Does GamersNexus Think The Desktop Is Dying?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- At Computex 2024 Adam got a chance to ask Steve from @GamersNexus whether or not he thinks the desktop is dying thanks to the new push for Arm on Windows.
*This video is sponsored by SilverStone. The Sugo 17 is a case that gives you crazy hardware flexibility in a compact package: www.silverstonetek.com/en/pro...
Watch this next: • Gear Seekers Explains ...
Subscribe to our PC hardware podcast The Full Nerd: • The Full Nerd
=============
Follow PCWorld!
Website: www.pcworld.com
X: www.x.com/pcworld
=============
Some links may contain affiliate links, which means if you buy something PCWorld may receive a small commission.
#computex2024 #pcgaming #pcbuilding - Наука та технологія
If you say "Steve from Gamers Nexus" three times in a mirror, Gordon will show up and shave Steve's head.
No no no, wait wait wait.
Bite your tongue. That hair is a national treasure.
@@mjsolomon Maybe in Canada. 👍
Wowowowow. Hold your horses, there. That kind of power is beyond us. Only AI can know this.
If it did happen, a wise man once said, "What happened, happened and could not have happened any other way."
"Will the Smartphone Replace the PC?" -article from PCWorld Feb 10, 2011
It has for someone. Not us nerds but my mom does all her stuff on the phone. And was recently helping a colleague of mine setting up he's phone as a wifi router.
@@cybernate9093 I bought my mom a tablet before she even had a smartphone (and did my best to teach her how to use it) to replace the PC build that I couldn't complete because of a fixed cat that still likes to pee on things... now she thinks that she is a genius and does not know what the hell she is saying when she tries to "teach" other people how to use their devices. The collective populace are spoon fed idiots.
Lol 2011. And same answer
It actually has for a lot of people. More people use a smartphone as their "daily" driver than a computer. Here's some statistics.
In mid-2023, it was estimated that almost 96% of the global digital population used a mobile device to connect to the internet
During the third quarter of 2023, users spent nearly 60% of their online time browsing the web from their mobile phones
In the United States, smartphone ownership surpassed ownership of all other computing devices, 84% of households had smartphones, while 78% owned a desktop or laptop3.
anecdotally, I am one of them. Aside from reporting for work and some bespoke x86 apps or Mac video editing, most of my world is on my 23 Ultra.
Personal desktop computers will never die.
The real problem for Windows ARM is all of the legacy programs on x86 beyond just games like TurboTax & Autocad. Will emulation have bugs that hamper work?
@@tringuyen7519 The real problem is that some media person actually brought this up as a topic. PC hardware just had the largest wave of REPLACEMENT than it's ever had, and it started with Zen 2 and has continued for a few years.
The PC is the most used compute device in homes.
Sales are going to be sluggish compared to that big wave of sales except maybe for GPUs. I'll expect another wave of replacements when Intel has Arrow Lake out on desktop IF it's a big improvement, or when AMD puts out Zen 6, which WILL be a big improvement over what people have in their homes (Zen 2/3 and Intel 10th - 14th gen).
This same topic went through different media channels from about 2013 - 2017, and then AMD put out Ryzen. They felt just because PC sales were down people weren't using a PC, funny thing though a PC can last a decade, at least on Linux.
Not completely. However I see laptops taking over the dominant spot for any one not needing top drawer performance. We're well past the 'good enough for most things' point in laptops and most folk lack the interest or will to do anything diy-ish.
As far as technology allows desktop to be more powerful than laptops, desktop can’t die
@@willy7968 True. However as laptops become more powerful we soon reach point where they do what 90% of user want from a computer, It'll be the folk who do serious gaming and compute intensive work (2d modeling, video editing, etc.) that keep to desktops. For most folk though casual gaming and internet use (e-mail, video watching, web browsing, social media, etc.) laptops are already more than enough. If all you need to do e-mail, and watch some Netflix many Chromebooks are quite adequate.
Personally I prefer desktops (have 3 atm) because I like building them and the customization and I do have several games that would stress most laptops. Not to mention almost zero battery worries (just a cmos battery, usually good for 3+years).
If desktop is dying then I will go with it. Will always use a desktop.
It won't die anytime soon. I think ARM will just find its way into DIY desktops sooner or later. And later later even RISC-V.
no everything soldered sucks, they just want to get everyone into plan Obsolescence @@kyoudaiken
Yes I'll go with desktop
Laptops are convenient. That's _literally_ the only thing they have going for them. They have worse performance, far higher prices, can't be repaired or upgraded, and you're far more limited in configuration options.
Laptops are for people that happen to use a computer once in a while for web use. Anyone that actually WORKS on a computer will always opt for a desktop, even if it's an OEM one from Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.
My career depends on desktop computing. I don't see any decrease in the workplace. You want to do REAL work, you use a desktop system running Windows.
Personal desktop computers life = 15 Yrs
Personal Laptop computers life = 5 Yrs
Cellphone Life = 3 yrs
That is highly dependent. For starters if you need a desktop, odds are you are also doing something heavy on it like gaming or work, in which case you probably need to upgrade every 4 years or so. I know i do with my gpu.
Also windows only really supports hardware for less than 10 years these days while macOS is around 6 with no way to upgrade to the latest version on both. So your only real choice for older systems is Linux which most users refuse to use.
As for cellphones, both google and Samsung offer 7 years these days and Apple offers 6, so the lifespan is pretty close to a desktop
What? My Pentium III desktop from 1999 was not a very useful computer in 2014.
@@mbvglider probably means the lifespan if purchased today in 2024
@@davidconsumerofmath Even so, there’s absolutely zero basis for assuming that desktops of today will keep up for the next 15 years. Desktops are relatively power hungry, space inefficient devices. These days, if you have one, chances are you need relative high performance. If you continue to need high performance, you’re lucky to get 5 years without upgrades, and after 5 years, that’s often long enough that you need to replace the CPU, motherboard, and memory all at once, and the drives are starting to reach their rated life, and if you replace all these things, at that point, it’s hard for me to say it’s even the same computer anymore. If your performance needs are low, there are plenty of people who have 2012 MacBooks, too. Laptops don’t just explode after 5 years.
My 2018 phone that has zero issues, disagrees with that, but I guess it didn't listen to the marketing from phone manufacturers.
I don't get it... Is the question "will desktop die?" or "will x86 die?"
Because I see no reason why there wouldn't be ARM desktops.
Right. Kinda a clickbate title.
I’ve yet to see any arm vendor even remotely interested in released or encouraging any diy system with socketed cpu. There will be aio and num apple mini type OEM boxes but I am sceptical of any kind of arm diy space.
The PC desktop has had auto-detection of devices and self configuration by the Windows or Linux OS. ARM suppliers have historically used ad hoc means and companies restricting information to monetize walled gardens.
You can see it in Android mobile phones where OS kernel updates soon cease as embedded devices lose support rapidly.
Apple's anti-repair practices also threaten a key part of the desktop PC.
@@gloriouscat-fishLoverx86 is the PC. ARM will not and will never be a DIY system for desktops (or laptops or anything else). But could ARM be in a desktop machine? Sold as a complete system and at a massive markup? It’s more likely than you think.
@@gloriouscat-fishLover socketed CPUs isn't a requirement
Well, I'm 60, and still have a ways to go (Theoretically) and have been using a desktop since my first 386 in the 80's, and you are going to have to pry my Arch Linux/KDE Plasma desktop PC out of my cold dead hands! My choice of OS and hardware are part of my "Dying with dignity" plan: You just can't get that using Microsoft/Windows or Apple products!
What will happen is your x86 will have a hardware failure and then you'll realise you can't replace it with another x86 cause they will have stopped selling them. They decide what your choices are, not you. It used to be that we were all free in the wild west, not anymore. Corporations have consolidated their power and are quickly realising they have all the power and don't need to accommodate us anymore because they already have the whole market captured. Look how quickly they cancelled windows 10 to force people to "complete their journey to windows 11" (corporate speak).
I use Windows 7 and guess what, no drivers for any of the current gen graphics cards and motherboards. If they don't want people using Windows 7, they will just exclude it from their end until you have no choice. They control what we use, not us.
I have a 2019 Android phone (Nokia) that of course supports 4G but the providers decided they aren't going to "support" my model anymore. THEY dictate what system you will be using. And THEY will decide what genetic material goes in your body at the next pandemic. Do you get it yet?
Linux offers hope because even if the owners of your distro go the same way, you always have the option of switching to another distro.
hell yeah
Arch already supports Arm brother....
@@lluchmartinez3586 😁
@@priyanshusharma1812 I never said it doesn't, and I know it does, but it's all about CONTEXT: This video is about "Arm Windows" as if both are what will draw people to handhelds with Arm processors, when in fact Linux has much better support for Arm, and has for quite a while now, and Windows is turning off ever more people who are fleeing to Linux. Now add to that that Arm handhelds with Windows, or even the much more resource efficient Linux are no match for a desktop PC in performance, the ability to upgrade them more, having multiple large monitors... I have a much more powerful x86 laptop than any arm one, and It's nowhere near the same experience as my desktop, and I only use it when I need portability, and you bet it runs Arch Linux with Plasma, and not that POS Windows!😁
there are rumors off X86 being dead since 2000. ARM is not new, is as old as x86 the only thing arm does better than x86 is energy efficiency an easier to develop compilers / "some OS's things". "X86" will only die if stop being updated. I have more faith in RISCV than ARM.
Contradicting yourself in your own statement haha
It's the enterprise space that keeps x86 alive, so they can continue to run the really old purpose built proprietary software created in house years ago. They value backwards compatibility more than they do energy efficiency.
I'm not sure what you mean by x86 being dead since 2000, BTW. In phones? Sure. But we're talking the desktop market here, and in that space, x86 is outselling RISC CPUs by a landslide.
ARM is not inherently more power efficient. It’s just that almost all ARM microarchitectures are mobile chips and therefore heavily optimized for efficiency.
The M2 Max in the Mac Pro has the same performance as in the Mac Book Pro, they just don’t scale well because they are mobile first chips.
@@xnitropunkx Where?
@@dtsdigitalden5023 Explain for me the benefits of arm compared to X86. The only reasonable thing about it for consumers are energy efficiency and where does energy matter most? Low powered devices with battery. Thats why the enterprise ARM chips for servers are not killing x86 servers servers need efficiency.
Steve trying to fill the Gordon shaped hole in his heart by doing interviews with any Techtuber he can find. Hopefully he'll get his Gordon fix sooner rather than later.
I wish the ad break was louder..
lol
yep, the sponsor said it all. :-D
2 words.... Thermal Constraints! Desktop will always have superior performance! Until they break physics.
2 other words, Power Constraints. Yes, you can power your desktop with higher power components, but do you really want or need to? It's sort of like saying V8 engines will always outperform V6 or 4-bangers. For the most part true, but you probably don't need a gas-guzzling V8 (or power-guzzling CPU) just to run down to the grocery store, or even just to everyday work. Desktops trade space and portability for power. Laptops trade power for portability and convenience. For me, right now, a laptop is a better choice. They are a bit more expensive (20-30%) but they are portable. Not being able to haul my laptop on a plane when I travel between 2 homes is a deal breaker. If I could build 2 desktops for the price of a laptop, I would consider it, but you're not going to build a comparable desktop for half the cost of a laptop.
@@tclark5481 a lot of people just want the best performance possible for gaming or other productivity stuff. along with just the amount of things you can do with making a desktop exactly how you want it, just a lot more options with desktop for customizing. laptops are really just for people that need something mobile or aren't really that big into the diy hobby.
@@tclark5481 Car analogy is a bad one. Telling people what they do or don't need in an automobile is cringe please stop.
@@POVwithRC No one is "telling" anyone what to buy. But I will tell you that the vast majority of car buyers do not buy cars based on what engine they have. Yes, some car enthusiast care just as some computer enthusiast care about what CPU goes into their computer. The point, that you missed, is that for a lot of things out there no one cares what's under the covers as long as the device, car, computer, TV whatever, does the job it was purchased for.
The car analogy is fine. It's a device just like a computer that has an engine (CPU), a transmission (GPU), a user interface, an audio system and more.
@@tclark5481 It really is the portable space that the lower powered (in terms of energy and muscle) thrives, where we prioritise battery life over performance. However, that's not the intention with a desktop system, where you have space and endless juice from the wall. What desktop and laptop users value are fairly different.
For me, as an Apple hater, I admit I only consider Macbooks for travel. But at home, it's beefy CPU, GPU and RAM, self-built all the way.
Edit: "Right tool for the right job" truly applies here, portability vs grunt.
If desktop dies I'll switch to racks
Been considering that for a while since I already have a rack stereo system
LOL
@@vgfxworks Why is that funny?...it's a viable solution
Because hunching over a 7" screen you have to hold, while trying to play a game with your thumb, is so much more comfortable then leaning back in an ergo chair, looking at a 32" screen you don't have to lift, while using a device (a mouse) that can actually click where you want it to.
The size may change, but the key is that we always have modular computers where we can swap out components.
If the headline has a question in it, the answer is always no.
Bettering Law of Headlines. It's wrong this time though.
Desktop is life, desktop is love.
I want power and I want to be able to modify and extend...and as long as the Desktop is the one that can serve all of that up...I will remain a desktop user. I don't even have a laptop...and I have not jumped on the mobile bandwagon, not for gaming or much of anything else. Now for norms and the masses, sure...Desktops are dead or dying...but who cares? It doesn't stop me from building and enjoying my own desktop PCs...and when it comes to gaming...you will have to pry the mouse and keyboard from my dead body.
same
Curious to see how desktop sales change over the next decade. Laptops already dominate the market in terms of unit sales, I wonder if that trend will continue or if this will stay more or less the same.
There is just so much you can do and so much flexibility with desktops. The problem with ARM is that a vast majority of software and some hardware would have to be completely redone to be optimized for ARM.
IF (VERY big IF) windows gets a good x86-64 translation-emulation layer such that enough people can run either and cannot easily tell the difference (IE their regular software just works on both) then some companies might compile specifically for windows on arm to gain a small advantage or marketing bullet point, etc. Then this could snowball and in 5-15 years this could snowball to x86-64 being a deprecated legacy platform, or better yet both platforms doing well and any given software most likely has a native version for both. NOT holding my breath, this sounds to much like the year of consumer desktop Linux, or practical fusion power or some such that's always just few years away. Though on the third hand, weirder things have happened.
Desktop Is Dying? i hear that 30 years now :P
As someone who turned their Raspberry Pi into a RISC OS PC, for me the desktop is the pinnacle of computing. Laptops cannot be opened, repaired and tinkered with. Ok, I'm old school, but why would I want a closed sourced box with a lid that acts like an expensive appliance with built in durability issues!
I think its correct that some are scared about ARM, but i think soon the desktop as we know it is going to be quite different.
So long as people spend their majority of time behind a Desktop at work it won't die as an appliance in the home because its use is familiar and you don't have to think about it. Any serious work can't be done on a small screen.
tou can plug a laptop into any sized screen, theyare fine for a lot of work nowadays but as pricey as a good desktop
Year of the Linux desktop 2024
Read by viewers on Windows desktops.
The year of linux, will be the year that devs all stop trying to make the best one, and join together to make the one to dethrone windows.
It's about a year since intel released documents proposing x86-S that drops legacy x86 compatibility. The "last x86" that intel mentioned could be true, but finally dropping inefficient legacy compatibility rather than a full switch to ARM.
desktop not dying, the market is expanding. More ppl have more computing devices than ever as well as the number of ppl who have them and that number will only continue to grow
Everybody gangsta untill arm infiltrates the desktop space
Desktops will not die. Desktops will evolve.
My son's Lenovo Core i5 laptop is 18 months old (thus out of warranty) and the keyboard developed a fault where the bottom row of keys stopped working. Went to get a quote to replace the keyboard "module" but found out the keyboard forms part of the laptop's entire outer casing and replacing it would take 4-6 weeks (as parts had to come from overseas) and would cost in excess of AUD$500. I was advised by the repair shop that it's not really worth doing... better to just buy a new laptop. I spilt a coffee on my desktop’s USB keyboard once and it completely failed so I went to the local shop and purchased a $20 replacement USB keyboard and was up and running again in 20 minutes. Hmmmmm is there a lesson to be learnt here?
I think ARM will just find its way into DIY desktops sooner or later. And later later even RISC-V.
I think all the cpu architecture will fill key areas with limited overlap for a long while.
Handheld and portable being battery efficiency while desktop is going to stay performance based. While mobile solutions are looking for a balance of both.
I have always built my own desktop PC. However, the price of motherboards have escalated in recent times - AM5 and Intel 5, 6 and 7 chipset series boards cost an arm and a leg. So I guess I will hang on to my old PC a little bit longer...
How I envision the future is a super powerful phone you can dock at any terminal and use it as a gaming system, work machine etc. I'm not really sure I would be down for that since I loath my phone but I would be down to give ARM a chance to take some of Intel and AMD's thunder, if I can run my games on it and replace my workstation and it performs better more power efficient I would switch.
For desktops to die, desks need to die. That isn't going to happen
It depends on the lifestyle or how people live. My brother gave me his desktop and bought a gaming laptop due to the nature of his work and home he moves a lot and a laptop is the most useful thing meanwhile I am doing work at home so a desktop is a better use for me. Also I want to build a dedicated desktop running gaming only in steamOS
Its not about whether desktop dies, but what does an ARM desktop world look like? ARM comes from mobile and doesn't play in the modular space that we're used to with desktops. What socket does a Qualcomm chip come in? Will we get ARM chip motherboards? Will all the old standards still apply like PCIe, DIMM/CAMM memory, power supplies, etc. Or will everything just be an SOC that's soldered on? How will any of this work?
5:00 Is that Asus peeking around the corner, talking smack about Steve? LOL
I like desktop for performance and repairability .
The pc desktop market is bigger than ever, and is growing year over year. If x86 is dying, it is definitely weird that it's, well, raking in billions for multiple companies lol.
im considering buying a rog ally and use it as a desktop on dock, because conventional desktops take way too much space, its not only the gabinet, its the whole setup, the table, the screen, the chair
and i dont need a notebook, i already have a phone to use social media
Desktop dying? All your niche portable PCs like the Steam Deck and others are "portable gaming consoles" and have high import taxes in most of the planet.
Those are too expensive for the perfomance...
I think many of you all do not understand. It is not about us switching away from desktops.. that would be absurd lol.. but think of how much even we use our phones for things we use to only be able to do on desktops. Now think about all the "normal people" what they need to do.. they do not need a desktop.. heck a arm laptop would do a great all around job for most normy things.. Desktop x86 will go the way of other specialized hardware and become more niche. The companies are going to develope for the most profitable and that today is AI, enterprise and mobile. When fab space is limited then companies are going to put their r&d into the chips that will give them their best ROI.. it has always been that way and will continue to go that way.. I think that is why GPU cards have just continued to stay obnoxiously high. Also consider this.....
x86 already has the name 86 in its name lol it will be 86'd before the decade is over lol.. All praise our AI and Arm overlords 🙏
This was fun! I could see desktop pc's evolving beyond x86, but there's too much demanding software and use cases out there for desktop as a category to die.
I hope desktop isn't dying. It's the only computing platform that doubles as an art form.
Also, it gives the most FLOPS/$.
seems like everyone forgot x86s. Desktop PC sales are still slow, but that's to be expected since everyone and their dog was trying to buy a new Desktop between 2020 and early 2022. Intel and AMD are still sitting on unsold inventory from 2022. It will take another year or two for sales to normalize because there will be more people that want to upgrade.
i see arm dominating the server segment if you can bring down the heat and power cost to server farms that is big money,all amd and intel needs to do to win on dekstop market is bring down cost and power usage to good enough
It's not bookless just less books. Its not paperless; its less paper. Its not desktop less; its less desktops.
Idk. I think I've been hearing this argument from 2005. Sure they might change with ARM and SOCs but not replaced
People have been saying the desktop is dying for literally 30 years, please cover a real topic.
Desktop will never dying for many many years until we die
the point of the desktop was to have room for powerful components... but with the prices of GPUs for example so absurdly out of proportion... it's obvious why so many give up on desktops...
People are excited for ARM because they expect it to be cheap and low power. But the announced prices prove Qualcomm has zero interest in offering cheap laptops, and once people realize you're going to be paying a premium for your apps to run slower, and early testing has shown they're just as power hungry when you ask it to do real work, I'm concerned ARM is going to flop, or at the very least fizzle once the novelty wears off and it's asked to really compete with X86 chips from Intel and AMD.
AI TOPs don't matter to the real consumer in the real world. Especially in thin and lights. We've still yet to see _ONE APP_ that's a must have and only get ones that perform parlor tricks. And they don't even do _that_ well. Anyone that's doing constant AI workloads isn't realistically doing it in the middle of the forest where they can't find a freaking plug for 8 hours straight. If they care about _real_ AI performance they're just going to get a laptop with a GPU and plug it in, or keep a real computer in the office. I just get the feeling these laptops are for people that don't exist but damn if they aren't selling them _hard_ trying to convince you that you need AI but for some reason only in a thin and light form factor.
Someone better inform Nvidia no one needs their Blackwell GPUs anymore. We have ARM processors!
it's also so weird and confusing whenever in marketing there is 'desktops are dead', like, you know the same technologies in mobile applications can be scaled up for desktops
For desktops to “die,” computer users per se will have to have given up on the best performance available at a “reasonable” price.
The chip architecture doesn’t matter. The issue is power draw and keeping the machine from overheating as well as having expansion/upgrade options. Desktops are built to handle heat better than consoles, laptops, handhelds, phones, tablets. They also provide more flexibility.
they've saying desktop is dying a decade I have 4 PCs all towers if they dying prices only get better for people the PC Master race.
I will say, besides playing PC games and video editing. I actually really enjoy using my docked phone in DEX mode. Theres something really cool about having a "system" that i pickup and take with me whenever i want and everything just works. Once mobile games realize the potential of not doing freemium micro transactions and we get proper video editing on arm, things will get very interesting.
What is indicative is that the young man asking the questions is more of a flailing of his arms than he truly understood what he wanted to ask. Many things were touched, mixed up, but nothing was said. This has been talked about for 20 years, probably as a current popular association. The desktop can never die, not only when it comes to the huge number of enthusiasts, gamers, who would never switch to any idiocy from a mobile platform, etc. It is an essential issue of technological evolution, if one platform allows you the highest possible performance, you go in that direction, even when you have enough of them, you will want more. People think of a desktop system exclusively as a PC on a table, I would extend this question to the widest segment, so I would include workstations, servers, supercomputers, data centers... I give examples as antagonism to mobile. Therefore, many forget that 95% of the raw computer power lies in this and that as such it represents the basis of the widest range of human activity, which for good and bad purposes, in the last instance every mobile platform in the hands of anyone in the world depends on "desktop " system. Even one day when the future brings the possibility of synergy between mobile and desktop in the form of raw power in some kind of "etheric quantum librium", which would surround the planet and provide the possibility of computing at any point in space at any time, we return to what was mentioned above, that there will have to be a stronger, supervisory system for all that, and that people want more than what mobility provides, that is almost an essential question of the necessity of constant superiority over "assistive mobile".
In general your description is exactly the way I feel about Adam. I can usually go 1 minute into any video he's in and have at LEAST 1 thing he's said that I find ridiculous, and in this case it's the entire video.
👍 Sir Adam and the NVP
It's been 20 that they keep saying "the desktop is dying".
I'm old enough to remember when the iPad was going to kill the desktop and the Laptop.
the ipad isn't going to kill nothing until they kill ipadOS and replace it with something that you can do more than watch videos on
It it dies, it dies.
Desktop is immortal. Because in near future notebook, which is sitting on a desk will be called a "desktop". 😂
Genius...
You swe, if you are industrious in using search engine you will find that there EXIST PCIE x8 external connectors and cables. Imagine. Yep, just imagine if the whole industry is beginning to cultivate it, or even extend it some more.
Many are still happy with a slot machine as a gaming console 😊
No, because soon you can "recall" every minute of it.
Mainframe and Terminals...
Cloud computing and mobile devices..
OMG same thing. 👀👀
Not. Even. Slightly. It is actually more likely that laptops will die. Mobile devices are becoming so capable, they can do everything a laptop can barring a large display and keyboard.
Laptops become obsolete so fast and are very expensive for what you get, but their performance is relatively poor vs even quite affordable desktops.
I see a future where you have really good ways to output to decent displays and using good peripherals that your mobile device makes laptops completely pointless. Then still having a desktop home pc for when you want more capability and dont care about mobility.
Relax, desktop will always be superior in performance and comfort of use while at desk.
I think that people do not really understand the thing with x86. There is nothing wrong with the instruction set. It just happens to be so that no one has produced a x86 SoC for PCs and laptops. Until now that Intel released their new laptop chips.
they said rgb was dead but look now.
Hearing about dying deskop since PS2 XD
The title should've been is x86 dying, not desktop. The discussion barely touched the topic lol. Steve questioned if ARM would be able to scale up in perf, and that's about it.
Personal desktops will not die. Maybe towers will fade away and get replaced with Mini-PCs.
Not necessarily. One of the major advantages of full-sized cases is heat dissipation. Small form factors have restrictive thermal properties. We'd first need CPUs and GPUs that perform as well, while generating far less heat.
I have always used a Desktop PC. Since 2020 I have used a gaming Laptop. Just this week I have put together a new Desktop with old case, psu, gpu. If you travel a lot laptop is the only solution. If you need a workstation, there is no replacement for Desktop. On the other hand if we get an ultimate miniature box with 4090 gpu and some 64 core cpu that has no thermal constraints than i am all for it. Btw. With my asus tuf a15 I have always made a compromise at some point in the name of portability.
servers are staying, we'll game on server hardware if theres no new consumer hardware around
Well arm is leading for consumer and desktops will probably remain on server side
My desktop PC is over 7 years old, and has 8-year-old tech in it. It still does everything as well as it needs to, or better--except gaming (and 3D-intensive work like Blender, I'm sure, but I don't delve into that). Point being, if gaming (and other 3D stuff) doesn't matter to the buyer, sure! Skinny laptops (ARM or otherwise), tablets and phones can fit the bill.
But, *gaming still matters* to many. Demanding 3D games aren't going away, so how can the hardware that makes them perform correctly go away anytime soon? Porting everything to ARM is no small feat either, even if ARM eventually manages to do the work of top-tier GPUs and X86 CPUs.
Discrete cards would need to fall behind before people will abandon their desktops
The future is arm86…… note how x86 is taking notes from soc integration and also arm is becoming more power hungry. Competitions is bringing new hybrids both sides.
Microsoft cannot figure out how to put the 5G modem into the surface pro they've had how many tries. So hoping Microsoft figure out ARM on windows is a pipe dream.
I would love ARM in a laptop, very much not in desktop
2024: the death of ...
conservative party
when it comes to compute,bigger is alwys bettter
Man, I heard that since the late 90's and it never materialized. I think PC as a platform was most "endangered" during the early 2000's when console gaming was at its peak with the Playstation 2 and PC gaming was at its lowest. There was a serious argument then for less powerful laptops or Macs/Macbooks for average tasks and consoles for gaming in the mainstream. PC gaming has come a long way since then and with most games coming to PC eventually it's easily the best jack of all trades if you can afford it. Also it still has the best backwards compatibility and overall software support, period. I don't think that ARM can beat that, especially the software support.
Well I don't know if it's dying or not but with hardware parts prices skyrocketing and with the shenanigans going on from hardware vendors when a problem arises I wouldn't be surprised if the desktop will die or at least will slow down.
everythng slows down eventually
I don't think desktops are switching to ARM anytime soon. Imagine how many games they would have to port, or at least properly emulate on ARM to incentivize gamers to switch. Laptops is another story. The vast majority of laptops are used for office-related things or productivity in general. Give me a quieter, reasonably fast laptop, which uses less power and I'm all in.
Linux on Snapdragon Elite X is going to take from Apple more so than X86!. NPU needs within X86 core blocks will change IGpu graphics. With Arm ISA, we might see AI accelerator boards on multiple PCIe 4 slots top reach hundreds of AI TOPS for sophisticated LLM models. It is something lacking on X86 desktops due to their focus on GPU and Nvme slots. If needed more pcie X4, x8 slots and potentially PIIX switches /bridges to extend slot density....
alotof us over 40 wont wont llm's on our p.c :)
All the hype around ARM is warranted, but honestly it's not like RISC is even necessary in the space. If anything, look at the explosion recently in x86 SBCs. Why give up more complex instructions if there's not really a return in speed or efficiency, like we saw previously with ARM.
and vhs won over betamax which was better tech
Ah.....what are y'all talking about?
When I know a channel has run out of topics to cover:
" xxxx says the desktop PC is dead"
The last time I heard this story was in the period of 2012 - 2017. And then AMD made Ryzen and the desktop once again became the primary compute device in most homes.
You all can stop making these stories. Desktop PC sales go in cycles and just because sales drop some that doesn't mean people aren't using them, it just means they're content using what they have, and isn't THAT a wonderful thing? That people can ACTUALLY BE CONTENT using what they have???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I buy new hardware about every 5 - 6 years and when I buy it's usually something where there's a lot of improvement and has the latest tech on the MBs so I know I'll be happy with it for years. And then I USE it for years, very content. I might replace a GPU after 3 years depending on my needs.
Laptops will be better but the enthusiast will still run a desktop, look at cars we have clean running evs depending on your source but still have race cars and diesel trucks
Well, I guess PCWorld is still doing click bait crap to get views. Back to my ignore list for you guys.
ARM is even more proprietary than x86 is, people need to stop coping changing to a mobile ISA is gonna magically revolutionize desktops CPUs. All it's gonna bring is trouble with legacy x86 code. Everytime apple goes and take a moronic decision it's being sold as the future wtf man. I still remember the 'PowerPC gonna take over everything' clowns.
Everything will eventually be obsolete, but normally by new technology not slightly improved technology.
Been hearing this for years...naw it wont
wayy back when IBM hit the wall in thermals apple saw the resolution by swapping to the intel cpus. The same thing is now happening only this time intel is taking ibm's place in the situation and arm is the solution that resets the heat/voltage issues. Desktop will always exist. desktop allows for larger scaled processors and maybe other optimizations that a laptop or other form factors can't take advantage due to size constrictions.
it has all happened before and will happen again.
Never!! How else do I play WoW 😊
If AI processing takes off, desktops will be around for a while ... or at least eGPU containers will be around. They can pack a lot of matrix processing hardware in a discrete GPU... maybe talking 10x vs these laptop AI chips. Or maybe eNPUs becomes a thing. I saw ASUS showing a rather large NUC box ... not sure what they were calling it ... with a discrete NVDA GPU. Maybe that's where desktops are going...
We'd probably never see OS support for it but, desktop PCs could have both ARM and x64 in a single machine, if there end up being advantages to both. Right now, though, battery life is the only place ARM actually has an advantage, and no one else seems able to match what Apple have done with their CPUs, making ARM a bit of a lame duck, repeatedly, on the Windows side.
Someone needs to Goole the 1994 Acorn RiscPC 😊
inflation has hit everyone hard we just going thru a dry spell with tech spending. PC gaming is not going anywhere.