagan this time - you are always welcome here!
We know the boat will get sorted out - with the help of many - - that's what you do!
Glad to know your boat will not sink. Be safe and I will be watching what happens. Keep positive and things will be okay. Much prayers for all of you for your safe travels. Love Canada 🇨🇦. I am part Canadian too.
There is a book called Fiberglass Boats by Hugo du Plessis and in it is a chapter called how fiberglass fails and one of the reasons is movement or better repeated movement. What you are seeing with the centre bulkhead is a symptom of a larger problem with the actual structural bulkheads.
My admiration! What a courageous couple!