Why Amateurs Can't Swing Like The Pros (Reverse Your Sequence)
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I love that you bring other instructors onto your channel, there's so much information out there and different instructors have different ways to explain. I've had instruction with teachers and they were trying to explain things but I wasn't understanding but another teacher would explain the same thing in a different way and it clicks. I really appreciate how he speaks about the swing in relation to the spine, well done sir👍
100% agreed----thanks Javier! Trevor is great...love to bring others on to share their wisdom as we all have lots to learn still :)
Some basic kinesiology
A “ normal spine “ is defined as the position of the spine in which the 3 spines ( lumbar , thoracic , cervical ) are aligned with normal spinal curvatures -lumbar ( inward or lordosis )
Thoracic ( outward or kyphosis)
Cervical( lordosis)
A “ normal spine” is the position of the spine which both maximizes mobility and minimizes injuries .
Deviations from a “ normal spine “ will reduce mobility and increase the chances of injuries .
The position of the spine suggested by your accompanying pro involves posterior pelvic rotation or tucking the pelvis .It will cause the tailbone ( coccyx) to move down and forward and moves the lumbar spine into flexion .It shortens the hamstrings , lengthens the quads and places the abs into a “crunch position”.
While some think that such movement will activate the glutes ,it actually will cause chronic tightening of the gluteal muscles , external hip rotation and weakens the pelvic floor muscles .
In essence “ tucking the pelvis forces the spine into a position that contradicts the idea of a “ neutral spine “
Just like nobody would recommend tucking the pelvis when doing “dead lifts”, no golfer should tuck their pelvis at golf setup.
Rotation in the golf swing should focus only on the thoracic spine with a “ normal spine” as the all important foundation .
Thanks for sharing Dave!
I have watched countless videos in an effort to improve my body rotation in the downswing to no avail. This is the first time I've seen such a great explanation of the pivotal movements in the downswing step by step. Went and practiced in my living room and felt the results immediately. I finally understood the problem was me locking my lower back thinking it was the correct posture when it wasn't. Now I feel like I'm almost rounding my back, and dropping my arms as dead weight in the setup to feel every rotational position. Amazing video!
Love to hear that!!
@Teedo.....same here. I have an indoor launch monitor with swing capture cameras. I have been working on keeping my posture thru the swing and no longer early extending. Trevor's setup help me accomplish this naturally. GG and others also talk about this but with Trevor it just made more sense. It's his only "non-negotiable"!! That told me something. Thanks, Eric, for bringing Trevor on your channel & thanks for all you do for the game too!
I swear one of the best explanations I’ve ever heard and seen throughout all the videos I’ve watched. Thanks Trevor for explaining so well for the beginners to understand easily. And Eric thanks for putting this together!
Thank you! Our pleasure!
I have spent literally years trying to figure out why everything in my swing looks good until P5 and then my right hip starts moving forward leading to compensations and inconsistent strikes. I have seen instruction on getting the lower torso more upright (belt buckle more forward} at address but I have never really understood this until now. This was a lightbulb moment for me. I tried to exaggerate this setup (it didn't look exaggerated in my video though) and just made a swing without really trying to do anything different. Video confirmed what I felt - hip depth the entire swing. Left hip went though the vertical line I drew of the address position. Everything is so much easier now in terms of feeling the turn power the swing. Thanks guys, great video!
Love it, Jeff! Happy to hear this video helped my friend!
What a great lesson on sequencing.
Thank you!
Thanks for introducing Trevor. I have always like Milo Line’s teaching and Trevor's stuff is very much on the same page. Always good to hear/see different ways to say the same things!
100%! So glad you enjoyed the video, Dennis! :)
Agreed...Milo & GG......essentially the same! Thanks Eric for sharing!
Bending of spine!
That is the Key ….
Tkz million !!
👊Hope it serves you well!
@@CogornoGolf🎉
This is exactly the video I needed. Thank you!!!!
Our pleasure!
Awesome video! Great information and explanation 👍
Thank you, David! :)
Great lesson. Much appreciated
Thanks Brian!
As a chronic over the topper, this video really resonates. Nice work and thanks!
Thank you!
Best explanation by way of demonstration I have ever witnessed of a proper down swing sequence that is so important for consistency and power.
Thanks Harold! More to come with Trevor in coming days!
I have read other people comment this on your videos but it is positively spooky how often you release the EXACT video that is relevant to where i am currently at with my coach, i mean this has happened dozens of times for me now. If I didn’t know better I’d take it as proof of a glitch in the matrix
Lol :)
This is an excellent video. The blending of visual and feel guidance points make it easy to comprehend and put into action with my own swing. You both complement one another with your teaching approaches also - great collaboration and look forward to seeing more
Thank you :)
Very helpful but grateful for some clarification about the set up position from where the mid upper body should bend towards the ground. Many thanks.
Hey Carlos!
Glad this one helped!
Here is more we did on this topic:
ua-cam.com/video/OTQUWxZpTao/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/c5FJRwZ_GnI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/5REpAHSNZd0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/sFApkC1N-L4/v-deo.html
I have watched many videos on this and this is best explanation on it I have seen. What an a-ha moment. Thank you!
Our pleasure, Terry!
Outstanding video!
Thank you, Bobby!
His explanation totally changed my game, hope to invite him back to your channel for chipping lesson
Trevor is awesome! Glad this one helped my friend!
This is great stuff!
Thank you!
Great golf knowledge!!!
👊
Thank you for being here with us!
this is the best golf video out there - this move fixes just about everything
Thank you Tommy!
A great lesson.
Thanks Pat!
What I liked here was the posture at address ! This to me was the crucial element of the whole lesson. Without the correct bending towards the ball, not sort of locking the back with the butt out posture was my biggest takeaway, plus of course the relationship between the arm speed to body speed being so much faster.
When I finally stopped trying to look look on pointe with an arched lower spine and shoulders back, I was better able to achieve some of the positions described in the video. I'm suggesting you "slump" but that's what it feels like.
Thank you so much 😊 I guess I watched Adam Scott’s posture and tried to emulate his. I enjoyed your video and help as when I practice next I shall indeed focus more on the very valid points you taught us 👍
100% Arthur!
More coming up with Trevor in coming days!
More on setup posture you may like:
www.youtube.com/watch?
v=OTQUWxZpTao&t=926s
ua-cam.com/video/sFApkC1N-L4/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/5REpAHSNZd0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/c5FJRwZ_GnI/v-deo.html
This is GOLD!!!
Thank you, Manny!
Would you mind providing a little explanation on how he set up the “stick” coming out of the G-Box? What was it made of and how did he fasten it to the G-Box? Thanks!
Great video fellas!!
Thank you, Tim!
excellent!
Thanks Richard!
Very interesting set of drills
Hope it helps Peter!
This is gold
Thank you!
Wow. What an awesome fricken lesson, bro. I am a former competitive player rebuilding my swing to play tournament golf again, and your example of the bent over setup at 3:10 is exactly what I am working on.
Thank you! Hope this one helps your game!!
Best instruction
Thank you!
Thanks Eric! That dude was cool! (yes, I'm 61 and loved him)
:) Appreciate your support, Todd!
Maybe the best video ever done on down swing.
Thank you, Tom! Glad you enjoyed this one!
This info is really helpful. When you discuss the downswing sequence (which I get is best ground up), what is your thought about players like Justin Rose doing drills to get the hands in front faster (avoid getting stuck behind)?
Hey John!
So that's a different thing.
He is still sequencing from ground up.
For him thats less about sequencing (what order) its more how much and when of each.
Its more arm and shaft plane relative to torso rotation
Great video! I was a bit confused at first re: alligator jaws. The gator tail is toward the target and the two sticks from mid chest opposite the target are the jaws. The lower jaw opens wider at the beginning of the downswing. This visual emphasizes the lower body moving to a greater degree than the shoulders at the beginning of the downswing. A superimposed gator could have clarified. Hopefully, I do not fall down when I first try this on the course. Anything I can learn to help take excessive arm effort out of the beginning of the downswing is valuable to me. Thank you very much for this great demo Eric and Trevor!
Yes good one Roger---I should have taken a bit more time to explain that more---well put! Our pleasure!
@@CogornoGolf I appreciate your response!
Again… looked in the mirror at my setup and I was EXACTLY like the “bad” setup. Wow. Another fantastic video.
Haha at least not you KNOW right! Time to fx it :)
This a really good one. I have a question: when should the lead knee straighten in the downswing?
Thank you! Your lead leg should not fully straighten until your arms are parallel to the ground on the follow through👍
Here a video we did on this with specifics:
ua-cam.com/video/S_WXrdLqbs4/v-deo.html
You young guys make it look so easy!! Wait until you get old.... You'll just be glad you can get out of bed in the morning...
Lol
Great video. the "bad" posture look like what most people aspire to.
Thanks! Hope it helps your game!
Top tier video
Thank you!!
Trevor looks FABULOUS!!!
👊Thanks for watching, Drew!
Eric, Any chance you could do a video with Jimmy Ballard. I think he’s in Stuart, fl.
That would be awesome---if you can set it up we are in :)
the baseball throw metaphor is perfect..
👊Hope it serves you well! Thanks for watching!
Hi Eric a question not related to this video. Does the precision impact left arm trainer work with driver. Iv scoured UA-cam and can not find a single video on driver with this training aid.
IT depends on your club head speed Kevin
The slower the speed the more you need to throw the trail wrist sooner (to have enough loft)
If you have a lot of speed it works great with driver....still I would use it mainly to train with irons
@@CogornoGolf lol I don’t know my club head speed. I don’t have access to a monitor. Thanks for replying
Hi guys great video!
The various exercises to start the downswing in order to sequence the pelvis, rib cage, and the shoulder’s are all good; but highly exaggerated compared to the actual golf downswing that take about 1/3rd second
Correct?
So I would like to simplify the downswing for everyone in terms of Golf’s true body mechanics.
As long as golfers set their golf posture in the correct manner Trevor have shown they will find that simply squeezing their buttocks together ( lead buttock against the trail buttock) on the start of their downswing will automatically accomplish several domino moves. Squeezing the buttocks together to start the downswing actually prevents their hips from ever spinning out of control; and also will automatically move their pelvis first, the rib cage second; and then their arms. Believe it or not their lead knee will automatically get our of their way as well. And this simple move will also bring the golfers entire body to the classic trail ‘heel away’ stand up finish. All done in about 1/3rd of a second.
The human buttocks Is the center and origin to the golf downswing.
Please have an open mind and try my recommendation. As you swing your club back and forth simply think in timing and tempo “Back&Squeeze”. You will love it, after all we are all built similar; and at age 75 i discovered it works. Remember you heard this from me first. Cheers
Hey Thomas!
you are correct, we are exaggerating here.
Best
@@CogornoGolf Hope you try the butt move and teach it as well. I learned this golf swing fact from watching pretty female golfers. Cheers 😃
I kept watching because of the sauconys!
:)
Where did you get those alignment sticks?
LOL at 'vertebraes.' The word vertebrae is already plural. Its singular is vertebra.
Otherwise, good instructional content, if perhaps a little too complicated in its presentation.
The very short segment at the beginning in which he mimics how it would be for a pitcher to reverse the natural sequence is gold.
Thank you for watching!
Thinking about moving my hips never worked for me.
Instead of moving the hips think of driving the rear knee behind the front knee. Allow the upper body to follow with the turn and the hips move perfectly.
👊Thanks for watching, Richard!
i use the stick through the belt loops and that helps.
👊Thanks for watching, Steve!
Alligator jaws? You normally do a tremendous job of explaining the key teaching points, but I was totally lost during this segment, and I think it was a very important teaching point.
Ahh sorry about that---thats my fault! I will work to do better moving forward!
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He explains it perfectly here. 8:45
Who is that guy? I could listen to him for hours.
Trevor Salzman
He's awesome!
Appreciate you watching, Eric!
I must say, when he was doing the reverse-pitch, he looked like he was a professional breakdancer
:)
Who is this guy! Nice teaching
Trevor Salzman! Check out his details in the description of the video👊
Thanks for watching!!
One of the harder things to get right. It isn’t easy but thanks for the lesson
Our pleasure, Stevie! Hope this one helps your game!
when i get it right my golf is good but can't always keep it going for some reason.
Whenever I implement hip rotation it results in a pretty hefty slice, have not found a way to fix that
Close the club face MORE and probably SOONER to combo with that.....HOW to close face options here:
ua-cam.com/video/fCW9W_lGQtM/v-deo.html
If you're accustomed to squaring the clubface by throwing the hands at impact then yes, this will you leave you wide open. Now you'll have to use your wrists differently.
Can you explain the alligator jaws analogy a little better??
This broke my back
If Neil deGrasse Tyson coached golf and had any respectable level of social aptitude this is what it would sound like. My golf brain is overwhelmed by the detail and quality of his explanations. Think I need a nap before the range.
Rest up :)
You should put a disclaimer on the impact position drill. If you have tight obliques (like me) don't go too aggressive to where it hurts. I need to work on stretching the obliques. HaHa!
:) Thanks so much for watching the channel!
great stuff... but Trevor looks like a contortionist or gumby with how much he can turn and be flexible... his length and thinner stature also allows much more flexibility. The moves he is showing are not possible for many amateurs such as myself.... 40 yr old 10-12 GHIN, 5'9" 185 lbs... with some back and shoulder issues and some permanent spasms in the back.
I realize these issues can be fixed a little bit... when I'm lose i can turn pretty well. But it would be awesome to see some stepping stone movements to what Trevor or Eric are showing us from people who haven't had a near perfect swing for the majority of their life and have ideally conditioned bodies for the game... Meaning, i would like to see you all provide some musts vs nice to haves based on ability and physical condition.
I feel like it is tough sometimes to get the point or get the feel for some of these lessons when you can't recreate what these pros are doing.
I'm not criticizing this video tbh... It's just something I'd like to see on this and other golf instruction youtube channels. It's nice to strive for an ideal swing and to know what you should be doing ideally... but it sure would be nice to visually see how to achieve the bare minimum non-negotiable points for the swing in this video... instead of packaging 6-8 concepts and movements at once... 3 or 4 of which cant' be reproduced by dad bods such as myself.
I hear ya---good feedback!
Thanks for the video, Eric. One thing I didn't see in the video (or in the comments thus far) is any mention of this man's takeaway. He hovers the clubface and brings it over the ball at the beginning of his swing. 30 years of playing. I've never seen anything like it. If I never saw a tour player do this, I have to question if this is practical. Your thoughts Eric/viewers?
Hey!
I'm not sure why he does it to be honest :) Haha I suppose gives him some momentum to get the swing started!
Anything works so long as you hit it well :)
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric. What the hell, I've give it a try..
If you were standing up more vertically, it's basically how you'd swing a baseball bat.
Yep lots of similarities
how to deploy the right side bend is the missing link
Big key!
You may like this one for right side bend
ua-cam.com/video/7pbkEuD0NiE/v-deo.html
Everyone else seems to tell you to bend at the hips, but he’s saying to bend at the waist?? Now I’m lost. Which is correct?
I like the way HE does it.....here is more we did on the subject
ua-cam.com/video/OTQUWxZpTao/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/c5FJRwZ_GnI/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/5REpAHSNZd0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/sFApkC1N-L4/v-deo.html
Trevor is a lithe and flexible as a seal. Not sure an 81 year old who is too thick in the middle can achieve the amount of hip, mid and shoulder turn and separation he illustrates.
Understood John---I hear ya. Appreciate the feedback!
John i am 75 and on the downswing i simply squeeze my lead buttock against my trail buttock and the dominoes fall to a classic heel away finish swing. Try it please! Let me know what you think. Cheers
Interesting on posture. Aligns to @milo lines thoughts i think
In contrast @athletic motion golf suggests its hips over ankles and then healthy (more than you think) forward bend. I think both end up at the same place not far after p1 ..?
Would be good to see this addressed as a of the the transition info is useful for drills etc
Appreciate your feedback, Tim!
Thank you for watching the channel!!
It wasn’t drinking and driving Tiger got in trouble for. He was under the influence of prescription medication
Trevor is good. Insightful. Side note, does he sound like someone? David Blaine? Funny?
He’s down where Trump hotel bought out my friends condo complex some years ago. Close to the mall.
He's awesome!! Glad you enjoyed the video my friend! :)
@@CogornoGolf I had to have something take my mind off the balloon today. 🤜
I have attempted this for years, the art of separation. I just can't seem to get it to work with any power whatsoever
Thanks for watching, Dominic!
Send your swings to www.cogornogolf.com and we can put a practice plan together for you! Would love to work together on your game👊
Appreciate you being here with us!
I like the pelvis first move.
👊Thanks for being here with us, Steve!
Gankas swing revolution is alive
Agreed!
Disagree. Gears has proven his signature lower body move (right knee moves *external* in transition) is something no Tour player does. It’s a ridiculous move that no amateur should copy. Gankas had his 15 minutes of fame with Wolfe (where is he now?) and his other notable junior golfer, Tristan Gretzky, never achieved golfing distinction.
@@temporarystranger95 while you’re right, I think gankas teaches more feels than movement patterns. Rory also says he feels his lead knee go external. Obviously feels versus reals are different.
@@natewins11 Lead knee, yes. Not trail knee. Not sure Gankas teaches feels. He gets pretty damn technical with that computer on the range. Just not a fan of his teaching. There are better out there that teach a rotational swing (Elite Golf, for example), while AMG is the gold standard for Gears measurement.
@@temporarystranger95 I get it. You’re not the first person I’ve heard that from. I find AMG to technical. I haven’t heard of elite.
For me I need to feel arms moving first followed by the body to produce consistent shots. This same teaching by another instructor totally screwed up my swing as my tendency would be to fire the hips too quickly and spin out of the shot creating a very steep and over the top swing plane. This might work for some but it’s definitely not a one size fits all approach. On another note, it drives me crazy when instructors compare a golf swing to throwing a ball over hand. Not an apples to apples comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be a tennis or hockey motion.
Ahh I hear ya Mat! Sorry to hear of that but glad you got back on track!
@@CogornoGolf sorry if I came across as bitching….wasn’t my intention🤣. I’m a fan of your content and always will be.
I think that the separation of the upper and lower body dogma (= X-factor) needs to be seriously addressed. More than 1/3 of amateur golfers suffer from chronic LBP and so far research shows that such separation may play a key role (together with other factors, such as reverse spine angle). For all of us dying to play without pain and finding it very difficult to rotate and pivot with the strength that this kind of swing demands, it is somehow frustrating that there is no alternative offered out there as if the classic golf swing had never produced results. I don't mean that we, those not able to achieve such crunch factor/side bent like Trevor's, should swing like most golfers in their 70s, having logically lost the needed flexibility, but there must be a way to generate speed and get solid impact while not having to separate so much upper and lower body, same as the classics did.
After this It seems i ll find a way to break my pelvis first before the rip cage
I have faith in ya
Eric do you know how hard that swing is for guys 40 and older ? I have always looked at Louie Oostheizen on how balanced he is through the golf swing and I can only speak for myself I use to turn and try to do what this guy is saying and I was going backwards, I played baseball as a kid and in high school and after 16 inch softball a Chicago game . His swing is for a young guy have you ever seen Jack Nicklaus do this? No I have found my power again by doing this with my hips instead of turning I heard Rory in a video say on the downswing he gets his knee out of the way by bringing it back so I have incorporated that on both the backswing and downswing which gives me great balance and I also do what Pete Cowan says on going to the top I do his hands going in opposite directions I get massive power doing this . I am not trying to debunk this guy he seems like a good guy but his body movements on the downswing I will be in traction and with no power . A Baseball pitcher usually from 20-35 has way better movements being that young ..
Hey Dan I hear ya and understand your perspective!
@@CogornoGolf Eric try the Pete Cowan drill he says from start to finish I do it on the way up or watch if you can James Robinson’s instruction with Pete Cowan . With your ability to teach which is second to none I would love to hear your perspective on it in a video . Thanks for your response your always a class act .
Yeah, my limit is 5 sticks attached if I'm actually hitting a golf ball.
Lol yeah any more may be tough :)
haahaha
the very simple problem is most people simply can't move like this
Hey Robert! I think some physically cannot....and some CAN but DONT.
All the best
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What’s funny about golf is that one guy will tell you to do something and another will tell you to do the exact opposite, I mean what is going on? That’s the biggest reason why nobody gets better is the inconsistency from teacher to teacher and also from week to week by the same teacher. All this talk about body positions. It’s amazing you can even swing a club. Do You think about all this stuff when you’re walking down the street or throwing a ball? no you don’t.
Hey Sarge! I hear ya....tough game. Hope you are well
There is not one golf swing. There are several ways to swing. (See best players). When will you invite Mike Adams ?
For sure lots of ways to get it done----if you have watched our videos over the past 7 years we say that A LOTTTTT :)
Would love to do some videos with Mike!
Love the start with the posture but this is tototal.opposite to pga players like rory. This promotes a curved spine pga players Bend from hips and have straight spine????... this gs like this is very confusing for people
Hey Phil---Check out Hogan, Nicklaus, etc
Because they don't start playing at 6 years old and sleep with a golf club in their hands and don't hit a thousand golf balls a day, that's why.
HAha!
I wouldn’t trade my swing for any pro that I have ever seen. Most have way to many flaws
I am going nuts with these conflicting instructions out there. At one time, one of my instructors told me my back will be hurt if I play like this, and one other told me don’t go deeping during the downswing, but I see the pro they all do that, one told me dont divot after hitting the ball … I am screwed from single HCP to 16 now …
this is the typical video that is so confusing that actually can screw up whatever swing you have as an amateur
Cause I can’t hit balls 8 hours a day, 7 days a week with a coach by my side maybe?
Lol fair :)
Sure I can do that at 63
:) Appreciate you watching the channel my friend!
No sure why you labeled the video as the reason amateurs cant swing like Pro's. There are tons and tons of amateurs that swing as well as Pro's do.
Sorry if we misled you---appreciate you taking time to watch and be here with you! I added "reverse your sequence" to the title for more specific reference
This is really hard to see in a fast swing by someone producing high ball speed.
Swing implies conscious effort. The golf swing really is the backswing. A good back swing automatically ensures a proper downswing. Teaching the dowinswing by itself in my view is confusing and incorrect
I hear ya! Backswing....(and setup) are SO important we have literally hundreds on them on the channel :)
Hope all is well and appreciate the feedback!
i really hate this swing, im sorry. tiger and rory have good swings, but according the the graphic at 5:01 their setup is bad. i must disagree.
Thanks for the feedback!
Golf isn’t one size fits all. Look at Hogan. He had this exact setup. Fleetwood has this setup. Hovland.. the list goes on.
Absolute nonsense
Thanks for the feedback!
Why?
A slicer doesn’t start with his arms he starts with his torso, he should learn to speed up his hands. If you throw a ball , you don’t try to start with your lower. Golf is not learned by trying to correct faults directly what seen in the slow motion picture unfortunately. Been and seen that for decades and learned.
@@kukamaolen3669 Wow.
@@kukamaolen3669 I hope no one ever tries to learn .. well anything .. from you, ever. You could literally not BE more wrong. Good luck.
Yeah… I don’t know about that. First of all, that impact position is demonstrably wrong. The shoulders are square to just slightly open at impact. I doubt anyone would argue that. This coach has his shoulders like 90 degrees open in his impact position. His idea of bending at the thoracic and not at the pelvis is going to send people to the hospital. That’s… not how it works. Ask a kinesiologist to correct that. That’s his one non negotiable? I feel for his students. Look at his swing, he’s bending exactly how he says not to bend. The figure skater doesn’t do wha he says. The pitcher only does it before he starts his motion. Alligator jaws? Lo Mein from China? Clear as mud.
Hey Jason!
Thanks for sharing this---we always appreciate and value everyones feedback. Hopefully other videos we do will serve you better!
Wow Demonstrably wrong?
Show us what your impact position looks like.
Do you understand feel and real in golf instruction?
Hmmm.......
I actually would argue against that ambiguous nonsense you posted.
This is very good instruction especially regarding how the body moves
I added 10 yards with every stick when I learned not to bend at the hip sockets and bend open the spine forward
I can move FASTER
Eric you are a very polite gentleman sir👏
Who can actually bend like this 20 year old? Lol