Quenya, Language of the High Elves - Tolkien's Languages
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Quenya is the first language that is developed by the Elves of Tolkien's works. Aiya (hail) friends! I hope you all enjoyed this video! Please let me know your thoughts about this incredible language down below. Thank you all for watching, and I will see you all soon with another video! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Also worth mentioning that all the Kings of Numenor before they were deceived by Sauron, choose their royal names in Quenya as a homage to their elven ancestry.
Technically this breach in tradition happened a bit earlier in time before Sauron's deception, with Ar-Adunakhor. Though the scrolls were still written in Quenya out of fear for the Valar.
In old english they called Finns as Kvens and they spoked kvenya, it makes sense chose quenya is based on finnish language and rules.
@@anttityykila9384 Tolkien decided to to base-off Quenya on Finnish because of his love for this language. Evidently, Quenya received its name because Kvenya was the Old English name of the language spoken by the Finnish (Kvens).
@@atanvardo5730 My language inspired Quenya?
@@atanvardo5730 Neat.
Beautifully done (as usual :) ) thank you again
Ok I'm a simple man. When I see a Men of the West video I click on it.
Am I the only one who feel it is insane that the Teleri Elves were perfectly fine with Thingol banning Quenya in his Land , essentially doing an Ethnic genocide and punishing those that had nothing to do with the Kinslaying , but were perfectly content with using Tengwar to write Sindarin when it was made by FËANOR HIMSELF ? .
Hello! I'm currently learning Sindarin and was wondering if you had any knowledge that would be helpful for that. I love watching UA-cam videos to learn things but there aren't, unfortunately, a lot of new ones being put out. Thank you!
I was invited here.
I can speak a little Queenya and Sindarin, (I am sorry if I spelled it wrong) although I have a little problem with the pronunciation.
Can you do a video about that map?
Can you do a video on eru illuvatar?
booooooo Khuzdul 4daWin
Hearing Tolkien speaking quenya is the most nerdgasmic thing ever.
@Ukko Mihaila Talvela yeah
@Ukko Mihaila Talvela it is :)
Ukko pihalla talvella.
Fun fact: his father’s ancestors originate from Saxony (today: Lower Saxony). It is believed that Tolkien’s name derives from the German word „tollkühn“ (pronounced the same way). „tollkühn“ literally means being adventurous, coping with a highly dangerous task and to have the willingness to take risks in order to help someone in need. Really interesting if we take into consideration that characters from two of his greatest works have exactly such characteristics.
If I ever ended up somewhere in the medieval Century I would want JRR Tolkien, to be my translator I have a feeling he'll be able to pick up the language faster than anyone else.
More to the point; he already spoke it (At least in England and Skandinavia.)
How to learn languages from scratch.
Pretend to not know any language.
Everyone around you will get so irritated that they will try to teach you.
As you progress pretend that you progress slower.
Laugh Maniacally inside your head.
Language Learned. Done.
He tryed to master the mother language of quenya but failed. Listen song called Suurin by Kati Run and hear her fail too. Quenya was named after Finnish and that song is ancient Finnish and in old english they called it kvenya 😊.
Could you please do a video on black speech
oh yes! :D
my favorite
That would be cool!
yeah
Language of the Puppet Master and his slaves? There's only one comfortable position in that culture - and that's already taken. And even he was not comfortable in his life before he died. But the rest were slaves.
That language shouldn't be spoken aloud much, if you don't want to be enslaved by it :) Didn't you listen Gandalf?
Though Sauron is gone already, so it's not that bad anymore.
But going after that stuff is like a moth going for the flame. That's the Orkish reward for the fan boys - they split your skull. Not much time to speak the Black Speech with them :)
Some quenya words are the same in finnish.
Path or course is 'tie'.
Iron is 'rauta'.
Other words are very close. For example to give is 'anta' in quenya and 'antaa' in finnish, or piercing is 'terewa' in quenya and 'terävä' in finnish.
Funny! In English class we have about fantasy, and I was nerding out the entire time because we talked about the elvish language, and how it evolved! It was so fun!
Elvish languages.
Notice how funny it would be to say we people on the Earth speak the human language
- there's not just one human, nor Elvish (I: Elven) language.
@@timomastosalo Humans are the only species intelligent enough to communicate in reality, though. In Tolkien's realm, Elves are a different species from Humans, Orcs, etc and can craft languages separately from the other species. So it honestly makes sense to call them "Elvish" languages.
Quenya is beautiful.
It was amazing to hear Tolkien himself speaking Quenya.
I was so glad to hear something about Tolkien and finnish language relations and 30 seconds after that when world map transfers into middle earth map Finland transforms into Mordor XD
That is just freaking epic map did you do it yourself or found it somewhere ?
So cool that my language was used in creating this very cool language (im finnish😅)
This language is so cool and complex, love you vids big Tolkien fan too!
It’s just mind blowing that Tolkien not only created several languages, he created a language that is basically a “dead”, historically relevant language. Like... 🤯
Quenya was only a "dead" language in Middle-Earth (not actually dead, though...). But in the Blessed Realm (Aman) it was still spoken as an everyday Elvish language - by the Vanyar and perhaps also by the Falmari, which were a branch of the Teleri (for the Vanyar and the Noldor, the Falmari spoke a dialect of Quenya, just like the Vanyarin and the Noldorin dialects; but the Falmari considered their own language as a different language: Telerin).
Excellent video Yoystan!!!!! Quenya is honestly one of my most favorite Languages in the Legendarium, and I have always had such a facanation with it. Im still practiceing how to speak it though (I'm doing a lot of research on it its pretty hard tbh LOL) but anyway love this video, and can't wait for the Haradrim one on Sunday!!! :)
I made flashcards that have Sindar and Quenya on them. It really useful! Maybe you could make some flashcards.
RedPandaBoi C Thanks for the advice man!!!! I surely will!!!!! :)
i heard that tolkiens language was inspired from old finnish language... sooo finnish= elfs ;D i mean we have good forests for elfs
Tolkien created a number of different Elvish languages, but the only ones for which he conceived grammatical rules and an extensive vocabulary were Quenya and Sindarin, specially the first. Quenya was inspired mostly on Finnish (Suomi), but also, in a lesser degree, in Greek, Latin and also Italian. Sindarin was inspired mostly on Welsh, but (as for Quenya), it was inspired in a lesser degree on a few other languages, such as Old Norse (the only one I remember). The stress rules for both Quenya and Sindarin are the same as in Latin.
Thank you for this video. In LotRO, I've been trying to figure out if there'd be any plausibility at all in giving a high-elf minstrel from Ossiriand a Quenyan name. I'm still not sure how that could come to pass. I really haven't wrapped my head around elvish history enough to take an educated stand.
My favorite UA-camr is back god you deserve a million subscribers but when that does happen I'll be like '' yep I was there when he just had 58 subs''
Okie nevermind, I wasn't first. But can you consider my theory?
I want to learn this language. Is it possible to learn? I don't mean like certain phrases, but being fluent in it like how somone can be fluent in English or Spanish.
Sebastian Velez It is possible to learn! Best of luck friend!
Men of the West Ok thanks!
There is a PDF you can download from this link: www.tolkien.ro/docs/Quenya-Elvish-Language-Course-Tolkien.pdf
Cheers.
Very possible to learn Quenya, however Tolkien changed the language a bit nearly every time he sat down and worked on it.
So becoming 'fluent' is not really possible, but you can come close!
Check out this site for some great info!
www.tolkien.ro/docs/Quenya-Elvish-Language-Course-Tolkien.pdf
and this one.
www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/phrases.html
Peditham hi sui vellyn?
how on earth does one become "fluent" in a fictional language? with whom do you think your going to speak the language? surely, it IS possible to know the grammar, the vocabulary and sounds, but why do you think you'll need to speak it?
Dude Quenya was one of my first loves in language. I read The Lord of the Rings trilogy in 8th grade for a project but I was engrossed in it before that thanks to the language.
Some really cool pictures I'd never seen before in this video
Awesome!! I love your videos! Only thing is just the pronunciation of certain words :) like Sindarin. Emphasis on works with more then 3 syllables is on the first syllable. So it’s pronounced “SEEN - da - reen” :)
You meant the third-to-last syllable. Yes, this is the stressed syllable in words with three or more syllables. But the stress in these words falls upon the second-to-last syllable if the vowel in this syllable is followed by:
(a) a consonant cluster;
(b) a long/double consonant;
(c) a palatalized consonant (represented by the combinations "ny", "ly", "hy", etc.) or a labialized consonant (represented by the combinations "nw", "lw", "hw", etc.).
It is always better to say "third-to-last syllable" and "second-to-last syllable", because words can have more than three syllables in Quenya (if a word has, for example, four syllables and you say to someone that the stress falls on the second syllable, that person will put the stress in the wrong syllable).
Quenya sounds like Finnish if it had the “Th” consonant
Language is named by Finns.. in old english they called Finns as Kvens and they speaked Kvenya 🤫
antti tyykilä spoke
@@Win090949 ?
@@anttityykila9384 "...they *speaked* Kvenya 🤫"
Win090949 corrected your mistake.
There's a lot Latin too. There are some sound combinations besides that th, which don't exist in Finnish.
The funny thing about that th - it existed in Finnish earlier. Even in the 90's there were old people in Kalanti area, quite close to Rauma, who used the th sounds (both). Like vedhet (dh is the soft th, as in THe) 'waters'. pro vedet (standard Finnish) & metthä (th as in THing, just it's double, relevant in Finnish), meaning 'forest'.
Thank you so much Yoystan! Your videos are always well made. I absolutely love Quenya, it's the most beautiful language I have ever heard.
Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin, Nandorin, Doriathrin,... All forms of Elvish plus Golic Vulcan are the prettiest fictional languages I know of.
Can you do a video on how to speak queyna/sindrain. Nice video anyway. It makes me see how by writing a amazing fantisy book, Tolkien made us think more about the real world.
1st!! Again! And also can ya do would if sauron overthrew Morgoth?
Hmmm...I like that idea
Lol thx sauron
+Homie Wizard Why are you laughing?
Cuz its ironic that sauron would like a theory about himself
+Homie Wizard Meh...
Theres a lot of guesses about Quenya in this video where actual information exists. Usually the research in these videos are really good, but this just seems a bit lazy. I'd actually love to collaborate with you on a remake, and maybe reinstate the whole series, as a lot of people watch these videos.
I've always liked Quenya (& there are some good books available, if people want to learn it) more than Sindarin.
Neat to heat the language's creator speaking it.
I always thought the true high elves were the Vanyar.. now what would they have spoken? Quenya, Valarin or Sindarin?
Rick Landau The Vanyarin dialect of Quenya. “Quendya” if I’m not mistaken.
The Vanyar spoke Quenya
would it be easier to learn Quenya if you speak Finnish as a native language like me.
because Tolkien took a lot of inspiration from the Finnish language.
I'm pretty late but it doesn't matter
Actually, learning either Quenya or Sindarin is far easier than learning any natural, foreign language. Even if you don't speak the natural langauge used as the main inspiration for the Elvish language in question.
Yes! Another one, AND ON QUENYA!
Great vid! Could you do a video about how the geography of area changed as I see the map you showed in 4:31 is different to the middle earth in the 4th age. Maybe cover how that happened for instance the ice bay of forochel was made during the war for the sake elf the elves.
I like quenya more.
Quenya is more melodic. Sindarin is more fluid. Each language sounds beautiul on its own manner. But yes, I prefer Quenya, because it is richer than Sindarin, and more complex.
Sweet upload mate. Keep em coming
A Men of the West video on Thursday, suprising. (But great)
Maybe do a video we’re you explain how the common tongue came to be?
Do you mean Westron?
Wow first time I’ve heard Tolkien’s voice, and in QUENYA
Awesome!
I had never seen that map of Middle Earth superimposed on early Our Earth before.
It's sad how many people nowadays can't speak cursive.
I curse all the time, what choo talkin about Willis?? lolz
Rin Mathews *read and write
Great video, can’t wait for your theory video!!
What does this mean in Quenya, can anyone translate it for me?:
Ar equë Necko: “Ánin puhta yallë imbacindë, á hapta ilya or amborany` ar ilya minna mixa pucconya! Sá quantiel assanyar lepsili puncilyarinen!!! Á hapta cumbelya minnen putsë.”
Takes a brilliant man to make entire languages that evolved from other languages he created.
And add there some irregular words, so the languages appear more natural.
@@timomastosalo
Irregular words?
@@kiddfaith4397 A grammar expression. They are the tough words when learning a foreign language.
Like go - went (?!) (irregular)
- compare with
want - wanted (regular)
@@timomastosalo
Ah, thank you.
I self-studied Quenya for a bit back when I was in college many years ago.
I would like to learn Sindarin!
You're still killing it my man. Still one of my favorite channels to kick back and watch
The Elves awakening at Cuivienen developed Quenya on their own, speaking it for hundreds of mortal years before they had any contact with Valar.
hi yoysten do you know the hobbit poem the mewlips. it was meant to scare children from adventuring. i think the poem was based off of what the ones who saw gollum thought he was and was passed down into the ages slowly turning into myth
Great video.
Elrond was raised in the house of Feanor and is famed for being a "lore master". Spent almost his entire life in a leadership position with the Noldor. He translated the writing on Orcist and Glamdring, swords of Gondolin. "Assume he knew quenya"?????
I´m bit late for commenting for this video... It´s well made and i like your content, but... i love Tolkien´s work and yet i cant stand few things in hes works. For Quenya he pretty much just stole Finnish language, added/removed few letters here and there and called it new language he "invented". example 1(ton of words). Quenya word for 'give' - Anta, Finnish word for 'give' - Antaa. Example 2. As little boy i once asked my grandpa to read Qyenya with old Finnish-Savonian style... After 15 years i still remember how he laughed, when he noticed that he could speak it just fine. Just google "quenya finnish" for more. AND don´t get me started our national epic "Kalevala" and Tolkien. And for those who a wondering of Tom Bombadil origin, google Finnish forest god Tapio
Er, not quite... Yes, anta is inspired by Finnish, so then what's its past tense? Finnish antoi, Quenya āne/antane. The relationship between Finnish and Quenya is precisely what Tolkien claims it to be, an _inspiration._ Roman Rausch has written a good article on that: www.sci.fi/~alboin/finn_que.htm His examinations reveal: "This would leave us about eleven words out of a thousand; in other words, about one percent of the Quenya words in the Etymologies come directly from Finnish." There are a similar number of false friends like *amme* Q. mother, F. bathtub and furthermore while some words are similar the grammar is rather different. All in all I find it highly unlikely that a Finnish speaker could make sense of a correctly written Quenya text.
After deep diving tolkiens history kinda spoiled the nerdgasm for me after finding out he had gel from four others writing and creating his legendarium you can see this by the nda’s that surround its publishing. Not that I still don’t love lotr, but my hype for Tolkien kinda is gone, he wasn’t some genius that invented all of this himself and created this massive stretching world and lore.
Imagine having this much spare time on your hands. Lol. He created a great work of literature.
Very nice vid, love the effort put into it! Pronounciation is a bit off though, imo in a video about the language you should be mindful of that...
Omg Tolkien speaking Quenya. My heart my heart 😭😭😭😭
its striking to know only now that quenya was based on my language >;>''
I think it should be said that the Elves so loved language and speech that they were named "Quendi" which has the same root as "Quenya"
It's looking like Arabic but upside down.
It's SINdarin not sinDArin
I hope you have not forgotten this playlist. There are yet more languages to cover.
Ive been trying to learn Sindarin these couple of days !
I find the words to be quite similar to the arabic alphabet.
Quenya is MUCH MORE appealing than Latin.
Thank you for this awesome piece of knowledge!
Yes Quenya was like the latin - the mother language. Love your videos ! Keep 'em rolling.
Based on Finnish and lesser Latin
I hope you will be interested to find that Tolken taught medieval Welsh at the University of Leeds between 1920 and 1925. So I think his main inspiration is probably Welsh.
Welsh inspired Sindarin. Finnish was a large influence on Quenya.
Awesome video! 💯🙌
"Let them sa-si, if they can speak no better!"
Menu ardor fabrario ust wun favor baalam bio nanasio parbramin
Could you do one on Na’vi
Awakening at "Kwee-way-nien"... LOL!
Elves look better in this universe then elder scrolls
Did you ever do a video on Sindarin? I can't find one.
I've never heard JRR Tolkien's voice
How do you say Griffin in elvish?
Can you do a video on LOTRO
Hello there friend, I have been a fan of your videos for a very long time, and I remember when this particular video first came out.
Well, years later this same video is helping me complete an assignment on "The Languages of J.R.R. Tolkien" for university, it has answered many questions. At last, I cannot find the video you mention about Sindarin, did you ever publish it? Or has it been lost from youtube? If perhaps you still have the video or have a chance to re-upload it, I would be forever grateful.
Thank you!
4:30 aha that's how the continent's on the forest moon of Endor lay out, middlearth is on that planet?🤣 The Ewoks originated from the Endor desert? 🤣 ( I'm jokeing) around)
Still waiting for the Sindarin video.
This sounds like light language
Fantastic as always, I've been binging your videos since I found them, very well made!! Can't wait for more man!
Great work!!
Something that still has me confused about Tolkien's languages is that he seems to depict the change of languages and birth of new languages among immortal races.
Excellent .. I always wantedto learn Latin (being a romaphile) .. wish I'd paid more attention in grade 1 high school .. sigh
If I may make a suggestion, I am fascinated by the black speech of Mordor and would like to learn of it's origins and its usage, especially from the Jackson films.
In old English they called Finns as Kvens and they speaked Kvenya 😊 sound familar?
Could you do a video on the Prophecy of Mandos and ‘The Battle at the end of time’ please? I can’t find much on it and I watched the witch king video and u said he might have returned at Dagor Dagorlath but I thought that was at the end of the first age?
Excellent video dude, I love quenyan it’s such a beautiful language and I will definitely check out Tolkien saying the poem!
Also if you could do videos on either, the limwaith, the druedain, the tauredain or maybe the half trolls that would be cool
If you're interested in learning Quenya or any other of Tolkien's languages the ardalambion website is a great resource
I'd love to learn the Elvish languages, but learning languages is a lot of work.
I'm pretty sure than the Feanorian letters were Tengwar. I always thought that it implied that their writing was more like Chinese until Feanor simplified it with an alphabet.