More to the point a Zionist is someone who simply believes in Israel’s right to exist (as a Jewish nation). Doesn’t every citizen of any country believe their home country has a right to exist? What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with being a Zionist. Being an Islamist on the other hand is truly awful.
@@cinemarYup and they keep losing. They are a group of people who will continually cut off their noses to spite their faces. They are so filled with jealousy and rage and know no other way to exist. It’s really sad. Of what use are they to humanity? Nobody wants them. Nobody.
What war are you referring to? Zionism predates the state of Israel. The first Zionist Congress was in the 19th century. I don't think you understand what a Zionist is.
I have been following Sam Harris for a decade and never once have I heard him identify as Jewish. The aftermath of October 7 has done that for a lot of Jews.
I could be mistaken, but I think I've heard him say he was 'culturally Jewish' many years ago. He's an atheist of course, but he does appreciate the holidays, cultural aspects, etc... Much like many of us atheists still celebrate Christmas and appreciate the beauty of churches, etc...
@@Dan-id9qs Yes, that is what "culturally jewish"means..that you are ethnically jewish, not religieusly jewish but do partake in the traditional non religieus activities surrounding the big holidays
@@dsamh I don’t want to argue with a Sam Harris fan boy. But ya, if he’s voting for Harris or encouraging his listeners to do so, he is a disgrace. And if you vote for Harris, you are a disgrace as well.
@@mikimel "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
with all respect, Israel has been brutally and illegally occupying Palestine for 70 plus years, and in this time has massacred countless thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. To deny that Israel is perpetrating anything other than genocide in Gaza is just bizarre to me. Thousands killed and maimed babies. Is it because the babies are brown you perhaps don’t care too much?
@@jmc5335 one reality no one has to be educated in, woefully or otherwise, is that this "rejoinder" is barren of content. what a shock! that's actually a boon for you, since you can come thundering back in now with the facts TM and put us all - me especially - in our place. that you have stumbled across this thread is about to change all our lives! what luck.
Thank you for having Sam on. It was a "perfect" conversation! Points made, loud and clear, no signal distortion. The main "takeaway" for me is that the "debate" around Israel is not a real debate, it's a strawman meant to subvert and ultimately destroy its existence. And as a note to Israel's enemies, they understand this and like the Gorn, are growing very weary of it.
@@adamgates1142 Sam Harris is anything but clear on this topic. Even his opening statement is nonsensical. Like a little kid launching into whataboutism right off the bat because he knows his position is indefensible. Sam Harris has been an Islamophobe for decades. I had thought him becoming more spiritually inclined with his Waking Up app was moving him toward the ability to be less judgmental but the hatred was down there and October 7 just blew it right to the surface.
@@adamgates1142 Incredibly perceptive by you, Watson. It's as if Sam has somehow reached out and hypmotized all of us with a pair of crazy glasses or something.
@@jaykay6387 "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
I literally have to search for your channel inorder to watch your episodes, even though I'm subscribed. Its seems like your channel is shadowbanned by UA-cam and its also apparent by the number of views. Thank you for posting great content, Sam is a rare voice of reason in an otherwise insane world.
Everybody stopped watching Sam when they realized he got all of his information from NYT and CNN and insisted on talking about politics which he is clearly not qualified.
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
As a European what personally shocks me the most is how little we have learned from WW2. They said WW2 ``never again`` but that was a lie it seems. Mass immigration has brought us a Nazi-Germany like behaviour we havent seen since the 30-40s in Germany. And i keep making that comparison because that is what these people resemble the most. Screaming for Intifada`s without knowing what that means. All wearing Arabic scarfs like a Nazi uniform, and all speaking with pure hatred in their voice. And usually behind the scenes the people who organize it, its almost always groups who work together with terrorists, or groups funded by terrorists. And to then see feminists for Palestine, and rainbow flags for Palestine makes me sick. I wish i could be angry with those people but thats pointless, they just dont know any better, they are clueless and just simply dont know anything. It is sad we have learned so little from one of the biggest (and painful) events in human history. And now with Oct 7 we are making the same mistakes we did in WW2 and that perhaps is the most shocking detail of it all.
Never again meant all people to us gentiles. Not just the chosen people. It's you who has failed literally the only history lesson we ever learnt in the west.
@@adamgates1142 You dont know what you are talking about. You are delusional. You believe in fake truths and cant even comprehend the most simple things. If anyone has failed, its you. In everything.
Thank you for the interview. Sam Harris has a way of clarifying things that should be obvious, but in today’s flood of information, it's hard to arrive at such clear thoughts. I’ve been thinking about his relatively harsh and uncompromising stance on combating this hateful ideology for a while now. And even though part of me resists this approach, it might actually be the only realistic one. He reminds me of Helmut Schmidt, who maintained a similarly unyielding stance, both against the RAF terrorists and in his position on the NATO Double-Track Decision. Many of his opponents later admitted he was right. Schmidt grounded his decisions in philosophy, particularly Karl Popper’s ideas, and wasn’t swayed by the mood of the times.
I researched Karl Popper's theories out of interest, and it's quite fitting: Paradox of Tolerance: Popper proposed the "paradox of tolerance": a tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance to protect itself. Unrestricted tolerance towards intolerant ideologies can ultimately undermine the freedom and openness of society. - It is worth paying even more attention to him, Schmidt has sought good advice.
Some info on John walker lindh. John Walker Lindh, an American who joined the Taliban, was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001 during the early stages of the U.S. invasion. He became known as the "American Taliban" and faced significant media attention. Here's a brief overview of what happened to him: 1. Capture: Lindh was captured in November 2001 during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a prison uprising in Afghanistan. He was found among Taliban prisoners and wounded. 2. Trial and Sentencing: Lindh was brought back to the U.S., where he was charged with several offenses, including providing material support to the Taliban. In 2002, he accepted a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to two charges: supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison. 3. Imprisonment: Lindh served most of his sentence in federal prison, and reports during his incarceration suggested that he maintained his extremist views. He was held under strict conditions. 4. Release: John Walker Lindh was released from prison in May 2019 after serving 17 years of his 20-year sentence. His release was under strict supervision and conditions, including restrictions on internet use and communication with extremists. Since his release, Lindh has maintained a low profile, and little is known publicly about his life afterward. His case remains a point of controversy in discussions about radicalization and terrorism in the U.S. Could he return to the Taliban?
I too am at the end of my patience.since oct 7; Every single person I know and meet, in my mind, are divide into two categories Antisemetic or not...I dont fall for the I"m not antisemetic, just antizionisst nonsense.
Sam you obviously don’t understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom in the Torah and Jewish texts. I have come back to Judaism since Oct 7 and without certain Rabbis available on UA-cam, I don’t know how I could have managed as a Jew since then. It is a beautiful thing - Judaism. ✡️ and Israel is our heart and soul 🕎 our homeland.
Excellent and brilliant conversation that clearly and concisely give clarity and sanity to these disturbing issues. I followed Sam Harris from the 90s, fellow non religious and pro Israel. I am relieved to hear his thoughts and share same views.
It’s not the first time you have Sam Harris on your podcast, you’re not crazy. It’s the second time I’ve watched, second episode where he’s a guest. Thank you for sharing ❤
I don't think you'd find Albert Einstein standing with you on your team given that remark. And, one of the great thinkers today, Yuval Harari accurately in my opinion stated that intelligence is far less important to our survival than our consciousness. Savagery and revenge killing and brute force is quite lacking in both intelligence and consciousness. And, if Netanyahu had been as smart as the Iranians are being, he would have found a much better way to help the country he purports to care about.
@MD-bu3xc Hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake, I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, "Make Israel one. ( it means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham) A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God. I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhamad knew this. Sometimes, it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people. Go look up the meaning of empirical. German was my first language.
Three points were made so well: 1) western values are at stake 2) whilst the liberal left may feel “good” about shouting for their cause, Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houthi’s/ Iran do not care and do not differentiate 3) Sam’s comment about imagine if Israel did what Hamas did….and how impossible that would be to even contemplate….thank you for another superb conversation. I like Sam could count on one hand the episodes I have missed of Call Me Back since Oct 7.
It's refreshing to see a commentariat that doesn't involve such statements as "Israel was promised to the Jews", "God bless Israel", "The Chosen people", "Praying for Israel" nonsense. There are sufficient enough reasons to support Israel without invoking imagined gods.
Not only hamas but majority of the Judea and Samaria population for one state. Find ask chanel going asking about 2 state solution. The majority say - just 1 state. "Jews need to go, it is our land. Do not care where they go. "
I'll be honest, I do find the existence of Pakistan, a Nuclear armed third world state with a history of religious fanatic groups to be quite concerning.
I’m sure, as we speak, militant Islamist groups are working hard to take the over Pakistan. However, much of Pakistans anger and violence has been focussed on India, not the West. India has had swathes of terror attacks and killings - look at the gateway of India attack.
Sam Harris should put all his efforts, and all his influence to undo the damage he personally has done to Israel, to Zionism, to the idea of a free nation having the right to be independent on its own piece of land, however small. Sam should express gratitude to the people of Israel for building and defending the one state on Earth, he and his family can go and be safe as a Jew. The women and men of Israel who defend this country so every Jew could have a home. Sam should feel deep shame for all those years of being blind and arrogant. He should now be more active and productive in defending Israel on every platform he can find.
He has very explicitly, and on multiple occasions. said he was wrong - that he completely misunderstood the level of antisemitism still existent and the need for a safe haven. He talks about the war A LOT.
@@joge2468that's right, he's acknowledged his mistake and trying to make up for it with brilliant insight on the war. He's been repeting for so many years his phrase 'Israel does not have a right to exist', though, and it's understandable many jews won't forgive him immediately.
I have to laugh when i see people make comments like "I used to like Sam, but he's totally fallen off.." - in reality he remains one of the absolute most logically and morally consistent people in the public sphere. You dont have to agree with him on everything, though, his reasoning is absolutely stable and crystal clear.
No just modern day Israelis but the Jewish people over millennia have grappled with wether to ransom or refrain in order to discourage more hostage taking
Regarding the protest outside the synagogue. It was well intention but base on inaccurate information? No, there was no real estate sale conducted inside the Adat Torah synagogue in Los Angeles. The protestors falsely believed that a real estate event was being held at the synagogue to market homes in Israeli settlements, which they claimed contributed to the "occupation" of Palestine. This misinformation sparked the protest. In reality, no such event was taking place at the synagogue, and the protest was based on an unfounded accusation.
Sam: Provides the most articulated and clearest insight on the Gaza war to dissipate moral confusion that anybody has given. Also Sam: Says that if you won't vote for a person who after October 7th was only concerned about islamophobia you're a fascist.
@@eduardoazuara2427 Probably because Sam is not looking for soundbites to condemn Kamala, He may criticize some of her political positions but he understand she's not someone who is only concerned about Islamophobia. He probably reads a little more than the one-liners Fox News feeds its audience. Such as this statement by Kamala "On October 7th, Hamas terrorists launched a terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent people in Israel, including 35 Americans. It was a brutal and horrific massacre. Babies and Holocaust survivors were killed. Young people who were simply attending a concert were shot dead. Two hundred and forty hostages were taken from their homes. And over, then, the past eight weeks, President Biden and I have been clear: Israel has a right to defend itself. And we will remain steadfast in that conviction. "
Einat Wilf also points out that if the "international community" didn't keep on indulging Palestinian delusions, the Palestinians and Israelis would have figured out how to live side by side decades ago. (Book: The War of Return).
I like both of these guys, but I am baffled that Sam seems blind to the fact, and Dan gave zero pushback to Sam's missing that, Jewishness is a genetic ethnicity, identifiable in genetic testing. That means that a Jewish state is NOT a religion-based state but, like a zillion other countries, a nation based on an indigenous peoplehood. With this understanding there is no fundamental difference between a French state, German state, Chinese state, Egyptian state and a Jewish state. How is this missed??
Do those countries preference immigration of those who are ethnically French, for example? The best comparison is with Native American reservations. Their immigration policies and nation-state laws are nearly identical to Israel’s.
Kindness can be misinterpreted as weakness.Maybe its time to loose political correctness and put ourselves on an even footing.Demand respect for our way of life
VERY GOOD .. but.?? BUT?., Present the viscous ''atrocities'' - the NUMBERS in compassion - in total - ., as EXISTS, as to what the "Kurds'' ( Kurdish peoples!) have endured! Can you? ., WELL?., THANK YOU!
Thank you gentlemen for a refreshingly uplifting conversation despite some of the necessarily gruesome topics. Such clear thinking and eloquence is sorely needed now on the trajectory of international Islamic jihadism and its consequences. And having slightly leant to the Left mostly, I'm disgusted with the apparent response of Western universities to 07 October. I hope this does not represent most of these communities. From Australia.
The simple explanation that equates ‘they must be being this hideous because of what is being done to them’ as an accelerating positive correlation is THE most important learning and reset the whole world needs
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This is truly a war that no one but the old guard wants. As the world becomes more secular and westernized, these bids for expanding territory should wane. Private investment will come in and build hotels, apartments, and businesses providing jobs and opportunities to young people who want to live a normal life.
By framing it in that way, it appears that you are making an argument that the West should abandon all criticisms of IDF when it comes to casualties of noncombatants. If that were the case, then there would be no reason to hold anybody else to the standards that have governed our own, that is western military practices as upheld by the Geneva convention.
400k people were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Including bombing a wedding convoy. The fact that you only "count dead" on Israel wars shows the double standards. BTW, all the critics of Israel also critizied it on the previous 3 wars in Gaza where much less were killed ( several hundreds mostly Hamas) Again, double standards and antisemitism. Not a real argument
“We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture. “ - Moshe Sharett, 1914, second prime minister of Israel and the country’s first foreign minister.
@@SD2001-p8q "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
fascinating! thank you Another parameter of the hostage dillemma is the unwritten contract between the citizens and the government .. we send our children to the military to protect and you lead us to peace and prosperity, and you can say that the military and state screw up of october 7th is so bad that you cannot expect anyone to enlist to the military unless the governmant does whatever it can to return them home.. plus the realization that our prime minister has been doing anything possible to avoid criminal court and remain in power. He is an incredibly sly and cynical human being.. these are difficult arguments to counter.. I still believe that it's wrong to adhere to Hamas' outrageous demands. But I feel terrible about it.. because I can't even begin to imagine the pain of the hostages' families. I can, however, feel the pain of the IDF soldiers' sacrifice..
400k people were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Including bombing a wedding convoy. The fact that you only "count dead" on Israel wars shows the double standards. BTW, all the critics of Israel also critizied it on the previous 3 wars in Gaza where much less were killed ( several hundreds mostly Hamas) Again, double standards and antisemitism. Not a real argument
@@dudiavraham2074 you are angry and impasdioned and biased and I understand but to the neutral onlooker what Israel has done and is doing is quite frankly disgraceful. This is a horror show to anyone who cares to look. i an not an anti semite nor pro hamas. I detest the attitude of Israel as portrayed by Netaynayu. What an odious human being. i am just a disgusted onlooker. Hamas are disgusting too but the face of Israel is represented to the world by the face and words or Netayahu and he puts the hairs standing on my neck just like Saddam Hussein or Milosovic or Hitler.
He would end up debating Dave Smith, and he would get smoked if he did that. Not because Dave is smarter, as Sam is much smarter than Dave, but the combination of Dave's rhetorical ability and the facts being firmly on his side means Sam doesn't have a chance.
Hard to keep listening when it opena with 1. Claim of systematic sexual violence. Which initially was claimed as wide spread and then by now no-one serious makes the claim. And yet there it is at the opening. Was there rape? Probably? Was it systematic: not according to those who have examined it, including Israeli authorities 2. ’Israels defensive war’. 3. Then the slaughtering of babies and beheadings… again see point 1 above. 4. The murdered were all innocent civilians … completely ignoring the military/security personnel and those killed under Hannibal directive. We don’t know numbers yet afaik. They must know, but they just avoid it. It’s just dishonest. It’s really hard to hear that Sam is arguing this angle. He has been someone I viewed as well versed and morally just. I can’t see that anymore and it pains me. That douglas Murray and Sam Harris would be as one… did not see coming. I agree jihadism isn’t something I want to see more of. I do however see Palestinians goal of statehood as legitimate and not in itself islamic or jihadi in nature. I don’t have some cute solution for the conflict. Just stop this vile violence. Hamas was wrong in their attack and Israels response is wrong. Stop it! I’m sad for all involved.
Sam harris once again talking nonsense on this issue. Clear bias and ahistorical recounting of events. Sam all of a sudden learning about Israel and palestine on 7th October
Can someone timestamp the discussion around the clear lack of reasonable defense of the border that appears to have been intentional negligence? Also the Hannibal directive being deployed in which the IDF knowingly killed many Israelis?
Solution? Oh come on guys Jordan Peterson has just pronounced the antidote to depression and anxiety. We are saved. I think I will go back to the breath. Or a crappy US war movie. Chocolate chip-minted ice cream sucks because my father always chose it. Luckily I am lactose intolerant. The point. Start digging your grave, stuff influence.
Question : I look at it like an abusive husband or kidnapper etc and the victim fights back. I dont blame them but they have to stop firing. They say they Will not stop will not negotiate. You appear to be saying Israel is the bad guy so they should remove all barricades, stop firing and go home? Let them keep 🔫 cause u understand why they mad..
Calling Israelis "Zionists" is like still calling Americans "Revolutionaries". It's a childish way to never admit the war is over and you lost.
Well said.
Palestinains do not know how to lose.
More to the point a Zionist is someone who simply believes in Israel’s right to exist (as a Jewish nation). Doesn’t every citizen of any country believe their home country has a right to exist? What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with being a Zionist. Being an Islamist on the other hand is truly awful.
@@cinemarYup and they keep losing. They are a group of people who will continually cut off their noses to spite their faces. They are so filled with jealousy and rage and know no other way to exist. It’s really sad. Of what use are they to humanity? Nobody wants them. Nobody.
What war are you referring to? Zionism predates the state of Israel. The first Zionist Congress was in the 19th century. I don't think you understand what a Zionist is.
Sam has such clarity on these issues it's amazing. A national treasure!
Why does everybody who watch same Harris say the exact same things in the comment section? Bots or something much worse
Moral clarity? If Trump was president, then October 7 would never have happened.
National treasure for Israel!
I have been following Sam Harris for a decade and never once have I heard him identify as Jewish. The aftermath of October 7 has done that for a lot of Jews.
I could be mistaken, but I think I've heard him say he was 'culturally Jewish' many years ago. He's an atheist of course, but he does appreciate the holidays, cultural aspects, etc...
Much like many of us atheists still celebrate Christmas and appreciate the beauty of churches, etc...
@@kdemetter huh?, no he is ethnically jewish. he is ashkenazi. if you don't know what you're talking about, why comment?
What I have been following him forever. He is jewish? Lol no idea.
@@Dan-id9qs Yes, that is what "culturally jewish"means..that you are ethnically jewish, not religieusly jewish but do partake in the traditional non religieus activities surrounding the big holidays
Same here, the most influential people in my life have been Jewish.
Moral clarity served. Thank you Sam Harris.
Made some good points… but, thinks Kamala should be president and not Trump. A disgrace.
Are you a human or a bot?
@@dsamh I don’t want to argue with a Sam Harris fan boy. But ya, if he’s voting for Harris or encouraging his listeners to do so, he is a disgrace. And if you vote for Harris, you are a disgrace as well.
@@sam-te1fu No I was actually wondering about this engagement under *this* videa. Sorry if I offended you.
@@mikimel "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Palestinians did nothing new just big scale on oct 7.
with all respect, Israel has been brutally and illegally occupying Palestine for 70 plus years, and in this time has massacred countless thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. To deny that Israel is perpetrating anything other than genocide in Gaza is just bizarre to me. Thousands killed and maimed babies. Is it because the babies are brown you perhaps don’t care too much?
@@jamescarr5796 Jews have lived there for thousands of years. Was before Islam was ever established.
They are feral humans and of zero use to humanity and clearly lack any…
Thank you so much for all that you do. Your podcast is so important. And very much needed.
Agreed
The first minute of this video should end about 85% of the entire "debate" concerning Hamas vs. Israel for all time.
Only if you're woefully uneducated on the realities
@@jmc5335And evidently you certainly are woefully uneducated.
@@jmc5335 thank you. I hope the people commenting are just clueless or bots. It’s pretty cringe
@@jmc5335 one reality no one has to be educated in, woefully or otherwise, is that this "rejoinder" is barren of content. what a shock! that's actually a boon for you, since you can come thundering back in now with the facts TM and put us all - me especially - in our place. that you have stumbled across this thread is about to change all our lives! what luck.
Who killed 60% of Israeli casualties on October 7.
A. Hamas
B. IDF
Wow! What a wonderful conversation with clear and well-argued statements. We Israelis need more defenders like you.
You believe the settlers should be dragged from Palestine by their beards?
You said clear. This signals that you are in the Sam Harris cult and definitely not a bot.
Thank you for having Sam on. It was a "perfect" conversation! Points made, loud and clear, no signal distortion. The main "takeaway" for me is that the "debate" around Israel is not a real debate, it's a strawman meant to subvert and ultimately destroy its existence. And as a note to Israel's enemies, they understand this and like the Gorn, are growing very weary of it.
Clear! Every Sam Harris viewer says clear or clarity in their sycophantic praise. It's almost like you people have no minds of your own.
@@adamgates1142 Sam Harris is anything but clear on this topic. Even his opening statement is nonsensical. Like a little kid launching into whataboutism right off the bat because he knows his position is indefensible. Sam Harris has been an Islamophobe for decades. I had thought him becoming more spiritually inclined with his Waking Up app was moving him toward the ability to be less judgmental but the hatred was down there and October 7 just blew it right to the surface.
@@adamgates1142 Incredibly perceptive by you, Watson. It's as if Sam has somehow reached out and hypmotized all of us with a pair of crazy glasses or something.
@@MD-bu3xc He's not an Islamophobe, he just thinks Islam sucks.
@@jaykay6387 "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Israel has never had a moral dilemma when it comes to Palestine and certainly doesn't have a moral dilemma with this massacre.
Dan Senor and Sam Harris are speaking my language.
Sam Harris you are the voice of sanity in this insane world! Special thanks to Dan Senor for this excellent interview!! 👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏
I literally have to search for your channel inorder to watch your episodes, even though I'm subscribed. Its seems like your channel is shadowbanned by UA-cam and its also apparent by the number of views. Thank you for posting great content, Sam is a rare voice of reason in an otherwise insane world.
Pops up for me
@@binarybyting Yup mine too!
Everybody stopped watching Sam when they realized he got all of his information from NYT and CNN and insisted on talking about politics which he is clearly not qualified.
@@adamgates1142just you
@@adamgates1142 He's doing fine without you. So is everyone who still listens to him.
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH
How did you do it? Do explain please 😯
My family have been into series of sufferings lately
All thanks to Christina Ann Tucker
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
I do know Christina A. Tucker, I also have even become successful....
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Christina Ann Tucker.
Thank you both so much!! The world need much more bright minds as yourselves!!! Thank you and bless you both!!!!! M
For Sam Harris to say that he's listened to about every episode of Call Me Back since 10/07 is one hell of a compliment. Cheers!
Really grateful Sam deconstructed Dan's fear of that NYC subway clip in such a rational way.
Sam Harris is an absolute legend. Rationality in a world of chaos
Thank you for the discussion.
Wonderful grownup conversation, thank you both.
Always excellent interviews and discussions. Thank you both, Dan and Sam.
This conversation is what happens when two rational people discuss difficult topics.
As a European what personally shocks me the most is how little we have learned from WW2. They said WW2 ``never again`` but that was a lie it seems.
Mass immigration has brought us a Nazi-Germany like behaviour we havent seen since the 30-40s in Germany.
And i keep making that comparison because that is what these people resemble the most. Screaming for Intifada`s without knowing what that means. All wearing Arabic scarfs like a Nazi uniform, and all speaking with pure hatred in their voice.
And usually behind the scenes the people who organize it, its almost always groups who work together with terrorists, or groups funded by terrorists.
And to then see feminists for Palestine, and rainbow flags for Palestine makes me sick.
I wish i could be angry with those people but thats pointless, they just dont know any better, they are clueless and just simply dont know anything. It is sad we have learned so little from one of the biggest (and painful) events in human history. And now with Oct 7 we are making the same mistakes we did in WW2 and that perhaps is the most shocking detail of it all.
Never again meant all people to us gentiles. Not just the chosen people. It's you who has failed literally the only history lesson we ever learnt in the west.
@@adamgates1142 You dont know what you are talking about. You are delusional. You believe in fake truths and cant even comprehend the most simple things. If anyone has failed, its you. In everything.
Seems to just common sense, people act like you excuse Israel if you blame Hamas. Hamas is to blame for most of the suffering of the Gazans.
Thank you for the interview. Sam Harris has a way of clarifying things that should be obvious, but in today’s flood of information, it's hard to arrive at such clear thoughts. I’ve been thinking about his relatively harsh and uncompromising stance on combating this hateful ideology for a while now. And even though part of me resists this approach, it might actually be the only realistic one. He reminds me of Helmut Schmidt, who maintained a similarly unyielding stance, both against the RAF terrorists and in his position on the NATO Double-Track Decision. Many of his opponents later admitted he was right. Schmidt grounded his decisions in philosophy, particularly Karl Popper’s ideas, and wasn’t swayed by the mood of the times.
Who are the RAF terrorists you are referring to?
I researched Karl Popper's theories out of interest, and it's quite fitting:
Paradox of Tolerance: Popper proposed the "paradox of tolerance": a tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance to protect itself. Unrestricted tolerance towards intolerant ideologies can ultimately undermine the freedom and openness of society. - It is worth paying even more attention to him, Schmidt has sought good advice.
Some info on John walker lindh. John Walker Lindh, an American who joined the Taliban, was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001 during the early stages of the U.S. invasion. He became known as the "American Taliban" and faced significant media attention.
Here's a brief overview of what happened to him:
1. Capture: Lindh was captured in November 2001 during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a prison uprising in Afghanistan. He was found among Taliban prisoners and wounded.
2. Trial and Sentencing: Lindh was brought back to the U.S., where he was charged with several offenses, including providing material support to the Taliban. In 2002, he accepted a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to two charges: supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
3. Imprisonment: Lindh served most of his sentence in federal prison, and reports during his incarceration suggested that he maintained his extremist views. He was held under strict conditions.
4. Release: John Walker Lindh was released from prison in May 2019 after serving 17 years of his 20-year sentence. His release was under strict supervision and conditions, including restrictions on internet use and communication with extremists.
Since his release, Lindh has maintained a low profile, and little is known publicly about his life afterward. His case remains a point of controversy in discussions about radicalization and terrorism in the U.S.
Could he return to the Taliban?
Thank god for Sam harris
Baruch Hashem! 🇮🇱
I too am at the end of my patience.since oct 7; Every single person I know and meet, in my mind, are divide into two categories Antisemetic or not...I dont fall for the I"m not antisemetic, just antizionisst nonsense.
I saw Sam Harris in the title but thought Ben Stiller. Coffee hasn’t kicked in.
Being unoriginal and boring should be a crime.
Sam you obviously don’t understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom in the Torah and Jewish texts. I have come back to Judaism since Oct 7 and without certain Rabbis available on UA-cam, I don’t know how I could have managed as a Jew since then. It is a beautiful thing - Judaism. ✡️ and Israel is our heart and soul 🕎 our homeland.
its ok, we accept him as he is.
@@Abu_Shimshi He is only Jewish by birth and inherited family culture. Otherwise he is an atheist.
I waited for this discussion for too long. Better late than never. Thank you, Sam and Dan.
Excellent and brilliant conversation that clearly and concisely give clarity and sanity to these disturbing issues. I followed Sam Harris from the 90s, fellow non religious and pro Israel. I am relieved to hear his thoughts and share same views.
When it comes to Israel Sam’s views are abhorrent
@@paws315 Why do you say that?
@@paws315The would be to a neo nazi
@Sabrina96 Because genocide is evil. Duhhhhhhh. Have you learned anything from history other than Hitler's bad? If not your education was a success.
It’s not the first time you have Sam Harris on your podcast, you’re not crazy. It’s the second time I’ve watched, second episode where he’s a guest. Thank you for sharing ❤
I have not found an Albert Einstein in Islam
You should read what Albert thought about Zionism. He was correct.
I don't think you'd find Albert Einstein standing with you on your team given that remark. And, one of the great thinkers today, Yuval Harari accurately in my opinion stated that intelligence is far less important to our survival than our consciousness. Savagery and revenge killing and brute force is quite lacking in both intelligence and consciousness. And, if Netanyahu had been as smart as the Iranians are being, he would have found a much better way to help the country he purports to care about.
@MD-bu3xc Hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake, I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, "Make Israel one. ( it means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham)
A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God.
I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhamad knew this. Sometimes, it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people.
Go look up the meaning of empirical. German was my first language.
@MD-bu3xc Really, Sam Harris disgusts you? Why. Here, let me disgust you. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob.
@@adamgates1142 wrong.
Normally on the mark- Harris is blind on this issue
Love the new video format. Audio podcast is great, but this adds a new layer.
Three points were made so well: 1) western values are at stake 2) whilst the liberal left may feel “good” about shouting for their cause, Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houthi’s/ Iran do not care and do not differentiate 3) Sam’s comment about imagine if Israel did what Hamas did….and how impossible that would be to even contemplate….thank you for another superb conversation. I like Sam could count on one hand the episodes I have missed of Call Me Back since Oct 7.
Israel being responsible for Sabra and Shatila means I don't need to comprehend as I already know
Israel killed the majority of Israelis on October 7 according to Haaretz. So they kinda did and it was to their own people!
That's not to mention what Israeli's have done to Palestinians for many decades
Very few can articulate complex issues like Sam.
Great conversation! Thanks to both.
It's refreshing to see a commentariat that doesn't involve such statements as "Israel was promised to the Jews", "God bless Israel", "The Chosen people", "Praying for Israel" nonsense. There are sufficient enough reasons to support Israel without invoking imagined gods.
Thank you, very intelligent conversation. Am Israel Chai 🇮🇱!
Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱
Not only hamas but majority of the Judea and Samaria population for one state. Find ask chanel going asking about 2 state solution. The majority say - just 1 state. "Jews need to go, it is our land. Do not care where they go. "
I'll be honest, I do find the existence of Pakistan, a Nuclear armed third world state with a history of religious fanatic groups to be quite concerning.
I’m sure, as we speak, militant Islamist groups are working hard to take the over Pakistan. However, much of Pakistans anger and violence has been focussed on India, not the West. India has had swathes of terror attacks and killings - look at the gateway of India attack.
Are you concerned that the only country to ever drop a nuke is now provoking nuclear war?
Thank you!
The Best Philosopher, Sam Harris!!
Sam Harris should put all his efforts, and all his influence to undo the damage he personally has done to Israel, to Zionism, to the idea of a free nation having the right to be independent on its own piece of land, however small. Sam should express gratitude to the people of Israel for building and defending the one state on Earth, he and his family can go and be safe as a Jew. The women and men of Israel who defend this country so every Jew could have a home. Sam should feel deep shame for all those years of being blind and arrogant. He should now be more active and productive in defending Israel on every platform he can find.
Huh. Armchair moralizing.
He has very explicitly, and on multiple occasions. said he was wrong - that he completely misunderstood the level of antisemitism still existent and the need for a safe haven. He talks about the war A LOT.
Scrambling on the lower slopes of consciousness Leona here is in dire need of emergency colonic irrigation - the Iron Age technique, inshallah
Israel is safe for Jews?
@@joge2468that's right, he's acknowledged his mistake and trying to make up for it with brilliant insight on the war. He's been repeting for so many years his phrase 'Israel does not have a right to exist', though, and it's understandable many jews won't forgive him immediately.
Pray for Israel
I have to laugh when i see people make comments like "I used to like Sam, but he's totally fallen off.." - in reality he remains one of the absolute most logically and morally consistent people in the public sphere. You dont have to agree with him on everything, though, his reasoning is absolutely stable and crystal clear.
True
He has been consistently bad since his first book.
What an interview. Amazing.
No just modern day Israelis but the Jewish people over millennia have grappled with wether to ransom or refrain in order to discourage more hostage taking
Omg the poor innocent you know who. Everybody's just jelly.
Please google "Hannibal Directive" when it comes to Israeli hostage policy.
Regarding the protest outside the synagogue. It was well intention but base on inaccurate information?
No, there was no real estate sale conducted inside the Adat Torah synagogue in Los Angeles. The protestors falsely believed that a real estate event was being held at the synagogue to market homes in Israeli settlements, which they claimed contributed to the "occupation" of Palestine. This misinformation sparked the protest. In reality, no such event was taking place at the synagogue, and the protest was based on an unfounded accusation.
Interestingly, he doesn’t equate the BLM riots as an act of terrorism.
Sam: Provides the most articulated and clearest insight on the Gaza war to dissipate moral confusion that anybody has given.
Also Sam: Says that if you won't vote for a person who after October 7th was only concerned about islamophobia you're a fascist.
Who was only concerned about islamophobia?
@@user-gc2jx4gj2q Kamala, on October 8th. Sam was critical of her for that reason. But he still insists that not voting for her is fascism.
@@eduardoazuara2427 Probably because Sam is not looking for soundbites to condemn Kamala, He may criticize some of her political positions but he understand she's not someone who is only concerned about Islamophobia. He probably reads a little more than the one-liners Fox News feeds its audience. Such as this statement by Kamala "On October 7th, Hamas terrorists launched a terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent people in Israel, including 35 Americans. It was a brutal and horrific massacre. Babies and Holocaust survivors were killed. Young people who were simply attending a concert were shot dead. Two hundred and forty hostages were taken from their homes. And over, then, the past eight weeks, President Biden and I have been clear: Israel has a right to defend itself. And we will remain steadfast in that conviction. "
Brilliant discussion.
Great podcast, thank you for your insightful conversations I hope you will keep doing it for years to come!!
Excellent insightful interview. I learned so much.
Einat Wilf also points out that if the "international community" didn't keep on indulging Palestinian delusions, the Palestinians and Israelis would have figured out how to live side by side decades ago. (Book: The War of Return).
How does she envision the Israelis and Palestinians living side by side?
The saying that most people just want to raise their families and peacefully work is overstated if not just wrong
I like both of these guys, but I am baffled that Sam seems blind to the fact, and Dan gave zero pushback to Sam's missing that, Jewishness is a genetic ethnicity, identifiable in genetic testing. That means that a Jewish state is NOT a religion-based state but, like a zillion other countries, a nation based on an indigenous peoplehood. With this understanding there is no fundamental difference between a French state, German state, Chinese state, Egyptian state and a Jewish state. How is this missed??
Do those countries preference immigration of those who are ethnically French, for example? The best comparison is with Native American reservations. Their immigration policies and nation-state laws are nearly identical to Israel’s.
@@buddhaway please cite sources
Wow, that was some feat of linguistic contortions. Not buying.
@@paws315 For what?
I agree, but it's not only the enemies of Israel who use this label. Many supporters of Israel use it.
Oh look, normal, rational, reasonable people still exist!
A worthwhile conversation that I forward to people who aren't versed in the subject matter of jihadism and the plight of Israel today.
"Palestinians" are Amalek.
@@somewhereoutthere1968 you are Amalek 😂
My understanding is that Netanyahu meant Hamas when he said Amalek.
@@SladeL they are one and the same thing.
@@somewhereoutthere1968Palestinians are and always be better than you
@SladeL That's because you're a moral coward
Kindness can be misinterpreted as weakness.Maybe its time to loose political correctness and put ourselves on an even footing.Demand respect for our way of life
Thanks Sam!
VERY GOOD .. but.?? BUT?., Present the viscous ''atrocities'' - the NUMBERS in compassion - in total - ., as EXISTS, as to what the "Kurds'' ( Kurdish peoples!) have endured! Can you? ., WELL?., THANK YOU!
Thanks gents 👍
Thank you gentlemen for a refreshingly uplifting conversation despite some of the necessarily gruesome topics. Such clear thinking and eloquence is sorely needed now on the trajectory of international Islamic jihadism and its consequences. And having slightly leant to the Left mostly, I'm disgusted with the apparent response of Western universities to 07 October. I hope this does not represent most of these communities. From Australia.
The simple explanation that equates ‘they must be being this hideous because of what is being done to them’ as an accelerating positive correlation is THE most important learning and reset the whole world needs
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What an incredible thinker
This is truly a war that no one but the old guard wants. As the world becomes more secular and westernized, these bids for expanding territory should wane. Private investment will come in and build hotels, apartments, and businesses providing jobs and opportunities to young people who want to live a normal life.
What a pair!! Excellent
By framing it in that way, it appears that you are making an argument that the West should abandon all criticisms of IDF when it comes to casualties of noncombatants. If that were the case, then there would be no reason to hold anybody else to the standards that have governed our own, that is western military practices as upheld by the Geneva convention.
What is the standard you are holding the IDF to ? Are you comparing them to other militaries in recent wars, or are you comparing them to perfection ?
400k people were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Including bombing a wedding convoy.
The fact that you only "count dead" on Israel wars shows the double standards.
BTW, all the critics of Israel also critizied it on the previous 3 wars in Gaza where much less were killed ( several hundreds mostly Hamas)
Again, double standards and antisemitism. Not a real argument
The love of my life.. hotter with time and cute at the same time it’s incredible everything about him oh my God ❤
“We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture. “ - Moshe Sharett, 1914, second prime minister of Israel and the country’s first foreign minister.
He predicted Hamas
@@SD2001-p8q "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Only 20% of the land was populated. ( read Mark twain). Not one single Arab village was taken by force prior to 1948 when arabs attacked
fascinating! thank you
Another parameter of the hostage dillemma is the unwritten contract between the citizens and the government .. we send our children to the military to protect and you lead us to peace and prosperity, and you can say that the military and state screw up of october 7th is so bad that you cannot expect anyone to enlist to the military unless the governmant does whatever it can to return them home.. plus the realization that our prime minister has been doing anything possible to avoid criminal court and remain in power. He is an incredibly sly and cynical human being..
these are difficult arguments to counter..
I still believe that it's wrong to adhere to Hamas' outrageous demands. But I feel terrible about it.. because I can't even begin to imagine the pain of the hostages' families.
I can, however, feel the pain of the IDF soldiers' sacrifice..
The big boys!! Epic!
"Right?"
Sam lost his ability to be objectively characterize this genocidal conflict. It's quite sad but undestandable given he is of jewsih heritage.
You mean the genocide Hamas is conducting
400k people were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Including bombing a wedding convoy.
The fact that you only "count dead" on Israel wars shows the double standards.
BTW, all the critics of Israel also critizied it on the previous 3 wars in Gaza where much less were killed ( several hundreds mostly Hamas)
Again, double standards and antisemitism. Not a real argument
@@dudiavraham2074 I agree achi 🇮🇱
@@dudiavraham2074 you are angry and impasdioned and biased and I understand but to the neutral onlooker what Israel has done and is doing is quite frankly disgraceful. This is a horror show to anyone who cares to look. i an not an anti semite nor pro hamas. I detest the attitude of Israel as portrayed by Netaynayu. What an odious human being. i am just a disgusted onlooker. Hamas are disgusting too but the face of Israel is represented to the world by the face and words or Netayahu and he puts the hairs standing on my neck just like Saddam Hussein or Milosovic or Hitler.
“Demolish Candice in real time” so debate her
He would end up debating Dave Smith, and he would get smoked if he did that. Not because Dave is smarter, as Sam is much smarter than Dave, but the combination of Dave's rhetorical ability and the facts being firmly on his side means Sam doesn't have a chance.
IT HASN'T BEEN 1 YEAR YET!!!!!
Thank goodness for Sam Harris! Stay safe Sam - your voice is needed.
Sam’s attacks on idw r wrong
Hard to keep listening when it opena with
1. Claim of systematic sexual violence. Which initially was claimed as wide spread and then by now no-one serious makes the claim. And yet there it is at the opening. Was there rape? Probably? Was it systematic: not according to those who have examined it, including Israeli authorities
2. ’Israels defensive war’.
3. Then the slaughtering of babies and beheadings… again see point 1 above.
4. The murdered were all innocent civilians … completely ignoring the military/security personnel and those killed under Hannibal directive. We don’t know numbers yet afaik.
They must know, but they just avoid it. It’s just dishonest.
It’s really hard to hear that Sam is arguing this angle. He has been someone I viewed as well versed and morally just.
I can’t see that anymore and it pains me.
That douglas Murray and Sam Harris would be as one… did not see coming.
I agree jihadism isn’t something I want to see more of. I do however see Palestinians goal of statehood as legitimate and not in itself islamic or jihadi in nature.
I don’t have some cute solution for the conflict.
Just stop this vile violence.
Hamas was wrong in their attack and Israels response is wrong. Stop it!
I’m sad for all involved.
Great post.
This was great 👏
Interesting conversation, but I got frustrated with Dan's one-shot camera. It was back-focused. He looked blurry throughout the whole conversation.
Sam harris once again talking nonsense on this issue. Clear bias and ahistorical recounting of events. Sam all of a sudden learning about Israel and palestine on 7th October
Can someone timestamp the discussion around the clear lack of reasonable defense of the border that appears to have been intentional negligence? Also the Hannibal directive being deployed in which the IDF knowingly killed many Israelis?
We keep saying and hearing the same things again and again as if in an endless nightmare that nobody seems able to crack open.
We're about to lose a great thinker ( Noam Chomsky),and we're left with this numpty not even god can help humanity.
The shalit deal was of course after he was kept for years
you said something about a rounding error but is it true that the question of Jerusalem will just be a rounding error?
Solution? Oh come on guys Jordan Peterson has just pronounced the antidote to depression and anxiety. We are saved. I think I will go back to the breath. Or a crappy US war movie.
Chocolate chip-minted ice cream sucks because my father always chose it. Luckily I am lactose intolerant. The point. Start digging your grave, stuff influence.
It's incredible how these people can just lie without batting an eyelid. Do they think the lies are true or do they actually believe their lies?
Question : I look at it like an abusive husband or kidnapper etc and the victim fights back.
I dont blame them but they have to stop firing. They say they Will not stop will not negotiate.
You appear to be saying Israel is the bad guy so they should remove all barricades, stop firing and go home?
Let them keep 🔫 cause u understand why they mad..
Where is Einat Wilf !? Need her strong clear far seeing vision
I heard about Call Me Back on Making Sense.
It's the middle of September
What’s your point?
@@SD2001-p8q contradicts the title
@@dyardsale5475 49 weeks vs 52 weeks. I think that’s close enough
@@SD2001-p8q Not if you have to wait those 3 weeks at a greyhound station.
@@dyardsale5475 I don’t understand your obsession. You must be neurodivergent or something. Thank you for engaging with me, but please stop.
Fascinating!
52:24 Was it Goldberg or Hausdorff who first made this analogy?