Wow, this is really detailed and well edited. Also, it brings back a whole lot of memories. I think a few years from now the VGA/DVI ports will look completely bizarre, antiquated and foreign to everyone so it's good that you captured that experience on camera. Well done!
Thank you! And yeah, will probably come close to what you see now with keyboards when people show "old" PS/2 Keyboards, while you got to use an adapter for your AT Board because PS/2 is actually too new for that :D
My job (a large hospital) still has a ton of monitors that only take VGA or DVI. Even after replacing about 500 monitors this past year with DP models, we still have tons of them out there. It will be a while before we kill VGA in the enterprise space. I'd be surprised if many people still use it at home, however.
25:06 - another hint that a lot of people don't realize, these later PCI cards were mostly released later than normal AGP version, that means that you can't use older drivers, which means that it is mostly not wortht o buy for retro gaming, I think that FX series should be still fine, but I have one 6200 for PCI and it was released in 2008!! Drivers I need are too old for this GPU, so 6600GT has much better compatibility because it was released in 2004 and you can use older drivers. So I really don't recommend buying GeForce 6000 series for PCI, it's not what you think it is, there is no 6000 series compatibility. But my 6200 PCI was completely new when I bought it few years ago, so I am still glad that I have one even when it's piece of nonsense hardware. 🙂
Yeah, it's also what I show on that "Diagram" around that timestamp (can also be downloaded separately, link in descripton). There you can nicely see how PCI is vanishing, then AGP is taking over, and then PCI is reappearing. And that "new" PCI should only be bought for PCs of that time, unless you are absolutely sure that it will work on your older system (like if you have someone who already tested that specific model), but assume it wont work.
two 3dfx voodoo1 to isa bus graphics cards are connected via sli cable to one geforce 2 ultra to pci bus or to one 3dfx voodoo2 to pci bus compatibility is a matter of motherboard and drivers but the type of graphics cards connected via sli cable is voluntary for example four 3dfx voodoo1 to isa8 bus graphics cards connected via sli cable
two 3dfx voodoo1 graphics cards in isa8 bus connect via sli cable to two 3dfx voodoo2 graphics cards in pci bus but geforce graphics cards are compatible if two geforce 256 sli pci or two geforce 2 ultra sli pci are inserted in pci bus instead of two voodoo2 pci
geforce 256 and nvidia quadro1 are similar graphics cards if the manufacturer does not give a sli plug for geforce 256 then they give a sli plug for nvidia quadro1
Hrm, but SLI was actually used by 3dfx and only then later used by NVidia after they bought 3dfx. But the first quadro was actually release before SLI was a thing for NVidia.
two pentium pro processors on one motherboard two 3dfx voodoo1 graphics cards to isa bus connected by sli cable to one 3dfx voodoo2 pci connected by sli cable to one geforce 2 ultra pci
There is no correct answer, some games just need specific GPU with specific drivers to run correctly, you can just find the most universal combination, but it's not gonna be 100% compatible with all games. 🙂
Yep, pretty much. Next Sunday I also plan to release a video which will also somewhat "disenchant" the Voodoo 3. While it is a great card, it's also definitely not one which let's you live carefree, and without compatibility issues.
@@KordanorsGamingLair I am using AvP 1999 and NFS5 as a test, if these 2 games work fine, then everything will probably run fine. For some reason, DX6 and DX7 games have the worst compatibility problems and when you use even older hardware, you will realize that HW from that time of the game doesn't have performance to actually run it properly, everything was developed for future HW, but back in the day, nobody cared about some 60+ FPS, it was just does it run? If yes, then it was everything fine. 😀 Just a little tip for people who are trying to build computer with the best possible performance and still good compatibility with DX7 and DX6 games - it works pretty fine on Radeons x1000 series under Win 2000 with alternative omega drivers. One would expect that Win 2000 and XP are pretty much the same because of similar core, but there is a pretty huge difference when it comes to problematical 90s games. Ofcourse you can run them fine in Win 98, but you can't use later HW because of non existing drivers. Many years ago, we were throwing GPUs like MX440 out of Windows, these common and cheap GPUs are also pretty good for 90s gaming in these days, but ofcourse it's not for people who want time precise machine with actual 90s HW. I was always nvidia boy back in the day, but now I realize that ATI card were mostly better for compatibility and performance, GPUs like Radeon 9600 can be easily found now, it's nothing rare, but it has good value for me becuase it has exactly that mix of compatibility, performance and support for old operating systems I need. 3dfx is like completely new undiscovered galaxy for me, I hope one day I will get there. 😀 The worst thing about all those compatibility problems is that you will finally solve it, then you forgot about retro HW for some time and then you can start again because you don't remember what exact drivers you used before.....I hate it. 😀
Wow, this is really detailed and well edited. Also, it brings back a whole lot of memories. I think a few years from now the VGA/DVI ports will look completely bizarre, antiquated and foreign to everyone so it's good that you captured that experience on camera. Well done!
Thank you! And yeah, will probably come close to what you see now with keyboards when people show "old" PS/2 Keyboards, while you got to use an adapter for your AT Board because PS/2 is actually too new for that :D
My job (a large hospital) still has a ton of monitors that only take VGA or DVI. Even after replacing about 500 monitors this past year with DP models, we still have tons of them out there.
It will be a while before we kill VGA in the enterprise space. I'd be surprised if many people still use it at home, however.
Nice channel, keep it up !
Thanks a lot! :)
25:06 - another hint that a lot of people don't realize, these later PCI cards were mostly released later than normal AGP version, that means that you can't use older drivers, which means that it is mostly not wortht o buy for retro gaming, I think that FX series should be still fine, but I have one 6200 for PCI and it was released in 2008!! Drivers I need are too old for this GPU, so 6600GT has much better compatibility because it was released in 2004 and you can use older drivers. So I really don't recommend buying GeForce 6000 series for PCI, it's not what you think it is, there is no 6000 series compatibility. But my 6200 PCI was completely new when I bought it few years ago, so I am still glad that I have one even when it's piece of nonsense hardware. 🙂
Yeah, it's also what I show on that "Diagram" around that timestamp (can also be downloaded separately, link in descripton). There you can nicely see how PCI is vanishing, then AGP is taking over, and then PCI is reappearing. And that "new" PCI should only be bought for PCs of that time, unless you are absolutely sure that it will work on your older system (like if you have someone who already tested that specific model), but assume it wont work.
two 3dfx voodoo1 to isa bus graphics cards are connected via sli cable to one geforce 2 ultra to pci bus or to one 3dfx voodoo2 to pci bus compatibility is a matter of motherboard and drivers but the type of graphics cards connected via sli cable is voluntary for example four 3dfx voodoo1 to isa8 bus graphics cards connected via sli cable
I think what you call SLI cable is just the passthrough cable (which is optional). But now I get what you mean. Interesting setup for sure!
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Thank you! Had to google it though :D
two 3dfx voodoo1 graphics cards in isa8 bus connect via sli cable to two 3dfx voodoo2 graphics cards in pci bus but geforce graphics cards are compatible if two geforce 256 sli pci or two geforce 2 ultra sli pci are inserted in pci bus instead of two voodoo2 pci
Alright! Photo of your setup would be cool
geforce 256 and nvidia quadro1 are similar graphics cards if the manufacturer does not give a sli plug for geforce 256 then they give a sli plug for nvidia quadro1
Hrm, but SLI was actually used by 3dfx and only then later used by NVidia after they bought 3dfx. But the first quadro was actually release before SLI was a thing for NVidia.
two pentium pro processors on one motherboard two 3dfx voodoo1 graphics cards to isa bus connected by sli cable to one 3dfx voodoo2 pci connected by sli cable to one geforce 2 ultra pci
2 V1 and 1 V1 and one GF2? Not sure how you would "SLI" the V2 to the GF2. How do you tell DOS which graphics card to use?
There is no correct answer, some games just need specific GPU with specific drivers to run correctly, you can just find the most universal combination, but it's not gonna be 100% compatible with all games. 🙂
Yep, pretty much. Next Sunday I also plan to release a video which will also somewhat "disenchant" the Voodoo 3. While it is a great card, it's also definitely not one which let's you live carefree, and without compatibility issues.
@@KordanorsGamingLair I am using AvP 1999 and NFS5 as a test, if these 2 games work fine, then everything will probably run fine. For some reason, DX6 and DX7 games have the worst compatibility problems and when you use even older hardware, you will realize that HW from that time of the game doesn't have performance to actually run it properly, everything was developed for future HW, but back in the day, nobody cared about some 60+ FPS, it was just does it run? If yes, then it was everything fine. 😀
Just a little tip for people who are trying to build computer with the best possible performance and still good compatibility with DX7 and DX6 games - it works pretty fine on Radeons x1000 series under Win 2000 with alternative omega drivers.
One would expect that Win 2000 and XP are pretty much the same because of similar core, but there is a pretty huge difference when it comes to problematical 90s games. Ofcourse you can run them fine in Win 98, but you can't use later HW because of non existing drivers.
Many years ago, we were throwing GPUs like MX440 out of Windows, these common and cheap GPUs are also pretty good for 90s gaming in these days, but ofcourse it's not for people who want time precise machine with actual 90s HW.
I was always nvidia boy back in the day, but now I realize that ATI card were mostly better for compatibility and performance, GPUs like Radeon 9600 can be easily found now, it's nothing rare, but it has good value for me becuase it has exactly that mix of compatibility, performance and support for old operating systems I need.
3dfx is like completely new undiscovered galaxy for me, I hope one day I will get there. 😀
The worst thing about all those compatibility problems is that you will finally solve it, then you forgot about retro HW for some time and then you can start again because you don't remember what exact drivers you used before.....I hate it. 😀