Year Zero of the Arab-Israeli Conflict (with Hillel Cohen) 2/12/24
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2024
- How far back should you go to understand the current moment in the relationship between Israel and its Palestinian neighbors and the attack of October 7? Some would say 2005, or 1967, or maybe 1948 when the State of Israel was founded. But for historian and author Hillel Cohen of Hebrew University, year zero was 1929. Listen as he explains to EconTalk's Russ Roberts the significance of that year for the current moment, and the challenge of being an open-minded historian when tribal issues loom large.
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Wow! Beautifully said, Cohen! This must have hurt, Russ. 44:00 onwards.
Finally, you brought someone on who didn’t fit your bias. I really enjoyed this one.
Please invite Dr. Stanton Hom to the podcast sometime.
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Thank you for an interesting discourse. Hillei Cohen raised several interesting points. Israel's history has been mostly defensive, not offensive. It is an unsolvable region, given the animus be it expressed in full or partial, from various quarters.
Well that took the wind from your sails.
Year zero was 1400 years ago.
You should try and get Destiny on.
I couldn’t keep watching after Roberts supported the war on Gaza. This sliver of history all seems so completely unimportant.
Me neither
And why is that?
So what exactly do you think Israel should do?
Let Hamas live to commit multiple massacres, as one of their leaders proudly boasted about on Lebanese TV?
I don't support the war on Gaza, I was attacked and then forced to stop our enemies from continuing attacking us. Gaza supports the war on us, and we must act accordingly.
You think our peace deals with other arab countries are based on them suddenly loving us? NO, they attacked multiple times and failed every time, coming to the realization that it's better to have us on their side rather than as enemies.
The so-called palestinians must come to the same realization. Just like Japan, Italy and Germany realized this. You don't establish peace deals out of weakness.
Especially in the arab world being meek and flabby as westerners would want us to be, only embolden the ideologically possessed jew-haters.
Which only encourages more attacks, which causes more deaths on both sides, and always more on the arabs side because while we invest in protecting our citizens they invest in the death of theirs both as a strategical calculation, as a cynical propaganda tactic and as it being part of their insane religious fanatism that literally brags about loving death more than we love life.
Not to mention that this is the war in which the civilian/combatant ratio of casualties is lower than any other war ever, despite what the anti Israel propaganda says.
Do yourself a favor and learn to do research on the actual facts on the ground and to base your opinions on that, rather than emotionally going with the narratives the masses are parroting around.
26:22 I have no doubt Russ and Hillel earnestly want to be open-minded and give a fair shake to the opposing perspective, but this comes off as performative in that they want to feel that they did that instead of actually doing it. Stating you have bias is not the same as overcoming it. It can even be dangerous, where because you know you have a bias, you believe that it no longer clouds your thinking. That is unfortunately not the way it works. Bias only dissipates when strong emotions dissipate. With this conflict, that appears very far away.
This series on the Israel-Palestine conflict (continues to) desperately need guests who present the Palestinian perspective.
What were the circumstances under which the policeman murdered the Arab family? Did he just walk into their home unprovoked and open fire? Was he a psycho?
About 1967, our president had gone out of his way to consult with our intelligence community about whether or not Egypt was about to attack Israel and everyone assured him that, no, Egypt was not about to attack Israel. Part of the reason for this was that although Egypt had a brand new state of the art air force, they did not yet have pilots well trained in the new jets. Anyway, Israel came to Washington and stated as much, Egypt is about to attack us, we want to attack first, and our president objected to this point of view but also offered his approval for Israel's planned assault on Egypt, basically giving the green light for a preemptive assault. But no one thought an Egyptian attack was imminent and Israel had been considering attacking Egypt for months before that.
Can Palestinians and Israelis coexist together? Absolutely !
Can we be objective, this is the challenge.
1:04:25 It is almost 100 years and the more things change the more that they stay the same. It is a curse when the conflict is seen through the prism of religion and mysticism, rationality takes a backstep and even when one side is vastly rational (by virtue of being more Western and secular) and hence morally superior to the other, still the overall conflict is inexorably recalcitrant to a detente.
That conflict started 1400 years ago when Mohamad failed to convince Jews to adopt him as a leader.
@@ef2718 Yes. And his response was to kill, enslave them and deport those who survived his massacre. Very humane and kind man he was 😅
Cain and Abel are still fighting.
This has become ZionTalk
Are you a Jihadist of the Isis kind?
Apparently you are either a massive antisemite or you didn't bother watching the entire video.
Exactly
Lies od Israeli propaganda😊