Been listening to Black Flag since 1987, and never saw them until 04/15/2023 in Hobart Indiana, and I gotta saw I had a GREAT time! Sorry people, singers leave bands and life goes on. Quit being a purist and let the nostalgia go, and go see them live. You'll have a great time too!
Ya but this is just Greg ginn and friends. Saw Rollins with mother superior do a flag show in 2003 it was cool but still not flag. Closest thing we got was Flag with Bill Stevenson, Morris and Chuck. Too bad ginn stopped that.
@@Braineaters8 he literally quit and told Rollins he could have the band. This is just a cash grab and is awful. Black flag has been dead since Detroit 1986
@@joegibel9944 Black Flag was/is Greg Ginn's vision. He wrote all the songs. Sure, others helped -- but Black Flag was what it was because of Greg Ginn. A true punk/social outcast who created a sanctuary in his creative expression.
I can’t believe this sad lineup of BF is headlining one of the stages at Hellfest in France this year. Watch the Live ‘84 show in SF w Kira, Stevenson & Rollins, when they were at peak power
Watch anything live of Black Flag up to 1986 and it's awesome. This however, is pathetically bad. Should be called "Ginn and Friends Butchering Old Tunes". Man, it's so bad I actually can't believe it's being tolerated by a paying audience. Or any audience for that matter.
@@hammeredwithhorror Nah, it was. I like Keith, but he's the Circle Jerks guy. That's where his best moments are, that's what his legacy is now. Ron has never been the best BF vocalist either, I don't hear much praise for him generally. Dez didn't even want to keep singing. Henry is an animal, he gave them their intensity. Before him they made pretty standard punk rock, after he joined, their sound massively shifted and got far more distinctive. Some people don't like their direction in 84-86, but that's Ginn's call, and for what's worth, I like their later stuff. Henry always put on a good show.
@@CKT1138 To each their own. I prefer Ron over Rollins any day of the week. Their best stuff was pre-Rollins so as I said to each their own. The early stuff was pure punk rock. I don't know what to call some of the later stuff with Rollins! Saw them with Rollins and it just wasn't what I was into.
i don’t give a shit about all these hate comments lmfaooo thank you for uploading this video me and my boyfriend are in it and it was one of the best nights of our lives. let us young punks have some fun no one gives a shit if they didn’t sound as good as they did when you saw them
I don't know what you used to record that, but the sound is fucking fire, it really feels that I am standing in front of the stage with the crowd, the bass is just *breathing* on me lol
Dude - even though the recording is FIRE - it still doesn't help stiff fingers ginn and his flappping turkey neck - it actually makes me crazy...I wanna go eat a bunch of ice cream and pass out
Look here all you Poseurs - I saw Black Flag back in the late 1960's when Greg Ginn was a kid in his garage playing Depression and Nervous Break down all by himself cause he didn't even have a band called Black Flag yet (Rollins was probably eating fun dip and drinking out of his sippy cup when I hung with Ginn in his garage)
Sure fripp still plays which is impressive too but when you think about it not many punk guitarist's still jam out on stage at the age of 72, that's why i find it impressive that gregg ginn can still play even if it's sloppy at time's
I like most of his playing from the old days, and some of this isn't half bad, however the lack of energy reveals how mindless and sloppy it is. I love noisy bullshit, but he can't even play the written riffs cleanly or on time, you can hear it really fucking with the other guys around 5:50. What happened to his other band Gone? New music is better than this rock and roll pantomime. Jealous Again here is embarassing, I think I could play it better by sight reading tab and I suck at guitar
@@CIA_Gnome_Patrol I agree. Should probably stick to rhythm because his leads are awful. You don’t notice it as much on the earlier, faster records but on My War and after it’s difficult to listen to. Funny thing, lots of people love his playing. To each their own I suppose!
@@chrisfuriusI'm one of those people, The Process of Weeding Out is probably my favorite Black Flag album, which puts his playing on display more than any other. But here it just sounds more like he's imitating his old self without really being able to do it anymore
I can hate the man and respect his creation. I begrudgingly admire the work he did, shame he's a total dickhead though, because if Greg was better than he is, the band probably would have been more stable and probably have a better reputation.
I guess Social security isn't paying greg enough. So he's gotta hobble out there. This is just Embarrassing. He's lose his ability to play. And mike should have stuck with Revolution Mother. 😖
Do you get GG allegedly ripped off every band and bandmate that ever made him or his label any money? It says a lot that no one he used to play with, promote, and release has anything nice to say about him or won’t reunite with him and that he sues people for trying.
Yeah, Saddly no. It’s Mike valley and 2 other ransoms. Although it is black flag it’s kinda like what Jerry only did to the misfits, except Greg ginn (thankfully) isn’t singing
In 80's black flag, minor threat, bad brain is introducted as hardcore band, yea its still cone from punk scene. but i still prefer say they are one of Pioneer hardcore
I loved Black Flag and the whole hc scene of new york. this is the saddest moment i could ever expect today... they look like a young band playing for the first time together. when is time, better to retire than do this kind of concert once old. each one is doing his own stuff, no glue, the drummer looks at himself, and he is not a good drummer. Black Flag have been the best band of NY during the HC times, but today is time to stop i believe
@@dudedude8931 can you read or did you go to school only to smoke in the toilets?? there is an "AND" that in grammar means this is an addiotion to the previuos word.
as one of hardcore pioneer, this is sound terrible, comparing with some punk stuff who come from same era like bad religion or the descendents, their live show recently still sound way better.
@@dudedude8931 great with what?? Is he a part of punk hardcore movement? Isn’t he just another Oprah sht talking head from TV who’s don’t make any change, no danger? Just another brick in your Anglo-Saxon system
Its like watching steve ignorant and his "crass" show...the songs were from a time in history and it's just a bit ..mmhhee..seeing an old punk rocker and a bunch of people who without fault just weren't part of it cosplay through some really cool 1980's punk tunes ...if Greg Ginn wasn't there its just a tribute band...whatever
Everyone except Ginn here is an employee..this is not a band as in a group of people creating anything new...just play the tunes and sing the lyrics and get back on the bus ..
Exactly, although to give some credit there have been some points where theve sounded good it’s just this most recent set of tours that sound like absolute dog shit
Been listening to Black Flag since 1987, and never saw them until 04/15/2023 in Hobart Indiana, and I gotta saw I had a GREAT time! Sorry people, singers leave bands and life goes on. Quit being a purist and let the nostalgia go, and go see them live. You'll have a great time too!
Ya but this is just Greg ginn and friends. Saw Rollins with mother superior do a flag show in 2003 it was cool but still not flag.
Closest thing we got was Flag with Bill Stevenson, Morris and Chuck. Too bad ginn stopped that.
@@joegibel9944Black Flag is Greg Ginn’s band. Greg has had almost complete total control of the band throughout all of its existence.
@@Braineaters8 he literally quit and told Rollins he could have the band. This is just a cash grab and is awful. Black flag has been dead since Detroit 1986
@@joegibel9944 Black Flag was/is Greg Ginn's vision. He wrote all the songs. Sure, others helped -- but Black Flag was what it was because of Greg Ginn. A true punk/social outcast who created a sanctuary in his creative expression.
@@frensunited3748 so you know he quit in 86 and told Rollins to continue it. Thats how important it was to him? Just a money grab now.
I can’t believe this sad lineup of BF is headlining one of the stages at Hellfest in France this year. Watch the Live ‘84 show in SF w Kira, Stevenson & Rollins, when they were at peak power
Watch anything live of Black Flag up to 1986 and it's awesome. This however, is pathetically bad. Should be called "Ginn and Friends Butchering Old Tunes". Man, it's so bad I actually can't believe it's being tolerated by a paying audience. Or any audience for that matter.
@@paull.6026 it’s true! Who are these people?!
Peak power wasn't with Rollins!
@@hammeredwithhorror Nah, it was. I like Keith, but he's the Circle Jerks guy. That's where his best moments are, that's what his legacy is now.
Ron has never been the best BF vocalist either, I don't hear much praise for him generally.
Dez didn't even want to keep singing.
Henry is an animal, he gave them their intensity. Before him they made pretty standard punk rock, after he joined, their sound massively shifted and got far more distinctive. Some people don't like their direction in 84-86, but that's Ginn's call, and for what's worth, I like their later stuff. Henry always put on a good show.
@@CKT1138 To each their own. I prefer Ron over Rollins any day of the week. Their best stuff was pre-Rollins so as I said to each their own. The early stuff was pure punk rock. I don't know what to call some of the later stuff with Rollins! Saw them with Rollins and it just wasn't what I was into.
Slip it in: 0:00
Jealous Again: 11:50
i don’t give a shit about all these hate comments lmfaooo thank you for uploading this video me and my boyfriend are in it and it was one of the best nights of our lives. let us young punks have some fun no one gives a shit if they didn’t sound as good as they did when you saw them
Shut up poser
Why would you be a punk nowadays? It means absolutely fucking nothing.
Saw them last night in Vancouver, it was a great show!!! Mike V was great on vokills! They were all killer!
I don't know what you used to record that, but the sound is fucking fire, it really feels that I am standing in front of the stage with the crowd, the bass is just *breathing* on me lol
Dude - even though the recording is FIRE - it still doesn't help stiff fingers ginn and his flappping turkey neck - it actually makes me crazy...I wanna go eat a bunch of ice cream and pass out
Is this Mike V?!
This sounds WAY better on PCP. Trust me.
He'll yeah I need to get wet
Look here all you Poseurs - I saw Black Flag back in the late 1960's when Greg Ginn was a kid in his garage playing Depression and Nervous Break down all by himself cause he didn't even have a band called Black Flag yet (Rollins was probably eating fun dip and drinking out of his sippy cup when I hung with Ginn in his garage)
ps. On Jealous Again...Some of the worst guitar playing I've ever heard in my life...However, that means that GINN was on fire !!
Some of the worst guitar playing and rhythm I've ever heard...it's quite amazing
So what..???
@@joepineapples9332 Exactly!! I said "so what?" when Rollins told me that he was starting his own band after Black Flag.
I think this is my favorite intro/solo of all time
Haha
my favorite is when black flag was actually black flag
@@skaface32 Or when it evolve into just Flag.
It's sad to behold...
I don’t think Ginn remembers how to play it.
Mike Vallely do a kick flip!!!!!
Hahahahaaa that's what I was thinking.
Wow.. WTF happened to Gregs guitar playing ability?
Ur old and boring ,,,,,
He got old bruh what do you expect from a 72 year old , if anything he's playing good for his age
@@Chem-Farmer_76robert fripp is older and still plays
Sure fripp still plays which is impressive too but when you think about it not many punk guitarist's still jam out on stage at the age of 72, that's why i find it impressive that gregg ginn can still play even if it's sloppy at time's
Still kicking ass.. I met them at Canyon Club.
just watched them live in San Jose, Costa Rica. It was fucking good!!!!
Embarrassing
Go back to 82...
FLAG
Ginn's playing sounds like farm animals being abused. This guy does not know his instrument and never will.
who cares? Its punk
@@virginiacoasterz7138 Not knowing how to play an instrument is punk? What a tired, old cliche'd thing to say.
I like most of his playing from the old days, and some of this isn't half bad, however the lack of energy reveals how mindless and sloppy it is. I love noisy bullshit, but he can't even play the written riffs cleanly or on time, you can hear it really fucking with the other guys around 5:50. What happened to his other band Gone? New music is better than this rock and roll pantomime. Jealous Again here is embarassing, I think I could play it better by sight reading tab and I suck at guitar
@@CIA_Gnome_Patrol I agree. Should probably stick to rhythm because his leads are awful. You don’t notice it as much on the earlier, faster records but on My War and after it’s difficult to listen to. Funny thing, lots of people love his playing. To each their own I suppose!
@@chrisfuriusI'm one of those people, The Process of Weeding Out is probably my favorite Black Flag album, which puts his playing on display more than any other. But here it just sounds more like he's imitating his old self without really being able to do it anymore
If Ginn practiced a bit and another guitar at lower levels was there to fill in the gaps it would be great.
Give ‘em a break he’s busy taking care of plants these days😂
I love Black flag but Ginn is fucking TERRIABLE!!
ROOTS PUNK ! Very Nice! 👊💪
The court case didn't pay off?
I almost feel bad for these guys.....the other musicians are trying but Ginn just isn't.
we want henry or keth up there or dez
Ron Reyes
@@cleberramone2573 him too
They should change thier name to White Flag and surrender. BF means ALOT to me, but this blows.
yeah but that names been taken since 1982
U blow buddy, seriously,lol... Ur corpsepaint looks soooooo cheesy, what a nerd
Thought this was one of those "shreds" satire videos for a minute. Talk about destroying your legacy. SMH
Mike v is having some fun
Hmmmm?
Yay! Karaoke Flag! Drinks on Greg G. and Mike V.
you guys hate greg ginn but lovvveeee the songs he wrote, say what u want but no greg ginn no black flag
Cause he absolutely has no idea how to play a guitar anymore that’s why most people hate him
Meh...
I can hate the man and respect his creation.
I begrudgingly admire the work he did, shame he's a total dickhead though, because if Greg was better than he is, the band probably would have been more stable and probably have a better reputation.
Rollins must be rolling his eyes.
Who is the vocalist?
Mike V
LOL
No Henry?
LOL
Tiery Henry, lol
I guess Social security isn't paying greg enough. So he's gotta hobble out there. This is just Embarrassing. He's lose his ability to play. And mike should have stuck with Revolution Mother. 😖
if this upsets you, you do not get it. ☮️
Its dogshit
Do you get GG allegedly ripped off every band and bandmate that ever made him or his label any money? It says a lot that no one he used to play with, promote, and release has anything nice to say about him or won’t reunite with him and that he sues people for trying.
@@ColeWheeler4Lyfe Black Flag is GG's band. He wrote all the songs.
@@ColeWheeler4Lyfe wym reunite bro died
lol. these lyrics in a 2023 lens, especially when shouted by old dudes. yikes!
I’m
he’s not even playing the bass part correctly:(
Still so relevant
A bit late on that guitar, Greg! Today!!
And early too, or perhaps he's playing multi-poly-rythmically like the cool kids. The rest of the band is playing in 4/4, but Greg's in 13/19.5
Los veo en el hell and heaven
Sad Flag !i!i
Your mom was sad yesterday
What a lame comment
Gay Flag
Not too great. What is GG doing? What’s going on with that rhythm section?
that’s not henry rollins ?
Yeah, Saddly no. It’s Mike valley and 2 other ransoms. Although it is black flag it’s kinda like what Jerry only did to the misfits, except Greg ginn (thankfully) isn’t singing
Rollins hasnt had anything to do with them since like 1986.
No! That’s your dad
Half arsed
Greg feels every fucking not
Feels it not being played well......
man ffs , it has a vibe. its not a good show , but not a bad neither. literally punk
In 80's black flag, minor threat, bad brain is introducted as hardcore band, yea its still cone from punk scene. but i still prefer say they are one of Pioneer hardcore
This fucking sucks, or at least Greg does. The worst young punk band in your city is probably better, more genuine at the very least
Man Greg ginn is one my favorite guiter player ever but today its just lost. pretty pathetic, bring back FLAG
Yikes, Greg Ginn is really bad at playing these songs now.....or incredibly high? Or both? This is just really sad.
No makeups, regular T-shirts, cheap sneakers, normal hairstyles, beer bellys, dirty long jeans and no fckng correct politics!
Old school.
Ginn is such a weirdo. But I like stone cold Steve Austin as lead over Henry
I prefer Keith, but stone cold is better than Henry, Henry took himself too seriously.
respect, but damn this is embarrassing
No doubt, buddy looks like he's ready to suck off the microphone,,,, U suck buddy, if u dont like punk rock go listen to classic rock
Sounds exactly the same as the past; they always sucked.
I loved Black Flag and the whole hc scene of new york. this is the saddest moment i could ever expect today... they look like a young band playing for the first time together. when is time, better to retire than do this kind of concert once old. each one is doing his own stuff, no glue, the drummer looks at himself, and he is not a good drummer. Black Flag have been the best band of NY during the HC times, but today is time to stop i believe
Can't agree more man...Ginn's playing is awful and a disgrace to his own past legacy. FLAG plays the songs so much better.
Black Flag aren't from New York!!!
Retire your mom from street
BF aren’t from NY ding dong 😂
@@dudedude8931 can you read or did you go to school only to smoke in the toilets?? there is an "AND" that in grammar means this is an addiotion to the previuos word.
This band has always sucked. I just viewed the video purposely to get a laugh. Oh boy. Nothing has changed
as one of hardcore pioneer, this is sound terrible, comparing with some punk stuff who come from same era like bad religion or the descendents, their live show recently still sound way better.
Bad Religion is garbage,,,, this stuff is great! Go listen to Rancid u nerd
Worst guitar playing I've ever heard...lol hey fantazzmo drummer
This song is too long
HR was only ever as cool as Bf he shoulda never let it end.
agreed.
He prefer make money on sht talk
@@andrzejpieta2827 his spoken word perdormances are very good, better than anything flag's doing nowadays
Rollins is still great. Y’all trip
@@dudedude8931 great with what?? Is he a part of punk hardcore movement? Isn’t he just another Oprah sht talking head from TV who’s don’t make any change, no danger? Just another brick in your Anglo-Saxon system
worse than Boomer classic rock bands at this point.
I say this as someone who loves Black Flag, every era. Fuck this, give me Flag!
Just sad sad sad
When I saw them a few months ago they slayed. Don’t let a video turn you off.
Seen better covers
No passion at all.
Sorry but the vocals are not good
That was terrible! Thank god Im not invested in cheap nostalgia.
Weak
This guitarist should banned from stages forever, are you kidding me....wtf
you mean the only original member? lol.
Its like watching steve ignorant and his "crass" show...the songs were from a time in history and it's just a bit ..mmhhee..seeing an old punk rocker and a bunch of people who without fault just weren't part of it cosplay through some really cool 1980's punk tunes ...if Greg Ginn wasn't there its just a tribute band...whatever
Everyone except Ginn here is an employee..this is not a band as in a group of people creating anything new...just play the tunes and sing the lyrics and get back on the bus ..
Horrible. FLAG.
This is Black Flag. FLAG is fuckin awesome because Greg isn't in it.
@@drunvert none of them are good cause HR isn't in either
@@piratesinmypants Henry sucks
Exactly, although to give some credit there have been some points where theve sounded good it’s just this most recent set of tours that sound like absolute dog shit
@@piratesinmypants I Mean Yes, but no. You’re right but Henry is also done with music so in terms of the next best thing, that is FLAG
Guitar player is a poser