Electric Power Steering PROBLEMS (Chevy Malibu C0545)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- This 2010 Chevy Malibu has something wrong with the Electric Power Steering assist system.
Customer says that the steering wheel "vibrates", but when the car showed up at the shop, there was NO ASSIST at all!
Let's research the Power Steering system and give the customer an accurate recommendation on how to address this issue.
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Ivan, I'm not saying my opinion is worth much but from someone who has been in this business for 30+ years and currently works at a big Ford dealership, man you are impressive. I seriously dont know how you have learned so much and still relatively young. I would say your in the top 3% of REAL TECHS out there these days. Its EXTREMELY hard to find a tech on your level and a MAJOR PLUS IS THAT YOUR ALSO HONEST......which in itself is a rare thing with mechanics these days!!!
Michael, comments like yours really keep me motivated to keep learning and sharing this information, and try to change how the automotive repair industry is perceived by people in a more positive way :) Thank you!
Someone should hire him !
@@joelhelguera6779 I think Ivan prefers to be an independent contractor. He is not only contacted by owners but is contacted by independent repair shops as an electrical problem trouble shooter. There is a lot to be said about being your own boss, especially if you are in high demand and highly qualified. His shop is also his home on a beautiful farm in Pennsylvania away from traffic and the city clutter.
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This is kind of funny. I was the product engineer for this chip; the EPS. I tested and qualified it for automotive use. The issue with the system as a whole is that the chip was left unprotected from road hazards. When the motor is on and the wheel experiences a large bump that causes the wheels to turn in a direction different than wanted, the motor actually generated a large voltage spike and takes out the chip. I know that GM did a bunch of testing on this as they blamed us for for a while. A few discrete components on the motor and this problem doesn't exist. We told them this when the module was being developed. It's actually a very interesting system.
Wow thank you for the insider information! Very cool!
Cant get no deeper inside than this , hey stop that dude!!!😁
All auto makers are guilty of this subject...no robust electronics, no robust terminators/connectors, no robust weather protections, no robust printed circuits or soldering !!
Just a thought
Sounds like an old school Mechanical Steering Dampener answer needs to applied using an Electronic Metal Oxide Varistor(s) / Diode to protect the motor ? would be a good idea to absorb that voltage spike from nuking the chip if GM cares enough for it`s customers
@@Garth2011 Anything to save a few cents per vehicle
back in 09 when my malibu had like 15k on it, i had the steering wheel shudder and sometimes while driving down the road the steering wheel would jerk then correct itself. I was a noob with diagnostics i was looking at the data and saw that it was drawing amps while the wheel wasn't being touched and the wheel was centered, I shot gun a motor/module assembly in it because it was under warranty and it did fix it. then gm always told us the torque sensors were non serviceable until they came out with the recall. lol If you ever do a torque sensor, they are very sensitive. GM wants you to pull the whole column to do the repair because of this. If you disconnect the i-shaft or jack up the front wheels with the steering wheel straight, and you take it apart and installed the new sensor make sure the pin is in the middle of slot on the sensor with no torque on the column, you can pull the pin and be fine, if there is the slightest amount of torque on the sensor it will never calibrate and is junk, and gm won't warranty them because they found out we were doing it in the vehicle. the snap ring plier adapters they sent us were purposly bent at a 90 degrees to try and prevent us from doing it in the car. out of all the recalls i have done i only ruined one sensor and that was before i started jacking up the front wheels to take the load off the steering shaft.
Great tips, thank you for sharing!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics if there wasn't a core on the power steering motors id love to see you tear the module appart to see if you can find the failure! I love watching you find things on component levels!
They always bring an empty tank of fuel unless you are hired to change the fuel tank, then they bring a full tank. Never fails.
you noticed that too! the very first thing they do is go fill the tank, when it starts running funny, thinking they're running out of gas, because they always run it low.
example: 30 gallons of freshly pumped gas in pickup truck, which is now broken down right at the gas pump, it was sputtering and running bad with low fuel level and better yet, the weather was 3F with howling winds and powdery snow. towed in and everything that could go wrong, went wrong. 5 gallon buckets of gasoline sitting everywhere(lids on outside) 🤬😡
Tell me about it. The fuel pump recall letter we send out for the customers specifically says to have the fuel tank under 1/4 full and they STILL bring that bitch full of fuel. 🙄🙄
Electric Power Steering repairs are always expensive because of the cost of replacement components. Thank you Ivan. Great Video
My 2017 ram 1500 EPS went out 7 months ago at 60k miles. $2500 to replace plus 350 core.
What is wrong with hydraulic fluid ps systems? I never had a pump to go out. I had one hose replaced that was leaking, and changed a few belts - 20 minutes and $12.
Why fix something that is not broken? Now Chevy owners have to spend over a thousand dollars for power steering? Weird!
@@jamesefird3753 you just answered your question they want more money when it breaks
They solved this problem 60+ years ago with a large steering wheel. No power steering pump, no modules, no sensors. The larger steering wheel allows the operator to apply torque efficiently and get their heart rate up during parallel parking. Still works fine on my '67 F250. :-)
60 years ago vehicles didn't have 12 inch wide tyres fitted...
This car doesn’t have 12 inch wide tires, what’s your point?
@@jedm1466 The modern day F250 does. My point is that modern cars have much wider tyres and are also heavier than they were 60 years ago, so a big steering wheel isn't going to work too well compared to power steering.
Granny would not like that solution
I'm in favor of power steering. But, when I was in the USArmy stationed in S. Korea 50 yrs ago, I had to drive a deuce and a half several hours to our headquarters for supplies several times and it had manual steering and a huge steering wheel. It was all on dirt roads and included a stream crossing if you took the short cut. It was fun! The courier drivers who hauled the majority of our supplies back and forth 2 1/2 hours each way got so good at driving those 2 1/2 ton trucks that they were drifting around the curves with the trucks loaded to the roof with Coke and Beer. Hey, it was a boring life stationed in the middle of the rice paddies at the missile site and we had to have some entertainment somehow!
I have never heard of electrical power steering failure, but I should have known Chevy wouldn't let me down
Got a good one on a Honda Hybrid coming up too :)
Just about all the same junk with a different tag on it...
Dam i wish i lived near a honest guy like you iv been paying shop after shop and still my car wont run right 2011 changed alternator twice 2 new batterys (one was still on warranty) starter and the neg battery cable will NOT thighen up ughhhh they recalled the battery cable so wjat does a peraon do? Help me figure this out please! Dam it would be wonderful if you lived in north Dakota 😂
This might be long. I FINALLY FOUND THE RIGHT VIDEO!! AWESOME VIDEO. GM kept warranty on module & sensor to 150K due to problems. I had mine fixed for free at 100K, both units. Then at 160K the problem came back. Guess what? It started after my older battery went bad but when I replaced the battery the problem is there. What a cluster. I'm playing the parts game now and feeling like it's electrical because this year malibu is notorious for this. I notice you didn't mention what a pain replacing that sensor is. Yea, it's not a real expensive part but labor is intense. I've decided after watching to buy the sensor. I already bought the motor but haven't installed...yet. Be nice if I can return it. Thank you so much for scrolling through the diagnostic screens, they were a lifesaver, especially the voltage #'s. Couldn't find those anywhere. At 160K, I can't justify buying that tool. I would if I had money to blow. 😂 Ugh. Thank you again, I've been searching for this info for a couple months. That's you tube for ya. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Good luck!
One more reason to keep my 20 yr old F150 and 17 yr old Dodge Magnum RT.
A bad battery caused all kinds of havoc on my neighbors 2009 Corolla, she called me one day and said she had no power steering, when she got home she pulled into my driveway and shut the car off, it wouldn't restart, I put my charger on i5 for half an hour and it started and the steering worked again then the dash lights and gauges acted like they were possessed.i installed a new battery and everything went back to normal.
Great video Ivan, GM was just starting to install power steering
assist in 05 when I left the Dealership to drive a truck!!
they were working on a electrical ps for the fiero at delco in kettering ohio ,,
This is a great video on Electric Power Steering.
I refuse to work for used car dealers. They want you to do the diag, then want to do the repairs themselves. If the repairs don't go well, they're back wanting a free follow up. Common to get them with junk batteries and no fuel. Insist on the whole job or send it down the road.
Interesting point! I take on these diags simply because auction cars make the best case studies 😉 It works out in this case, but probably not for a "regular" shop...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yes and remember that your time has value. Always charge for what you do and always be current with your fees, keep them in snyc with the times etc. Used car dealers of sort typically aren't your source for profits...It's bad enough that they avoid a dealership and opt for independent mechanics pressuring the independent to charge even less than an independent would normally. Will they include you in the profit margins on that sale? Not likely so charge accordingly and if things are really complex, up the hourly rate for brain matter needs.
@@Garth2011 amen
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I agree
Exactly!
Electric powersteering are super power hungry, and super peaky in power consumption. The alternator just can not handle such fast load change. This is why the battery is so important!
Why so much crap with these cars JUNK
@@Nicole-dj3jf more feature, more fuel economy. An electric powersteering actually use way less power than an old classic one as the hydraulic fluid isn't always circulated. The motor is only activated when needed at the power required, unlike the hydraulic pump that is always idling and pumping.
In most of the repair videos I watch from this channel to several others, the gas gauge always seems to be 1/4 or less ! Also, the batteries are usually weak and can't function more than half an hour it seems before they crap out and need a charge. I'd agree with Ivan, during the appointment process one request should be made by the shop to the customer as a requirement, "please bring the car with no less than half a tank of fuel" !! In addition, I'm guessing here but mechanics may as well make it a routine to hook up a battery charger to all jobs before working on them since most of todays diag requires power. Maybe as well presume most vehicles will not have a strong battery for that.
p.s. I prefer the hydraulic power steering assist as it passes "the feel" of the steering system to the driver while electric assist is a completely different animal.
You and two other channels have been very good about pointing out the problems with a poor electrical system. Thanks for an interesting diagnosis.
Another great diagnosis Ivan! Looks like these newer cars rely heavily on a stable power supply upon start up to ensure that the modules function properly. Agree that the steering motor and torque sensor may have been damaged due to the power feed dropping out. Better to change a failing battery than having parts go out on you constantly. Cheers!
Computers do NOT like bad power. That's true of all of them.
I'm having this same problem and my batter had to be charged up. Do you think if I replace the battery the issue might go away?
@@Chocolatechipstl can you use your cell phone with 2% charge....you could but not everything. Well, what happened? Did you get a new vehicle...🙃
Going through the exact same thing with a 2008 you just saved me loads of diagnostic time
Just did some digging, GM put out Special Coverage 15356 for the power steering sensor. However, since it is a special coverage and not a recall, the only way to see if it applies to your vehicle is by registering online. My car never had any symptoms until now and the coverage expired in 2021. I submitted a complaint to the NHTSA to make this into a recall so that people aren't paying out of pocket for something GM knows is faulty. If you have the same issue, please submit a complaint to the NHTSA. A quick google search will reveal the Special Coverage Instructions GM sent to all the dealerships 5 years ago.
It's a clue gm should leave well enough alone. That being said with a very high miles o6 impala so far so good..hit the left side with a curb...
Talk about going beyond TS. That was a good one Ivan.
I notice that Fords have alot of EPS issues. great find in that chevy. learn something today. top notch
I had a customer with electric power steering issues.
Quoted her the part cost and labour cost. She called a few days later. Purchased a new 35k vehicle because she could not afford the cost of replacing the electric power steering issues.
🙄
Thanks Ivan. Digital technology requires a clean proper source of power to work properly.
Did one this summer, I went with a used whole assembly, so many of them in the salvage yard with junk engines. And you can get lucky and find one that was already replaced by gm
I believe GM has a special service policy on the torque sensor. Until that become a common issue, the whole column had to be replaced.
They had a recall if memory serves me....
A recall was made only on certain VIN numbers. My 09 malibu had these symptoms, I was 8.5 months pregnant Dec 2019, all of these warnings popped up, loss of power then car shut off on a busy road avg speed was 50mph. Middle of nowhere and no cell service. Trying to steer with no power or anything was hard and at night was extremely risky. They will not recall the parts in my vehicle or acknowledge the problem is with all the torque sensors not just some.
@@raven_moon4206 I have the same problem with an 09 Malibu. GM told the young girl who owns the vehicle to basically "Take a Hike!!!" Jerks!!!!! I also think this Malibu is suffering from the Intermittent Fuse Box problems which has been well documented on UA-cam.
Good lesson, Electronics do not like low voltage. Thank you for the insight.
There was a recall out on the torque angle sensor
Gm said no recalls for steering
Anyone buying a GM last 10 yrs is a sucker, RUN!
This one is 12 years old.
Id say anything newer than 2008. When I get too old to do this shit anymore, I want to go to work for a manufacturer in their R&D department. All I want to do all day is say "No. Nope, Uh uh, no, HELL no!" These engineers have gotten out of control. They need some master techs to set them straight.
Just shows how dependent today’s cars and trucks of all brands are on good batteries. My 2016 ram went completely stupid because it had a slightly weak set of batteries (diesel with dual batteries). Once I put new batteries in the truck, of course in the middle of winter, it was amazing how it went back to normal and no more weird issues with defrosters and grid heaters etc
Alternators just the same yet OEM doesn't provide any added amperage in alternators, just what pencil's on paper. As time goes by, cables, connection, the alternator etc. all will loose their rated output and conductivity meaning, at some point, the amperage isn't as much as it was new and conductors aren't passing current like they had. My guess is, a 200 amp alternator is likely the best solution for most modern vehicles today yet they come with 140 or 160 amps.
@@Garth2011 mine had a 220amp alt in it, but the batteries were dragging down the system and putting it into a “fail safe” mode so it didn’t cook the alt. $400 in Napa agm batteries later and it was fine. Pretty much batteries are going to a 3-4 year cycle on them, soon as they start getting weak, the system just can’t work with that now
Dang! More Chevys, of course. 😂 Great video 💪🏼
@@crisprtalk6963 😂 👍🏻 I always joke but I like some Chevys. I like any vehicles that will run. I only joke because there's always those die hards that think their brand is flawless.
Ivan, the power (electric assist) steering, ESC, anti-lock brakes, TPMS, and other computers on my KIA Sorento are integrated to a level, that it can tell within a minute or two that you’ve rotated the tires, and with no outside programming, will display the correct tire pressure at the correct corner of the car on the in-dash display after the rotation is done.
Evermore, cars are getting more complex, both for design and repair. A car repairman is demonstrably a TECHNICIAN [an expert in the practical application of a science.] I foresee car computers getting even more capable to assess multiple parameters to funnel down to more precise trouble spot identification. Computer capability is limitless.
Thanx Ivan .... and thanks for using the term "fussing" which was a favorite of my dad.
How do you get the Chev dealership to do the job for free because they had a recall for that. And how long does a recall last.
Yes well, my Mazda 6 had a power steering replaced after it failed and it cost $3500 to replace thankfully because the unit was damaged by the surface of the road (hitting a large pothole) that is out here I Australia so I am wondering how much this job is going to cost in the US??
Good to know. My 2020 RAV4 has elect steering assist. Don't know if Toyota will show that problem or if it has a way to compensate for a dead battery. Modules do not like the battery power to drop in power and some require a recalibrate cycle to get back to normal operation.
Good one Ivan.
I’m so intrigued and always Looking for ways to fix my own car 😅and somehow inherited my mothers car problems n from my knowledge Of cars which I have some I thought ok I’ll just get the steering pump but ofcourse not THIS CAR DOESNT HAVE ONE 🤯 so your video was more then helpful and I am so thankful of your spreading ur knowledge. Because WHAT A PAIN N THE BUTT CAR
I am surprised there is no power steering assist if the only issue is the torque sensor. You would think a default voltage can be substituted so the customer can still have assist. Lets see where we go from here.
The system has no way to know how much assist or which way without that sensor. That's also why it has redundant channels so it avoids the assist slamming the steering to one side on a failure.
I had the first Malibu with elec steering, never had a problem, but I did keep a good battery at all times. Put 200 plus on that car
I'm having a real similar issue I have a 2012 Chevy Malibu and I've got the service ESC light and power steering light, or rather messages, on the dash. This just suddenly happened out of nowhere. I plugged in my scan tool and my torque voltages are a consistent 2.5v or so but my position sensor voltages are erratic on #2 and it initially showed only .25 amp at the motor. After doing some clearing and reading the dtc's and ignition on and off similar to what you were doing, now messages are gone and I have power steering. But I don't know if it's permanent. I sort of doubt it but I can't really diagnose anyting at this point until I have a problem again.
On a side note my drain tube for my sunroof had come disconnected and there was rain water running down the A pillar and some moisture got into the driver's foot well area so maybe it just had some moisture causing a problem and now that I've been running the car with the heat on and messing around with it it's dried out? And yes I did reattach the drain tube. I'll probably at least get down there and make sure there isn't any moisture on the connectors and maybe throw some dielectric grease on them, but not as much as was on this vehicle...hahaha
I've got the same problem
Rain is coming in my car causing my car the power to shut down. The dealership said they dont make the parts no more and its water in my dashboard and on the floor etc.. what you was saying. How and where do i take my car to drain tubes
Thank-you for going though this in detail. What are the symptoms of a bad steering wheel torque sensor aside from hard steering such as backing out of the driveway and driving off down the road? I have a 2008 with a new power steering rack and it makes a power steering noise (such as it's low on fluid) and it is also hard to turn the wheel when driving but eventually works itself out. Thanks
I just had this problem on a G6. Intermittent code C0545 and shaking wheel at idle in park. Customer would lose ps once in awhile. Scan data showed no sensor faults in live data even when the wheel was shaking! Dealer said it was the motor and those are big $. It was the torque sensor. I had trouble calibrating it with my OTC fyi...
The lack of motor command at key on engine off is likely normal. The assist isn't generally enabled until the engine is started.
For sure! But the module should always show the calculated torque input 👍
Ivan says no parts required. But it does? Haha!! Wow. With dead battery, it zaps the module to death! Never seen that before!! Great video! Gotta love Malibus, i actually considered buying one, but now i find out this has electric steering. Ill avoid that!! Haha!
man, i am die hard GM, but dang are this generation and up Malibus GARBAGE, i have not found one redeeming thing about them, from having to pull the front bumper to change headlights, to the infamous throttle correlation codes, water pump failures, head gasket failures, catalyst efficiency codes, and the nightmare power steering, it rode bad with the factory struts, rode worse with aftermarkets, so much so that I hit the junkyard and put factory ones back on it, radio speaker channels conk out, the car was a rolling dumpster fire
@@mattcat231 that's what ive been finding out. I agree with you on that
when you say torque it sounds like twerk , my girlfriend was giving me the look and had to come and see what i was watching. Are you from boston or something? Either way, very informative and useful information.
Lmfao! Bro!
The Pontiac G6 as well as the Malibu and others had a recall issued in 2014 for models between 2005-2010. I have a 2009 and my torque sensor has gone out, but when I input my VIN, it says my car doesn’t have an active recall. Cheapest I can get a new sensor installed is $900. Dealership wants to just install a new steering column. There’s a step-by-step UA-cam showing every step in taking out and installing the new sensor, then the new sensor has to be recalibrated.
I have had a few cars with EPS problems, the GM cars very high mileage cars and when you look for parts which are not cheap it was a better deal to just get a used unit and it was faster and worked better cost wise for customer. The Hyundai Kia's were the rubber spider drive which is cheap and not a bad job. The Fords needed racks complete as they are mounted on the rack and always use new mounting bolts as they will loosen up or break when not replaced. The Fords have been the most expensive by far and failure prone. I full agree with you on batteries on new cars do not mess around as it causes too many other problems on modern cars.
Is there anyway to program USED 2015 Chevy equinox electric rack and pinion and module ?
@@serge4856 on the ones I have done the last one was a Malibu just put it in and it was good to go as far as checking or zeroing all the parts a scan tool can do that on most tools even lower cost ones if needed
could Bad tie rods also give false feed back readings on the torque sensor( not the zero drop out) with no load (slightly loading the steering wheel with your hand)? I'm interested, and have not run into it BUT!
Here's a novel idea...hydraulic assist power steering, and learn how to parallel Park yourself & stop making the automobile so damn difficult and expensive to repair?
Until the power steering rack leaks because having a thin long shaft in an automotive application is a bad idea. Id rather have recirculating ball with hydraulic assist, much more robust system.
I can't agree with you more ! but to install the torgue sensor you have to take the steering coium apart ??. Always go back to basics when I went to GM institute back in the day my instuctors always brought that concept to us in class over and over and it makes so much common sense when your Diag a problem .
Lesson #2, dielectric grease is bad on low voltage, low current, small connectors! I don't care what any of the UA-cam "mechanics" may have said other wise, I forget who did a video on it. It IS dielectric and does not conduct. Good for trailer connections to prevent corrosion, but on that small torque sensor connector, not good. I've personally seen it on more than one occasion fuck up low voltage signals. It does have it's uses for electrical connections, but not for everywhere.
I am sure that torque sensor is bad, but that overly generous, shit ton of electrically insulating grease someone jammed in it is not good either.
I agree, dielectric means insulating, so if anyone said I am going to repair a bad connection with insulating grease it might dawn on them.
Especially on a connection inside the cabin. You shouldn't really have to worry about corrosion or moisture ingress.
Excuse me, what scanner are you using? Thank you for the information.
See description :)
Great diag. Today's vehicles needs a good battery.
It is no fun trying to get the dealer to figure this out. They just fire up the parts cannon. Oh, and just happened to call GM who said, "We'll pay for it." This system seemed very experimental in our Malibu.
Had a similar problem on my '09 Saturn Aura(4cyl)....power assist would intermittently quit while I was driving. GM had a recall for certain models of '08 and '09 vehicles. My Saturn fell outside the cut-off date. Repair was $850 at dealership.
That’s the best Walmart battery I ever seen😂
Malibu/Cobalt and Sonic seem to be having some problems. I guess these are the cars that they call throw a way cars?
Pretty much...
Mali-BooBoos, I am bowtie til i die, but dang did GM make these some hot trash rolling dumpster fires
@@mattcat231 They are all over UA-cam one after the other. Repairs galore.
In modern cars a lot of unrelated problems are caused by bad batteries. If you have a bad battery replace it before any other diagnostics.
As always with modern cars they need a good steady power(battery) . If not it's like pulling a dead horse.
bonus footage is like the marvel movies I always wait to see something, nice video!!!
Thank you bro What kind of scan tool is that
why they do electric power steering ? Is it easier usually more durable than hydraulic ? cause it looks like changing or adding fluid is way simpler than messing with the programs if it's not working well
There went all the fuel savings from doing away with hydraulic power steering...X7.
Wow...is that the legendary DT-3 walmart neverstart battery?? I used to have a part time job at a walmart tire and lube shop and we sold those DT-3's like gangbusters.
I know this is not totally the problem and I AM NOT HAVING A GO at the owner or anyone else .People need to know what Dielectric grease is used for.
oh a battery can cause many problems including service esc ...i have a 2010 malibu n when battery died i got service esc n wouldnt start n yeah not nice when u see service esc which stands for electronic stability control
Hi Ivan, I bought an 08 Malibu with 3.6L. I realized I could not communicate with the power steering control module and that of HVAC module. I checked the fuse under the hood and also realized it was missing the fuse no. 41 ….
No steering assist, zero DTC for the steering and hard to turn.
just replaced my steering column on a 09 escape, intermittent lost of steering assist, w/only a B1342-6F code for pscm visible w/ forscan but no engine light turned on . went to a wrecker for self pulling parts got the whole column includes motor, module, steering wheel and t sensor $120. no issues yet. hard to find one at wreckers cause all were missing the column as its a known problem
is this expensive electronic part really cheaper than hydraulics?
It's the engineers driven by the insatiable quest for more MPG. One less accessory running off of the main accessory belt.
I hear the early Austin Martins were built with the driver in mind . Serviceability & parameter adjustments of components.
It's not the engineers, it's the EPA.
@@charleshenshaw9099 Correct , they are the initiators & the root cause of this.
i lost my job because of the epa. they are going overboard. whether the air is clean or dirty we have to provide for our family
I Thought Speed Sensitive Steering Was A Bad Idea On My 1997 Chevy Truck This Electric Steering Assist Is Worse Yet
At Least After I Unplugged It The Steering Felt Better Like The Old Days When Simple Engineering Worked And With Less Headaches
We at the dealership replace both the motor and steering column. Replace one part the other is bound to go out. Better to replace both and be done. Reprogram and that's all
How did it go and what was final cost if you don't mind my asking?
Had a similar problem in an 2009 malibu. Same symptoms and progression. Battery and alternator tested fine in the car until I noticed dim headlights.
Turned the alternator was bad or going bad. I replaced the alternator and all was well and good again. The alternator failed a load test off the car. Evidently the Amp draw from the steering motor is high enough that it requires the alternator charging to work properly when the automatic headlights and all yhe other electronics are running.
Great job Ivan, but I was hopeing for NPR ;-)
Auction cars are usually not NPR haha
This is a well known problem with the 2009 Malibus as well. I had to change my daughters in her Malibu.
I own a 2010 Malibu and I had the electric steering repaired under the special extended warranty.
We have a 2009 Malibu, dealer replaced the steering angle sensor free under the recall. But I cannot find a similar recall for the 2010 Malibu.
nicely done. Being a GM owner for the last 20 years, always make sure your battery is good. Curious, what's a 2010 150k Malibu going for on that lot?
How much dielectric grease is the right amount?
Just enough to cover bare metal from exposure to air when both mating surfaces of the connection come together. The fit will squeeze out any excess anyway.
It will make a difference in the long run & on exposed connectors like your trailer wiring end connector it will def help when water does find its way in by dunking & capillary action from continuous wheel spray & rain.
On interior connectors it's not necessary. On exterior connectors a small dab is enough :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics That Malibu actually has a service bulletin out for the brake pedal position sensor circuit between it and the BCM. I worked on one that would set a traction message and the brake lights were on all the time. The bulletin, in part, has you add dielectric grease to the connector at the BCM which is in the center console area. Nowhere near what was on those EPS connectors, though.
Where did you get this scanner from? Would any scanner work? Im having this same issue with my car
Omg do you see these ads? I cant believe people fall for some of this crap. If someone is making 50k a month, why the h#ll is he going to teach you for 200$? Why would you tell anyone. The more people that know decrease your security. Sorry for the odd comment it just really gets to me.
Adblocker for UA-cam. I never have to put up with ads, unless the poster does a sponsor tag. When they do that, I quit the video.
2v on a dead battery = undervolting so many systems. The car is suppose to not even attempt to start or come on, but I suppose with jumping the carconstantly that might bypass the protection.
I still got from that Honda with the torque sensor issue..
When in consideration of network and digital diagnostics, a stable and constant power source is MANDATORY. PERIOD. EOL.
I have a 2011 Chevy Malibu. It also says “service ESC” replaced the part you had in the backseat. Light still on and traction control doesn’t work at all. I pushed the traction control button does nothing.
It drives okay/steering okay. But still what am I missing ?
I think I like hydraulic assist steering much better. It works and is very reliable.
A good electric power steering system is very reliable and will never leak fluid. I prefer electric except on the GM vehicles. Most others it's trouble free.
@@johnaclark1 I have never had a problem with any vehicle with hydraulic assist. Even shitty GM and FORD never let me down.
@@mikefoehr235 I've replaced many power steering pumps on all different makes for leaks, noise, and lack of assist. I've replaced many racks for leaks and lack of assist. I've replaced so many leaky power steering hoses I've lost count, especially on GM trucks. Early to mid 2000 Toyota PS reservoir hoses and PS racks (think Siennas with the bulletin out on leaking steering racks) are extremely prone to leaking but I've never seen or worked on a Toyota EPS system and they've been out since the late 2000's. The Corolla had EPS starting in 2009.
@@johnaclark1 I now have owned 4 Toyotas...not one has ever leaked anything at all. No oil...coolant...transmission fluid...power steering fluid. 4 Toyotas with zero leaks. The only leaks is me after 4 or more hours.
@@mikefoehr235 Every vehicle with liquid in it will leak eventually. I'm telling you what I work on on a daily basis. There are WAY more hydraulic power steering leaks and other problems than EPS issues, even on crappy GM vehicles.
Hello Ivan, you genius! Thank you for your videos, did you have any problem with Subaru steering? I have a first generation crosstreck and power steering is death...but before death it was intermittent failure , don’t know if is rack, or module, or watch...thank you
These electronic power steering systems sound dangerous.
GM has long had an issue with insufficient insulation which forces use of heated seats which max out the alternator output with high fan speed. Add power steering pump load and it is a real mess
Check the ground wire. On these models it's braided. I was able to crush mine with my fingers
My power steering is coming on and off. It will stop for a few months then come on again. I bought it off someone of last year. Is it even worth repairing? Will it come back on in the future
That column sounded pretty clunky at the end there
It's a Chevy thing haha
What was so bad about the old Hydraulic system that they thought this was a better option?
Is it possible to check if the motor is burned out by supplying power directly to the motor terminals only?
There is a recall on this issue. I have a 2009 pontiac g6 that has the same issue. I called GM and the cardealership where the recall was done and they told me I have to pay for a diagnostic and base on that I have to pay to get it fixed even though the recall was done on the car.
I've the same issue
@@lareina2065 I called nhtsa.gov and file a complaint stating that the issue with the electric power steering happened again after having the recall done. I was told to file the complaint so that way GM might fix it again, but people should fille a complaint. So I recommend you file a complaint.
Hi. Ty for the info.
What is part they have to replace.
@@agmendoza2830 what is the part called ?
I love electric power steering, except on these Chevy cars. I’ve done a bunch of them. They’re pretty easy actually.
how do u do it i need help ASAP, im down bad brotha pls help me
I’m LS swapping a Genesis G80, how can I get my to work? Can the CAN be bypassed for it to work for this swap🤨
Yes, a $1300 scan tool will work but use it once, then what? Paint the car sell it. Take to the dealers and get it done with warranty recall on 2010-2012 or check online with NHSTA. That was hard. Plus, the part you just overpaid for at the parts store, is a copy of the first design, now better because high failure rate items are sent for engineers to test. They change the resistive material silk-screened onto plastic, increase the size of the finger that make contact for less wear due to increased surface area or buy one the will fail again. Lost steering assist, could turn, crashed and goes to a salvage yard. Let us but that one and do it twice. Then take in for repair at the dealer. Ask questions, they can see live data. What right and wrong? Well Charlie that’s a good question, should we ask a tech at the tire store who has done two of these or the tech at the dealer who has replaced 913 and can confirm the repair is correct? I say the dealer; said Charlie! Good boy, after all it is your wife car and you know what they say about a happy wife! Charle says “Yes, I do because I have done this before and wasn’t fun…for months, plus she still brings it up!
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Did you ever fix this ??? Having a 2008 Malibu with a similar concern, came in with no P/S or intermittent P/S.... same code pops up, and similar problem, BUT did you replace torque sensor ??? I did on this one, and TRIED to run the calibrations w/ a S.O. scanned, and calibration is so fast, goes threw faster then clicking Yes button.. start car, steering wheel takes OFF to right, and NO assist, just wants to go right...any help ????
I don't get it. At 19 minutes you confirmed a bad torque sensor and I assume you replaced it. Then you were called back and at 27 minutes you confirmed the torque sensor was bad...again????
Can this sensor cause stabily track off/service light?
I replaced the brake light switch but i have the stabily track light when i turn right.,its a chevy tahoe 2008