Jared Diamond: How societies can grow old better

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  • @nsjx
    @nsjx 10 років тому +5

    It's a good talk, but I heard very few answers to the problem being discussed. I also heard not so much about how older generations could help themselves to a small degree by allowing a certain openness towards modern society, instead of tending to shy from it (many do). That aspect is also extremely important. I do agree (being very close to someone who works in elderly care) that the quality of care is becoming worse and less of an important issue and this is due in significant part to the fact that nursing work conditions are becoming worse in some areas of the world. This is not good at all, however the converse reality is just not profitable, which is another good point Jared delivered. It is vital for older generations to never cease learning the world around them. In all of their golden experience (and it certainly is that) they must surely realize that societies modernize and there is no stopping this fact, therefore younger generations need to devise ways to help them (and they be willing themselves) to become acquainted with important developments and technologies. If you are in your teens and you have a grandparent in state-funded or similar elderly care then take a good interest in how they are treated and consider how this may degrade by the time you are sitting in those chairs yourself. Time is slippery.

  • @JakeKelley
    @JakeKelley 10 років тому +7

    Thank you for shareing your extensive works with us Mr. Diamond.

  • @TaylorBurke4
    @TaylorBurke4 10 років тому +21

    I'm a huge fan of Jared Diamond.

    • @magister343
      @magister343 10 років тому

      Charles C Mann is so much better.

    • @TaylorBurke4
      @TaylorBurke4 10 років тому +1

      magister343 thanks for your view, I'm definitely giving his material a look now.

    • @mjjack1247
      @mjjack1247 4 роки тому

      who isnt?

  • @stanleykubrick8786
    @stanleykubrick8786 Місяць тому

    This is so inspiring, it reminds us that success does not always spring from charisma.

  • @christopherdesrochers6438
    @christopherdesrochers6438 10 років тому +3

    A very insightful and thought-provoking TED Talk :)

  • @HexerPsy
    @HexerPsy 10 років тому +41

    That face looked familiar... Hmmm so does that name...
    OH! Its the writer of Guns, Germs and Steel! (great book about why the west is in control while other parts of the world lagged/are lagging behind - a must read! or must watch)

    • @MarkArandjus
      @MarkArandjus 10 років тому +2

      I had the exact same mental process when clicking this video :D

    • @mirkwoodian
      @mirkwoodian 10 років тому +1

      Also the author of "Why Sex Is Fun?" which is really interesting as well. I remember the first time I heard of the above-mentioned trilogy: an astronomist I admire was asked for summer reading tips in a science magazine and jokingly described Diamond's trilogy along the lines of "You're not allowed to say anything about anything unless you've read these three books." :)

  • @pyrhoe
    @pyrhoe 10 років тому +1

    I got nothing from this talk except interesting points in history. All of his examples of how old people are better than young people are circumstantial and for the most part, just plain untrue. Setting ego aside?? Being objective?? Are we talking about the same old people here? In this sense, I'm not saying that all young people are better at these things, I'm saying that it's entirely circumstantial. It depends on how the individual raised themselves, moreso than their age. Also, how does a subset of people experiencing the great depression help us avoid another one? What happens when all of the people who've experienced the great depression die? Are we going to instantly fall into another? Of course not! We capture these periods as actual history. Not recycled stories where the features change every time they are told.

  • @lamocontentgay75
    @lamocontentgay75 5 років тому +7

    Young People have more energy while Old People know how to use their limited energy for the better

  • @coolgal1293
    @coolgal1293 6 років тому +3

    I call my elders for everything. I know I can possibly google it but I’d still rather hear it from my aunt or grandma. That could just be me though.

  • @BeakerInShortShorts
    @BeakerInShortShorts 10 років тому +1

    Grandparent child care, in our experience, is amazing. Our children have the most unique life experiences being cared for five days a week by their Grandpa. Most kids in North America don't have the same benefit.

  • @Charles-Anthony
    @Charles-Anthony 10 років тому +1

    Everybody has read his book, "Guns, Germs and Steel," but he has also written the great books: "Collapse" and "The Third Chimpanzee." These latter two seem to get less publicity, but I suggest that you read these books, for they are excellent.

  • @jasonchampaneri
    @jasonchampaneri 10 років тому +20

    SOCIREEEEEEEEEEDY

  • @cineck
    @cineck 10 років тому +1

    Another great talk from TED. What accent is this? I figure its American but where from?

  • @SuperAlehandra
    @SuperAlehandra 10 років тому

    loved it! ageism is a serious problem,especially in advertising!I find particularly disturbing the ads which show almost always a young person(who is usually underaged) as the face for a specific brand(starting from Zara and ending with Coca Cola).The thing is they focus on young people because they are considered to have the strongest power to buy products of any kind.Parents should take a stand and start to discipline their kids and not to give into every wish,starting from nike schoes to iPads because "everyone in the class has one and I have to have it".Adults make the rules and adults make decisions,so you d better start making new ones,because I already see the generation that comes after me and man,it s not looking good at all!

  • @Memento_Mori_Music
    @Memento_Mori_Music 10 років тому +2

    Interesting talk.
    I'm only 27 and already one of my biggest fears is ending up in a retirement home.

    • @HiAdrian
      @HiAdrian 10 років тому +2

      Hope that by the time you reach that age, human euthanasia will be legal. Or rather, fight for that right!
      I hope that if I'm old and things get too bad, I can simply request a doctor to off me, if I can't do it myself.

  • @ryanflippin1243
    @ryanflippin1243 10 років тому +1

    The tv remote isnt complicated and isnt hard to understand, it is the elderlies lack of interest in the device (not that I can blame them) that makes it hard form them to learn and use the "new" device.

  • @arastoomii4305
    @arastoomii4305 7 років тому +3

    This man is one of the best human beings alive.

  • @DrDress
    @DrDress 6 років тому +2

    7:17
    I agree that down prioritizing the elderly with respect to healthcare seems cruel. But as he himself said its a case of limited resources and he just justfied this (and much worse) for some traditional sociaties by the same argument.

  • @anarchybruh978
    @anarchybruh978 9 років тому

    All cultures and societies have something to learn from each other

  • @betulkara2863
    @betulkara2863 8 років тому

    To be old better societics,we should previously ask ourself.Because every society has something to learn from each other.

  • @timmots
    @timmots 10 років тому +12

    Is it me, or does he look a bit like Abe Lincoln?

  • @lewisktownsend
    @lewisktownsend 10 років тому +11

    I disagree with the reason he states that hospitals prioritize the young when resources are limited. my understanding is the real reason is because younger patients are more likely to survive a major surgery.

    • @cavemansouthafrica
      @cavemansouthafrica 6 років тому +1

      Lewis Townsend what he forgot to say is that he’s assuming this is controlled, i.e. factored in (also known as “all things being equal”). if 2 people have an equal chance of living for ten years from surgery, but resources would inly allow one to get it, we give the surgery to the younger one because we value youth as opposed to experience.

  • @alexds8452
    @alexds8452 10 років тому

    Sadly not all persons (young or old) have sought to cultivate or improve themselves, so IMHO a seniority-based system is not entirely advisable. I can think of quite a few petty complaining recluse elderly, as well as some seriously foolish youth, but at least the young have an excuse... On the other hand, there are some amazing elder persons who actively participate & contribute in their communities best they can & that is definite grounds for full-on respect! This is also true of some young community-oriented persons. So, if we wish to remain relevant to society, then perhaps we should take an active role of contribution as opposed to entitlement simply due to going gray. We can choose to stay active & informed to stay relevant; or at least that's my take on it.

  • @HigherPlanes
    @HigherPlanes 10 років тому +5

    I imagine Abe Lincoln sounded something like this guy

  • @cueva_mc
    @cueva_mc 5 років тому

    What a legend

  • @yvonnedunlap7087
    @yvonnedunlap7087 10 років тому +2

    I think this leads to the question, where will you be when you are old? And, how have you influenced the youth of today to be able to take care of you? 40-50 yrs from now you will be left behind in technological education. Your bones will not respond the way they do now. You will probably be sick. You have to ask, will the youth of tomorrow feel you have outlived YOUR usefulness?

    • @hamzahmahmood8143
      @hamzahmahmood8143 9 років тому

      +yvonne Dunlap
      i will probably be like my womanizing grandpa,
      the men of my family have a strong and long lasting potency,

  • @zacharyp32
    @zacharyp32 10 років тому +3

    How many times did he say traditional societies?

  • @MLD.Ltd.
    @MLD.Ltd. 3 роки тому +1

    Jared Diamond on TED 2008: Why Societies Collapse
    Jared Diamond on TED 2013: How Societies Can Grow Old Better
    Jared Diamond on TED 2020: You Should Have Listened To Me

  • @0mnm
    @0mnm 8 років тому

    This was just sad.. We can do better as humans towards our parents and elders..

  • @landotter
    @landotter 10 років тому

    I know of one elderly person in a beer add. The most interesting man in the world, in fact! :)

  • @Jacob-Vivimord
    @Jacob-Vivimord 10 років тому +1

    What part of the US is he from? I like his accent. Is it Boston? Maine?

    • @TyTang24
      @TyTang24 10 років тому

      i don't know, it's been bothering the hell out of me :\

    • @DavidPD88
      @DavidPD88 10 років тому

      Boston, MA. So yeah, that's a New England accent. Like Mayor Quinby from The Simpsons.

  • @GarrettJSmith
    @GarrettJSmith 7 місяців тому

    Jared Diamond

  • @Trazynn
    @Trazynn 10 років тому +4

    It pains me to hear Jared plead for the utility value of older people. Many of his arguments are a stretch to say the least.
    The only reason why we should value and respect older people is because we want to become old one day ourselves. That's why we want to built a society that is capable of taking care of those that are performance wise redundant rather than forcefully trying to make every cog in the machine spin.

    • @Trazynn
      @Trazynn 10 років тому

      ***** I think that attitude is as divisive as Jared's because it works both ways. It's once again trying to turn the whole thing into some form of contract.
      I don't respect elderly in that manner. I'm not that impressed with the world they've put me in. Not in the slightest.
      However, I don't need to be impressed in order to take care of them because I want to create a better world than they did. One that includes facilitation for them as well as other weaker groups.

    • @Trazynn
      @Trazynn 10 років тому

      ***** I'm saying that simply having been on the planet before us is neither impressive or respectable. This was the century of growth, abundance and prosperity and look what they've done to the place.
      There's a few elderly I greatly respect simply because they're awesome/brilliant, not because they're old. As for the vast majority, I'm disappointed. I truly am. There's hardly anything worth praising in what the babyboomers did to this planet.
      And still, I won't begrudge them their care. Not because of their merits, but because they are human beings. Disappointing human beings.

    • @Trazynn
      @Trazynn 10 років тому

      ***** That's another weird attitude. I don't need to be perfect in order to asses what other people have done. These people had all the abundance, they could've shaped this world into anything and they've chosen this. To demand respect for that is laughable. And then to imply that people need to be respected before they get access to a decent lifestyle is even more ridiculous.

    • @Trazynn
      @Trazynn 10 років тому

      ***** That fatalistic and cynical view is exactly what repulses me about so many elderly. They're all a bunch of navel-gazers and I'll take great care never to become one of you.

    • @Innamoramento9
      @Innamoramento9 10 років тому

      Not all older people are like that. The problem with today's modern societies (I'm 30, btw, so not a senior) is that everything is based on an underlying notion of productivity. Everyone does not have a dollar value. Not every hour has to be spent networking or at otherwise being productive. Some of these elderly people are parents sacrificed heavily for a bunch of aloof, condescending and ungrateful children and it really makes me sick to the stomach to think of it, especially as the holidays come around.

  • @ShafiqNazrin
    @ShafiqNazrin 10 років тому +1

    Is this true about old people in America

  • @joskar88
    @joskar88 10 років тому +1

    It's not about how societies can grow old better, it's about how people can grow old better in society.

  • @zerubabel123
    @zerubabel123 10 років тому

    Jared Diamond's latest book, 'The World until Yesterday', as lucidly written and accessible as usual, deals in greater depth with the theme of his current talk.
    In chapter 6 of the same book, he brings back the valuable lessons that he learned in the treatment of the elderly while studying the traditional Fijian society and shares it with his 'youth worshipping' society.He is doing the right thing.That is a real problem in the West.
    However, it is also becoming a problem for those traditional societies that are now blindly copying everything from the West in their fast drive to 'open up and develop '. I am concerned with that mimicry. I am concerned with Ethiopia's aping in that regard.
    It is not just that we are discarding or devaluing our senior citizens and the indispensable cultural values and wisdom residing in them.
    We have also allowed that our wealth distribution mirror the inequalities of the West without even the mitigation of the Welfare State.
    We are oblivious to the glaring fact that our Epidemiology while still showing the huge burden of infectious diseases, it is also exhibiting the increasing prevalence of metabolic disorders including the various Cancers particularly in our urban canters.
    How are we to safeguard our well- being ?
    There are more fundamental questions to ask.
    What should be our idea of 'development'? When is it that we can rightly say we are growing economically?
    What should we do in resisting the big Juggernaut of Market Economics and Globalization?
    Aren't there any better ways to HUMANIZE OUR ECONOMIES and really FREE ( Amartya Sen's 'unfreedom' comes to mind) the poor?
    How do we fight against our acculturation?
    How do we again dignify the elderly and through them, connect with our living and vital past?

  • @MonkeyKong21
    @MonkeyKong21 10 років тому +1

    {How individuals within societies can grow old better}

  • @remfanbeforu
    @remfanbeforu 10 років тому

    I think Jared Diamond has some excellent points. To encapsulate: youth in the Western Culture do not take advantage of the resources in their own back yard, their parents. Coca Cola and beer ads are aimed at the young because biologically certain organs can only filter these beverages for a period of time.

  • @AstralFrost
    @AstralFrost 10 років тому

    If you have to choose who gets the organ, I think going with the younger person makes sense. They've had less time to live. An 18 year old versus a 70 year old? Shouldn't we give people a chance to have a little life? The productivity rationale may be practical, but it's kind of cold.

  • @Krutchtacular
    @Krutchtacular 10 років тому

    MY MAN JD!

  • @McGunnerBunny
    @McGunnerBunny 10 років тому

    One of the most importat problems, is the number of elderly. in traditional societies living 70 years meant much more, because out of 100 people only one would live that long, so his abilities and experiences were quayet unique. but today the same thing might be right with some one who has lived 120 years or so.
    other reason for elders (in my opinion) unfair treatment is, today medical facilities make it posible for people to be alive withought living. elderly are loved in traditional societies because they are valuable to them not because every one feels sory for them, but 7 of 10 ealderly I know have been hospitalized every other day, and have lived a (I asume ) painfull life not as a person but as a pasant! under heavy medications not to become healthy, but to live painfully while using the medication. I sure do not wish such future for my self.

  • @dannydiscovers
    @dannydiscovers 10 років тому

    Where is he from, can't place his accent?

  • @coffeefish
    @coffeefish 10 років тому +3

    Many elderly are not good people. It makes a "respect the elderly" ethos absurd.

    • @wisdomtoknow
      @wisdomtoknow 10 років тому +6

      Many young people are not good people.

    • @coffeefish
      @coffeefish 10 років тому +3

      wisdomtoknow
      No kidding, the point is, they grow up to be elderly and they don't magically become good people in the process.

    • @wisdomtoknow
      @wisdomtoknow 10 років тому +2

      My point is, that not all people are not good people. So respecting anyone based on age alone is not a good ethos.

    • @wisdomtoknow
      @wisdomtoknow 10 років тому

      But many older people are good people.

  • @alexds8452
    @alexds8452 4 роки тому +1

    Hasn't he noticed that the younger generation is NOT having kids? & doesn't he know that the average age of US politician is actually OLD... 60!

  • @cterio6
    @cterio6 10 років тому

    Many old persons are incapable of being useful. They can't work, carry loads or perform as they did when they were young. Some are very sick. Some develop Alzheimer's or other types of dementia. It's a fact of life.
    Are they worth less? I think not.
    Unfortunately, modern societies consider these citizens as a burden. This view has been heard by many of the older generation and they now feel that they are unwanted. Some will even consider euthanasia if they become sick and dependant of others. What is the usefulness of the dependant elderly? They provide the opportunity for individuals, communities or societies to develop compassion. Today's societies are more a group of individuals than a community. They have forgotten how to share there abilities to help others or to give back to those who have helped them develop the skills to do so. The elderly are mainly non self sufficient and are dependant. Let's remind ourselves of the importance of giving without expecting to receive in turn. Or dependant members of our societies allow us to show compassion. The best use of all. I suggest to J. Diamond to look at societies that practice compassion. He might be surprised to see that all members, even the sickly dependant elderly, are useful to it's harmonious development.

    • @roidroid
      @roidroid 10 років тому

      "he might be surprised" ? what?

    • @cterio6
      @cterio6 10 років тому

      My text was cut. "He might be surprised to see how communities thrive harmoniously when practicing compassion toward the sick, the elderly, the dependant."

    • @roidroid
      @roidroid 10 років тому

      C TERIO
      no, i read your comment intact.
      Jared isn't going to be SURPRISED TO SEE those things because he already knows about them quite well. Here i'll link you to a video where he talks all about it:
      watch?v=yPGwA7t6bpI
      ps: IT'S THIS FUCKING VIDEO.
      You may as well be saying that Jared would be surprised-to-see that his last name is Diamond. i mean wtf dude

  • @doodben
    @doodben 10 років тому

    You could play a good drinking game to this talk, Just drink every time he says “Soc,I,eties”

    • @roidroid
      @roidroid 10 років тому

      Yeah people who are this highly travelled tend to aquire neat accent combinations.

  • @MarjieWorld
    @MarjieWorld 10 років тому

    "We older people are not fluent in the technologies essential for surviving in modern society." Over-generalization! Multitudes of older workers in high tech fields have been long conditioned to constantly re-learn changing technology at a blistering pace. They age yet remain quite fluent in tech. So, they can babysit the grandkids PLUS help them use their favorite tablet app!

  • @Kevin-xs8xn
    @Kevin-xs8xn 4 роки тому

    Some notes:
    some societies kill their elderly - usually living in marginal societies (e.g., deserts) or nomadic (can’t bring them along)
    other end of spectrum - elderly live in same house or nearby family, cared for and respected
    two reasons for this variation
    #1: usefulness of old people (produce food, care for children, produce goods, sources of knowledge and leadership)
    #2: society’s values (Confucian doctrine of filial piety; US places low value on elderly, for example, hospitals have explicit policy of allocating limited resources to the young)
    Why does US place such low value on the elderly?
    -Protestant work ethic (elderly work less)
    -American emphasis on self-reliance and independence
    -Cult of youth (modern advertising)
    People living longer; ratio of old:young increasing; a flatter world is leading to more distance between families
    Elderly are less useful today due to widespread literacy, the Internet, technological requirements
    Areas where they can be useful:
    #1: primary caretakers for grandchildren, extended family
    #2: sharing of unique experiences (e.g., experiencing Great Depression and World Wars)
    #3: supervising, strategizing, teaching, synthesizing, devising long-term plans
    More if you're interested
    www.kevinhabits.com/ted/

  • @Mexicanadiense79
    @Mexicanadiense79 10 років тому

    Amazing that a man with the confidence to wear a maroon blazer still can't let go of the combover...

  • @aducksecho
    @aducksecho 10 років тому

    For dry itchy eyes use clear eyes

  • @crimsontaints
    @crimsontaints 10 років тому

    the issue i see is that "older people" in tribal societies were 40ish rather then 80ish. the problem with taking advice from such a source should be obvious

  • @Proloco47chev
    @Proloco47chev 10 років тому

    He sounds like the smart gremlin from gremlins 2.

  • @justinfst
    @justinfst 10 років тому

    Dos XX... granted, even though they have an older gentleman, he is not socializing and surrounded by young women

  • @tappinn
    @tappinn 5 років тому +1

    *societies*

  • @ManInMostlyBlack
    @ManInMostlyBlack 10 років тому

    Why don't you take that experience you have gathered for over 60 years and use it to figure out how to change channel on your tv.. Coca Cola is targeting their ads against young people because old people have already made up their mind about the product.. And people move to different places because they want to, not because of old people (well sometimes old people are a pain and you move)

    • @Valenminbari
      @Valenminbari 10 років тому +1

      I know right, some of this guy's conclusions are really not very smart.

    • @filosofoeduardo2
      @filosofoeduardo2 10 років тому

      ***** "..And people move to different places because they want to, not because of old people": Why do you make this statement? How is it relevant to what Jared Diamond actually says?

    • @ManInMostlyBlack
      @ManInMostlyBlack 10 років тому

      filosofoeduardo2 I can't remember why, i wrote that back in november.. I guess I'm getting old :)

  • @drgutai1
    @drgutai1 10 років тому +1

    Google! Fix your youtube! And stop automatically sharing my comments to google+ you hippy

  • @AndyLeeGraham
    @AndyLeeGraham 9 років тому

    I enjoy the use of traditional. When you realize there are about 25-50 modern countries, and around 200 not modern, or traditional. He would be more accurate to say in the normal countries on the planet. Andy of Hobo Traveler com

  • @noahnichols8395
    @noahnichols8395 9 місяців тому

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice

  • @Gillsing
    @Gillsing 6 років тому

    That constant chewing on hard candy was fairly distracting.

  • @rapauli
    @rapauli 3 роки тому +1

    Cough, cough, hack, spit. Sleep.

  • @ShinYoungNoh
    @ShinYoungNoh 10 років тому

    He looks like an old Russell Crowe

  • @bysykkel
    @bysykkel 10 років тому +2

    Ironically, I find this boring

  • @lilyjune69
    @lilyjune69 10 років тому +1

    :)

  • @nonnels
    @nonnels 10 років тому

    you taught me nothing, all of this information was obvious and you offered nothing.
    just like this comment.