Paper filter - Pros: it is less likely to let particulate through than foam and is disposable. Cons: in really dusty environments (group off road rides) it packs with particulates more quickly cutting airflow, cannot be cleaned, a spare takes more space in my pack and if it gets wet in a water crossing it can blow out. I like running the stock paper filter with the foam Powerparts pre filter combo. Best of both worlds!
Definitely go for the foam filter. Better yet, get the Rottweiler power plate pre-filter, then you can still run the OEM paper filter. Block off/plug those drain caps in the bottom. Ton of dust gets through them.
Good feedback, thanks for commenting. Rotweiller makes excellent products and I have used many of their products in the past with good results. 👍 Excellent idea! Here is the link to this product: www.rottweilerperformance.com/rottweiler-performance-ktm-790-890-adventure-hqv-901-norden-power-plate-elite-edition/ I actually just purchased one and will do a video on the install, I like that you can still run the paper filter and the prefilter appears very easy to clean and service. My only concern would be water intake during the winter months when it is wet all the time here in Oregon, easy to convert back if you change your mind but would need to leave 4 screws in air box or plug with silicone if you go back. Perhaps they will make an Outwears cover for the foam which would solve the water problem.
You do it quite right and well John. Nice overview. I suppose I run in similar environment as I had limited dust as well and relatively clean after a year and ~8000km. Will stick with paper as well. Cheers from Quebec, Allan.
Hi Allan! Thanks for commenting and your kind words, always good to hear from my brother down in Quebec! Good to hear that your filter and intake are looking good as well. The paper is just so easy to maintain with no fuss and if it gets the job done, stick with it! You are getting some miles on your 890, nice work!
KTM power parts offer a foam filter from the dealership so the MAS is not an issue. Beware of some of the after market foam filters, the twin air filter I had did not have a very good seal to the air box, just a tiny rubber strip. Got a funnel web now which has a very good greaseable seal. The power parts one looks good as well. If you ride in dusty conditions with other bikes it is no contest…foam. Cheers.
I think the biggest advantage of a foam and oil is if you doing lots of water Crossings and you do take a swim you've got an opportunity to wring out the water dry the filter out the best you can and then re soak it down with oil if you've got someone to just have some 30 weight motor oil or whatever to get you through in a pinch where on a paper filter when it gets wet it's pretty much shot the very nice video thank you
In the hope that you will even read this or respond to, here is what is being said by a KTM mechanic. Have you had any of these problems? From a Forum '' 790/890 issues and why do we still buy them?'' KTMs are what they are: incredibly well-engineered bikes that work amazingly…when they work. Some work longer than others. Despite a few niggles like airbox sealing, air filter access (fixed on the new design), and fuel pumps, that 1090/1190/1290 platform is a solid bike. I’d have no issues putting my money down on one. The 790/890 on the other hand is a pile of garbage. The list of problems I’ve seen on these bikes is a mile long and growing by the day. - premature valve wear - premature cam wear - immobilizer failures - brake failures - rear shock failures - countershaft seal failures - coolant leaks - clutch lubrication issues - TFT display failures - Fuel tank venting issues - Fuel pump issues - Debris in fuel tanks - Single-cylinder startup problem that still has no cure - Cold-start issues - Airbox sealing issues - Numerous software problems (MTC failures, intermittent cruise control failures, ABS failures) If you’re one of those guys who reads this post and says “I’ve had a 790 for XXXXX-thousand kms and have never had an issue” then good for you, count yourself lucky. After working on dozens of KTM P-Twin bikes that have come through my shop and speaking to the owners of many more, I can name only one that didn’t have at least two of the problems on that list. It’s a great piece of design that was utterly ruined by corporate structuring…built to a price, not to a spec. It’s still riding the wave of being the best reviewed bike (reviews where editors ride carefully-prepped bikes for one or two days then give them back) in what it arguably the hottest segment in motorcycling right now. Mark my words gentlemen…once that hype fades away, a few years go by, and reality sets in, the first-gen KTM P-Twin WILL be remembered as one of the all-time biggest lemons in motorcycling.
I just picked up an 890R a week ago, unfortunately only have had a chance to put 30 miles on it. I would think the foam filter would be a good choice if a lot of water crossings were involved and with the chance of falling over in water?
Congratulations! Great choice, you will love the 890! I agree, if you are doing a lot of water crossings with a chance of falling over, I would opt for the foam filter. Yesterday I was looking at the foam filter choices and there are more choices now for foam even than when I purchased my UNI filter. Some looked easier to clean as the foam was removable from the frame. Twin Air had one that looked like it would work well.
I ordered 23 890 and never owned adventure bike. When cleaning my 350, I always remove the seat and take off air filter & replace it with a sealed plastic cover so no water goes in air intake. Is that not a concern for this bike or other adventure bikes? Are those snorkels so far back and protected that water can’t enter? I looked for covers online and didn’t see anything. Sorry prolly stupid question but all I’ve ever known is dirt bikes and a xs750 triple in the late 80s😂
1,400 miles, 70 to 80 percent dirt and gravel roads, but a lot of it was in the rainy winter. However, on my last ride, most of it was on dusty gravel roads and I ate dust for about 4 hours so it was a good test! It was good to see that the paper element kept i take clean. I'll keep watching it to see how it does over the summer. My 790 did well with paper in summer riding though now that I think back. Happy riding!
@@oregonmotojohn 1,400 miles on mine too, but probably less than 200 of which is dirt. I just looked at my factory paper filter for the first time. Clean as a whistle. Puts some grease around the edge and closed it back up. I also installed the UNI pre-filter socks on the snorkels. Now that I am done, I am wondering if those pre-oiled socks will cause more harm than good as they may clog much more rapidly in such a small space. It guess I will just have to monitor.
@@bva8252 Awesome, nice work checking into things to see how they look. Good job with adding some grease as extra protection. I had the same concerns with the small snorkels and then filling them with foam. Ride the bike, see if you notice any change in throttle response and if you do, I would take them out. However, if you ride the bike and all seems like business as usual, then I would leave them in and check now and then as you mentioned to be sure they are reasonably clean. You have a good game plan!
Paper filter - Pros: it is less likely to let particulate through than foam and is disposable. Cons: in really dusty environments (group off road rides) it packs with particulates more quickly cutting airflow, cannot be cleaned, a spare takes more space in my pack and if it gets wet in a water crossing it can blow out. I like running the stock paper filter with the foam Powerparts pre filter combo. Best of both worlds!
Definitely go for the foam filter. Better yet, get the Rottweiler power plate pre-filter, then you can still run the OEM paper filter. Block off/plug those drain caps in the bottom. Ton of dust gets through them.
Good feedback, thanks for commenting. Rotweiller makes excellent products and I have used many of their products in the past with good results. 👍 Excellent idea! Here is the link to this product: www.rottweilerperformance.com/rottweiler-performance-ktm-790-890-adventure-hqv-901-norden-power-plate-elite-edition/
I actually just purchased one and will do a video on the install, I like that you can still run the paper filter and the prefilter appears very easy to clean and service.
My only concern would be water intake during the winter months when it is wet all the time here in Oregon, easy to convert back if you change your mind but would need to leave 4 screws in air box or plug with silicone if you go back. Perhaps they will make an Outwears cover for the foam which would solve the water problem.
Nice video, good information, and easy steps, thank you for the time to make this kind of video , Have a great day too. Nuevo Leon Mexico
You do it quite right and well John. Nice overview. I suppose I run in similar environment as I had limited dust as well and relatively clean after a year and ~8000km. Will stick with paper as well. Cheers from Quebec, Allan.
Hi Allan! Thanks for commenting and your kind words, always good to hear from my brother down in Quebec! Good to hear that your filter and intake are looking good as well. The paper is just so easy to maintain with no fuss and if it gets the job done, stick with it! You are getting some miles on your 890, nice work!
Hi can you tell me the name of your add on's above the tank bulges body panels
KTM power parts offer a foam filter from the dealership so the MAS is not an issue. Beware of some of the after market foam filters, the twin air filter I had did not have a very good seal to the air box, just a tiny rubber strip. Got a funnel web now which has a very good greaseable seal. The power parts one looks good as well. If you ride in dusty conditions with other bikes it is no contest…foam. Cheers.
I think the biggest advantage of a foam and oil is if you doing lots of water Crossings and you do take a swim you've got an opportunity to wring out the water dry the filter out the best you can and then re soak it down with oil if you've got someone to just have some 30 weight motor oil or whatever to get you through in a pinch where on a paper filter when it gets wet it's pretty much shot the very nice video thank you
In the hope that you will even read this or respond to, here is what is being said by a KTM mechanic. Have you had any of these problems? From a Forum '' 790/890 issues and why do we still buy them?''
KTMs are what they are: incredibly well-engineered bikes that work amazingly…when they work. Some work longer than others.
Despite a few niggles like airbox sealing, air filter access (fixed on the new design), and fuel pumps, that 1090/1190/1290 platform is a solid bike. I’d have no issues putting my money down on one.
The 790/890 on the other hand is a pile of garbage. The list of problems I’ve seen on these bikes is a mile long and growing by the day.
- premature valve wear
- premature cam wear
- immobilizer failures
- brake failures
- rear shock failures
- countershaft seal failures
- coolant leaks
- clutch lubrication issues
- TFT display failures
- Fuel tank venting issues
- Fuel pump issues
- Debris in fuel tanks
- Single-cylinder startup problem that still has no cure
- Cold-start issues
- Airbox sealing issues
- Numerous software problems (MTC failures, intermittent cruise control failures, ABS failures)
If you’re one of those guys who reads this post and says “I’ve had a 790 for XXXXX-thousand kms and have never had an issue” then good for you, count yourself lucky. After working on dozens of KTM P-Twin bikes that have come through my shop and speaking to the owners of many more, I can name only one that didn’t have at least two of the problems on that list. It’s a great piece of design that was utterly ruined by corporate structuring…built to a price, not to a spec. It’s still riding the wave of being the best reviewed bike (reviews where editors ride carefully-prepped bikes for one or two days then give them back) in what it arguably the hottest segment in motorcycling right now. Mark my words gentlemen…once that hype fades away, a few years go by, and reality sets in, the first-gen KTM P-Twin WILL be remembered as one of the all-time biggest lemons in motorcycling.
A great video. Very helpful. Thanks. Paul, South Australia.
I just picked up an 890R a week ago, unfortunately only have had a chance to put 30 miles on it. I would think the foam filter would be a good choice if a lot of water crossings were involved and with the chance of falling over in water?
Congratulations! Great choice, you will love the 890! I agree, if you are doing a lot of water crossings with a chance of falling over, I would opt for the foam filter. Yesterday I was looking at the foam filter choices and there are more choices now for foam even than when I purchased my UNI filter. Some looked easier to clean as the foam was removable from the frame. Twin Air had one that looked like it would work well.
I believe in the manuel it says not to use the stock filter offroad.
A really great summary, but what the heck is a pylon seat?! It's a pillion. Thumbs up anyway!
Lol, thanks for the correction, you are right! Thanks for the thumbs up! Ride on!
I ordered 23 890 and never owned adventure bike. When cleaning my 350, I always remove the seat and take off air filter & replace it with a sealed plastic cover so no water goes in air intake.
Is that not a concern for this bike or other adventure bikes? Are those snorkels so far back and protected that water can’t enter?
I looked for covers online and didn’t see anything.
Sorry prolly stupid question but all I’ve ever known is dirt bikes and a xs750 triple in the late 80s😂
I have been wondering the same thing - paper or foam? Looks like it will be paper for me too! How many miles on that filter? How many were dirt?
1,400 miles, 70 to 80 percent dirt and gravel roads, but a lot of it was in the rainy winter. However, on my last ride, most of it was on dusty gravel roads and I ate dust for about 4 hours so it was a good test! It was good to see that the paper element kept i take clean. I'll keep watching it to see how it does over the summer. My 790 did well with paper in summer riding though now that I think back. Happy riding!
@@oregonmotojohn 1,400 miles on mine too, but probably less than 200 of which is dirt. I just looked at my factory paper filter for the first time. Clean as a whistle. Puts some grease around the edge and closed it back up. I also installed the UNI pre-filter socks on the snorkels. Now that I am done, I am wondering if those pre-oiled socks will cause more harm than good as they may clog much more rapidly in such a small space. It guess I will just have to monitor.
@@bva8252 Awesome, nice work checking into things to see how they look. Good job with adding some grease as extra protection. I had the same concerns with the small snorkels and then filling them with foam. Ride the bike, see if you notice any change in throttle response and if you do, I would take them out. However, if you ride the bike and all seems like business as usual, then I would leave them in and check now and then as you mentioned to be sure they are reasonably clean. You have a good game plan!