Sermon on Calvinism: God is Sovereign (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Watch this newest sermon from Apologia Church. Pastor Jeff Durbin begins our series on the Doctrines of Grace or the Five Points of Calvinism. Pastor Jeff explains a bit of the history but focuses more upon the Biblical texts that support TULIP. This is our new series and more will come each week. Dr. James White will also be teaching during this series. We encourage you to be willing to listen to the texts and challenge your own traditions with the inspired Word of God.
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I have never had grace explained so perfectly to me. I never had that heart understanding that made me want to serve God with love so much as a result of understanding the grace. I was dead. Not just sick. Dead! Not dragging myself, not fighting for my life, absolutely dead. When I see it that way, as the Bible says it, and I realize the ONLY reason I am not is because God Himself has drawn me in (hopefully I'm in the group) then THAT has the power to change me. I feel like I understand the gospel 100x better.
I also love this conversation on predestination, etc. Admittedly it is scary. Others also make good points. Is this what the Dr. White and Dr. Brown debate was based on?
Thanks Jeff and Apologia for this video. It has really blown my mind and lit my heart on fire again.
Too bad about those billions of others whom God created to torment though.
But at least you can take joy that you’re not one of them.
Evan U are you talking about those in Sodom and Gomorrah? Or every soul on earth during the time of Noah? Or all the Egyptians during the time of Moses? Tell me, is the Father evil for ordaining the humiliation, torture and death of His son Jesus? My God is the Alpha and Omega, the great I Am and He is fully sovereign over all that is good and evil. He doesn’t fit in a box that I’ve created out of my fallen sense of morality or justice. I weep knowing that God would save a sinner like me.
@@evanu6579 perhaps you should go back to the Scripture and find what God actually says about himself and the fact that he is free to do with his creation as he pleases. He is not obligated to save anyone, yet he graciously saves many. if you don't like the one true God of scripture, perhaps you should pursue one of the many false cults of the world?...
Daniel Burger
God can do whatever He pleases. I agree 100%
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Isa 48:18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
19 Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me.
Jer 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Jer 26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
30 ¶ Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Matt 23:37 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
So does God want all men to be saved? Would He set up a system that would guarantee the whole of humanity to perish with no opportunity to do otherwise?
It would certainly go against His character and His desires. It would make him the great deceiver that the Quran claims God to be.
zandrello
I’ve looked into God’s character. Calvinism is blasphemy my friend.
People that hate Calvinism or (The Doctrines of Grace) need to really understand that grace literally means undeserved favour. The Bible says we are all dead in our sin from birth and children of wrath. Without God’s grace to regenerate a person/ cause them to be born again, we are doomed! Being born again or regenerate is completely 100% a miraculous work of God. None of us deserve Heaven but only Hell, so the fact that God saves even one person is Amazing Grace!!!🙏❤️.
thats why we arw thrown on the mercy seat of Gods grace. Jesus is the means while the Holy spirit is the application!!!!!
Just ..in aggony from sin we are..beat our chest like the ...sinners that we are ...begging God to save us...grant us Faith in the death, resurection and shedding of Christ blood for remession of our sins..
Does God the Father "draw" everyone or just a selective group?
A selective group
No one can come unless the father draws him. And Jesus will raise him up on the last day. So... those the father draws will be raised with Christ. Meaning only the elect chosen and given before the foundation of the world to the Son, will be drawn... or called as Paul puts it many times.
David Miller Could this be reference for the apostles. If you read the whole text it references that some disciples were following and not believing. They didn’t understand the spirit of the law. At the end of John 6 they leave because they can’t understand what Jesus is saying and only the would be apostles are left. The those that Father drew... where the apostles. This idea is echoed again in John 17 when Jesus prays for those ‘the Father gave me’. I equate this to those the Father ‘draws’. This is the apostles that are on their way to Gethsemane. In both text Jesus mentions the one who will betray him making the point that God is drawing specific players in his mission of redemption.
I believedhow Yahweh called Moses, and many others in the OT, was how he called the Twelve. In order to beat Satan and reclaim what is his. Players in his grand plan to destroy the works of Satan. Though in John 17 Jesus also prays for those that would believe the ‘message’. I believe that those referenced here is the Jew first, then all the gentiles. To anyone who believes. He then ends his prayer by coming back around to praying for his apostles who would have a gargantuan task ahead of them. I try to read the Bible literarily. It helps to maintain fidelity in correlation. But I am still studying so I may change my perspective. Maybe I will align with your view David! I just need more time. Peace fam!
Read the bible. The bible answers your question. Don't depend on answers here. If you were the only man on earth and there was a bible before you, then I would again suggest you read it. God bless. xxx
If he draws everyone then everyone is saved. Because everyone he draws will come and Jesus came to do the will of the Father and that he should not lose anyone. So if he draws everyone then Jesus keeps everyone and everyone is saved. But we know this to not be true because Jesus told the Pharisees that they didn’t believe because they were not his sheep.
Luis Mulero our god.
WHY do trinitarians DENY the DEITY and, DIVINITY of, GOD the FATHER?
Now that I have left Calvinism, and am aware of the trickery, its truly alarming how many times I hear false dichotomies, ad hominem and straw man attacks in order to promote Calvinism. God have mercy
Im listening, tell me more?
Yeah, I'm listening too. I'm especially interested in the "trickery."
eMI
For example, they take the word “sovereign” which means supreme ruler or one with all authority, and instead make it out to mean that it’s one who must meticulously control all things.
Obviously if God is sovereign, then He can rule as He pleases. He could create man with the ability to choose Him and seek Him if He wanted to. He could make salvation about a relationship like that of a husband and wife rather than a man slipping date rape drugs into drinks if He wanted to.
But the Calvinist claims there is no room for that in His sovereignty. They tend to limit what God can and cannot do for the sake of His sovereignty.
It’s quite silly really. They end up being the ones who try to rule over God with how He must operate.
@@evanu6579 wrote: "He could create man with the ability to choose Him and seek Him if He wanted to. He could make salvation about a relationship like that of a husband and wife rather than a man slipping date rape drugs into drinks if He wanted to. But the Calvinist claims there is no room for that in His sovereignty."
What Calvinist claims this? Please provide original sources.
Isaac Maue
You could boast that you were chosen above all others. Kind of like a private invitation to an elite party where no one else is invited.
If I accept an invitation to a party where everyone is invited but some choose not to come, there isn’t much for me to boast about. They had the same opportunity as I did.
Of course the Calvinist doesn’t use the analogy of a date rape drug. I’m just saying that it would be another way to look at it. A date rape drug causes someone to do something that would have otherwise been against their will. It makes them willing. It’s the same idea as Calvinism.
I see it more like a husband finding a wife. It’s relational.
I have no doubt that you didn’t seek God or desire to please Him before you were saved. Most people are convicted by the law or their lost state during the sharing of the Gospel. The Gospel is sharp and powerful. It makes you realize your need.
Some, however, did want to please God and do what was right. Luther was even one of them.
I’m not sure where you got the idea that those on the other side of Calvinism believe that we can force the Holy Spirit to dwell in us to be born again. We agree that that’s the work of God. What we believe is that He regenerates those who believe. That’s the prerequisite....
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom 👉🏻God hath given to them that obey him.👈🏻
Rom 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
So faith is our access to all of this grace that God freely gives us. Things like regeneration. That’s gracious of Him but we access it by faith.
Hope that clarifies my position and the use of analogies i used.
God bless.
“Is anything too hard for God? No, not even the salvation of dead sinners. Welcome to Calvinism.” Best line I’ve heard in a long time.
As if that's uniquely Calvinistic
@@Emper0rH0rde if one be theologically consistent, then it is.
In spite of Calvin.. God will be YHWH.. I loved p.j. statement of "not" reading Calvin
This verse really says a lot - (1 Timothy 2:3-4) “This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
Nothing is too hard for God but He won't force Himself on anyone. Repent of Calvinism (satanism).
One year ago I was fully Arminian. After watching American Gospel and studying the scriptures, I left the charismatic movement and I slowing became a three point Calvinist. Now after watching this sermon, I'm fully Calvin. It all makes sense.
Limited atonement?
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
NO.
Limited to the elect only?
Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
YES.
Only the elect are justified.
I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.
@@robertcoupe6514 Jesus died for all mankind.
Calvinism is Satanism.
@robertcoupe6514 would you agree with the statement that God knows everything? Does he not know how every day of all of ours lives play out from here on until the return of Jesus? He knows exactly who will and will not receive Him. Does anything change because of that? Do people die not receiving Christ with repentance? If they do, then was that not predestined to be because of God being all knowing and sovereign?
@jonhester8909 what a tragic testimony that you’ve become a Calvinist.
From one error to another one far worse.
Praying you will one day become a Christian 🙏🙏
Why does hell have to enlarge herself, to accommodate men, if God only choose a few to be saved, and to hell with the rest?
Isaiah 5:14
King James Version
14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Expect a 6 hours response to this sermon from someone, somewhere in TX...
I can't wait
Leighten flowers
@@deancurlee9373 Groan...
Cracked me up! 😂
Be sure to watch it though. You might learn something.
Wow this is such a huge blessing!!!!! 1000% sharing this to my charismatic friends
Lol
Deuteronomy 30:19 says, "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore CHOOSE life, that you and your offspring may live..." Revelation 3:20 says, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me." Acts 16:31 says, "And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Deuteronomy 4:29 says, "... you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul."
Thank you God for having mercy on me!
Seconded
How would he have mercy on you if you haven't repented?
Don't you Calvinists believe that you don't know who is saved?
You go Brother Jeff, preach the WORD, GOD'S WORD. May the Lord bless your ministry and work.
Jesus is the means while the Holy spirit is the application!!!!! The father chose you before he ever thrown the stars into existence. all will be saved that are in the lambs book of life.
We should be challenged by the Word and embrace correction through the exposition of truth through the Holy Spirit and diligent teachers who embrace fully the infallibility of Scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16 - "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,"
Perspective matters. To the human perspective, we feel that we have free will to repent and trust in Christ, but in truth (God's perspective) He must draw us to Him first.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around Calvinism, and I have many questions, but I do see some truth in it as of right now.
This was mindblowing to me when I heard this line. My perspective vs. God's perspective (Biblical Truth).
I am a 0/5 pt Calvinist... God must draw us first. John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. But also Matt 22:14 many are called, but few are chosen.
@@thomasharner1905
If God is the one who draws, then pray that God draw you.
Psalms 69:18 Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: deliver me because of mine enemies.
Psalms 145:18 The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Zechariah 1:3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the Lord of hosts.
Phillip Evans
No sense in n praying for anyone’s salvation in Calvinism. You’re either created for eternal torment or created for eternal bliss. There’s nothing you can do to change any of it.
In John 6, God was drawing those who had learned from the Father.
That statement is taken from the OT. God taught through the prophets but they wouldn’t receive instruction.
God used John the Baptist to turn the hearts of the people to the Father. Everyone who repented would believe in Jesus. The rest of the Jews were hardened as laid out in Rom 11.
Matt 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Gentiles weren’t allowed into the kingdom until 3.5 years after Jesus’ death. So Israel was the audience in John 6 and they were either hardened and couldn’t come or they already feared God and would come.
That’s not Calvinism. That’s the bible.
God bless.
I like how he uses the kjv, in order to speak to the ifb's.
God is an ifb as am I
What is an ifb
@@repentorperish1386 independent fundamental Baptist. The suit and tie, church 3 times a week, kjv only, only Christian music and movies allowed to be watched, alcohol consumption is always a sin and the list goes on…..types.
@@NuNuRokd ok thanks
Paul said he became like those under the law in order to Win those under the law. He became all things to all people. That's why he had Timothy circumcised yet preached against it. So the point is Jeff uses KJV so those caught up in KJV onlyism will actually listen otherwise they would miss the entire sermon refusing to listen to a modern version. You see?
Repent of your Calvinism and come to the Biblical Jesus.
Excellent teaching on the sovereignty of God! Thank you, Jesus, for opening my eyes to your Word!
This was so encouraging to listen to! Blessings to you all!
Pastor Jeff, never apologize for text after text after text. That just means Context.
He sgood
Currently reading The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Loraine Boettner. I ordered the book after I listened to this sermon, among many others, by Pastor Jeff. I was raised as a charasmatic premellennial, but recently, I have been questioning some things. I think I can say that I'm definitely not premellennial anymore. I have been reading the book of Matthew daily and trying to put my traditions aside while doing so. I was reading chapter 22 yesterday morning, and it finally hit me. I'm think I'm a calvanist, y'all. Pray for me, though, because I don't know how this will sit with my family. But I do know that God is sovereign in my life and no one else.
What a fantastic message on God is Sovereign it is only on almost every page of the Bible.
Like Jeff Durbin, before I heard of Calvinism I knew that when God drew me to Christ by the prayers of believers, God chose me. I never sought the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He wooed me with His powerful, irresistible grace. I could not refuse His invitation. Christ entered me and made me His own.
Amen praise God. I'm a PK from a Pennsylvania American fundamentalist premillennialism cult, loveless and incompetent fake nice. I could never be a zombie bump on a log so I was bad.
Turns out, I am bad and incurable (Jeremiah 31) and that's why Christ was Crushed, as the Scapegoat Kinsman Redeemer of Israel. The bible is proven true by these truths.
I'm confused. So, what drew you? What if your story omitted the "prayers of believers"?
This is a very powerful message! Jeff's messages are always great.. IMO the last message Jeff gave that was this powerful was called "Being a Godly Troublemaker".. Armenians run into problems with Christ's atoning work on the cross being perfect and also with God's Grace being effectual... People like to take passages that glorify Christ's work on the cross, and instead turn them upside down attempting to rob Christ of his perfect accomplishment and instead give part of his work to the "free will" of man. The further I get into my walk, the more God makes the consistent, reformed perspective evident to me. I go to a church that is not reformed and I'm beginning to wonder if it's the right church for me because the pastors sometimes say things that make me think they dont understand the Sovereignty of God.. The modern style of preaching also kindof causes me to turn a cheek.. One of the reasons I admire Jeff so much is that he regularly rejects the modern day Gospel. "Pastor, can we please have less stories about your kids and more bible?"- Steven Lawson
Calvinism is a different Gospel friend. It’s not some incantation that you speak into the air to see if God will bring a corpse to life.
Paul actually pleaded with people and tried to make them jealous. He tried to persuade them. You wouldn’t do that to a dead body.
@@evanu6579 Calvinism is indeed a very dangerous doctrine to teach.
Couldn’t have done it without Christ. I loved my sin.
Same I made a practice of it with zero repentence.
36:36 "Read John 10." Because your interpretation of John 10 is obviously the correct one? Question-begging.
38:28 Question-begging, and circular reasoning. Calvinism is true, to begin with. How do you know? Because the Bible teaches it. How do you know the Bible teaches Calvinism? Because Calvinism is true.
39:52 Millions of Christians throughout church history have read John 6, and Ephesians 1, and Romans 9, and all your favorite 'gotcha' proof-texts, and have not come to the conclusion you assume they teach. Are they all just stupid? Are they all dishonest? If those passages teach what you say they teach, does God want every Christian to understand them properly? If he does, why don't they? If he doesn't, why not?
40:04 See above.
41:14 "God mercies whom he wills, and he hardens whom he wills." You are assuming 'mercy' means 'effectually save' and 'harden' means 'effectually damn.' "And there is no injustice with God." On your view, God damns people to hell without any regard to the good or bad they do. Before he even creates them, they are already damned to hell for the way they were created. And God is fair and just to do this *just because,* and who are you, O man, to question him? You don't like to talk about this, and when confronted with it, you try to lawyer it away, or cry foul, but not once has any Calvinist, ever, provided a single reason why this is not true, in the Calvinistic system.
41:23 Paul is willing to give up his life for his fellow Jews. That sounds very Christ-like. Yet you are teaching, explicitly, that Christ did *not* give up his life for these hardened Jews. Why is Paul more willing to give up his life for the hardened Jews than Jesus was? This is another question I have never heard a single Calvinist provide a satisfactory, much less straight, answer for.
42:20 "I'd be willing to say this. There is not one person in this room, including me, who has ever prayed that prayer." Why not? Would you? If there was a "hardened" person in front of you, and you saw this person in their full, fallen, sin-stricken humanity, in need of a Christ who didn't die for him, what prayer would you pray? Do you mean to say that you would not have the slightest pity on this person, and just sigh in relief that *you're* not the one going to hell? What if, hypothetically, you *knew* your toddler son wasn't elect? Would you at least be *willing* to offer yourself in his place? If not, *why* not?
Well said.
I heard Vodie Bauchum once use the following illustration in so many words: Have you ever heard someone say that it's as though Jesus is above the water and he's reaching down to save you; if you would only reach up and grab a hold of him, he'd save you? Dead men don't grab.
Sooooo true.
Voddie is awesome
His grace is irresistible and the life preserver does not save us let alone our response.
The Blood water body and eternal living intercession of Christ Himself in the Holy of Holies saves sinners and turns them from their wicked ways and false idols and foreign gods.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon *all men* to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon *all men* unto justification of life.
{Romans 5:18}
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if *any man* sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for *our sins* and not for ours only, but also for the sins of *the whole world*
{1 John 2:1-2}
Proverbs 16:9 - The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.
“Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.”
Proverbs 19:21 👍
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Thank you Jeff, God has used you and Pastor and Dr James white to teach me and I'm now reformed. It's such a relief to know that I don't have anything to do with my Salvation, because I trust Jesus not myself. God bless you 🙏 and yes I am sharing it with my family and ithers.
You said “because I trust Jesus”.
Who were you trusting before you were reformed? You know that every Christian (reformed or not) is trusting Jesus. Otherwise they wouldn’t be a Christian.
Question for you. Do you believe that God ordains all things whatsoever come to pass as taught by Jeff and James W?
Tonya Comeaux If you chose to trust Jesus then you did play a role in your salvation.
Amen...“No unbelief made him(Abraham) waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, ❤️fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised❤️.That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.””
Romans 4:20-22
@@evanu6579 He said nothing wrong or inconsistent. Before he was trusting in himself to have been the one to determined if he is saved or not, and by that, he was trusting in himself for his security. Sounds like now he has realized that it is not of himself in anyway and that is 100% Jesus which brings a much more sound sense of security.
@@protruth1 he never said he chose to. What he said was perfectly fine and only isn't when YOU add his choosing. He simply said he is trusting Jesus. that is faith. He did NOT say it was of himself. I dont know why you people are trying to critique something that isn't there. Are you not trusting in Jesus?
Apologia Studios is the best Christian media out there! Love you guys and praying for all that you guys do for us lamen folk!
Pure EISEGESIS on scriptures out of context and making up meaning of words to suit TULIP heresy.
Heart Change; by Straight Up MONERGISM ~YHWH In YESHUA Alone
Thank you Brother Jeff for "no holds barred" preaching, and having the courage to tell it like it is...... straight from the mouth of our Lord Jesus....!!
SOLI DEO GLORIA....! Blessings from South Africa.!
This sounds cultish. I am no longer a follower of Jeff.
kudos to you.
God bless you sister.
lets stop beating around the bush and just tell them to read john chp 3 its explains everything to nico and us.
Thank you Apologia for going through this series!
Of course God is in charge and sovereign. That is why He has the right to set before us life and death and gives us the freedom to chose by our own free will which we want.
Deformed Theology or 5 Point Calvinism don't get that!
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,but whoever hates correction is stupid. 2Good people obtain favor from the Lord, but he condemns those who devise wicked schemes. Proverbs 12 1-2
Calvinism is a wicked scheme and Durbin is its teacher!
TRUTH IN LOVE
I agree, but want to discourage you from the harsh words. They are still brothers in Christ, they believe the gospel, Calvinism is a secondary issue. I believe it’s wrong, and sure, back that up, but calling a brother the teacher of a wicked scheme isn’t very loving. Just my opinion
@@marincusman9303 Calvinism is another gospel. It is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is:
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The gospel of the Calvinist:
"God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
“…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
The Holy Spirit tells me this is Heresy and a Doctrine of demons!
Perhaps another leading Reformed Calvinist John Piper will make you see the teaching of this man is from the devil .
John Piper stated:
God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
They the Calvinist has wormed their way into christian circles and have made weak Christians think that they are brothers and just another denomination! They are not.
Don't let your tolerance for heresy blind you. WE are commanded to expose these wolves who shipwreck the faith of many!!! They make god a monster!
Truth in love
If you are totally deprived and dead how can you be predestined? When you are born again your fate is miraculous TRANSFORMED!
Which most would say it’s impossible for ones fate to be change but WITH CHRIST ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE......Calvinism is just mans attempt to understand what he can not.....HIS WAYS ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND!
Or maybe you are TOTALLY NEW CREATION WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESTINATION
I don't follow Calvin, I am not a Presbyterian, I am not a Baptist, O am not Orthodox, etc... I am a folower of Chist!!
You have no clue what any of those things are because you dont know the person you want free gifts from
@@KeyboardWarriors-kj2tt ??
@@marisolmagana6862 exactly
Thank you for doing this.much appreciated.
14:42 By nature? As in Mother Nature? Or by nature as in that's how we were made by our creator?
15:17 "You were dead. Not sick, not wounded." Jesus describes lost people as sick (Matthew 9.12, Mark 2.17, Luke 5.31).
16:32 And that is why Derek Webb is now an atheist. You can shroud this stuff in as many layers of sophistry as you want, people like Derek Webb who had a crisis of faith, or myself who have been pessimists their whole lives, see right through this.
16:33 Dead people can't rebel.
16:53 Why don't Calvinists want to talk about the fact that God *made* us children of wrath? We didn't create ourselves. God did. We didn't choose our nature. We were born with it.
17:00 "If we're going to understand God's grace in salvation, and how glorious this gospel truly is--" It's only glorious, only good news, to the chosen few, on your system, Jeff. Even that is assuming those people don't have loved ones they know are headed for hell. I was 14 years old when I was able to take the implications of your systematic to their logical conclusions, and it was the most helpless and alone I have ever felt in my life.
18:09 "We are dead spiritually, and by nature children of wrath. We don't like to think about people like that." Why not? Why does having a view that most people in the world have no hope of salvation cause feelings of consternation in Christians, Jeff?
19:34 Jeff, if your system is true, the answer to every single one of those questions is yes. The elect *are* wiser, more spiritually sensitive, concerned with spiritual things. God *made* them that way, and that's why they believe. That is the implication of your system, whether you admit it or not. Assuming you are implying that literally every single person in your congregation will certainly be saved. Are you? Will every last one of them certainly be saved? Or will some fall away? If that is the case, I simply repeat the questions you asked rhetorically. Why are they there if they are not elect?
Im a carer working in a nursing home....and I'm blessed to share the Gospel with those who are depressed and lost...
I witnessed a man eyes light up last week when I told him God loved him.
A flicker of hope I saw....Yes....I can tell him this based on John 3:16....
Is it God's special covenant love that he has for his people and those he has chosen in Christ who will be saved Acts 13:48....
For this person...i don't know,however,God's universal love for sinners is real ...otherwise having Jesus work through those of us with a heart for the lost is pointless.
Thank you so much for this message, Bro. Jeff. Praise God that there is no such thing as meaningless evil in our lives. Praise Jesus Christ our Lord 💛
Too bad that God is behind all of that evil (according to Calvinism). He ordained it all to happen right down to the letter. You can’t twitch or blink an eye unless God has ordered it from before the foundation of the world.
So do you think that God looker down through time to see what you would do so that He could order them before the foundation of the world,
Or are your every moves coincidentally lining up with every preordained prescription that God made before the foundation of the world,
Or is God meticulously controlling your every move to line up exactly as He decreed?
What about the rapist and murderer? How do they fulfill every thing to the smallest grunt when they rape a child or the exact motion when they thrust a knife into their victim, precisely as Hod decreed them to do? Is it by chance or does God manipulate their every move?
This is Calvinism btw. This is what you believe if you follow Durbin. (That’s if you answered that God manipulates every last one of us).
Yes the meaningful evil of the little boys and girls getting raped by grown men, thank God for that happening. It means so much to whomever it saves. I have no doubt it helps some and I can't pretend to know anything much less some things but that doesn't seem right does it?
Keep em coming pastor Jeff/Dr. White. As someone who adheres to reformed theology, I am going to love and appreciate this series.
I believe Open Theism (which is about as far away from Calvinism as possible) and I'm excited for this series. Going into this with an open mind. :) I really respect Jeff and I'm interested to hear his points.
Where do you stand now? 😊
@bradgarcia716 Still an open theist, unfortunately 😂
All I can say is wow! Glory be to God! Thank you Jeff for being a mouthpiece for God.
Shoutout to Robert Barclay the great Quaker Theologian who refuted Calvinism in his Apologia
"First we may call this doctrine(Calvinism) a novelty, seeing that for the first four hundred years after christ there is no mention of it. The first foundations for it were in the writings of Augustine, who, in his warring against Pelagius, let fall some expressions which some have unhappily picked up to the establishment of this error."
Just remember, brothers, all of these quarrels about doctrine neither save nor condemn. But only worship in spirit and truth, believing and proclaiming that Christ is our King, that he died and rose again. I love the brother's passion.
So no need to defend the doctrine of the resurrection?
@@friendlyfire7509 these quarrels neither save nor condemn. Now, brother, if you need to defend in spirit and truth then by all means, do so. I suppose you could call The Resurrection a doctrine but it is, to me, The Truth which I can't deny. But I think that most church doctrine is neither here nor there and hasn't much to do with worshipping in Spirit and Truth.
Calvinism is another gospel. It is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is:
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The gospel of the Calvinist:
"God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
“…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
The Holy Spirit tells me this is Heresy and a Doctrine of demons!
Perhaps another leading Reformed Calvinist John Piper will make you see the teaching of this man is from the devil .
John Piper stated:
God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
They the Calvinist has wormed their way into christian circles and have made weak Christians think that they are brothers and just another denomination! They are not.
Don't let your tolerance for heresy blind you. WE are commanded to expose these wolves who shipwreck the faith of many!!! They make god a monster!
Truth in love
ok lets get down to brass tax. why did God create the world and humans if he knew before hand what Adam was going to do? the WHY????? and dont give me the first point of the WCF either. its vague...... and dont give me the Job thing either. I know my ways are not your ways
My great (x7) grandfather was John Brown, he was a calvinist. Look him up on Google. When Jeff says some of the most important people in history have been calvinist, Id agree. Had he not been calvinist, i dont know that i would have entertained the predestination interpretation.
wrong
God decided it all. Your ancestor was put there for a purpose but he will not lose one and no one will force themselves on Him. 😊
@@QuakerTaker Wrong? What are you talking about. Lol. Calm down.
Amen. GOD is completely sovereign.
Maximos Smith those men were not sovereign like God. God had complete power over them in their “reign”
Evan U
Not in Calvinism, He isn’t. He must bow to the dictates of their doctrine. They’ve fenced God in.
Evan U the question doesn’t make sense. The question wouldn’t be “is He sovereign enough to grant free will” It’d be “did He do it that way? “ and yes God gave men free will but He reigns over their free will. That’s why you should read the Bible. And 1 as 2 Kings and see how God Rose up a nation to destroy another for being wicked
Byron Loves
Why were they wicked? Did God ordain for them to be wicked?
Evan U romans 9 has a very clear answer for u .. yet God is righteous Himself
While I absolutely believe God causes/ordains/determines some things. I don’t believe He causes everything to happen. In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "People built high places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind."
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
By the way, the Calvinist will often quote Jesus, "No one can come to me unless the Father draws him." I agree. BUT, it says "unless the Father draws him." It does NOT say unless the Father CAUSES him or FORCES him to come to Christ.
3:50 I Agree lets look into Leviticus 23 and see what God really wants us to celebrate
Such a wonderful ending to this sermon!
These guys talk about God as if he's some mean gnarly old great uncle who chucks em the odd peanut now and again... it's like a competition for who can say SOVERIGN the most..
And the 2024 award for saying the word SOVERIGN goes to Dr James White..
Bore off
though i believe Calvinism is right, but this sermon really cuts me deep! 🙇🏻♂️
Jesus answers who the Father draws - the one who *_BELIEVES_* Jesus/Gospel, the Father draws and gives to the Son:
THE FATHER DOES NOT GIVE *_UNBELIEVERS_* TO THE SON
John 6:63-66
... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[64] *_But there are some of you that believe not._* For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, ...
[65] ... *_Therefore_* ... *_no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father._*
[66] *_From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him._*
THE FATHER ONLY GIVES *_BELIEVERS_* TO THE SON
John 6:67-68 KJV
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, *_Will ye also go away?_*
[68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
John 6:69 KJV
And *_we believe_* and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father *through sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ* Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
{1 Peter 1:2}
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning *chosen you to salvation THROUGH sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth*
{2 Thessalonians 2:13}
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, *He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me* hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
{John 5:24}
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, *because he hath not believed* in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
{John 3:18}
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, *that the Gentiles by my mouth should HEAR the word of the gospel, and BELIEVE*
And God, *which knoweth the hearts* bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
{Acts 15:7-9}
When the righteous *turneth away* from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
{Ezekiel 18:24}
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that *the wicked turn from his way and live* turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
{Ezekiel 33:11}
Calvinism creates and emboldens evil men. It is a view that significantly differs from Christianity. This movement is Satan's vehicle to remove zealousness in good works and love in our hearts.
Matthew 25:33-46
[33]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Calvinism is utterly false He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance 2 pet 3:9 explain this calvinist
He will gather his elect frim the 4 winds
You have never left your cult compound you have never met a real calvinist
How does the Calvinist explain Joshua saying, "Choose you this day whom you will serve?" Or 2Peter 3:9 saying, "The Lord is not...willing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance?" Knowing full well that most are on the broad road leading to destruction. Or Jeremiah 19:5 where God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” Or Revelation 22:17 where it says, " Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who WISHES take the free gift of the water of life." Or Deuteronomy 30:10 where it says, " I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live?"@@KeyboardWarriors-kj2tt
You're wrong
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, *by the word of God* which liveth and abideth for ever.
{1 Peter 1:23}
In whom also we [Ephesians] have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated *according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will*
That we [Christ Apostles] should be to the praise of his glory, *who first trusted in Christ*
In whom ye also trusted, *after* that ye *heard the word of truth* the gospel of your salvation: in whom also *after that ye believed* ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
{Ephesians 1:11-14}
When Jeff speaks about Paul wishing himself damned if it meant the salvation of others, is there any issue with this?
Tbh I have had these thoughts about myself in context of the salvation of my wife and children, but have also thought to myself does this mean I am loving them more than God? Or is this an act of obedience to God by loving them as Jesus loved us by being willing to die if it means they would be saved?
I ask this humbly for wisdom because I desire to love the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength and also want to have no other God’s before Him.
Thanks for preaching the good news Jeff!!!
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: *on them which fell, severity* but toward thee, goodness, *if* thou 👉continue in his goodness: *otherwise thou also shalt be cut off*
And they [Jew] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again*
{Romans 11:22-23}
When for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye *have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God* and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
{Hebrews 5:12-14}
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you *life and death* blessing and cursing: therefore *choose life* that both thou and thy seed may live:
{Deuteronomy 30:19}
Calvinism is wrong ... just look at the history of Calvins Geneva (hope I spelled that right ).
not trying to be nitpicky, but if you know any theologian of any inclination that has a perfect record and never did/said anything dubious, please point them out. As far as I know, Jesus Christ alone is without blame.
Can you give evidence, no.
finally we are looking at the bible from Gods perspective...
I guess I can post. I marvel that from a seven-year old headed to agnosticism thru all the things, I find myself teaching that dirty Calvinism and gasp I actually read him too! Tulip likely was a shorthand from the nineteenth century but the outline helps systematize the basic doctrines of G-d's grace.
It really baffles me how this calvinistic pastor uses the terms "God allows" or "God lets" certain things to happen when his system clearly states that God decrees every single event that comes to pass. Or when God mocks certain people, for instance, is He mocking what He Himself has decreed those people to do/think? Without the calvinistic lenses, the Scripture makes much more sense. Doesn't need to be the dichotomy calvinism/arminianism necessarily when interpreting the Word of God
Could people with their babies not stay for the entire congregation to try and listen past?…🤦♂️🙏🤷♂️
Love Jeff durbin
so Jeff, you say nothing is impossible with God then why do you guys have such a problem with God being able to juggle free will, and still being sovereign? I guess the God of the Bible is much more powerful than yours, because He gave His Son for the sins of all who would repent and believe in Him, gave us free will to accept that gift, and is still sovereign and in control. Obviously, He is much more loving too.
Great teaching Pastor Durbin!! Thank you!
Good message bro -
Love to here the KJB too ✌️😎
Need a church plant out in ID🙏
Idaho joe
2 John 1:6. KJB
Excellent message!
I understand that god chooses who he leads to christ but does calvinism believe that it is still the persons choice to believe or is faith a work of god that we have no choice in?
Solid preaching! Praise God brother!
How can most people in history be Saved if we have the wide and narrow gate?
Christians have been deceived by the first antichrist. See Jesuswordsonly.com.
Please read this verse before accepting Calvinism - (1 Timothy 2:3-4) “This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
What do you think of the scripture saying that God creates the wicked for their day of judgement? Or when God says that he creates vessels of destruction as well as vessels of mercy.
I don't identify as a Calvinist, just a believer trying to go deeper with the scriptures
@@emmanuelmoses7249 1 John 3:9 King James Version
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
All people does not mean all individuals. You have to keep in mind that for millenia, God's provision and Salvation was only for the Jews and nation of Israel, so it is said many times in many was in the epistles that this is for Jew and Gentile. "All people" or "the world" are just different ways of saying that it is for all nations, all people groups, but not every individual human being. God clearly did not want Pharaoh to relent and turn to him, he literally raised him up and hardened his heart. Esau was hated in the womb before he ever took his first breath.
How does the Calvinist explain Joshua saying, "Choose you this day whom you will serve?" Or 2Peter 3:9 saying, "The Lord is not...willing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance?" Knowing full well that most are on the broad road leading to destruction. Or Jeremiah 19:5 where God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” Or Revelation 22:17 where it says, " Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who WISHES take the free gift of the water of life." Or Deuteronomy 30:10 where it says, " I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live?"
Did anybody hear that voice in the background.
good it took me decades to go from cults to calvinism
I get hung up a little on 2 petter 3:9
(the lord) “not willing that any perish, but for all to come to repentance”. So irresistible grace, Calvin misses me on that one. Studap is good tho.
All whom the Lord saves will not perish. It's not speaking of every single sinner who's ever lived or will live. It's speaking about God's elect. The majority of salvivic scripture focuses on the elect rather than every single person. That's also the primary focus of Christ "all whom the Father has given me"
I find it interesting that i find myself a 0/5 pt TULIP Calvinist... but agree and really resonate with almost everything pastor Durbin says. Great message! Very well done. Pastor Durbin has such a gift for articulating the truths in Gods Word.
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Road to Amascus?? Hmm
We are preordained or predestined TO CONFORM TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF JESUS! We have Free Will. He gives us that....CHOICE. WE CHOOSE GOOD OR EVIL.
SaintNomad
Did Paul desire to do good?.....
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Sounds like fallen man can want to be right with God.
@@evanu6579 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@tricord2939
Yeah.
Rom 3:27 ¶ Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Eph.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation Is the gift because it’s by grace through faith and not of works.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 ¶ But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
So faith isn’t a work and because we’re justified by faith and not works, that makes salvation a gift. That’s what Eph 2 is obviously saying. Follow the Greek.
Rom 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Faith is our access to grace and not the other way around. If God gave us faith then grace would be our access to faith. Calvinism is backwards and opposite of what the bible says. You only believe it because you were taught to read it into the bible.
Take care.
@@evanu6579 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Your new age interpretation was foreign to the Apostle.
The Basics:. Acts 16:31 "..Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (NOW!) and thou shalt be saved". Don't believe and you won't be. Why wouldn't the myriads of similar verses in the Bible not say "and those chosen to believe at creation will be saved"? Because it would be an accursed predestined different gospel! Those that do believe are predestined to be conformed to Christ's image. Believe and trust the Bible, not men!
God is SO sovereign that He wrote the whole story of human history before time and we are all the characters in His Epic novel. Now God is directing every minute detail, every moment was written in His book before we live it and all things come to pass just as written. Our problem is,we have no idea what's on the next page.
Do you believe the torment in the lake of fire will be literally endless?
@@nikokapanen82 That's what the Bible says and Jesus said,if your eye causes you to sin,pluck it out or your hand causes you to sin,cut it off,better to enter Heaven maimed than to enter Hell whole.That's pretty radical.Men go to Hell for their sin and all men sin with knowledge that they are sinning.So if God has saved you from your sin,rejoice.
@@CBALLEN
So you believe God planned it from the beginning for most people to scream, mourn, weep, cry in horror and the flames of fire forever and ever?
@@nikokapanen82
Does God know all things? Yes
Did anyone force God to create who He created or did He create who He was pleased to create? He created what pleased Him.
Did God know who His people were and who would go to Hell before He created them? Of course
So since God knew the sheep and the goats before He created them and if He created certain people they would indeed end up in Hell,doesn't it make sense that this was His plan? Absolutely
Is God ever wrong? Never.
@@CBALLEN
It is true that God uses certain people for his purpose. Romans 9:17.
It is also true that God is not a respecter of persons, just and right is he. Deuteronomy 10:17; 32:4. Acts 10:34.
If you look closely, Pharaoh was capable of hardening his own heart, and "sinned yet more". Exodus 8:32; 9:34. Furthermore, he had a frog fetish. "To morrow" Exodus 8:9-10.
God didn't just make Pharaoh do what he did, He helped Pharaoh do what he did.
"Does God know all things?"
I wouldn't try to place any boundary on God.
"Did God know who His people were and who would go to Hell before He created them?"
That's a fair question.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven (SPACE) and the earth (MATTER).
If God created existence, then God is not contingent on existence. Time began in Genesis, and it exists for our benefit, not His. Therefore, I have a question.
Is God restricted to linear time?
You and I are stuck in the present, but God is not subservient to His creation.
From that perspective, the beginning and the end of time and everything in between is visible in the eyes of God. Back to your question.
"Did God know who His people were and who would go to Hell before He created them?"
Better than that. He can see them going to hell right now as it happens.
He can see our birth right now as it happens and he can see our funeral right now as it happens.
Therefore, while predestination is true, how much do we understand it?
The part where Jeff is like “you’re immortal!” I instantly thought of that key and peele skit where the athlete is giving his interview after winning the game and he’s like “kids! If you believe you can fly, you can do it! Go home and jump off of your roof, you literally can fly!” Lol
In other news, love this series so much, really blessed my wife and I a couple years ago and I’ve just passed it along to a buddy of mine who was recently saved. Happy reformation day ‘23!
I love Jeff Durban. But if he loved and defended Sid Roth, Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn, would he be considered to be credible what do ever? I just do not understand why Michael Brown yes considered to be a Christian but you will debate with him over many important things. If he is going to be sitting at the right hand of the Father just like you are, why debate or try to correct him????? I am truly not trying to be controversial. But I truly do not understand. And if Arminians are going to be in heaven right beside someone who believes as Calvin did why debate them and why I try to correct them?
On the, "no one here has prayed that prayer; 'LORD Send me to Hell if They'd be Saved'", i Do Know one Man (May YHWH Bless HIS Ol Soul) who has prayed that prayer in this generation; LORD Send me to Hell if They'de be Saved! This person has been enrolled in YaHWeH'S School of Sufferring for many years and maybe that has something to do with GOD'S Gracious Gifts of LOVE and Faith in Them. i say this to let You all Know, that that wasn't just Paul, and there may very well be someone that Sacrificially Loving in the Holy ASSEMBLY, right there -or, reading this right now! Keep Perseverin'
Amen. Give God the glory.
But the wheat and the chaff, being inanimate and irrational, have been made such by nature. But man, being endowed with reason, and in this respect like to God, having been made free in his will, and with power over himself, is himself the cause to himself, that sometimes he becomes wheat, and sometimes chaff. Wherefore also he shall be justly condemned, because, having been created a rational being, he lost the true rationality, and living irrationally, opposed the righteousness of God, giving himself over to every earthly spirit, and serving all lusts; as says the prophet, “Man, being in honor, did not understand: he was assimilated to senseless beasts, and made like to them.” Irenaeus (A.D. 180) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.1 pg.466
No doubt, if any one is unwilling to follow the Gospel itself, it is in his power [to reject it], but it is not expedient. For it is in man’s power to disobey God, and to forfeit what is good; but [such conduct] brings no small amount of injury and mischief. And on this account Paul says, “All things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient;” referring both to the liberty of man, in which respect “all things are lawful,” God exercising no compulsion in regard to him; and [by the expression] “not expedient” pointing out that we “should not use our liberty as a cloak of maliciousness, for this is not expedient….If then it were not in our power to do or not to do these things, what reason had the apostle, and much more the Lord Himself, to give us counsel to do some things, and to abstain from others? But because man is possessed of free will from the beginning, and God is possessed of free will, in whose likeness man was created, advice is always given to him to keep fast the good, which thing is done by means of obedience to God.Irenaeus (A.D. 180) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.1 pg. 519
And not merely in works, but also in faith, has God preserved the will of man free and under his own control, saying, “According to your faith be it unto you;” thus showing that there is a faith specially belonging to man, since he has an opinion specially his own. And again, “All things are possible to him that believes;” and, “Go your way; and as you has believed, so be it done unto you.” Now all such expressions demonstrate that man is in his own power with respect to faith. And for this reason, “he that believes in Him has eternal life while he who believes not the Son has not eternal life, but the wrath of God shall remain upon him.” In the same manner therefore the Lord, both showing His own goodness, and indicating that man is in his own free will and his own power, said to Jerusalem, “How often have I wished to gather your children together, as a hen [gathers] her chickens under her wings, and you would not! Wherefore your house shall be left unto you desolate.” Irenaeus (A.D. 180) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.1 pg. 519
The Logos, too, before the creation of men, was the Framer of angels. And each of these two orders of creatures was made free to act as it pleased, not having the nature of good, which again is with God alone, but is brought to perfection in men through their freedom of choice, in order that the bad man may be justly punished, having become depraved through his own fault, but the just man be deservedly praised for his virtuous deeds, since in the exercise of his free choice he refrained from transgressing the will of God. Tatian (A.D.160) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.2 pg.67
Die to the world, repudiating the madness that is in it. Live to God, and by apprehending Him lay aside your old nature. We were not created to die, but we die by our own fault. Our free-will has destroyed us; we who were free have become slaves; we have been sold through sin. Nothing evil has been created by God; we ourselves have manifested wickedness; but we, who have manifested it, are able again to reject it. Tatian (A.D.160) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.2 pg.69-70
From us, then, are demanded the things which are in our own power, and of the things which pertain to us, both present and absent, the choice, and desire, and possession, and use, and permanence. Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 195) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.2 pg.536-537
not, because you will not - for that you can if you will He has shown, because He has proposed each to your free-will - you ought to depart from Him whose will you do not.Tertullian (A.D. 198) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.4 pg.71
Let us begin, then, with those words which were spoken to Pharaoh, who is said to have been hardened by God, in order that he might not let the people go; and, along with his case, the language of the apostle also will be considered, where he says, “Therefore He has mercy on whom He will, and whom He will He hardens.” For it is on these passages chiefly that the heretics rely, asserting that salvation is not in our own power, but that souls are of such a nature as must by all means be either lost or saved; and that in no way can a soul which is of an evil nature become good, or one which is of a virtuous nature be made bad… If we can show, e.g., that by one and the same act God has pity upon one individual, but hardens another; not purposing or desiring that he who is hardened should be so, but because, in the manifestation of His goodness and patience, the heart of those who treat His kindness and forbearance with contempt and insolence is hardened by the punishment of their crimes being delayed; while those, on the other hand, who make His goodness and patience the occasion of their repentance and reformation, obtain compassion…Now it is not incorrect to say that the sun, by one and the same power of its heat, melts wax indeed, but dries up and hardens mud: not that its power operates one way upon mud, and in another way upon wax; but that the qualities of mud and wax are different, although according to nature they are one thing, both being from the earth. In this way, then, one and the same working upon the part of God, which was administered by Moses in signs and wonders, made manifest the hardness of Pharaoh, which he had conceived in the intensity of his wickedness but exhibited the obedience of those other Egyptians who were intermingled with the Israelites, and who are recorded to have fled Egypt at the same time with the Hebrews…”Despisest the riches of His goodness, and forbearance, and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? but, after your hardness and impenitent heart, treasure up unto yourself wrath on the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.” Such are the words of the apostle to him who is in his sins. Let us apply these very expressions to Pharaoh, and see if they also are not spoken of him with propriety, since, according to his hardness and impenitent heart, he treasured and stored up for himself wrath on the day of wrath, inasmuch as his hardness could never have been declared and manifested, unless signs and wonders of such number and magnificence had been performed. Origen (A.D. 248) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.4 pg.308-312
o show more clearly, however, what we mean, let us take the illustration employed by the Apostle Paul in the Epistle to the Hebrews, where he says, “For the earth, which drinks in the rain that comes oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, will receive blessing from God; but that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing, whose end is to be burned.” Now from those words of Paul which we have quoted, it is clearly shown that by one and the same act on the part of God - that being by which He sends rain upon the earth - one portion of the ground, when carefully cultivated, brings forth good fruits; while another, neglected and uncared for, produces thorns and thistles…Now, although it is due to the beneficial action of the rain that the earth has produced herbs of both kinds, it is not to the rain that the diversity of the herbs is properly to be ascribed; but on those will justly rest the blame for the bad seed, who, although they might have turned up the ground by frequent ploughing, and have broken the clods by repeated harrowing, and have extirpated all useless and noxious weeds, and have cleared and prepared the fields for the coming showers by all the labor and toil which cultivation demands, have nevertheless neglected to do this, and who will accordingly reap briers and thorns, the most appropriate fruit of their sloth…Let us therefore view those signs and miracles which were done by God, as the showers furnished by Him from above; and the purpose and desires of men, as the cultivated and uncultivated soil, which is of one and the same nature indeed, as is every soil compared with another, but not in one and the same state of cultivation. From which it follows that every one’s will, if untrained, and fierce, and barbarous, is either hardened by the miracles and wonders of God, growing more savage and thorny than ever, or it becomes more pliant, and yields itself up with the whole mind to obedience, if it be cleared from vice and subjected to training. Origen (A.D. 248) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.4 pg.310-311
For this cause, therefore, a mediator came - that is, God in the flesh - that the flesh might be able to follow Him, and that He might rescue man from death, which has dominion over the flesh. Therefore He clothed Himself with flesh, that the desires of the flesh being subdued, He might teach that to sin was not the result of necessity, but of man’s purpose and will. Methodius (A.D. 311) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.6 pg.127
Seeing myself as a lost sheep, just out there going wherever I may wander, not knowing that I was even lost is how I came to believe in this doctrine. I certainly didn't call out to the shepherd to come find me! But He certainly left the 99 to come find me! When He found me, I chose to go and be with Him. But that's all did. I now believe that He in fact knew already that I would receive Him and that's why He came to find me to begin with!
I think everyone (Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant) who has been born anew by the Holy Spirit into Christ and has come to know the love of the Father, knows the absolute primacy of Grace in however we got to that point, and from that point on in our walk with Him. In light of certain Roman corruptions the 5 "solas" were sincerely and slowly formulated. Unfortunately, throughout Church History, reactions to heretical ideas often end up being overreactions and fall into equal error in the other direction. "Calvinism" is clearly (of John Calvin's own admission) founded upon Augustinianism. Calvin added the novel "Perseverance of the Saints" / "Once saved always saved" doctrine which deviated massively from Augustine's view of persevearance.
Augustine would have held to one, possibly two of the TULIP but he would have rejected Sola Scriptura and the wayward determinism (meticulous) of John Calvin and Co later on it history. The post apostolic Apostolic early Church did not suddenly apostatize and then the truth was picked up (somehow) by Augustine and stuck on steroids at the Reformation; no, Augustine is the one who added novelties to the already existing view and consensus of the first three centuries regarding predestination and election. (via the influence of his fatalistic dualistic manichean past). That early consensus has also carried on down to this day in all the Eastern churches and in a majority of the Western ones too! X