What does Japan think about Palworld being sued by Nintendo?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Nintendo just sued PocketPair over patent infringements in Palworld and Japan had a very different reaction to the news compared to the rest of the world.
While the global community decried Nintendo as a bully in the industry, Japan was very much on Nintendo's side AGAINST Palworld and PocketPair.
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Patent text boxes.
Patent menus.
Patent rpg mechanics.
Patent polygon technology.
How far can you go with this regarded mentality?
It will get to a point, where only 3 or 5 big game corporations will be allowed to make games.
"Oh you want to make a pirate sailing game? Can't, Ubisoft owns all tge rights to those."
@@NeoVault_ That is ANTI-COMPETITIVE, aka a MONOPOLY!
Funny thing is, the guy criticizing Nintendo didn't say anything about the possibility of Palworld suing.
Corporate Nintendo is pure evil hiding behind a smiling Mario mask.
Japan logic:
"wow, the robber that pointed a gun at me didn't shoot me after I gave him my wallet. This man has shown me mercy! He must be respected!"
You essentially described mafia behavior. They were *allowed* to use the mechanics, those guys *didn't pay respects* to the mechanics and get sued. It's literally playing favorites entirely up to Nintendo's whims.
It IS mafia mentality. Japan views gangs as the heroes because of their tradition of an abusive class system and peasants keeping it in check. The problem is now the gangs are major corporations who control so much, a few years ago, Japan held over a 200% debt to GDP but 90% was held internally. Basically, they're slaves.
They used to be a company that catered to yakuza so the japanese mafia kinda
Cry about it
@@maravreloaded You will.
They patented something 20 years after they created it, that in and of itself should invalidate the patent.
they didn't created tho, the Mechanic existed years before the first pokemon game
They patented the Arceus mechanic specifically so it is recent.
@@blackfangex6813 You can invent something and if you don't Patent it. And somebody else does. Then there is nothing you can do about it.
@@CyberLouthe only thing that stops is FUTURE developments, not active, previous, and current.
closer to 30, but yeah.
Patenting game mechanics should be illegal.
Better yet - just make game mechanic patents unenforceable.
Problem solved, patent all you want sucker
You would not understand because the court system in Japan is different from other countries. In Japan, you cannot file a copyright lawsuit even if you wanted to.
They are. At least in the United States. That is why there are other games like Dungeons and Dragons oh but don't think they haven't tried and they will still try to sue.
@@chernobyl169 Maybe the legal system should focus on gameplay/media patents more as a defensive thing.
example, Nintendo is sueing me for jumping, but I have a patent on it, so I can't be sued for that. Case closed... idk...
@@lionelwhiskerknot warner bros patented the nemesis system.
Japanese people care a lot about copyright so it does not surprise me. They are also the kings of gatekeeping content.
Yeah, looking at what they did to Project KV only around a week after a concept (not even a game) was presented.
Which ironic when you factor all the hentai doujins into the picture.
@@nvrmltice i was also thinking of this, just this week i had commented on a KV video how i could not believe eastern fanbase was defending the company holding the IP over the actual creatives who came up with the characters, their designs and story. Brand loyalty really is its own kind of brainrot.
They also love to censor themselves and then at the same time, try to profit off censoring themselves with extended versions or uncensored content.
@@nvrmltice Project KV 関係のゴタゴタは韓国の会社同士の話で日本の会社じゃないよ。
We stole our whole concept from another game, but it's OURS now. Nobody else can make a monster capturing game! *stomps foot*
they are late doing that with monster catching thing digimon and monster rancher to name a few
Reminds me of what Warner Bros did with the Nemesis patent.
@@dragongrandmaster You don't catch monsters in Monster Rancher. You either breed them or spawn them off of a CD. Digimon also avoids capturing... instead in most of the Pokemon style Digimon games you collect 'data' by defeating enemies of a given type until you have 100% and then you just get that digimon.
@MrPenetroso what games before lotr used a system like nemesis?
@@1iedsnake there was a batman one but got canned so far i have not seen any other game havingg that
I don't think Nintendo plans to win. They just expect to drown Pocketpair in legal fees.
I think Nintendo also want to give a "Warning" to other studios that want to make a "Capture monster game" genre
@@hanchiman Nintendo would be in trouble if they were trying that... given the games that came out BEFORE Pokemon... they don't have a legal foot to stand on, let alone legs.
@@NameNotAChannel I really hope Nintendo lose in a humiliating way just to humble them that "The world has change"
They've been known to do this for extended periods of time, slowly dragging out those they wish to crush via legal fees, up until the point where it either gets settled out of court, or the company they are dragging through the mud crumbles to dust.
@@hanchiman Aka bullying anyone else they don't want usurping them.
The signs of someone who has stagnated and is fully afraid of being outclassed or made less popular, or hell, called out for being bad at what they do (being criticised).
These people are so biased, calling it a COLOPL move, when the issue with COLOPL is that they tried to steal a patent and as far as we know, Palworld hasn't done any of that.
They are making a false association, knowing that the public supported Nintendo during the COLOPL lawsuit, so by bundling Palworld with COLOPL is the same as smearing their reputation.
It's also weird that they seem to be okay with big companies owning those far-reaching patents, with the mindset of "they don't sue others over it, so it's okay." So they're allowed to have nuclear bombs just because they're currently not using it? When they start using it and every company sues each other to oblivion, it will be too late to complain.
Name me one single major company that doesn’t have patents. I’ll wait
Japan has basically been taught that corpos can do no wrong
@@hass556on game mechanics?
@@hass556 Patents should be on actual material things like a specific type of transmission in a car, not abstract ideas. There was a case where somebody tried to patent part of the human fucking genome, and a new bill in congress is seeking to remove what little protections we have against misused patents.
@@burnttoast26 You can blame America for that, I mean their laws are modelled after American laws after their defeat in the second world war. And we all know that America is a corpo's dreamland.
I did actually have a Japanese person on Twitter tell me that there are Japanese people who harbor doubts about what Nintendo's actions. Between that and the fact that the naysayers weren't actually able to ratio Palworld JP's statement, I think the support for Nintendo isn't quite as universal as it appears. It may be that the people who don't support Nintendo are just less vocal.
That makes sense considering japans honor codes and polite society.
It's not a japanese person it's someone faking being japanese.
Probably afraid of sticking out and getting harassed. Or worse getting a defamation suit from nintendo themselves and being indebted to them for life.
@@JDReC100 this here.
It also makes sense because every reasonable person isn't going out of their way to start arguments whilst drowning themselves in FOX News propaganda.
For instance, Concord shut down, no one says anything.
Pride month is contradictory to it's purpose? You're a total lunatic!
But you know, deep down, I'm right.
The lack of criticism is definitely because of Japans defamation laws
As an American, it is hard to understand. It feels alien that people would react like this. It feels obvious that nintendo SEEMS to be intentionally using their size to snuff out a minor competitor instead of improving their games. Stuff like this just results in less games in the genre and less innovation.
@@Murbz they’re obviously biased and I get that. But as far as them saying “they’re spitting in the face of Nintendo” it’s like yeah I don’t care cause Nintendo has spit in the face of its fans countless times over the last 5-10 years. Over so many things. They’re not the company they used to be.
Japanese people are for the majority corporate bootlickers. The bigger the corporate is, the more likely people are to defend it like it is their own family. In the west we see it like the big bad Nintendo bullying an indie studio, which we associate with a group of people instead of a "real" corporation), which makes it for us unfair.
Japanese people are also lawful, on so many points they dislike grey legality zones. And yes we all know the palworld devs pushed the line of that zone with the game to be fair. And like sensei said, they don't usually question the laws. So because of all that japanese people will not go easy on Pocket Pair.
Also I think it's ironic that japanese people will use some legal grey zones themselves AS LONG as it's accepted by the society as a whole. Japan is a whole different culture.
@@ZaneDidItyou could use the same argument of biases to people who don’t like Nintendo who immediate went to support palworld while the details aren’t even known.
@@imbored1179 facts. If I was Japanese I’d be in full support of whatever Nintendo said. It’s just a part of their culture and cohesiveness as a nation. But yeah the other side… well tbf a lot of those people are/were pokemon fans until we got slop and half baked games which was also a spit in the faces of those people. They couldn’t understand why Nintendo or game freak couldn’t make a game similar to palworld which is “all they’ve ever wanted” etc. truth is Nintendo has investors and quotas, have to push out a certain amount of games each year regardless of quality. Plus the games are such a small fraction of Pokémon’s gross sales/profits that they don’t care about them anymore. Most fans who are mad are older people anyways and their target audience are children. It is what it is, although it kinda sucks the adults just need to accept it at this point lol
@@ZaneDidIt Imo the only thing I really don’t like about palworld is a lot of the designs are pretty shitty ripoffs but besides that the gameplay is solid. Still it’s WILDLY different than Pokemon games and as a Pokemon fan as well I never really wanted a game like palworld anyway. It’s more of a survival game. I just wanted Pokemon games to be better and to continue the legends arceus style but with more time in the oven. I’m surprised Nintendo isn’t suing them for copyright cuz they clearly have a case there with the deigns but for patents idk and we’ll just have to wait and see. I’m not going to pick a side immediately and then hypothetically call people who also picked a side immediately biased. Competition is good and I would like palworld to be a decent competitor to make GF make better games but without the art reskins
Patenting game mechanics should be illegal as it is detrimental to gaming. Look at load screen mini games and nemesis system. This only harms people as then noone uses those systems. Wb hasnt used it for nearly 10 years and noone used the namco mini games
I agree.
I wonder if Ubisoft will start to try to patent the stealth gameplay.
Theres so many game mechanics patented, that soon people will be scared of doing platformers lol.
Patent and Copyright was created to give a incentive to create new things and earn money from it, without the fear of it getting stolen.
But how it is used and even got a extended period than it originally had, is just a perversion of the whole idea.
I put a patent on pressing a Button to jump, now no other Dev can use a jump mechanic in their Game. YEAH PROGRESS
@@schar1024if lawmakers cared they could amend it easily
But I stead commissions that pursue just lawmaking are being defunded. Like the ftc
It sounds like most of the Japanese folks are mixing the two things. They are mad that Pal World pulled together, borrowed, stole, whatever from other games. Which is what people were crying about in January, that it was a blatant copy, a rip off. This patent charge is totally different. But they are allowing their emotions about the one shade their judgement of the other.
Yep emotion > logic
I'm agreeing with you
パルワールドはポケモンのデザインやアイデアを奪った
ここまではまだ許せるが、ポケモンのアイデアを盗んでいる上に任天堂に対して無礼な発言をしているから怒っているんです
もしデザインを奪うことだけで怒るというなら原神はこれほど日本で流行していないでしょう
Asian☕️
@@TIDUSnotinpokimotinpo What exactly did they did to show disrespect? If it's not the stealing, where is it?
Software patents as a whole should just be abolished everywhere. They hold back innovation and have a very different effect than hardware patents.
Also patent trolling and hoarding is becoming a growing problem, so I'd fully agree, they should be abolished.
Not to mention, Nintendo never upgrades their consoles until the hardware patent of a technology they are interested in is up so they don't have to pay to use it
nintendo is clearly patent trolling.
If Nintendo wins this lawsuit it will set the precedent that you can literally just pull a patent right out of your ass and then sue people for making games years before the patent's very inception. I could theoretically file a patent on platforming mechanics and then sue Nintendo for all they're worth for all the Super Mario Bros. games they've released. It's pure insanity!
@@Dredd-Mau in japan not the states.
craftopia came out 2020, legends arceus came out 2022. pocketpair made the mechanic of aiming and throwing a device to catch in a field.
Yes, also even in Legends of Arceus, you enter in a different scenario to fight and catch pokemons, but Palworld don't do that in that aspect
Craftopia literally has the bokoblin models from breath of the wild color swapped
@@_Ikelos if they did, wouldn't have Nintendo sued them to oblivion by now for *copyright*?
@@_Ikelos You might want to look up what 'literally' means
Likely since Craftopia was published 2 years before Pokémon Legends Arceus
Just to clarify:
3:56 - Both images are Pals form Palworld. In the game there is like a variant type which some pals have, basically the same pal but with a different color pallet and different types/attack moves/ passives, etc. In the image the Pal is Bushi (right image) and Bushi Noct (left image)
And I did look at yokai-watch like the comment suggested and it legit made me laugh out loud.
It is near IDENTICAL to masamune shuu tai from yokai-watch. Though I’m sure the yokai it’s based on looks like that too anyways, just interesting to point out
@@pubertdefrogjust a yokai, can't copyright a yokai
I'm surprised no one else commented this lol. Yes it's the exact same model but it's cause it's the same character from the same game! 😭
Not to mention that the one big yellow thing that the pink twin ponytail hair girl has her palmon in a boss battle looks like from studio ghibli character Totoro
Oh so that guy was basically making a misleading comparison? Seems pretty bias.
The thing people have to remember is A) alot of pokemon designs were stolen from older games, and B) the patent they are sueing over is a new patent having been filed months after palworlds release.
new patent is renovated old patent.
@@x149te heard they might sue over the patent from arcerus, makes the most sense
Months after Palworld's announcement*
It depends, from what i heard it was recently patented, after palword in the western world, but in japan this was patented one year ahead.
The poke ball design was literally stolen from Aztec glyphs in their codex. Pokemon is not going to stop anyone from using those designs 😠
I see Japan Nintendrones are the same of the west.
Nintendo didn't even invent monster catching. Their own proto-Pokemon idea called "capsule monsters" was ripped off from Ultraman's capsule kaiju.
By the looks of it yes but even worse
Nintendo Glazers are everywhere
@@Mark6O9 ik 💀
dont forget the game was made by gamefreak not nintendo. they bought the studio of course after pokemon was a insane hit.
they are actually MUCH WORSE... they are TRUE drones in japan.
Nintendo: You're guilty!
Poketpair: Guilty of what?
Nintendo: Nope, not telling ya.
This alone is already smells fishy.
Its not fishy, its a strategy, If Nintendo revealed what they are suing Pocketpair for, before going to court, the latter would probably try to fix that issue to avoid losing the case, but since Nintendo wants to expose Pocketpair for the blatant copy that is Palworld, they wont reveal the reason until its too late.
They should know what it is. They got the forms for the lawsuit. They probably just don't want to tell the public. It'll eventually go public once its in court. Everyone making assumptions doesn't help the argument.
@@tru_moose Except they literally said they weren't told/didn't know so you're objectively full of bullshit here lol
@@shawnwolf5961 That's not how the court system works. You don't just say," I'm suing so and so" without their knowledge. You're served papers. Anyone can say whatever the hell they want on twitter for sympathy. No one knows what they are being served for. But idiots like you have to start speculating cause you enjoy pointless drama.
@@shawnwolf5961 Anyone can say whatever the hell they want on twitter. If you make an official press release of suing a business, you do it after you send the papers to the other party. Pocket pair already knows Nintendo has a negative attitude towards it in the west, where Palworld did better than Japan. Why wouldn't they say shit that makes them seem like the poor little company being attacked by the big bad wolf. Stop speculating and actually wait and see wait goes on. Drama like this is why the internet is turning into a dumpster fire.
If nintendo made call of duty back then, they will sue medal of honor because of patented M1 garand "ping" sound when reload
I guess Cyberpunk was right about Japan
What were they right about?
@@stripedrajang3571I don’t know but, I’m assuming he’s referring to the character named Takemura who was extremely loyal to a Japan company Arasaka to the point where even when he was being hunted down, shown how much of a demon the corporation he swore loyalty to was, and even was exposed this by you the main character, and that he needed to stop the cap.
He still stuck to loyalty and honor to the corp in 99% of every option you chose, the only option where he realizes it was a bad decision was when he literally genuinely loses everything he ever has and was left to wallow in it for 2 WHOLE YEARS and even then he only mildly understands that his way of thinking is wrong.
TLDR Japanese are too loyal to people in power especially when they show a hint of good the first time they meet.
@@Artixesit's bootlicking and their culture of conditioned obedience.
@ssilent8202 wow. That's crazy.
So will Nintendo try to sued baseball for throwing balls like poke balls
in japan probly.
Bootlicking of the higher-ups and overrespecting the hierarchy are common Asian traits, not just Japanese
Yup. Grew up in Asian household, so can confirm. The older generation is taught to obey and worship, not to think critically. This hasn't changed in Asian countries yet.
@@somebodyanonymous4608They definitely think more critically than "gamers".
Racist
@@wifi961 They're gacha and waifu addicts. No they do not. If anything, it's equal stupidity.
@@hass556
Cultural differences exist, get over it.
West: of course they’re not going after every dev team/game, it wouldn’t be worth the time and $.
Japan: grace
Part of the problem is, Japan has been taught (even in law) that corpos can do no wrong
It is the Confucianism way after all
It's basically the way of the world. You will find it almost everywhere.
@@DreamersOfReality It's particularly bad in Japan, way worse about that than the US
Those were both Bushi in that screenshot. The blue vs. red and yellow one. Both from the same game
Bushi and Bushi Noct
The resemblance with Sheen/Masamune from Yo-Kai Watch is pretty uncanny though, right down to the flame on the sandogasa hat
Yes, they are both the same, however if you look for Yokai Watch Masamune you will see that the similarities are brutal I was even surprised they managed to get away with it
Yes it's from the same game but he said they were from a different franchise so either the person in the comments was lying and this guy didn't clarify that it wasn't true or he genuinely believes it's just a color swap from yokai watch wich is not the case
@@ozzcoremidmx8287 they have similarities (the flame on the hat that's it) nothing too similar ....
This stance from the Japanese hints at why Japan's lost decade is now heading into its fourth decade.
Innovation aside, they have a hostility towards iteration via draconian copyright/patent laws.
yep they where the kings of tech still are at some thing but then it just seems to just die off.
Damn, that's one way to fumble. Hopefully, PocketPair comes out of this AT ALL, I know the Japanese legal system is absurdly cutthroat. One thing I learned is that you can't win most lawsuits on a companies home turf. And, since Nintendo has a loaded deck legally, it's not looking good. Respect and reputation is the biggest thing in Japan, it seems.
I mean should be obvious for anyone that knows even a bit of Japanese Culture how deep Respect goes there. Literally you MUST refer to anyone by their last Name and often a respectful Honorific unless you have a close relationship and you are told otherwise.
@@jesusmen6308nah, not respect. It's all about saving face in Japan. East Asian countries like Japan, Korea, and China is all about those superficialities.
@@gurugurumawaru7869 whatever you say g
@@jesusmen6308 Its the truth though. They're being polite mostly out of political interests, instead of actual courtesy and respect.
@@gurugurumawaru7869 I mean isn’t that how it is anyways? When it comes to complete strangers We are Educated and Polite to up and maintain a favorable public Image, it’s just how society works.I don't see what's up with that.
Obviously the kind of more Intimate and genuine Respect you speak about requires the people involved to personaly grow close to each other.
I don't care if palworld was just pokemon arceus with mustaches drawn on the pokemon. Huge, unstoppable companies like Nintendo need to lose once in a while.
Agreed. As much as I love Nintendo games and was a Nintendo fanboy for a long time, these lawsuits they have towards fans and their fanwork are ridiculous (even for a parody like Palworld). The more Nintendo sues fans, the more it makes me hate them.
I could maybe understand to some degree if Palworld was actually available on Nintendo consoles but given it isn't I don't really see what Nintendo stands to gain from this but more people calling them out for being draconian about anything derivative so their own stuff. Nintendo/Game Freak already have the monopoly on such games on their own hardware so what's the deal with someone making their own take on the genre on a different platform?
Just abolish patents and IP law, at this point. Giving giant corporations a minor pain every now and then is worthless. All it does is make you feel better for a fleeting moment in time.
Patenting super vague things is like trying to claim the concept of using the color black for lineart in art or using a pre-made brand of paint for a painting. They're too vague and basic of something to insist nobody else can do.
and the patent was issued after Palworld was live, it's a clear attempt at trying to silence competition and as it was done in the US this should be thrown out of court.
SHOULD be. But since when is the law fair?
You don't understand because the court system in Japan is different from others. In Japan, you cannot sue for copyright even if you wanted to.
@@mato4876 I don't think you get what I'm saying here.
They filed the patent in the US, it's bound by US law.
If Nintendo wants to sue via Japanese law they'd need to file via a Japanese copyright,
it's how a lot of Anime Reaction channels get content taken down as the Japanese don't recognise Fair Use, and they file copyright disputes through a Japanese legal process and that CAN have the reaction channels taken down when it's multiple all at once.
The filing was for a patent that was made after Palworld went live, so the US legal system which its based in and being used for SHOULD - hint it's a very shaky should - side with Palworld as this is a clear attempt at manipulating the system, if anything the court should argue that as Pokemon and Nintento have tried to do this, they will be in violation of laws dictating free enterprise - where you can't prevent a rival from making something that even vaguely resembles your product - as that would be an attempt at creating a monopoly of sorts.
But again, this is the US legal system and that can be bought easily.
@@mato4876 yet they are
@@mato4876 "...you cannot sue for copyright even if you wanted to."
That is IF you have the money and corporate influence to do so.
@@oriongear2499 That's why the court system is different in Japan and in the West.
Also how was Japanese people’s reaction to Nintendo taking down fan games like Metroid am2r and Pokémon uranium years back?
These fangames are not that famous in Japan and their core audience saw them negatively as copycats. Japan in general feels more negatively towards unofficial game mods. Such a shame this is thier mentality, so many potential lost.
Seeing the reaction and explanation of the video, I can see the Japanese people going, "yeah, they deserve to be taken down", but I might be wrong
@@tikus8567if you notice, that can happen in anime as well. Gintama is a great example on how the creators mock the copyright laws in Japan.
@@tikus8567 And yet Japanese anime studios constantly rip off each other with many genres in the animation industry such as:
Isekai
School-setting
RPG
Monster collectors
ecchi tropes
Sentai heroes
They constantly use the same type of tropes, settings and themes that make them so run of the mill, that only a few stand out, and you don't see them ragging on their own creations, or openly demanding for new forms of content and the non spamming of used and typical tropes, it's actually really sad to see a race call out the entire world on "copy-cats", but they refuse to call out their entire industries for doing the same thing.
@@tikus8567 I think the people that support fangames, fan mods and other heavily inspired games probably live more in the shadows and you only see them in public on doujin events, the concept of game mods exists in Japan too, and some of them are quite popular, like Jisaku no Kaizō Mario
Imagine if they sue Genshin Impact next because you can catch pokemon in Natlan
Oh man, don't tempt me with a good time. I'd love to see those two go at it, since I don't particularly like either of them.
@@GamePlayuh9510 How uniquely childish lmao.
you can't catch the dinos, you transform yourself into them.. but you can use the net to capture animals, if that makes you feel better..
@@GamePlayuh9510what exactly don't you like about them, or do you mean the fans?
Would that Chinese based company respond though?
I don't think Japanese understand how damaging to the indie scene if Nintendo win this lawsuit. Surprisingly considering Japan is the biggest place for doujin games to prosper, they should know how bad it is if game companies just go around restricting all kind of game mechanics.
I really think it's time for Japanese to abandon that brand loyalty attitude. People were so blindly buying anything a company put out is why big games companies don't try anymore.
Japan is a done deal... they are slowly killing everything in the country, anime, mangas, games are just the tip of the iceberg:))
A had a discussion with a japanese about something like that, how the law can be unfair, how Nintendo is a scumbag of a company, but first of all, they think pocket pair is in the wrong because of misinformation, and second, they believed in the reputation of a corporation
Yes, japanese are blockheads
does this mean yarimon battle fuck will get sued tooo. noooooooo.
I don't think you understand how it would end the Indie scene for good if it's decided that anyone can ripoff character and game designs with no consequences while ignoring trademarks and patents. If the precedent that you want takes place, the first time a single creator or Indie company makes something revolutionary, Nintendo or any other large corporation could quickly churn out a more-polished version of it and basically bury the original due to their money and established name in the game industry. Every company and individual needs to do what they can to protect their creations. Let the courts decide to what extent it makes sense.
@@shawnpatrick1877 The lawsuit is not about characters so i'll completely dismiss that. But i have 2 things to say.
Palworld hasn't ripped off much in therms of game design, field-catching for example was in craftopia before Pokemon made Legends Arceus (before that catching was exclusive to battle screens), image-processing is another patent they made recently wich is in every game engine and rendering engine, so that is not truly made by them also.
Second of all, Indie has no resources to defend their patents, indie patents are completely irrelevant due to the fact that if they try to enforce it agaisnt a big corporation, said big corporation will freeze the lawsuit until the indie company runs out.
Corporations: Capitalism breeds innovation
Also corporations: We don’t like how you innovated from our ideas, we’re suing you for being successful.
Okay, suing over joystick layouts is like suing someone for making a spoon that looks almost exactly like another spoon, or a screwdriver that's almost exactly like another one, or a computer mouse that's basically the same size as another one... of COURSE they are, they're tools meant to be used the same way. There is a natural inclination to that look because it is efficient. Not something anyone should be able to patent.
Pokémon is very beloved in Japan it is unsurprising that they want to literally protect their mascot that can be seen quite frequently in any busy city
Can Japan say with a straight face that Nintendo has released good Pokémon games recently?
they will they are the worst fanboy that exist when it come to their licence like pokemon
Eh legends was fun and actually did push the series forward... But then palworld came out and made legends look like decade old slop. I feel like palworld is what the legends team basically wanted to make, but the dumbass deadlines prevented them from pushing the game as far as they wanted.
Either way though, GF and nintendo are pussy ass bitches for doing this shit.
They will. Japanese are a weird people when it comes to supporting companies. There were lots of animosity against the XBox back in the day just because it was a western product.
Idk man, check sales numbers.
It's not just video games. It's the merchandise, the TV show, the TCG, etc. Just because a few games did not do well does not stop the popularity of the characters and monster designs.
BTW the Colopol thing: the problem became that Colopol tried to patent their control scheme (which they named Punicon)... and then sent out notices across the game industry that if you wanna do a similar control scheme you gotta caugh up some licensing fees.
And THAT was what triggered Nintendo's lawsuit: not the fact that they did it but the fact that they tried to monetize it.
Normally Nintendo is surprisingly lenient at letting other use their patented features as long as you don't try to monetize your own patents like that if you "borrow" Nintendo patents at the same time. So "as long as you keep your patents free to use we will keep ours free to use" like some sort of honor-system.
Yeah, exactly- I thought both of them were just as bad when I was reading through that case. Patenting simple character movement mechanics is just so... Odd to me.
So did palworld tried to patent a catching mechanic? No? Who cares then, Nintendo is being shitty.
@@lucasLSD to be fair we don't know yet, they might have tried and just didn't say anything yet, lets withhold full judgment until we get some facts, this way we don't look dumb for taking sides when we just don't know.
I'm Japanese, but I love and fully support Palworld.
Nintendo's attempt to crush the competition by suing for patent infringement, just because they can't win a copyright infringement case, is incredibly lame and disappointing.
Instead of wasting time and money on lawsuits, they should focus on making Pokemon a better game.
That and if it's true that it's the ball capture they're going after for the patent, that's a weak claim. It's too nebulous.
でた。自称日本人。本当に日本人ならネイティブ日本語で返信しろ
まじで無知すぎる。守るための訴訟な？
あとあなたが知らないだけで、こんなの山のようにありますよ。
They're also using child patents made after Palworld and suing for infringing on them. Not the right terminology, but basically Nintendo couldn't use their existing patent to sue with so they rushed through sub-patents that are more specific and branch off of the parent patent, but still have an effective application date that matches the parent patent.
It just really reeks of patent trolling and feels targeted like they were made for Palworld instead of Palworld overstepping as it passed legal review before early access launch.
@@indiana47 No doubt it was made for Palworld, because otherwise Nintendo would not be able to sue Palworld. When Palworld starts its IP business, Nintendo could be sued by Palworld. So we have to hedge our risk for that.
文化的な違いがたくさんあることに気づきました。英語圏のコミュニティは任天堂に非常に反対しているのがわかりました。日本のコミュニティは任天堂に好意的でした。
あたしの個人的な意見としては、告発内容がわかるまでは公平な意見を述べることはできないと思います。自分が裁判官だと想像して、任天堂とPalworldの両方の証言を聞きたいと思います。すべての情報を聞いたら、判断を下し、実際の判断にどれだけ近いかを確認したいと思います。あたしはこれを利用して、感情的な反応ではなく証拠に基づいて公平な判断を下せるかどうかを確認しています。
That’s fair.
very fair response, i wouldn't say i personally am against nintendo normally since i love their games. I am just against patents on game mechanics limiting creativity.
Us western gamers have a different perspective on Nintendo.
We have grown up hearing endless instances of Nintendo ruining people buy crushing them in western courts unfairly just by using their size and this has led to Nintendo being seen as litigious bully's and having an extreme ego thinking that they own many parts of gaming culture that people see as just popular culture to be spread freely around the world for the happiness of all.
A common sentiment among westerners is that Nintendo think they own you're thought's and experiences (this comming from Nintendo blocking gameplay of Nintendo games being streamed for near a decade as they tried to monetize people just playing Nintendo games).
The biggest mistake of Nintendo was not looking thoroughly at Craftopia, I think it might bury their whole patent case.
uh oh. :)
Is that relevant to this case? Like if a mechanic is used in an earlier title before being patented by someone else the patent cannot hold up?
Even if Nintendo CAN do this legally, it still remains that Nintendo is doing this out of pettiness and it's scummy. It took them 8 months to dig deep and find something because they HAD to get Palworld on something. They couldn't nail them for copyright so they pulled out something else no one else was even considering. It's scummy because Nintendo's games are built on the backs of other game systems. Pokemon is not 100% original and copied other game systems while adding their own unique flavor. It's really scummy when large companies pull the ladder up from behind them.
Indeed. Nintendo did not care until they saw success.
@@NeightrixPrime That's why I'm not surprised they did this now of all times. They literally waited 8 months and watched PW do big numbers, do rounds on YT and Twitch and decided "oh they could grow and outshine us", and then decided they wanted to attack.
This is what the courts should rightfully be calling out, because no company should be reacting in such an emotional manner (fear/bullying are both highly emotional behaviours/reaction patterns).
No game is 100% original and most of them copy concepts and add new flavors (expect for a few early ones) there are plenty of good arguments on why Nintendo is the wrong this isn’t one
@@chaosenforcerdhm969, all 3d free cam movement games are copied from Mario64 ✅
They literally had to edit their patents by creating subpatents so they could sue.
So apparently their patent to even capture or interact with things in the 3d space dates back to the parent patent in 2021 for us with Arceus in 2022, but supposedly PocketPairs Craftopia (which itself is an amalgamation of different genres) introduced that very same capture mechanic in 2020 (maybe early 2021?).
There's a lot to dissect and I'm curious to see where things go.
I just wish instead of going this route Nintendo instead fought against PocketPair by just making a good game. I'd argue a huge part of the success of PalWorld came through not only its accessibility (not needing a dedicated console) but due to the issue with Scarlet/Violet and it's poor optimization. Yes the Switch hardware isn't great but Botw and TotK seem to have been able to utilize it just fine, so it's fair that many were displeased with how S/V ran. In comparison to PalWorld which despite it's own issues, was working enough to where it was just genuinely fun.
And in the end that's all players care for. To be able to have fun playing a video game. I enjoyed S/V but I can see how the lack of performance can hinder someones experience.
Making a good game tho is hard when the developers (Gamefreak) are unable to make any inovation and are even going out of their way to compensate with crap gimics that are entirely removed the next game.
The thing is, if the studio of Palworld had patented that mechanic in craftopia, then Nintendo wouldn't have basis to sue them. Sadly, Nintendo was smarter and quicker to patent that mechanic. Let's see how the judge will handle this.
@@MrPenetroso Basing off of my very limited understanding of Patent Law, the difference of it between American and JP law and Google, Patents can just be filed willy nilly and it will get approved. When the Patent gets challenged however and the judge deems it silly (such as someone already made it before or the patent is too broad), they can dismiss it outright. I could be wrong in multiple ways so it really is just up to the Judge (but I'm not one to trust the process when a bigger company is strong-arming another).
The parent patent wasn't enough though so child patents got made after Palworrld, but they still got the effective date of the parent one.
Everyone is crying about how much of an a...hole behavior Nintendo shows all the time, yet all these people keep buying Nintendo's overpriced, already outdated at release, consoles/handhelds and the games for those, that will, just as the handhaleds themselfes, never drop in price, even 10 years later...
Nintendo may be [censored], but they still make awesome game many people enjoy. Things cant always be black and white, though it would make alot of things easier.
Just because the games are good doesn’t mean you should pay for them when they come from a company like Nintendo.
@@JDReC100Wish we could go back to Pokemon Black and White. i miss Megas.
Not everyone crying still purchases it, many have stopped. Video games are still a growing market, meaning for everyone who stops another 5 join.
@@BiometalOmega Mate, there is a lot worse than Nintendo.
So related to the "Nintendo generally doesn't sue others for using ideas they've patented"
The video by Thomas Game Docs suggests that there's actually more to it than this...that actually the reason Japanese game devs patent so many random and trivial ideas is precisely to avoid getting hit with bogus patent lawsuits from patent trolls. ie: if Nintendo DIDN'T patent "throwing ball at a creature", an outside company could patent it, come after them, and either make them pay a fee or get them stuck in a stupid legal battle. So instead, Japanese game devs patent evenything they possibly can but are very lax about actually enforcing them against other game devs. Functionally, the game devs aren't going to sue each other because they all are probably engaging in some sort of "patent infringement" with each other and playing that card would result in chaos, with patent lawsuits only being deployed when another company has ACTUALLY stepped out of line, like with Colopl trying to deploy their own patents against other devs to get fees.
Is this idea something you're familiar with? That Japanese game devs essentially patent everything to protect the industry from outside trolls, but don't generally enforce them against each other unless it's something really serious?
Thank you for the explanation though it does bring up a separate issue: If the dev doesn't like you for whatever reason they can use the patent as a weapon against you specifically. Which seems to be what Pokemon is doing to PocketPair/Palworld because Sony and the like are backing them.
You have it backwards, Nintendo is the patient troll..... and they have displayed this over the last 40 years of frivolous suits.
@@CoalCoalJames Patent is NOT IP they are very aggressive with IP and Trademarks but almost never play the patent card.
.....so they might sue almost all monster taming game since most of the "patent" of uhhh throwing balls? Is the same, you throw, you summon, you fight, that's odd and weird.
if they wanted to, they wouldve done it long before palworld. temtem has been untouched and it was fairly popular on release. i think palworld has probably done something to agitate nintendo.
They have patents for aiming and throwing objects in video games and 3D environment. And the patent doesn't even define the shape of the object meaning that it can be, for example, a sphere, cube, pyramid, icosahedron, disk, card, spinning top, watch or digivice and etc. And it's language is purposely so broad and vague so that no one can develop even something closely similar without Nintendo's permission and license.
Or perhaps because Palworld planned to release on switch? The fear that one game would dethroned Pokemon? That's petty
@@hartantoanggoro ummm Since you don't seem to know. Nintendo owns the switch, they can literally say no to any game coming to their console.
日本人です
「任天堂は特許を乱用して小さなゲーム会社を潰そうとしている」
なんて主張を海外コミュニティでよく目にするのですが、公平な物事の見方をできる人がいてよかった
まず、パルワールドの裁判について語る前にポケットペアの代表の発言について知る必要があると思います
パルワールドの運営会社ポケットペアの社長は過去にこんな発言をしている
「switchは遅れた〇〇ハードだ」とか「オリジナルのポケモンのデザインとAIで出力したパルのデザインは大差ない」などの任天堂に対しての敬意のない発言をしています
その上ポケモンのデザイン等をコピーしている
恐らく社長がこのような敬意のない発言をしなければ、任天堂は訴訟をしなかったでしょう
例としては「原神」というゲームはゼルダに非常に似ていて、特許権での訴訟自体はできる状態にありましたが、任天堂はそれをしませんでした
なぜならmiHoYoは任天堂に対しての敬意や態度が非常に謙虚であったからです
今回の件はパルワールドの運営会社の側に多くの非があると思います
ただ、どちらも日本の会社ですし、好きなゲームなので早いうちに和解できることを願っています
What i can see are, global worrying about precedent for more patent abusing, japan "if they're not humble, they will be humbled", it's not the first time japan media having to deal with cocky arseholes from the western, anime is the biggest example from the beef between Ghibli and Hollywood in the past to the recent localization drama. "Pocketpair is a small indie game company based in Tokyo", man... that phrase really put more oil into the fire, they're in japan where patenting and copyright are of the strictest.
This is so depressing, I kinda get where they're coming from, but more importantly I just cant believe they're supporting the idea of patenting game mechanics. That's like the greediest thing they could do! How'd they like it if an American company patented turn based RPG games!
If patenting game mechanics wasn't a thing, any AAA studio with hundreds of millions at their disposal could poach devs from any successful indie studio and remake any successful indie game with 10x the features and polish within a year.
Stealing is bad both ways, not just when bigger companies do it.
A lot of people here are talking about social conditioning towards hierarchy, but I'm finding that westerners and especially americans are socially conditioned against success. If someone or something is big or rich or even just well adjusted, they're inherently morally lesser than the ones who aren't and everyone is morally justified in stealing from them.
If Pocketpair had made pokemon, Nintendo copied it and then Pocketpair sued them in the same way, I think you'd be on their side just because Nintendo is big and Pocketpair is small and how dare big bad Nintendo steal from this precious little baby.
It's not right.
@@_Ikelos You say that like they haven't.
@@_IkelosValve, Blizzard, Activision, Etc. didn't patenting their game mechanic and we still got a good game from any of them back then including something like Undertale, Hollow knight from indies and these are AAA company from 2000s when competition is extremely high as well why? And we still got a good game from them well like Half life alyx, DotA2, Deadlock and so on Space marine 2 just released as well you are talking nonsense here and patent video game mechanic shouldn't be a thing ever.
n Japan, the court system is different from others, so you don't understand. In Japan, even if you want to sue for a patent, you can't.
@@mato4876then how is Nintendo suing for a patent lol what
So the jist i got is:
US: This is unjustified
Japan: This is disrespectful.
More like...
West: Nintendo is unjustified.
Japan: Palworld is disrespectful to Nintendo.
@@psyburn21 yeah, more or less.
Basically. The US court system is a lot of things, but it is not fixated on tone-policing and our patent law, while in dire need of improvement, is less bad in this department. You can't patent a game mechanic, you can patent your specific implementation of a game mechanic.
@@psyburn21in Japan is about protecting the big guy. Meanwhile, in the West, the little guy is almost always right.
@@bltzcstrnx The US also has a lot of corporate shills, I say after watching all the Disney drama the last 7 year
Summary of explanation: Social conditioning.
Yep, Confucian philosophy to be exact
That's Chinese.
Japan's economy is on a downhill trajectory, yet they still want any kind of success by local companies to be clamped down on by an aging giant instead of having growth lols.
Laws must be obeyed no matter what. Socrates's "bad law is still a law" and drinking poison is a example that must be followed. That's what I know from them for DECADES.
@@NTBXP1 Laws change and instances like these are where change is paramount. If they don't, it'll bite them in the backside later down the line.
@@NTBXP1 The thing is unless Japan is literally a Law shithole this won't fly.
Nintendo can't say "we have this patent here and haven't enforced it in 17359 different games from 359Japanese gaming companies but now we want to sue only palworld!!!!"
Just writing this the absurdity comes out shining. But will become a good precedence for the other shit patents that are similar in absurdity
Aging giant lmao Nintendo just sold 145 million switch and 1 billion software in the last 8 years.
Dont worry the military will take over again.
Nintendo suing palworld over patenting broad gameplay mechanics (some made after palworld launched) that a lot of other games have instead of the models is just greedy. That like if someone patented the gameplay of jumping over a dark bottomless hole in the ground in a 2d space. You could sue almost every Mario and Kirby game made.
I copy from my comment but i used something similar but IRL:
Lets assume you are the first person IRL to ever jump or saw people do it and patent it anyways
1. Learn to jump
2. Patent jumping (on hold til 5)
3. Allowing 99 humans to jump
4. now the 1 human you don't like jumps as well
5. you get mad and patent jumping (doesnt matter if at 5 or 2)
6. You sue the 1 guy that jumps but allow the other 99humans to keep jumping
7. You lose = everyone can jump freely now// you win and everyone is patenting every single bit they experience/learn in bad faith and there will be no cool games now.
(this is absolutely bad faith anti competitive behaviour from nintendo and shouldnt even work in asia for F sake)
This would mean that unless get entirely different games every single time, we will forever play nintendo. Idk we could have every genre exactly 1 time with no overlapping mechanics, how retardet would that be
Imagine if Ubisoft patented the idea of climbing towers to get vantage points to unlock POIs on a large, free roam map, as well as several open world mechanics. WB would never have been able to make Shadow of Mordor and then patent a system in a game built off of the back of Ubisoft game design.
They did.
Most of these companies do have these patents. They don't enforce them against each other as a gentleman agreement. However Nintendo is picking a fight with pocketpair who may have Sony and Microsoft coming to bat for them.
The weird thing is now that Poketpair spoke out against them about it. They could get sued and lose for damages to the Nintendo brand due to bad press. If you go to a restaurant and provably get food poisoning and tell people about it lowering their business. The Japanese legal system will side with the restaurant for the bad publicity.
僕の個人的な意見として任天堂が何をしたいのかわわからんけどパルワールドtwitterでの大企業がインディーゲームをつぶそうとしてくるっていう発言には違和感がある、任天堂って基本的にインディーゲームにやさしいしそれこそ訴えなんて起こさないし、パルワールドの製作者はポケモンのデザインなんざAIでも作れるwって言ってる
I think PocketPair's game was questionable but ultimately something that should be allowed. Now that they are trying to make Palworld some kind of IP that shows up elsewhere and possibly a TV show, that's taking it too far and I am agreeing with the JP audience
When we see what patents appear in the lawsuit, then I think there may be a slight shift in opinion. Depending on which patents Pocketpair is being sued for, I suspect there was an act of maliciousness on GameFreak's part, but we will see.
It really depends on what patent was infringed and how it was infringed.
Like, if pp did infring on a patent but the patent in question is super broad and/or other games also infring on the patent, its just going to look bad on Nintendo.
All PalWorld has to do
Is change the method of capture
So now what they need to do is make a 40mm rotary eight shot grenade launcher that captures the pals. You get various sorts of capture capsules that plunk out and wallah.
It's not the capture method that Nintendo put a pat on.
Yes, but the wording is so vague...
They don't actually. They can point out that Pokemon came out in 1996 and any concepts in it are too old for patent protection. If Nintendo tries to focus on Arceus doing ball throwing in 3D or some stupid shit they can invalidate that part of their patent simply by pointing to Craftopia doing it *before* Legends Arceus did it. I assume prior art is a valid defense against patent in Japan just like it is in America.
@@deedoubs And pokemon stole the capture method from Ultraman's capsule monsters, they originally wanted to name Pokemon capsule monsters but were C&Ded
No, no one should be allow to patent a game mechanic
And also change the pal that looks similar to Pokémon, and they are good
Ryuuku, people in Japan forgetting that Nintendo themselves are stealing other creators' ideas for their patents.
That is something what happened to Pixelmon Mod C&D in 2017. 2018: cubic Pokemon in Pokemon Quest released; 2019: wild Pokemon roaming in the fields of Pokemon Sword&Shield; 2022: throwing pokeballs down the crosshair in Pokemon Legends Arceus - that was nabbed from Pixelmon Mod, too!
Nintendo can't do anything wrong, they don't even know the word "stealing" . Please give Nintendo your name and adress and open the door for the Ninjas, thank you.
A lot of Japanese people feel that mods building off Pokemon IP are also, in essence, owned by the original content creator (ie. Nintendo and the Pokemon company) so even then it wouldn't make much difference in the eyes of Japanese people.
@@ryuukusensei Then, there is an existing term for that: the duckling syndrome.
Give us evidence. If it's just opinions, why would court cares?
@@QuantumChrist I present you the evidence. The evidence of your legal guardians granting you an internet access roughly five years ago. The Defence has concluded its statement, your honor.
And then there's Dragon Quest......Which Pokemon copy pasted a lot from........
Characters evolving into stronger creatures held on their belt by kids? Digimon would like a word
@@gcox99don't dislocate your arm with that reach, bro
I think it's finally time for International Nintendo Ban
People In Japan seem to forget they could have done this YEARS AGO yet only choose to do so now, and there are statements about Nintendo’s patents coming out AFTER Palworld’s release, so Pocketpair has a better chance of winning than they think, if the statements are true
As you say, The thing is unless Japan is literally a Law shithole this won't fly.
Nintendo can't say "we have this patent here and haven't enforced it in 17359 different games from 359Japanese gaming companies but now we want to sue only palworld!!!!"
It's just absurd people even defend this
I see Nintendo displaying a great deal of DISHONOR in this action, personally.
Nintendo themselves "took inspiration" from existing games to create Pokemon,... they're not creative geniuses that established the "catch monsters and use them as pets to fight other monsters" idea. People have used traps to catch monsters in games before. (Dragon Quest 5, Dragon Quest Monsters, Monster Rancher, and early Persona/Megami Tensei games)
The fact that Nintendo actually got a PATENT for something this ubiquitous is shameful - both on them for trying, and the government office that allowed it.
Monster Rancher came out in 1997, a year after Pokemon. Persona 1 came out the same year as pokemon. Dragon quest monsters came out 1998 as a spin-off expanding on DQ5's monster mechanics. Tamagotchi came out they same year as Pokemon and it's spin-off Digimon came out in 1997, they had hatching from eggs before Pokemon as breeding was introduced in Gen 2 which released in 1999. DQ5 and SMT came out before Pokemon. So some of the things Gen 1 stole from other places and others Gen 2 stole.
@@clarehidalgo Pokemon was 1996 (japan)
DQ5 was 1992
DQ Monsters was 1998 true, but built off DQ5, not necessarily Pokemon.
Monster Rancher was 1997, but games take time to develop, and would have been parallel to Pokemon.
Digital Devil Story Megami Tensei was 1987.
My point was that some things came out BEFORE Pokemon, and some things are just ubiquitous on the market, or in wide use, or are obvious mechanics (such as throwing a net at an animal... except they made them balls... wow, what a game changer!)
I'll respect pokemon again when they "Respect" their own games enough to include ALL of them. the graphics can be trash all they want, but if they have the most profitable IP in the WORLD and cant find the resources to include all of their creations, then that just shows just how much they give a fuck
Palworld just plagiarized the entirety of Pokemon. And that is Fact!
In the court reverse analysis will reveal footprints of bandits.
this patenting game mechs has 2 stop
I cant come up with a specific fix on the spot but you could probably make it so that if patents are infringed, you start paying royalties but like not an unlimited amount. Also patents should run out and the smaller the company the more leeway they should get. Sounds somewhat like what is happening but they probably need to tighten the rules and fine tune them
@@ayoCC Or just stop allowing patents of game mechanics.
@@EbonMaster I'd say it should be tested out and then we see how badly people are crying because ideas got stolen. I expect it not to happen that much nowadays
@@ayoCC Ideas are "stolen" all the time in the industry and honestly, its generally a good thing. How many roguelikes are there that play super similarly? How many Souls-likes? Heres a fun one, how many weird, nearly mechanically identical mobile games lol? How about shooters?
Like imagine if PUBG patented the BR concept and how much worse the shooter space would be for it.
@@EbonMaster yeah I think game mechanics is actually a good specific thing to excempt from patent laws.
Its not the case that inventors are being abused in this industry, and it's rather that developers need to keep up with industry standards. Those game mechanics should rather become industry standards than property of a single company.
Entertainment patents are a bit iffy anyways. Imagine if Adobe could copyright making cuts in videos or adding special effects.
Lots of people with opinions on where the lawsuit should go.
Personally, I’m just glad you could explain how Japanese gamers view this situation. Makes a lot of sense through their cultural lens.
Nintendo is protecting their IP. Japanese people understand that because Japan is the land of patents and copyrights.
There are ways to go about protecting your ip without threatening whole genres.
Or maybe just make a better game?
People in comments still don't understand what video about.
Imagine how silly it would sound if I told the Japanese how Toyota only exists because of the "grace" of Ford.
@@OspaykO Nintendo is only allowed to exist at the grace of IBM and apple
We haven't forgotten the bitterness of the Plaza Accord. Americans will go crazy when they hear that their companies did well under the Plaza Accord.
Here's how I see it. Nintendo let those copycats in Japan be because they don't have the potential and reach to grow outside of Japan and bringing down the legal hammer on them will hurt their reputation locally. You see, Pokemon is a monopolistic cashcow that needs very little innovation to satisfy their simplistic core audience. And the rise of PalWorld in the west and how quickly it grew, startled the sleeping giant (Pokemon) forcing it to run whether they like it or not.
I have a theory that Nintendo already anticipated the western boom of PalWorld because of the reception of Sw/Sh. And it forced them to come up with/change Arceus which, gameplay-wise, greatly departed from their previous games and in hopes of quashing their momentum. But hey, that's just my overthinking. I do wish they find a middle ground in all of this and work for the betterment of their customers.
I never really thought about looking at it from the Japanese point of view. This is very insightful
So japanese people are fine if the Nintendo overlords allow it but are against of having the freedom to do it by myself.
That Joystick thing is insane, they see Nintendo as the goood guy because they "allow" people such egregious patent but they failed to say that as soon as you start to stand out they can go against you for that bs patent. Thats contoll 101, pretty much stockolm syndrome as they get all those other devs as hostages with those patents.
Considering there is a post out there right now from a Nintendo analyst who said that Nintendo have thousands of patents and that they could have sued half of the game's industry back in 2017, not realizing that statement is enough for literally everyone out there to see that Nintendo is a blatant Monopoly in Japan thanks to Tokyo High Court, and would have any of these "patents" they own invalidated had they brought it to court in the EU/US. Japan approves patents for just about anything, while most other countries have restrictions on overly broad things.
Perhaps it's less a 'nintendo-fanboyism' but a much deeper philosophical & cultural level.
In the west, we have a culture whose philosophy says the best ideas rise to the top in the free marketplace of ideas.
This applies to everything from products (games) to speech.
So our natural response is "Nintendo should just make a better pokemon game". Competition breeds excellence.
Maybe they don't look at things the same way idk.
Yeah that seems to be the case honestly.
Pokemon wasn't even the first creature capture game. It was also heavily inspired by Dragon Quest.
If ya wanna be consistent with logic, technically Square Enix allowed Nintendo to become the gaming giant it is today!
Imagine if they sue WoW for having battlepets and pet battles.
I LOVE PALWORLD.
That is all.
Always appreciate you Stix!😆
Lets assume you are the first person to ever jump and patent it
1. Learn to jump
2. Patent jumping (on hold til 5)
3. Allowing 99 humans to jump
4. now the 1 human you don't like jumps as well
5. you get mad and patent jumping (doesnt matter if at 5 or 2)
6. You sue the 1 guy that jumps but allow the other 99humans to keep jumping
7. You lose = everyone can jump now/ you win and everyone is patenting every single bit they experience/learn in bad faith and there will be no cool games now.
(this is absolutely bad faith anti competitive behaviour from nintendo and shouldnt even work in asia for F sake)
Maybe Pocket Pair should transfer all assets to a US corporation (that they made) to get out of the Japanese legal system. Their business is primarily outside their own country, isn''t it?
Japanese fanboys are so mad that they didn't get a Pokemon game like Palworld; they are begging Nintendo to crush it. Nintendo could make enslavement camps and Japan would be like "but they got permission from the courts it is fine"
Uh, palworld is made by a Japanese company, so it's more like the Pokémon fanboys that is.
Well its kinda correct when they mentioned Pocketpair dragging other indies into the mess. They should have just said things regarding themselves.
@@su3t So if any indie team gets their games onto major platforms are they no longer indie? Palworld is by no means AAA. It is still jank AF, and AA is a stretch.
How does describing your company implicate other indie devs? Can indies devs no longer they say they are indie or they "drag" other companies to associate with them? What kind of of round about logic is that?
Just say you don't like pocket pair instead of this fake outrage.
@@su3t then what if Nintendo start suing every other game in the genre, how do indies protect themselves if Nintendo keep winning cases like this and took over whole genre?
@@BadEnd98 Not only nintendo, this would most likely trigger Major componies to do the Same and prettu much killing the Indie Market
You can pretty much tell that PocketPair is pretty much a "westerized" Japanese company.
THIS is the video I've been looking for. Someone actually talking about on the other side-Japan's side. I've read comments from japanese players saying the same thing but a video does it even better. Thanks you sir.
the nintendo glazing hs 2 stop
And plagiarizing Nintendo Ip should be stop too.
The character you showed is bushi and bushi noct which are both from palworls
I don't understand these japenese nintendo fans
As Toxic as American Nintendo fans.
Nintendo fans are the exact same obnoxious weirdos anywhere you look. It's just so happen that there's way more of them in Japan out of all places. Even in my country in SA, there's lots of nintendo fans who think and say the exact same words, almost like a cult.
To quote Joseph Joestar "I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THE JAPANESE"
We will never forgive the bombs.
im not japanese but it seems like their statement was simply misworded and inturn the japanese public misinterpreted things and overall has a prior bias favoring nintendo. it's the equivalent of disney taking on a tiny startup
They don't have a bias, they have brand loyalty. Pretty huge in the east.
@@Exigty that's just the same thing, worded differently
@@gusty7153 I'm dumb bruh, 3 am brain taking a toll on my brain
It's way more the bias than miswording. I think their wording was fine, but much like an upset girlfriend Pokemon schlong suckers are making excuses to hate something that isn't the brand they like. And I don't even like Palworld that much. I couldn't really get into it. Maybe I'm just exhausted on survival crafters, idk. To me, it is what it is. If you like classic pokemon more then play that. I don't believe Palworld deserves any of this.
@@GamePlayuh9510 and i like palworld specifically because i like pokemon. but nowadays i only like the concept and identity, and want to see something like it on PC. and also its weird because palworld isnt really a threat to the pokemon brand to begin with.
It’s not about Japan being different, it’s Nintendo’s approach to patents that everyone gets wrong. Nintendo has hundreds of patents related to Pokémon alone and lets others use freely (their intent is to avoid cases like Nemesis system and protect industry-wide freedom). That’s of course if you play nice and be respectful to each other, which Pocketpair certainly isn’t.
You're the only person I've seen so far, who mentioned about this difference between the West and Japan.
As a Japanese, I found it really interesting how different that people reacted to this news depends on their culture, too. And I'm almost 100% agree with your idea saying 和、謙虚さ(being humble) is really important in Japan so people didn't like PocketPair's behavior.
One thing that makes me sad is the difference of perspective could make some sort of hate, which should never happen because it's just their problem, not ours, why the hell people are fighting each other.
Anyways thank you for the video! Learned a lot!
日本だと、調子に乗るやつは嫌われがちなんですよね…笑 結局外野がやってるのは好き嫌いの問題なので、日本の法廷でどう裁かれるのかが見ものですね。場合によってはポケットペアは海外に出ていくのかな。
I don't like people who play the victim card either.
Because nintendo is attacking a product that I paid for that is in development. Nintendo isn't doing this to protect anything they are specifically going after pocketpair out of spite.
How many nukes do you need to understand? :v
@@LowlighttThis is my thought too, it quite literally is the problem of anyone who actually likes the game, even if Pocketpair does win this will negatively impact the game's development. I don't have much sympathy for the Japanese's concept of respect towards a giant, litigious corporation whom decides to go after something that I spent my money on and have been having fun with. Nintendo needs to stay in their lane and make better games, not throw a temper tantrum.
how is that not my problem when my future game cant even throw a fking thing on a fking being so that it is fking captured and get released whenever the fk i want, just because i dont own a fking trash console that can't even run zelda barely smooth?
The Japanese can't seem to grasp the gravity of the situation, if Nintendo wins this it will be used as precedent to stifle innovation and corner the market as much as possible until the entire heart and soul has been squeezed out of it, as corporate as it gets. Big L opinions.
after nintendo won the colopl case and the rune story global servers shut down, they launched dragalia lost, a rune story ripoff
....is this true?
@@JDReC100 look for gameplay for white cat project (rune story) and compare it to dragalia lost's
But as far as I am concerned, you cannot favor one company over another when it comes to upholding your patent and copyrights; you have to make an agreement with the company if you want them to continue using it.
People trying to say this is a good thing don’t realize there patents stretch outside the Genre, meaning there so loose they can Sue ANYONE if this is upheld we may NEVER see another Good Monster Catching Game till the patent expires and even then. Nintendo is grabbing for power just like WB and there Nemisis system far load of shit that turned into
It's not about the patent. It's about the message!
Nintendo should be DONE sue towards Genshin impact STAMINA system climb and running earlier patent infringement case BEFORE GLOBAL RELEASE OFFCIAL Worldwide especially Ongoing game
Nintendo only sues small indie developers and community projects.
@@bltzcstrnx Nintendo DID NOT sue China Big company after Fanmade game than Zelda clone games
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 That's what I said. They only after small indies and community projects. Also, some charity projects, at least from what I've read online. As far as I know, Nintendo never tries confronting a company their size of larger.
@@bltzcstrnx Nintendo don't want small organizations make game wanted money necessary instead maximize revenue like Apple?
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 At least Apple has the guts to fight against companies their size.
Namco patented a mini game loading screen mechanic.
Now no one can have mini game loading screens without getting sued by Namco.
People complain about static loading screen wait times.
....But in Japan I guess it's okay because Namco has a patent. So we can suffer in peace, because a big corporation dose not have to worry about competition.
It's good a example of the the Japanese work culture to blame. You have to be submissive to the companies/organizations that benefited the community the most, or longest time regardless if they are harmful to the community. Don't bite the hand that feeds you even if the food is toxic.
This is the same company that had to fight Universal over the copyright infringement on the name "Kong", now wants to press their thumbs on smaller teams- and PocketPair is still a small studio. If Palworld loses, the future of indie games can be at risk.
Everyone should reply to these people with the side by side of dragon quest monsters and 1st gen Pokemon along with the release dates of both games. See what they have to say about blatant theft then.
So basically how dare Palworld get cocky and challenge the monopoly of our national hero Nintendo? Lol. If it were truly about copyright I would understand the stance a little bit more but they seem to completely ignore that it's about really far fetched arbitrary patents made to keep their monopoly on the genre instead. Can't say I'm surprised but still disappointed. Palworld should maybe just move their company to the west.