It's like she watched a Captain Flowers casting highlights video and decided to make her whole style just the jokes and puns without the rap god play by play
That’s always the impression I got too. It’s like she’s trying to be colorful with her wording the way captain flowers is but she hasn’t gotten the basic play by play down yet. I try not to hate on letigress cause she gets an incredible amount of hate already, but the longer she’s around the harder it is to just give her a pass. She’s got a weird personality, she does goofy voices that come off more cringe then funny, and she doesn’t seem to have the game knowledge needed to cast.
@@Suge67 He's not my favourite caster (SO NOT LITERALLY NUMBER 1 THAT'S ALL THAT MEANS) but if you don't rate him at all idk what you're doing. He has a great voice, great pacing, knows how to build hype during a fight and works well in every combo I've seen him in
@@mrhefe2322 But LCS does this a lot more than LEC casters. And that's when it gets cringey to watch league. Sure, it might've been great in other games but in league i don't think so.
@@shanks2058 I think Dom's response was appropiate. It's not the worst casting, but it has major flaws and he pointed them out whilst also explaining how it should be done. He criticized her casting without falling into dumb incel commentary on her person.
@@TheSquirrelbeast as a professional caster I think this is ridiculously low quality casting. League players are spiteful and spoiled so of course they will hate on a bad caster like they hate on underperforming players and streamers. No idea where you get incel from.
Loved how Dom described this… I’m not always paying 100% attention to the stream, so it’s frustrating to not know what’s going on based off of the play-by-play…
Same. I have a family to take care of, and can't be glued to a screen as much, especially when I'm already glued to a screen for work. I actually rely on play by play since I can't actually watch half the game or so.
I'm glad costreams exist because she leaves you completely in the dark if you're just listening to the games while doing chores/work. I've never felt this way with any other caster and it's an actual joke if she's still doing play by play next season. Just put her back in the interviewer role which she was fine at. 🤷♂
I don’t envy anyone who tries play by play. It requires a lot of game knowledge and an ability to immediately assess the situation and articulate it in a coherent way. It’s not easy. Imo a good play by play should almost allow you to close your eyes and picture what is happening without seeing it. Great play by play can do that and also be colorful and not sound repetitive. It’s what makes captain flowers so good. I’ve tried to be patient with letigress, it’s a hard job and if you look at chat for 2 seconds you’ll see an insane amount of hate any time she appears or says a word. So I try not to pile on. But she’s been doing it for awhile now and she hasn’t gotten any better. She tries to be colorful and use interesting phrasing but it usually leaves her stumbling over her words. You can tell she often has 2 separate sentences in her head and will often combine them in an awkward way accidentally. She does goofy voices that come of more cringe then funny….. I don’t like hating on her but she really just struggles sometimes. Personally if it’s not Azael and Flowers I’d rather just turn the volume down. Lol
"Game Knowledge" then you see Flowers saying he's an idiot about the game... or Quickshot who doesn't even play or understand the game. Game Knowledge is not truly needed to be a good caster. You can be a caster without nothing else than the basic about the sport. What is important is understand your tone and pace. You can't be going to 100 on every play... you can't start shouting at the very start of the fights. You need to know to read the moment and throw out words on a way that makes senses.People like to point out "Oh. Need better Knowledge" when we got at lot and i said at lot casters who clearly non know anything about the game. That's why you got a color caster who cover that aspect. As PbP you just make people hype and shout what is happening on a why people can understand it without having to be looking directly. She doesn't do this at all. She never be able to do this. Describe what is happening on present, instead of "Thigns happened. Now i'm gonna describe it". Like she's 2 step behind. LT casting doesn't lack knowledge about the game. heck she knows the skills names better than at lot of the caster, but she need to stop with the rhymes. She need to manage her pacing better. She need to find a consistent voice instead of going up and down with grunt voice, cheesy voice, soft voices, cute voices,farmer voices. She need stick to just one so is easier for the one listering and to react to what is happening not to described what just happened seconds after
Captainflowers is master+ for like 8 seasons straight my guy? He makes jokes about not understanding the game because he’s just a skarner one trick but very clearly does.
The casters job is to keep the confusing parts understandable and the boring parts entertaining. Artosis and Tastless casting SC2 are perfect examples of this.
Starcraft is different , the play by play side is easier , because action in fights is much more understandable and readable. The macro side is however quite a lot deeper. And to date tastosis is the best caster duo of all time. ITs like comparing mr olympia to your local gym meatheads
@@ivanjelenic5627 What's opposite? The fights (play by play) are extremely slow compared to League. In league there are 10 different people doing separate actions. Try naming at least 1 skill thrown out , per player. You can't. Meanwhile in starcraft you have usually 1 type of unit doing 1 thing. LIng baneling , storms and EMP's are some of the fastest things that can happen and it's increadibly clear when it's happening and WHY it's happening. In contrast the minute inticracies of the proper timing and taking gas , bases , timed pushes , positioning and general tactical theory most people have Increadibly surface level understanding of. A lot of macro decisions manifest 2-3 minutes in the future in starcraft and average viewer, does not understand it. I used to teach 10 silver scrubs (aka. your typical players) I have a pretty good idea how they viewed tournaments.
Dom doesn't have the pressure of following the action continuously through the play, and he knows it, which is why he's not being dumb and claiming he knows he'd be a better caster without practice.
I think she needs some time in academy to get better and up her casting chops. This definitely felt like her worst casting, I normally don't mind her but here she just sounded tired.
@@bingobongo496 Hysterics, Oisin and Munchables are also all really good, also Dagda is doing amazingly in LEC after his time on the LPL english broadcast, there is just too much talent in the LPL english broadcast team
A shout caster has one main job and its to quickly convey the most important pieces of informations, often the information that is easily missed by the average viewers. When most leagues hire casters, they want to see you having casted before, doesn't even have to be the same game because just knowing whats going on in a game is the first and most important step to play by play. I hate saying that a woman only got her job because shes a woman because that isnt even the case, you cannot convince me that she is one of the best female casters out there, even the valorant tier 2 na female caster (no idea what her name is) is better than this and she isnt that great herself either. There must be women out there who are decent at casting, why hire someone who isnt. There isnt even an argument about money to be made, there is no way that hiring her is much cheaper than any other female caster. I think its really good to integrate more women in to a broadcast but not if its at a cost of the viewing experience, there are of course bad hires that are men as well but they feel more like bad scouting instead of just grabbing the first woman available. Theres just no world where you could convince me that women can get good at literally every other job in esports production apart from casting, do some sort of scouting, there must be people available out there. Kitty for the lpl is a good example of a very decent caster, she might not be as good as the best of the best but if you put her next to someone like flowers or drakos, she would bring her own value to the cast and wouldn't ruin the experience at all. When LeTigress casts i just turn the sound off, she managed to not only be bad at keeping track of whats going on in the game, shes also bad at casting itself, the words she uses and what words she puts emphasis on, you dont have time to speak slowly in the middle of a big fight, thats the kind of thing you do when the fight is dying out and nothing is really happening anymore, you should copy the pace of the game when shout casting.
just let her cast academy to get her rounds in she's clearly not ready yet markz who's a solid caster had to go through casting academy to get spots on the main broadcast
Mark's been in and around for ever I feel like they took SO much time with Mark to finally let him in on the main broadcast and it's not like he's a perfect product either. It's disrespectful to the audience and honestly LeTigress to put her in this position she's being setup to look like shit.
MarkZ casted Academy because he wanted to be doing it because he enjoy Academy. He was just too lazy to cast on LCS, but for some reason he found energy to cast on the LCS this season
@@pedrolonga8070 I dont understand where this 5 years number came from, she is still new to league, iirc she won a caster reality TV show made by Hi-Rez (makers of smite and Paladins) Unless she has done way more than I know I dont know where the 5 years came from
It's just annoying that she's doing this on the main LCS broadcast while Academy has much better casters. Every academy caster they've brought in has done so much better on the main broadcast than her. Why does she keep getting more and more shots every week when she's not improving? Bring in the ones who've been grinding for years to cast.
@@mescellaneous But giving them time to overcome the so-called patriarchy doesn't mean you throw them on the main cast time after time when nobody fucking likes her AND there are better casters in Academy. It's sexist to have her fail upwards if anything.
On the flip side, I’ve enjoyed Mark’s casting this year. I feel like he’s really improved over the last year. I know he’s not the most exciting or hype color caster, but I feel like he always offers solid analysis and I appreciate his dry humor. I think if he casted more with solid PBP people like Flowers he’d shine more.
Expecting her to suddenly improve her play by play accuracy, her pace, voice control, and cutting out the excess is like expecting a NFL QB with poor arm strength/accuracy, bad footwork, and poor reading of the defense to suddenly become an all-pro the next season. There are too many problems to fix and management need to get real and find a replacement.
at this point its been so long of everyone having a negative opinion of her and absolutely nothing changing, that I think we just get to deal with it forever lmao
I think it doesn't help that she's (currently, maybe it'll change) not as good as the other casters and the gap is massive. It's like in Starcraft 2 Artosis and Tasteless were objectively the best casters and people wanted them to cast every tournament and every finals.
I’ve said time and time again the sign of a good play by play caster is when I can visualise all of the action without watching the video - like when I’m walking around doing housework and just have my headphones on to follow the game. Some casters give me a crystal clear mental picture, and even in teamfights when it gets super chaotic you’re still getting all the key moments
Personally I don’t usually watch the LCS I put it on another monitor and listen to it while I play through some other games. I usually don’t have a problem with any of the casters, some like ender(lec) make it hard to understand the game because he likes to make a lot of jokes, but the duos are fun to listen too. With her, I simply have no clue what’s actually going in in the game. Feels like she’s talking in past tense, other commentators reacting to a play and she hasn’t even gotta there yet.
That was actually a great point, most of the casters are good enough that I don’t actually watch most LCS games, I listen to them like a baseball game on the radio type thing, but when I hear Letigress I just hear her corny ass jokes lol
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who notices this. It’s so painful and literally makes me not want to watch the games she “casts”. I’ve stated in other comments I rely on the cast to understand what’s happening because sometimes I cannot actively watch but only listen; but when I listen to her I cannot visualize what’s going on in the game.
@@ChanoQlo Cus 90% of woman in esports are horrible at thier job cus lack of gameknowledge and carimsma, only bieng hired becuase of diveristy wokeness
@@ChanoQlo Incel mean involuntarily celibate. That denotes an element of not having a choice in the matter. And your conclusion from that, is the people criticizing this woman are that, and not the people bending over backwards to justify her lack of ability? Boy, I wonder which one of us is more concerned with pleasing the opposite sex. Real galaxy brain take, kid.
I came in to the stream yesterday and saw all the hate and I was confused. Glad you posted this and shed light into the situation. I can understand why people dislike her now
I really appreciate Dom staying on topic and pointing out what exactly made the casting bad and how it could have been better, instead of just memeing or making jokes about it. Constructive feedback is super important when pointing out mistakes, so that people can improve. Esp appreciated him pointing out the lack of a summary at the end of the fight, bc it's a super important part of casting that sometimes gets overlooked when talking about whether casting is good or bad. Even if the fight itself is narrated perfectly, if you're just listening it can be hard to remember who exactly got what. I only recently started paying attentiont to the quality of casting, but you'll notice for example Flowers at the end of a fight gives a short but informative summary, which for this fight would be something like "two kills on each side, but CLG secures the dragon and denies C9 soul point." Which then gives the color caster a perfect opening to launch into an analysis of what comes next or what the overarching impact of the fight might be going forward.
@@agentcodybanx8909 yeah, but she usually is still pretty bad. her constant use of elegand-sounding phrases is honestly just cringe and her play by play unironically distracts me from what's happening in the game cuz she never actually talks about the game...
Riots intentionally trying to make it "less structured" according to Dash, but the result is just cheapening the product overall. If the games themselves weren't more entertaining this year LCS would've been near unwatchable
Letting people like Emily do interviews is a big w but I'm just not certain why they're having her do casting instead of just leaving her for interviews where I feel she was pretty well suited
Yeah, having her and captainflowers do the same job also just amplifies the hate she gets, I'm sure. It's not either of their faults but the largest skill gap in all of lcs is probably the two of them.
Hit the nail on the head in my opinion. She didn't realize the dragon is still alive. If I was trying to be a caster, I'd be looking at old replays and casting it with the audio muted, and then checking to see what the actual casters said. On top of that, I would be using the indicators in the top left and right to check when objectives are taken, not the kill feed text. Even casters should vod review and hone their "mechanics".
She's trying to do what captain flowers does, but fell behind or just lost track of where she was in the fight. Mixing play by play with clever commentary, so it's super hype. When it falls apart though, it looks real bad, because it's neither hype, or coherent.
It's really bizarre that she casts like this because I remember her being a Smite caster awhile back. Idk what it is but is there like a system where she can train up what she's weak in to get better? I just would really hate to see someone get left out to dry like it's seeming rn
Yeah NACS or whatever Academy is called now, where casters usually start but for some reason she got punted to the main stage while not being ready for it at all. I feel like Academy has better casters waiting for their big chance to make it onto the main broadcast and everytime they've brought in someone from Academy I've liked them way more than her.
@@AverageSneedEnjoyer I think it’s probably because they “need” a female PBP since they’re progressive and all. But it’s funny because they lash out when people call her out for being shit and say everyone criticizing her are sexist, misogynists blah blah. She’s definitely failed upwards. That’s crazy she’s had academy casts and yet made it out of academy when I feel like almost every academy caster I’ve heard on the main cast have been objectively soooo much better than her.
@@CinemaSteve True. All these "sexism" allegations when it's possible to point out goodfemale casters like Kitty in LPL. She's been in this gig for 5 years and she didn't show any improvement. There's nothing else that would make it make sense other than nepotism and progressivism.
honestly have no problems with who is casting as long as their voice is understandable and they can convey the key imformantion and stuff that needs to be said
Sometimes I'm not sure if she's ever actually played the game lol you contrast that with Emily who always knows her shit. It's definitely not about being a woman
I don't have anything constructive so say. All I know is if she's on the cast I mute it. Like the girl who does LPL casting now. Idk where they be finding these people
If Letigress is casting I switch to a costream, unbearable caster and worthless analyst, literally never made a unique point or added interesting perspective to anything. Glorified diversity hire.
Flowers and Caedrel casts give me so much life. They're some of the best out there. I really like Raffa's style and Vedius too. But it feels a bit disingenuous to say all casts are bad.
@@alexfrancois54 my god man you’re right. I liked pastry too I always wondered why he didn’t get more time, I miss rivington III too he was like the dad of LCS.
Not sure if Dom reads this, but... his play by play was pretty nice (of course you have seen the play before so it is maybe is easier than live casting). You are one of my favorite creators and I think if it was possible it could be great to see you cast in LCS as a guest play by play or color. Good shiz my man, keep up your overall hard work.
Riot bring in the people they want for 'culture fit' aka company loyalty, optics, nepotism, reasons other than pure merit. It's obvious that she had very little of her own skill so they had Flowers give her a crash course in pbp. She's learning on the job. Meanwhile, the audience has to suffer.
Honestly, with the amount of qualities that costreamers bring, I have no idea why audiences would still tune in to original LCS broadcasts. Someone enlighten me.
I think you critiqued it well. My opinion is the play-by-play caster should act as if their audience is listening a radio broadcast. Making the listener be able to follow the game through audio only. And the color caster fills in the gaps in action with strategy or narrative discussion.
What Dom said is no where near hating. If pointing out someone's mistakes is hating.. How does anyone try to improve themselves.. Like we as humans can't identify every mistake we make. If anything this is a great clip for people looking into becoming a play-by-play caster. Or for Tegris to polish up on her skills of casting.
Great analysis, Dom. Fair and constructive. This is my first exposure to her casting as I rarely watch NA, but from reading others comments, it sounds like she's just not very good at play-by-play and maybe it's not a good fit for her... One has to wonder how she got the job and maintained it for what sounds like... years? Like, if I wanted to be a play-by-play caster, I'd record myself doing play-by-play over and over again, then upload them to youtube once I felt confident. Then I'd use that body of work as proof of my competency when applying to be a caster for Riot. And I'd expect to have to do some kind of live casting interview thing before being broadcast as a professional working for a premier e-sports company... I cannot even imagine someone listening to her do play-by-play with years less experience than she has in this clip... and then hiring her? And I mean that literally. My imagination falters. What would it even look like to be less competent at play-by-play than what's shown in this clip?
If I recall correctly she stared as interviewer instead of the previous one (Olive or something like this) and it was pure downgrade but Olive was one special kind like Sjokz is. That french girl in LEC got better by time but Letigress not, not so much. The girl that was on EMEA this year or Troubleinc who joined LEC after being on EMEA were spot on high level hosting/casting, this is not what you can say about Letigress or Emily Rand, who is better than Letigress but comparing to others.. meh. I don't know their background of what they were doing previously but I can see why some people do not watch analyst desk with them or mute her casting. Or simply chose LCS co stream.
I've been cringing over these dumb lackluster play-by-plays all season. The worst part is ppl who paid money to be there live and they have to listen to this while their favorite teams play.
Scary to think they dropped pastry time for her. Pasty was an average causer but still miles better than this and the fact Raafa isn’t casting this coming week and doesn’t know if he is casting finals weekend. Rito pls just make her host
This is what happens when you put someone on the main broadcast (including her taking ovilees place) with no experience or qualifying factors. She could be good some day, but how on earth she ended up casting (outside of diversity reasons) is far beyond my comprehension. Bad for the product
captain flowers does what works for him and he excels at it, the issue is too many people try to mimic that solely cause of how good he does it and they don't understand why it works, its how he does it, its his voice, theres a congregation of reasons why he succeeds at it, she's too foucsed on what works for him and others but not what would work for her, her issue before was she screeches and doesnt project her voice, now she has no personality or ability to actually shot call whats happening on her own volition and is thinking too much about "what would x say for this" hell i even tolerate vedius even though hes a giant cringelord cause he just embraces his level of cringe and runs with it, sometimes its brain cancer inducing other times you can just ignore it but a good amount of the time his casting is decent so i dont let his flaws get to me, tigress on the other hand the bad times vastly outweigh the decent times
the main issue imo is that no one was asking for her to cast and there are certainly many up and coming casters who would do a much better job. Not sure why she was thrown into the casting position but I dont think any amount of practice or game knowledge will get her to where she needs to be.
Whenever im listening to a Letigress cast it feels like im listening to a children’s lcs league it’s insulting & shes just objectively bad at casting. She should be put back on post game interviews
God damnit. LCS posted their ON -AIR talent for summer split and i went down the letigress rabit hole and wound up here again. It's a very sad day so far.
If you weren't watching the game and just listening to it, I wouldn't blame anyone for mistaking her moans as bad porn acting. And I swear to God, I think heard her scream and moan "Oh so deep"
2:36 _"If you'd listen to this"_ Nah, I try really hard not to but whenever she is casting I end up just closing the stream because her voice is awful for this (objectively, just like there are studies/focus groups to get metrics on types of voices people feel more reassuring and soothing, etc) and she is completely clueless about the game and her inability can't even be used in a comedic manner (conclusion: there's absolutely no redeeming quality, except if being female is a quality now and not just a characteristic), and I hate to watch the game without the game sounds (or completely muted).
I was really trying to like/ put up with her casting.. I forget if it was game 2 or 3 but she said something like "ohhh the game is getting really scrappy now which favors" and in my head I'm like obviously CLG, the worse team that likes to fight a lot, and she goes C9.... Just so many little things it's really annoying.
The problem is that Americans are so fucking worried about including women in everything, riot can't move her to academy or the woke american mafia will cancel everyone involved. I would so rather see Emily Rand cast because she has actual game knowledge. Keep letigriss to interviews. No one worries about LEC not having a female caster because Europeans don't give a fuck.
Ok. Lots of dumb comments posted. Lets clear the air: 1). LeTigress is actually very bad. 2). Her terrible casts have nothing to do with her being female 3). In fact, she only got the job cause she is female 4). Laure and Skojz in lec are very competent and loved, as they should be 5). Besides Kobbe, Flowers and Azael LEC casters are light years ahead of LCS 6). LCS production is wrought with cringe, the person in charge needs to be replaced Thanks for the honest video.
I think monte puts it best where it seems Riot/LCS doesn’t even know what to do with Tigris. They swap ovilee for her as interviewer because they wanted lcs to be more professional and pristine. But then they introduce sushi dragon 6 months later and make her be a bubbly presenter for Friday night league then they move her to analyst table to do what dash does, later a spicy playful presenter like sjokz with tsm segment and now she’s casting. She’s been in lcs for 3 years where she’s Jack of all traits but master of none not because of her ability but because management incompetence is sabotaging you to develop and master any skills.
It is super hard to find talent like Captain Flowers who can go through the most hectic team fights like a machine. So I want to be forgiving... But she doesn't have the skills, to try and cast unfortunately. So I am curious why they have her doing it.
I think its a good example of a mixture between lack of confidence and game knowledge. Not knowing what part of the fight to pay attention to and be more detailed about, and just kinda filling the empty silence with random words. LEC is a good example of it being done right, when you watch Caedrel, Quickshot, Guldborg, Dagda, etc. they have experience and confidence in their game knowledge to be able to talk about whats happening, whats just happened, the potential of what could happen, realistic outcomes, etc. And it's more enjoyable to watch. I think with time she will develop but she needs to be able to cast a match like this, review what she casted, and recieve critisism to improve
This is a drop in the ocean, we got bigger problems. Riotgames is making awful business decisions about prioritising Valorant over League on weekends, they are shrinking the viewership and ultimately letting the LCS die with weekday broadcasts, while they push Valorant on weekends. The FPS market is very congested, once Counterstrike 2 is released and the FPS Esports scene moves on to CS2, what is riot going to be left with in esports, having killed of their MOBA title and CS2 crushing their FPS title. TF Tactics? Zero management.
The issue with Letigress has always been they have tried to make her perform roles where a decent level of game knowledge is required and she generally just doesn’t have it. Not hating but riot has set her up to fail and for people to criticize her.
Casting is very helpful for the visually impaired. Skins + clumps make it hard to realize what’s going on. At least calling champions and player names helps the viewer refocus and understand the basics happening at this spot.
Crazy thing is, she used to be so much better last year, I just think between Riot not knowing what to do with her and her probable lack of practice or consistency as a caster, she's just not up to standards anymore. You can even hear it in her voice, she just doesn't have the same energy that she did last year or even two years ago. Maybe it's lack of love for the business, maybe it's a lack of consistency, who the heck knows, but we can all agree, without shitting on her or threatening her (cringe) that she had a bad day.
"Let's try out our new rookie caster for this playoff game." LCS executives doing their best to make sure that the LCS is truly dead. They are trying to hop over to Valorant.
It's insane that LCS still has her casting. This is one of Riots tier 1 leagues. It's actually unbelievable and embarrassing. And it's so sad that Dom had to tiptoe around this entire subject. It's like people are expected not to say the obvious: She's incredibly bad at PBP casting, and she has no place on a main broadcast doing PBP. I know it sounds harsh, but it's just the truth. I'm sure she's a lovely person IRL, but she is very, very bad at this particular job. I definitely would be awful at the job too. It is what it is. You have to wonder at this point whether it's LCS being stubborn, and not wiling to admit their mistake, or if's the fact that they think it will cause an outrage because a certain portion of the internet will inevitably throw a tantrum at Riot giving into "misogynist" community and firing a female caster. I dunno, I've just been dumbfounded for the last 2 years, trying to figure out why in the world we still have to deal with this.
I think she should transition to a interviewer or analyst desk position. It’s really hurting the integrity of the cast by having these mistakes. (Or at least have her practice more)
Looks like she has lost her confidence. These things seem to be basic for a commentator, and something which you expect an experienced person like her would pick up on. Is she not being given feedback? Or is she being asked to cast in a style that she is not comfortable with and it has just snowballed now to this? Is there no communication at all between the casters behind the scenes to review casts, figure out styles and how to integrate them etc.? I mean, look at how Troubleinc was integrated last year in LEC, or Kitty in LPL this year (she had some rough casts early on IMO - good game knowledge, but a little out of sync). It looks like LeTigress needs to get out of LCS for her own sake at this point more than anything.
why is she still casting anyways? holy shatt 3 main points of casting: 1. (most important and has to go first) play by play with some micro intels. 2. (secondary, can not be first on teamfights) hype, use banger words to hype up the fight after play by play 3. (when nothing big is happening) intel on macros, random facts, etc. L-tiger usually does number 2 only or firstly while doing number 1 very partially.
I really hope they get her to host/analyst desk not Casting, She is not good at Casting at all. They should fit her in another role than Casting before League community is condemned for being a sexist etc, and running LCS to the ground
we really have to hire people professionally not out of pity or diversity. If that's the case why not hire me? Im a minority here in United States. I have no experience or talent in casting, but Hey! LeTigress was given a chance!
People in esports don’t get the history behind play-by-play casting. It originated from baseball radio casting where there was no video, so you had to envision the game based on what the commentators say
Personally her voice also doesn’t do it for me. For a play by play and a voice you have to hear for extended periods supposedly talking quickly in bursts, it’s too grating and unpleasant for me. Just my personal feelings on the voice though.
I mean she was.kved over for diversity sake right ? If so that's what happens, she should never have been in a playoff game with her experience. Does she even play league at any sort of level? Also of LCS really cared about the product they would have a mute switch in the hand of the senior caster.
Riot is doing the same thing ESPN did. Put women on the panel because it's inclusive and guys like looking at attractive women, but their only qualification is they've heard of the game/sport and are good looking. How about we just stick to letting the people who know what they're talking about hold positions in which describing the event taking place is literally the entire job? If she was knowledgeable about the game it wouldn't be an issue, but clearly they've got her there for other reasons.
2:45 Why do I need this tho? This is a video+picture+sound content, not a radio cast. What was weird is when she started to do random "oooh, aaaah, oooh". I though I opened wrong video.
Thats the whole point of play by play casting. You can find other comments going over it, but a decent play by play can helo you picture whats going on without looking.
@LuckyGnom LCS also has an audio only version that they put out for people that want to keep up with the game while doing something else (cooking, driving back home etc.) This is why it's important for casts to accurately depict what's happening
I always thought she might be ok in color casting and NOT PBP. Idk why riot still hasn't tested her as color casting She will be better as an interviewer. I skip more of the highlights on onivia or kaza everytime I hear her on crucial clashes like im just looking at the kill score, what happened and how it happened, without hearing her voice. It's more of she's not suitable for casting and NOT because she's female.
Instead of have her cast academy games where she will inevitably kill interest because no one wants to hear her cast, how about we just have her not cast? She has been doing it for years and years and at a certain point just accept that she is not good enough. Why does she keep getting casting slots when almost every academy caster is just better in a shorter amount of time? I do not care if hypothetically she has the capacity to improve when she has failed so consistently fir too long.
It's like she watched a Captain Flowers casting highlights video and decided to make her whole style just the jokes and puns without the rap god play by play
It’s 100% a terrible captain flowers impression, and honestly captain flowers isn’t that great to begin with.
@Katsukir is this a joke? He is arguably the best professional caster currently. His hype is unmatched.
That’s always the impression I got too. It’s like she’s trying to be colorful with her wording the way captain flowers is but she hasn’t gotten the basic play by play down yet. I try not to hate on letigress cause she gets an incredible amount of hate already, but the longer she’s around the harder it is to just give her a pass. She’s got a weird personality, she does goofy voices that come off more cringe then funny, and she doesn’t seem to have the game knowledge needed to cast.
@@Suge67 there are many many more hype casters
@@Suge67 He's not my favourite caster (SO NOT LITERALLY NUMBER 1 THAT'S ALL THAT MEANS) but if you don't rate him at all idk what you're doing. He has a great voice, great pacing, knows how to build hype during a fight and works well in every combo I've seen him in
At least we know that blood is running through Luger's veins.
💀
Tbf would pretty weird if pro players veins didn't had some blood innit ?
LCS casters have a bucket of lines like these, which is hype sometimes, but gets cringey the more you hear it in a single match
@Reg learns chess all casters* not just the LCS. I watch every single region and I've noticed this in every single one. Especially the LEC.
@@mrhefe2322 But LCS does this a lot more than LEC casters. And that's when it gets cringey to watch league. Sure, it might've been great in other games but in league i don't think so.
Charitable comments by Dom tbh. Coulda gone the hater route but was pretty constructive
bro doesnt want to be canceled i guess if he goes to hard on her
All casters have to grow, blind hate is just as bad as blind praise in that regard
@@shanks2058 I think Dom's response was appropiate. It's not the worst casting, but it has major flaws and he pointed them out whilst also explaining how it should be done. He criticized her casting without falling into dumb incel commentary on her person.
@@TheSquirrelbeast as a professional caster I think this is ridiculously low quality casting.
League players are spiteful and spoiled so of course they will hate on a bad caster like they hate on underperforming players and streamers. No idea where you get incel from.
@@tedsmith6385she's also been casting for 3 years
Loved how Dom described this… I’m not always paying 100% attention to the stream, so it’s frustrating to not know what’s going on based off of the play-by-play…
Same. I have a family to take care of, and can't be glued to a screen as much, especially when I'm already glued to a screen for work. I actually rely on play by play since I can't actually watch half the game or so.
I'm glad costreams exist because she leaves you completely in the dark if you're just listening to the games while doing chores/work. I've never felt this way with any other caster and it's an actual joke if she's still doing play by play next season. Just put her back in the interviewer role which she was fine at. 🤷♂
I don’t envy anyone who tries play by play. It requires a lot of game knowledge and an ability to immediately assess the situation and articulate it in a coherent way. It’s not easy. Imo a good play by play should almost allow you to close your eyes and picture what is happening without seeing it. Great play by play can do that and also be colorful and not sound repetitive. It’s what makes captain flowers so good. I’ve tried to be patient with letigress, it’s a hard job and if you look at chat for 2 seconds you’ll see an insane amount of hate any time she appears or says a word. So I try not to pile on. But she’s been doing it for awhile now and she hasn’t gotten any better. She tries to be colorful and use interesting phrasing but it usually leaves her stumbling over her words. You can tell she often has 2 separate sentences in her head and will often combine them in an awkward way accidentally. She does goofy voices that come of more cringe then funny….. I don’t like hating on her but she really just struggles sometimes. Personally if it’s not Azael and Flowers I’d rather just turn the volume down. Lol
"Game Knowledge" then you see Flowers saying he's an idiot about the game... or Quickshot who doesn't even play or understand the game.
Game Knowledge is not truly needed to be a good caster. You can be a caster without nothing else than the basic about the sport. What is important is understand your tone and pace. You can't be going to 100 on every play... you can't start shouting at the very start of the fights. You need to know to read the moment and throw out words on a way that makes senses.People like to point out "Oh. Need better Knowledge" when we got at lot and i said at lot casters who clearly non know anything about the game. That's why you got a color caster who cover that aspect. As PbP you just make people hype and shout what is happening on a why people can understand it without having to be looking directly. She doesn't do this at all. She never be able to do this. Describe what is happening on present, instead of "Thigns happened. Now i'm gonna describe it". Like she's 2 step behind.
LT casting doesn't lack knowledge about the game. heck she knows the skills names better than at lot of the caster, but she need to stop with the rhymes. She need to manage her pacing better. She need to find a consistent voice instead of going up and down with grunt voice, cheesy voice, soft voices, cute voices,farmer voices. She need stick to just one so is easier for the one listering and to react to what is happening not to described what just happened seconds after
Captainflowers is master+ for like 8 seasons straight my guy? He makes jokes about not understanding the game because he’s just a skarner one trick but very clearly does.
agree whenever she cast i just full mute or turn off stream
then dont effing hire her
Diversity hire She has 0 Talents and Not even a good voice and 0 understanding of League
The casters job is to keep the confusing parts understandable and the boring parts entertaining. Artosis and Tastless casting SC2 are perfect examples of this.
Starcraft is different , the play by play side is easier , because action in fights is much more understandable and readable. The macro side is however quite a lot deeper. And to date tastosis is the best caster duo of all time. ITs like comparing mr olympia to your local gym meatheads
@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister its kinda the opposite
@@ivanjelenic5627 What's opposite? The fights (play by play) are extremely slow compared to League.
In league there are 10 different people doing separate actions. Try naming at least 1 skill thrown out , per player.
You can't.
Meanwhile in starcraft you have usually 1 type of unit doing 1 thing. LIng baneling , storms and EMP's are some of the fastest things that can happen and it's increadibly clear when it's happening and WHY it's happening.
In contrast the minute inticracies of the proper timing and taking gas , bases , timed pushes , positioning and general tactical theory most people have Increadibly surface level understanding of. A lot of macro decisions manifest 2-3 minutes in the future in starcraft and average viewer, does not understand it.
I used to teach 10 silver scrubs (aka. your typical players) I have a pretty good idea how they viewed tournaments.
Title misleading, clearly not having thought about the legendary "OUUUU THE KNOCKUP ONTO TWOOOUU, WOMBO COMBO BABYYYYYYY"
I trying to find the clip but I just can't find it
I still can't find it, it almost feels like it never existed in the first place
@@dlz5709 search ls reacts to the worst casting or something it's still there
@@dlz5709 I also tried to find it but only found this one with the original audio at least
ua-cam.com/video/QCimP0s888E/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ehehe
@@MoinMeister_187 yeah I ended up finding it ua-cam.com/video/ZISTUZXqDjA/v-deo.html but it's literally the only clip of it on youtube
Dom casually being a better caster without even trying 😅
yeah actually
He casted LPL once and he was really good.
Dom doesn't have the pressure of following the action continuously through the play, and he knows it, which is why he's not being dumb and claiming he knows he'd be a better caster without practice.
@@lukemcdo realistically Dom is a way better caster, he has the game knowledge and a clearer speaking voice thanks to streaming for years
@@EvillAnime Dom can and would be a way better color caster but that's not the question now is it? Or are you unable to distinguish the roles?
I think she needs some time in academy to get better and up her casting chops. This definitely felt like her worst casting, I normally don't mind her but here she just sounded tired.
even worse than the TL game?
Maezel after one year of LPL casting is legit miles above letrigreess
@@bingobongo496 Hysterics, Oisin and Munchables are also all really good, also Dagda is doing amazingly in LEC after his time on the LPL english broadcast, there is just too much talent in the LPL english broadcast team
I don't mind any other caster but whenever she's casting I just turn the stream off. I don't know what it is but she just isn't my cup of tea
@@ipogoz2166 agreeeeeedddddd. LPL English casting really had leveled up this past few years
A shout caster has one main job and its to quickly convey the most important pieces of informations, often the information that is easily missed by the average viewers. When most leagues hire casters, they want to see you having casted before, doesn't even have to be the same game because just knowing whats going on in a game is the first and most important step to play by play. I hate saying that a woman only got her job because shes a woman because that isnt even the case, you cannot convince me that she is one of the best female casters out there, even the valorant tier 2 na female caster (no idea what her name is) is better than this and she isnt that great herself either.
There must be women out there who are decent at casting, why hire someone who isnt. There isnt even an argument about money to be made, there is no way that hiring her is much cheaper than any other female caster. I think its really good to integrate more women in to a broadcast but not if its at a cost of the viewing experience, there are of course bad hires that are men as well but they feel more like bad scouting instead of just grabbing the first woman available. Theres just no world where you could convince me that women can get good at literally every other job in esports production apart from casting, do some sort of scouting, there must be people available out there. Kitty for the lpl is a good example of a very decent caster, she might not be as good as the best of the best but if you put her next to someone like flowers or drakos, she would bring her own value to the cast and wouldn't ruin the experience at all.
When LeTigress casts i just turn the sound off, she managed to not only be bad at keeping track of whats going on in the game, shes also bad at casting itself, the words she uses and what words she puts emphasis on, you dont have time to speak slowly in the middle of a big fight, thats the kind of thing you do when the fight is dying out and nothing is really happening anymore, you should copy the pace of the game when shout casting.
Pansy was the greatest female caster ever. Actually a good csgo caster, I think she does Val now.
@@ternedo6074 Pansy is so damn good. Wish I could've seen her and Hypoc at the last Masters event.
just let her cast academy to get her rounds in she's clearly not ready yet
markz who's a solid caster had to go through casting academy to get spots on the main broadcast
Mark's been in and around for ever I feel like they took SO much time with Mark to finally let him in on the main broadcast and it's not like he's a perfect product either. It's disrespectful to the audience and honestly LeTigress to put her in this position she's being setup to look like shit.
She's been a caster for 5 years though.
MarkZ casted Academy because he wanted to be doing it because he enjoy Academy. He was just too lazy to cast on LCS, but for some reason he found energy to cast on the LCS this season
@@pedrolonga8070 I dont understand where this 5 years number came from, she is still new to league, iirc she won a caster reality TV show made by Hi-Rez (makers of smite and Paladins) Unless she has done way more than I know I dont know where the 5 years came from
Just check her socials, she did, indeed, cast for 5 years, not all of it in league tho
Your 5 seconds of casting was such a breath of fresh air. Holy smokes I didn't realize I was starving till I tasted that.
It's just annoying that she's doing this on the main LCS broadcast while Academy has much better casters. Every academy caster they've brought in has done so much better on the main broadcast than her. Why does she keep getting more and more shots every week when she's not improving? Bring in the ones who've been grinding for years to cast.
Because shes a black female
It’s Na so they prioritize color of skin and sex over talent/skill at the job.
well historically, there werent a lot of female casters.. so you need to give women time to overcome the patriarchy
@@mescellaneous But giving them time to overcome the so-called patriarchy doesn't mean you throw them on the main cast time after time when nobody fucking likes her AND there are better casters in Academy. It's sexist to have her fail upwards if anything.
Well historically women were not as interested in esports as men.
Sounds like she climaxed at the dragon getting set up.
On the flip side, I’ve enjoyed Mark’s casting this year. I feel like he’s really improved over the last year. I know he’s not the most exciting or hype color caster, but I feel like he always offers solid analysis and I appreciate his dry humor. I think if he casted more with solid PBP people like Flowers he’d shine more.
Expecting her to suddenly improve her play by play accuracy, her pace, voice control, and cutting out the excess is like expecting a NFL QB with poor arm strength/accuracy, bad footwork, and poor reading of the defense to suddenly become an all-pro the next season. There are too many problems to fix and management need to get real and find a replacement.
at this point its been so long of everyone having a negative opinion of her and absolutely nothing changing, that I think we just get to deal with it forever lmao
Inclusion > talent unfortunately in this day and age
I think it doesn't help that she's (currently, maybe it'll change) not as good as the other casters and the gap is massive. It's like in Starcraft 2 Artosis and Tasteless were objectively the best casters and people wanted them to cast every tournament and every finals.
We need more Dom casting honestly
I’ve said time and time again the sign of a good play by play caster is when I can visualise all of the action without watching the video - like when I’m walking around doing housework and just have my headphones on to follow the game. Some casters give me a crystal clear mental picture, and even in teamfights when it gets super chaotic you’re still getting all the key moments
Personally I don’t usually watch the LCS I put it on another monitor and listen to it while I play through some other games. I usually don’t have a problem with any of the casters, some like ender(lec) make it hard to understand the game because he likes to make a lot of jokes, but the duos are fun to listen too. With her, I simply have no clue what’s actually going in in the game. Feels like she’s talking in past tense, other commentators reacting to a play and she hasn’t even gotta there yet.
Not worth opening lcs , just find the lck vod and have atlus casting
LCS died 4 years ago for me lmao
That was actually a great point, most of the casters are good enough that I don’t actually watch most LCS games, I listen to them like a baseball game on the radio type thing, but when I hear Letigress I just hear her corny ass jokes lol
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who notices this. It’s so painful and literally makes me not want to watch the games she “casts”. I’ve stated in other comments I rely on the cast to understand what’s happening because sometimes I cannot actively watch but only listen; but when I listen to her I cannot visualize what’s going on in the game.
Careful Dom. Criticism of LT is NOT to be tolerated! Obviously nobody can have a legitimate criticism here, it's gotta be incel hate against women.
i mean, in esports critics are more often when there is a woman involved, that's pretty incelish, and you sound like one
@@ChanoQlo Cus 90% of woman in esports are horrible at thier job cus lack of gameknowledge and carimsma, only bieng hired becuase of diveristy wokeness
@@ChanoQlo Incel mean involuntarily celibate. That denotes an element of not having a choice in the matter. And your conclusion from that, is the people criticizing this woman are that, and not the people bending over backwards to justify her lack of ability?
Boy, I wonder which one of us is more concerned with pleasing the opposite sex.
Real galaxy brain take, kid.
When I close my eyes I just heard morty doing the classic "oohhhh gooooodddddd ohhh jeeezzzzz"
I came in to the stream yesterday and saw all the hate and I was confused. Glad you posted this and shed light into the situation. I can understand why people dislike her now
I really appreciate Dom staying on topic and pointing out what exactly made the casting bad and how it could have been better, instead of just memeing or making jokes about it. Constructive feedback is super important when pointing out mistakes, so that people can improve.
Esp appreciated him pointing out the lack of a summary at the end of the fight, bc it's a super important part of casting that sometimes gets overlooked when talking about whether casting is good or bad. Even if the fight itself is narrated perfectly, if you're just listening it can be hard to remember who exactly got what. I only recently started paying attentiont to the quality of casting, but you'll notice for example Flowers at the end of a fight gives a short but informative summary, which for this fight would be something like "two kills on each side, but CLG secures the dragon and denies C9 soul point." Which then gives the color caster a perfect opening to launch into an analysis of what comes next or what the overarching impact of the fight might be going forward.
I think she was nervous as fuck but its so frustrating at the same time
This wasn't her 1st cast tho, she's been casting all split
@@agentcodybanx8909 hasnt she been casting for like years now I am pretty sure
@@TryndasBoyfriend yea for a little while, she's usually not this bad
@@agentcodybanx8909 yeah, but she usually is still pretty bad. her constant use of elegand-sounding phrases is honestly just cringe and her play by play unironically distracts me from what's happening in the game cuz she never actually talks about the game...
@@agentcodybanx8909 oh, then idk
Letigress gets bounced around roles on the broadcast, really weird. Idk what was wrong with her as an interviewer tbh.
Riots intentionally trying to make it "less structured" according to Dash, but the result is just cheapening the product overall. If the games themselves weren't more entertaining this year LCS would've been near unwatchable
Letting people like Emily do interviews is a big w but I'm just not certain why they're having her do casting instead of just leaving her for interviews where I feel she was pretty well suited
I mean, I'm not thrilled with her as an interviewer, but if they're determined to have her, that's where to place her.
@@najawin8348 agreed I don't think she's too good at casting at present. I think she can with time but I think she got pulled too soon
They can't remove her now cause of all the hate she's received. It means they're succumbing to bullying
Yeah, having her and captainflowers do the same job also just amplifies the hate she gets, I'm sure. It's not either of their faults but the largest skill gap in all of lcs is probably the two of them.
#CasterGap
0:10 wait, didn't Dom cast a couple of LPL games at some point? I clearly remember those matches and him later talking about that experience.
I think he means play by play casting
why is she still casting i dont get it
Equality.
Diversity.
Inclusivity
Cuz riot didnt want to get canceled for sexist
Because this is modern society 🤣
Yeah So I saw LCO looking for PbP and i'd love to do it but haven't applied for this reason, not confident i'd cast it well enough.
Hit the nail on the head in my opinion. She didn't realize the dragon is still alive. If I was trying to be a caster, I'd be looking at old replays and casting it with the audio muted, and then checking to see what the actual casters said. On top of that, I would be using the indicators in the top left and right to check when objectives are taken, not the kill feed text. Even casters should vod review and hone their "mechanics".
They fired Dash for this kekw
She's trying to do what captain flowers does, but fell behind or just lost track of where she was in the fight. Mixing play by play with clever commentary, so it's super hype. When it falls apart though, it looks real bad, because it's neither hype, or coherent.
It's really bizarre that she casts like this because I remember her being a Smite caster awhile back. Idk what it is but is there like a system where she can train up what she's weak in to get better? I just would really hate to see someone get left out to dry like it's seeming rn
Yeah NACS or whatever Academy is called now, where casters usually start but for some reason she got punted to the main stage while not being ready for it at all. I feel like Academy has better casters waiting for their big chance to make it onto the main broadcast and everytime they've brought in someone from Academy I've liked them way more than her.
She's had academy casts. She hasn't improved but for some reason (nepo?) she keeps failing upwards
@@AverageSneedEnjoyer I think it’s probably because they “need” a female PBP since they’re progressive and all. But it’s funny because they lash out when people call her out for being shit and say everyone criticizing her are sexist, misogynists blah blah. She’s definitely failed upwards. That’s crazy she’s had academy casts and yet made it out of academy when I feel like almost every academy caster I’ve heard on the main cast have been objectively soooo much better than her.
@@CinemaStevethey’re not progressive, they’re trying to portray themselves as progressive
@@CinemaSteve True. All these "sexism" allegations when it's possible to point out goodfemale casters like Kitty in LPL. She's been in this gig for 5 years and she didn't show any improvement. There's nothing else that would make it make sense other than nepotism and progressivism.
I love how people are saying that we hate her casting because she is a woman. No honey we hate her casting because it sucks.
honestly have no problems with who is casting as long as their voice is understandable and they can convey the key imformantion and stuff that needs to be said
Sometimes I'm not sure if she's ever actually played the game lol you contrast that with Emily who always knows her shit. It's definitely not about being a woman
Fr. Like I don't care about your gender, just cast properly. I'm here to understand the games.
Exactly. Like I couldn’t listen to this shit man it was horrible
Exactly, Froskurinn was great in the LEC and at Worlds. (even if you disagree with her opinions)
I don't have anything constructive so say. All I know is if she's on the cast I mute it. Like the girl who does LPL casting now. Idk where they be finding these people
If Letigress is casting I switch to a costream, unbearable caster and worthless analyst, literally never made a unique point or added interesting perspective to anything. Glorified diversity hire.
100%
Based
Hate to say it but she is only there because she is a chick.
thats why i only watch co streams this year, worst caster for me, doesnt hype me up, screams only
Exactly
Flowers and Caedrel casts give me so much life. They're some of the best out there. I really like Raffa's style and Vedius too. But it feels a bit disingenuous to say all casts are bad.
@@colebarber8485 LEC honestly has some of the better casters. Lck all blend together with no unique style and lpl is decent.
Lpl has that really pretty lady on the cast. I like her but don't know lpl
@@colebarber8485 very pretty and she knows league unlike legitrash, but hey blood is still running through luger's veins
Yup LeTigress for ovilee, randoms for dash, my god what amazing trades
You forgot my boy Pastrytime being replaced by Rafaa
@@alexfrancois54 my god man you’re right. I liked pastry too I always wondered why he didn’t get more time, I miss rivington III too he was like the dad of LCS.
tbf dash left for valorant
@@alexfrancois54Rafa is so bad
@@rockdalianninja1056 riv was so good now I remember
Not sure if Dom reads this, but... his play by play was pretty nice (of course you have seen the play before so it is maybe is easier than live casting). You are one of my favorite creators and I think if it was possible it could be great to see you cast in LCS as a guest play by play or color.
Good shiz my man, keep up your overall hard work.
Riot bring in the people they want for 'culture fit' aka company loyalty, optics, nepotism, reasons other than pure merit. It's obvious that she had very little of her own skill so they had Flowers give her a crash course in pbp. She's learning on the job. Meanwhile, the audience has to suffer.
Honestly, with the amount of qualities that costreamers bring, I have no idea why audiences would still tune in to original LCS broadcasts. Someone enlighten me.
I think you critiqued it well.
My opinion is the play-by-play caster should act as if their audience is listening a radio broadcast. Making the listener be able to follow the game through audio only. And the color caster fills in the gaps in action with strategy or narrative discussion.
What Dom said is no where near hating. If pointing out someone's mistakes is hating.. How does anyone try to improve themselves.. Like we as humans can't identify every mistake we make. If anything this is a great clip for people looking into becoming a play-by-play caster. Or for Tegris to polish up on her skills of casting.
Great analysis, Dom. Fair and constructive.
This is my first exposure to her casting as I rarely watch NA, but from reading others comments, it sounds like she's just not very good at play-by-play and maybe it's not a good fit for her... One has to wonder how she got the job and maintained it for what sounds like... years? Like, if I wanted to be a play-by-play caster, I'd record myself doing play-by-play over and over again, then upload them to youtube once I felt confident. Then I'd use that body of work as proof of my competency when applying to be a caster for Riot. And I'd expect to have to do some kind of live casting interview thing before being broadcast as a professional working for a premier e-sports company... I cannot even imagine someone listening to her do play-by-play with years less experience than she has in this clip... and then hiring her? And I mean that literally. My imagination falters. What would it even look like to be less competent at play-by-play than what's shown in this clip?
If I recall correctly she stared as interviewer instead of the previous one (Olive or something like this) and it was pure downgrade but Olive was one special kind like Sjokz is. That french girl in LEC got better by time but Letigress not, not so much. The girl that was on EMEA this year or Troubleinc who joined LEC after being on EMEA were spot on high level hosting/casting, this is not what you can say about Letigress or Emily Rand, who is better than Letigress but comparing to others.. meh. I don't know their background of what they were doing previously but I can see why some people do not watch analyst desk with them or mute her casting. Or simply chose LCS co stream.
I've been cringing over these dumb lackluster play-by-plays all season. The worst part is ppl who paid money to be there live and they have to listen to this while their favorite teams play.
Scary to think they dropped pastry time for her. Pasty was an average causer but still miles better than this and the fact Raafa isn’t casting this coming week and doesn’t know if he is casting finals weekend. Rito pls just make her host
This is what happens when you put someone on the main broadcast (including her taking ovilees place) with no experience or qualifying factors. She could be good some day, but how on earth she ended up casting (outside of diversity reasons) is far beyond my comprehension. Bad for the product
captain flowers does what works for him and he excels at it, the issue is too many people try to mimic that solely cause of how good he does it and they don't understand why it works, its how he does it, its his voice, theres a congregation of reasons why he succeeds at it, she's too foucsed on what works for him and others but not what would work for her, her issue before was she screeches and doesnt project her voice, now she has no personality or ability to actually shot call whats happening on her own volition and is thinking too much about "what would x say for this" hell i even tolerate vedius even though hes a giant cringelord cause he just embraces his level of cringe and runs with it, sometimes its brain cancer inducing other times you can just ignore it but a good amount of the time his casting is decent so i dont let his flaws get to me, tigress on the other hand the bad times vastly outweigh the decent times
the main issue imo is that no one was asking for her to cast and there are certainly many up and coming casters who would do a much better job. Not sure why she was thrown into the casting position but I dont think any amount of practice or game knowledge will get her to where she needs to be.
Whenever im listening to a Letigress cast it feels like im listening to a children’s lcs league it’s insulting & shes just objectively bad at casting. She should be put back on post game interviews
Well I think the problem is companies are trying to go for "equality" instead if quality
God damnit. LCS posted their ON -AIR talent for summer split and i went down the letigress rabit hole and wound up here again. It's a very sad day so far.
If you weren't watching the game and just listening to it, I wouldn't blame anyone for mistaking her moans as bad porn acting.
And I swear to God, I think heard her scream and moan "Oh so deep"
2:36 _"If you'd listen to this"_
Nah, I try really hard not to but whenever she is casting I end up just closing the stream because her voice is awful for this (objectively, just like there are studies/focus groups to get metrics on types of voices people feel more reassuring and soothing, etc) and she is completely clueless about the game and her inability can't even be used in a comedic manner (conclusion: there's absolutely no redeeming quality, except if being female is a quality now and not just a characteristic), and I hate to watch the game without the game sounds (or completely muted).
Try listening to her casting for 100 Thieves vs Liquid - LCS 2023 Spring Split Week 5 Day 2 at 40:09 in-game time.
I was really trying to like/ put up with her casting.. I forget if it was game 2 or 3 but she said something like "ohhh the game is getting really scrappy now which favors" and in my head I'm like obviously CLG, the worse team that likes to fight a lot, and she goes C9.... Just so many little things it's really annoying.
The problem is that Americans are so fucking worried about including women in everything, riot can't move her to academy or the woke american mafia will cancel everyone involved. I would so rather see Emily Rand cast because she has actual game knowledge. Keep letigriss to interviews. No one worries about LEC not having a female caster because Europeans don't give a fuck.
Ok. Lots of dumb comments posted. Lets clear the air:
1). LeTigress is actually very bad.
2). Her terrible casts have nothing to do with her being female
3). In fact, she only got the job cause she is female
4). Laure and Skojz in lec are very competent and loved, as they should be
5). Besides Kobbe, Flowers and Azael LEC casters are light years ahead of LCS
6). LCS production is wrought with cringe, the person in charge needs to be replaced
Thanks for the honest video.
I think monte puts it best where it seems Riot/LCS doesn’t even know what to do with Tigris.
They swap ovilee for her as interviewer because they wanted lcs to be more professional and pristine. But then they introduce sushi dragon 6 months later and make her be a bubbly presenter for Friday night league then they move her to analyst table to do what dash does, later a spicy playful presenter like sjokz with tsm segment and now she’s casting.
She’s been in lcs for 3 years where she’s Jack of all traits but master of none not because of her ability but because management incompetence is sabotaging you to develop and master any skills.
This is why you shouldn't hire people just to check the diversity box. Instead, it should primarily be based on merit.
It is super hard to find talent like Captain Flowers who can go through the most hectic team fights like a machine. So I want to be forgiving... But she doesn't have the skills, to try and cast unfortunately. So I am curious why they have her doing it.
I think its a good example of a mixture between lack of confidence and game knowledge. Not knowing what part of the fight to pay attention to and be more detailed about, and just kinda filling the empty silence with random words. LEC is a good example of it being done right, when you watch Caedrel, Quickshot, Guldborg, Dagda, etc. they have experience and confidence in their game knowledge to be able to talk about whats happening, whats just happened, the potential of what could happen, realistic outcomes, etc. And it's more enjoyable to watch. I think with time she will develop but she needs to be able to cast a match like this, review what she casted, and recieve critisism to improve
I bet she was hired because she's a competent caster
the irony
This is a drop in the ocean, we got bigger problems.
Riotgames is making awful business decisions about prioritising Valorant over League on weekends, they are shrinking the viewership and ultimately letting the LCS die with weekday broadcasts, while they push Valorant on weekends.
The FPS market is very congested, once Counterstrike 2 is released and the FPS Esports scene moves on to CS2, what is riot going to be left with in esports, having killed of their MOBA title and CS2 crushing their FPS title.
TF Tactics?
Zero management.
To me, she always seems like a politician trying to convince us she cares about League when really she doesn't
The issue with Letigress has always been they have tried to make her perform roles where a decent level of game knowledge is required and she generally just doesn’t have it. Not hating but riot has set her up to fail and for people to criticize her.
Am I the only one that hears her moaning at some point?
yes i beat to it
@@Odel964 Menace 💀
Casting is very helpful for the visually impaired. Skins + clumps make it hard to realize what’s going on. At least calling champions and player names helps the viewer refocus and understand the basics happening at this spot.
Crazy thing is, she used to be so much better last year, I just think between Riot not knowing what to do with her and her probable lack of practice or consistency as a caster, she's just not up to standards anymore. You can even hear it in her voice, she just doesn't have the same energy that she did last year or even two years ago. Maybe it's lack of love for the business, maybe it's a lack of consistency, who the heck knows, but we can all agree, without shitting on her or threatening her (cringe) that she had a bad day.
"Let's try out our new rookie caster for this playoff game."
LCS executives doing their best to make sure that the LCS is truly dead. They are trying to hop over to Valorant.
It's insane that LCS still has her casting. This is one of Riots tier 1 leagues. It's actually unbelievable and embarrassing. And it's so sad that Dom had to tiptoe around this entire subject. It's like people are expected not to say the obvious: She's incredibly bad at PBP casting, and she has no place on a main broadcast doing PBP. I know it sounds harsh, but it's just the truth. I'm sure she's a lovely person IRL, but she is very, very bad at this particular job. I definitely would be awful at the job too. It is what it is.
You have to wonder at this point whether it's LCS being stubborn, and not wiling to admit their mistake, or if's the fact that they think it will cause an outrage because a certain portion of the internet will inevitably throw a tantrum at Riot giving into "misogynist" community and firing a female caster. I dunno, I've just been dumbfounded for the last 2 years, trying to figure out why in the world we still have to deal with this.
I think she should transition to a interviewer or analyst desk position. It’s really hurting the integrity of the cast by having these mistakes. (Or at least have her practice more)
Dom's play by play example was actually kinda Pog
Dom pulling a self Caedrel's Malzahar
Looks like she has lost her confidence. These things seem to be basic for a commentator, and something which you expect an experienced person like her would pick up on. Is she not being given feedback? Or is she being asked to cast in a style that she is not comfortable with and it has just snowballed now to this? Is there no communication at all between the casters behind the scenes to review casts, figure out styles and how to integrate them etc.? I mean, look at how Troubleinc was integrated last year in LEC, or Kitty in LPL this year (she had some rough casts early on IMO - good game knowledge, but a little out of sync).
It looks like LeTigress needs to get out of LCS for her own sake at this point more than anything.
LOST HER CONFIDENCE bro she has always been this bad
why is she still casting anyways? holy shatt
3 main points of casting:
1. (most important and has to go first) play by play with some micro intels.
2. (secondary, can not be first on teamfights) hype, use banger words to hype up the fight after play by play
3. (when nothing big is happening) intel on macros, random facts, etc.
L-tiger usually does number 2 only or firstly while doing number 1 very partially.
Soooo many people got banned during this stream, me included. Cause: people kept writing "Women casting KEKW"
Not many play by play casters convey well what’s happening to often . I listen to games when I can’t watch often .
I really hope they get her to host/analyst desk not Casting, She is not good at Casting at all. They should fit her in another role than Casting before League community is condemned for being a sexist etc, and running LCS to the ground
"WHAT ARE WE SAYIIIING"
-Your local crackhead, iwd
we really have to hire people professionally not out of pity or diversity. If that's the case why not hire me? Im a minority here in United States. I have no experience or talent in casting, but Hey! LeTigress was given a chance!
i like how dom said she doesnt believe dragon is still up, it makes it sound like she's schizo XD
The worst moment for her IMO is the Berserker clutch quadra it could have been soo good if it was a good caster
This happens when you give the job to people based on filling a quota.
People in esports don’t get the history behind play-by-play casting. It originated from baseball radio casting where there was no video, so you had to envision the game based on what the commentators say
lets be real she should get fired.. her casting is not even below par its beyond confusing and bad... Would it be a guy doing this insta deleted...
2:20 insane casting
Personally her voice also doesn’t do it for me. For a play by play and a voice you have to hear for extended periods supposedly talking quickly in bursts, it’s too grating and unpleasant for me. Just my personal feelings on the voice though.
Latigress - Captain Flowers without any of the knowledge, skill, ability or basic understanding of what is actually happening in the game.
I mean she was.kved over for diversity sake right ? If so that's what happens, she should never have been in a playoff game with her experience. Does she even play league at any sort of level?
Also of LCS really cared about the product they would have a mute switch in the hand of the senior caster.
Riot is doing the same thing ESPN did. Put women on the panel because it's inclusive and guys like looking at attractive women, but their only qualification is they've heard of the game/sport and are good looking. How about we just stick to letting the people who know what they're talking about hold positions in which describing the event taking place is literally the entire job? If she was knowledgeable about the game it wouldn't be an issue, but clearly they've got her there for other reasons.
For some reason this was in my recommended any after the first clip I wanted to make a captain Flowers comment but its already there
Frosk would be proud.
заканселят ли Дома ,если окажется ,что она черный транс ?хм
2:45 Why do I need this tho? This is a video+picture+sound content, not a radio cast. What was weird is when she started to do random "oooh, aaaah, oooh". I though I opened wrong video.
Thats the whole point of play by play casting. You can find other comments going over it, but a decent play by play can helo you picture whats going on without looking.
@LuckyGnom LCS also has an audio only version that they put out for people that want to keep up with the game while doing something else (cooking, driving back home etc.) This is why it's important for casts to accurately depict what's happening
she tries so hard to cast like flowers it just feels so forced and comes out awkwardly
I always thought she might be ok in color casting and NOT PBP. Idk why riot still hasn't tested her as color casting
She will be better as an interviewer.
I skip more of the highlights on onivia or kaza everytime I hear her on crucial clashes like im just looking at the kill score, what happened and how it happened, without hearing her voice.
It's more of she's not suitable for casting and NOT because she's female.
Instead of have her cast academy games where she will inevitably kill interest because no one wants to hear her cast, how about we just have her not cast? She has been doing it for years and years and at a certain point just accept that she is not good enough. Why does she keep getting casting slots when almost every academy caster is just better in a shorter amount of time? I do not care if hypothetically she has the capacity to improve when she has failed so consistently fir too long.