Yiiiiiikes! Brutal Results For The Lexus RZ450e Highway Electric Range Test
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Ryan takes the Lexus RZ450e on the Out of Spec 70-MPH Highway Range Test. The Lexus is rated for just 196 miles on the EPA cycle with 20" wheels. Watch to see if it can match its EPA rating!
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A compliance product and experiment for the engineering department. Never should have been released.
agreed
Test it again in January when it's 5 degrees and snowing! My guess: 80 miles.
i bet this have under 100miles of range in the winter..
If you dont use the heat ..
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004the radiant heating works really well and won’t eat the range but the instant 30 mile range loss with any HVAC usage is nuts
It’s endearing how embarrassed Ryan is to share the numbers at the end hahaha
Yeah, it sounds like he's being asked to kick a puppy lol
My 7000lb Rivian truck, with 35” off road tires has averaged 2.28mi/kW over 22k miles. What the hell toyota?!
Hey do not be bummed to be sharing this news. It helps all of us who may have thought of this car. Now we know steer clear of Lexus and Toyota EV's at all cost for now.
this cars need to be reselled after the first owners. I think this will drop the price. In 2 to 3 years, this range and technology should be crushed and worthless. Bad for them who bought it.
Ick, not great charging and terrible range. It's like they design them specifically to be horrible so they can say people aren't buying EVs.
In the Netherlands the counterpart from Toyota, the bz4x, had three major updates and finally good specs..... . This week was announced that the RZ get these updates as well and a new version, RZ 300e, with 220mls radius, better charging in winter and still 15 years warranty on batteries...... .
That's not bad, thats good!
Who drives 200plus miles daily????
This RZ is much quiter than a Tesla or Mustang EV or Q4 etron, much, much quiter, better build and far more comfortable than the cars mentioned.
This would have been acceptable 12 years ago. Pathetic. Impressive that they released this with their name on it.
As someone who used to work for Lexus I actually was looking at the RZ 450e, only to realize how scrappy the numbers are and the fact Lexus Canada didn't even bother putting it on sale in every province (I reside in Ontario where it isn't available period). Eventually settled with the Audi Q4.
Range for Lexus is far more than 99,9% needs for everyday use and have a charger at home. Considering all qualifications of the car the RZ is a fantastic car!
That is a fact. I still wouldn’t consider EVs for long range as the tech isn’t there yet and I think hybrids are THE way to go currently.
I also see others trashing Lexus without realizing that A) this is their first EV B) this car is likely more reliable than the other mentioned models which means less likely to deal with expensive battery replacement C) Toyota is also looking at other powertrains other than EVs which is a single minded pursuit considering the potential of hydrogen and synthetic fuel. Not to mention all the pollution and other stuff surrounding the manufacturing of EV batteries.
Toyota/Lexus set out to prove rhat BEVs are a failure... and they kind of nailed it. To make a product that bad can only have been a deliberate effort.
Fear not, as those forthcoming solid-state batteries will save the day 😂
900 miles!!!
@@doomsday9973 😅
You mean the batteries Toyota have been touting for thew past 10 years?
@@hartoz lol yep that’s them! The vaporware batteries
@@doomsday9973my friends me in group text two weeks ago regarding that (dated) popular mechanics press release. I told them it was smokescreen and bullshit. He was agasped thinking no way Toyota could do anything wrong 🤦
I’m curious. Were you using AC during the trip? I’m asking because I always have AC on and I worry that may make the range even worst. However, I’m planning to buy the car and use it for distances that only once or twice per year require more than 200 miles. Under that circumstances, I don’t really worry about the range for my day to day use
This RZ450e has identical issues as Toyota bZ4X before software update: no % SOC on display, consumption figure includes 10% charging losses (yes!), and a huge 10-15% SOC hidden buffer below 0 mile range.
Right before that graph popped up I was like "I'd like to see this in a graph compared with other vehicles" and then bam! Nice work guys!
Love the charts and graphs!! Can't wait to see what you do with all the data you are collecting with your testing. Great work!!
Lexus needs to install batteries commensurate with the size of their grills (or whatever you call that monstrosity on the front) and the problem would be solved.
Would be great if the graph/spreadsheet situation shared at the end of this video could be shared publicly as a Google Sheet or similar.
Seems like a GV60 or a Q4-etron would be a much better buy. BUT, I do really appreciate one thing about this car, and that is the relatively normal interior, DIC, and overall dash setup. It just feels like a normal car. The DIC even has a cowl over it to block sun and keep the screen cool. Why did that disappear from new EVs? It's a good feature--it makes it so you don't have to use as much energy on a bright screen. Bare screens in a car exposed to variable light conditions, seem so dumb to me. Yea you can make them very bright with high contrast to counteract it, but doesn't that take more energy? Just one more solution to a problem that has already been solved for years.
Wow Toyota/Lexus are in trouble. This doesn't just lose to Tesla, it loses to so many other brands. Scary times ahead!
They don’t care about Tesla
I do not compare anything with Tesla anymore. I compare with VW, Audi, Skoda, the Koreans, Nio, BYD, Volvo, MG, Smart/Geely and GWM/Ora even sometimes Peugeot and Renault. But Tesla is always - different.
@@wolfgangpreier9160what’s the difference with Tesla?
@@vxnova1 They just work. All others have issues. Range, software, price, heating, cooling, availability, supply chain, UAW etc. pp.
Tesla just works.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 ahh ok I thought you were going to say they were so bad or something, I got that one way wrong 😀
This is the saddest video I’ve ever seen about ev’s. 🤗 hold on Ryan it can only get better. Right?
My 2024 Subaru solterra is averaging 4.1 miles per kWh. And I’m not really trying to conserve. Good mix of speeds up to 70 mph. All charging at home. Temps mostly in the 60’s to 80’s. Probably live in the sweet spot for ev. Don’t need the car for long trips. Will always maintain a reserve to get us to anywhere we ever will wish to go. Thanks for your reviews. I feel mine is a winner based on my lease deal and my first ev.
$65,000 nicely equipped is way too much money for less than 200 mile range at 100% Very disappointing EV from Toyota. Tesla wipes this one off the map.
Toyota just isn't serious about electric cars yet.
Is this an intergalactic alien reviewing earths transportation options? Wow, interesting dude..
I went 700 miles in a day with my Kia EV6. I averaged 3.8 mi/kw. Driving the speed limit.
great to hear. Lexus drivers don't like it to be so far away from home. 😂
my 20-year old diesel can do that in 8 hours. :) and did the same 20 years ago. :D
So realistically, you would be stopping to charge after about 150 miles.
I wonder if Toyota put an extremely conservative battery buffer on it or something... Or is their energy density just that poor that they can't fit more than 71kWh in it?
big buffer and poor range. even with a 2.9 mi/kWh average over a 200 mile roadtrip it wasn’t good. thankfully it charges relatively faster compared to its platform mates but it’s meh still
They did and supposedly they are releasing a software update to allow use of some of the buffer along with a fix for the slow charging from 80-100%
What impresses me most is that Lexus managed to be worse than the Toyota BZ4X (did I get that name right?).
nobody should remember this names. Its also a tactic from Toyota. 😂 Just don't look at our cars, we are also not proud of them.
I own this car, and while the range definitely isn’t great, it’s NOT as bad as in this test. I’ve taken it on a road trip in the relatively hilly Finger Lakes region and got 3.3 miles/kWh going as fast as I wanted (75-80) with the AC blasting.
I think either something was wrong with their test car or the tires were shot.
I would love to see a range test of the RZ300e single motor with 18" wheels - It's EPA rating is 266 miles
I just hear Kyle saying "Yiiiiiikes!"
I guess it's fine if you really love Lexus and you never/rarely do road-trips. Even so, the poor efficiency means you'll be spending more to charge it.
2.6 miles/ kWh is terrible for a car this size at 70 mph. If I remember correctly the hummer truck has the worst efficiency at just below 2 kWh.
Just did a 200miles drive in this thing and while it’s generally a nice car…. gosh the range is a huge issue especially for nearly $70k. Not good and like ZERO good ev range data and stats in the car. A huge pass.
Is it true that the navigation does not add charging stops on the way?
@@wgemini4422 YES. I had to plan it out myself.
@@Allcarnews Geez, thanks for confirming. When Kyle reviewed it, I was sure he was wrong. How the hell did Lexus screw that up?
@@wgemini4422 No in car ev mapping (can be fixed with a software update hopefully) & you can’t even view your battery percentage only the estimated miles
At least the wheels didn’t fall off!! 😂
This is really a dumb joke. No wheels ever fell off any Toyota BEV. It was a preventive recall. Unlike Tesla that actually had wheels break off of their customers' cars.
@@benjaminsmith2287 when you sell literally hundreds of thousands more cars than the other, it's only natural a few have issues... it's when your sample size of a few hundred have issues is when it's ACTUALLY an issue
@@Dubitz Had issues and what is being said didn't happen to customers. Yet, some of the people saying this ignore that wheels broke off of Teslas. Fact is, the fix at Toyota was done over a year ago and it's petty and pathetic to bring this up as a "joke" at this point in time. Desperate even. Talk about the range and charing speed. That's relevant. The recall issue at this point in time is not.
156 miles at 70 MPH, LOL. That means that Biff and Buffy will be limited to going to Whole Foods and Lu Lu Lemon and then have to charge again. Oh, and winter is coming and Buffy hates to be cold.
FWIW, Bjorn barely did the same with the BZ4X in Norway to the point it was laughable.
I think this would have been okay if the peak charging rates were held throughout the full charging session. Having the last 15% of the pack taking an hour to charge makes this a non-starter. The efficiency doesn't matter quite as much as long as the range and charging performance are there, but apparently both are missing.
These vehicles can require 4, four, FOUR PLUS HOURS to reach 100% from 5% SOC at a DC FAST CHARGER.
I was on a road trip in my ID4. Pulled in initiated my charger and walked off for lunch.
Next to me was a Solterra at 92% SOC "FAST CHARGING" came back 35 minutes later after my lunch and the Solterra was at 95% still "FAST CHARGING" at a 350 KW dispenser receiving 3KW with another 60 minutes to go to 100 percent.
Wow! That's horrible!
I love Kyle's channels and everything you guys do. I actually own this vehicle. However, I have the premium with 18" wheels. You failed to mention that it is an option to get more range, albeit 220 rated, which is 6 less than the Mach E standard range AWD, yet no automotive journalist has touched that point. I purchased my RZ in Carlsbad, Ca, and drove it back to my home in Mesa, AZ, which is 397 miles. I stopped to DC fast charge twice. First was in Yuma, AZ. and then again once i got to Phoenix. I got 200 miles going 65 on cruise in 107-degree heat.
The build quality of this car is the best I have ever experienced. Remember, Toyota/Lexus is very conservative when adapting new tech. They focus on reliability and dependability, and I don't regret my purchase.
BTW, I also own a Model 3 RWD LFP.
2.6mpk is bad. There is no way to make it better, because it compares with many other evs in this price range.
@@LittleSpot I get 3.4 on mine.
Sorry about your purchase.. You just overpaid for a crappy EV. If you can't see that, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Thanks. I'm so sick of the range is the only thing that matters attitude about BEVs. It's not. Yes, the RZ doesn't have great range and it doesn't have great charging speed. But is it quiet? Is it solid? is is fluid in it's motions? Does it have that Lexus feel that makes driving or riding in it a refreshing experience? That's why a lot of people buy cars. Not to talk about stats and range all day but to enjoy the car product they own. And great point about smaller tires. It's so dumb to make these larger and larger tires. Worse range and it usually degrades ride quality as well.
@@benjaminsmith2287 If a $60k ICE car that was perfect in driving and comfort, but had only a 5 gal gas tank and took 10 mins to fill up, would you buy it? Of course not, so range does matter in ALL cars. Speed to fill up does matter in ALL cars.
Not sure what is going on with the car you tested, but I have owned this vehicle since Dec'23. Does it have great mileage? No, but I typically get 203-209 miles of range and charge on my at home level 2 charger maybe once a week. The car is showing 2.9 miles/Kw. I keep it on the "Normal" setting and sometimes put on the air conditioning (it is Springtime now). Using the current cost for a gallon of gas as well as the "fully loaded" cost per Kw from the electric company, I calculate I'm getting the equivelent of 99.4 MPG. I have no plans to take this (or any other EV on a long road trip). When I do take these trips, I'll get get a free loaner car using the Lexus Reserve program (up to 30 days over 3 years). After that, I'll take my Lexus RX350 gas car on these trips. The car is quiet, quick, comfortable, realiable and loaded with tech. Just had a friend who bought this car earlier in the week and he too loves this vehicle.
Forget the range, the constant bings and bongs would drive me bonkers!
Strong contender for Out Of Spec Dave road trip car 😂
“I’ve got charge anxiety in my Lucid… let’s try out this Lexus” oh man it’d be funny
Very nice EV for me but at current stage its battery is too small , at speed 70mph it should do at least 200 miles , I guess 100kWh battery is needed
What’s funny is I don’t hate how it looks. Most everything else tho 😂
Range in an owners world ? By running out the buffer and going beyond 0 miles seems like giving the maker range they don’t deserve/didn’t intend to be used. So this EV is probably more like 164, instead of the 172 result. 2.6 miles/kWh is right where an F150 Lightning Pro gets. Did Toyota mess up using the prismatic Li-Ion cells?
Toyota's resistance to EVs continues on... I routinely drive my GV60 Advance down to 4% and exclusively charge at Electrify America because it is free for 3 years, after which I will install a home charger. I average 240 miles per charge (80%) and keep the speed at 70mph. My charging sessions are between 15 and 20 mins, depending on the charging stations. E.A. chargers in Southern California and surrounding states are so abundant I am doing many road trips. I plan on getting close to 100,000 miles during the 3 year free charging period and test their battery warranty. The GV60 is the best car I've ever owned in 40 years of driving. 😊
Before watching I’m guessing 180
Edit: 172 LMFAOOOO a fucking BOLT would beat this
A used Bolt with the old battery in winter did better!
Suddenly Toyota adverts about waiting around for an ev to charge make sense?
then they gotta do what Honda did and rebadge someone else's car while theirs continues to cook
I own this vehicle. I consistently get 3.0 to 3.1 miles per kWh. Something is wrong with this test..
At what speed?
I get 2.9 and sometimes race other cars. I charge maybe once a week.
I could have done 293 miles in my Niro EV a month ago. 3 Caveats 1. No a/c used or needed. 2. 7mph tailwind. 3. Tires near end of life. Traveled at 72mph via speedo. 4.5 miles/kwh, dropped to 4.2 later at night.
Subaru Solterra needs to get explore more since it's the better looking out of that Toyota line of BEVs.
The Lexus RZ450e, Toyota BZ4x, and Subaru Solterra are all the same vehicle platform. It's a terrible platform, and so all of the vehicles based on it will be disappointing. Styling is just lipstick on a turd at that point...
I am interested in a video dedicated to that spreadsheet. It looks like there is a lot of additional data. Maybe a review of reviews video.
Toyota dealerships have many BZ4 on their lots, reason, short range and high price. Fortunately they are being subsidized by Toyota to sell them off very soon.
This is how Mr Toyoda tells us that EVs are a failure 😅
These notifications are so annoying that them alone are enough for me not to buy the vehicle. I was actually planning to buy the plug-in hybrid counterpart but saying this popping out constantly was definite deal breaker.
hahahahaha are we really surprised? RZ is one of the least compelling evs on the market today imho
17:22 it's safe to assume even with terrible per kWh ratings at 2.3, R1S and T still went over 280miles of range.
If you are talking about efficiency, combined hgwy+city in SUV category. Only Tesla Model Y(AWD, Long Range AWD, RWD) gets more Le/km. If you are looking at whole bev category then only Lucid air touring and pure, Ioniq 6, Model Y and 3 are the only ones more efficient than this/bz4x. They match Model S, EV6, Bolt EV and EUV. It still more efficient than ID4, Ioniq 5, Model X, Mach E and everything from BMW and Audi.
Which odb and app do you use to measure real battery capacity?
Toyota went from making the best hybrids to the worst EVs.
Toyota needs to stop messing around with this BS or they’ll be out of business within a decade. 🙄
absolutely delusional to think that
Why do you care
interesting, thanks for the chart that was welcomed in my evaluation
I reserved this car for purchase on Carvana, however after careful research and watching this video I will be canceling the order. Thank you 🙏🏽
what a POS car, horrible range, horrible charging, horrible efficiency.
what app/obd do you use for more info for the car stats?
Good luck Yoda. You’re gonna need it.
Which OBD and OBD app did you use?
Lexus, Ryan's not mad at you...he's just disappointed.
Good review, thanks.
I guess there's a reason Lexus gives you 30 days of free ICE car rental for 3 years
People need to stop bashing this car. It's supposed to not be a road car according to Lexus. It's meant to be a runabout and to be a Lexus. Does it succeed at being a Lexus? Yes. It can also get OTA updates to upgrade the range. I have more of a problem with the charging speed than the range. It'll do better in the city than on the highway anyway. And it would do better with19" tires.
Hey! At least it has more range than the fist generation Nissan Leaf. I was so looking forward to buying one of these to add to my existing 1999 Lexus SC400. Instead bought a Ford Mach-e and have since put 20,000 miles on it in a year.
Why do they call it a traction battery?
I believe that is in reference to the high voltage battery which actually powers the motors to move the car vs low voltage (usually 12v) battery system that powers the stuff in the car such as power windows, infotainment, wipers,etc
@@sure_serge It's weird, they don't just say hi voltage battery.
@@Bluelightning23some do
@@Bluelightning23 It makes more sense to me to identify the battery by its function rather than its particular characteristics.
Can you guys do the 10% challenge on a BMW iX?
How are there new 2024+ EVs coming out with such awful range? What is even the point? I pity anyone who buys this...
Agreed the resale value on this would be horrible, Maybe worse than the Etron,
Price: $58,000
0-60 acceleration: 5.0 seconds
Toyota's EV's (BZ4X, Solterra, Lexus) are all pathetic. Most people trying to road trip these clones will be forced into DC Chargers every 120 miles. Most owners will not be charging past 80 percent and charging again at 15 to 20 percent.
This means most owners of these vehicles on a road trip will be stopping every 110 to 130 miles, then waiting at a charger for 40 minutes OR MORE to add back 110 to 140 miles of range.
Heck, my Mini Cooper SE around town EV (for almost half the price) is a better road trip car than these CLO(w)NeS.
I was at a Drive Electric Event last Saturday. There were a few people considering different brands. They were looking at these Clones. I told them to avoid them like the Plague, they were Toyota fans.
They asked me why, I told them; TERRIBLE RANGE, TERRIBLE DC FAST CHARGING, TERRIBLE AC CHARGING, no way to display the vehicles actual SOC, and priced at a premium compared to its competitors.
130-150 usable miles, fail. My morning commute all round trip figures 51 miles, picking up wife round trip, kids school, 3 miles, my job #1 10 miles, drop wife at work 51 miles, head to job 2, 10 miles……125 miles….and of course I need 80 miles for in and around “fun”…..not time that I can afford sitting at a charger during my busy day, got errands and groceries and meetings to drive to. My Model S is very efficient, my wife and I prefer to maximize its reliability and cost reductions over her TDI. This Lexus can’t keep up with my commute, leaves no time for an emergency run to the doctors office…. I need 250 “guaranteed”miles (that means no matter how fast slow cold or crazy I will always have this range) with 25-30% battery reserve of 75 or so miles.
Tow it with a Rivian. You'll get the same range.
This is hilarious. It could go farther, and still be faster 0-60.
What a shame for Lexus... The quality build is stellar but...
This car proves Toyota / Lexus had the ability to make 💩
At least you got 66kWh out of the package 🙂 Nice test
Oof, that’s bad but you did great in a Ramsay Bolton kind of way.
Bring back kyle
Thanks for the charts!
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This is so funny this video is rite next to an add from Lexus for the RZ300e and it cliams 201 HP and a WLTC Range of 372 Miles
I wonder why you are not focusing on the difference between the Lexus and the Toyota. This looks like strange results from the same platform?
Bigger tires and probably less aerodynamic. Also more powerful motors. Maybe weigh more as well.
Worth asking - how have they managed such poor efficiency? No heat pump, inefficient motors, building with an ICE mindset?
Would like to see a 15 Minute Charging Challenge with this Leaf, eh sorry Lexus.
Akio Toyoda will only has himself to blame for Toyota/Lexus coming in last in the great EV transition race!! How the mighty have fallen!! Back in the 70's, Toyota disrupted the US car industry with cheaper, more efficient products. Now, Tesla - the most American cars on the road - is eating Toyota's lunch. And breakfast. And dinner.
What incentive does Toyota have to sell a competent EV when mass market adoption is pitifully low? None. It’s a transitionary product co-developed with Subaru as a proof of concept to comply with California regulations. Saying they’re incapable of delivering in the future when battery technology actually can keep up with market demand is suggesting the worlds 2nd largest automotive manufacturer doesn’t know how to make cars.
@kappatalism4760 that's good. Keep telling toyota that till they need a bailout from the Japanese government 😂
Don't mention anything about tesla model y being the best selling passenger car, or that 15% of new tesla owners were formerly Toyota owners, or that they are losing major market share in the largest car market to EVs, or that that market is banning EV sales in 2035, or how they're margins are tiny compared to Teslas margins, and definitely don't remind them they are $186 BILLION in debt. 😂
@@kappatalism4760 Toyota is the largest automotive manufacturer. Who's larger? Also I agree. Toyota knows what they're doing. They'll make fine BEVs around 2027 on when the adoption is higher as well as when carmakers are actually making money on BEVs.
@@benjaminsmith2287 If I'm not mistaken VW is the largest be revenue. But could be wrong based on other metrics. None the less you're exactly right, the profitability isn't there as well as the resources needed for lithium ion battery tech.
@@kappatalism4760
2019 20%
Those stats are global battery vehicle sales as a % of all new car sales, anyone not paying attention to this trend is delusional. I would not want to be Toyota at the moment - they have a lot of work to do to avoid catastrophe - and yes they completely messed up this transition, they are in the same position Sears were before the rise of Walmart, Amazon and online shopping.....I could equally apply this type of comment to them "surely you are not suggesting the world's biggest retailer can't keep up with the market and doesn't know what they are doing?"...well we know how that worked out.
If the EPA range is not stated to be 200, I can foresee lawsuit against Lexus...
Oh this is pathetic for so many reasons. It’s a major car company that can’t make any decent electric cars despite starting with the Prius 25 years ago what’s really Stupid is there’s no way they can be making money on a car this bad why are they doing it? This is some Japanese face saving ridiculous idea.
Is that the replacement for the first generation of Nissan Leaf? The range is pitiful. It could perhaps be a commuter car but nothing else.
Well, it may not be a bad car at Leaf price. :D
Who is surprised even a bit 😂
At the price point they are at, these should have a free software and battery upgrade to at least 350miles of range and charge speed of close to tesla in the future (maybe 1-2 years time).
This thing is absolutely putrid. Takes all day to charge, gets a little more range than a LEAF, but has a luxury price tag. It's almost like Lexus is trying to sabotage themselves 😂.
It's disappointing that the company which has been making reliable cars and super efficient hybrids for decades, and is a leader in electric handling equipment worldwide, just can't seem to make an EV. Worst of all, knowing how bad the UX300e was, and now this RZ, they're selling them as PREMIUM.
The car is missing the update it has 8% left at 0 miles