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  • @ternemoy3689
    @ternemoy3689 8 місяців тому +355

    The 20 armor to the paratroopers only with the support company is very curious. It would be interesting to calculate how cost effective that support company would be

    • @pitedapollo6175
      @pitedapollo6175 8 місяців тому +24

      Probably to prevent paratrooper space marines

    • @guncolony
      @guncolony 8 місяців тому +25

      I think this is literally the un-nerfed armored recon, so literally brings back the old space marines.
      However you do need like 300 air XP to unlock this support company which means I don't think it's nearly as broken. Picking air force advisor as first pick barely gets you there in late 1939.

    • @bIuebuIIet
      @bIuebuIIet 8 місяців тому +5

      @@guncolony and 300 air xp for USA is near impossible prior to WW2

    • @sld1776
      @sld1776 5 місяців тому

      Very easy for Germany; send air volunteers to Spain and China.

  • @rbxless
    @rbxless 8 місяців тому +341

    Now THIS is how you add in a cool system. Anyway, I'm off to play Poland and make a 50-width pure infantry division with engineers and rangers to hold off the German and Soviet hordes.

    • @pixxalz9864
      @pixxalz9864 8 місяців тому

      how do i win as poland i never can

    • @ManueL-sd9jl
      @ManueL-sd9jl 8 місяців тому +24

      ​@@pixxalz9864one way some people try to cheese this is by releasing belarus which considerably reduces the front with ussr

    • @rbxless
      @rbxless 8 місяців тому +12

      @@pixxalz9864 Well if I'm gonna defend from the Soviets and Germans I'll go down the Sanation path for manpower and make some infantry with engineers and AA. You could also go down the Habsburg monarchist path and go to war early over the Sudetenland and try to cap Germany even before the Soviets declare

    • @salazar778
      @salazar778 8 місяців тому

      ​@@pixxalz9864it's very easy, just join the comintern, build forts on the German borders, make a lot of divisions

  • @Panzerfanlol
    @Panzerfanlol 8 місяців тому +57

    The entrenchment depending on how many battallions you have in a division is really good, this is gonna make the Soviets and anyone doing mass assault even more powerful when you combine it with their combat width bonuses

    • @aaronfalcon3152
      @aaronfalcon3152 8 місяців тому +3

      Soviets might actually be able to hold in MP.
      Hopefully lmao. The state of MP right now is that allies have to dday before barb just to try to give soviets more time.

  • @bwc153
    @bwc153 8 місяців тому +111

    Hopefully Hospital companies get changed on garrisons when they do this. right now Hospitals don't do anything to reduce casualties there, and since it adds equipment and manpower without affecting suppression, Hospitals actually INCREASE casualties on a garrison.

    • @killerlork
      @killerlork 8 місяців тому +65

      Why would you use field hospitals for garrisons? Garrisons represent the occupation forces who will have access to normal hospitals in the territories they're holding, trying to treat them in tents instead SHOULD cause more casualties

    • @rustyshackleford1465
      @rustyshackleford1465 8 місяців тому +34

      @@killerlork stop making so much sense

    • @aegeanharrier6648
      @aegeanharrier6648 8 місяців тому +1

      @@rustyshackleford1465 Never

    • @eclipse_434
      @eclipse_434 4 місяці тому

      I was thinking this earlier today as I bled out thousands of manpower to partisans

  • @MorshuArtsInc
    @MorshuArtsInc 8 місяців тому +109

    I think the amount of manpower and equipment used by support companies should also be proportional to the amount of companies/battalions in your template, to make adding support companies to smaller divisions more worthwhile. You want a nice little port guard with an engi company? Sure, it'll only cost you 30 mp and like 1 infantery equipment and 3 support equipment instead of the usual 300/10/30. BUT you won't get a huge buff from it.
    Likewise, an engi company in a 40 width division will cost way more, but will also give you a larger buff.

    • @melon_man_dan6888
      @melon_man_dan6888 8 місяців тому +9

      No. Comparing 8:05 and 8:10, it's 30 support equipment both times. But I think it should be implemented like that. For the company to have scaling benefits for a larger division, it needs to cost more equipment. 30 shovels can't dig the same number of fortifications per troop if you keep adding more infantrymen.

    • @toberca
      @toberca 8 місяців тому +1

      That would be with the old system when you could simply add as many regiments as you'd like.
      Now you have to earn that so that the structure of a division can escale up and its elements coordinate better. Efficiencies are a different multiplier than the number of shovels.

  • @jordansmith4040
    @jordansmith4040 8 місяців тому +132

    Pioneers are your bridging/assault support company. The Germans tended to have pioneer battalions in their armoured divisions.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac 8 місяців тому

      And then how are the engineers different from the pioneers? :)
      (I'm suchhh a civilian, lol)

    • @Azaqa
      @Azaqa 8 місяців тому +21

      @@MrNicoJac the engineers are cheaper and are more focused on giving entrenchment, while the pioneers are basically meant for your strong divisions (tanks, special forces etc) its already like that in some popular mods.

    • @lukeb1663
      @lukeb1663 8 місяців тому +2

      @@AzaqaI believe pioneers are also the people, historically, in possession of flamethrowers.

    • @haotatyan
      @haotatyan 8 місяців тому

      ​@@MrNicoJacin company of heroes they are engineers basically

    • @Azaqa
      @Azaqa 8 місяців тому

      @@lukeb1663 makes sense

  • @mrb3nz
    @mrb3nz 8 місяців тому +38

    stacking entrenchment has already been pretty good, I'm really scared of it going just insane. Imagine combining all of this with a defensive field marshal, the static warfare spirit and a guerilla tactics general. The amount of entrenchment will go off the charts. However... maybe this will finally kinda force the single player meta to be more historical? It's kinda stupid that right now you can just steamroll with artillery as if world war 1 trench warfare never happened

    • @christianthompson7915
      @christianthompson7915 8 місяців тому

      how do you even manage to do that in single player?

    • @animefarts1488
      @animefarts1488 8 місяців тому +1

      Manage to steamroll with artillery? Very easily, just doesn’t work on Germany

  • @Igor-xl4wz
    @Igor-xl4wz 8 місяців тому +15

    Super Heavy tanks have never been cost effective, even in RL. It’s why we have MBTs now.

  • @bIuebuIIet
    @bIuebuIIet 8 місяців тому +16

    Bruh armored recon paired with USA's tank destroyer designer of +25% hard attack lol

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 8 місяців тому

      That's a nice heavy tank division you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.

  • @st1ssl214
    @st1ssl214 8 місяців тому +28

    Seems ok, but I would love to just put a heavy pioneer or something like that in a division, just to have it hold the line but be unable to attack anything.

  • @stephenhartley2853
    @stephenhartley2853 8 місяців тому +5

    id like to see a stability debuff based on the amount of units with medic support companies. more units with medics means better stability and/or war support. would make medics useful even if it reduces combat effectiveness.

  • @quintomalley1196
    @quintomalley1196 8 місяців тому +2

    I usually only use armored cars for recon companies because they've got the highest base recon value. The armored car recon company gives you 2 recon right off the bat, and all of the other recon companies only give 1 or 1.5 recon value. I put cav recon in for mountaineers, cavalry divisions, and garrison/port guard divisions.

  • @nathanstruble2177
    @nathanstruble2177 8 місяців тому +3

    Feedback, stares at tab labelled "Elevate the Mountaineers". Also Feedback, I think this is soft Mountaineers, am I missing something?

  • @PikaPilot
    @PikaPilot 8 місяців тому +7

    Im a little disappointed that PDX has made all these changes and additions without increasing the amount of possible engineer companies you can attach or increasing the available army xp necessary to do special forces, the doctrine, tank designs, equipment improvements, template designing, etc.
    There's no army xp to spare for any of the cool SF stuff

    • @Arthion
      @Arthion 8 місяців тому +2

      I believe if I understood it right, Marines used NXP and Paras use Air XP rather than regular xp-

    • @holdenjanzen7029
      @holdenjanzen7029 8 місяців тому

      Just train your army

  • @carbonado2432
    @carbonado2432 8 місяців тому +3

    Military Police should give like +10 or +20 ORG, they can double as commisars **BACK TO THE FRONT**

  • @ivan5595
    @ivan5595 8 місяців тому +2

    Paradrop tanks/vehicles would be so cool. It isn't far fetched to believe that one can strip off some armor of existing equipment to make them paratrooper usable. Like the M22 Locust, or even something like the BMD series (an less advanced version of them perhaps)

  • @chrisskutnik56
    @chrisskutnik56 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for all the vids mate- you've got me back into this game after a few years off; wicked helpful!

  • @miguelrodriguezcimino1674
    @miguelrodriguezcimino1674 8 місяців тому +19

    Double engineers in a 40+ width division entrenched in a fort behind a river or in a mountain. Good luck breaking that line 😂
    Edit: forgot to add Static Warfare and Grand Battleplan 😅

    • @katrinapaton5283
      @katrinapaton5283 8 місяців тому

      Easy, surround it and move on. Been working remarkably well for the Ukrainians, you'll be forced to either retreat or die.

    • @aaronfalcon3152
      @aaronfalcon3152 8 місяців тому

      Stalin line will either be unbreakable or shatter instantly on the german assault equipped with pioneers, and there's no in-between.

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 6 місяців тому +2

      Pioneers don't give much of an entrenchment bonus and are incompatible with normal Engineers. They're a lot more specialised and niche. 😉

  • @b00bb0ss6
    @b00bb0ss6 8 місяців тому

    superheavy tanks as support brigade are cost effective on large divisions (40 with) if you max armor (bout 100 armor on infantry division)

  • @Nietmeg
    @Nietmeg 8 місяців тому +1

    watching the guessing of what each new thing is when the description at the top explains it is funny

  • @benchandler5809
    @benchandler5809 8 місяців тому +1

    If you throw an anti-aircraft gun in every infantry battalion, you can essentially hold air superiority with very few air divisions, actually on interception or air superiority

  • @joskarifinaukr6503
    @joskarifinaukr6503 8 місяців тому +10

    I hope the Pioneer company gets national flavor. The US has them, a naval unit. We call them "Construction Battalion," or Sea Bees.

    • @Jamesbrown-xi5ih
      @Jamesbrown-xi5ih 8 місяців тому +1

      Lot more than just the Seabees US has a whole number of different Pioneer and Engineering outfits.

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 8 місяців тому +1

      Nah, normal Engineer companies are if at all closer to construction units like the Seabees, Pioneers are more akin to UDT and specialised amphib assault engineers.

  • @TacticalBeard
    @TacticalBeard 8 місяців тому +2

    Seems like a good update from what I can see .
    Might seem small but I’m really exited to just simply get more historical tanks,planes etc from the new update

  • @quentintin1
    @quentintin1 8 місяців тому +2

    imo, they should rework support companies into two tiers
    -combat support companies
    -general support companies
    the combat support companies would be your recce, enginerds, artillery, etc...., these don't change and stay the same, with the same bonuses and maluses they always had
    now the general support companies, that would be the logi cny, the field hospitals, maintenance, radio...., for these, i would take a note from the naval research tree, where you have general modififers bonuses (damage control, colored shells,....) that you can research to improve your navy in small aspects, well here these companies would do the same, but for the army
    they give the same bonuses, but in contrast they don't take a support slot
    to counterbalance that, you could have that unlocking the company would add the same manpower and equipment requirement they would have to the line units, but divided by the total number o battalion slots
    so for example unlocking the radio support would give your line battalions the +20% initiative, but each battalion would then need an additional 10 manpower, 1 support equipment and 1 truck to simulate the battalion radio section
    my reasoning for that is that first, some of these companies are really underutilised, as they take up valuable company slots for bonuses that aren't all so when compared to other companies that would fit the same slot; secondly, in our real life, all units had some form of these general support services once the technology was available to the parent country

  • @themadmonarchist
    @themadmonarchist 8 місяців тому

    3:24 “can be adapted for airborne drop via heavy glider”
    Wonder what we will see out of gliders?
    Will there be light/medium/heavy variants?

  • @charlesswain554
    @charlesswain554 8 місяців тому +1

    Infantry and arty divisions with engineers, rangers/cavalry recon are gonna go insane

  • @Kenruli
    @Kenruli 8 місяців тому

    Double engineers meat shield wall lets goo. then get more entrenchment speed and stuff like that, then ofc going with Great battle plan doctrine.

  • @aleksandrmikhail3803
    @aleksandrmikhail3803 8 місяців тому +3

    yeah i wanna see if those light tank support will do anything behind enemy lines since tank division/regiment always get multiple debuff everytime when they had no supply around and you also cannot air drop fuel somehow....

  • @gabrieljuliano495
    @gabrieljuliano495 8 місяців тому

    Nice, new models for mountaineers

  • @barneycalhoun2773
    @barneycalhoun2773 8 місяців тому

    3:41 ish, I'd assume the pioneers would simply be to represent pioneer groups, for example those from ww2 german infantry division. Essentially separating the engineers (which I'd argue should be moreso like the repair company, though the two are not the same yet side by side) and these pioneers. I believe it was with the latter that things like mobile bridges were with, if not then the former.

    • @jerryudonneedtoknow3903
      @jerryudonneedtoknow3903 8 місяців тому

      The representation here by paradox is a complete disgusting disgrace.
      Combat Engineers and Pioneers are one and the same, this applies Sappers as well.
      Paradox is too stupid to understand different countries use different terms
      WW2 German Pioneers were almost entirely combat troops
      There were two types of Pioneers
      Combat Pioneers and Construction Pioneers, both are called pioneers but are distinctive by denoting if they are combat or construction troop.
      All Pioneers (Except the Infantry Pioneers) were organized into the Pionier-Bataillon
      A majority are combat pioneers for the front line as one of the primary tasks are to build up fortification, clear mines, and destroy bunker, destroy enemy tanks if Anti-Tank troop are unavailable, and many more task, most of which is likely to engage in combat.
      A smaller amount are solely construction troop that are not meant for combat, they have the primary purpose of building stuff like bridges, however unlike the combat troop, they are mainly to build stuff while NOT in combat. Since they are construction troop, they don't really do the mine clear or assault demolitions either.
      Paradox is too stupid and incompetent to make a proper engineer/pioneer/sapper unit
      Also the Infantry pioneers as mention before are just combat engineers organized in infantry regiment and not the pioneer battalion, there was only like a squad in an infantry regiment

  • @user-wo3yj6jm3l
    @user-wo3yj6jm3l 6 місяців тому

    Historically, the Red Army was pretty indecisive on whether to spread out tanks and give every division some small number of tanks (closer to WW1 tactics), or to use them all at once and do a mass attack with them (deep operations). They found out that the former didn't really work in the winter war, so they decided to use tanks to punch holes in the front line and break through with fast divisons, harassing the enemy's rear supply and communication, keeping the enemy from preparing proper defenses against the then all out push of the entire Red Army.
    So historically, having armored cars in your infantry is kinda historic, and since Russia can easily sacrifice manpower and has reduced combat width, you could make large infantry divisions with armored cars (they're not that expensive) and support artillery only and have this wall of high org/okay-ish soft attack divisions slowly push and pin the entire enemy, keeping them engaged with their high org while your tank divisions absolutely cursh them, or if you want to do a historic larp thing, have your motorized mots and mechs completely disrupt their supply lines.

  • @redbearz189
    @redbearz189 8 місяців тому

    2:29 i saw you got confused abaut this and i think why you can research all tree in one cuz its for 3 diffrent special force 1.mountain 2.marines 3. paratrooper its not like you research a navy or air or land doctorine its 3 in one maybe in futer they will add more special research tree so they will split off for now and this focus its not nesesary

  • @samuele9735
    @samuele9735 8 місяців тому +1

    Imagine playing the Soviet Union and sitting on a lv. 10 forts line behind a river and stack 50 width infantry-only with double engineers divisions and grand battleplan doctrine.
    Shit not even with nukes you're going to break that line

    • @aaronfalcon3152
      @aaronfalcon3152 8 місяців тому

      Na, logistics bombing will de-org the line. These changes will probably make soviets last until 43 without allied intervention, but I don't think this fundamentally changes that much except making mech soviets more playable.

  • @tomiprofi
    @tomiprofi 8 місяців тому +2

    This is all nice, but they also each costs 100 xp, which means then will be rivalling with the main doctorines. So this is more of a late game stuff.

  • @superior878
    @superior878 8 місяців тому

    Bro this game is like 10 years old and they're still adding and changing things. Just wild

  • @nineroad5301
    @nineroad5301 3 місяці тому

    Pioneers add Battalion Modifiers to Marines +5% Attack only

  • @deilusi
    @deilusi 8 місяців тому

    5:50 I wish we'll get mechanized engineer as well, that would be negating enemy entrenchment bonus.
    mines, barbed wire and trenches? Send the 25T armored bulldozer and demining half trucks.
    I would also slap field officer as support (maybe using armored cars/trucks as mobile radio/planning war room), and some good way to use armored cars, maybe something like motorized battalion that uses cars? IMHO cars should use a third of fuel for example compared to mechanized. Be balanced as something you go for when you are starved for gas, and you still need some armor. They should be earlier in tree, with something like converted civilian "armored" car as well.
    something like progression in the requirements would be awesome. I assume engineers for example start with shovels and basic backpacks. When you upgrade them to tier II engineers, they start using trucks (like 5 per support company?) and double the support equipment (like chemical protection suits, or barbed wire cutters stuff like that). On tier 3 they need 10 trucks 5 mechanized and 5 armored cars, and fewer people for example. Exchange bigger needs for greater strength, or even better tie it to doctrines as well. Like mass assault engineer unit having twice the manpower used, while mobile warfare giving them mechanized wheels.
    I wish doctrines affect support companies even more.
    like I assume superior firepower doctrine make support arty much slower, as they are heavy and loaded with ammo (unless combined with logistic company).
    I assume mass assault should nerf any non-attack support companies for example, while buffing soft attack on all of the attack ones.

  • @rebelsj2159
    @rebelsj2159 7 місяців тому

    Itll take balancing but this is cool. Finally choices when choosing support companies

    • @rebelsj2159
      @rebelsj2159 7 місяців тому

      I dont see the double entrenchment as too op. I think itll be good as defending doesnt have alot of options, itll require any aggressors to build actual tanks and or pushing arty divs plus air

  • @royearle1673
    @royearle1673 3 місяці тому

    I wonder if amphibious tanks and amtracks benefit from the marine doctrines as well?

  • @Forward1862
    @Forward1862 8 місяців тому +1

    I still don't see my 3x3 infantry with 1 arty main divisions at 21 width and my 42 width tank divisions changing, other than me stacking support companies and now the tank divisons break through even easier?

  • @KinoTechUSA69
    @KinoTechUSA69 8 місяців тому

    Exciting!

  • @user-wx1iv1fw3d
    @user-wx1iv1fw3d 8 місяців тому

    也就是所謂的支援部隊,變得對特定部隊更有效了,還算不錯吧

  • @anxiety8805
    @anxiety8805 7 місяців тому

    Would motorized artillery be considered line artillery? Curious as to the Calvary recon change

  • @sootstainedruby1439
    @sootstainedruby1439 8 місяців тому

    4:11 Mountaneers-Super-Ski-Dudes-Label LMAOOO

  • @fredericcote1577
    @fredericcote1577 8 місяців тому

    I don't know about stacking engeneer and Pioneer... pio are 40 support equip and enge are 30... that 70 support equipment that is huge

  • @makeromaniagreatagain9697
    @makeromaniagreatagain9697 8 місяців тому +5

    Breaking news: Paradox adds a fraction of the feautures present in mods.

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 8 місяців тому

      None of these features are in mods. And don't bother pointing me at some halfassed hackjob that a modder produced that's somewhat similar if you squint hard enough.

    • @makeromaniagreatagain9697
      @makeromaniagreatagain9697 8 місяців тому

      @@magni5648 Yes they are. There's plenty of mods that add new units or support companies. There even are mods that add new doctrines to the game, but I admit not with the focus on special forces.

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 8 місяців тому

      @@makeromaniagreatagain9697I just told you to not bother pointing me at halfassed facsimiles that require you to be half-blind or worse to see any real resemblance. Are you outright illiterate or just too lazy to read and comprehend?
      There's a stark difference between professional work and what modders hack together, and you have to be damn well wilfully blind to not see it.

  • @Vaelosh466
    @Vaelosh466 8 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if rangers will limit division speed to 4 km/h like super heavy companies would limit speed in the beta patch, so they would only be usable with infantry and heavy tanks.

    • @magni5648
      @magni5648 8 місяців тому

      They're a recon company, so most likely yes, they'll be slowing down any non-infantry division.
      Edit: They are the same speed as cavalry recon, turns out.

  • @haukikannel
    @haukikannel 8 місяців тому +2

    I think that they nerfed this before release and you have to chose to have pioneers or the engineers. Not both in the same…

  • @lordshaxx4693
    @lordshaxx4693 8 місяців тому

    Double engineers and support light tanks = Impirial Fists

  • @andrewstevens122
    @andrewstevens122 8 місяців тому

    Damn my first time at ground zero

  • @CARL_093
    @CARL_093 8 місяців тому +1

    Nc this will help my defensive gaming

  • @makebradengreatagain2091
    @makebradengreatagain2091 8 місяців тому +2

    My only wish, for the marine pioneers on the US, call em a Seabee support company 🙏

  • @matthewramos7605
    @matthewramos7605 8 місяців тому

    makes sense on the eng companies bc its one company per battalion so it makes sense

    • @jerryudonneedtoknow3903
      @jerryudonneedtoknow3903 8 місяців тому

      No...
      A WW2 army usually follows a Triangular army structure, though sometimes a square, this basically means 3 groups, example, 3 squads infantry squads in a platoon, 3 platoons in a company, 3 companies in a battalion, etc.
      That said, ALL WW2 armies with organic engineers (Organic referring to the engineers be a permanent part of the division) have a battalion of engineers, this battalion is then distributed amongst the Division, and assuming it is a triangular Division, there are 3 Infantry Regiments.
      Thus in practice, each Regiment would be supported by one company of engineers and shifted however it is needed.
      Every Infantry Battalion would be supported by a platoon of engineers
      It doesn't make sense
      An engineer support company never made sense because that such a small unit when the standard is a battalion, this change doesn't make sense either

    • @matthewramos7605
      @matthewramos7605 8 місяців тому

      @@jerryudonneedtoknow3903 think about it the engineer company is apart of the battalions of the division. They dont have Brigade assets in the game becuase everything is set up for divisions to show more CP you have to spread everything around It makes sense that they have it in every battalion because one company for one division is not real sae with recon

    • @jerryudonneedtoknow3903
      @jerryudonneedtoknow3903 8 місяців тому +1

      @@matthewramos7605 and one company per battalion is just as unrealistic as i company per division. If the organization had 9 infantry battalions, and each battalion had a company, the collective total for all engineer companies could effectively make 2 or 3 battalions worth of engineers, far more that division should have. No division is ever like this.
      As said before engineers are organized into battalions, dispersed in companies to support brigades/regiments which the game DOES have. Each column you can place battalion in is a regiment/brigade, there are 5 slots available, hoi4 even models the supply lines for it in which battalion at the top get equipment before ones at bottom
      Its always why your first unit determines which type of units you can use. If you put a tank battalion as the first unit, you can only use tanks afterwards as it is a armored regiment/brigade

    • @matthewramos7605
      @matthewramos7605 8 місяців тому

      @jerryudonneedtoknow3903 I'm talking about real life to game its not unrealistic we have 1 inf company 2 tank companies in real life 1 support and 1 for recon and headquarters they don't have a engineer company because they use a batallion for a brigade because they are more specialized and task specific. Some have a mix of the same but switch out inf for engineers and that's what we the US army have

    • @jerryudonneedtoknow3903
      @jerryudonneedtoknow3903 8 місяців тому

      @@matthewramos7605
      Firstly you comparing to modern standards with is very off putting, secondly, the modern standard has heavy mechanization and motorization integrated in for the troops, thirdly, modern times have a much larger capability for logistics.
      This is HOI4, WW2, Real life to game under ww2 standards.
      A battalion has many things, the infantry companies, its heavy weapons companies,
      In WW2 there are no organic engineer companies, at most would be a squad while most other engineers would be organic to the battalion.
      Germany for example had two engineers types in their Infantry Division.
      The Engineers organic to the Pioneer-Battalion (Who ware the black color shoulder tab specific to pioneers), and the Infantry engineers organic to the infantry Regiment (Who wore white colored shoulder tabs, the same as a basic infantry).
      There is a reason a squad is in a organized into a regiment
      Modern combat is far different, the scale in which it occurs is smaller. In WW2 a strong emphasis was placed on Regiments as they were the key unit, support elements were in battalion scale and could be divided if necessary, because of a lack of motorization and mechanization in every regard, marching was common, and their support needed to keep at pace. The regiment consisted of units that could keep up with each other to allow coordination with they supporting heavy weapons.
      Modern day is heavily mechanized and motorized, infantry can keep up with tanks, if each squad has their own vehicles, it pretty easy,
      If smaller units are slower, they could be easily wiped out, so bigger units are needed just because they are slower, there becomes more fire power available. With mass motorization and mechanization, it becomes pretty easy and quick for a small units to consolidate into a larger unit, so there is less of a worry there with smaller sizes
      IN addition, engineers were almost always motorized (organic trucks) for most WW2 armies, even when the Germans who were short on trucks, an infantry division marching on foot, the engineers would be given trucks to carry supplies and the engineers. The amount of trucks used if each battalion had a company of engineers would be absurd.
      Assuming its a triangular organization, 3 squads and a heavy weapons group in a platoon, 3 platoons and heavy weapons group in company. That can be around 28 trucks in a Company, and not including extra equipment and supply trucks as well as the baggage units. Apply that for every infantry battalion and that a lot of trucks, especially for ww2 standards.
      If there are 6 battalions of infantry in an entire division, that would be over 150+ trucks organically part of the engineers.
      Even the Americans in WW2 wouldn't be able to support this. While the US army was heavily motorized, all the truck the infantry used were detachments for the Quatermaster that had to effectively be shared around by the Division's infantry, they had far more than all nations and could get infantry moving quickly, but it was not like every squad had its own personal truck, that would be too many trucks.
      To add 150-300 trucks in a division solely for engineers companies for each (infantry) battalion (If you include recon, artillery, etc, thats way more). That would be absurd, only logical if applied to an actual fully motorized division.
      The engineers are split from battalion to company to support a regiment because the regiment is the main unit

  • @kellymcbright5456
    @kellymcbright5456 8 місяців тому

    Parachute forces are so strong yet. You can fool the ai. To make them even stronger - so much about "balance" :)

  • @mrr9636
    @mrr9636 8 місяців тому

    The first patch will be either a nerf to pioneers/engineers or will block us from having both on the same division

  • @chadholland9844
    @chadholland9844 8 місяців тому

    Release is gonna be so fun/broken, then patch adjusted hard for the first 5 emergency patches

  • @Ealdorman_of_Mercia
    @Ealdorman_of_Mercia 7 місяців тому

    i will spam cavalry like its 1066

  • @patricksimpson1157
    @patricksimpson1157 8 місяців тому +1

    Glad you realized how many times you said meta in the end there. That was going to be my original comment... Meta.

  • @ven7165
    @ven7165 8 місяців тому

    Cant i already paradrop tanks by using armored recon though?
    And not being able to use SH tanks as non-support i dislike. Let me make expensive tank divisions.

  • @eclipse_434
    @eclipse_434 4 місяці тому

    Too bad we didn't really get a decent support company from the airborne branch compared to rangers and pioneers which are absurdly strong.
    In retrospect, after playing around a bunch post AAT release, I think the airborne path needs to be redone into two left/right paths that focus more on buffing either land or air operations for airborne divisions. Maybe the support company for the airborne path could give us a company of commandos that function similar to radio companies but give better coordination, initiative, and breakthrough modifiers for elite shock infantry divisions that punch holes into enemy lines. The issue with paratrooper divisions is that they perform a very high-risk niche function that does not make investing into the airborne tree is not worth it as losing entire airborne divisions worth of manpower and equipment is too prohibitively wasteful. Paratroopers should also have cool and unique combat abilities and modifiers like the ability to steal enemy supplies, to work with resistance fighters, to infiltrate/exfiltrate from enemy lines, to extend supply ranges that goes through enemy units and lines, the ability to disband and embed into partisans if at risk of being overrun, to camouflage and go into hiding, temporary stat buffs for a few days/weeks after being dropped, etc. It is not really worth investing heavily into gimmicky paratroopers to do anything else than cheese victory points against AI if all the airborne divisions are just going to melt behind enemy lines and piss away manpower anyway.
    Also wish Paradox would've added infantry flamethrower support companies that gave solid bonuses for jungle, fort, and urban terrains. I feel like that's a super obvious no-brainer.

  • @SirAroace
    @SirAroace 8 місяців тому

    I wish they didn't DLC lock basic stuff like Armored Cars, I don't want to use the DLC spy system.

  • @randymarine
    @randymarine 8 місяців тому

    see I am new to HOI in the last year...I have been trying to learn the game for a while and every time I get a handle on most of the game they release a new one, or DLC, or expansion, and I get lost in the soup again...Problem with being old in a young person's world. this only pertains to the new Expansion correct? "Arms Against Tyranny"? Forgive my ignorance...I can't wait for the new Civ game to drop and go back to what I know!

  • @user-cg9pz6xo6d
    @user-cg9pz6xo6d 8 місяців тому

    I can image how the hoi4 broken when this DLC released

  • @fillipe4700
    @fillipe4700 8 місяців тому +1

    Even though I'm terrible at this game and often play less than 2 hours (shit OC dosent help either lol) and with cheats; I do enjoy HOI4 and its content creators, and this new DLC seems promising.
    Anyways, thanks for the video!

  • @francescoduggento6981
    @francescoduggento6981 8 місяців тому

    I hope they buff the recon companies further and also rebalance the maintenance and signal companies so that they become useful.

    • @Jamesbrown-xi5ih
      @Jamesbrown-xi5ih 8 місяців тому

      While they're at it, I hope they buff cavalry.
      If you're giving the same new equipment and doctrines to everybody, why would they get less benefit from it than everybody else?

  • @commissarkordoshky219
    @commissarkordoshky219 8 місяців тому

    Pausing at 3:46 I am reading that the support pioneers companies give "minus 25% Marine special forces cap Contribution". Does this mean you'll always want to equip these companies to make MORE marine divisions?

    • @vincentregler1424
      @vincentregler1424 8 місяців тому

      that would be a bit broken i guess

    • @Knoten385
      @Knoten385 8 місяців тому +3

      thats a passive bonus from the doctrine alone it will be applied regardless of having pioneers in your division

  • @hegartfamily543
    @hegartfamily543 8 місяців тому

    hey, quick question do I need the DLC for these changes?

    • @haukikannel
      @haukikannel 8 місяців тому

      Some… definitely. Basic support companies will get these updates, but those new support companies… You most likely need DLC. Just like you get updates free to basic focus trees, but alternate history is allways DLC stuff.

  • @Madmanof
    @Madmanof 8 місяців тому +1

    Yay! Finally I'll be able to make 50 width armored airdroppable super ski dudes as a releasable African minor nation to successfully naval invade an Asian jungle island with level 10 naval fort stacked with masses of lategame Allied double-engineer cannon fodder.😊

  • @ironbloodxiii
    @ironbloodxiii 8 місяців тому

    Gonna miss my superheavy only Germany bullshit game...

  • @CasualGamingDad187
    @CasualGamingDad187 8 місяців тому

    IT’S THE NEW META!

  • @vincebrannon3353
    @vincebrannon3353 8 місяців тому

    since when does movable (dynamic) mean good :D

  • @NicolasAftias
    @NicolasAftias 8 місяців тому

    Well i guess u can only do naval invasion to be able to Invade Greece now

  • @whats_the_god_damn_point
    @whats_the_god_damn_point 8 місяців тому

    is that gonna be on no step back?

  • @cullen6138
    @cullen6138 8 місяців тому +1

    Engineer nerf seems like a nerf to minor counties with less manpower because they can’t feel bigger companies?

  • @JCRS2
    @JCRS2 8 місяців тому

    Every change - feedback just be like "that's the meta guys"

  • @andrymiolakolaka
    @andrymiolakolaka 8 місяців тому

    from 3 minutes to 12

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 8 місяців тому

    Double the shovels - double the trench depth. Modern war shows that this is actually worth it

  • @Makem12
    @Makem12 8 місяців тому +1

    Spreadsheet meta is only fun for the first 10 games or so. Then it gets boring. I need more excitement!

  • @novitrix9671
    @novitrix9671 8 місяців тому +1

    So PDX really going to add MORE support companies and keep slots railroaded to 5 cap, with no ability to increase with army xp!!!?!?!?
    We ought to have better standards for the dlc in our games so that each is more adequately fleshed out, thus preventing the need for too many 'patch work' dlcs.

  • @JFKennedy63
    @JFKennedy63 8 місяців тому +1

    14/4 meta back 🤑🤑🤑

  • @jozopako
    @jozopako 8 місяців тому +1

    I just hope they will nerf air, 35% from fighters and 25% from CAS is massive. You literally don´t need tanks when air can give you massive 60% bonus.

    • @maxsk9074
      @maxsk9074 8 місяців тому

      imagine sitting in the open, not entrenched and having several 100 enemy fighters and CAS over you. is it actually that absurd? again, no forest, no hills, no mountains.
      i dont know about the interaction between air and entrenchement. i think there should be one. would be very realistic

    • @AhmedAli-of4jy
      @AhmedAli-of4jy 8 місяців тому

      ​​@@maxsk9074
      It probably would be more effective to indirectly nerf them by impower the anti-air units.

    • @maxsk9074
      @maxsk9074 8 місяців тому

      @@AhmedAli-of4jy yes and no. anti air should not counter air under all conditions. i guess aa should scale more at the same time as air numbers tend to go out of hand. aa had a massive improvement during the war

    • @thelordofcringe
      @thelordofcringe 8 місяців тому

      ​​@@maxsk9074the allies never fought against competent AA. Germany had the technology but was hilariously bad at actually utilizing it. It goes hand in hand with how bad the luftwaffe performed against the army. It wasn't that they were necessarily bad; cas wasn't terrible against soviets. But facing the average US or British AA detachments in 44 and onward was basically a guaranteed death sentence.

  • @Dynioglowy1986
    @Dynioglowy1986 8 місяців тому

    airborne tanks dont change anything cuz 90% mp games ban paratroopers and bombers lol

  • @yurimoeshevik4871
    @yurimoeshevik4871 8 місяців тому

    hospital finally useful?

    • @haukikannel
      @haukikannel 8 місяців тому +1

      At least they will be much better than before!
      And field hospitals should! They were essesntial part of every company!

    • @KonstantinKonstantinovic-xf3qt
      @KonstantinKonstantinovic-xf3qt 8 місяців тому

      Imagine not getting field hospitals in SP for the moral superiority (and extreme casualty differences against your enemies)

  • @50043211
    @50043211 7 місяців тому

    There was a lot of moaning going on. I did not know when I clicked on this that it would be this kind of video. 😳

  • @Real-qk6pm
    @Real-qk6pm 8 місяців тому

    Hmm they may have overdone this on some of those scaling bonuses

    • @haukikannel
      @haukikannel 8 місяців тому

      We allways see rebalancing updates after each DLC release… so…

  • @jooksin6244
    @jooksin6244 8 місяців тому +2

    The fact they won’t add the 8 support companies from most mods is dumb af

  • @grinsikleinpo7
    @grinsikleinpo7 8 місяців тому +3

    If you're already having someone else do an introduction to the topic, it would be nice and certainly easier to follow if you didn't keep interrupting the other person. This is unattractive, bad style and simply unprofessional.
    If you really want to make your own comments, then make your own introduction to the topic, you don't have a stupid voice in the background.

    • @haotatyan
      @haotatyan 8 місяців тому

      Are you joking?

    • @grinsikleinpo7
      @grinsikleinpo7 8 місяців тому

      @@haotatyan Sorry, i am old and german. I don't know how to joke. :)
      And yes, it's bad style to interrupt a narrator. Sorry about it.

    • @haotatyan
      @haotatyan 8 місяців тому

      @@grinsikleinpo7 no it isnt but i guess its preferance

    • @grinsikleinpo7
      @grinsikleinpo7 8 місяців тому

      @@haotatyan yes that is it.

    • @ww2and1
      @ww2and1 8 місяців тому

      This is dumb. Its not unattractive, bad style and simply unprofessional. If you don't want his comments simply go to the video its self. This is not sniperwolf content. It is to simplify and to show his excitement. This is an unneeded comment to make. This would not in anyway be entertaining to just watch him sit there in silence.

  • @vincentregler1424
    @vincentregler1424 8 місяців тому

    at first they havent changed a thing but now paradox treated the companies a bit too much, especially the double engineer (in my opinion)
    EDIT: maybe they could have added the dfensive buffs only to Grand Battleplan, so it fits into the scheme and buffs the doctrine

    • @maxii2975
      @maxii2975 8 місяців тому

      makes it more historical, now you really need tankarmies to get anywhere

  • @sergeyk9060
    @sergeyk9060 8 місяців тому

    First

  • @ronswearingen552
    @ronswearingen552 8 місяців тому

    Ugh, more micromanagement that will probably help the axis even more.

  • @Septimus_ii
    @Septimus_ii 8 місяців тому

    Why should MP be useful in a combat division? That seems like a really strange change to me

  • @carbonado2432
    @carbonado2432 8 місяців тому +1

    I want SIDECAR-Motorcycle support company! Heil!

  • @mesterb8624
    @mesterb8624 8 місяців тому

    Me spending my whole year safe (250$) to buy all dlcs : Im not spending a single dollar one this game ever again
    PDX lunching a new game changing dlc..
    Me : hey dad can i borrow money for umm... engeniering project ?

    • @daniluzmuhametov584
      @daniluzmuhametov584 8 місяців тому

      пфф, torrent. И потом мне игра со всеми дополнениями стоила меньше 30 долларов, некторые я брал со скидкой. Новое дополнение будет стоить еще 5 баксов.

  • @joncheek7063
    @joncheek7063 8 місяців тому

    I see if you have both shovels and the new pioneers it cost 70 support equipment which is more than double than the usual shovels. Its going to be hard to equip all units with that enless your a major. You will have to double the amount if mils you normally use for support which can be very pricey. Also the other new support companies will be using support equipment as well. We will need to see the game to determine if its broken. Its kind of negative to be saying its broken before you get to try it. Good video though.