My customers issue was a bad coil, replaced, and a month later the new coil went bad which was, fortunately covered, since she knew them and was a great talker. Further, the valve-pan cover gasket was leaking oil into the spark plug area and shorting the plugs out causing the random misfire. Finally, the (braided?)ground-wire from body to the motor was weak (copper was heat-burnt looking, brittle, and easily resolved with replacing and cleaning surfaces. This Honda engine was easy to work on and I appreciate learning new tips from your videos. I have the 720Pro and do back-yard stuff and appreciate learning new techniques to make diagnostics faster to save me work and customers money.
I have an 06 Honda Ridgeline with 240K miles throwing the same codes. My mechanic has had the vehicle 3 times and hasn't been able to resolve. This video makes all the sense in the world to me and I appreciate the detail in presentation and clarity in communicating the lesson. Most of all, I now have a direction for repair with confidence that the problem will be resolved. Well done Sir and thank you!
Hey Pat, sorry to hear your mechanic has been failing you! Glad we could help you with this video. Thanks for watching :) Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Any update on your problem and/or repair? I’ve got same codes (and random misfires) on my 06 Ridgeline with 130k miles. Dealer replaced timing belt, water pump and did the valves. (I replaced all plugs, coils, and pcv valve with OEM parts). Still get random misfires occasionally (cleaned EGR channels but not EGR valve). Help!
Jose yes I ran a couple of bottles of Redline Fuel Injector Cleaners in two consecutive tanks of gas. I couldn’t get the bolts loose on the EGR valve do I haven’t cleaned it or checked it yet. But I just left my indy Honda Acura repair shop-they loosened them hand tight for me! I’ll remove the valve and clean it after the engine cools down later tonight. I cleaned the EGR holes at the top side of engine and I think I loosened a piece of carbon that has stuck the EGR valve open which I’ve read online can cause a lean signal to the computer due to too much O2 and then computer adds more fuel to compensates, hence my lean code and running rich codes and misfires upon cold startup. That’s my guess. Will update.
as a Honda technician myself i couldnt be more happier with the video and illustration of steps, forsure going to subscribe but also add that you couldnt be more on point with the direction, and i gained a few new ways still, thank you
Great video Mike! Lots of lessons to be learned here! Very professionally presented,explained and edited! We are dealing with highly skilled and professional people here,make no mistake about it folks! Thanks again for all you do for us!
What a great video! My 2003 Honda Pilot is throwing error codes for cylinders 4,5,6, and the "general misfire" as well. We bought the car with 100,000 miles on it, and the service records show plugs were done, so I was suspecting a stick coil, but now I think it is the valve adjustment. I don't have the diagnostic gear you do, but I was really impressed with your thorough, logical approach. Nice work!
I want to thank you so much for making this video. I'm in the same boat with my 2005 EX-L, which ironically is identical to the one in your video. After 2 Honda dealerships and an independent shop gave me the run around, I had almost given up hope that a proper diagnostics could be done. Going back to said "lazy" dealership #1 armed with my new knowledge and pray that it hasn't been going on long enough that it's burnt a valve. Oh well, if it has, they'll be fixing that, too....thank goodness for extended warranties! Now I'm going to watch the rest of this series!
Thanks Alicia! I hope you have better luck the second time around. Always better to go at it armed with information. Good luck! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
I have a 2007 Honda Polit with a P0302 code and came across your video as I was looking to see how to proceed on my Honda. In short I was so very impressed by your presentation and knowledge, so much so that I watched all 3 parts. A valve adjustment is way over my head and the tools I have to diagnose or fix, but you did provide me with the knowledge to go to my mechanic and know what to ask about if a valve adjustment is required. Can't say enough - GREAT video. Thanks
lol, its not like rebuilding a transmission. The tools needed… $3 feeler gauge from auto parts store $5 allen wrench set $10 socket set from harbor freight. And A small amount of brain power to remember how an intake manifold and valve covers go back on. Its not hard to do,, but it does take a while and is kinda tedious to adjust 24valves. (usually, only the 12 exaust valves). But its pretty easy to do and check them yourself for peace of mind. (without all that fancy waveform devices.) especially if you know they are due, because you haven't had them checked in like “ never” or “forever” +100k miles ago.
Me: No way I'm going to watch a 40 minute video about a misfire Me 40 minutes later: Damn, I learned something, I want to see if this actually works in part 2.
First-time viewer. Super impressed with Mike's knowledge and presentation (I'm a professor, if he were my student, he'd be getting an A). My '06 Odyssey with 220k just threw these exact codes and has the exact same slight roughness at idle. Mike's diagnosis is the bomb. And, he showed me that the proper diagnosis is something that I don't have the time or tools to do. If I go in and have someone like Mike come to me with this kind of information, I'd be totally confident to make the decision as to whether or not to put money into this old van (oh, mine also needs struts, axles, and a couple of other things). Cheers.
Glad i found this, I'll look for the rest and follow. This is most likely one of the problems I'm having right now with my '04 3.5 Pilot. My thoughr on your question was the time would shorten.
@@MatthewDurant-eh1ov Turns out I also had a bad front seal which I feel helped blow a cylinder. (I cheaped out on oil till I was able to fix problem, never got to it.) I am in the slow process of changing engine, I have to many projects going on.
Fantastic video and great explanations. Anyone fixing cars needs to understand the underlying fundamentals. New subscriber(also master/L1) grateful for some refreshers. As the diagnostician at my shop, I break the scope out on occasion, but this ticket also shines a light on some of the problems with boots on the ground and flatrate. At this point with a Honda + miss on front bank, I'd just sell the adjust. If I was wrong my shop would (yes, really!) eat the labor. If you eat 2 out 100 you still come out way ahead. For the FNGs out there, further general confirmation can be had by holding a paper to the tailpipe on a Honda and feeling for a pulse. With this particular car it likely wouldn't be absolutely conclusive given the specs, but this issue is seen across all Hondas with adjustable valves and a sure tell on the 4 cylinders. Re: Cam gears not installed on shafts correctly. This has become more common as more manufacturers use press fit cam gears instead of pins. If you get one of these in, step one is to have the owner asked if the car worked on recently. On something like a Mazda 3 installing the crank pin tool and pulling the valve cover to install the cam bar is generally going to be faster than breaking out the scope and navigating the schematic to find your pin hook ups. You are absolutely right about spark plug choice. Gotta see NGK or Denso. Can't count the number of cars I've fixed by pulling out a brand new set of +4s or splitfires and installing the OEM plug. Great video, thanks.
Hey A B, glad to have you on board!!! Welcome to the channel! All valid tests man, I can tell you've lived the life for a while :) I despise these press on gears. I had a 3.5 EB F-150 that the cam reluctor shifted on the cam...stupid issues that shouldn't really happen but they do. It's amazing how good some of these companies are at marketing their "special designs." There is a reason why NGK has the most OE market share and those "others" have little to none! Again, thanks for watching! Looking forward to more great comments from you. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Fantastic video, Mike. One of the best explanations and analysis of the waveform I've seen. Hope you enjoy doing those back exhaust valves...Always gives me a sore chest by the time I'm done with one of these.
My 2010 3.5 V6 coupe rear exhaust valves are chattering like a baby’s rattle I jut got to get my lazy ass out there and do them on a good day off work 😳😳😳
Hey Wyatt, thanks man! Sometimes a visual is the best way to explain a complex theory. I hope it all came across in a sensible manner like it did in my head...haha! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Mike if i could I would give you 10 thumbs ups! This is one of my weak points in engine diagnostics, and this is by far the best explanation of ICPT I have ever watched!! Thanks so much
This is great education I don't work on cars for a living but love using UA-cam to learn about stuff I think that pico is worth 10x it's weight in gold for how portable it is and what it can do
Three excellent videos and excellent presentation. Very well put together especially if you own a Honda with a 3.5 like I do. Best presentation I've seen. Thank you
Great lesson Mike! My '05 Oddy was trouble free with 180kmi on it. Never adjusted valves. Amazing engines, valve adjustment necessity aside! On to part 2.
Awesome video. When I took my hands on scope class we were supposed to use the pressure transducer but we ran out of time. Call that you made a video about it. Keep up the good work mike
Hi Mike. I have 2013 MDX. It has s misfire in cylinder 5. My error code is P0305. 240,000 kms on it So I have done the following 1) Swapped Coil and Plug from cylinder 5 to 6, code remained P0305 2) Tried Seafoam, Redline S1 and Mystery Motor Oil treatment in fuel tank and Engine, issue did not resolve. 3) I got compression test done and it showed low compression in Cylinder 5 120 PSI vs 170 PSI in cylinder 4. Then I got an auto body shop to do all 6 comparative compression test and it came compression is only 25% in cylinder 5 and approximately 75% in cylinder 6. Cylinder 1,4,2 were 100%, cylinder 3 was 92% 4. I took it to Acura and got valve adjustment done, they said it was loose intake valve. It made engine sound alot better and I felt it got power but misfire still shows in p0305. I watched your video and have read forums. Now I am not sure what to try or do next. Any advice and help will be great. What do I try next?
Gotta be careful of cylinder wash if the vehicle dont shut down injector like some do when have a misfire. Great to see the Wps out and being used. Always glad to see videos from you great Job. Im sure you already know about the fuel injector best to unplug if possible its more for others but you may have stated as im still watching.
Hey Mike, that makes sense. Too much time running could wash it out. I did not unplug the injector on this one. Hard to say if the PCM realized it was missing and cut the injector. I suppose I could have checked that. If I remember right the injectors were very hard to get to on this 3.5. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
VERY informative young man! ive seen this many times. ive sold valve adjustments on these and misfires still happen... Honda has a class action lawsuit on this engine. Ive heard the rings crap out on them. Honda puts a new long block in them and valve job and adjustment on them... kinda messy... also the valve cover plug well seals leak oil into the plug well tube and does the same thing.... its like pissing in a fan.....
Hey Mike, thanks for watching! Yeh, i've heard about the rings being bad. I think that's on 2010 and up though. 2006 wasn't too much of an issue for that. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for watching Brittany, fish bite misfire is a great way to describe this customers complaint. Well said! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Mike, Great visual with the power point (: Been using the In Cylinder transducers for some time now and MAN what a game changer it is. Couldn't imagine not having it at this point. Really look forward to seeing your take on using the transducers. SO many different thing you can do with them. Lots to learn too. Thanks Mike, another awesome video. Now onto part 2 Lol.. and YES a big change will happen. My guess is 15 to 20 degrees Cheers
Hey Kevin! Thanks!!!! It is a game changer. I love these waveforms. I learn something new with every single one I capture! Thanks as always for watching, and your input! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Awesome information and how clear the problem description was presented and 100% sure how fix that problem. Thanks. I’m very impressed with your profesional ethic
WOW! This is freakin' awesome Mike!!! When I started watching your video, I have a WELLS t-shirt show up, then my new PICO shows up. WOOHOO!!! But now after watching your video all the way through I realize, now I'll have to get a pressure transducer and I haven't even taken the PICO out of the box yet. Hard to keep up with you big dogs. LOL. This is a great video Mike. Really looking forward to part 2.
No. If I had no tools whatsoever, I would have done well on that one. Since I have a lot of tools already, It wasn't worth it to me for the monies they were going for. All the scantools had 2010 coverage. Mine is 2017. And some items didn't work so. But always looking.
Ouch 2010 coverage is no good. Cost to update is almost as much as some new tools. Always looking is right, I am too! It's harder for you in Canada I suppose. There are a ton of Facebook groups selling used tools and equipment here in the states...you have similar groups in Canada? Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Nice one Mike, I'm presently experiencing the same issue but yet to conclude it's the valves. Because mine starts working well then suddenly changes mode by flashing lights and disables three plugs hence vibrating.
Hey, thanks for watching! If the check engine light is flashing, you have a damaging misfire occouring. You're losing 3 cylinders at a time? Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Damn good video Mike..Damn Good!!!! This was very educational, informative, and professional, you could have sold this job to me for a quick $3000 bucks lol.. You know what you are doing and you know what you are talking about... Damn Good job brother.. I most definitely will be tuning back in with you tomorrow.. Thank you for sharing and caring... You rock Boss...
The exhaust valves on my 2010 Odyssey EX-L (vcm engine) were all a little loose except cylinder 5 which was slightly tight. Every intake was a little loose. That was the first valve adjustment for the vehicle and was done at 146k miles.
good vid. lots of great info. Except the part about “the valve travels further”. Technically, It wouldn’t travel further* from your explanation. For it to do that. There’s only a few ways I can think of, that could cause that to happen. “the valve rod increased in length or the the cam lobe got bigger” Or “valve adjustment screw was tightening itself down further over time” or “the the valve spring has gotten weaker bouncing the valve down further past its normal travel” since the first two would have to break the laws of physics to increase in size or length… Actually,. at 200k the valve may not completely close until pressure is inside the cylinder + I’m sure they have gotten shorter or worn down from original size,)along with the valve adjustment screw). Also, if the spring was that weak it wold definitely have major issues with valve lash especially at higher rpms.(And it will really ruin your day if the valve hits the piston). But,..from your explanation. What you can say,… {{“Because exhaust ports are hotter the metal becomes softer. The valve seat is beaten down further into the head. Reducing the rocker arm clearance until it is pressed against the adjustment screw.” “Which makes a lower valve seat opening that will cause the valve open sooner and close later.” (Meaning, the valve will stay open longer….Not Further*) “And If the valves are not adjusted. Eventually the valves will not completely close causing them to become burnt”.}} And..Thats all my 2 cents. Enjoy!
nice video... had customer with 2007 Honda FIT .... stall issue ....when cold.... back out of drive way after one stall... you start back up an never did it again till next cold start . valve adjust fixed it but did kick my ass for couple hours diag time ....
Valve duration will change because it is contacting the "ramp" of the cam later and released off of the "ramp" of the cam earlier. Valve open duration will be less (shorter) after increasing valve lash.
Hey P Sav, great theory. I think you may be onto something. :) Going to have to wait until tonight to find out! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Awesome explanation and diagnosis. Love your teaching methods. Would agree with P Sav,- the valve should ride the cam shorter duration when properly adjusted compared to one with too little of gap. Is this what you found in testing as well? Thanks!
Absolutely one of the best diagnostic videos on UA-cam I’ve ever seen. My 2006 Odyssey has nearly 300k miles and is exhibiting similar problems as well as significantly worsened fuel consumption (15-16 mpg driving cautiously). Going to attempt the valve adjustment myself while also doing the timing belt service soon. Just out of curiosity, what scan tool are you using? Keep the videos coming!
Hey Mike, thanks!!!! Good luck doing your maintenance yourself. Should save you a ton of money over going into a shop. I used the Snap On Verus in this video. Thanks for watching! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
210K miles...? Just getting broke in... I know, I know, I am woefully late to viewing your video, but my local Honda shop is telling me my 2004 Acura 3.5RL, with 214K (absolutely no issues till now, no leaks, no burn oil, religious oil changes at 3000K)... Great car...!
Now that is how real professional's diagnose a misfire! My 08 Accord 2.4 is misfiring too. Changed plugs, coils,pvc valve and mas sensor. Bogging down while driving cant go above 20mph. Needs a compression test. 186k miles. High oil consumption stealership wants new piston heads and rings. 3k. I bet it's the valves.
Hey Brandon, thanks for watching! Make sure to take a look at the catalytic converter. Engine bogging down can definitely be caused by a plugged cat. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Thank you very much. Also in Hondas the exhaust valves tighten up. They've had this problem for years. I was thinking it needs a valve adjustment. Inside the muffler there is alot of carbon built up
This has been happening to my 2006 Honda pilot. When I looked into this before, there is actually a service bulletin regarding this issue of valve lash adjustment and resetting cpu.
Hey Ekimzaga, it's actually right there in the owners manual that they should be inspected/adjusted at a certain mileage. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I got the same codes on my Honda Od and customer has never done any Tuneups at this point at 220k . Says he’s never had any trouble with shaking or engines lights until now? Is this still a valve adjustment protocol? Thanks love you video , your a gifted teacher 🙏👏never stop teaching 👍
A little too long, but super informative. My 2005 MDX just set these codes, 0300, 0301, 0302, so this may be the problem. Im going to watch the next video now. Thank you!!
Hey Mike! How's it going? Happy New Year to you! Thank you once again for your awesome videos! Your knowledge is greatly appreciated. I have a situation where I'd really appreciate your opinion please. I have a 2005 Honda Accord V6 with 66k original miles. Its has codes P0300, P0301, P0305 and P0741. It has new correct Denso plugs in it. I haven't done anything to it yet because I have it for a couple days. Plus I'm stumped as to where to begin because of the low miles. Your opinion and knowledge will once again be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time Mike. I hope you have a great week.
Hey Edward, thanks for watching! All is well here, thanks! That's the motor with the egr ports that plug up I think. Take a look at that. Low miles, maybe it wasn't driven to the point it got cleaned out all the way all the time. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Hey Sherwin, thanks for watching! I took a screenshot of the PICO capture using a program called "GreenShot". I then copied it into PowerPoint so I could do my hand drawn overlays. It works really good that way. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Excellent video. The only thing that I would have liked to see was for you to have commented on the noise of the valves when the engine was running. Since the service recommendation was to do a valve adjustment if the valves were noisy, I would have liked to see you do that check. And then comment on whether you actually thought the valves were noisy. And if the valves were not noticeably noisy, wouldn't that have led you away from doing a compression waveform test using a pressure transducer?
yeah i think someone should edit the service recommendation on that one to say “ if the valves are not noisey check the valves”. Someone should tell whoever wrote that service recommendation. This is not a 1964 VW Beetle engine. (clack, clack, clack. clack, and its still running?)lol
Charles, what would you consider a weak timing belt? Like a stretched belt? A situation where the timing is slightly off but hasn't jumped yet? Typically a belt will jump when it's failing...or break. When an engine is slightly out of time, yes symptoms can appear similar, but diagnostics will prove right/wrong. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Problem is the Cost of the Diag when it is a maintenance Item in the first place. Customer has to pay for that time unless you(the Shop) is going to eat it. In Cylinder is great for many things don't get me wrong but some things are just not feasible in my opinion. If it is recommended by the manufacturer I should have no problem selling the service. I would compare this to sending an Oil sample off to have lab tested before you sell the oil change. Still great Video on In-Cylinder Testing.
I like this but it is harder to pinpoint the valve lash clearance unless you had a good known waveform. I will try the intake manifold pressure reading with a vacuum transducer and see what happens.
Hey Scientist100, thanks for watching. You're right, it is near impossible without known good. It is fun to play with and experiment though, right? Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Yes, I've read that intake manifold pressure changes are better for monitoring the valve lash issue, I may have to get the more sensitive sensors that have absolute pressure from other UA-camrs here. I got the Fluke PV500 but I did not see any signal for vacuum pressure changes, just a flat line, I will keep playing with the settings but I do not see it lol. I like your videos, very well explained and professional.
I agree to have valve clearance looked at but believe it is due to the VCM/cylinder deactivation mode that spit that cel. It came on for me when I put load on the engine and eco mode doesn't cancel. That cause the engine to shutter and the ECU interprets it as misfire which then switches to limp mode (cel blinking). Cleared the code and smashed the throttle and the van just flies like a bat out of hell. No problems since. Although I believe it really was caused by wife's negative energy (whining/complaining). Honda engineered these engines too well to fail prematurely. It's an ecm programming issue
Hey, ahh the negative energy causing issues! Been there, seen that :) Well, this van got a valve adjustment and is still check engine light free to this day (owners a coworker of mine). Your van may be a different situation but at the end of the day maintenance is maintenance and needed to be completed. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
My customers issue was a bad coil, replaced, and a month later the new coil went bad which was, fortunately covered, since she knew them and was a great talker. Further, the valve-pan cover gasket was leaking oil into the spark plug area and shorting the plugs out causing the random misfire. Finally, the (braided?)ground-wire from body to the motor was weak (copper was heat-burnt looking, brittle, and easily resolved with replacing and cleaning surfaces. This Honda engine was easy to work on and I appreciate learning new tips from your videos. I have the 720Pro and do back-yard stuff and appreciate learning new techniques to make diagnostics faster to save me work and customers money.
Hey, sounds like a lot of things were going wrong on there. Nice job getting to the bottom of all of it!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I have an 06 Honda Ridgeline with 240K miles throwing the same codes. My mechanic has had the vehicle 3 times and hasn't been able to resolve. This video makes all the sense in the world to me and I appreciate the detail in presentation and clarity in communicating the lesson. Most of all, I now have a direction for repair with confidence that the problem will be resolved. Well done Sir and thank you!
Hey Pat, sorry to hear your mechanic has been failing you! Glad we could help you with this video. Thanks for watching :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Any update on your problem and/or repair? I’ve got same codes (and random misfires) on my 06 Ridgeline with 130k miles. Dealer replaced timing belt, water pump and did the valves. (I replaced all plugs, coils, and pcv valve with OEM parts). Still get random misfires occasionally (cleaned EGR channels but not EGR valve).
Help!
@@axjohn have to try with the injectors?. EGR Valve
Jose yes I ran a couple of bottles of Redline Fuel Injector Cleaners in two consecutive tanks of gas. I couldn’t get the bolts loose on the EGR valve do I haven’t cleaned it or checked it yet. But I just left my indy Honda Acura repair shop-they loosened them hand tight for me! I’ll remove the valve and clean it after the engine cools down later tonight.
I cleaned the EGR holes at the top side of engine and I think I loosened a piece of carbon that has stuck the EGR valve open which I’ve read online can cause a lean signal to the computer due to too much O2 and then computer adds more fuel to compensates, hence my lean code and running rich codes and misfires upon cold startup. That’s my guess.
Will update.
@@GoTechTraining8
as a Honda technician myself i couldnt be more happier with the video and illustration of steps, forsure going to subscribe but also add that you couldnt be more on point with the direction, and i gained a few new ways still, thank you
Hey Arcy C, thanks for watching! Thanks for the sub!
~Mike
Great video Mike! Lots of lessons to be learned here! Very professionally presented,explained and edited! We are dealing with highly skilled and professional people here,make no mistake about it folks!
Thanks again for all you do for us!
Hey Nick, thanks for all the kind words man! We have the best viewers and audience on UA-cam!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
This is quite possibly the best auto repair UA-cam video I have ever seen. Can't wait to see the conclusion in part 2!
Wow, thank you so much! I really appreciate that :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining where can I get to you man u the best
What a great video! My 2003 Honda Pilot is throwing error codes for cylinders 4,5,6, and the "general misfire" as well. We bought the car with 100,000 miles on it, and the service records show plugs were done, so I was suspecting a stick coil, but now I think it is the valve adjustment. I don't have the diagnostic gear you do, but I was really impressed with your thorough, logical approach. Nice work!
Charles, thank you so much for the kind words!!! Hopefully the valve adjustment is all you need :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I want to thank you so much for making this video. I'm in the same boat with my 2005 EX-L, which ironically is identical to the one in your video. After 2 Honda dealerships and an independent shop gave me the run around, I had almost given up hope that a proper diagnostics could be done. Going back to said "lazy" dealership #1 armed with my new knowledge and pray that it hasn't been going on long enough that it's burnt a valve. Oh well, if it has, they'll be fixing that, too....thank goodness for extended warranties! Now I'm going to watch the rest of this series!
Thanks Alicia! I hope you have better luck the second time around. Always better to go at it armed with information. Good luck!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
I have a 2007 Honda Polit with a P0302 code and came across your video as I was looking to see how to proceed on my Honda. In short I was so very impressed by your presentation and knowledge, so much so that I watched all 3 parts. A valve adjustment is way over my head and the tools I have to diagnose or fix, but you did provide me with the knowledge to go to my mechanic and know what to ask about if a valve adjustment is required. Can't say enough - GREAT video. Thanks
lol, its not like rebuilding a transmission.
The tools needed…
$3 feeler gauge from auto parts store
$5 allen wrench set
$10 socket set from harbor freight.
And
A small amount of brain power to remember how an intake manifold and valve covers
go back on.
Its not hard to do,,
but it does take a while and is kinda tedious to adjust 24valves. (usually, only the 12 exaust valves).
But its pretty easy to do and check them yourself for peace of mind. (without all that fancy waveform devices.)
especially if you know they are due, because you haven't had them checked in like “ never” or “forever” +100k miles ago.
Me: No way I'm going to watch a 40 minute video about a misfire
Me 40 minutes later: Damn, I learned something, I want to see if this actually works in part 2.
Hahah Hey ColonelK0rn, Got ya suckered in, huh?! Glad you learned something :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you so much for Video. At 74 yrs old still learning I have a idea on Valve clearance. Thanks again.
Hey Bill, age means nothing! Never stop learning, right?!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
HUGE THANK YOU for this AWESOME video !!! I was able to FIX my 190,000 mile Ridgeline that “couldn’t be fixed”…. YOU sir are a SUPERSTAR !!!
Hey Drue,
Thanks for the kind words!
Glad you got your truck fixed!
Much better explanation here, than I got at dealership. Thanks
Awesome BG Sound, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
First-time viewer. Super impressed with Mike's knowledge and presentation (I'm a professor, if he were my student, he'd be getting an A). My '06 Odyssey with 220k just threw these exact codes and has the exact same slight roughness at idle. Mike's diagnosis is the bomb. And, he showed me that the proper diagnosis is something that I don't have the time or tools to do. If I go in and have someone like Mike come to me with this kind of information, I'd be totally confident to make the decision as to whether or not to put money into this old van (oh, mine also needs struts, axles, and a couple of other things). Cheers.
I may need help tomorrow with the printers in the villages though.
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Glad i found this, I'll look for the rest and follow. This is most likely one of the problems I'm having right now with my '04 3.5 Pilot.
My thoughr on your question was the time would shorten.
Any update?
@@MatthewDurant-eh1ov
Turns out I also had a bad front seal which I feel helped blow a cylinder. (I cheaped out on oil till I was able to fix problem, never got to it.) I am in the slow process of changing engine, I have to many projects going on.
Fantastic video and great explanations. Anyone fixing cars needs to understand the underlying fundamentals. New subscriber(also master/L1) grateful for some refreshers.
As the diagnostician at my shop, I break the scope out on occasion, but this ticket also shines a light on some of the problems with boots on the ground and flatrate.
At this point with a Honda + miss on front bank, I'd just sell the adjust. If I was wrong my shop would (yes, really!) eat the labor. If you eat 2 out 100 you still come out way ahead. For the FNGs out there, further general confirmation can be had by holding a paper to the tailpipe on a Honda and feeling for a pulse. With this particular car it likely wouldn't be absolutely conclusive given the specs, but this issue is seen across all Hondas with adjustable valves and a sure tell on the 4 cylinders.
Re: Cam gears not installed on shafts correctly. This has become more common as more manufacturers use press fit cam gears instead of pins. If you get one of these in, step one is to have the owner asked if the car worked on recently. On something like a Mazda 3 installing the crank pin tool and pulling the valve cover to install the cam bar is generally going to be faster than breaking out the scope and navigating the schematic to find your pin hook ups.
You are absolutely right about spark plug choice. Gotta see NGK or Denso. Can't count the number of cars I've fixed by pulling out a brand new set of +4s or splitfires and installing the OEM plug.
Great video, thanks.
Hey A B, glad to have you on board!!! Welcome to the channel! All valid tests man, I can tell you've lived the life for a while :) I despise these press on gears. I had a 3.5 EB F-150 that the cam reluctor shifted on the cam...stupid issues that shouldn't really happen but they do. It's amazing how good some of these companies are at marketing their "special designs." There is a reason why NGK has the most OE market share and those "others" have little to none! Again, thanks for watching! Looking forward to more great comments from you.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
You are an good, honest mechanic. Unlike the slobs my friends take their cars to. They will charge for everything, whether it fixes the issue or not.
Fantastic video, Mike. One of the best explanations and analysis of the waveform I've seen. Hope you enjoy doing those back exhaust valves...Always gives me a sore chest by the time I'm done with one of these.
Thanks JohnAClark1. Yeh, my chest was sore after. Love laying on the motor!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
My 2010 3.5 V6 coupe rear exhaust valves are chattering like a baby’s rattle I jut got to get my lazy ass out there and do them on a good day off work 😳😳😳
That was a great visual of the piston placement vs degrees of rotation. The whole project was well explained Mike, thanks.
Hey Wyatt, thanks man! Sometimes a visual is the best way to explain a complex theory. I hope it all came across in a sensible manner like it did in my head...haha!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Mike if i could I would give you 10 thumbs ups! This is one of my weak points in engine diagnostics, and this is by far the best explanation of ICPT I have ever watched!! Thanks so much
Hey John, thanks!!! I appreciate the kind words!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
This is great education I don't work on cars for a living but love using UA-cam to learn about stuff
I think that pico is worth 10x it's weight in gold for how portable it is and what it can do
Hey Sandy, thanks for watching! The PICO is soooooo valuable. A truly great tool!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Three excellent videos and excellent presentation. Very well put together especially if you own a Honda with a 3.5 like I do. Best presentation I've seen. Thank you
Hey Arthur, thanks!!! Glad you liked it!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Just finished watching part 1. Superb explanation Mike. I really appreciate all the effort you put into these videos!! 👍👍
Hey Dylan, thanks! Appreciate you watching and commenting :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Hello Mike, truly brain awakening tutorial from theory, diagnosis and the solution as well. Oh, indeed professional presentation as well.
Ahh I love when we can stimulate a brain! Thanks for watching
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Great lesson Mike! My '05 Oddy was trouble free with 180kmi on it. Never adjusted valves. Amazing engines, valve adjustment necessity aside! On to part 2.
Hey, thanks for watching dude! Enjoy the series :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Awesome video. When I took my hands on scope class we were supposed to use the pressure transducer but we ran out of time. Call that you made a video about it. Keep up the good work mike
Thanks Oz! They are super interesting to play with. I still have plenty to learn!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Dude, you are a genius. Your on details. Point every point. Great job. Your video helps a lot. And that gadget you use is awesome. I might get one.
Thanks Wilbert, really appreciate it!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi Mike. I have 2013 MDX. It has s misfire in cylinder 5. My error code is P0305. 240,000 kms on it
So I have done the following
1) Swapped Coil and Plug from cylinder 5 to 6, code remained P0305
2) Tried Seafoam, Redline S1 and Mystery Motor Oil treatment in fuel tank and Engine, issue did not resolve.
3) I got compression test done and it showed low compression in Cylinder 5 120 PSI vs 170 PSI in cylinder 4. Then I got an auto body shop to do all 6 comparative compression test and it came compression is only 25% in cylinder 5 and approximately 75% in cylinder 6. Cylinder 1,4,2 were 100%, cylinder 3 was 92%
4. I took it to Acura and got valve adjustment done, they said it was loose intake valve. It made engine sound alot better and I felt it got power but misfire still shows in p0305.
I watched your video and have read forums. Now I am not sure what to try or do next. Any advice and help will be great.
What do I try next?
I replied to your other comment Saad!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Vcmuzzler 2
I can wait to see you doing a class for the in cylinder pressure transducers, vacuum and exhaust sensors waveform test!
One class at a time! Patience my friend!!! :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Thank you so much for this presentation. Now I have a better idea on how to interpret in cylinder pressure.
Hey Emmanuel , thanks man! Glad you liked it!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Gotta be careful of cylinder wash if the vehicle dont shut down injector like some do when have a misfire. Great to see the Wps out and being used. Always glad to see videos from you great Job. Im sure you already know about the fuel injector best to unplug if possible its more for others but you may have stated as im still watching.
Hey Mike, that makes sense. Too much time running could wash it out. I did not unplug the injector on this one. Hard to say if the PCM realized it was missing and cut the injector. I suppose I could have checked that. If I remember right the injectors were very hard to get to on this 3.5.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Probably not a huge issue for very short runs,
VERY informative young man! ive seen this many times. ive sold valve adjustments on these and misfires still happen... Honda has a class action lawsuit on this engine. Ive heard the rings crap out on them. Honda puts a new long block in them and valve job and adjustment on them... kinda messy... also the valve cover plug well seals leak oil into the plug well tube and does the same thing.... its like pissing in a fan.....
Hey Mike, thanks for watching! Yeh, i've heard about the rings being bad. I think that's on 2010 and up though. 2006 wasn't too much of an issue for that.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
That guy is a great teacher..thanks bro.!
I'm blown away man, so much usefull information on this video . Defenetly subscribing to your channel .
Hey Gilberto, thanks for watching! Welcome to the channel!
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Fish bite misfire! Awesome video! ! Thank you so much for putting this one out! Magnificent content as usual!
Thanks for watching Brittany, fish bite misfire is a great way to describe this customers complaint. Well said!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Mike, Great visual with the power point (:
Been using the In Cylinder transducers for some time now and MAN what a game changer it is. Couldn't imagine not having it at this point. Really look forward to seeing your take on using the transducers. SO many different thing you can do with them. Lots to learn too.
Thanks Mike, another awesome video. Now onto part 2 Lol..
and YES a big change will happen. My guess is 15 to 20 degrees
Cheers
Hey Kevin! Thanks!!!! It is a game changer. I love these waveforms. I learn something new with every single one I capture! Thanks as always for watching, and your input!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Awesome information and how clear the problem description was presented and 100% sure how fix that problem. Thanks. I’m very impressed with your profesional ethic
WOW! This is freakin' awesome Mike!!! When I started watching your video, I have a WELLS t-shirt show up, then my new PICO shows up. WOOHOO!!! But now after watching your video all the way through I realize, now I'll have to get a pressure transducer and I haven't even taken the PICO out of the box yet. Hard to keep up with you big dogs. LOL. This is a great video Mike. Really looking forward to part 2.
Hahah the tool list just keeps growing and growing doesn't it!?!?!??! Any luck with those auctions!?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
No. If I had no tools whatsoever, I would have done well on that one. Since I have a lot of tools already, It wasn't worth it to me for the monies they were going for. All the scantools had 2010 coverage. Mine is 2017. And some items didn't work so. But always looking.
Ouch 2010 coverage is no good. Cost to update is almost as much as some new tools. Always looking is right, I am too! It's harder for you in Canada I suppose. There are a ton of Facebook groups selling used tools and equipment here in the states...you have similar groups in Canada?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
None that I'm aware of near me. Just Kijiji. and craigslist.
you are a amazing teacher. much respect.
Thanks Gerardo!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great job Mike and look forward to the conclusion! 😀👍
Thanks Terry. Stay tuned! :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Thank you so much! This is exactly what's happening to mine!
Excellent video! I’m having the same issue with my 02 MDX that has 230k miles
Awesome! Hope this helped you out then Kyree!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
You're an excellent educator, Mike. Thanks.
Hey Bill, thanks soooo much!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Good job. You made it easy to follow every step of the way.
Thanks for watching Russel! Glad I made it easy for you to follow. That was the goal.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I'm working on 07 Pilot with same issue. It has wore me out trying to fix it nice info.
This video answered so many questions thank you!!!!
Nice one Mike, I'm presently experiencing the same issue but yet to conclude it's the valves. Because mine starts working well then suddenly changes mode by flashing lights and disables three plugs hence vibrating.
Hey, thanks for watching! If the check engine light is flashing, you have a damaging misfire occouring. You're losing 3 cylinders at a time?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Look into VCmuzzler 2
knowledgeable professional ASE tech. Great information prove the root problem, repair and verify awesome.
Damn good video Mike..Damn Good!!!! This was very educational, informative, and professional, you could have sold this job to me for a quick $3000 bucks lol.. You know what you are doing and you know what you are talking about... Damn Good job brother.. I most definitely will be tuning back in with you tomorrow.. Thank you for sharing and caring... You rock Boss...
Hahah thanks Jeremie! Knew I should have charged more..... :) Thanks for watching and commenting!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Very good and technical videos you make for us thanks
Thank you very much!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
That was an awesome presentation my friend. Thx for sharing all this great info
Thanks for watching Maic!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
You are so good with this video sir. Super nice presentation.
Thanks Jack!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I am not a mechanic, but it sure seems like he knows his shit! He IS a very good teacher! That much I can tell.
Thanks for watching Doug!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
The exhaust valves on my 2010 Odyssey EX-L (vcm engine) were all a little loose except cylinder 5 which was slightly tight. Every intake was a little loose. That was the first valve adjustment for the vehicle and was done at 146k miles.
good vid. lots of great info.
Except the part about
“the valve travels further”.
Technically,
It wouldn’t travel further*
from your explanation.
For it to do that. There’s only a few ways I can think of, that could cause that to happen.
“the valve rod increased in length or the the cam lobe got bigger”
Or
“valve adjustment screw was tightening itself down further over time”
or
“the the valve spring has gotten weaker bouncing the valve down further past its normal travel”
since the first two would have to break the laws of physics to increase in size or length…
Actually,. at 200k the valve may not completely close until pressure is inside the cylinder + I’m sure they have gotten shorter or worn down from original size,)along with the valve adjustment screw).
Also, if the spring was that weak it wold definitely have major issues with valve lash especially at higher rpms.(And it will really ruin your
day if the valve hits the piston).
But,..from your explanation.
What you can say,…
{{“Because exhaust ports are hotter the metal becomes softer. The valve seat is beaten down further into the head. Reducing the rocker arm clearance until it is pressed against the adjustment screw.”
“Which makes a lower valve seat opening that will cause the valve open sooner and close later.”
(Meaning, the valve will stay open longer….Not Further*)
“And If the valves are not adjusted. Eventually the valves will not completely close causing them to become burnt”.}}
And..Thats all my 2 cents.
Enjoy!
oh, also FYI.
a bad headgaaket can also mimic those readings.
Nice video Mike. Haven't got into pressure transducers yet next on my list. Just got a pulse sensor very handy.
Hey D. D, thanks for watching! You will love it once you get your hands on one. Fun tool to play with and learn.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Again I really appreciate your input and you're savvy thank you
Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
nice video... had customer with 2007 Honda FIT .... stall issue ....when cold.... back out of drive way after one stall... you start back up an never did it again till next cold start . valve adjust fixed it but did kick my ass for couple hours diag time ....
Wow the valves were bad enough to cause the stall!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Well explained ! Mike your doing a excellent job keep it up sir.
Thanks for watching Timothy!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Valve duration will change because it is contacting the "ramp" of the cam later and released off of the "ramp" of the cam earlier. Valve open duration will be less (shorter) after increasing valve lash.
Hey P Sav, great theory. I think you may be onto something. :) Going to have to wait until tonight to find out!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Awesome explanation and diagnosis. Love your teaching methods. Would agree with P Sav,- the valve should ride the cam shorter duration when properly adjusted compared to one with too little of gap. Is this what you found in testing as well? Thanks!
Wow! Thank you! I want to get a pressure transducer!!! Such a great lesson!
Hey Dr. Jeff, thanks for watching! They really are a great tool!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
What are your recommendations for a transducer ? Thank you for your Amazon video. you are a Wells of knowledge.
Good and detailed explanation. I hope you will look into possibly teaching at one of the auto programs in your local community college.
Hey Abdie, thanks for watching! Who knows what the future holds :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Absolutely one of the best diagnostic videos on UA-cam I’ve ever seen. My 2006 Odyssey has nearly 300k miles and is exhibiting similar problems as well as significantly worsened fuel consumption (15-16 mpg driving cautiously). Going to attempt the valve adjustment myself while also doing the timing belt service soon. Just out of curiosity, what scan tool are you using? Keep the videos coming!
Hey Mike, thanks!!!! Good luck doing your maintenance yourself. Should save you a ton of money over going into a shop. I used the Snap On Verus in this video. Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
That extremely in-depth. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
~Mike
I have had stall complaints too with the 3.5's, those usually have high cylinder leakage
Hey Jake, good to know. Maybe the next one I get will be even worse!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
210K miles...? Just getting broke in...
I know, I know, I am woefully late to viewing your video, but my local Honda shop is telling me my 2004 Acura 3.5RL, with 214K (absolutely no issues till now, no leaks, no burn oil, religious oil changes at 3000K)...
Great car...!
Hey Gregg, thanks for watching! Man, I do love that 3.5L engine.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Now that is how real professional's diagnose a misfire! My 08 Accord 2.4 is misfiring too. Changed plugs, coils,pvc valve and mas sensor. Bogging down while driving cant go above 20mph. Needs a compression test. 186k miles. High oil consumption stealership wants new piston heads and rings. 3k. I bet it's the valves.
Hey Brandon, thanks for watching! Make sure to take a look at the catalytic converter. Engine bogging down can definitely be caused by a plugged cat.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Thank you very much. Also in Hondas the exhaust valves tighten up. They've had this problem for years. I was thinking it needs a valve adjustment. Inside the muffler there is alot of carbon built up
@@GoTechTraining Would a bad cat throw a code if it was bad?
Very well explained! Awesome diagnostic and explanation!
Thanks Chris!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
This has been happening to my 2006 Honda pilot. When I looked into this before, there is actually a service bulletin regarding this issue of valve lash adjustment and resetting cpu.
Hey Ekimzaga, it's actually right there in the owners manual that they should be inspected/adjusted at a certain mileage.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
glad to see someone knows how and uses a vac gauge, many people dont know how anymore. but 21 seems high to me.
Hey Rick, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I got the same codes on my Honda Od and customer has never done any Tuneups at this point at 220k . Says he’s never had any trouble with shaking or engines lights until now? Is this still a valve adjustment protocol? Thanks love you video , your a gifted teacher 🙏👏never stop teaching 👍
Hey Phil, honestly, i'd probably start with all of the tune-up stuff. Spark plugs, valve adjustment, etc.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Greetings from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. Excellent video.
Hey Josue, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
A little too long, but super informative. My 2005 MDX just set these codes, 0300, 0301, 0302, so this may be the problem. Im going to watch the next video now. Thank you!!
Yeh, they are long...but it's the only way to get all the info in there :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Awesome analysis
Thanks Edgard!!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Nice video, can't way for part II.
Thanks Gelson!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Nice!!!Loved every minute of it.
Sweeet! Thanks for watching Bob!
Mike Becker, Senior Insturctor
A most excellent video. Great teacher.
Thank you very much!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Mike, hello awesome video and info and thank you for taking the time to do all this A+ video . cheeeeeers
Thanks J Georges, glad you liked it. Cheers!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Minor correction. The valve doesn't move further into the engine at 27:30. Instead is moves further past the valve seat.
Hey Dan, you're right. The valve is not at risk of hitting the piston. I did not make that clear. Thanks!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great video! Very informative and to the point. Thanks!
Hey, thanks a ton!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Hey Mike! How's it going? Happy New Year to you! Thank you once again for your awesome videos! Your knowledge is greatly appreciated. I have a situation where I'd really appreciate your opinion please. I have a 2005 Honda Accord V6 with 66k original miles. Its has codes P0300, P0301, P0305 and P0741. It has new correct Denso plugs in it. I haven't done anything to it yet because I have it for a couple days. Plus I'm stumped as to where to begin because of the low miles. Your opinion and knowledge will once again be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time Mike. I hope you have a great week.
Hey Edward, thanks for watching! All is well here, thanks! That's the motor with the egr ports that plug up I think. Take a look at that. Low miles, maybe it wasn't driven to the point it got cleaned out all the way all the time.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining and you believe the causing the problem with the transmission?
Hey Mike
I'm back. Very interesting case study. Getting ready to watch part 2.
Hey Richard, welcome back! I was looking for some comments from you!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Great information and troubleshooting!
Hey Tim, thank you for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Outstanding instructional video. Thank you.
Thanks so much Craig!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Very intelligent explanation
Very awesome and informative video!
Thank you very much!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great video 👍 would you able to explain how you added power point onto the picoscope. Would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Sherwin, thanks for watching! I took a screenshot of the PICO capture using a program called "GreenShot". I then copied it into PowerPoint so I could do my hand drawn overlays. It works really good that way.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining thank you very much. Keep the up the good work
Good class learned a lot thank you
Thank you Edas!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Very good explanation. Good job like your video
Hey Mario, thanks!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
awesome job mike
Hey Charles, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Excellent Mike!!
Excellent video. The only thing that I would have liked to see was for you to have commented on the noise of the valves when the engine was running. Since the service recommendation was to do a valve adjustment if the valves were noisy, I would have liked to see you do that check. And then comment on whether you actually thought the valves were noisy. And if the valves were not noticeably noisy, wouldn't that have led you away from doing a compression waveform test using a pressure transducer?
Hey, the valves on here were not noisy. These valves tighten up, noise usually comes from loose valves.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
yeah i think someone should edit the service recommendation on that one to say “ if the valves are not noisey check the valves”.
Someone should tell whoever wrote that service recommendation. This is not a 1964 VW Beetle engine. (clack, clack, clack. clack, and its still running?)lol
Son muy buenas lecciones que se aprende de este video
Good video, presentation really well done. Thanks.
Hey Mark, thank you for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Thanks, Mike, an interesting case study.
Thanks Spelunkerd!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
is this the same as a weak timing belt symptoms cool info i worked on small engines you are so good at this great info
Charles, what would you consider a weak timing belt? Like a stretched belt? A situation where the timing is slightly off but hasn't jumped yet? Typically a belt will jump when it's failing...or break. When an engine is slightly out of time, yes symptoms can appear similar, but diagnostics will prove right/wrong.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Problem is the Cost of the Diag when it is a maintenance Item in the first place. Customer has to pay for that time unless you(the Shop) is going to eat it. In Cylinder is great for many things don't get me wrong but some things are just not feasible in my opinion. If it is recommended by the manufacturer I should have no problem selling the service.
I would compare this to sending an Oil sample off to have lab tested before you sell the oil change.
Still great Video on In-Cylinder Testing.
Gracias por el video, Tengo un caso igual con una Odicey 2000
great presentation Mike thanks
Hey Mark, thank you!!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
I like this but it is harder to pinpoint the valve lash clearance unless you had a good known waveform. I will try the intake manifold pressure reading with a vacuum transducer and see what happens.
Hey Scientist100, thanks for watching. You're right, it is near impossible without known good. It is fun to play with and experiment though, right?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Yes, I've read that intake manifold pressure changes are better for monitoring the valve lash issue, I may have to get the more sensitive sensors that have absolute pressure from other UA-camrs here. I got the Fluke PV500 but I did not see any signal for vacuum pressure changes, just a flat line, I will keep playing with the settings but I do not see it lol. I like your videos, very well explained and professional.
a compression test should show the condition of the valve, piston and rings 150 and up eliminates all possible problem.
I agree to have valve clearance looked at but believe it is due to the VCM/cylinder deactivation mode that spit that cel. It came on for me when I put load on the engine and eco mode doesn't cancel. That cause the engine to shutter and the ECU interprets it as misfire which then switches to limp mode (cel blinking). Cleared the code and smashed the throttle and the van just flies like a bat out of hell. No problems since. Although I believe it really was caused by wife's negative energy (whining/complaining). Honda engineered these engines too well to fail prematurely. It's an ecm programming issue
Hey, ahh the negative energy causing issues! Been there, seen that :) Well, this van got a valve adjustment and is still check engine light free to this day (owners a coworker of mine). Your van may be a different situation but at the end of the day maintenance is maintenance and needed to be completed.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
VCMuzzler 2
Thankfully for the job