Jack the Ripper: The Evidence for Guilt. Part Two
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This is the second episode where Edward Stow examines the trail of guilt pointing to Charles Lechmere as being the man known to history as Jack the Ripper. He recaps the first ten Red Flags that point to this suspect as being responsible for the murder of Polly Nichols, in the early hours of the morning of 31st August 1888. He then goes on to identify seven further damning Red Flags, along with discussing the police investigation up to the end of the Polly Nichols inquest.
To be nearly caught on this first murder and then to commit at least 4 more murders speaks a lot about this man's character
Psychopathic serial killers are notoriously narcissistic. They think they are smarter than everyone else. They are definitely intelligent enough but not the geniuses they think they are.
Dear Mr Stow, I used to work s a genealogist. About 10 years ago my services were employed by a man who had held a notable public position in one of the counties. In chatting on the phone he said his mother, who was in her 90's, said the family had connections with the Jack the Ripper story, but he didn't have the details. Just something for me to keep in mind.
When I saw the Scandinavian journalist's documentary about Lechmere in c.2016, I immediately recognised the name. My client's mother's mother's sister was married to Lechmere's son, so Lechmere's son was her uncle. (I have just found out the old research to check the connection). Both died together with their son in the Bethnal Green Tube tragedy during WWII.
I only mention this because you said that the family were unaware of the Ripper connection whereas this may not have been the case at all. It seems unlikely that my client's mother in her 90s would still have been in contact with the Lechmere descendants and for them to have drawn her attention to the publicity around Lechmere's emergence as a suspect, but more that she may have been told about it when she was younger.
That is interesting
I'm so convinced that Charles Lechmere is Jack the Ripper, I'm not accepting anymore suspects....thank you 😏
Ed, this is legitimately the best thing I’ve seen on UA-cam for many years. Fantastic content, please keep it up!
He is the definitive expert on Jack The Ripper. And of course Krister Holmgren.
@@jamescorlett5272 If you don't like the truth... go elsewhere. Toodle-oo see you later and shut the door.
Your investigative skills are amazing, I once heard a detective say they don't go into an investigation trying to prove that an individual is guilty, they follow the evidence to a specific person and can not prove them innocent. I feel that you have done so in this case, so interesting
I very much appreciate the continued uploads/updates for The House of Lechmere channel. Wishing you all the best Edward. And thanks as always to your camera-operator too.
Such a treat to see Part 2 tonight. Red flags: the biggest of course is that he was WITH THE BODY, he tells PC Mizen that he is wanted by another cop and doesn't mention a dying woman, and he gives a false name at the police inquiry. Also, it's very fascinating that he was never associated with JTR within his family oral tradition especially coming from the area. Don't you think that this would have been discussed within his family considering how famous this case was? I'm looking forward to the next video as I'm really enjoying this series. I love how you take us to the actual places, so interesting. Great job!
yes . even the name CHARLES ALLAN CROSS should have rung some bells with someone . maybe it was just accepted that he was an innocent bystander / witness and then forgotten but who knows ?
maybe it was kept hush hush but that is also hard to believe .
@@TiaMargarita : no , i meant in his family and people who knew him .
@@philipskalla4312 Lechmere never used the name Cross. Why would he? Cross wasn’t even his stepfather. He was just another bigamist husband of Ma Lechmere. Ma Lechmere aka the Horse Ripper!
@@philipskalla4312 Lechmere had no alibis for any of the murders. Every murder occurred when he was not at work.
Everytime a new video comes out it makes me want to watch the others all over again. It’s brilliant work Ed!
I have only just found this, youtube site and have watched them all on a binge watch! I want to go back and rewatch now.... I will soon...
@@Lunabracco the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Ed and Mr Holmgren solved it. I highly recommend the book, “Cutting Point”.
@@davesmith7432 I have just ordered this, book also a copy for my daughter and my sons ex girlfriend Both avid true crime watchers...! Christmas Presents, Have also sent my daughter the link to the youtube channel! I am ready to rewatch again, I need to watch and take notes, I think what also makes Edwards channel even more fascinating is, the true life walkthroughs of the crime scenes, and the back and forth...
Hello Edward, I came across your youtube a couple of days, ago, I am so glad I did! I have found this, the most informative Jack the Ripper videos around, I really love how, you do your recaps, and how you walk round the crime scenes, I must admit I binge watched, when I came to the end, I couldn't wait for this one, I know I will rewatch this over again so I can get it straight in my head.. I do wish they hadn't changed road names! Keep doing what you are doing I love it.. Also really enjoy hearing about the other murders (unheard of)
@@jamescorlett5272 Who has been doing recaps for twenty years?
@@jamescorlett5272 leave Susan to make her own mind up. She doesn't care what you think.
These are brilliant and extremely convincing. As I’ve said before I’ve no doubt Charles lechmere is the culprit- I’ve also seen before that should this be re-examined today the police would find him a ‘person of interest’. Would be brilliant if you could present these red flags to a serving (or retired) senior officer and interview them on it and discuss their findings / opinions and what they find indisputable. Would be a fantastic episode
Another masterpiece from Mr Stow. Incredibly informative, extremely interesting and a most thought provoking synopsis.
Thank you so much for your brilliant investigation Mr Stow. Very best wishes!!
My watch this evening... Well done Ed 🙏
Excellent video. It's amazing how easily some glaring details get omitted from official accounts and seemingly the wrong conclusions are made 'Fact'. The 'obvious' identity of the ripper being one since Lechmere hardly comes close to the fame of Druitt, Maybrick, Kosminsky etc. Keep up the good work, sir.
You are so right about other suspects being having more fame. Yet not one of them had any evidence against them yet folks used their imaginations and came up with scenarios that grabbed the JTR community. Out of 334, (I think that’s the number now), all but Lechmere could not be connected to the crime by evidence. Heck many of them weren’t even in London, and some like HH Holmes wasn’t even on the continent ! 😂
I want to know more about the cat food business. Seems like a good way to dispose of evidence.
kinda ironic too
reminds me of Robert Picton . fed ho's to his pigs
surely ed he gives the name cross and says hes the son of a copper . I,m a good egg . He does it to create a connection to the police , I,m of your folk .
good point
Amazing job Eddy truly enjoyed these great detective work these should be on TV great to see the history how it’s all changed people walk past and not even knowing all this.
Yes I doubt many nowadays around there know much about it
These episodes just keep getting better and better.
They really do get better and better. I like that he presents the facts. So many naysayers don’t care that he was discovered next to a freshly killed body!
It makes no sense imo that Lechmere after "discovering the body of Polly" chose the longer one of the available roites and walked on with Paul as he was already late for work. He did it because he wanted to know where Paul worked. The next murder took place near the place Paul worked as a carman.
lechmere was trying to set Paul up for his newspaper statement .
obviously he maybe wasnt that late or was just unconcerned .
Why would he want to know where Robert Paul worked?
Ed, so well done, very professional. I learned so much from parts I, II. Your mini-series (and all previous videos) are fast becoming a home-run derby!!!
Great work as always Mr Stow, looking forward to part 3. I would like to see you create some videos dismantling the cases against the top three or four other suspects. I appreciate this channel is about Lechmere and I agree he is the Ripper however I feel highlighting the flaws in almost all the cases against other suspects will only help people realise the overwhelming evidence against Charles Allen Lechmere and how strong it is compared to any other suspect.
In my view, 8-minute time difference is the biggest red flag.
@@mathewlawton8944 🤣
I really enjoy your videos. Lechmere is a compelling suspect, and your presentations are engrossing.
I travelled to each of the canonical sites several times in the 80s and 90s. It was good to experience London before all the changes since. Donald Rumbelow's tour was especially fascinating at that time. Of course, Lechmere wasn't on the radar back then.
Keep up the excellent work. I look forward to each new upload.
Great Video Ed!
About the red flags i can see two that are important.
The first important one is the Gut feeling Robert Paul had that lechmere was dangerous. And that is huge. He felt something was out of place.
Perhaps an even more important red flag is that those men did not know each other. It is not disputed that both men took the same route through bucks row every morning.(And probably in the afternoon back from work too). And we know that lechmere had been using this route for at least 2 months in late august 1888.
Yet robert and charles did not know each other. Even by sight. When you take the same route as another person, you get to know him /her. Yet they had obviously never seen each other or it would have transpired in their testimony. And Paul would not have been afraid of Lechmere when he saw him coming at him.
Now it is perfectly normal that they did not know one another, as they probably started their work day at the same time but lechmere workplace was way farther so he used the streets a good 15 minutes prior to Paul.
Which means something exceptional happened that very morning that made Lechmere to still be in buck's row when Paul arrived. And being late is not just acceptable as they were both late.
This red flag is complementary to the one that they had not seen or heard each other that very day while they were supposed to be following each other, according to lechmere testimony that when robert Paul arrived, he had just crossed the strwet to investigate what he saw as a tarpolin. But still this is a very different argument as it relates to the days prior where they had never seen each other either.
By the way is there any description of Robert Paul. What was his age?
I agree. When lechmere saw Paul approach a normal innocent person would be more vocal and dramatic. PAUL said he approached lechmere and decided to cross the road and it was only when he had started to walk past that lechmere tapped him on the shoulder. I just think this was a bit odd. Too casual from lechmere
Can I compliment your brilliant research for this..I've wondered before if the man who 'discovered' the body in Bucks row was in fact the ripper...but this is by far the best and most detailed investigative film I've seen on it! Lechmere it seems created a lot of confusion around exactly what the sequence of events was..a clever tactic if you consider he must have been improvising all the time..and it worked
Psychopathic serial killers are a narcissistic lot. They are excellent liars and they think we’ll on their feet. They are intelligent enough but not the geniuses they think they are.
Thats Someone who does the research and shows the Facts. Another Channel thinks Lechmere is innocent because Nichols hand was cold to the touch so she must have died along time, anyone even alive out at that time would have cold hands let alone dead. Thanks Edward always interesting.
To all the doubters or naysayers who disregard Lechmere as a credible suspect, can you actually place any other suspect at, around or near a victim or crime scene? I believe Lechmere is guilty and quite how he was overlooked is baffling. He has no alibi for what time he left home that morning and the fact he was disturbed by Robert Paul explains Polly Nichols lack of injuries and her dead body not being 'displayed' like the others. The knowledge and explanation in these videos is top quality, gotta respect Mr Stowe.
You have hit the nail on the head! I think the suspect count is up to 335. (?) Every suspect except Lechmere is built on assumptions.
@@mathewlawton8944 😂
A nice surprise after i was contemplating what to watch. Great video Edward.
@@mathewlawton8944 Waiting for your video on Robert mann matty lad.
Yeah come on Matty lad where's ya video on Robert Mann.
@@susanclapp1721 My first laugh of the day lol (just got up)
@@mathewlawton8944 Well hello matthew. I see you brought your foul mouth and angry nonsensical criticism once again. Any chance that you will at least attempt to make an adult comment?
@@susanclapp1721 So good for Mathew to join us again! I need a good laugh. 😂
I believe this shows a sound insight into Lechmere's thought processes.
"Hide in plain sight" is how I would describe it. I've seen other people do it. Indeed once, as a small boy, I and some others trespassed into a shop yard. No damage was done but the owners called the police. All the others ran away but I decided to stroll away looking unconcerned. The result was that the police ran straight past me in pursuit of the other boys. Reverse psychology of a simple kind.
Just act innocent. It's a common but effective strategy.
When seen near the body, Lechmere must have done some quick thinking. Running away wasn't an option. Sure to be caught. Sticking around and acting innocent was.
The deviation from the quicker route to work and showing up at the inquest shows deliberate disassociation from one locale and equally deliberate association with a legitimate process. Very sly. It will be interesting to see whether there's a continuation of Lechmere's thought process with regard to the other murders. As a friend of mine once pointed out:
"All evil runs in a straight line".
Implying that you can analyse and predict the thoughts and actions of someone up to no good.
We shall see.
Well done Ed Stow. Whether this investigation is the final word on the Ripper we cannot yet know, but it's fascinating stuff.
“Hide in plain sight”. Perfect. You had that experience, I did and I venture to say that most folks have also. Here’s one of mine. My sister, some cousins and I were lighting illegal fireworks. I’d say we ranged in age from 10 to 16. Predictably, a police car arrived shortly and this was our “hide in plain sight” moment. Run or play innocent. Running would have been the absolute worst decision. We played cool. “Hi officer.” “You seen anyone lighting firecrackers? We looked them dead in the eye. “No sir.” “Nope”. “Maybe the next street?” They took off. Of course we were pleased with ourselves but we had learned a lesson. Pretense innocence, lie and escape suspicion. OR. Run and get caught. Now maybe we wouldn’t all get caught but I guarantee you that we would have told on the rest. We were just regular kids, not regular liars. We probably would have cried while snitching. (Maybe not my 16 year old cousin. 😉 )
i also believe Lechmere was waiting to see what reaction he was going to recieve from Paul and how much he actuially see when he noticed him walking down Bucks Row , if Paul indicated he knew or see Lechmere slain Polly he may have killed him also.
I don't think any conclusion drawn here will be the final word. There will be speculation (as always,) and others with their own theories upon who the culprit was. I myself have four (4) other culprits in mind - The Elephant Man - Soldiers based at the infantry barracks near Old Street - Oscar Wilde - and maybe even the Vicar of St Barnabas church.
@@philipskalla4312 Of course. Its unthinkable that someone who has just committed a bloody crime would hang around the scene. I mean, its just asking to be caught.
@@philipskalla4312 Well, that tells you everything doesn't it? Common sense has been put in the dustbin, and replaced with the glue of confirmation bias.
Well done Edward excellent work I love your channel keep up your great work sir
Perfect treat for a Sunday morning! I can’t tell you how much I enjoy your videos, Edward. Your research is meticulous and you always present your evidence in a clear and engaging manner. I’m very much in the ‘Lechmere Dunnit’ camp, but in respect of the 8-minute disparity, I do wonder how much reliance can be placed on this given that individual timekeeping may not have been particularly accurate. Did most homes have a clock, or were they relying on church bells, the knockers-up, or similar? Essentially, I’d love to know how was each of the witnesses was telling the time. Thank you again for all your hard work! 😊🙏
Or perhaps one or more relied on a pocket watch? You'd have to wind that up yourself and such. So there's room for it to be off time.
I would sometimes set my time 7-10min too early so I'd get to school on time. Perhaps someone here was doing the same and forgot about it when accounting for the time? I've done that. Because you don't think it'll do much difference in the grand scheme of things.
I'm also dyscalucic, so recalling an approximate amount of time is difficult. If you asked me for how long I've waited somewhere I wouldn't know the difference between 5min or 15min. Under pressure I'd just guess somewhere in between.
Though at the time, a young man would've been deemed unfashionable to wear one. There's even a song at the time that sings about wearing a pocket watch with chain was kind of an old-man thing to have.
Perhaps if one of the parties involved were older or not personally trendy, they might've had a mismatch-timed pocket watch.
Knowing more about the other people would help giving context to who might be more likely to give the wrong time.
He and Paul had to get to work on time and both claimed to be late. There were mantlepiece clocks and watches in use.
If people knew theirvwatchnor clock was slow or lost time they made adjustments accordingly.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 fair enough! Sounds about right!
Could it be that Lechmere was sufficiently familiar with local police beats that he knew a constable would be arriving at the murder scene as he was talking to P.C. Meisen?
Great thought - that would mean that his lie to Meizen wasn't that risky after all and also he would have known roughly how much time he would have had with Polly before the next police officer was due to come down Buck's Row.
You couldn't time them that exactly
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 They probably randomised their beats precisely to prevent criminals from being able to predict them.
@@chrischibnall593
Yes i think so and they certainly reversed their beats
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I did not know they reversed their beats. Ty!
Also he probably went to hearing in his work clothes rather than something formal so that his family wouldn’t suspect anything. For all they know, it was an ordinary work day for the man of the house.
If I’m not mistaken, his story was never passed from generation to generation within the Lechmere family. The man kept it to himself. In normal situations, this would be like a grandpa’s spook story with even added fiction (“when i approached the body i could hear someone walking away.. i nearly saw jack”) while also something to boast to drinking buddies.
He did show up in his work clothes. But I wonder if he brought his bloody apron or did he have a clean apron. I suppose we will never know…
@@TiaMargarita he was the real “leather apron” ; a figure described by locals lurkin the streets wearing apron, mustache, scar on his face.. Visual enhancement also shows our ol chuck having scar on his cheek.
@@triggerskull There is zero evidence connecting Leather Apron to the murders. He was accused of being the murderer by sex workers who he had treated horribly. The police sincerely believed he was guilty and worked hard to obtain evidence. Unfortunately he had ironclad alibis. Even his accusers had to let go because it was obvious that he was not JTR. I do wish that he had been jailed based on what he did to those women.
@@TiaMargarita the whole John Pizer ordeal was a big misunderstanding, yes. What if there was a degree of truth regarding rumors of such a figure though and that, it was based partly on the observation of Lechmere?
@@triggerskull Nah, not based on anything Lechmere. It was the ladies that he abused who accused him immediately. Makes me wonder what he did to them while engaging in their services. Never mind, I don’t think that I want to know 😕
Hi Edward, this is your most coherent and objective video yet, very little conjecture and open to alternative possibilities, far better journalism, focusing on the detail. It is clear you view Lechmere as our man, but for me he remains one of the suspects, mainly for the reasons you have stipulated, I have thought those very same things, I have contemplated those very details as I know those facts as you know them as well, however it is circumstancial and we can never be sure, it would be good to uncover something concrete, maybe it will surface one day.
Good to see objectivity
Lechmere is indeed one of 335 suspects but he is the only one at the scene of one. Who of the suspects do you favor?
@@TiaMargarita There is no one we can be sure of, and Lechmere is not the only 'one at the scene first' all those who find the body could be a suspect, Louis Diemschutz, Thomas Bowyer, Edward Watkins etc. The suggestion Polly was freshly killed is conjecture we do not know that for sure, even Robert Paul testifies she had been dead a while in his opinion. There is no real evidence for Lechmere just conjecture. However I had concluded that the evidence points to someone 'like' Jacob Levy, James Hardiman, Kosminski - all rely on conjecture too but to me fits the profile and what we know a little more.
@@almklit There is zero evidence for Levy, Hardiman, and Kosminski. Why would you think they fit the psychopathic profile of a serial killer?
@@TiaMargarita There is not zero evidence. there is some circumstancial evidence, you should read about them. They are no more or less likely than Lechmere.
Excellent videos, I think you are right , the more I hear the more I am convinced lechmere is the man , keep up the good work and very much appreciated 👍
Another reason to give the name Cross, is the Police could have traced his previous residencies under the name Lechmere, and joined the dots to previous assaults and murders of Thabrum or assault on Smith etc
Waiting for parte 3. Great job
See the recent Netflix series on Jeffrey Dahmer. He also talked his way past police multiple times and made up excuses for his strange behavior. People object to the Lechmere theory by pointing out that he was a seemingly normal family man but so was BTK.
There are similarities to Dahmer and BTK. Critics judge Lechmere against a 'normal' person.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 BTK was seriously a creepy individual . even the dogs in the area were relieved when he was caught apparently ( he was a dog catcher , imagine how much fun he had there !)
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Dahmer thought fast on his feet. When an early victim escaped but could not communicate clearly, Dahmer had the police believing that the victim was drunk and that the victim was a willing sex partner.
@@TiaMargarita
Exactly
@@tjlee9901 BTK was an electronic technician who held a high position in his church. He was a loving family man. One of his daughters said that he was a loving father.
10/10 - This was great!
You welcome and I watched it all, and thankyou for doing this for us. It is a very interesting subject.
Interesting new slant on this 134 year mystery.
You might be barking up the right tree, Edward.
What sparked my interest is the info about one of Lechmere’s female relatives owning a cat food business. I would think that would give him access to some very sharp, heavy knives!
Perfect for severing a human head and disembowelling a body. If only the police had thought to search the two men who found the body in Bucks Row!
It was good ol Ma Lechmere who owned the cat meat business. The Horse Ripper
Was any murders committed after the "canonical five" that could be attributed to Cross/Lechmere, and why did he stopped killing at some point ?
There are more videos on this channel talking about it. You should check it out. :)
Yes... lots more videos to watch!
More outstanding work Ed. This is my favourite channel. I'll send you Whitechapel book when I get them and we'll catch up in new year.
I look forward to your next trip down here. I'll do a film with you if you are up for it
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 of course. Books at printers now. As soon as it arrives I'll send you one down.
When will your book be available?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Question: was the elder Mr. Cross a police constable before he died? I seem to recall hearing that somewhere but cannot place it. If so, wouldn’t that be an obvious Reason for Lechmere to give the name Cross? To try and gain the goodwill of the “thin blue line?”
Well Ed, I chanced upon you whilst drunk on Saturday night. Binge watched you most of Sunday. Finished watching you when I should have been working today! My only criticism is that I've watched em all. Gutted!
Really enjoyed your vids. Really compelling! I do have a question though: How come we've always been lead to believe that the ripper was a gentleman? Top hat etc? I've been in some really dodgy places in my life and I could never imagine a toff sauntering through the east end of London and not getting his throat cut or at the very least, a good kicking!
Anyway, thank you so much for all your hard work. Loved every minute. Cheers! 👍😊
Excellent.
Very interesting and very well put across
Loving the videos very informative and well done
Brilliant & riveting. Superb work!
The Latchmere family Dynamics seems to be very odd too, with bigamous marriages and him living near his mom till his late 30s and then like 2 months after he moves the killings begin? 👺
I'm really enjoying your fascinating videos Mr Stow - Thank you. Having had a interest in the case for many years (I own about 40 books on the subject) I'd like to ask a question if I may. We're starting here, logically, with the first of the canonical five, Polly; but I would love to know your opinion on the Tabram murder? Probably one of the 2 soldiers she was with, but I've always wondered.....
Watch my previous videos! They are all down to Lechmere... in my opinion.
Excellent film and a very strong suspect.Unfortunatly like with all the suspects the evidence is circumstantial but still very compelling. For the past 50 years i've favoured Druitt but Mr.Stow's put forward such a strong case that I find myself putting Lechmere/ Cross alongside him.
Druitt had no known connection with Whitechapel and Inspector Abberline dismissed the claim because there was no evidence to back it up. Why do I you lean towards him?
I like how u bring up all the issues in the red flags that most people don't think about the murders
He’s good at the red flag stuff. I’ve been a JTR aficionado since 1977 and none of the other 334 suspects have as many red flags as Lechmere. Some weren’t even in England and at least three of them weren’t even in the same continent.
Superb as usual. More red flags than an Arsenal match.
I’ve read in some news reports her skirt was at her thighs / knees. I feel had her skirt been any higher it was have more obviously been a crime scene.
I also think that the dress would have to be lifted over the abdomen to administer the cuts, and would have been pulled down over the wounds by Lechmere. I think when be became aware of Pauls arrival he quickly tidied up the crime scene as best he could.
Another great video though 👍🏻
Hey there Bob! Brilliant video, Edward’s outdone himself. I am soooo ready for Part 3! 🤩
@@philipskalla4312 I forgot about the knife? You are really stretching if you have difficulty knowing that Lechmere was not searched. Is it your assertion that at every single killing, JTR walked around with his knife showing? Can you consider the fact that every time JTR killed, he put his knife back in his clothing? Putting Lechmere aside, you really do believe that JTR would keep the knife out after each murder. That’s rich! 🤣
@@philipskalla4312 I feel that you do not understand that a murderer can step back away from the body. Let me explain. Human beings can step backward as well as forward. Does that help you?
@@philipskalla4312 Yes, I am aware of the knife, which Lechmere could have simply put in his apron pocket. I am also aware he was in the middle of the road. NOBODY claims he was standing over the body. He would’ve stepped back a metre or two as he heard Paul approaching.
@@philipskalla4312 My view is that he heard Paul arriving too late, Lechmere was likely facing the Board School direction, and Paul came from the other direction. I believe Lechmere would have had a short period of time to pull down Nichols dress and hide the wounds and step back from the body. It could have taken just seconds.
Very well ✔. Well explained! I learned alot myself.
Another brilliant episode!
Thank you so much for your passion and hard work to bring all this to us and cant wait for part three, it is like being privvy to a profiler, so enjoying your videos.
"Letch the Letch!" Lol. There are so many suppositions here, that everything points to confirmation bias.
Congrats! 3.6 thousand views in only four days!
Very good, meticulously researched!! 👏🏽
I think you are right on the money !!!
I really appreciate the work that you’ve poured into your investigation. I’d really like it if you did a post on why you think that so many people are fascinated by this case. How and why did you get involved?
Thanks again for all your careful work.
I think I asked this before on one of your videos, but did the proximity of a railway have any bearing on the Polly Nichols murder? The engine sound and smoke I mean. It never gets mentioned.
I don't think so
Absolutely fascinating, and at the same time unbelievable how this one man (Murder Suspect) slipped away from a crime scene.
@@philipskalla4312 If you say so..
@@philipskalla4312 Peter Nicholls has a right to his own opinion and it's now't to do with you.
A few Questions:
A.. Did Lechmere turn up at his workplace that morning ?
B. Was there evidence that the killer wiped clean his weapon (knife) on the clothes of his victim ?
C. Is it not reasonable to think Lechmere (if he was the killer) had upon his person the knife (bloody or
otherwise) at the time he was with Paul at the murder site & thereafter ?
D. Is it likely that Lechmere would commit a bloody murder ON HIS WAY TO HIS PLACE OF WORK,
knowing that his clothing might be bloodied from the act and might be obvious throughout his
work-day ? Cutting a throat might result in him being thoroughly sprayed with his victim's blood.
Lechmere didn't work in an office. He worked for a delivery company that specialised in raw meat delivery so blood traces on his work clothing would not get remarkable
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thanks for responding.
I guess Paul didn't notice any blood on him.....
You may get to this in a second. But I seem to recall somewhere hearing that his stepfather Mr. Cross had been a police constable. Wouldn’t that be a good reason for him to give the last name Cross. He could then tell any police officer who asked him any questions that he was the son of a police officer and thus try to gain some sort of goodwill.
You are absolutely correct. He wouldn’t want to give his name so why not someone that you knew with the bonus of being a police constable?
@@TiaMargarita the only problem is that I cannot recall where I heard that The elder Cross had been a police constable. I was hoping the author here could confirm. But if that information is correct it seems obvious. Wish he would have commented.
@@flintliddon You could have heard it from any number of ripperologists as it is an established fact. 😊
@@TiaMargarita Im surprised that gets ignored. It also leads to criticism of the police . Also, it could lead to an inference or suggestion that the police had a motive to look elsewhere besides Lechmere. If it was public knowledge that the son of a constable was the killer maybe perhaps the police force itself might get a blackeye?
Damn fine research!
Great video. I always look forward to them. Someone was wondering if Lechmere's daughter who stayed with his mother could have been pregnant. I said I don't think so? . It's more like she found something out about him or knew something, suspected etc.
The one thing for me is if Lechmere did it, wouldn't he have fresh blood on his hands and clothes, perhaps even his face. I also don't think a jury would convict him without some hard piece of evidence that would connect him to the murder, like for example the murder weapon being found on his person.
I don’t think Polly’s blood would stand out on Lechmere’s apron. After all it was stained with blood already.
Great analysis. However, it seems odd to me that Lechmere would choose to act at at a time when he would have to hurry so as to get to work. Isn’t it more likely that he would chose a time when he could enjoy himself? Of course, that would mean the risk of being caught without an excuse for being there. It is also odd that he wasn’t covered with arterial spray.
I’m also not sure that Lechmere necessarily ‘walked away callously’. He was a poor working man. He was probably more concerned with losing his job than sticking around because of a dead prostitute. Further, many East Enders of the period would have had good reason not to involve themselves in police business. Of course this isn’t to say that he isn’t a strong suspect.
There was no arterial spray as most victims were strangled first.
A man in Lechmere's position in life would have had few opportunities to be out and alone.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Where is the evidence that the victim in question was strangled first? Why would Lechmere have been unable to leave his own house?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Please don’t think I am denigrating your excellent work, I ask only for information.
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On strangulation - she had bruising around the neck, fists clenched and there was no arterial spray. The blood ouzed out of the wounds from gravity.
Edward, I may have missed it but if Paul & Lechmere we’re both Carman and walked the same or similar routes to work every morning at the same time with streets practically empty is there no chance they would have encountered each other before or known each other considering they’re both Carman too ? What more is known about Paul why was he so keen to talk to the Press instead of police? Thanks.
They didn't know each other
Lantern (arc. lamphorn) comes from the words 'lamp horn' - the windows in the lantern to shield the flame from wind were originally made from thin sheets of transparent, usually cow's, horn. Sometimes windows were crafted this way.
Can you do a video on the letters? Which ones you think, if any, are genuine and if any might be genuine, compare that against any known handwriting of Lechmere. Was he educated enough to write those?
I might do in the future!
i like to see an exploration into Lechmere leaving earlier than he stated and how and where he probably initially really met Polly , i don't think she ended up in Bucks Row by herself and then Lechmere stumbled on her by chance on the way to work she must of took him round there for what she thought would be a knee trembler .
I agree! As an intelligent psychopath, he would have allowed time to stalk, lure or whatever before the murder. I also have this strange little theory that perhaps he was at a pub at the same time, watching her. Choosing her. Following her when she left. BUT this is just my own creative scenario.
@@TiaMargarita Choosing her. Following her when she left.
BUT this is just my own creative scenario."
Nice.
@@localbod Thank you!😊
You do wonder how this man was never seriously considered or even questioned by the police as a suspect. Yes he was a bit slippery and manipulative but after the inquest by the coroner whose report the police would have had he was there to be seen in the evidence. His proximity in the crime scene with the body must have stood out I’m a little surprised it wasn’t noted by the coroner and the police would have had a presence in the court to notice.
JTR was on the prowl much earlier than the times the murders were committed. Has anyone considered that their were many, many times when JTR could not accomplish his tasks? He needed time to lure, kill, mutilate, stage and make a clean getaway. I’m thinking that anything can go wrong at anytime. Successfully luring the victim had to be problematic. For example, nights the women might be “busy “ therefore unattainable.
Good stuff
I believe it was reported that there were zig zag blood splats and a trail running toward Brady st. Could this have come from Lechmere when walking away from the body with Paul ? Guess we will never know.
Nice job Edward, I was looking forward to this video
It was just so brazen of Lechmere to murder someone on his way to work knowing that police were regularly patrolling the neighborhood. Then again that’s what psychopathic killers do. Great video Ed! Keep up the great work.
PS: Didn’t Lechmere write a book later in his life called “As It Happened”?
Psychopathic serial killers plan their murders. They are intelligent and their main goal is to commit the crime AND make a clean getaway. They want to keep killing so escape is planned for. They also lie cooly and believingly.
Lechmere wrote no book of any kind.
@@TiaMargarita I guess that you would have a signed copy of that upon your bookshelf, if that were the case. Wouldn't you, Sue?
@@stuartcertain6363 ?
@@philipskalla4312 You are using the word brazen and I like that. Humans have two immediate action responses. Fight or flee. Let’s look at the running away scenario. He runs. Paul sees him running but likely thinks nothing of it until he comes across the body. Thinking she is alive, he would have propped her up. The head falls back! Her throat is cut! Horror! Somebody stop that man! The police in both directions are alerted. Lechmere’s a goner. No more murders. JTR was a psychopath. Psychopath are excellent liars. If you ask them, they would say they were perfect liars. They are not. Psychopaths are thinkers. They do not want to be caught. Running means he will be caught. That is not a choice. Staying, playing the innocent, is the safest thing he can do. He can play dumb. He can refuse Paul’s suggestion to prop her up. He can go with Paul to find a policeman. He can lie to the policeman. I expect that you will continue to fight for Lechmere’s innocence with your dying breath. You have exactly two people thus far also desperately defending Lechmere with you thus far. Certain & Lawton. Lawton is exactly representative of your belief in Lechmere. As for me, I believe that any person at the scene of a murder is a suspect as do every other commenter on this post.
I wonder if Lechmere and Paul had ever saw one another walking to work previous to and after the murder. (since they had taken similar paths)
8.1 K Views! Hell yeah it’s Lechmere!
Thanks for telling us a bit more about his wife, beacuse I've been wondering for quite a while now.
Fascinating 🍀🇬🇧👍
I have followed all the HoL videos, including the ones with chess pieces, after watching various other JtR documentaries. You have me pretty well convinced it was Lechmere/Cross.
I think, considering all the facts and the many red flags, you really need to write a book that presents all of this in the great detail it deserves. Do you have a plan to publish?
Yes!
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You look it up. Sometimes im afraid I can't be bothered to spend too much time on you.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Annoying t**t but entertaining hey Edward?
@@PEMBYSGAMINGWORLD
Indeed!
@@mathewlawton8944 😂
Are there any hand written documents know to be from Lechmere’s hand? If so has there been any attempts on comparing his hand writing to the known «JTR» letters?
There are 114 documents confirming Lechmere only using his legal name. The letters have been discredited but it would be a fascinating study to do comparisons anyway.
Agreed!
There's a couple of things that have bothered me about this murder.
I may be wrong but didn't the police use whistles and shouts to alert each other of a crime scene? I don't think Lechmere got lucky that another policeman arrived at Polly's body. I think he knew the patterns and times of the police and therefore knew that by the time the other policeman got there the body would have been discovered.
There's been a great deal of research with serial killers. One of the commonalities is that they love to become involved in the case. I think Lechmere got satisfaction from providing evidence at the inquest and found out what they knew.
I hadn’t thought about suspects desire to be part of the process. What’s the old adage? The criminal returns to the scene of the crime. Something like that.
Robert Paul's story is a bit strange to me. Didn't he found Lechmere version strange? He walks along with Lechmere and hears him talk to PC Mizen. And tem leaves with him. Don't tou find that strange?
Great stuff!
The most likely explanation for the apparent indifference the police took towards Lechmere, is because Lechmere was a paid informant; part of a network of paid informant's that the police used.
The probability that Lechmere gave Mitzen a secret masonic sign, whilst he had his back to Paul, is likely; as is the likelihood of his indicating by eye and slight head movements, that he thought Paul very suspicious. It is also likely, that Mitzen returned the sign, and gave indication to Lechmere that he should stay with Paul for as long as possible.
That would explain why Lechmere went with Paul, instead of taking the shorter route to work.
Binge watching :)
Awesome
Another fantastic video. So many red flags against Lechmere that it seems ridiculous he isn't even considered a good suspect by some!! In the Polly Nichols case alone, there is surely enough circumstantial evidence to at least put him at the top of the list of suspects.
In regards to him giving his name as Cross, do you think he might also have figured that if the police ever did follow up or question him, then he could have dropped into conversation that his stepfather had been an officer - possibly making them more likely to take him at his word? Either way there are clearly lots of potential advantages to him calling himself Cross. Especially like your idea about him maybe being known to the local prostitues as Lechmere - particularly since it does lend itself to creating a great nickname!!
Yes Cross as a name had a ready made excuse.
He isn't considered a good suspect by some because they can't accept that 'Jack' could carry on living without continuing to do his ripping, regardless that the likes of Rader and DeAngelo didn't either. He may even have been the Thames Torso killer as well, as Mr Stow suspects.
Nifty tifter!
Great video, did Lechmere have any anatomical knowledge?
His family has a cats meat business which involved butchering horse meat.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407
Very interesting...so it's possible he would have the ability to take a kidney out for example. I think he's a very good suspect. Keep up the good work
@@simonjames4984 : im sure i could take out a kidney too
Love your cap.🙂
Amazing videos! Can’t wait for part 3. Quick question, kinda new to the ripper stuff, you said Charles wore his work apron to the police station. Could he also be leather apron? This may be a stupid question lol like I said, I’m new to this.
He wore his apron to the inquest whichnis slightly bizarre but it was not leather
From America, is inquest whichnis like an interrogation? Also, my studies in psychology would concur, you are spot on with someone changing their name. It’s the “smoking gun” in my opinion. Especially after he waited 3 days. And it wasn’t till after Paul said there was another person there.
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An inquest is a legal investigation, held as a court, into the cause of death.
Was it the norm to take down testimony like that, as if in the third person? It's never "I saw such and such," but rather "the witness saw etc "
It depends on the newspaper
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 : Oh, so no court recorder or stenographer. Strange
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 : Sorry, reposting this question as I left out the link:
Any truth that Kosminski DNA was found related to any evidence?
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They did take transcripts but they no longer exist.
Think you've solved the case!😃 All the other ripperologists will be fuming with jealousy!!!
Not jealousy but panic at the thought of the mystery being solved.
JTR is a business now. It is not in anyone's interest for the killer's identity to be solved.
If one wants to merely get to the truth then I can understand that, but once it becomes a way of living then any motivation to find the real truth disappears. Indeed, many people will prefer one suspect over another and would never change their mind even if someone else were shown to be guilty.
People are complicated and strange.
@@localbod This is exactly what i see also. They absolutely fall arse-over-tit to discredit this man's brilliant research. Their motivations are not simply about disaggreement but about what they stand to lose.
Not jealous but definitely fuming. Foaming at the mouth fuming!
The things the anti Lechmere's make up is incredible. I think they acctually enjoy all the insults they get. They are like a bad smell... they won't go away.
Why is there squiggle under Whitechapel Station?
Enjoyed both parts one and two but is there anything that hasn’t been mentioned in the Holmgren documentary? Even some of the phrases used like “red flags” and. “Jury wouldn’t like it,” are direct quotations. Good to see the places mentioned. Any independent research? The case is interesting but also, you have to admit, entirely, one hundred percent circumstantial.
Many serial killers are sentenced on circumstantial evidence because it is extremely difficult to have direct evidence. Someone witnessing the crime as it happened is direct evidence. Emotion killers are caught more easily in this way because there is no planning. No premeditation. Serial killers are intelligent and meticulous in their planning which explains why they are able to murder so many people before they are caught
Does anyone know of reliable info as to how common these types of murders/attacks were circa 1888? I've always thought it likely JTR had more than 5 victims. Lechmere is by far the best suspect, in my opinion.
Very rare
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thank you for taking the time to reply! I don't understand when someone says there is no real evidence against Lechmere. There is concrete evidence (including being at the scene of one crime!) to put him at the very top of the suspect list.
I find it strange the length's that certain anti Lechmere deniers go. To now say JtR could be PC Mizen or the Elephant Man is just so unbelievably funny. Suppose it takes all sorts.
Could it also be that Lechmere wore the apron to cover a bloodstain, tear, ect, that he noticed later in better light?