Thank you Preston for giving voice to our Palestinian brothers and sisters in Christ. That is so rare. I have me Palestinian Christians at the 2018 Christ at the Checkpoint meeting in Oklahoma City. What a wonderful time we all had together. How many America Christians even know any Christian Palestinians. Good churches should be inviting Palestinian believers like this brother to come speak.
Thank you for this. I am heartbroken realizing that I picked up propoganda along the way and never questioned it. I had no idea that this is a story so similar to what was done to the Indigenous people of our continent.
Exactly my thought. Reminds me of what Roger Williams said in the 1600s in response to colonialism: "By what right does the king grant a charter to land already owned by somebody else?" (paraphrase)
@@jrcase23 were the native Americans taken over by Native Americans who had been expelled/driven out by them centuries before... and some who had been there all along or intermittently. Not at all similar
Different place different case, Islam teaching got "Kuffour" for non-Muslim, especially Jews n Christians. AS being Christian, I got even We got very bad experiences been discriminated and prosecuted in most Muslim population country. The guy has no idea the core of the problem, Jew teaching is only for Jew as Christians have to understand that.
Christian evangelical here. I'm deeply sorry for how my fellow CE's support Israel without question because of their false eschatology. They mean well I suppose, they just are taught wrong things and do not study the Bible for themselves. Even when they do, they have so much brainwashing and it's hard for them to just read it as it is apart from that dispensational lens. My heart is with the Palestinians in this conflict. I'm doing all I can, especially online, to spread the word to these poor deluded souls, and praying I can reach some of them by the grace of God.
Great discussion. We moved to Qatar from the US and it’s amazing how sharp the contrast is in narratives. It didn’t take me long to realise that what I thought I knew about this issue in addition to what I thought I knew about the Middle East was far from what I was actually seeing/hearing/experiencing upon arrival. There’s so much left for us to learn when most of our lives we’ve only been getting one side of the story…
Preston, thank you so much for this sensitive interview of Daniel - you gave him ample time to share his thoughts and it was very informative. I am also of the Christian faith, and I am also a born-again Believer, which is a smaller subset of those who also claim to be Christians. My thoughts as a Believer, come from my Prayers to my Eternal Creator God, who I have asked to intervene in this intractable situation, according to Matt.6:10. Because of the sad history of events, I dont believe there is a solution that can be reached by the involved parties and allies. This one requires Almighty God's Sovereign intervention, because He alone knows, who, what, where, when, why, and how of this historic tragedy, and only He can miraculously solve the issues with His attributes of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience and Righteous judgements. As a Believer, this one will only be solved by petioning Eternal God with prayer and fasting. I ask all Believers who read this, to join with me in prayer for a miraculous 'healing of this land' and establishment of a just Peace that only Eternal God can bring.
Thank you. The entire situation is heartbreaking. I can't believe we as Christians have such a hard time holding such things in tension. The God we preach loves us to the point of death and yet holds us accountable for our actions. The same is true as a parent. I deeply love my children, but if I truly love them, I speak the truth about their actions and discipline them. 2 things can be true at the same time. We hold them in tension. We must do better.
Thank you both so much for this important, thorough-going, and eye-opening discussion! I'm sorry to say I never heard the in- depth history of Palestine-Israel before hearing the two of you - and I'm in my 60's and considered well-educated!
Just started listening, it breaks my heart hearing 1k children, and knowing how much worse it has gotten. This violence is unacceptable, praying for the Palestinian people suffering, also praying for the Israeli leadership to see their cruelty and chage their ways
I'm confused! I am a Messianic Christian. I have been a Christian since February 1989. Like Daniel, I too studied theology at the London School of Theology. I'm only two minutes in to this video but I am struggling with Daniel's claim that Israel only existed in the minds of colonialist (Britain) with the Balfour Declaration in 1917. Leaving aside the huge and complex subject of Zionism to one side because that is a huge subject even amongst Jews, some believing the land and State of Israel is existentially Zion, whilst other believe Zion will only exist with the coming of the messiah. But for Daniel to suggest that Israel only exists as a consequence of the Balfour Declaration, or the region being declared a State in 1948, is wholly inaccurate and unscriptural. The region was renamed Palestine by the Romans. Before this, neither Jew nor Arabs in the region were known and did not refer to themselves as Palestinians. Arabs living in the region did not begin to call themselves Palestinians until after Jews from across Europe and Russia began to return to Israel after the second world war. And did not become known as Arab Palestinians until 1967. Jewish people have been persecuted and expelled by numerous nations. You've only to read the bible to know how often they were exiled from Israel. They have been expelled from numerous countries across Europe and the world over thousands of years. The Holocaust during the second World War meant it was no longer possible for the world to turn a blind eye. I won't go into how Britain and other countries knowingly closed their borders, preventing Jewish people fleeing persecution in Europe leading up to the death camps in 1941. The point I wish to make is that as Christians, which should be our first love and identity, whether Jew or Palestinian, we should not engage in rewriting scripture, or the histories of peoples in an attempt to erase them from the land. If there is ever going to be any hope of peace, Christians, including Palestinian Christians need to acknowledge the right of Jewish people to settle in the land and turn to Christ for our identity and the solution. National identities, politics and unforgiveness only create barriers, whilst not forgetting that God in his wisdom made Jesus Jewish. Jewish people, Christians, whether Messianic or Arab, need to recognise that God called Abram (who became known as Abraham), telling him to leave his family and his land to go to a place God would show him. Where did Abram leave? He was called out of Ur, modern day Iraq, to become a great nation....a holy people. Galatians 3:28 tells us we are all one in Christ. At the same time, we know that Israel and the Jewish people are also important to God too.
You make some very insightful statements here and are asking great questions. I applaud your ability to see through the false narrative currently being promoted.
I agree with this. I don’t know if you have heard of or have listened to Masob Hassan Yousef but he is a Palestinian and has a great deal of first hand knowledge about the conflict between Gaza and Israel. He is on UA-cam and really has some eye opening experience. He loves both sides and is trying to help his people, the Palestinians. But he is unwilling to close his eyes to the real problem.
It's telling that this comment was written so shortly into the video. Your remark seems mainly about semantics and nomenclature and particular Zionist interpretations of scripture that are themselves disputed, as Daniel mentions. When and whether or not Arabs/non-Jews called themselves Palestinians; even if one accepts that Jewish people have a 'natural right' to this region, nothing justifies the systematic brutalisation, dehumanisation and dispossession of fellow image-bearers of God. Hamas' actions were despicable but that is sadly what can happen when a people are consistently denied their humanity. Some will react in inhumane ways. Even if using self-defence as a rationale, the Torah speaks of proportionality (an eye for an eye, at most) which the Israeli regime notoriously ignores. Christ said Himself that His kingdom is not of this world. It's sacrilege to justify colonialism in His name. Where is the denouncement of the Far-Right Netanyahu coalition or high level officials referring to Gaza as 'human animals'? As you said, we are one in Christ and that is our primary identity. By ignoring that non-Jews also occupied the region and were forcibly displaced in 1948 is to do exactly what you decry; it's re-writing history. No life or people group is more valuable than another. I implore Christians that if any theology, ideology, ethnicity or nationality causes us to advocate, be complicit with or turn a blind eye to the mass oppression and immiseration of a population by another, esp. one that has far more power, then it is an idol and we need to repent and return to the beatitudes.
“I am as likely to reject my people Isreal as I am to do away with the laws of nature. Just as the Heavens cannot be measured and the foundations of the earth cannot be explored. so I will NOT consider casting them AWAY FOREVER for their sins. I the Lord have spoken “ Jeremiah 31: 36
Dear Palestinian Christians we Muslims feel your pain and pray that God brings justice to all Palestinians and liberates the followers of his prophet Jesus Christ Amen
Level headed, factual, fair and May I say non political. Thank you Preston and Daniel. Having these discussions back on the global table are highly overdue. It is a tragedy tho that it took a massacre of innocent people for this to happen.😪 But sober discussions like this give me hope. Truth telling always carry seeds of hope and freedom, not just for some but for everyone. Thank you for your work. ❤🙏
What pod casters need to do is to start getting two sides on there and have them debate the events. One sided views are not going to lead to any understanding.
Yes true, I agree, Christ is fundamentally on the side of the oppressed on both sides Jews or Gentiles, Israeli or Palestinians. GOD has summed up His Commandments in two, to love Him and love our neighbor as ourselves. And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” (Mark 12:33 (WEB)
On May 26 1967, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser declared, "The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel." Together with other Arab states, he deployed troops and expelled UN Peacekeepers from Sinai. Six days later, Israel handed him his butt. When you lose a war of intended genocide, but you still continue violence, terrorism and rocket launches, guess what happens? YOU GET OCCUPIED UNTIL YOU BEHAVE PEACEFULLY.
Don’t know if you have heard of Masob Hassan Yousef but he was raised in Gaza and has a lot to offer information wise. He loves his people, the Palestinians but is unwilling to turn a blind eye to the actual facts. And he knows a lot being the son of a Hamas leader. His story is very interesting and will touch your heart. He is truly an amazing person!❤️
May the Palestinians ( Christians and Muslims and peaceful Arabic Jews) get their freedom back so they can live out their lives in accordance with their faiths unhindered by military occupation
Can you share the link to Daniel’s podcast? If I create a paragraph of all the resources he shared, could you please put them in your description? I don’t see the books like The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and other things he said in the commentary above. Thank you.
For me as an academic, I got really interested in Palestine 🇵🇸 after the incident of October 7th and I’ve been spending sleepless nights studying who are these people who I know very well are connected to Jesus Christ and I love Jesus Christ a lot because he was very smart and then this gentleman, your guest is very intelligent and knowledgeable about his own identity which I believe the current Occupation Project is finding it really difficult to erase and rewrite history! Oops😢
Thank you Preston for this video.The Real News Network channel did an excellent recent video Gaza vs Israel with Norman Finklestein as guest speaker for some more info of Israel's abuse of the Palestinians for decades. It would encourage Daniel to have some more support around him.
Daniel is correct when he says that only the gospel can change lives and bring peace to the region. Are Christians free to share the gospel in Gaza and the West Bank?
Of course they are free, yet they are not free to do that in Israel, do not you see what is happening to the Churches in Jerusalem and other places that Israel Occupies?
@@Nart-hx7nn Christians are free to proselytize in Israel, but not in Gaza. The Palestinian Authority prohibits proselytizing in areas under their control.
No it is not, it is the reverse of what you are saying, Christian are treated much better in Gaza than they are treated in Jerusalem or Bethlehem for example by the Israeli occupation forces. i bet that you never met a Christian in the region to ask him about this. @@terrycampbell4387
@danielbbannoura you stated that the Palestinians want Hamas out, and so does Israel. It seems like Israel and the Palestinian people have a common enemy. Why not evacuate to the south and allow Israel to eliminate Hamas. Why stay in harms way. No one wants civilians harmed. But it is Hamas that specifically targets civilians. Not just to take hostages for negotiation like you stated, but to slaughter them. They hide behind civilians, and launch their attacks from schools. They use all of the Palestinian resources on weapons instead of developing Gaza. Gaza is fenced in to keep Hamas out of Israel. We see what happens when Hamas gets into Isreal, they slaughter civilians. The blockade is also in place to prevent even more weapons from entering Gaza. This would not be necessary if the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel. You ignore these facts and make it sound like Israel does this just to be hateful. You stated several times that Palestinians just want to end the occupation. What exactly does that mean? It sounds like they want an end to Israel, not a 2-state solution. I agree with you that the only real solution is Jesus. However, it's really hard to preach the Gospel in Palestinian territory. I pray that this would all be over soon, and peace would come to the region.
Wow that was a lot to take in. First off, Daniel I am so sorry for your loss of family and friends due to violence from the Israeli government/army and from the conflict in the Middle East. I can't imagine the pain of that. I know 2 hours is not enough to get your full perspective on everything so if you have time to respond to this Daniel or Preston and I'm misunderstanding or characterizing points you have made, please push back and clarify. I'm not meaning this comment to be antagonizing but I am a brother in Christ who cares about the truth. For starters, what countries in the Middle East are you referring to that have multi-ethnic and multi-religious identities? Here's religion percentages in the middle east: -Gaza Strip: 99% Muslim -Iran: 99.4% Muslim -Iraq: 98% Muslim -Saudi Arabia: 96% Muslim -Egypt: 90% Muslim -Jordan: 97% Muslim -Kuwait: 99.9% Muslim -Oman: 95% Muslim -Syria: 87% Muslim -Turkey: 99.8% Muslim -Yemen: 99% Muslim I always have a concern when the argument, 'You can make the bible say whatever you want it to say' is brought up in response to a particular view of Scripture without giving Scripture evidence to why the argument is false. Most of the time from what I see, the people who say this are always the ones who discredit the most amount of Scripture, which ironically is picking and choosing what you want from Scripture. You can't just say, "you're wrong in your view because people use the Bible for all kinds of things". That's not an argument. Prove your standpoint from Scripture. Do you believe in 'Replacement Theology' or do you believe that many of the promises for Israel in the Scriptures will still be fulfilled? 46:30 I don't know if you meant this comment this way but it certainly feels like a not so subtle antisemitic jab at the Jews to suggest that Israel is just European Jews with a tone that they aren't true Israel. That is pure antisemitism and is consistent with the antisemitic, hate group called the Black Hebrew Israelites. 52:10 Daniel this is about as objectively false as you can be on history. You appear to be getting your American 'history' knowledge from fictional, reframings of history. If you are embracing everything taught at modern secular universities, I'd challenge you to come back to Scripture and hold what's said from university with discernment and suspicion. America didn't want independence because Britain didn't want them to own slaves. Are you just reading American 'history' from the 1619 project's fictional history or something as your source? Hannah-Jones is not a historian and her works are not based in any evidence what so ever or in history. Her 'history' has been debunked. Daniel, you keep bringing up that "it's your bias that makes you think that Jews are victims and Arabs are the aggressors", you have to admit you have much more reason for bias than anyone in non-Palestinian or non-Jew in America would have. I'm a Gentile. I'm not Jewish. It's pretty easy to see who the aggressor has been throughout history, and it's not the Jews. 1:05:00 Israel seems to mainly want the land promised to Abraham. How do you know they want to continue spreading? 1:06:00 "cancerous entity"...I'm sorry but this is really inflammatory language and honestly feels like it reveals bitterness and antisemitism. Do you believe like the Black Hebrew Israelites that the Jews in Israel are counterfeit jews? Just about 50% of the world Jewish population lives in modern day Israel. 1:11:00 This is definitely not historical fact. You can't own the evils of your own people and would rather try to blame your people's sins on Israel. Israel did not create and fund Hamas. They showed indifference to stopping the rise of Hamas but they certainly did not create Hamas the way you are saying here. They simply did not get involved as Hamas grew in power early on. Saying something is not a 'conspiracy theory' is not the same as giving evidence. I really don't think you should be blaming Israel on the actions and standpoint of Hamas. 1:19:30 Preston I would challenge that sometimes you make simple truths more complicated. 1:21:00 The barrier was built by Israel following a wave of Palestinian political violence and incidents of terrorism inside Israel during the Second Intifada. 1:28:30 Again, I don't think you can blame Israel for Palestinians support and votes for Hamas. 1:31:00 57% of Gazans express support for Hamas, and a study in 2021 said up to 77% of Palestinians support Hamas so it's inaccurate to say the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza do not support Hamas. 1:45:00 it is highly disputed whether the hospital bombing was Israel. 1:46:00 I have to make an objection to the argument about how you can't be against the LEGAL murder of babies without also being for a bunch of leftist political points. You can be against the murder of babies and not agree to every single leftist ideology. Also, no pro-life Christian is in favor of killing Palestinian babies that I've heard. 1:47:00 Just want to point out that 'Christian' and 'Fox News' are NOT synonymous. 1:47:42 What Hamas DID on October 7th is pure evil. It is deeply concerning that you have a problem with that statement. You can't blame your own individual actions to behead babies, and rape and kill innocent women and the elderly on your trauma. Can you condemn a person's actions as pure evil? Can there be any balance in this conversation at all? Does saying someone's actions are pure evil mean you are saying the person doing the actions is an animal? 1:48:00 "Violence is always a sign of something wrong, what drives people to it?". Any Christian with a biblical worldview should know this is false. We are fallen creatures and have a sin nature and that nature (anger, bitterness, hatred, unforgiveness being the root, which these are all sins) is the primary driver of our unjust violence. Cain didn't get to blame trauma for killing Abel. Does this justify all of Israel's actions? Of course not, and each person pulling the strings to murder Palestinians will also have to give an account for their sins. 1:48:13 To condemn someone's actions as pure evil does not mean you are making them out to be animals. Can you call the actions of Nazis pure evil? How about the actions of Slave Traders and Slave owners? It's pure evil and should be condemned and the people who perform the actions should face proper consequences. They can still repent, can still be forgiven, but that doesn't remove the natural, just consequence. Just as you have the right to call some of the acts of Israel against Palestine as pure evil. 1:49:00 They were literally live on social media platforms showing the killings. It's not a Jewish 'narrative'. 1:51:30 I again would really caution you calling the Jews racist, fascists. Fascism is thrown around quite a bit by the political left in American and is most of the time used improperly. And is it wrong for America to support Israel? I don't know anybody he thinks our support means we will never disagree with their actions. Also from a biblical standpoint, overall, we should pray for, bless and support the Jews in general. 1:51:57 'You're a product of the white supremacist ideology'...Have you read history? Hitler (an actual white supremacist, not just someone who doesn't buy into leftist political policies) wanted to kill all the Jews largely BECAUSE of his white supremacy. True white supremacists have not supported the Jews historically. Also, that term is used in America to categorize anyone who doesn't agree with all liberal and secular talking points. To say support of Israel is due to white supremacy is honestly one of the most ignorant things I have heard in a while. continued...
1:52:20 What's wrong with a fundamentalist Christian? A fundamentalist Christian is a Christian with a biblical worldview. If you don't believe in the fundamentals of Christianity, you are not Christian, like by literal definition. 1:53:00 again saying white supremacy is the cause of supporting Jews... 1:54:10 You can't prove that Israel is TARGETING babies. Hamas killed babies with blades. I'm not saying I even support Israel's continuing onslaught at all, but let's speak accurately. 1:58:40 This BLM slogan is not Bible. This continues to show that you are what you consume. You are what you listen to, study and read. 1:58:50 What about the Pax Romana? 1:59:20 "If peace is obtained, no one would want to pick up a gun". This continues to support the secular culture narrative about the nature of humanity versus the Scriptures. We are not born good. We don't sin just because of trauma or difficult circumstances. We sin because we are born with the curse of Adam and need to be born again in Jesus. 1:59:20 God is not 'fundamentally' on the side of the oppressed as if the oppressed can do no wrong and is always justified in their actions. 1:59:57 The verse says 'Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness'. Those who hunger for obedience to Christ in ALL of his commands and according to His terms. Of course God is a God of justice but you don't need to change texts to add more zing to your point. 2:00:00 Luke 4 is clearly a reference to Jesus setting us free from the oppression of SIN. His first coming was to set us free from our slavery to sin. His second coming will be the ultimate end of all injustice and oppression. Of course we as Christians should fight for the truly oppressed, but Jesus first coming wasn't about setting people free from human oppressors. The Jews expectation of the Messiah was for military conquest for the Jews but Jesus shocked them when He came to die for the sins of the whole world. But HIs second coming will remove everyone who continues to willingly resist Him as King and not submit to His lordship and atoning sacrifice. Daniel do you believe in the literal and physical return of Jesus? 2:00:38 That is definitely about the age to come. 2:01:30 This is one of the big problems with Marxist ideology. All they want is revolution. It's super easy to just point fingers but when it comes to actual practical solutions, leftist thinkers have none. Or they think if you remove any law or border and just simply allow people to do whatever they want unhindered, somehow there will be a utopia. Daniel do you really think that just saying, "You know what, let all Palestinians back into Israel without any restrictions and it'll work out just fine" will end up working? Literal Presidents of middle eastern countries have publicly proclaimed they want the complete destruction of Israel. Islam calls for the killing of Jews. The Hamas charter literally says, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." 2:04:30 You keep saying Israel's motivation is about racial supremacy. A people wanting there original homeland back and to not be annihilated by the countries around them is not racial supremacy. 2:05:30 What gospel message did Russell Moore give that is not the gospel of Christ exactly? To say Russell Moore proclaims a false gospel is a stiff accusation. 2:06:20 How is your heart 'filled' after this discussion? Filled with increased animosity against the Jews? I mean, even if you agree with Daniel, I'm not sure saying my heart is 'filled' makes sense with the subject matter. 2:06:52 If it's about context, you should have brought someone with less of a blatant bias and who's understanding of history has not been shaped by secular universities radical Marxist philosophies and distorted worldview. I think you could say this gives you a glimpse into the worldview and perspective of Palestinians. Or an American Palestinian's perspective. So much of this fits exactly with the current secular culture. You never take responsibility for your own sins, but constantly blame your sin on someone else. 'They made me do it' will not be pardoned at the judgment seat of Christ. Repentant sin covered by the blood of Jesus will. You want to make excuses for it, those sins will be judged. I am talking in broad strokes here of course. Israel has not been perfect. Israel still needs to repent and believe in Jesus. Palestinians are loved by God and are able to be reconciled to God through Jesus. But in general, the Arab nations have been hostile against Israel for all of history because there is an ancient hostility and hatred from the line of Ishmael that hates Isaac. You can't look at history, the history of Arab nations, the history of Islam (which yes is very tied to Arabs) and the Islamic holy books like the Qur'an literally call for the killing of the Jews, and not see that common thread. Daniel, I have to challenge you that you appear to be more rooted in your race and nationality than in your identity as a Christian. I think it's distorting your view of history and this situation as well as causing you to honestly fight for the wrong narrative. I also believe that, as well as spending so much time reading secular sources and Progressive 'Christian' voices, you are Eisegeting a secular worldview into the Bible, instead of letting the Bible help you to interpret how you should respond to the world around you. I of course think it's ok to want your own people to have their own land and a way to live in freedom and peace. But the way you are talking about the Jews is deeply concerning. It is not ethical from a secular sense and foolish from a Christian stand point to say that it's fine that the people of Israel should not be able to have a homeland of their own or that it's wrong for them to have their own country. Also, saying Palestinians are indigenous of that land and the Jews are not...history and the bible would stand to differ. I'd challenge you both to re-read Romans 11 and tread carefully. Watch your life and your doctrine closely. Anyone who wants to hear a trusted voice on this, give Francis Chan's new video a watch: ua-cam.com/video/VAh1cKtEc8M/v-deo.html
Excellent rebuttal and push back. You have made some great points here. It is so refreshing to see people think critically and have the courage to call out and confront the outright lies espoused by those who attempt to weave their political agenda and ideology into their facade of Christian identity. Well done.
Alot of your comment is honestly nonsense. Israelis want to spread because they’re still illegally settling in the west bank to this day. Yes alot of white Americans support Israel due to white supremacy and christian supremacy. They view arabs as bad and muslims and Israelis as white and jewish. Simple.
This is how desperate a Mammon-worshipping American 'Christian' wants to stay in denial of the fact that they enthusiastically endorse and support the murder of literally the world's oldest Christian community. Palestinian Christians like us were NEVER even a real 'brethren' to you Satan-worshippers. You can worship your Zionist overlords all you want, but don't you dare call yourself 'Christian' when it is your support and money that goes into murdering my family and church.
You would think that of all people, Americans (given their 2A, property rights, freedom of speech...and "Don't Tread on Me" attitude toward overreaching governance), would have the appropriate amount of empathy for a people who were quite simply put ethincally cleansed from their land for political reasons under the guise of religious ones.
Thank you for this conversation Preston. If anything, regardless of where you fall in this, it highlights the historical, social, cultural, religious and geopolitical complexity facing all sides. When someone says Free Palestine, that isn’t enough to address what is led up and is happening in this.
Well done Preston! A couple questions: I have heard the number of casualties is higher on the Palestinian side because Hamas hides behind women and children and puts their bases of operations in places (like under hospitals), where civilian damage is high. How does this factor into it? Also: hebrews/Jews have remained in the Israel/Palestinian area for millennia. It appears to be an argument that all Jews are colonisers, vs what about those who never left and also want to have a place to live?
I have questions about Hamas' use of "human shields" as well. I hear it all the time, but I don't if has been verified by independent report, or if it's propaganda. Back in 2013, Amnesty international investigated the claim and said they couldn't verify that Hamas uses human shields. Here's the report: www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/ In sum it says: "The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases." So I honestly don't know. Not sure if Daniel has any thoughts on this...
I don’t know if you have listened to Masob Hassan Yousef’s life story. He is a Palestinian and has a lot of knowledge of the on going conflict, being raised in Gaza. Very interesting and has a great love for his people, the Palestinians. ❤️
Vast majority of the Palestinian Jews (Old Yishuv) were anti-Zionists, and did NOT agree with the mass-arrival of mostly secular, culturally alien, politically troublesome Zionist Aliyah. "We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced." Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky's appeal to the United Nations, 1947.
@@ericajean7899 actually there was a group of ethnic Palestinian Jew who have lived in historic Palestine for probably thousands of years prior to the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 And the migration of European Jews through colonialism So to Answer your question there were a group Jews who didn’t migrate through colonizations or because of political reasons (Zionism ) but I have no idea where they’re in present day (I going to guess probably Israel but I am not sure )
Conquering of land in a defensive war is not illegal. I recall when Yasser Arafat said that any Palestinian selling his land to a Jew would get the death penalty.
It sounds like you think these ideals of justice and mercy will save the day, but salvation comes only through forgiveness of sin in Jesus Christ. I don’t expect that any government will make any lasting difference in the hatred and wars among people. Only by death to sin and resurrection to new life will we see real peace. I do not mean that we should not practice righteousness, but unless a Jew is born again, and unless a Palestinian is born again I don’t believe such deep seated animosity can be changed. There are young people in our country screaming the message of hatred for the dehumanizing policies of Israel, and hawks in our government yelling, “Finish them” in support of Israel. I can only pray for the rule of Christ in every heart.
OK, I've arrived at near the end of this video. It is good that Daniel acknowledges his bias. I started to watch this video because I wanted to hear from a Christian Palestinian perspective. But I've heard nothing Christian. Instead I've sat through a very familiar political ideology and propaganda that distorts the history and sanitises and justifies Palestinian violence, including the events of the 7 October. Preston, Daniel is justifying ! It's disgusting. Preston, you and Daniel are even going so far to suggest that Israel orchestrated this. It's outrageous. And then after providing a distorted summary of 150 years, a reading list of contested literature to support ideology and theology, states that scripture is like a "bazaar" that you can "make fit anything", and then preaches the gospel. I feel sick.
Excellent observation. The more that we think critically and ask the hard questions, the more their false narrative collapses. Their true agenda reveals itself when we have the courage to expose the falsehood and push back against the deceit. Remember, They prey on the naive and simple-minded. When we do our homework and discover the facts, we rise above the gullible masses.
@@westyso.cal.8842 Well they did start the conversation saying 'Americans are naïve' and the video was intended for them. But I needed to push back not least because I was reading comments thanking them for providing an alternative factual perspective and shedding light on the Palestinian plight.
I think that everyone has a bias, but I also think we need to understand that what we think is bias is a reality for those living there. As with anything there is bias formed by reality, but Daniel is very good at offering a historical perspective which is undisputed by both Palestinian and Israeli scholars. The current conflict is complex and self fulfilling prophecies for both sides.
@@CFCMahometYou make assumptions about where I live and my lived experience. Sometimes a lived experience, even one shared by others doesn't mean it's an objective reality. It isn't accurate to suggest that the historical perspective presented by Daniel is widely accepted by Jewish scholars. Although I am familiar with the few that he mentions, I am aware that the majority of Jewish scholars are highly critical of them. But they are handy to quote from if they suit your narrative. However, the aspect I found most disturbing was that Daniel was supposedly reporting as a Christian, but I found it was not a Christian perspective that he shared at all. There was no message of hope or discussion of a ministry of healing, leading others to Christ, and reconciliation. Instead it was an uninterrupted unchallenged spouting off of a learned dogma of hatred. I found that incredible sad.
@@jeanjarvis4633 It was clearly a humanistic perpective, I'm afraid. Not necessarily a Christian one, which would consider both the will and the mind of God. 'The kingdom of heaven' apart from Christ is not necessarily the Kingdom of God.
One thing that this made me think about is how we are using the word “Palestinians” which seems to wrongly imply “all” Palestinians, when in truth we are talking about Hamas. We are conflating ideological versus ethnic.
I really appreciate this content. I don't see many Christian channels giving this view. It seems to be a blind spot for most. Kudos Preston! Good show!
This person is not being honest. I’m sorry but he’s leaving out incredibly important information that MATTERS. For once I’d love to have someone talk about this issue with facts, while leaving their bias and emotions out of it. Really disappointing. I was hoping it would be a balanced conversation, especially considering the education of this individual and that he says he’s a Christian. Too bad.
Preston why are you not asking for the full picture of Israelis killing Palestinians in the occupied areas? Your guest told about only one provocation, the curfew violation of his cousin. It would be more helpful if we could see the real picture of how the occupation works. Are the Jews truly walking in to the neighborhood and shooting Palestinians as they cook their dinner? Is he fairly describing the failure of the two state solution as something that just fell apart?
"Are the Jews truly walking in to the neighborhood and shooting Palestinians as they cook their dinner?" Yes. You can find reports of settler violence on daily basis. But American 'Christians' just don't want to listen and acknowledge the reality that their support goes straight into the ethnic cleansing of us, the Palestinian Christians, that is all.
Regardless if you disagree, you have to admit that context is king, and it is important to interpret a situation. We cannot argue with the historicity that Daniel offers. It is agreed by scholars across the board.
I think listening to people who have first hand knowledge is the only way to get to the bottom of what’s going on. And people have different experiences. There is a man named Masob Hassan Yousef on UA-cam who experienced things differently. He is Palestinian, and is the son of a Hamas leader. He risked everything, including his life, in coming out of this evil regime. He wants nothing more than to see his people come out of the delusion that they have been fed by Hamas. His goal and purpose in life is to help his people. ❤
Great episode. He provided very important context that is really necessary right now. He was definitely NOT presenting both sides though. He clearly is anti-Israel (not without some justification) and used labels of neo-nazi, racist, apartheid state etc. to describe them but was always favorable in talking of Palestinians. Though not necessarily "supportive" of Hamas, he is clearly sympathetic to them. When he referred to people blaming Hamas he said that was blaming the "victim" . He said supporting Israel is supporting white nationalism. You should have pushed him a little about the six day war that started with Syrian back Palestinians guerillas attacking across Israels border and then Egypt (after inaccurate intel from Russia) moved forces to the Sinai penninsula ejecting a UN peacekeeping force that was guarding the border for years. Any atrocities committed by Palestinians were condemned but at the same time justified by saying (several times) Hey, if you're mistreated enough you pick up a gun. You should have asked him about the Hamas charter that clearly states the intention to eliminate Israel. I do not support the terrible atrocities committed by Israel or Hamas. He cited atrocities for which there are differing accounts though he squarely blamed Israel. He didn't talk about Palestinians used by Hamas as human shields. He seemed to deny that though overwhelming reports cite otherwise. I learned a lot from him though and I am thankful you had him on the podcast. It seems (though I don't support Israels oppression of Palestinians) the only solution acceptable by Muslim countries in the middle east is the elimination of Israel.
"Palestinians used as shields" so Palestinians have no rights to resist??? Israel is evil and created by Zionists, Zionists are Nazis. Why they needed to create Israel when they just simply could live in Palestine!
I think this interview was recorded after the hospital bombing but before the airing of evidence that indicates it was likely a misfired middle directed at Israel. At least, I hope it was. I wonder what Mr. Bonnoura would say now? I have to say, this interview doesn’t give me much hope that there can or will be a just resolution that would allow both Palestinians and Israelis live at peace with each other.
Yes I second what Nancy said. We recorded soon after the bombing and our understanding was based on tweets by Israeli officials and analyses by Aljazeera, Channel 4, and Forensic Architecture. Only over the last 2 days more analysis was provided by WSJ, AP, CNN and others that challenge earlier conclusions. I hope there would be an independent international inquiry at some point. It's all very tragic and heartbreaking. :(
Daniel and Preston, thank you. The convoluted history is a bit clearer to me after listening to this interview. What a horrible and heartbreaking situation with no apparent solution. Lord, have mercy.
@@dbrownazwatch ‘son of Hamas’ for on the ground knowledge…also be very aware Islam is behind the Palestinian stories/ lies.propalestian stories need to be clearly cleaned up from Islam lies. Remember Islam wants Israel dead and Islamists are allowed to lie.
Why does freedom for Palestinians necessarily make you think about the end of Israel? Why do one people have to be oppressed for another people to feel secure? The end of the occupation, at minimum, means a two-state solution where both peoples can enjoy dignity and freedom and security.
@danielbbannoura You said that Israeli occupation began in 1948. So logically, you would have to go back to pre-1948 when Israel was established. If this is not what you mean, then you should be clearer.
@@terrycampbell4387 I don't exactly remember what I said but it's very unlikely I said the occupation began in 1948 (please send me the timestamp). I detailed the oppression and dispossession of the Palestinians during the Palestinian Nakba in 1948 when the whole "conflict" began. Otherwise, the military occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip began in 1967.
@danielbbannoura I will go back and listen again when i have time. Until then, can you clarify what you mean by ending the occupation? Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, and yet it is Hamas that is attacking Israel.
As you said, true, you are insane Daniel 😀. Just back to the core Christian teaching, Jews, Jews Messianic, and all Christian denominations are Christ sons. And remember, "Palestinian" name by Hadrianus, Roman (Pagan believe) to change "Israel" identity. Palestine meaning invader. There is no Palestinian Land originally.
This is very helpful, Preston and Daniel, but I have a question about the BBible. How was the land before the Ottoman Empire? Were there Jews and Christians living there? I ask this because Israel is mentioned in the Bible quite several times. So, is the history tailored in any way to bring the point back to Jews staying in Israel?
What is Daniel and middle eastern christians perspective on end times? It seems millions of christians have been brainwashed with Darby and Scofield theology. Could he provide a link on this issue or resources on end times and the middle east.
Disappointed. Billed as a Palestinian CHRISTIAN'S point of view, this was hardly 'Christian ' at all. Instead it was one side's political reading of history. The title 'Christian ' is wholly redundant.
PRESTON NOT ONLY IN GAZA, ALSO PEOPLE IN THE WEST BANK ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE FREELY, HE JUST OLD YOU THAT HE IS FROM BETHLEHEM AND THE IDF CONTROLS ALOMOST EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE.
Apartheid? Really? There are Arab is the IDF, in the Knesset, as judges, as CEO of banks. Ask a west bank Palestinian would he rather have an Israeli ID card or a Palestinian one.
Preston, you have really stepped into it. If you have guests about this you really have to do your homework. This fellow just distorts, does he mention the displacement of Jews from all the Arab lands. Why are the territories "occupied"? Because the Arabs started three wars to drive the Jews into the sea and the Jews won. If these people would stop sending terrorists into Israel to kill people their life would improve immensely. Every Israeli wants peace because they have suffered from all these wars.
II would say this christians understanding of historical claims aren't complete. If he truly studies the bible and its historical context with reference to history, Israel has always held a much longer claim to the land. From Genesis to Paul, the land of Jerusalem is promised to the Israelites. Any historian will agree, the term "Palestine came later after christ from the Romans in later 2nd century after vanquishing Judaea. I would look at the solutions both sides suggest; if Palestinians say Islamic government should have authority over the land, then this is not biblical, therefore I question his Christian commitment. But if we think biblically, sorry to say, the name "Palestinian" means very little to the promise made to the descendants of Jacob and David. Point is, Geo-politcalics has no weight to a much bigger conversation.
I think you are conflating biblical Israel with the current modern *secular* state. I simply provide a quick summary of the events of the last 150 years since the rise of Zionism. I encourage you not to use the Bible to erase people and ignore their suffering. Also check out Nur Masalha's "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" for more history.
@@danielbbannourado you believe that Israel has NO rights to the land from a Biblical perspective? Honest and sincere question. Also, where do you think the European Jews should have gone after WWII? Those that were still alive? Again, honest question.
@@annlowry9841 that's a fair question. So I believe Christ changes the way we think about the land and the people. Through Christ, the land is extended to become all the earth and the chosen people become everyone (no difference between Jew and Gentile, see Galatians 3... etc.). Saying that a secular political state is the same as biblical Israel is historically naive and biblically very sloppy. See Gary Burge's "Whose Land? Whose Promise", and Colin Chapman's "Whose Promised Land?".
But what if the one side is the accurate side? Most of my protestant friends only have/know the other perspective. From my understanding, this obsession with Israel is mainly an American evangelical view.
@@katiecugini979for Evangelical American Christians hold Israel as their “Golden Calf”. Most are brainwashed with their End Times theology which is less than 200 years old.
@@katiecugini979most of what he's saying is the truth but we have always been fed on side of the issue, until you really look it up thoroughly, sometimes it's hard to believe. Documentaries like creation and catastrophe, born in deir yasin
I wonder what he thinks about the covenant with Abraham for the land. Passed on to Isaac and Jacob. Not Ishmael. I feel for these people but what about what the scriptures say. Israel was in the land but they were displaced first. Then they finally got the land back that was promised to them. Where does God's sovereignty come in. Did God give the land back to the people.
@@jeffndoria9949 “A white supremacist fascist military diabolically and purposely targeting Baptist named hospitals in a concentration camp is objectively false” ! There is no debate. If, if, if, if if a legitimate Palestinian cause, this is objectively hurting the Palestinian cause are more importantly, undermining to the gospel !
Sad, Darren, that your response to this brother of yours who is espousing a nonviolent way of Jesus is for you to just gaslight and deflect and say his claims are objectively false, writ large, without specifying any claim and without first responding with some form of empathy. You don’t have to agree with him, but Jesus calls us to listen, identify with pain, and then ask questions if we want to influence. Your response here concerns me. And I know you from Remnant and believe you are a genuine believer. But this is not the way. He straight up critiqued Hamas, stated he doesn’t condone it and grieves the death. If you didn’t actually listen to the whole interview and are just trolling, please go to the 1:30 mark and listen again. Do better brother. 🤟🙏
This fellow seems to justify the terrorist attacks during the 2nd intifada. I remember those attacks, families murdered in their homes, a mother and her 7 children were burned alive in a bus, people shot driving down the streets, grandmothers pushing strollers and teenagers eating pizza were targets of suicide bombers and on and on.
After all the testimony of your guest, I can't help but think about Palestinians or Arabs living in Israel saying they would not want to live anywhere else because they have a good life there. I can't help wonder if your guest lived there having their rights. It seems the start of the conflict is not about land but it starts in the head. So many preconceived notions where there is no dialogue and those notions are assumed which leads to hate and violence on both sides.
Good perspective. Palestine needs real support. The people fighting for them aren't even fighting for them. The 500 anglican hospital death is debunked now and the deaths much lower with the missile being from an undetermined source based on third party investigation. The people who support palestine support hamas overwhelmingly abroad. People in power are not going to be receptive to international support of palestine if US individuals are supporting the worst vision of palestinian resistance. If you want to support palestinians and gazans be wary of making this mistake.
Do you know what this tells me about the Jews in Israel and perhaps around the world? They have not healed from their wounds of the holocaust. This is so very sad. 😢 They must heal. These are the things you do when you have not healed. You repeat what was done to you
When we begin with Jesus, and His teachings, we can see that to lesser or greater extents, both sides are wrong for not following Him and His righteous ways. We need to stop thinking that one side is perfectly good and the other side is perfectly evil. Just not true. Good and evil runs through all, some more than others on this side or that.
This man forgets that Arabs started all those wars and lost. Now he is complaining about the lost areas as occupied. It is these same stupid phrases again.
Russell Moore is forgetting that if we don't attempt to understand, we will repeat the evil which got us (as a European, I see the part played by Europe) into this mess.
Well if I was asked the question IF Im in the place of Benjamin Netanyahu I would still administer true justice and since I adhere to the Old Testament more than the new, I would still follow what My GOD says on Isaiah 1:17 (WEB) Learn to do well. Seek justice. Relieve the oppressed. Defend the fatherless. Plead for the widow.”
Yes we can criticize Israel and Hammas. The secular state of Israel doesn't get to do the Palestinians what rhe Nazis did to the Jews. Period. End of the story.
Sorry, the reason for such atrocious attacks is not oppression. There have been oppressed people before, but no reaction like Hamas. No Christan should justify their actions. Also, Christians need to see Jews from their history and the contribution they have made, particularly to the Gospel message. Read Romans 11.
@@jirehla-ab1671Oh yes, I know. They have different taxis, separate sides of the roads and made it harder to marry Palestinians without Israeli citizenship
This is the most educational video I’ve seen for a long time. Much appreciated.
Thank you Preston for giving voice to our Palestinian brothers and sisters in Christ. That is so rare. I have me Palestinian Christians at the 2018 Christ at the Checkpoint meeting in Oklahoma City. What a wonderful time we all had together. How many America Christians even know any Christian Palestinians. Good churches should be inviting Palestinian believers like this brother to come speak.
Thank you for this. I am heartbroken realizing that I picked up propoganda along the way and never questioned it. I had no idea that this is a story so similar to what was done to the Indigenous people of our continent.
Exactly my thought. Reminds me of what Roger Williams said in the 1600s in response
to colonialism: "By what right does the king grant a charter to land already owned by somebody else?" (paraphrase)
Jews are the indigenous people of that land, they predate Muslims and Christians.
@@jrcase23 were the native Americans taken over by Native Americans who had been expelled/driven out by them centuries before... and some who had been there all along or intermittently. Not at all similar
Different place different case, Islam teaching got "Kuffour" for non-Muslim, especially Jews n Christians. AS being Christian, I got even We got very bad experiences been discriminated and prosecuted in most Muslim population country. The guy has no idea the core of the problem, Jew teaching is only for Jew as Christians have to understand that.
@@AngelaSmith-yw3mq stop this madness. Jew is a religion. I'm a Catholic, it doesn't make me eligible to take Italian land
This topic needs more attention in the US (particularly for Christians Evangelicals). Great job!
Different place different case.
Christian evangelical here. I'm deeply sorry for how my fellow CE's support Israel without question because of their false eschatology. They mean well I suppose, they just are taught wrong things and do not study the Bible for themselves. Even when they do, they have so much brainwashing and it's hard for them to just read it as it is apart from that dispensational lens. My heart is with the Palestinians in this conflict. I'm doing all I can, especially online, to spread the word to these poor deluded souls, and praying I can reach some of them by the grace of God.
Separately stated: the way the Palestinians have been treated has not been fair or just
Thank you, Preston, for always creating space for the voices of the marginalised and misunderstood. Looking forward to this!
So hard to realize we only have one side. This settler-colonial mindset that we need to undo.
Thank you
Great discussion. We moved to Qatar from the US and it’s amazing how sharp the contrast is in narratives. It didn’t take me long to realise that what I thought I knew about this issue in addition to what I thought I knew about the Middle East was far from what I was actually seeing/hearing/experiencing upon arrival. There’s so much left for us to learn when most of our lives we’ve only been getting one side of the story…
Preston, thank you so much for this sensitive interview of Daniel - you gave him ample time to share his thoughts and it was very informative. I am also of the Christian faith, and I am also a born-again Believer, which is a smaller subset of those who also claim to be Christians. My thoughts as a Believer, come from my Prayers to my Eternal Creator God, who I have asked to intervene in this intractable situation, according to Matt.6:10. Because of the sad history of events, I dont believe there is a solution that can be reached by the involved parties and allies. This one requires Almighty God's Sovereign intervention, because He alone knows, who, what, where, when, why, and how of this historic tragedy, and only He can miraculously solve the issues with His attributes of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience and Righteous judgements. As a Believer, this one will only be solved by petioning Eternal God with prayer and fasting. I ask all Believers who read this, to join with me in prayer for a miraculous 'healing of this land' and establishment of a just Peace that only Eternal God can bring.
Preston! Thank you. Thank you for hosting him. ❤
Thank you. The entire situation is heartbreaking. I can't believe we as Christians have such a hard time holding such things in tension. The God we preach loves us to the point of death and yet holds us accountable for our actions. The same is true as a parent. I deeply love my children, but if I truly love them, I speak the truth about their actions and discipline them. 2 things can be true at the same time. We hold them in tension. We must do better.
Thank you both so much for this important, thorough-going, and eye-opening discussion! I'm sorry to say I never heard the in- depth history of Palestine-Israel before hearing the two of you - and I'm in my 60's and considered well-educated!
Just started listening, it breaks my heart hearing 1k children, and knowing how much worse it has gotten. This violence is unacceptable, praying for the Palestinian people suffering, also praying for the Israeli leadership to see their cruelty and chage their ways
I'm confused! I am a Messianic Christian. I have been a Christian since February 1989. Like Daniel, I too studied theology at the London School of Theology. I'm only two minutes in to this video but I am struggling with Daniel's claim that Israel only existed in the minds of colonialist (Britain) with the Balfour Declaration in 1917. Leaving aside the huge and complex subject of Zionism to one side because that is a huge subject even amongst Jews, some believing the land and State of Israel is existentially Zion, whilst other believe Zion will only exist with the coming of the messiah. But for Daniel to suggest that Israel only exists as a consequence of the Balfour Declaration, or the region being declared a State in 1948, is wholly inaccurate and unscriptural.
The region was renamed Palestine by the Romans. Before this, neither Jew nor Arabs in the region were known and did not refer to themselves as Palestinians. Arabs living in the region did not begin to call themselves Palestinians until after Jews from across Europe and Russia began to return to Israel after the second world war. And did not become known as Arab Palestinians until 1967.
Jewish people have been persecuted and expelled by numerous nations. You've only to read the bible to know how often they were exiled from Israel. They have been expelled from numerous countries across Europe and the world over thousands of years. The Holocaust during the second World War meant it was no longer possible for the world to turn a blind eye. I won't go into how Britain and other countries knowingly closed their borders, preventing Jewish people fleeing persecution in Europe leading up to the death camps in 1941.
The point I wish to make is that as Christians, which should be our first love and identity, whether Jew or Palestinian, we should not engage in rewriting scripture, or the histories of peoples in an attempt to erase them from the land. If there is ever going to be any hope of peace, Christians, including Palestinian Christians need to acknowledge the right of Jewish people to settle in the land and turn to Christ for our identity and the solution.
National identities, politics and unforgiveness only create barriers, whilst not forgetting that God in his wisdom made Jesus Jewish. Jewish people, Christians, whether Messianic or Arab, need to recognise that God called Abram (who became known as Abraham), telling him to leave his family and his land to go to a place God would show him. Where did Abram leave? He was called out of Ur, modern day Iraq, to become a great nation....a holy people. Galatians 3:28 tells us we are all one in Christ. At the same time, we know that Israel and the Jewish people are also important to God too.
You make some very insightful statements here and are asking great questions.
I applaud your ability to see through the false narrative currently being promoted.
I agree with this. I don’t know if you have heard of or have listened to Masob Hassan Yousef but he is a Palestinian and has a great deal of first hand knowledge about the conflict between Gaza and Israel. He is on UA-cam and really has some eye opening experience. He loves both sides and is trying to help his people, the Palestinians. But he is unwilling to close his eyes to the real problem.
@@judithquinton1013 I will find him and listen to what he has to say. Thank you
It's telling that this comment was written so shortly into the video. Your remark seems mainly about semantics and nomenclature and particular Zionist interpretations of scripture that are themselves disputed, as Daniel mentions. When and whether or not Arabs/non-Jews called themselves Palestinians; even if one accepts that Jewish people have a 'natural right' to this region, nothing justifies the systematic brutalisation, dehumanisation and dispossession of fellow image-bearers of God. Hamas' actions were despicable but that is sadly what can happen when a people are consistently denied their humanity. Some will react in inhumane ways. Even if using self-defence as a rationale, the Torah speaks of proportionality (an eye for an eye, at most) which the Israeli regime notoriously ignores. Christ said Himself that His kingdom is not of this world. It's sacrilege to justify colonialism in His name. Where is the denouncement of the Far-Right Netanyahu coalition or high level officials referring to Gaza as 'human animals'? As you said, we are one in Christ and that is our primary identity. By ignoring that non-Jews also occupied the region and were forcibly displaced in 1948 is to do exactly what you decry; it's re-writing history. No life or people group is more valuable than another. I implore Christians that if any theology, ideology, ethnicity or nationality causes us to advocate, be complicit with or turn a blind eye to the mass oppression and immiseration of a population by another, esp. one that has far more power, then it is an idol and we need to repent and return to the beatitudes.
Read the curses for not obeying in Deut 28 then read Jeremiah 24:8-10
“I am as likely to reject my people Isreal as I am to do away with the laws of nature. Just as the Heavens cannot be measured and the foundations of the earth cannot be explored. so I will NOT consider casting them AWAY FOREVER for their sins. I the Lord have spoken “ Jeremiah 31: 36
Thank you, Daniel Bannoura! Watching your list of resources next!
Dear Palestinian Christians we Muslims feel your pain and pray that God brings justice to all Palestinians and liberates the followers of his prophet Jesus Christ Amen
Level headed, factual, fair and May I say non political. Thank you Preston and Daniel. Having these discussions back on the global table are highly overdue. It is a tragedy tho that it took a massacre of innocent people for this to happen.😪
But sober discussions like this give me hope. Truth telling always carry seeds of hope and freedom, not just for some but for everyone. Thank you for your work. ❤🙏
Really appreciated this much needed perspective.
What pod casters need to do is to start getting two sides on there and have them debate the events. One sided views are not going to lead to any understanding.
Yes true, I agree, Christ is fundamentally on the side of the oppressed on both sides Jews or Gentiles, Israeli or Palestinians. GOD has summed up His Commandments in two, to love Him and love our neighbor as ourselves. And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” (Mark 12:33 (WEB)
Thank you for calling us out Daniel! We have to get uncomfortable to change.
On May 26 1967, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser declared, "The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel."
Together with other Arab states, he deployed troops and expelled UN Peacekeepers from Sinai.
Six days later, Israel handed him his butt.
When you lose a war of intended genocide, but you still continue violence, terrorism and rocket launches, guess what happens?
YOU GET OCCUPIED UNTIL YOU BEHAVE PEACEFULLY.
Don’t know if you have heard of Masob Hassan Yousef but he was raised in Gaza and has a lot to offer information wise. He loves his people, the Palestinians but is unwilling to turn a blind eye to the actual facts. And he knows a lot being the son of a Hamas leader. His story is very interesting and will touch your heart. He is truly an amazing person!❤️
@@judithquinton1013 Thanks I will check him out.
The only sensible comment! Honestly, how do they keep acting like they're being "occupied" for absolutely no reason?!
@@judithquinton1013, no, he was raised in West Bank.
May the Palestinians ( Christians and Muslims and peaceful Arabic Jews) get their freedom back so they can live out their lives in accordance with their faiths unhindered by military occupation
Great interview. Thank you!
Can you share the link to Daniel’s podcast? If I create a paragraph of all the resources he shared, could you please put them in your description? I don’t see the books like The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and other things he said in the commentary above. Thank you.
For me as an academic, I got really interested in Palestine 🇵🇸 after the incident of October 7th and I’ve been spending sleepless nights studying who are these people who I know very well are connected to Jesus Christ and I love Jesus Christ a lot because he was very smart and then this gentleman, your guest is very intelligent and knowledgeable about his own identity which I believe the current Occupation Project is finding it really difficult to erase and rewrite history! Oops😢
The death of 1000 Palestinian children has not been independently documented. Remember Hamas is ‘allowed’ to lie.
So thankful for this perspective. My heart is changed listening to this.
Thank you Preston for this video.The Real News Network channel did an excellent recent video Gaza vs Israel with Norman Finklestein as guest speaker for some more info of Israel's abuse of the Palestinians for decades. It would encourage Daniel to have some more support around him.
Thanks appreciate your conversation on the issues facing Palestinian Christians.
Daniel is correct when he says that only the gospel can change lives and bring peace to the region. Are Christians free to share the gospel in Gaza and the West Bank?
Obviously?
They sure aren't. Israel doesn't allow proselytizing. You'll be risking a beating by the IDF.
Of course they are free, yet they are not free to do that in Israel, do not you see what is happening to the Churches in Jerusalem and other places that Israel Occupies?
@@Nart-hx7nn Christians are free to proselytize in Israel, but not in Gaza. The Palestinian Authority prohibits proselytizing in areas under their control.
No it is not, it is the reverse of what you are saying, Christian are treated much better in Gaza than they are treated in Jerusalem or Bethlehem for example by the Israeli occupation forces. i bet that you never met a Christian in the region to ask him about this. @@terrycampbell4387
When I saw that you were talking to a Christian, I was hoping that I would be hearing a balanced, truthful discussion. I was very disappointed.
why were you disappointed?
@danielbbannoura you stated that the Palestinians want Hamas out, and so does Israel. It seems like Israel and the Palestinian people have a common enemy. Why not evacuate to the south and allow Israel to eliminate Hamas. Why stay in harms way. No one wants civilians harmed. But it is Hamas that specifically targets civilians. Not just to take hostages for negotiation like you stated, but to slaughter them. They hide behind civilians, and launch their attacks from schools. They use all of the Palestinian resources on weapons instead of developing Gaza. Gaza is fenced in to keep Hamas out of Israel. We see what happens when Hamas gets into Isreal, they slaughter civilians. The blockade is also in place to prevent even more weapons from entering Gaza. This would not be necessary if the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel. You ignore these facts and make it sound like Israel does this just to be hateful. You stated several times that Palestinians just want to end the occupation. What exactly does that mean? It sounds like they want an end to Israel, not a 2-state solution. I agree with you that the only real solution is Jesus. However, it's really hard to preach the Gospel in Palestinian territory. I pray that this would all be over soon, and peace would come to the region.
Yes, why on earth would you be disappointed!? BTW, I am a Christian.
@@JustinCarterhow did he stand up for them?
@@JustinCarter I didn’t hear that in any part just an explanation as to why they exist which everyone seems to forget.
Thank you both for having this conversation! Daniel referenced several articles, authors, etc. Could you please add these to the show notes?
Wow that was a lot to take in. First off, Daniel I am so sorry for your loss of family and friends due to violence from the Israeli government/army and from the conflict in the Middle East. I can't imagine the pain of that. I know 2 hours is not enough to get your full perspective on everything so if you have time to respond to this Daniel or Preston and I'm misunderstanding or characterizing points you have made, please push back and clarify. I'm not meaning this comment to be antagonizing but I am a brother in Christ who cares about the truth.
For starters, what countries in the Middle East are you referring to that have multi-ethnic and multi-religious identities?
Here's religion percentages in the middle east:
-Gaza Strip: 99% Muslim
-Iran: 99.4% Muslim
-Iraq: 98% Muslim
-Saudi Arabia: 96% Muslim
-Egypt: 90% Muslim
-Jordan: 97% Muslim
-Kuwait: 99.9% Muslim
-Oman: 95% Muslim
-Syria: 87% Muslim
-Turkey: 99.8% Muslim
-Yemen: 99% Muslim
I always have a concern when the argument, 'You can make the bible say whatever you want it to say' is brought up in response to a particular view of Scripture without giving Scripture evidence to why the argument is false. Most of the time from what I see, the people who say this are always the ones who discredit the most amount of Scripture, which ironically is picking and choosing what you want from Scripture. You can't just say, "you're wrong in your view because people use the Bible for all kinds of things". That's not an argument. Prove your standpoint from Scripture. Do you believe in 'Replacement Theology' or do you believe that many of the promises for Israel in the Scriptures will still be fulfilled?
46:30 I don't know if you meant this comment this way but it certainly feels like a not so subtle antisemitic jab at the Jews to suggest that Israel is just European Jews with a tone that they aren't true Israel. That is pure antisemitism and is consistent with the antisemitic, hate group called the Black Hebrew Israelites.
52:10 Daniel this is about as objectively false as you can be on history. You appear to be getting your American 'history' knowledge from fictional, reframings of history. If you are embracing everything taught at modern secular universities, I'd challenge you to come back to Scripture and hold what's said from university with discernment and suspicion. America didn't want independence because Britain didn't want them to own slaves. Are you just reading American 'history' from the 1619 project's fictional history or something as your source? Hannah-Jones is not a historian and her works are not based in any evidence what so ever or in history. Her 'history' has been debunked.
Daniel, you keep bringing up that "it's your bias that makes you think that Jews are victims and Arabs are the aggressors", you have to admit you have much more reason for bias than anyone in non-Palestinian or non-Jew in America would have. I'm a Gentile. I'm not Jewish. It's pretty easy to see who the aggressor has been throughout history, and it's not the Jews.
1:05:00 Israel seems to mainly want the land promised to Abraham. How do you know they want to continue spreading?
1:06:00 "cancerous entity"...I'm sorry but this is really inflammatory language and honestly feels like it reveals bitterness and antisemitism. Do you believe like the Black Hebrew Israelites that the Jews in Israel are counterfeit jews? Just about 50% of the world Jewish population lives in modern day Israel.
1:11:00 This is definitely not historical fact. You can't own the evils of your own people and would rather try to blame your people's sins on Israel. Israel did not create and fund Hamas. They showed indifference to stopping the rise of Hamas but they certainly did not create Hamas the way you are saying here. They simply did not get involved as Hamas grew in power early on. Saying something is not a 'conspiracy theory' is not the same as giving evidence. I really don't think you should be blaming Israel on the actions and standpoint of Hamas.
1:19:30 Preston I would challenge that sometimes you make simple truths more complicated.
1:21:00 The barrier was built by Israel following a wave of Palestinian political violence and incidents of terrorism inside Israel during the Second Intifada.
1:28:30 Again, I don't think you can blame Israel for Palestinians support and votes for Hamas.
1:31:00 57% of Gazans express support for Hamas, and a study in 2021 said up to 77% of Palestinians support Hamas so it's inaccurate to say the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza do not support Hamas.
1:45:00 it is highly disputed whether the hospital bombing was Israel.
1:46:00 I have to make an objection to the argument about how you can't be against the LEGAL murder of babies without also being for a bunch of leftist political points. You can be against the murder of babies and not agree to every single leftist ideology. Also, no pro-life Christian is in favor of killing Palestinian babies that I've heard.
1:47:00 Just want to point out that 'Christian' and 'Fox News' are NOT synonymous.
1:47:42 What Hamas DID on October 7th is pure evil. It is deeply concerning that you have a problem with that statement. You can't blame your own individual actions to behead babies, and rape and kill innocent women and the elderly on your trauma. Can you condemn a person's actions as pure evil? Can there be any balance in this conversation at all? Does saying someone's actions are pure evil mean you are saying the person doing the actions is an animal?
1:48:00 "Violence is always a sign of something wrong, what drives people to it?". Any Christian with a biblical worldview should know this is false. We are fallen creatures and have a sin nature and that nature (anger, bitterness, hatred, unforgiveness being the root, which these are all sins) is the primary driver of our unjust violence. Cain didn't get to blame trauma for killing Abel. Does this justify all of Israel's actions? Of course not, and each person pulling the strings to murder Palestinians will also have to give an account for their sins.
1:48:13 To condemn someone's actions as pure evil does not mean you are making them out to be animals. Can you call the actions of Nazis pure evil? How about the actions of Slave Traders and Slave owners? It's pure evil and should be condemned and the people who perform the actions should face proper consequences. They can still repent, can still be forgiven, but that doesn't remove the natural, just consequence. Just as you have the right to call some of the acts of Israel against Palestine as pure evil.
1:49:00 They were literally live on social media platforms showing the killings. It's not a Jewish 'narrative'.
1:51:30 I again would really caution you calling the Jews racist, fascists. Fascism is thrown around quite a bit by the political left in American and is most of the time used improperly. And is it wrong for America to support Israel? I don't know anybody he thinks our support means we will never disagree with their actions. Also from a biblical standpoint, overall, we should pray for, bless and support the Jews in general.
1:51:57 'You're a product of the white supremacist ideology'...Have you read history? Hitler (an actual white supremacist, not just someone who doesn't buy into leftist political policies) wanted to kill all the Jews largely BECAUSE of his white supremacy. True white supremacists have not supported the Jews historically. Also, that term is used in America to categorize anyone who doesn't agree with all liberal and secular talking points. To say support of Israel is due to white supremacy is honestly one of the most ignorant things I have heard in a while.
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1:52:20 What's wrong with a fundamentalist Christian? A fundamentalist Christian is a Christian with a biblical worldview. If you don't believe in the fundamentals of Christianity, you are not Christian, like by literal definition.
1:53:00 again saying white supremacy is the cause of supporting Jews...
1:54:10 You can't prove that Israel is TARGETING babies. Hamas killed babies with blades. I'm not saying I even support Israel's continuing onslaught at all, but let's speak accurately.
1:58:40 This BLM slogan is not Bible. This continues to show that you are what you consume. You are what you listen to, study and read.
1:58:50 What about the Pax Romana?
1:59:20 "If peace is obtained, no one would want to pick up a gun". This continues to support the secular culture narrative about the nature of humanity versus the Scriptures. We are not born good. We don't sin just because of trauma or difficult circumstances. We sin because we are born with the curse of Adam and need to be born again in Jesus.
1:59:20 God is not 'fundamentally' on the side of the oppressed as if the oppressed can do no wrong and is always justified in their actions.
1:59:57 The verse says 'Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness'. Those who hunger for obedience to Christ in ALL of his commands and according to His terms. Of course God is a God of justice but you don't need to change texts to add more zing to your point.
2:00:00 Luke 4 is clearly a reference to Jesus setting us free from the oppression of SIN. His first coming was to set us free from our slavery to sin. His second coming will be the ultimate end of all injustice and oppression. Of course we as Christians should fight for the truly oppressed, but Jesus first coming wasn't about setting people free from human oppressors. The Jews expectation of the Messiah was for military conquest for the Jews but Jesus shocked them when He came to die for the sins of the whole world. But HIs second coming will remove everyone who continues to willingly resist Him as King and not submit to His lordship and atoning sacrifice. Daniel do you believe in the literal and physical return of Jesus?
2:00:38 That is definitely about the age to come.
2:01:30 This is one of the big problems with Marxist ideology. All they want is revolution. It's super easy to just point fingers but when it comes to actual practical solutions, leftist thinkers have none. Or they think if you remove any law or border and just simply allow people to do whatever they want unhindered, somehow there will be a utopia. Daniel do you really think that just saying, "You know what, let all Palestinians back into Israel without any restrictions and it'll work out just fine" will end up working? Literal Presidents of middle eastern countries have publicly proclaimed they want the complete destruction of Israel. Islam calls for the killing of Jews. The Hamas charter literally says, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
2:04:30 You keep saying Israel's motivation is about racial supremacy. A people wanting there original homeland back and to not be annihilated by the countries around them is not racial supremacy.
2:05:30 What gospel message did Russell Moore give that is not the gospel of Christ exactly? To say Russell Moore proclaims a false gospel is a stiff accusation.
2:06:20 How is your heart 'filled' after this discussion? Filled with increased animosity against the Jews? I mean, even if you agree with Daniel, I'm not sure saying my heart is 'filled' makes sense with the subject matter.
2:06:52 If it's about context, you should have brought someone with less of a blatant bias and who's understanding of history has not been shaped by secular universities radical Marxist philosophies and distorted worldview. I think you could say this gives you a glimpse into the worldview and perspective of Palestinians. Or an American Palestinian's perspective.
So much of this fits exactly with the current secular culture. You never take responsibility for your own sins, but constantly blame your sin on someone else. 'They made me do it' will not be pardoned at the judgment seat of Christ. Repentant sin covered by the blood of Jesus will. You want to make excuses for it, those sins will be judged.
I am talking in broad strokes here of course. Israel has not been perfect. Israel still needs to repent and believe in Jesus. Palestinians are loved by God and are able to be reconciled to God through Jesus. But in general, the Arab nations have been hostile against Israel for all of history because there is an ancient hostility and hatred from the line of Ishmael that hates Isaac. You can't look at history, the history of Arab nations, the history of Islam (which yes is very tied to Arabs) and the Islamic holy books like the Qur'an literally call for the killing of the Jews, and not see that common thread.
Daniel, I have to challenge you that you appear to be more rooted in your race and nationality than in your identity as a Christian. I think it's distorting your view of history and this situation as well as causing you to honestly fight for the wrong narrative. I also believe that, as well as spending so much time reading secular sources and Progressive 'Christian' voices, you are Eisegeting a secular worldview into the Bible, instead of letting the Bible help you to interpret how you should respond to the world around you. I of course think it's ok to want your own people to have their own land and a way to live in freedom and peace. But the way you are talking about the Jews is deeply concerning.
It is not ethical from a secular sense and foolish from a Christian stand point to say that it's fine that the people of Israel should not be able to have a homeland of their own or that it's wrong for them to have their own country. Also, saying Palestinians are indigenous of that land and the Jews are not...history and the bible would stand to differ.
I'd challenge you both to re-read Romans 11 and tread carefully. Watch your life and your doctrine closely.
Anyone who wants to hear a trusted voice on this, give Francis Chan's new video a watch: ua-cam.com/video/VAh1cKtEc8M/v-deo.html
Excellent rebuttal and push back. You have made some great points here.
It is so refreshing to see people think critically and have the courage to call out and confront the outright lies espoused by those who attempt to weave their political agenda and ideology into their facade of Christian identity.
Well done.
@@westyso.cal.8842Not really, the questions are very easily debunkable with simple google searches.
Alot of your comment is honestly nonsense. Israelis want to spread because they’re still illegally settling in the west bank to this day. Yes alot of white Americans support Israel due to white supremacy and christian supremacy. They view arabs as bad and muslims and Israelis as white and jewish. Simple.
This is how desperate a Mammon-worshipping American 'Christian' wants to stay in denial of the fact that they enthusiastically endorse and support the murder of literally the world's oldest Christian community. Palestinian Christians like us were NEVER even a real 'brethren' to you Satan-worshippers. You can worship your Zionist overlords all you want, but don't you dare call yourself 'Christian' when it is your support and money that goes into murdering my family and church.
You would think that of all people, Americans (given their 2A, property rights, freedom of speech...and "Don't Tread on Me" attitude toward overreaching governance), would have the appropriate amount of empathy for a people who were quite simply put ethincally cleansed from their land for political reasons under the guise of religious ones.
Trying to figure out if you love the people who live in Israel, or are just resentful toward Americans.
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"If we confuse about the Bible we confuse about Israel "
~ Derek Prince
Daniel, you are a treasure--thanks for giving out so much good information, and for being a gracious person.
Thank you Daniel!
Thank you for this conversation Preston. If anything, regardless of where you fall in this, it highlights the historical, social, cultural, religious and geopolitical complexity facing all sides. When someone says Free Palestine, that isn’t enough to address what is led up and is happening in this.
Well done Preston! A couple questions:
I have heard the number of casualties is higher on the Palestinian side because Hamas hides behind women and children and puts their bases of operations in places (like under hospitals), where civilian damage is high. How does this factor into it?
Also: hebrews/Jews have remained in the Israel/Palestinian area for millennia. It appears to be an argument that all Jews are colonisers, vs what about those who never left and also want to have a place to live?
I have questions about Hamas' use of "human shields" as well. I hear it all the time, but I don't if has been verified by independent report, or if it's propaganda.
Back in 2013, Amnesty international investigated the claim and said they couldn't verify that Hamas uses human shields. Here's the report:
www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/
In sum it says:
"The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases."
So I honestly don't know. Not sure if Daniel has any thoughts on this...
@@PrestonSprinkleRaw thanks for the answer and for the link. I’ll check it out!
I don’t know if you have listened to Masob Hassan Yousef’s life story. He is a Palestinian and has a lot of knowledge of the on going conflict, being raised in Gaza. Very interesting and has a great love for his people, the Palestinians. ❤️
Vast majority of the Palestinian Jews (Old Yishuv) were anti-Zionists, and did NOT agree with the mass-arrival of mostly secular, culturally alien, politically troublesome Zionist Aliyah.
"We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced." Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky's appeal to the United Nations, 1947.
@@ericajean7899 actually there was a group of ethnic Palestinian Jew who have lived in historic Palestine for probably thousands of years prior to the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 And the migration of European Jews through colonialism So to Answer your question there were a group Jews who didn’t migrate through colonizations or because of political reasons (Zionism ) but I have no idea where they’re in present day (I going to guess probably Israel but I am not sure )
Wonderful interview, Daniel. Thanks.
Thank you for all the context.
Conquering of land in a defensive war is not illegal. I recall when Yasser Arafat said that any Palestinian selling his land to a Jew would get the death penalty.
It sounds like you think these ideals of justice and mercy will save the day, but salvation comes only through forgiveness of sin in Jesus Christ. I don’t expect that any government will make any lasting difference in the hatred and wars among people. Only by death to sin and resurrection to new life will we see real peace. I do not mean that we should not practice righteousness, but unless a Jew is born again, and unless a Palestinian is born again I don’t believe such deep seated animosity can be changed.
There are young people in our country screaming the message of hatred for the dehumanizing policies of Israel, and hawks in our government yelling, “Finish them” in support of Israel. I can only pray for the rule of Christ in every heart.
OK, I've arrived at near the end of this video. It is good that Daniel acknowledges his bias. I started to watch this video because I wanted to hear from a Christian Palestinian perspective. But I've heard nothing Christian. Instead I've sat through a very familiar political ideology and propaganda that distorts the history and sanitises and justifies Palestinian violence, including the events of the 7 October. Preston, Daniel is justifying ! It's disgusting. Preston, you and Daniel are even going so far to suggest that Israel orchestrated this. It's outrageous. And then after providing a distorted summary of 150 years, a reading list of contested literature to support ideology and theology, states that scripture is like a "bazaar" that you can "make fit anything", and then preaches the gospel. I feel sick.
Excellent observation. The more that we think critically and ask the hard questions, the more their false narrative collapses.
Their true agenda reveals itself when we have the courage to expose the falsehood and push back against the deceit.
Remember, They prey on the naive and simple-minded. When we do our homework and discover the facts, we rise above the gullible masses.
@@westyso.cal.8842 Well they did start the conversation saying 'Americans are naïve' and the video was intended for them. But I needed to push back not least because I was reading comments thanking them for providing an alternative factual perspective and shedding light on the Palestinian plight.
I think that everyone has a bias, but I also think we need to understand that what we think is bias is a reality for those living there. As with anything there is bias formed by reality, but Daniel is very good at offering a historical perspective which is undisputed by both Palestinian and Israeli scholars. The current conflict is complex and self fulfilling prophecies for both sides.
@@CFCMahometYou make assumptions about where I live and my lived experience. Sometimes a lived experience, even one shared by others doesn't mean it's an objective reality. It isn't accurate to suggest that the historical perspective presented by Daniel is widely accepted by Jewish scholars. Although I am familiar with the few that he mentions, I am aware that the majority of Jewish scholars are highly critical of them. But they are handy to quote from if they suit your narrative. However, the aspect I found most disturbing was that Daniel was supposedly reporting as a Christian, but I found it was not a Christian perspective that he shared at all. There was no message of hope or discussion of a ministry of healing, leading others to Christ, and reconciliation. Instead it was an uninterrupted unchallenged spouting off of a learned dogma of hatred. I found that incredible sad.
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It was clearly a humanistic perpective, I'm afraid.
Not necessarily a Christian one,
which would consider both
the will and the mind of God.
'The kingdom of heaven' apart from Christ is not necessarily the Kingdom of God.
One thing that this made me think about is how we are using the word “Palestinians” which seems to wrongly imply “all” Palestinians, when in truth we are talking about Hamas. We are conflating ideological versus ethnic.
Well palestenian christians are also facing segregation since they still have to take a palestenian taxi / cab. Not also good.
I really appreciate this content. I don't see many Christian channels giving this view. It seems to be a blind spot for most. Kudos Preston! Good show!
This person is not being honest. I’m sorry but he’s leaving out incredibly important information that MATTERS. For once I’d love to have someone talk about this issue with facts, while leaving their bias and emotions out of it. Really disappointing. I was hoping it would be a balanced conversation, especially considering the education of this individual and that he says he’s a Christian. Too bad.
If you don't like his truth, state your own Truth. What is it he's missing, state it lets read
I’d also like to hear a Jewish person present the other side of the story.
Thanks for this, Preston. Very good
Preston why are you not asking for the full picture of Israelis killing Palestinians in the occupied areas? Your guest told about only one provocation, the curfew violation of his cousin. It would be more helpful if we could see the real picture of how the occupation works. Are the Jews truly walking in to the neighborhood and shooting Palestinians as they cook their dinner? Is he fairly describing the failure of the two state solution as something that just fell apart?
"Are the Jews truly walking in to the neighborhood and shooting Palestinians as they cook their dinner?" Yes. You can find reports of settler violence on daily basis. But American 'Christians' just don't want to listen and acknowledge the reality that their support goes straight into the ethnic cleansing of us, the Palestinian Christians, that is all.
JESUS WOULD NOT CONDONE WHAT THE IDF OR WHAT THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT IS DOING ,TO THE POEPLE OF PALESTINE, JESUS STANDS FOR LOVE AND JUSTICE
Regardless if you disagree, you have to admit that context is king, and it is important to interpret a situation. We cannot argue with the historicity that Daniel offers. It is agreed by scholars across the board.
I think listening to people who have first hand knowledge is the only way to get to the bottom of what’s going on. And people have different experiences. There is a man named Masob Hassan Yousef on UA-cam who experienced things differently. He is Palestinian, and is the son of a Hamas leader. He risked everything, including his life, in coming out of this evil regime. He wants nothing more than to see his people come out of the delusion that they have been fed by Hamas. His goal and purpose in life is to help his people. ❤
Great episode. He provided very important context that is really necessary right now. He was definitely NOT presenting both sides though. He clearly is anti-Israel (not without some justification) and used labels of neo-nazi, racist, apartheid state etc. to describe them but was always favorable in talking of Palestinians. Though not necessarily "supportive" of Hamas, he is clearly sympathetic to them. When he referred to people blaming Hamas he said that was blaming the "victim" . He said supporting Israel is supporting white nationalism. You should have pushed him a little about the six day war that started with Syrian back Palestinians guerillas attacking across Israels border and then Egypt (after inaccurate intel from Russia) moved forces to the Sinai penninsula ejecting a UN peacekeeping force that was guarding the border for years. Any atrocities committed by Palestinians were condemned but at the same time justified by saying (several times) Hey, if you're mistreated enough you pick up a gun. You should have asked him about the Hamas charter that clearly states the intention to eliminate Israel. I do not support the terrible atrocities committed by Israel or Hamas. He cited atrocities for which there are differing accounts though he squarely blamed Israel. He didn't talk about Palestinians used by Hamas as human shields. He seemed to deny that though overwhelming reports cite otherwise. I learned a lot from him though and I am thankful you had him on the podcast. It seems (though I don't support Israels oppression of Palestinians) the only solution acceptable by Muslim countries in the middle east is the elimination of Israel.
"Palestinians used as shields" so Palestinians have no rights to resist??? Israel is evil and created by Zionists, Zionists are Nazis. Why they needed to create Israel when they just simply could live in Palestine!
Regarding the hospital the bomb went off in the parking lot and it was a Way ward missile that did not come from the Israelis
I think this interview was recorded after the hospital bombing but before the airing of evidence that indicates it was likely a misfired middle directed at Israel. At least, I hope it was.
I wonder what Mr. Bonnoura would say now?
I have to say, this interview doesn’t give me much hope that there can or will be a just resolution that would allow both Palestinians and Israelis live at peace with each other.
Yes I second what Nancy said. We recorded soon after the bombing and our understanding was based on tweets by Israeli officials and analyses by Aljazeera, Channel 4, and Forensic Architecture. Only over the last 2 days more analysis was provided by WSJ, AP, CNN and others that challenge earlier conclusions. I hope there would be an independent international inquiry at some point. It's all very tragic and heartbreaking. :(
Daniel and Preston, thank you. The convoluted history is a bit clearer to me after listening to this interview. What a horrible and heartbreaking situation with no apparent solution. Lord, have mercy.
Stupid do you think we are even Israeli army said it was us after a month😂😂😂
@@dbrownazwatch ‘son of Hamas’ for on the ground knowledge…also be very aware Islam is behind the Palestinian stories/ lies.propalestian stories need to be clearly cleaned up from Islam lies. Remember Islam wants Israel dead and Islamists are allowed to lie.
What does Daniel mean by "the end of the occupation"? Does this mean the end is Israel?
Yes. It is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of 8 million Jews. I can't get behind it, I don't care how much "context" anyone gives.
Why does freedom for Palestinians necessarily make you think about the end of Israel? Why do one people have to be oppressed for another people to feel secure? The end of the occupation, at minimum, means a two-state solution where both peoples can enjoy dignity and freedom and security.
@danielbbannoura You said that Israeli occupation began in 1948. So logically, you would have to go back to pre-1948 when Israel was established. If this is not what you mean, then you should be clearer.
@@terrycampbell4387 I don't exactly remember what I said but it's very unlikely I said the occupation began in 1948 (please send me the timestamp). I detailed the oppression and dispossession of the Palestinians during the Palestinian Nakba in 1948 when the whole "conflict" began. Otherwise, the military occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip began in 1967.
@danielbbannoura I will go back and listen again when i have time. Until then, can you clarify what you mean by ending the occupation? Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, and yet it is Hamas that is attacking Israel.
As you said, true, you are insane Daniel 😀. Just back to the core Christian teaching, Jews, Jews Messianic, and all Christian denominations are Christ sons. And remember, "Palestinian" name by Hadrianus, Roman (Pagan believe) to change "Israel" identity. Palestine meaning invader. There is no Palestinian Land originally.
This is very helpful, Preston and Daniel, but I have a question about the BBible. How was the land before the Ottoman Empire? Were there Jews and Christians living there? I ask this because Israel is mentioned in the Bible quite several times. So, is the history tailored in any way to bring the point back to Jews staying in Israel?
What is Daniel and middle eastern christians perspective on end times? It seems millions of christians have been brainwashed with Darby and Scofield theology. Could he provide a link on this issue or resources on end times and the middle east.
Thank you so much for having multiple voices on your program discussing this extremely complex issue, and Christian voices! Thank you to both of you!
It is interesting that you speak about palestines Christians
Disappointed. Billed as a Palestinian CHRISTIAN'S point of view, this was hardly 'Christian ' at all. Instead it was one side's political reading of history. The title 'Christian ' is wholly redundant.
Despair, trauma and no hope.
PRESTON NOT ONLY IN GAZA, ALSO PEOPLE IN THE WEST BANK ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE FREELY, HE JUST OLD YOU THAT HE IS FROM BETHLEHEM AND THE IDF CONTROLS ALOMOST EVERY ASPECT OF HIS LIFE.
Apartheid? Really? There are Arab is the IDF, in the Knesset, as judges, as CEO of banks. Ask a west bank Palestinian would he rather have an Israeli ID card or a Palestinian one.
Preston, you have really stepped into it. If you have guests about this you really have to do your homework. This fellow just distorts, does he mention the displacement of Jews from all the Arab lands. Why are the territories "occupied"? Because the Arabs started three wars to drive the Jews into the sea and the Jews won. If these people would stop sending terrorists into Israel to kill people their life would improve immensely. Every Israeli wants peace because they have suffered from all these wars.
II would say this christians understanding of historical claims aren't complete. If he truly studies the bible and its historical context with reference to history, Israel has always held a much longer claim to the land. From Genesis to Paul, the land of Jerusalem is promised to the Israelites. Any historian will agree, the term "Palestine came later after christ from the Romans in later 2nd century after vanquishing Judaea. I would look at the solutions both sides suggest; if Palestinians say Islamic government should have authority over the land, then this is not biblical, therefore I question his Christian commitment. But if we think biblically, sorry to say, the name "Palestinian" means very little to the promise made to the descendants of Jacob and David. Point is, Geo-politcalics has no weight to a much bigger conversation.
I think you are conflating biblical Israel with the current modern *secular* state. I simply provide a quick summary of the events of the last 150 years since the rise of Zionism. I encourage you not to use the Bible to erase people and ignore their suffering. Also check out Nur Masalha's "Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History" for more history.
@@danielbbannourado you believe that Israel has NO rights to the land from a Biblical perspective? Honest and sincere question.
Also, where do you think the European Jews should have gone after WWII? Those that were still alive?
Again, honest question.
@@annlowry9841 that's a fair question. So I believe Christ changes the way we think about the land and the people. Through Christ, the land is extended to become all the earth and the chosen people become everyone (no difference between Jew and Gentile, see Galatians 3... etc.). Saying that a secular political state is the same as biblical Israel is historically naive and biblically very sloppy. See Gary Burge's "Whose Land? Whose Promise", and Colin Chapman's "Whose Promised Land?".
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Thank you for your response!
Where do you think the remaining Jews should have gone after WWII?
@@danielbbannouravery well put, thank you so much. We need to educate ourselves more on this
Daniel seems to be telling a very one sided view…
Indeed he is.
Shameful.
But what if the one side is the accurate side? Most of my protestant friends only have/know the other perspective. From my understanding, this obsession with Israel is mainly an American evangelical view.
@@westyso.cal.8842he is giving his point of view as a Palestinian Christian. Why is it shameful?
@@katiecugini979for Evangelical American Christians hold Israel as their “Golden Calf”. Most are brainwashed with their End Times theology which is less than 200 years old.
@@katiecugini979most of what he's saying is the truth but we have always been fed on side of the issue, until you really look it up thoroughly, sometimes it's hard to believe. Documentaries like creation and catastrophe, born in deir yasin
I wonder what he thinks about the covenant with Abraham for the land. Passed on to Isaac and Jacob. Not Ishmael. I feel for these people but what about what the scriptures say. Israel was in the land but they were displaced first. Then they finally got the land back that was promised to them. Where does God's sovereignty come in. Did God give the land back to the people.
If your interviewed Christian is saying things that are objectively false this is not helping anything
How do you tell he is a false witness??? You have data to back your claims?
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“A white supremacist fascist military diabolically and purposely targeting Baptist named hospitals in a concentration camp is objectively false” !
There is no debate.
If, if, if, if if a legitimate Palestinian cause, this is objectively hurting the Palestinian cause are more importantly, undermining to the gospel !
Sad, Darren, that your response to this brother of yours who is espousing a nonviolent way of Jesus is for you to just gaslight and deflect and say his claims are objectively false, writ large, without specifying any claim and without first responding with some form of empathy. You don’t have to agree with him, but Jesus calls us to listen, identify with pain, and then ask questions if we want to influence. Your response here concerns me. And I know you from Remnant and believe you are a genuine believer. But this is not the way. He straight up critiqued Hamas, stated he doesn’t condone it and grieves the death. If you didn’t actually listen to the whole interview and are just trolling, please go to the 1:30 mark and listen again. Do better brother. 🤟🙏
@@blakewidmer
I’m quoting him verbatim
@@darrenplies9034 how are you quoting me exactly?
This fellow seems to justify the terrorist attacks during the 2nd intifada. I remember those attacks, families murdered in their homes, a mother and her 7 children were burned alive in a bus, people shot driving down the streets, grandmothers pushing strollers and teenagers eating pizza were targets of suicide bombers and on and on.
After all the testimony of your guest, I can't help but think about Palestinians or Arabs living in Israel saying they would not want to live anywhere else because they have a good life there. I can't help wonder if your guest lived there having their rights. It seems the start of the conflict is not about land but it starts in the head. So many preconceived notions where there is no dialogue and those notions are assumed which leads to hate and violence on both sides.
Preston say Mohammed is a false prophet
Good perspective. Palestine needs real support. The people fighting for them aren't even fighting for them. The 500 anglican hospital death is debunked now and the deaths much lower with the missile being from an undetermined source based on third party investigation. The people who support palestine support hamas overwhelmingly abroad. People in power are not going to be receptive to international support of palestine if US individuals are supporting the worst vision of palestinian resistance. If you want to support palestinians and gazans be wary of making this mistake.
Do you know what this tells me about the Jews in Israel and perhaps around the world? They have not healed from their wounds of the holocaust. This is so very sad. 😢 They must heal. These are the things you do when you have not healed. You repeat what was done to you
WTH
Let’s hope you all are watching ‘son of Hamas’ for his take on the reality of Gaza…
Go get em Daniel! It's true. I'm over it.
When we begin with Jesus, and His teachings, we can see that to lesser or greater extents, both sides are wrong for not following Him and His righteous ways. We need to stop thinking that one side is perfectly good and the other side is perfectly evil. Just not true. Good and evil runs through all, some more than others on this side or that.
Thank you
Fear is at the root of all of this.
This man forgets that Arabs started all those wars and lost. Now he is complaining about the lost areas as occupied. It is these same stupid phrases again.
You are not telling the truth
@@montsec3445, he omits facts.
People in the west are waking up.
Russell Moore is forgetting that if we don't attempt to understand, we will repeat the evil which got us (as a European, I see the part played by Europe) into this mess.
Yes, Europeans are culpable for current events in occupied Palestine. Anti-Semitism originated in Europe. It began as a European disease.
Well if I was asked the question IF Im in the place of Benjamin Netanyahu I would still administer true justice and since I adhere to the Old Testament more than the new, I would still follow what My GOD says on
Isaiah 1:17 (WEB) Learn to do well. Seek justice. Relieve the oppressed. Defend the fatherless. Plead for the widow.”
Yes we can criticize Israel and Hammas. The secular state of Israel doesn't get to do the Palestinians what rhe Nazis did to the Jews. Period. End of the story.
Weren't Jews run out of the middle east by Muslims? What land did they occupy before being forced out?
Fake. Reafirmando Shlomo Sand
More inclusive idea obviously makes sense
“Powerful Jews of Europe caught up in the nationalism of the day.” That would be news to the ghettoes.
Thoughts and emotions are mental queefs & farts. You MUST learn to let them go.🧠💨
May justice be served by the just God old world style Amen
Does the Bible talk about the Palestinians?
Did the Church fathers say Christians should help Jews rebuild the Third Temple?
We must be careful. History matters.
The evangelical church is so very dissappointing. We need to wake up.
Documentaries to watch:
-creation and catastrophe
-born in deir Yassin
-5 broken cameras
-born in Gaza 2014
And Tantura
And Tantura
Tantura
Sorry, the reason for such atrocious attacks is not oppression. There have been oppressed people before, but no reaction like Hamas. No Christan should justify their actions. Also, Christians need to see Jews from their history and the contribution they have made, particularly to the Gospel message. Read Romans 11.
Why didn't the Byzantine empire help Jews return to Palestine and rebuild the Third Temple?
Both the idf & hamas are 2 sides of the same coin.
That’s just not historically correct. Look into apartheid South Africa
@@mirbear72 didnt u know that palestenian Christians still face somekind of segragation regardless if they are in israel or in palestine?
@@jirehla-ab1671Oh yes, I know. They have different taxis, separate sides of the roads and made it harder to marry Palestinians without Israeli citizenship
Thank you Preston , so informative!!!!!🙏
"The Sunday people "
This story of palestinians Christin persecuted in palestine need to be showbup again.
So racism and imperialism even in the part of powerful Jews. That is sad.
You know he could talk about the charter of Hamas.
Very disappointed. Would have liked to have heard more biblical history, not just 105 years ago history.
Yes, I was hoping to hear how he shared the gospel through his tribulations.
Why would they do that?
Because they are evil beyond belief