The Odyssey Is Better than The Carrack?

[@gnaruto7769]

Carrack turrets can all face forward. The side turrets have 91° turn radius in each direction.

[@richardmueller2635]

you should hop in a Carrack side turret and check it out. it actually extends out once you are seated and power it on. you can very much look forward with the pilot. the only gripe i have is the lower rear turret, it should be remote and it is seldom ever used. They should move that one to further back or forward, and make it remote. Once you move the turret location, you can now put a short elevator there in the old turret spot and use the existing hallway there to get to/from new ground elevator. They seem to refuse let the Carrack existing main elevator just go exterior to the ground. I understand why, as the elevator could collide with bumpy ground surfaces and cause collision issues.

[@christophercurtis9392]

My thing is, when armor comes online we have to remember Anvil ships are going to be absolute Tanks in game

[@markdayell61]

unfortunately, if the hull is breached anywhere on 2 decks of the Carrack, you vent them both through the connecting elevator shaft. DUMB design flaw and easily addressed, but I was deeply disappointed. This was designed as a military pathfinder by "experts" afterall.

[@CodeBlue18]

I'd say the Carrack has the amazing bridge view and the modularity which might make it a more versatile ship, although they never went into detail what those modules might be. But the Odyssey wins for me with its larger components, larger hangar, unlimited range and remote turrets. I don't like the idea of losing a crewmember if the turret gets taken out.

[@Syphirioth]

I don't think it matters. Modules changing out is not complete as the description of the odyssey is telling us. Carrack is versatile but never the complete package cause of this.

[@knightshroom2393]

carrack the exploration turets lol

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Carrack has, repair drones, less overall cost due to smaller components, convenient landing spaces and no refinery yet, (could be a module) to break. I wonder how much that will cost to replace and can you still fly without a refinery on the Odyssey ?

[@thegamingtribunal]

Lol... BIG Facts, loosing a crew member when the turret gets taken out 😂😂😂

[@Syphirioth]

@@knightshroom2393 Well corsair is the exploration gun platform 😂

[@baconcanadian]

You left out two, albeit not yet in-game, features of the Carrack. The drone control room will give us whatever features drones have, and the crafting/repair room. Again, we know minimal, but the where the Ody has mining and refining the Carrack will have alternative gameplay. I personally have the Ody now, but until all features are in game we can only theorize.

[@kennethjones8683]

Came here to say this.

[@MrRobaron]

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This is what I think about gun placement on the two ships. I'm no expert, so feel free to correct me if you have big personal experience. Here it goes anyway: When it comes to big ships like the Carrack and Odyssey, I'm not so sure that forward facing weapons neccesarily will do such a great job defending the ship. Smaller crafts are better at maneuvering than big ones, which should mean that well placed turrets (that turns around much faster than the ship itself) with wide operating range, like the Carrack turrets has, will have a much easier job tracking the enemy than forward facing, provided that the ships has enough people to operate each weapon.

[@sirtrafalgar1]

The Carrack was initially designed with modularity, so they aren't rumors. The three cargo holds are modular. CIG never said anything about the Oddessy being modular, so it's not even close to having equal chances of them being modular; one will and one won't. The Carrack concept page is limited, so it's hard to go back and check which features were there. Now, there are some huge caveats to the modules. We have zero idea what the modules for the Carrack will be. One concept image showed the modules being arrayed as a research station on the planet. Less is known about the Carrack modules than the Caterpillar modules.
With resource management and engineering gameplay emerging, it is becoming clear that fuel and parts will also be important. The Carrak can make spare parts in its 3D printer and might be the entry point into crafting in SC. Drones can do many things, from refueling, salvaging, repairing, scouting, and even fighting. We have no idea other than the scouting which drones the Carrack can handle.
I have no idea which one will be better because, as you said, the Odessey has a much better weapon layout and can manufacture its own jump fuel. However, food, water, and spare parts will still limit this ship's ability to really range deep. If I were to wager, the Odessey will make the best small capital daily driver type ship, while the Carrack will really hit those exploration high notes.

[@Marlax-101]

im not sure where everyone gets modules for everything, i dont keep up with all the info but misc doesnt ring any module bells for me. i think expensive, good guns, basicly the inverse of drakes cheap , good guns.

[@djthewafflehouseconnoisseu9403]

I know nothing about any of this, but I always put these videos on to support and I love to see they’re doing numbers lately. Keep it up fam.

[@marcuswynn89]

I appreciate that!

[@AlexanderBingham]

They need to allow the smaller ships that land on the Odyssey to be able to refuel from the refinery. I also hope to see AI crew, because I was hoping to fly solo cause project managing and arranging a group is not something I want to do all the time.

[@akastrak2235]

by default the ship u got in ur bay will be able to refill, else wtp to bring a ship with u ? this is part of what the odyssey will do imo

[@varthelm]

Like the video although I suspect we see these two ships in very different ways. The way I read it is the Odyssey's modularity is in the form of its hangar bay. Whatever you have in it is whatever you can do. It has no special abilities to do anything by itself except fuel itself. If it had a capital size radar maybe it would have an edge in an exploration fashion. It will be able to bring ships with dedicated scanners with medium radars (such as the Terrapin and Cutter Scout) which the Carrack can't do but the Carrack itself will outperform any of that from a "finding stuff" standpoint.
So longevity and its hangar are its only selling points really. They lost me on the hangar when the Q&A established the fuel the Odyssey makes cant refuel the ships it carries in the hangar. That would have to be provided by some manual process using the ship's storage...basically fuel you brought with you. The shields are great except if I'm disappearing in the black, I'm probably not running into large bands of people. If I am in more populated areas, I probably should have bought a Polaris if I wanted a mobile hangar bay.
The one thing I'll agree with is the Odyssey would be more useful in game right now due to how deep and large its hangar is, but, we cant fly it right now. You do get a Carrack as a loaner though :)

[@DashRendar308]

I still have not decided what ship I will be using, Carrack, Merchantman or Odyssey, gonna keep those upgrades until all of them are flyable.

[@marcuswynn89]

Yeah if you have the odyssey the carrack is a loaner so you get two ships in one basically

[@The-Rusty-Pigeon-Gamingchannel]

What if the carrack gets a quantum refinery with a mining vehicle as a module? Tada 🎉

[@akastrak2235]

the fact is that they don't have the same role, the Carrack will be able to find jump points, the Odyssey won't, the Carrack will be able to repair itself with drones, the Odyssey won't, but what people are forgetting right now is that the Carrack must be part of a fleet to be rly efficient, the Odyssey can go alone and be self sufficient for month. So personnally i go for the odyssey, and have the Carrack in loaner, whick is nice. In the end the only thing that matters is what you want to do in the verse, if u have to travel far (i mean 15-20 solar systems), they're won't be a lot of ships who'll be able to do this, the Odyssey is one of them, the Carrack is not. We are talking about exploration, the real starmap is so big comparing to what we know actually, think larger. Another point is the hangar bay, u can feet some terrapin in it, and other small ships in it, the Carrack can't handle so much, another good point for the Odyssey imo. Btw good analysis Marcus, keep the pression

[@njasicko]

I have both as I see them as having different roles. The worst thing CIG ever did was say the Odyssey is a Carrack killer.. their marketing folks are on crack a lot of the time.

[@hanns1401]

My take as well. They both fall under the "exploration" umbrella, but perform different roles within it. I suspect Carrack will be top dog for systems-based exploration: cartography, jump point locating and mapping, resource discovery, etc. It has drones to cover a wider area and the repair bay to work on its own components, which is nice. The Odyssey doesn't have any specialized exploration equipment in terms of scanners or drones, so I see it as an indefinite-range generalist. It's got a mining system tied directly to the quantum fuel tanks for indefinite range, a full sized hangar so you can add features with the ship you carry, capital sized components, and a pretty nice interior from what I've seen. Perfect for that Star Trek gameplay. Just a guess that the Carrack may have better armor being a military ship, while the Odyssey has those capital class shields, but maybe not much armor due to being civilian. Anyway, room in the 'verse for both.

[@subbss]

There's a lot more to the Carrack than just the cargo space. The biggest feature is the ability to find undiscovered or unmarked jump points and navigate a safe path through them, that's what the antennae that fold out are for. It will also have significant armor since it was designed for the military, this will not only offset some of the difference in shields but also be valuable for better component protection when physical damage and armor are reworked. It also has a workbench room (for repairs/modding/science possibly), a drone bay (people have been calling them repair drones but actually they are multipurpose drones as far as we know), and the stellar cartography room for either navigation plotting or detailed sensor analysis. Then there's the modularity which could be anything since they haven't decided what it can do yet. Basically the Carrack is more focused on its role as a long range scout with advanced sensors and toughness, and the Odyssey is more focused on being self sufficient for deep space travel for long duration away from civilization.

[@baronerth]

Marcus, I like your ship comparisons and overall SC knowledge. I also appreciate your ability to keep things reasonable when talking about speculative points. I have been looking for more content creators that aren't so salty. Keep up the great work!

[@DaddyKoolPop]

I am currently a Carrack cat, not to shade that big beautiful Odyssey. MISC is an innovative shipbuilder, I dig em. Bruh, I agree with all of the points you make here. There is no wrong choice IMO between these two monsters. and yeah man the ability to refine your own fuel is huge.

[@marcuswynn89]

The carrack is gonna be dope when they finish it

[@grimmsalem]

having the hander and cargo conected together really helps the Odyssey. You can store ground vehicles in the hanger. Having the bed bay close to the entrance is nice

[@lystic9392]

The bed bay ^_^ sorry it just sounds funny.

[@AuricNova]

Carrack modularity is not a rumor, we just don't know what the modules are yet. The reason the base Carrack has so much cargo is because all the modules are cargo by default. Cargo capacity will shrink when different modules are installed.
That said, these two ships aren't direct competitors despite what people (and CIG marketing) say.
Carrack is a versatile explorer. Odyssey is an extremely long range surveyor. Basically, one explores space for jump points and scientific discoveries (whatever that's gonna mean), the other explores planets, moons, and asteroid belts for resources.
I chose the Odyssey because of my interest in mining and the fact that I own an Orion that is going to need to know where it's going before heading out.

[@tibsaz1207]

Most of the Carrack we can find now in ERT missions contains cargo, but sadly hard to reach without a proper cargo bay to access it, the new bigs containers cannot leave the cargo area because they don't pass the door

[@ChristopherKayser88]

Good video, and the Odyssey is a cool ship. But I love my carrack. I pledged for her on the original run.
A few other considerations.
1) Carrack has a beautiful bridge. The Odyssey looks like the standard misc one, which is fine and is certainly a design style. But I love the carrack.
2) Different goals. Odyssey is better for strip mining a place. Carrack is more for either initial exploration or as part of a combat exploration.
3) Carrack feels more like the Serenity and a tie fighter had spectacular night together and made something amazing. The Odyssey, sorry, but it looks like a freelancer got supersized. Sure, chonky can be fun too, but its not for me.
4) Modularity. Complete unknown right now. But the Odyssey, if I remember correctly, has its functionality more or less already figured out. The Carrack can be adapted for other situations. I wouldnt be surprised if a refinery was a module that could be installed on a Carrack. But there could be some other cool ones too. Large vehicle transport, botanical/animal holding, prisoner transport, basic homestead box (IE: the basic building you'd need to drop off somewhere to start a base).
Anyway, great video and I like your video style. I just happen to respectfully disagree on some of your points.

[@Sentan555]

The cargo space is going to be ground vehicles and possibly some goods to bring with you, extra ammo, materials, missiles. I really hope they add to the Odyssey a 3D printer so you can takes mats you bring with you to make goods on the fly. Also side note, I know the hangar bay is larger, but it'd be awesome to know exactly what will fit!

[@lystic9392]

I believe they provided a list... Saw it somewhere.
I was looking at that Galaxy hangar and kind of surprised how few ships fit in there. It kinda makes the hangar mostly useless for me considering I don't care much for bringing along a fighter.
At least the Odyssey looks able to bring some utility along.

[@Max_Flashheart]

The 3 Carrack Modules (3 x Cargo by default) are have been designed so they can be dropped and have side opening doors (Just none functional currently). However you would actually use the Carrack and Odyssey together since each has there specific focus roles.

[@Wh1terider]

As a soloist and wanting exploration. Ill be sticking with the Zeus ES or possibly the Aquila (depending on how NPC's work). Still way to early to make any kind of decision.

[@BillieSkin]

Zeus ES crew 🙌

[@Wh1terider]

@@BillieSkin Great taste! I'll be looking for crew mates!

[@BillieSkin]

@@Wh1terider likewise! Happy to be captain or crew!

[@MottDaHoople]

Modularity and Repair are why I held onto my Carrack... Oh, and Heavy Shielding as advertised. The Carrack is an all rounder... and if modularity does become a thing don't expect the Odyssey to get expanded upon.

[@Syphirioth]

Carrack is not realy an all rounder. It's versatile yes... And it has his focus on exploration and mapping and modules to change.. It originally was a military ship.
Odyssey has description: Most advanced and complete exploration ship available.
So no your carrack is not gonna be most complete. It gonna have modules to change focus. Nothing complete about leaving one leg home because you had to fit the other.

[@dragofire5063]

@Syphirioth cig has stated that the Odyssey can find wormholes and other things that the Carrack can, but not as easily or as far away as the specialized ex-military Pathfinder/Science ship called the Carrack.
The three modular pod's are there to allow for more functionality at the cost of cargo capacity.
Remember by default without the pod's even in the picture the Carrack has dedicated hangar with Pisces and vehicle garage with Ursa included, an dedicated two drone Station room with drones, dedicated medical suite with full doctors clinic, dedicated workshop on technical deck, full crew living facilities, dedicated suit and armory room, dedicated navigation mapping room, large sensor antenna and all the features within the twin deck bridge.
Now as for the three modular pod's, originally it was listed as having options for refinery, Science, medical, and crew living (hinted as an deployable outpost) module. Recently cig announced that an large vehicle module to house atlas and nova.
The Odyssey was never announced to have any modular system like the carracks.
It was also a few years ago that cig showed two UEEN Carrack destinations one being Science and the other Pathfinder in the UEEN ship destination release.

[@MottDaHoople]

Well said Sir! Thanks .@@dragofire5063

[@Syphirioth]

@@dragofire5063 Correct. Thats why Odyssey gonna be more a jack of all trades than Carrack.
Modularity is not jack of all trades. It's jack who can choose trades. Many forget this I think.
Modularity means you need go to hangar to change loadout. Odyssey is not supposed to be at hangars much at all. Thats why Odyssey with modules makes no sense.
Odyssey with vulture or prospector seems nice combo to. If vulture gonna fit that is. Propsector for sure fits in Odyssey hangar. I think Odyssey gonna be nice for solo or 2 player play by the looks of it.
Also I would choose Odyssey over polaris. Unless I had big org.

[@dragofire5063]

@@Syphirioth that's the thing many don't understand.
Odyssey = Jack of All Trades with support small craft.
Carrack = highly specialised with options to specialise with pod modules at a cost of other roles due to only three pods

[@ivanshiek]

I bought the Carrack for invictus and recently bought the Odyssey in IAE. I'm keeping both. I'll trade the Carrack before the Odyssey. I didn't want to trade the Carrack for the Odyssey because I thought I wouldn't be able to fly the Odyssey and I would be without a Carrack... Then I found out after the purchase that it comes with a Carrack loaner... Now I have two Carracks... LOL!

[@TKRy2k]

Great video but there are some old and confirmed features that not many can remember. The Carrack has an actual story and potentially, the best exploration ship according to the role, not to mention the military background.
Lets not forget about the confirmed:
- Armor (military grate if I remember correctly).
- Drones.
- Workshop (potentially mid-tier science included).
- Confirmed modularity and detachable "modules".
- Can open/create wormholes and jump through.
- Cartography.
All the above will be coming to the Carrack as all was part of the concept. However, it was years ago so maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.
I am confident, that the carrack price will increase when at least the drone gameplay is implemented. Kowing how CIG is utilizing hype, when these features will be coming, the carrack will be hyped and the price will go up. Especially, when we will have multiple star systems and the carrack will be able to cut down on travel by creating its own jump point (I think, the C8 will be required to help navigate inside the new jump point or it will have to go through and back to map it up).

[@DashRendar308]

All weapons on the Carrack can face forward and shoot the same target. I think the Carrack has overall better coverage when it comes to its weapons. And DPS wise I think 8 size 4 are not far of from 6 size 5 guns. However I think you are right in that the Odyssey will be able to engage larger targets, when armor will be implemented in the game. The Carrack will probably be better against fighters though. But I also prefer the Odyssey due to its larger Hangar and the fact that the cargo bay can be accessed from the hangar and the garage. The Carrack is also supposed to be better at jump point scanning, it remains to be seen how useful that is going to be in the future.

[@Marlax-101]

carrack will probably have an easier time running from bigger ships with the extra armor. or doing hit and run tactics. the ody cannot really afford to fight any ship really. bigger ships will end up shredding it and if any smaller ships get lucky hits on the components or the mining equipment it will die in the unknown. probably decent for general use however.

[@malcolmden3357]

In my opinion we should wait for the scanning gameplay first which will expand to the Exploration territory, we don't know what that will be like as of current as this will determine the ships role and main functionality in terms of scanners.
The Carrack and Odyssey are both very capable exploration vessels. People seem to forget the large antennas located at the front + a large scanner on the bottom side, just above the main ramp of the Odyssey. Similarly with the Carrack's Antenna's which fold out, located on the top, either side of the main hanger.
No one knows which scanner has the better function and for what purpose. The Odyssey have a sperate scanning roleplay than the Carrack as it has 2 types of scanners vs the Carrack.

[@MontyDGrt]

You did not talk about modularity of the Carrack and the ability to repair components. Also suppose to be more armored since it is once a military ship. Also exploration drones. I do see how the Odyssey is also convincing.

[@Kraytex1]

The carrack comes as default with its cargo modules. The carrack WILL be modular, the odyssey will not. We dont really know what kind of modules we will get at the moment, but mining, refining, hydroponics are all ideas they have for it.
One thing you forgot is that the carrack comes with a repair bay too. You might have the ability in the odyssey to refuel but no way to make food or repair components that may fail. Likewise you may end up in a system without quantanium. So you could still end up stranded.
Shields are also not a reliable source of protection. The armor is what you need to look at for exploration. You may encounter something that drains shielding. This is why the carrack is supposed to have armor plates which covers the cockpit. Having the drones will also make the carrack a much better exploration craft too. They suppose to be multipurpose so they can be refit for refueling and rescue.
The odyssey is a cool ship, but its never going to beat the carrack when it comes to exploration. They might be nice to pair up. Refining fuel is cool.. but only if you can find it.

[@Sams911]

yeah.... no... The Carrack is my all time favorite.. I have a soft spot for it. Do wish they'd swap the size 4's for size 5's. Good points btw... I just can't get mast the MISC look... reminds me of an Airstream trailer

[@1337murk]

I have a carrack, I prefer the odd, but don't like the look of it. Functionality outweighs looks tho

[@Nemoticon]

I think the differences are marginal and will come down to personal preferences and use. They are two different types of explorers, the Ody will be better for looking for resourses while the Carrack will be better for mapping. The Ody definitely has it on paper specs, but the Carrack will always be able to hold its own and stay relevant as far as large explorers go. I like both and I think the Ody is a very interesting prospect, especially with it's mining capabilities and refinery. But right now, I do favour the Carrack having had it in our hands and experienced it usability and personality. Additionally, the Carrack might even square up to the Ody having less shield but more armour!

[@Syphirioth]

Carrack is military original ship. It's meant to be closer to frontline and be more safe than odyssey. Odyssey wanna stay far away from that. I think carrack will be better to spot anything pretty much. Because that's what mapping is supposed to be imo. Find resources. Find wrecks. Find enemies etc. Map it all out. Odyssey will be more a jack of trades sort of ship. That has great functionality but lacks the performance of the specified ships.

[@wuxtry]

Bro, great comparison. I don’t personally think just numbers are sizes are the be all end all. Armor will come into play, and I forget how big the mining heads are on the ship but it could be hard to mine the quant you need to get around. All in all it’s close. Great job

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

LOVE the Odyssey. I own one and have the Carrack as a loner for it I believe. Can't wait to get it into my hangar.

[@marcuswynn89]

Odyssey is better imo

[@Turbo_Toad]

I melted my carrack as soon as the oddessy was announced. Love everything about it and it's design language as misc is dope.

[@subbss]

A LOT of people did, and I expect many of those will regret that eventually when all the features of the carrack actually function.

[@Turbo_Toad]

I mean both have substantial functions and the carrack won't be the go all be all. Eventually they're gonna have more ships in this class for exploration also.@@subbss

[@entofol541]

I've decided to move from the Corsair to the Carrack, not forgetting the Odyssey and thinking about any other concepts in this line that may come out, but in the meantime I'm sticking with the Carrack. Certainly the refinery and the ability to extract quantum is a very strong point, but other than that, the loadout, the more distributed weapons, the military construction, (assuming more toughness in the hull), and the modularity, (rotating part of the load). to a hypothetical science module for example) will pull me towards the Carrack, for now.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Carrack has, repair drones, less overall cost due to smaller components, convenient landing spaces and no refinery yet, (could be a module) to break. I wonder how much that will cost to replace and can you still fly without a refinery on the Odyssey ?

[@Marlax-101]

there was talk about some drones being able to siphon fuel if they add it to the game it wont need a refinery just victims. or findings.

[@ivanshiek]

From the image of the bridge on the Odyssey, it looks like it will be larger than the Carrack. The window in the front is too small for two pilots, so I think the scale is larger if the human head is going to see out of it. And if it is that large for the bridge... Imagine the size of it! If it is Capital size, it will be at least the size of an Idris or Javelin!

[@Pappy_1775]

I think the Carrack modules will make it a real competitor for the Odyssey. Say the modules the Carrack gets are a mining head and a refinery (and that's only two of the three modules) then it would give the Odyssey a real run for its money. Saying that, I got an Odyssey. I knew before it was announced what that mining head was going to be used for when all the "experts" were saying it was a "deep vein" mining explorer.

[@kobodera8261]

Big ships are cool for sure... but they ALL have the same weakness... or rather, the same issue.
Bedlogging.
As long as CIG does not figure out bedlogging for crews and only the owner of the ship can bedlog if everyone else is off the ship... then essentially every ship out there, no matter what size, is a single player ship that can bring passengers for a trip, but not an extended stay.
To me, crew bedlogging is essential to make the multicrew experience real... even more so than engineering.

[@gunner1177]

Found your channel when you where on space tomatoes podcast and liked your car reviewer point of view. I’m looking forward to seeing where your channel grows to!

[@marcuswynn89]

Thank you bro!

[@bandi42]

As mention below, the carrack has 3 unknown module areas, thus once these come to light, there may be a small refinery in one, mining module, etc.

[@dragofire5063]

It was mentioned recently that there is an large vehicle garage module pod planned.

[@user-cc8cy6rw5g]

Consider that capital class components will need dedicated facilities to be repaired, while large components are more easily taken care of. Yes, the Oddy can mine and refuel its fuel, but the Carrack has drones and repair facilities to be self sufficient. Also what you said about the turrets is not correct, all of the carrack’s guns can shoot forward. Matter of fact the Carrack has literally no blind spots.

[@saosaoldian6742]

It’s a tough call. The Carrack has repair drones and the cargo containers are supposed to be modular. The scanning capabilities remain to be seen for both. I have the carrack and have a CCU to the Odyssey for whenever it comes out. You have a good point in cap class shields tho. Good vid.

[@Marlax-101]

depending what ends up being accepted for drones its a lot of flexability. talk of salvage drones siphoning fuel could even solve refueling issues and if any medical drones can slide out it could do medical rescues without needing to fit the rescue or the argo rescue later on.

[@danielpurcell1558]

I'm personally working on a carrack CCU chain, and have a starfarer gemini to endeavor ccu locked in. I think that will suit my purposes better than trying to get a cheap odyssey at this point.

[@--Richard--]

Odyssey FTW.
The carrack has the personality of a wet cardboard. Ships that try to do too many different things at once don't do anything well. I'd even go so far as to say that if it didn't have a respawn bed, it wouldn't be half as popular

[@dragofire5063]

Odyssey has no armour, vehicle garage, near 100% turret coverage, modular pod's, can focus fire any three turrets on targets. Comes default with Ursa and picse

[@Rooakh-xn4df]

Although the Odyssey can carry my favorite ship, the Terrapin, I still chose the Carrack. I like Anvil's design language, toughness, and purpose.

[@svarten70]

I understand why people want to compare them, but they are totally different... Carrack is an Explorer, finding and charging jump portals... The Odyssey is a surveyor craft, planetary explorer if you will...

[@gittyupalice96]

I agree with most everything, there's no denying that 4 capital class shields are gonna be insane.. That's light years beyond the vast majority of ships in the game. However, I have to shoot down the fuel refinery, your just not going to need to refuel often enough to where its crippling to not have that ability.. I believe the carrack will be able to navigate around pyro for example, for a very long period of time without needing any refueling. I'm not saying that it wont come in handy to be able to refuel yourself, but I see it more as a gimmick than a necessity, that combined with the scanners the carrack is equipped with, I don't think the Odyssey is capable of finding the same locations the Carrack can either. So with that I would say both are great ships, but if you want to be sort of out on the fringes of space without the help of other factions or players I think the Carracks gonna do a better job of that to be honest. I just see the Odyssey as a Giant swiss army knife, it kinda does everything but nothing specialized like the Carrack. Good ship the Odyssey, but I already have 14 other swiss army knife ships I'll keep the Carrack as my specialized purpose built explorer.. (also side note, I forgot the Carrack is going to be one of the ships with Heavy armor in the game. What exactly that means I don't know yet, but that might be another argument against the shield disparity.)

[@KnyfFite]

All good points. I'm really interested to see how it all plays out. I think most of the older ships will be getting an update once all the new gameplay mechanics are online. The Carrack might get some new features, and the Odyssey is still in Concept so things are probably gonna change. And they're definitely gonna do some balancing to make sure no one ship is dominating.

[@Syphirioth]

Odyssey not meant to dominate. It's not a frontline ship by any means.

[@KnyfFite]

@@Syphirioth not necessarily combat. I doubt they want any one ship dominating in gameplay hours in general. If the Odyssey is outright the best exploration or all-rounder ship based on usage then they'll either bring other ships up to match it or pull back on some of the functionality.

[@Syphirioth]

@@KnyfFite It will be the best ship if you want to take prospector into deep space for example. It will be the best ship for small group to stay on ship for very long and into very far distances. But it will not be the mapper/Explorer like the Carrack. Carrack will beat the odyssey on It's purpose. When you have a big fleet you want that Carrack as support. Not the odyssey.

[@user-mc8le6tx4y]

Something you missed that makes the Carrack still the better bet IMHO. Your forgetting Misc has crap for armor where the Carrack is heavily armored. If you pop that single cap shield it takes a very long time for it to come back up. Having 2 large allows mix and match stats so you can have one that comes online quicker or better suited to withstand EMP burst or distortion weapons and another just rare HP.
Toe to toe fight the Carrack will take the Odyssey. Sure the odyssey has capital shield and slightly larger guns but we are missing one of the largest defense options. Hell I know the Carrack today can take a hit from the main gun on an Idris and keep going.
My org mate has the Odyssey as we are going to compare them in another 3 years when it comes out... Don't get me wrong the larger hanger and ability to make its own fuel is nice. They have already said it can't refuel anything unless it fits in the hanger. Draw back is capital components can only be serviced at a very small subset of locations will be more limited than large. If they allow the Carrack drones to repair larger components then I see these two being next to each other a lot it would not be a combination I wouldn't want to pick a fight with. Currently those drones are said to only be for exploration so remote sensors mostly. With 0 design on exploration and only design on PvP currently it's years out before either of these technically makes sense.
Carrack today is one of the best multiplayer ships. It's decent in combat it's good for transport well was before the cargo rework, its rare med bed equipped ship with enough firepower to do any current mission. Needs help taking on an idris if it's not fully crewed.

[@Borengar629]

4:10 I think you misread that shields. The Odyssey has 1 cap shield (size 4) and the Carrack has 2 large ones (size 3). So I think they are fairly close together with the Odyssey only being ahead by a small margin

[@dragofire5063]

This is true, but the carracks 2x large will regen faster and slight higher HP amount, so they might have an lower HP pool for damage, it counters that with much better HP pool regen.

[@Marlax-101]

@@dragofire5063 but also having 2 vs 1 means you have redundant systems and large parts are probably more common to find. altho i think you still need special repairs over medium.
soon as the ody looses that capital plant or its mining equipment it will die and need a lot of help back.

[@kingknossosthebull9796]

I actually use the Carrack for ERTs. I keep either an arrow or a fury inside. After I kill the bounty, i load the loot. Unfortunately, you can't get the loot in the Carrack loot holds currently, just in the vehicle pad area. I think once they make those cargo holds available to the exterior, it will be really good. I did buy The Perseus and The Galaxy on the 25th though. One of those might fit the role better.

[@lorienninavah6696]

I would say Perseus more so, but you will be hit by the restocking fees afterwards. You have a small cargo hold for the expensive loot, and plenty of guns and toros to handle the large targets you will be facing.

[@kingknossosthebull9796]

The respawn-able med bed is pretty vital, too, though. When something goes wrong and I die I just suit up from armor stored on the Carrack and grab another Fury or the Arrow. It's a lot better than respawning at a station. @@lorienninavah6696

[@Riskmynuttz]

This is a good conversion. size 5 weps dont really mean much. when you look at the systems. 2 cools on the Carrrack fast regen. times. and 2 size 3 shields.. vers. yes 1capital cooler and 1 shields. I feel that the Carrack would come out on top if there was a battle between the two. once your missiles are gone that is it. My opinion anyways.

[@dragofire5063]

That the thing, for am long duration ship the Odyssey has no redundancy with its components, and being capital size means they cannot be repaired or replaced at and outpost, Station or port, it requires shipyards to do this.
And the missile issue was an concern as after a few engagements with attacker's you'll have no missiles available till you find an outpost or Station with same sized missiles or waste cargo space to store extra missiles.
The Carrack being fully gun and energy weapons based has no ammo requirements so not requirements to find extra ammo.
The Carrack at lease?can run two quality of fuels in hydrogen and quantum, so you could move all Station purchased into one tank and then load local refined fuel into the second tanks.
So Carrack has better versatility in running and less required support from out side support.

[@MatthewGleed]

You missed the largest reason people are going to buy the Odyssey, the actually usable sized hangar (at least for me). Being able to land the size ships I actually fly in the Odyssey is huge.

[@shrapnelface5978]

I would choose the Naughty Nautilus, it poops out space bombs.

[@polla2256]

By the time this game releases, the Carrack will be redundant unless it receives a major rework. CIG need to listen to the fans on this one.

[@doodlePimp]

Don't get me wrong, the Odyssey is a great ship and I'll probably happily fly it but the video is not making a fair comparison.
Odyssey will not get modularity and the Carrack will (The 3 cargo modules it currently have are designed to be lifted down and left behind). The s5 weapons on the Odyssey are bad against fighters because of the slow projectile speed. Carrack will not only get drones but also component repair, JP scanning, that special cartography room and high armor which will matter a lot in combat (Like described in the Zeus Q&A in the question about the bounty hunter variant).

[@JohnnyStroud]

Many thanks, Marcus. The MISC brings to bear for me the first sci-fi ship that captured my imagination when I was a child back in the 1960s, the famed Jupiter 2 of "Lost in Space."
I jokingly say the Odyssey will be the very last ship I purchase from Star Citizen. (Riiiiight) 😊
Like you, I feel the ultimate space ship will allow its crew to survive out in the fringes! Good job, sir.

[@MysteicVoltronus]

Got my answer about his opinion 7 seconds in by the way he said Anvil Carrack. He sounded so disappointed.

[@prism3896]

I want like a small carrier or maybe not a carrier but something that can carry a single arrow or gladius with which i can haul and stuff

[@drgnsenpai]

Got my Carrack to the Odyssey CCU ready and waiting

[@durtyred86]

You can't just make any ship modular. The Carrack IS modular. Not might be. It is. The Odyssey is not. Not saying that's a winner tick but, it's good points in my eyes.

[@maxvonkrieger5043]

When you lose a engine on the side, you need to turn off the other engine on other side, it should be able fly, not very stable but enough to land or w/e.

[@Jangmo_SC]

I wouldn’t be so hung up on component sizes, rather what function is the ship supposed to perform?
None of the components matter as they will be adjusted, the scope of the ship, not so much.

[@Virulent_16]

I think the one that's better right now is, the one that flies.

[@Shakerroo]

I melted my Polaris for the oddysey. Like you I think it will suit my game play more.

[@Marlax-101]

carrack will beat the ody in general in any hostile area. better armor, redundant systems with more power supplies ect. easier repairs and maint.
the ody will be able to go out and do things but will need to stop to mine fuel, find solutions to repair, and if their components ever go down its dead in the water, captial class parts will be harder to find and it has no redundant systems.
biggest plus it has is its guns and missiles so short term it will be a power house but eventually it will wear down and need a lot more support.

[@mabutoo]

The Carrack has been in game for years and it still spits players out in deep space. I agree that the odyssey is likely to be the better explorer.
I bought an Endeavor but it won’t be in game anytime soon.

[@charlescassels3826]

I think the focus of the Carrack is supposed to be different from the focus of the Odyssey, it’s more of what do you want to concentrate on with your gameplay? The Carrack is meant for space exploration and wormhole mapping whereas the Odyssey is the follow up ship that determines the specific attributes of planets and asteroids that have been designated by the Carrack. For me, it’s the drone gameplay and the fact that I was able to pick up a carrack very cheap to start getting practice with a large sized ship. If the 600i rework is completed and results as planned then I’ll likely melt the carrack and put the credit towards something else. Like a Hull D/E.

[@ashrahkitano6290]

You are correct. The Carrack is an actual exploration ship, the Odyssey is a Survey ship. Completely different roles.

[@Syphirioth]

I think min crew of 1 of odyssey might be correct. It seems to be the perfect ship for 1+ person and small orgs of 2-6 which not always have everyone online. Carrack is obviously not meant for 1 person. The interior is realy made for more people crewing it.
And yes odyssey is big. But that because of the hangar. And because of all the things it has going inside. This might mean that you can easily solo odyssey because the stations to be manned are not realy important as in the carrack. (I leave out defensive turrets)
But like mining station and pilot is not realy something that is needed. pilot and pilot for vehicle in hangar. not realy needed. same as in carrack. However the difference is in the mapping/exploration of carrack. That will require a pilot and people doing that in the dedicated room. so thats min of 2-3 crew already when odyssey still at just one.
This logic applied to perseus make sense to. 6min crew and 6 max. Because its a frigate it need all defensive post manned for it purpose. Thats 6 out of 6 needed cause a ship at the front line need engineers and cant have a pilot hopping functions XD

[@durtyred86]

I love that the Carrack STILL goes toe to toe with a large, Capital ship lol. Thats just how good the Carrack was made. All these years later and it's still the measuring stick. Even for capital ships like the Odyssey. 😁

[@1337murk]

Still subject to change with an ever evolving game

[@koopakinkreet]

Oddysy refuels
Carrack repairs
Both are absolutely vital when you need them.
I think you can't go wrong with either ship.

[@redsamurai6586]

Odyssey for live! I know you don’t cover it but that hanger with this ship! Fit a fighter in it!!!!! Already better than Carrack 😅. I agree the mere fact you can go out and stay out is amazing also that the ramp connects to the hanger…..so you could store multiple vehicles inside 😮. FYI 100% the Carrack is modular, the three boxes on the bottom 😅

[@Lead1121]

carrack better because its actually in game o: lol jk the odessy looks much better in my opinion. I just hate how much it costs! also MISC sucks at making cockpit views

[@The-Rusty-Pigeon-Gamingchannel]

Getting only through the biggest jumpoints with the Odessey is also a negative

[@MidnightBlackSC]

Daaamn. This man woke up this morning and chose violence. 😂😂

[@marcuswynn89]

I gotta stick it to the carrack karens

[@jimflagg4009]

Carrack has Cargo yes but you can not access it. There are no side doors on the pods.

[@eugenejackson1358]

I don't like either ship, and I do not get the appeal for carracks. But there are better comparisons than this. They are different ships that do entirely different things. The Carrack scans out worms hols, and the Odyssey scans planets and other mineral deposits. The Carrack is also armor-dependent, which doesn't do you any good right now, but this comparison only does some good if that is not the unit of measurement because none of the gameplays are out for either ship. If you want a top-tier multi-crew daily driver with firepower etc, neither of these ships would be an intelligent investment.

[@Syphirioth]

Why would Odyssey be better at mapping something than a ship made for mapping?
Odyssey description say nothing about it being to be specifically for mining? The only reason it has that is to be supremely self sufficient.

[@chrisgatlin5832]

Hey Marcus what’s your game handle and what org are you in ?

[@markmlongrie426]

I keep seeing you make this mistake, or perhaps I don't understand. You said 4 capital shields. It has 1, I see 1. The 4 you see is size 4, or capital. small 1, medium 2, large 3, capital 4. I've seen you look at other ships like this also. The shields on the odyssey appear to be about 30% better than the carrack.

[@dragofire5063]

More components adds redundancy and recharge faster than a single large component.

[@marcuswynn89]

By your own logic the carrack will have more components than the odyssey

[@dragofire5063]

@marcuswynn89 the Carrack already has double the component count.
As most know a size smaller shield regeneration is faster than the larger, and one to one yes the larger shield has more HP, but when you have more shields that individually regen faster the the larger each extra increases the amount HP regenerated that this faster rate. Same applies to all multiple components.
Other thing is there aren't meant to be many shipyards around border regions, those repairing or replacing capital components will be extremely limited if not in core systems.

[@Sryd770]

Can you do the Banu Merchantman and The Misc Odyssey Next?

[@marcuswynn89]

merchantman and odyssey are not even close to being in the same class but i will give it a shot

[@Sryd770]

@@marcuswynn89 I agree, but I always wanted a base on the move. So I thought since they were around the same price range and considering odysseys quantum mining/refining, and merchantman's huge cargo capacity w/huge pilot controlled weapons in addition to its mobile bazaar. Niche matchup yea, but they both can definitely be used as a exceptional mobile base for a small crew that's more into exploration. Maybe even solo with hired NPC's.
P.S.*I'm referring to exploration in the future for anyone else reading this*

[@nolan6137]

Carrack is S tier and I love it but weapons at size 5 receiver notable range, damage and shield penetration over size 4s. Also those capital components for only being a bit larger is pretty cool.

[@marcuswynn89]

Odyssey is god tier

[@dragofire5063]

Biggest issue with the Odyssey is no redundancy as it only has single fuel tanks and shield generator, loose any of those three you're going to be screwed when out in the black lightyears away from any shipyard or support ship capable of replacing or repairing those size components.
No idea why everyone forgets this issue with capital components.
At least the Carrack has redundancy and can get to any port to repair or replace large components.

[@marcuswynn89]

@dragofire5063 so you can’t bring extra components with you on your journey?

[@dragofire5063]

@marcuswynn89 not capital as these have been planned to only be changed at capital ship shipyards which will only in specific systems.
Engineering gameplay will be critical for capital components to keep them from becoming damaged or destroyed.
Even most large components cannot be removed by players and require spaceport to replace. Though some large components like coolers and computers are the same size as medium powerplants, so in theory we can change them, but corridors and doorways are the issue there, as most are even too small for even medium sized components to be moved through.

[@infinitereachministries4279]

CCUed from Carrack to Odyssey this IAE.

[@pheebs8451]

I prefer the look of the Oddysey but until we understand it’s purpose it’s very difficult to comment on a video like this.

[@marcuswynn89]

It’s marketed as an exploration ship

[@venturetales7131]

Lol the copium in this comment section is priceless

[@Ace-Brigade]

A ship is either modular from the get-go or not. CIG is not going to go back and make it modular if it wasn't before. You can't just make up facts to prove your point. PS I hate the Carrack and have an Odyssey.

[@lystic9392]

It will probably be a lot more expensive. But better... Not sure.

[@michaelarnold6848]

does the odyssey have a machinists bay like the carrack does?

[@VolondM]

Carrack has much better visibility, which is pretty important for an exploration ship.

[@1337murk]

I was gonna upgrade my carrack to the od, but couldnt justify spending the extra plus ill likely end up melting it in the future anyway

[@Pharesm]

Who knows. It never had any work shown and even the 2024 Galaxy just got changed to 2025!
I can only say don't buy this expensive shit, when they immediately push it back.
They have an entire graveyard of un-done ships, and you don't know how they turn out. Often newer direct-to-flight ships end up a better ship and a better ship. You'll just sitting around in backburner hell.

[@defelion]

the modularity of the carrack was planned from the starts its the 3 cargo modules there will be able to be placed down and replaced with other modules

[@lesh.354]

I know your trying to compare…..but you assume a lot. One modules are going to change…i.e. i point at at the Zeus. Two your comparing the cargo on Carrak better….but those 3 bays are modules….i suspect this will be like the galaxy. Though galaxy will have a better layout. So modules could be a refinery for self sufficiency….could be expanded medical facility etc.
Three the scanning is probably going to be more survey for the odyssey not finding jumppoints.
Finally size…remove the engine pods and its basically same core body.

[@paratrooperz1]

i need to hear this!!!! hahahaha NO F'ing way is it better than carrack the carrack will have more maneuverability more offense more drones more everything that good where as the odyssey is a fuel miner and fuel refiner and a big garage with hitpoints it lacks many of the things that are exploration like less or smaller computers or scanners or maps.
in my opinion these ships shouldnt be compared with each other because they are very different in capabilities. i yet to find someone who can explain what the odyssey can do or good at as when i did the math that every other ship that can do the things the odyssey can do the other ships were more specialized...
as for the carrack there is a ship that can perform better! its called the endeavor. and if the carrack and odyssey did same things then i would compare them but thats not the case
also the idea the odyssey can go farther???? haha if you waste time to mine fuel then refine it then yes as for the carrack i flew a carrack for a month without repair or fuel launch my fighter to do missions as the enemy try to focus on my first ship to arrive in mission helping me kill fish in a barrel land fighter run to next mission
trust me when i say odyssey larger components wont prevent the carracks much greater offense and agility from mopping the floor with the odyssey
if you have friends that can respond to your distress then yes the odyssey will last long enough for a response where as the carrack will die faster but even if the odyssey can get the carrack low on shields the carrack can run out of weapon effective range and return when it wants then try to hold position on your weapon blind spots as the carrack doesnt have any blind spots as most of time all 4 turrets can converge on same target

[@kendallscott8908]

Simple answer is No. Your comparing a Winnebago to a Military exploration Vehicle. Double the cargo, Repair Shop, Drones and Modularity, To a ship with quantum mining and a better hanger with Cap components. Carrack has far more gaming loops for the Money. Now if your sole goal is to get far away from everybody as a solo player or 2, I could see the takin the Odyssey.

[@marcuswynn89]

Nah the odyssey will be far better at combat that the carrack. I have smoked many carracks with just two size 5 laser cannons with my A2

[@The-Rusty-Pigeon-Gamingchannel]

Do your homework if you give facts on a jpg ship 😂 dig the lore for clues 🕵️‍♂️ good luck.
It gives people real comparisons on these if the facts are correct. My use the 4 eye 👁️ principle. Like the Inforunners UA-cam channel. So there are more correct facts next time. 👍🏻
Thx for the content 😎

[@YouTubeIsAss]

I would love to see you debate the inforunners. They think th odyssey is worthless

[@marcuswynn89]

Just had an offline conversation with them

[@SpikeSatevis]

Сложно сказать что лучше, геймплея иследования нет, дронов нет, сбора данных тоже нет. Каррак пока это грузовик с мед. койкой, а Одисей - картинка...