@@xertiasstrat8957 he did say Bruce Wayne but he didn’t know that Batman was Bruce Wayne which is why he said “he’s the only one we didn’t get” after he said that you can see Batman stop being frozen in fear because he knows his identity is safe.
@@Kaisaccountt i do think he does know and said that to see how he d react but riddler is smarter that batman i did not read comics unfortunalety but that would not surprise me riddler knows in comics
One thing I never hear people talk about: When he’s out of the costume, Bruce has a hard time looking people in the eye. Here, thinking he’s been figured out, has reverted right back to that. I don’t know if this was Pattinson’s acting choice or in the script, but it works.
Its what makes this Bruce Wayne the most interesting to me, seeing how he’s emotionally stunted and harboring child like characteristics. How uncomfortable with his status and legacy he holds, it’s as if he’s wished to shed his identity and start a new but can’t let go of his trauma. Good shit
I noticed that too. And not just the lack of eye contact, he is looking at the ground, and by the end of Riddler’s rant he is shaking. It’s why I tell people this is the one scene we see Bruce Wayne in the Batsuit instead of the Batman.
if we do get extravagant bruce wayne in the 2nd movie, i hope they make him do the same gestures in one of the down-low part of the story/plot, would be a great nod and touch.
@Jesean Bassi riddler thought batman and him were working together and killing all these people and the reason he was saying Wayne was because he's the only one he didn't kill
I think it's a mix of that. And a mix of shock when riddler says "he's the only one WE didn't get" and he gets mind blown that Riddler was thinking they were in cahoots with each other.
To be fair everyone has been saying for years Batman is a bitch and should get over it. His origin story, while cool, is overplayed. He's rich and has an entire Empire to himself. Even the Lego movie made fun of this. He fights people and put their dad in jail , making them orphans.
he saw him as a suspect, thats why after repeating and drawing out bruces name he let out a sigh of relief realizing that bruce wasn't giving any reaction, SUPPOSIDLY meaning batman wasnt bruce. (but we already know that he is of course lmao)
@@zekester3869 i dont think so! why would he assume that they were working together and at the same time,still tried to kill him as Bruce Wayne? and even if he knew why would he assume that they were working together? cuz the dude literally knows hes Batman/Bruce and hence he thinks theyre working together
@@digimon3522 you can have an obsession with a part of someone while also hating another part of them. If he did known Batman’s identity, sending a bomb could be a test to prove that he was strong enough to survive and as such continue to be worthy of the pedestal he puts Batman on. Bruce was the only person he didn’t try to kill in a way he’d be able to watch, and that’s often very important to serial killers. My guess is that he did learn his true identity towards the end, and the reason he didn’t try to kill Bruce so directly is because he knew this and deep down he hoped he would survive and prove his strength to him. The riddler is obsessed with Batman, and has delusions of grandeur to the point that he thinks they are a team. Delusions like this are very strong, and in reality it wouldn’t be surprising for his knowledge of Batman’s true identity to be overshadowed by his extreme delusional obsession of Batman. So it would still be very unsurprising for him to act this way while knowing his identity. Delusions hold more weight psychologically than reality, so his obsession with Batman will always surpass his disdain towards Bruce
@@digimon3522What if he knows but still treats them as 2 separate entities, hence why he keeps emphasizing that he’s talking specifically about Bruce Wayne
It’s a hard shift from shivering despair to disturbed confusion. What Riddler says alleviates the concern that he’s been figured out but opens a whole new can of worms as this serial killer starts singing *his* praises
He suspected it was him that's why he kept saying his name to get a reaction and let out a sigh of relief 0:29 because he wouldn't handle the fact that the person he hates the most is also the person he idolized
Do you know what being an orphan is? It's 30 kids to a room. 13 years old, already a Drop Head, numbing the pain. You wake up at night screaming because Rats are chewing off your fingernails.... And every winter.... one of the babies dies. Because it's just.... so... cold. 🟢♠️🟢
How did you manage to fuck up his speech so badly when you can just rewind and listen to it, it's like 12 seconds long how did you possibly fuck this up
Body language is everything in this scene. The body language Batman displays in the movie so far is one of confidence and recklessness. The body language Bruce Wayne displays at the funeral and the iceberg lounge and around civilians is a language of fear and shyness. Bruce Wayne believes Riddler unmasked him, so here we see Bruce Wayne in Batman’s suit, not the Batman. It is scary to think about what would have happened if the Riddler did not alleviate Bruce’s fear as soon as he did.
@@SpudSpudoni "No, not at all. Batman has some very interesting mental issues but Dissociative Identity Disorder is not among them. The reason he thinks of himself as Batman and not Bruce Wayne has more to do with his obsessive crusade for justice."
For me, the most heavy hitting part of the whole movie was how realistic Riddler's struggle is. This is still happening in real life, maybe just a few blocks away from where you live, and no one says a god damn word about how many kids died on a winter because somebody didn't give enough money AGAIN because of corruptness. I was never an orphan but the reality of this scene hit me HARD.
i honestly feel for riddler here. this scene was absolute gold and stood out to me because of riddler being open and ranting about bruce being more favored solely because his parents were affluent. most orphans don’t get pampered like bruce did and are mostly disregarded and misjudged. so i kinda get why he was mad
I was an orphan once, so I heavily related to that. Babies died everyday where I was. I was only a year old, and it was at least 40 babies in a sad building.
@@GanondorfsWifei’m so sorry, the world doesn’t shed much light on issues like this. the neglect, poor conditions and struggles shouldn’t be put on any child. i hope you’re doing fine and healthy now.
I just love how Batman here isn't really Batman but Bruce, just look how he looks down and doesn't make eye contact at all. He thought he was discovered and all that confidence goes down. His Bruce Wayne persona is shy, awkward, and vulnerable. When he's in the suit, he makes eye contact, he's confident, he feels strong and that's what i love about this movie
I love how Riddler calls out that even though Bruce knows the loss of parents, he doesn't feel the pain of almost starving, or the abandonment of all of society not caring if you live or die.
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I wish I had the opportunity to proverbially pike a stick at the world I've done it before many times in small ways, and it's so amusing how quickly so-called decent people revert to the mentality of a child having a tantrum The human race is so easy to anragonise
I think the detail is so cool: *Batman and Riddler identify and look alike.* Both are orphans, both are another person behind the alter-ego (but in reality they are their true faces). However, Bruce chose the right path. Edward was psychotic and vindictive enough to get over it. Great actors.
The riddler was antihero and less of villian. He took out corrupt . In comics or cartoon he’s more of villian doing heist, and sometime righteous revenge
I see. Well. To be honest, @@sukunasgaylover, I can honestly see potential in Robert Pattinson when he's not relying on his looks. Glad I was right with him doing The Batman
Given what we know of Riddlers' past in this version of Batman, it makes sense why he snapped; imagen that you were in his position if you want. You grew up in a run down broken orphanage, it lacks the ability to take care of the basic needs of its children, you hear about a new death every winter of such a young soul, your education and teachers never gave you the chance to shine, you grow up alone and scared, and when you finally age out of that place you find that the outside world is even worse, you begin looking for answers too why so many people including yourself have suffered so badly when Gothams' effective King Thomas Wayne had promised too fix all this, you learn that damn near every official in Gothams' government had turned the spark of hope into an Guillotine of despair, chopping off the heads of those who truly care just so that they can fill their pockets with your money. Wouldn't you go mad if that happened too you?
A mindset I've harboured ever since I was a child I've often wondered how close I am to what the human race considers a monster. What feeble barrier is keeping all those dark, vile thoughts from getting out Alone, scared and cold. I know that's my future
I thought this scene is the best part of the movie. Bruce Wayne lost his parents and was an orphan, yes. But not really. I'm not an orphan myself but I never realized how difficult it is for them growing up penniless and living in cold place could effect them so badly. Sure, Bruce Wayne was tortured psychologically by his parents death but he wasn't like the orphans of Gotham City. In a way, you kinda understand why the Riddler hates Bruce so much.
I agree. Riddler has a point for disliking Bruce, because while he was living in luxury, despite the pain of losing his parents, Ed and those other orphans went through hell in that orphanage.
Im an orphan..well very close to one anyway, and i found the whole orphan thing in the movie very interesting . Yeah, Bruce had all the luxuries a rich person would have like food, a very very good shelter (lol), a butler, a warm place during winter, a butler, and a great education. And he didnt have to deal with the things that the Riddler faced in the orphanage like being cold, hungry, drugs, baby's dying, rats. While I understand Riddler's distain towards Bruce (I've been there my self at one point) and how he "really isn't an orphan". BUT, at the end of the day he lost his parents (they both did) and no money in the world is going to be bring them back and yeah while money can numb the pain the psychological trauma that it causes on someone is beyond the worth of money. idk i just found that whole aspect of it really interesting
Let's say that they are two people who faced the same situation, but that we had different resources, and because of this it led to two different scenarios. I think that's what makes Riddler fascinating, because he's a Bruce Wayne who didn't have the money or Alfred, a dark reflection.
@@mikephelps9238 but it's not Bruce's fault that he got more attention for being rich. Sure, Edward has a point and what happened to him and the other orphans was unfair, but so is hating on Bruce when none of it was his fault.
@@mikephelps9238 if u think not going through the EXACT same hardships as u is reason to dislike someone you're in for a very rude awakening about life
My dad has his own handyman service here in Baltimore and he makes way more money than my 4 white friends dads combined. I'm basically a black Bruce Wayne.
Dude prolly the best scene riddler was attacking Batman’s soul, like bats looked like he was gonna off himself, until riddler gave it away that he didn’t really know bats was Bruce Wayne then he lit up like a Christmas tree “oh”
Riddler here comments on all the difference between him and Bruce, and how the latter still got a lot out of life. I don't think Edwart knows that Bruce is Batman, because he just tells him that he's the only one who's escaped him, so he confesses everything he hates about Bruce, not knowing it's in front of him. It's important, because Bruce realizes that despite being an orphan like Riddler, he had a different fate because he had Alfred and his family fortune, this gave him the opportunity to choose a better fate than other orphans. It is an awareness, because it made him understand that the problem of Gotham is not only street criminals, but also the corruption of the system and how criminals are also victims of it
Bruce had the luxury of a devoted guardian, the ivory fortress of Wayne Manor, and billions in the bank What if he had the Riddler's childhood? He would have become a very different person
What a scene! Literally my favorite. I don't want to spoil it too much, But what a masterpiece, and honestly in my opinion, the best and most ideal version of Batman they managed. The movie literally shows and explores "Batman"/"Bruce" storyline and legacy from a very different perspective in comparison to all the others, and this new cast especially with Pattinson nailed it. A film with an excellent soundtrack, a perfect storyline, a great cast, great effects, and emotion, it was literally a masterpiece and an unforgettable movie, and I have nothing negative to say about it. Truly worth it, and can't wait for the future of this Batman trilogy!
A brilliant piece of filmmaking that makes Riddler's motivation work: Gotham's corruption has been showcased throughout the movie, so when the Riddler talks about his nightmarish upbringing we believe every word of it. We don't need a flashback of Riddler's origin to make his word carry weight.
You know people in this comment section kinda prove his point about “all they care about is unmasking you but theyre missing the point”. No one is talking about how he has a point, Bruce may have suffered from his parents’ deaths but hes not a lonely orphan. He had Alfred and many other servants and Wayne employees helping him. Most orphans live in squaller, their lives painful from the very beginning, and yet we overlook them and focus on billionaires who suffer the slightest bit of average human experience
While Bruce was cringing because of the fear that Riddler had exposed his true identity, do you think he was also feeling guilt-ridden about his relatively comfortable upbringing (despite the death of his parents) in comparison to the orphans of Gotham?
See, maybe I got it wrong, but the way it's shot it really looks like the Riddler knows that Batman is Bruce. There is a moment at the beginning of the conversation, when the Riddler says Bruce's name for the first time, it shows Batman looking at the camera recording. It seems to me that the Riddler knew this and played this game, "sparing" Bruce from exposure. Sort of playing him for the same team as him. I could be wrong, but that was my interpretation of the scene.
After Riddler says “Bruce Wayne”, Bruce looks at the camera. Riddler peeped Bruce peeping the camera and processed in that moment that Batman was looking at the camera because he was thinking about whether or not he now has to get rid of him. What’s unclear is whether Riddler said his name to provoke an incriminating response (because of previous suspicion), or if Riddler was just bringing up Bruce Wayne casually and the peeping of the camera is what allowed Riddler to put 2 and 2 together. Either way, the shit he says to Bruce after that is 100% meant to be provocative. “Lying dead daddy...” just isn’t some shit you say to a person. Dude said that shit to fuck with him 😂
I think people missed that this scene was homage to the end of Batman Forever when Nicole Kidman’s character questioned the Riddler at the end about Batman’s identity and Riddler just went insane 😂
he kinda has a point don't you think? about being an orphan. Bruce's parents died and he inherited billions of dollars. Most foster kids; bunk beds, crappy food, maybe abusive guardians. not that it excuses him being a psychopath. but I'm just saying
Yes, material wealth clearly makes all the pain of seeing your parents murdered in front of you go away. What a whiny little boy Bruce is, being all traumatized and angry. If all it takes is having a few bucks to make you feel better about your family dying, then you kind of sound like an awful person.
While I can sort of understand that he's trying to say the circumstances are different between him and Bruce at least concerning their upbringing, it also shows how crazy and bitter(jealous?) he is. So much so that he's taking it out on others.
when you experience as much injustice as he has , withan entire life destroyed because you were born in the wrong family, while a spoiled kid gets presented as the true victim of the system, you get a little angry
i still think he knows batman is bruce wayne and he was just messing with him here and he’s never gonna tell cuz he’s crazy about solving puzzles and who the batman is is the greatest puzzle he could ever solve why would he just tell everyone
The scene was supposed to be played out just like Willem Dafoe’s character in American psycho. Act like you know who he is like you’ve nailed him at the same time you’re totally unsure
Great scene - Riddler knows exactly thats he's talking Wayne, but the enigma here is does Bruce understand he's been unmasked. If riddler and joker become allies in the next movie that would be awesome.
You can see how Batman is frozen in fear when he realizes the riddler might’ve actually known who he is.
he does know
@@xertiasstrat8957 no he doesn’t. If he did he wouldn’t of said “he’s the only we didn’t get”.
@@Kaisaccountt he did say Bruce wayne 3 times
He knows it bruh
@@xertiasstrat8957 he did say Bruce Wayne but he didn’t know that Batman was Bruce Wayne which is why he said “he’s the only one we didn’t get” after he said that you can see Batman stop being frozen in fear because he knows his identity is safe.
@@Kaisaccountt i do think he does know and said that to see how he d react
but riddler is smarter that batman
i did not read comics unfortunalety but that would not surprise me riddler knows in comics
One thing I never hear people talk about: When he’s out of the costume, Bruce has a hard time looking people in the eye. Here, thinking he’s been figured out, has reverted right back to that. I don’t know if this was Pattinson’s acting choice or in the script, but it works.
Its what makes this Bruce Wayne the most interesting to me, seeing how he’s emotionally stunted and harboring child like characteristics. How uncomfortable with his status and legacy he holds, it’s as if he’s wished to shed his identity and start a new but can’t let go of his trauma. Good shit
I noticed that too. And not just the lack of eye contact, he is looking at the ground, and by the end of Riddler’s rant he is shaking. It’s why I tell people this is the one scene we see Bruce Wayne in the Batsuit instead of the Batman.
It's the writing. He's supposed to be emo like.
@@moleedaboi he's just like me fr
if we do get extravagant bruce wayne in the 2nd movie, i hope they make him do the same gestures in one of the down-low part of the story/plot, would be a great nod and touch.
"He's the only one we didn't get" batman: biggest sigh of relief
i dont get it, what did he mean by that
@Jesean Bassi riddler thought batman and him were working together and killing all these people and the reason he was saying Wayne was because he's the only one he didn't kill
I think it's a mix of that. And a mix of shock when riddler says "he's the only one WE didn't get" and he gets mind blown that Riddler was thinking they were in cahoots with each other.
Also, great music cue too. This use of this soundtrack was next level.
It’s a sigh of relief that immediately shifts into “wait, what the hell do you mean *we?”*
You can tell Riddler is a redditor because he literally gatekeeps being an orphan.
Where do you think he met all those riddler fans?
To be fair everyone has been saying for years Batman is a bitch and should get over it. His origin story, while cool, is overplayed. He's rich and has an entire Empire to himself. Even the Lego movie made fun of this. He fights people and put their dad in jail , making them orphans.
The Riddler is so good he almost made us believe he knows Batman's secret identity.
he saw him as a suspect, thats why after repeating and drawing out bruces name he let out a sigh of relief realizing that bruce wasn't giving any reaction, SUPPOSIDLY meaning batman wasnt bruce. (but we already know that he is of course lmao)
@@zekester3869L is right
@@zekester3869 i dont think so! why would he assume that they were working together and at the same time,still tried to kill him as Bruce Wayne? and even if he knew why would he assume that they were working together? cuz the dude literally knows hes Batman/Bruce and hence he thinks theyre working together
@@digimon3522 you can have an obsession with a part of someone while also hating another part of them. If he did known Batman’s identity, sending a bomb could be a test to prove that he was strong enough to survive and as such continue to be worthy of the pedestal he puts Batman on. Bruce was the only person he didn’t try to kill in a way he’d be able to watch, and that’s often very important to serial killers. My guess is that he did learn his true identity towards the end, and the reason he didn’t try to kill Bruce so directly is because he knew this and deep down he hoped he would survive and prove his strength to him. The riddler is obsessed with Batman, and has delusions of grandeur to the point that he thinks they are a team. Delusions like this are very strong, and in reality it wouldn’t be surprising for his knowledge of Batman’s true identity to be overshadowed by his extreme delusional obsession of Batman. So it would still be very unsurprising for him to act this way while knowing his identity. Delusions hold more weight psychologically than reality, so his obsession with Batman will always surpass his disdain towards Bruce
@@digimon3522What if he knows but still treats them as 2 separate entities, hence why he keeps emphasizing that he’s talking specifically about Bruce Wayne
I do love that look from Batman when he says “he’s the only one we didn’t get”
It’s like he’s saying “wait… what?” With just his eyes.
Well said.
as much as cool the white-light eyes would be, i rather have pattinson acts with all his might using his eyes like this.
It’s a hard shift from shivering despair to disturbed confusion. What Riddler says alleviates the concern that he’s been figured out but opens a whole new can of worms as this serial killer starts singing *his* praises
I love how subtle they make it as if riddler did know who Batman was but didn’t.
He suspected it was him that's why he kept saying his name to get a reaction and let out a sigh of relief 0:29 because he wouldn't handle the fact that the person he hates the most is also the person he idolized
Do you know what being an orphan is?
It's 30 kids to a room.
13 years old, already a Drop Head, numbing the pain.
You wake up at night screaming because Rats are chewing off your fingernails....
And every winter.... one of the babies dies. Because it's just.... so... cold.
🟢♠️🟢
Let’s Talk About The Billionaire With The Lying Dead Daddy Because Ateast The Money Makes It Goes Easy, Doesn’t It?
12 years old already a drug head
@@rodericklep2858 drop head, drop in the movie is the name of the drug
How did you manage to fuck up his speech so badly when you can just rewind and listen to it, it's like 12 seconds long how did you possibly fuck this up
2:04. That is just some insane acting by Pattinson. He being guilt-tripped and truly froze like a little boy awaiting being belted.
Body language is everything in this scene. The body language Batman displays in the movie so far is one of confidence and recklessness. The body language Bruce Wayne displays at the funeral and the iceberg lounge and around civilians is a language of fear and shyness. Bruce Wayne believes Riddler unmasked him, so here we see Bruce Wayne in Batman’s suit, not the Batman. It is scary to think about what would have happened if the Riddler did not alleviate Bruce’s fear as soon as he did.
I noticed that too. As Batman, he's fearless but out of the suit, Bruce can't look people in the eye and is incredibly uncomfortable.
Bruce and batman are the same person. batman is just a persona. it's not actually anyone other than him.
@@irisdaniels2318 Guess you don't read the comics then.
@@SpudSpudoni yes i do. and i can understand that bruce doesn't have two seperate personalities. its honestly stupid that people think that.
@@SpudSpudoni "No, not at all. Batman has some very interesting mental issues but Dissociative Identity Disorder is not among them. The reason he thinks of himself as Batman and not Bruce Wayne has more to do with his obsessive crusade for justice."
For me, the most heavy hitting part of the whole movie was how realistic Riddler's struggle is. This is still happening in real life, maybe just a few blocks away from where you live, and no one says a god damn word about how many kids died on a winter because somebody didn't give enough money AGAIN because of corruptness. I was never an orphan but the reality of this scene hit me HARD.
i honestly feel for riddler here. this scene was absolute gold and stood out to me because of riddler being open and ranting about bruce being more favored solely because his parents were affluent. most orphans don’t get pampered like bruce did and are mostly disregarded and misjudged. so i kinda get why he was mad
I was an orphan once, so I heavily related to that. Babies died everyday where I was. I was only a year old, and it was at least 40 babies in a sad building.
@@GanondorfsWifei’m so sorry, the world doesn’t shed much light on issues like this. the neglect, poor conditions and struggles shouldn’t be put on any child. i hope you’re doing fine and healthy now.
I just love how Batman here isn't really Batman but Bruce, just look how he looks down and doesn't make eye contact at all. He thought he was discovered and all that confidence goes down. His Bruce Wayne persona is shy, awkward, and vulnerable. When he's in the suit, he makes eye contact, he's confident, he feels strong and that's what i love about this movie
I love how Riddler calls out that even though Bruce knows the loss of parents, he doesn't feel the pain of almost starving, or the abandonment of all of society not caring if you live or die.
Why do people care more if the orphan is rich?
@@SamuelBlack84Because that's the way society has normalised it.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I wonder what happens if you bri g that point up to the rich? They ignore it?
@@SamuelBlack84 Tone deaf.
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I wish I had the opportunity to proverbially pike a stick at the world
I've done it before many times in small ways, and it's so amusing how quickly so-called decent people revert to the mentality of a child having a tantrum
The human race is so easy to anragonise
One of my favorite scenes; we finally learn Riddler's past, which had been hinted at prior, and Dano (as always) absolutely delivered!
I think the detail is so cool: *Batman and Riddler identify and look alike.* Both are orphans, both are another person behind the alter-ego (but in reality they are their true faces). However, Bruce chose the right path. Edward was psychotic and vindictive enough to get over it. Great actors.
Batman was close to losing himself in the movie too, fighting with rage not realizing he has to be more until later.
@@OneEyedCloud01 Ikr.
The riddler was antihero and less of villian. He took out corrupt . In comics or cartoon he’s more of villian doing heist, and sometime righteous revenge
@@houseofmatrix6174 Nah, he flooded Gotham which harmed many innocents and he only thought of him in the end.
@@CaioH. I agree towards the end he did something evil. Throughout whole movie he took extreme measures but he was anti hero
I didn’t think Robert Pattinson was gonna be a good cast, but man I was honestly really surprised by how well he did ( in my opinion)
Let me guess. Wasn't a good a good cast because of Twilight
@@benmunn7593 he gives off a whole "pretty boy" vibe even outside of Twilight imo.
I see. Well. To be honest, @@sukunasgaylover, I can honestly see potential in Robert Pattinson when he's not relying on his looks. Glad I was right with him doing The Batman
I feel like this riddler is way terrifying than the one in the animated series and he like a horror movie villains
Given what we know of Riddlers' past in this version of Batman, it makes sense why he snapped; imagen that you were in his position if you want.
You grew up in a run down broken orphanage, it lacks the ability to take care of the basic needs of its children, you hear about a new death every winter of such a young soul, your education and teachers never gave you the chance to shine, you grow up alone and scared, and when you finally age out of that place you find that the outside world is even worse, you begin looking for answers too why so many people including yourself have suffered so badly when Gothams' effective King Thomas Wayne had promised too fix all this, you learn that damn near every official in Gothams' government had turned the spark of hope into an Guillotine of despair, chopping off the heads of those who truly care just so that they can fill their pockets with your money.
Wouldn't you go mad if that happened too you?
A mindset I've harboured ever since I was a child
I've often wondered how close I am to what the human race considers a monster. What feeble barrier is keeping all those dark, vile thoughts from getting out
Alone, scared and cold. I know that's my future
@@SamuelBlack84 Hey, uh, do ya wanna talk about this doc, are you ok?
@@tommyfox854 Fine
@@SamuelBlack84 You sure?
@@tommyfox854 Ave maria...
Paul Dano as The Riddler was amazing, next to There will be Blood, this is some great acting from him.
I thought this scene is the best part of the movie. Bruce Wayne lost his parents and was an orphan, yes. But not really. I'm not an orphan myself but I never realized how difficult it is for them growing up penniless and living in cold place could effect them so badly. Sure, Bruce Wayne was tortured psychologically by his parents death but he wasn't like the orphans of Gotham City. In a way, you kinda understand why the Riddler hates Bruce so much.
I agree. Riddler has a point for disliking Bruce, because while he was living in luxury, despite the pain of losing his parents, Ed and those other orphans went through hell in that orphanage.
Im an orphan..well very close to one anyway, and i found the whole orphan thing in the movie very interesting . Yeah, Bruce had all the luxuries a rich person would have like food, a very very good shelter (lol), a butler, a warm place during winter, a butler, and a great education. And he didnt have to deal with the things that the Riddler faced in the orphanage like being cold, hungry, drugs, baby's dying, rats. While I understand Riddler's distain towards Bruce (I've been there my self at one point) and how he "really isn't an orphan". BUT, at the end of the day he lost his parents (they both did) and no money in the world is going to be bring them back and yeah while money can numb the pain the psychological trauma that it causes on someone is beyond the worth of money. idk i just found that whole aspect of it really interesting
Let's say that they are two people who faced the same situation, but that we had different resources, and because of this it led to two different scenarios. I think that's what makes Riddler fascinating, because he's a Bruce Wayne who didn't have the money or Alfred, a dark reflection.
@@mikephelps9238 but it's not Bruce's fault that he got more attention for being rich. Sure, Edward has a point and what happened to him and the other orphans was unfair, but so is hating on Bruce when none of it was his fault.
@@mikephelps9238 if u think not going through the EXACT same hardships as u is reason to dislike someone you're in for a very rude awakening about life
People who complained the movie was "white people bad, its all about saying white people are privileged" clearly didn't watch this scene
My dad has his own handyman service here in Baltimore and he makes way more money than my 4 white friends dads combined. I'm basically a black Bruce Wayne.
They’re triggered over the “white privilege assholes” line. Poor incels.
@@SasquatchWithStyle You better start training now then
@@SasquatchWithStyle Try not to use the backdoor exit after watching a movie
What kind of terminally online person even says such a thing?
"When youre listening to the villain talk and he actually makin a lotta sense" 😂
Riddler : Bruuuuceee WAYNE", "Bruuuuuuuuuuuce WAYNE!"
Batman : **sweats intensified**
Dude prolly the best scene riddler was attacking Batman’s soul, like bats looked like he was gonna off himself, until riddler gave it away that he didn’t really know bats was Bruce Wayne then he lit up like a Christmas tree “oh”
Funny the whole time Batman thought he knew his identity, but Riddler thinks the two should’ve gotten “him” instead
Riddler here comments on all the difference between him and Bruce, and how the latter still got a lot out of life. I don't think Edwart knows that Bruce is Batman, because he just tells him that he's the only one who's escaped him, so he confesses everything he hates about Bruce, not knowing it's in front of him. It's important, because Bruce realizes that despite being an orphan like Riddler, he had a different fate because he had Alfred and his family fortune, this gave him the opportunity to choose a better fate than other orphans. It is an awareness, because it made him understand that the problem of Gotham is not only street criminals, but also the corruption of the system and how criminals are also victims of it
Bruce had the luxury of a devoted guardian, the ivory fortress of Wayne Manor, and billions in the bank
What if he had the Riddler's childhood? He would have become a very different person
I was blown away by this scene. Defs the best scene in the film imo. That bait and switch was just perfect.
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DOES HE KNOW???
The riddler freaked me out with this scene I thought he somehow knew
Even though what he did after this was horrific, you still get where he's coming from.
You can tell he somewhat agrees with everything he’s saying.
Batman needed a change of underwear after this scene
What a scene! Literally my favorite. I don't want to spoil it too much, But what a masterpiece, and honestly in my opinion, the best and most ideal version of Batman they managed. The movie literally shows and explores "Batman"/"Bruce" storyline and legacy from a very different perspective in comparison to all the others, and this new cast especially with Pattinson nailed it. A film with an excellent soundtrack, a perfect storyline, a great cast, great effects, and emotion, it was literally a masterpiece and an unforgettable movie, and I have nothing negative to say about it. Truly worth it, and can't wait for the future of this Batman trilogy!
He knows who Batman is.... Trust me
I legit started sweating when he said this I was like damn they are already going that route
A brilliant piece of filmmaking that makes Riddler's motivation work: Gotham's corruption has been showcased throughout the movie, so when the Riddler talks about his nightmarish upbringing we believe every word of it. We don't need a flashback of Riddler's origin to make his word carry weight.
The more Batman movies they make, the more I realize I don’t relate to Bruce wayne at all. I realize I relate more to joker and the riddler.
yep same i find them more hero than batman
Riddler: Bruuuuuce...Waaaayne...
Batman: Draaaaaainage! Draaaaainage, Riddler, you boy!
I love how he just looks at the cameras as if the person in charged knows his identity
Riddler: Bruuuuuce Waaaaaynee…
Batman: 😳😰
The most sphincter clenching moment in any batman film. I damn near evacuated my bowls when it was revealed Nashton didn't actually know. On my god!
I remember watching this in the theater, thinking “ oh man really know who Batman is hahaha
I don’t care what anyone says. He’s the best Batman ever!!!
he talks more about it in riddler year 1 comic
You know people in this comment section kinda prove his point about “all they care about is unmasking you but theyre missing the point”. No one is talking about how he has a point, Bruce may have suffered from his parents’ deaths but hes not a lonely orphan. He had Alfred and many other servants and Wayne employees helping him. Most orphans live in squaller, their lives painful from the very beginning, and yet we overlook them and focus on billionaires who suffer the slightest bit of average human experience
Plot twist: this is Michael Bolton from Office Space if people keep asking if he’s related to singer Michael Bolton.
I love this so much
i can tell w that lacryboy pfp LMAOOOO
Does he know? 🤯🤯
While Bruce was cringing because of the fear that Riddler had exposed his true identity, do you think he was also feeling guilt-ridden about his relatively comfortable upbringing (despite the death of his parents) in comparison to the orphans of Gotham?
See, maybe I got it wrong, but the way it's shot it really looks like the Riddler knows that Batman is Bruce. There is a moment at the beginning of the conversation, when the Riddler says Bruce's name for the first time, it shows Batman looking at the camera recording. It seems to me that the Riddler knew this and played this game, "sparing" Bruce from exposure. Sort of playing him for the same team as him. I could be wrong, but that was my interpretation of the scene.
After Riddler says “Bruce Wayne”, Bruce looks at the camera. Riddler peeped Bruce peeping the camera and processed in that moment that Batman was looking at the camera because he was thinking about whether or not he now has to get rid of him. What’s unclear is whether Riddler said his name to provoke an incriminating response (because of previous suspicion), or if Riddler was just bringing up Bruce Wayne casually and the peeping of the camera is what allowed Riddler to put 2 and 2 together.
Either way, the shit he says to Bruce after that is 100% meant to be provocative. “Lying dead daddy...” just isn’t some shit you say to a person. Dude said that shit to fuck with him 😂
hits different after reading riddler: year one
Does he know?
I think people missed that this scene was homage to the end of Batman Forever when Nicole Kidman’s character questioned the Riddler at the end about Batman’s identity and Riddler just went insane 😂
Riddler does have a bit of a point.
You're saying Bruce deserves to die cuz he was a rich orphan ? Lmao
@@mkro633 no, definitely not.
@@mkro633 yes
But Bruce could make the lives of poor of Gotham more easy but he don’t that’s why I hate Batman
I just notice that Batman's eyes lit up when Riddler said, "he was the only one we didnt get."
it's a sign of relief
DOES HE
KNOW?
“Barron Trump... he’s the only one we didn’t get...”
You’ll see...😊
Theres something so weird about how he says it, its almost like he actually does suspect its true
Yep we definitely didn't get him and I am definitely not him, let's change the subject...
They really should've had the balls to make him Anarky.
It fits so much better.
I like this quasi-political version of Riddler better. He makes a lot of the same points as Anarky but he's not a pretentious douche about it.
he kinda has a point don't you think? about being an orphan.
Bruce's parents died and he inherited billions of dollars. Most foster kids; bunk beds, crappy food, maybe abusive guardians.
not that it excuses him being a psychopath. but I'm just saying
Pheewww...I thought you were talking about me..er um....WHAT ABOUT BRUCE WAYNE..
Riddler is real hero
Batman supports only real villains in society in this movie
Nah. Riddler killed innocent people with the flood, people that weren't to blame for the corruption and his shitty life.
Wait is the Batman cannon with The Joker? Thomas Wayne was running for Mayor in that one.
It isn't, unfortunately
You can pretend
DOES HE KNOW
Paul Dano is born to play Creepy characters - same as that priest in "There will be blood"!
And the creepiest character of all:
Dwayne from Little Miss Sunshine 😂
They could've made it better being comic accurate instead of baseing him off a killer my zodiacs an Aries btw
Why do you think the Riddler said "Bruce Wayne" twice before talking about his childhood?
Because the Riddler failed to kill Bruce Wayne, he didn't know that Bruce and Batman were the same person.
@@marcelo816551 He Adore Batman
But hates Bruce Wayne
@@marcelo816551 But why do you think he said "Bruce Wayne" twice, as if baiting Batman? Do you think he suspected that Batman was in fact Bruce Wayne?
@@Sisyphus27 stop trying to make the scene fit your idea.. watch it again &accept it for what it IS..
@@Sisyphus27 I think he just really hates Bruce Wayne and was disappointed he was the only one he didn't get. as he states in this very scene.
When Bruce realized that his life was actually great and he has no reason to be sad
Yes, material wealth clearly makes all the pain of seeing your parents murdered in front of you go away. What a whiny little boy Bruce is, being all traumatized and angry. If all it takes is having a few bucks to make you feel better about your family dying, then you kind of sound like an awful person.
While I can sort of understand that he's trying to say the circumstances are different between him and Bruce at least concerning their upbringing, it also shows how crazy and bitter(jealous?) he is. So much so that he's taking it out on others.
when you experience as much injustice as he has , withan entire life destroyed because you were born in the wrong family, while a spoiled kid gets presented as the true victim of the system, you get a little angry
i still think he knows batman is bruce wayne and he was just messing with him here and he’s never gonna tell cuz he’s crazy about solving puzzles and who the batman is is the greatest puzzle he could ever solve why would he just tell everyone
is the batman character cgi? if thats an actual man, he looks SUPER weird, he has alien features if hes not a cartoon.
The hate towards rich people in this movie is unreal.
Good
@@catboyneilcicierega You do realize they are one of the reasons that keep our economy stable, right?
@@sup3414 a bunch of billionaires literally don’t pay tax fym💀
@@catboyneilcicierega Oh you little grasshopper...
@@sup3414 LMFAOO
Thomas Wayne = Donald Trump
Bruce Wayne = Barron Trump
Wayne Tower = Trump Tower
Riddler + Joker = me...
The two sides of Trauma.
The scene was supposed to be played out just like Willem Dafoe’s character in American psycho. Act like you know who he is like you’ve nailed him at the same time you’re totally unsure
Great scene - Riddler knows exactly thats he's talking Wayne, but the enigma here is does Bruce understand he's been unmasked. If riddler and joker become allies in the next movie that would be awesome.
Does he know?
DOES HE KNOW?
HE KNOWS
Does he know?