Hi mate for J-kit 3:33 J-Kit which means they are fully bled in the factory and the brake line is disconnected at the lever end to allow for easier installation on frames with internal routing.
I would like to see these put on a test rig to assess lever force/stopping power. Obviously feel at the lever is a big point too, but empirical data would be useful to consumers.
I'm in love with this brakes, I started using the mt500 when I switched to a new bike, and I fountd them more easy to dosify than Xt m785 which I had in my previous bike. The only thing I can complain about mt500, is the more difficult procedure of replacing pads. Maybe I'm not a hard user, I'm 73kg and Xco rider, but I can't complain about mt500.
@@MB-ek1ub since when would you need to remove wheel or disc to change brake pads, wtf , you would just un-bolt the caliper if they insert from the bottom.....
I use the M6100 on my E-Bike with the Ice-Tech pads and rotors. No need to pay more for the XT. Braking power is just great and the price point is unbeatable.
The best comparos on You Tube, and it's not even close! My MT520s are the best feeling Shimano brake I have ever used. No wondering bite point and nice modulation before the resin (my choice) pads punch you in the face with their power. I've had all levels of Shimano brakes over the last 9yrs, and these are simply the best regardless of money.
Thanks, I want to put new brakes on my city bike but the hose goes through through the carbon fork. and I also want calipers I can remove the brake pads from the top so deore m6000 is best?
@@LoveMTB Thanks does the kit come with the little block clamp to help install the hose insert or is it a separate purchase? I already ordered a small bottle of mineral oil to keep in toolbox and in case I mess it up lol
If memory isn't playing up, I believe in mt-520 sets(which i have and mounted) the hose is newer and uses stainless inserts. Also i believe inserts are exact copies except the bore size, naturally brass has smaller bore to keep the insert equally strong. Bigger bore might have some importance with 4pot brakes. My suspicion is there might be internal differences in piston for how much oil is pushed in 4pot brake sets, but that's only my guess. Great material as always LoveMTB
That's exactly the brakes which came with the Merida middle-range carbon frame mtb that I bought past june! Yet they are ok for me; since I'm a low weight guy and it's an XC bike, I don't need super-strong brakes. When I'll have to replace the discs then I'll see if I find an upgrade at reasonnable price (these days, with the parts shortage due to covid and high sells of bikes, it's not the best moment!). BTW, here is the explanation about what is J-Kit: J-Kit J-Kit is a simple hose connection system for hydraulic brakes on internally routed hoses so that you can install your brake quickly and easily. The brake hose does not come connected to the brake to facilitate the routing of the hose in the frame. The brake hose is already filled with oil in the J-Kit and sealed with a thin membrane. There is a small pin in the J-Kit brake lever that pierces this diaphragm during assembly to allow oil to flow.
I purchased the M6100 brakes on Ebay on a listing that sold brand new items without the packaging. It was what it said it was so no problems there, but as suspected the hardware supplied was a bit random. For me who never have had Shimano brakes before I do not have any spare bolts, washers, snaprings etc. and I had no clue if the random selection of hardware would fullfill my needs to my setup. I ordered brackets to go with 180mm discs from IS mounts to PM, and I only discovered yesterday through some research that the hardware needed to mount the caliper to the bracket is different based on if the bracket is PM to PM or IS to PM. I just assumed it would be the same based on the rotor size, but I was wrong. I was already in the process of locating the right sized bolts etc for PM to PM and in this day and age I actually could not find any place who has got it all in stock. Thankfully I figured out eventually that I actually have the hardware I need so I don't need to source one tiny thing here, one there etc. Only thing missing now is actually the cup to screw on top of the master cylinder so I can remove any bubbles after the hoses are cut. I had to order a bleedkit last of everything because that was the only thing I knew the supplier would not run out of, so it does feel a bit cumbersome to have everything but that, but that's 2021 for you alright...
thanks so much sir! you help alot when it comes to distinguishing the difference of BH59 and 90. Im planning to combine a mt500 or deore lever with a BH59 cable from mt200
I could buy any brakes I want for my new frame coming. I still can’t shake my addiction to Saint brakes. Best brake without a single thing to think about after 100’s of rides. I am going to 223x 2mm Galfer rotors though.
Thanks friend. I'm currently building a bike for a friend and was thinking of getting the mt400 brakes since he's not an aggressive rider and would be riding gravel roads mostly. I like the look and feel of the Deore but I don't think they will be necessary for his riding style so we can save money there and get something that would be of more use to him like a really good saddle
Mt500 caliper looks very similar to the Alivio m4050 caliper. Trickle up trick? It would bring the price down for sure. Think Alivio caliper with Deore Master cylinder for the mt500. They will probably be great for xc and less aggressive trail riding. I would use them. If you bomb downhill, or ride really technical rocky stuff I would agree with the reviewer, m6000 and metallic all the way.
SLX you can service the piston in the lever. The Deore can not be disassembled so when the rubbers are gone or there is too much debree in the system you can buy a new lever. SLX also has a reach adjust you can chamge without tools. When you replace the freestroke screw with a normal bolt you ha e an XT level brake. SLX feels slightly more powerful, but that is only notoceable with a side by sode comparison and to be honest I haveu doubts if it is really true. You will notice a bigger difference between a 2 vs 4 piston brake.
The MT-4100 was unavailable for comment? Seems to have the iSpec EV, uses either resin or metal pads, has the new "brace" on the lever like the 8100. Seems okay at first impression, though lacking higher end adjustments. Update; I found the reach adjustment, it's a hidden hex bolt, not "tool free", the reach IS adjustable on the 4100.
Thanks for yet another great thorough video. I am curious about the wandering bite point that others have reported? This would be a deal breaker for many I think. What is your experience with these (and all the other you’ve reviewed..) brakes?
What about the 10spd deore vs the 6000 and 6100? Was servo wave available in all of them. They use the same same pads and have been super reliable for me since 2014. I use metal pads with 203 and 180 xt rotors. Thanks for explaining the inner diameter is the difference in the hoses.
Funnily enough in my country (Indonesia), the M6100 brakeset is cheaper than the MT501. Well actually 2 pot MT501 is almost as pricy as 4 pot M6120 brakeset.
Hello. i love your videos and reviews. Finally someone that gives practical information we can understand. speaking of, I'd like your opinion regarding these brakes and rotors. I have them on my XC hardtail, they work ok. But my rotors are SM-RT10 180mm front, and SM-RT54 160mm back. I was thinking to go for SM-RT70 180 front and back, for better cooling and option to use E01S sintered brake pads, since I go trough B01s like crazy. in your opinion, would these brakes work with SM-RT70 rotors? or do those cheaper rotors on my bike have wider braking surface, so it's pointless to swap for better rotors? thanks in advance, and keep up with the great work
@@LoveMTB that confused me, because XT rotor you measured is wider than cheaper one, so I couldn't understand it. I will try to measure braking surface on my rotor, and see is it possible to measure RT70 one, if I can persuade seller in the store to do it, to compare. Thank you. and keep up the great work :)
Do the discs actually make a noticeable difference? I can notice three differences: - expensive discs should stay cooler - expensive discs give you the choice between metal and resin brake pads. - expensive discs can be lighter (although if you care about that difference, just leave one glove at home, that's more weight saving) So as far as I can tell, if you're fine with resin pads and don't ride in extreme conditions where overheating is problematic, discs don't matter. What am I missing? Do the discs actually affect braking power noticeably?
@@LoveMTB looks are the most important indeed xD I guess the cutout pattern and size can make quite a difference. Otherwise I think the materials aren't very different. The contact surface is always steel and probably a very similar steel. I don't know that for sure though. Maybe I will try some more scientific testing in a few months or years, if I remember the topic then.
@@sebastianjost I'm running Shimano M390 brakes with RT56 discs for five years now and the only time i wanted something better was on my trip to Dolomites in Italy where we went on HERO course. Doing mainly XC routes. Yes there are many better brakes out there, but these cheapos are really good all in all. So about discs - if you're not a pro or not riding long steep downhills, I don't see a point in more expensive discs.
Спасибо, это полезное сравнение ( в магазине вам просто скажут эти лучше, потому, что дороже) Thank you, this is a useful comparison (in the store they just tell you these are better, because they are more expensive)
Hi. I have the mt501/500 if I change the hose with the bh90 will increase the performance? Can I upgrade the disc rotors and keep the mt500 caliper ? I want the slx rotor or xt. Or it will better to change the whole brake system? Awesome video thanks
Awesome video!! I have come from Maguras to Shimano brakes and got to say I'm not impressed so far (they are a bit spongy for my liking) - I think I'll end up upgrading the front brake to a 4-pot!
I bought the xtr m9120 4 pot brakes and put them on my Ritchey p29er because of a rear caliper position problem I couldn't fit the m9100, believe me, the 4 pots are good, almost dangerous on the p29er, it's too light....
@@LoveMTB sorry I didn't get the notification- they are the mt200 but I've upgraded to the mt501/520. I just wasn't getting any power from the original brakes - maybe it was me and my terrible bleeding/burping skills 😂
@@LoveMTB yeah even the San Quentin 3 doesn't have mid range brakes - I prefer one finger braking so the upgrade was always going to happen 👌 love the channel mate - keep up the excellent work!!
As always, a tricky question from me: does that tall brake pad, plays nicely with slx/xt/xtr discs, or does it fit better to (what seems like) a bit taller braking surface of those cheap shimano discs? I'm qurious, if better supported (narrower+taller, less overhang) pad isn't actually better at tranferring power? In pictures they seem so much narrower, amazing they aren't
Will this new deore m6100 fits with 2x10 deore m6000 Schifters? I have a normal clamp on handlebars not I-Spec. I thing it can fit between a clamp And this second handlebars touch
Hi, I've got M315 brakes wanted to replace with M6100 but the M315 clamp attachment is same as on BL501 while M6100 is a little offset, would it make it very far from the handle? I mean I'd have to push the shifter more inwards.
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hi! I just bought a Frankenstein pair of brakes in my local shop (there was not much to chose from, here in Chile we have a great stock problem because of covid) ... m8000 leavers bh90 hoses but mt400 calipers. Is that bad at all? I know mt400 is kinda low range but I don't know how little power I have right now compared with a Deore or Deore XT caliper as it should be. Also, know if this is bad for the proper function of the entire circuit or just less breaking power .... Regards !!!
Slx levers with an mt200/m315 caliper lol Currently use it 7100 lever, 315 caliper Wayyyy more modulation, felt like they were new pairs of brakes, for most xc and trail riding its enough. Won't recommend it for long enduro riding lol
Would be more helpful if you actually do stopping capability of these units. What is the point of a review of a brake set and performance information is not included.
You can actually buy metallic b01s pads from china. Together with slx discs metallic pads could be an option. I have bought those metallic b01s's but havent tested them yet.
Shimano E01S Metal pads is a direct replacement pad for all Shimano brakes using B01S Resin pads. I would also upgrade the discs to SM-RT66 or higher when using metal pads.
@@OYeahan I have M395 brakes with RT62 (old Deore LX metal compatible) rotors and Noah & Theo Sintered pads and they've been fine for the last few months, the stock B01S resin pads kept glazing.
What is your opinion about deore 6100 + shimano br m420 ? I want to replace shimano mt 200 with 6100+br m 420. I bought br m 420 but I don't like how it feels. My wheel brakes too suddenly. Is there any difference with the deore 6100 lever ? I mounted br m420 calipers on both wheels. The cable remained the original.
try different brake pads, some have less or more bite , also try smaller rotor, i would try pad types first, resin, semi-metallic, ceramic, metal etc, for less initial bite, sintered pads are great and semi-metallic
@@LoveMTB -Nice! What is the difference between the two hoses? I need to replace my rear brake hose cause it’s too short and I didn’t know which one to purchase on eBay. Sorry for all these newbie questions. Just got into mountain biking during the pandemic.
Hey I have a question... I heve the br-mt520 4pot caliper with the br-mt500 levers... My new bike has the news xt the 8100. Can I change the calipers to the 4pot br-mt520 and keep the xt 8100 levers or I have to change the whole brake system?
In regards to the difference between the BH59 and the BH90 hose are the BH90 a larger diameter internally? or a smaller diameter?..And would there be any performance advantage to change from the BH59 to the BH90 as the only change ?
bh90 is smaller, i have both bh59 and bh90 compatible levers, tried the bh90 in some old m395 and there is a lil wiggle space, i know the barb is smaller for bh90 compare to bh59, so would make sense
What are the dangers of running metallic pads on those non-Deore calipers (with metallic pad-compatible rotors ofc)? There are metallic pads available in that shape, even from Shimano.
@@LoveMTB well, but in the video I think you mentioned the option to use metallic pads as one of the advantages of M6000/M6100 calipers. I think that's probably mostly some marketing BS as the piston material is probably the same. It would be interesting to know what are the advantages of ceramic pistons though (SLX+).
RT76 on my MT500 causes the spider arms of the rotor to get used too. Wide vs narrow pad compatibility issue but some say it really doesnt affect much as long as rotor is below the top of pad.
@@LoveMTB thanks. But what I mean is I want to upgrade my mt410 levers to mt501 levers for the servo power. Is this possible? Or is it worth the upgrade?
@@LoveMTB I don't have much money to spend. The rotors are 180mm. I thinking of getting 6100/ 6120 for the rear because I can only find for the rear. And then mt501 lever for the front. Plus new 180 rotors that take metallic pads. I'm hoping that will do it.
@@LoveMTB Discs below RT60 have wide pad area, designed for tall pads (B01S). Using tall brake pad with narrow disc doesn't use all the pad area and it pushes on the parts of the disc not designed for that. bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/52466/shimano-third-party-rotor-compatibility-with-low-end-hydraulic-brakes
I was wondering if you tried mechanical disk brakes (avid bb7 mtb in mind)? If so, your opinion about them compared to the cheapest deore hydraulic brakes
Just Try the Shimano Deore Hydraulic brakes with RT64 Disk and you're not going back to any mechanical brakes! hydraulic is been around for some time now and shimano has perfected it.. a bit expensive but you will have more confidence and can ride much faster with powerful brakes like the Deores......
@@edwinbeltran2677 The thing is I sold my Orbea Alma with MT201 (low-end?) hydraulic brakes and I'm building a fully rigid Nordest Sardinha with bb7 mechanical brakes. I had enough of maintenance hours and I got used to ride slower with my gravel bike. I switched stopping power for more free time. Let's see how it goes
@@user-ht6em6po5u MT201 is a hydraulic starter kit for disk brakes i did use them for a while because it comes with my merida hybrid built bike. Although its hydraulic but not as powerful compare to my MTB bike deore brakes. I Never had any problems with it..
Im running MT520 calipers for close to 2 years now. They are finde, even for aggresive riding. Bike parks, enduro races, never had problem with them. But both of my mt501 levers died shortly after i bled them (a bit more than 1 year time)
@@tonyhruzek4250 I have Zee lever laying around, and I used the left one, but because my shifter is I spec II, i used M6100 lever, which i recently broke.. So Im back with mt501 for now. (I had my levers replaced by warranty) Probably will get SLX or above, because they will be stiffer. MT501 is noticeably less stiff than old 600 series SLX. They will flex under higher load. I might use my other Zee lever, but first, ill have to switch to 12s, with stand alone shifter. TMI i guess, that you dont need :D I bought my set of mt501 levers paired with MT520 calipers for about 130 euro shipped. For that price they are more than perfect :D
@@LoveMTB thanks mate. It's sad I order piston sealing rings they are 26mm diameter. I was thinking the deore ones were the same as the xt in diameter. Thanks anyway
@@LoveMTB yeah they are weirdly cheap and if I'm not wrong Shimano actually sold it for rebranding. Came across this brakes known as Xspark and it's exactly the same as 200. And generally they uses the pads design
@@LoveMTB sort of, not really but I did try it out. Not bad though, the piston itself looks like stainless steel to me. I believe it's actually a rebrand.
Maybe lucky you live in your country, when MT500 call as cheaper. Meanwhile in here, MT200 is expensive and people majority use mechanic brake or hydraulic but with no brand or not popular brand just like Radius, Meroca, Zoom, Oxo.
@@LoveMTB I agree it's easier to work with, as in - not as toxic/corrosive. But you also can wash it off with water. It's not possible with mineral oil. One drop spilled will contaminate a large area if you don't notice it in time.
@@LoveMTB To each his own :) Previously, I used BR-M785, now I'm using Code R. Both, Shimano and SRAM make great brakes and we can only be glad there are multiple options on the market now.
These are disposable products because you cant sevice the piston system. SLX is the minimum level. And XT has 0 extra value, because the freestroke does nothing substantial.
Hi mate for J-kit 3:33 J-Kit which means they are fully bled in the factory and the brake line is disconnected at the lever end to allow for easier installation on frames with internal routing.
I have some MT500’s, and they stop this 210 pound guy quickly and efficiently! I have absolutely no problem with them.
I would like to see these put on a test rig to assess lever force/stopping power. Obviously feel at the lever is a big point too, but empirical data would be useful to consumers.
I'm in love with this brakes, I started using the mt500 when I switched to a new bike, and I fountd them more easy to dosify than Xt m785 which I had in my previous bike. The only thing I can complain about mt500, is the more difficult procedure of replacing pads. Maybe I'm not a hard user, I'm 73kg and Xco rider, but I can't complain about mt500.
Have mt500 as well. When you replace brake pads, you need to push back the cilinders in order to reset. So you need to remove the wheel/disc anyhow.
@@MB-ek1ub since when would you need to remove wheel or disc to change brake pads, wtf , you would just un-bolt the caliper if they insert from the bottom.....
try m675 upwards, easy as piss to change brake pads.
I got the MT500's 2½ years ago. Paired them with some SLX discs and after a short time changed to Nukeproof semi-metallic pads. Nice!!! :)
@@LoveMTB A lot. They have a strong immediate bite to them. Very reassuring.
I wish all product presentations/comparisons were more like this video. Also, I like very much that Norco XC toy.😉👍
I use the M6100 on my E-Bike with the Ice-Tech pads and rotors. No need to pay more for the XT. Braking power is just great and the price point is unbeatable.
The best comparos on You Tube, and it's not even close! My MT520s are the best feeling Shimano brake I have ever used. No wondering bite point and nice modulation before the resin (my choice) pads punch you in the face with their power. I've had all levels of Shimano brakes over the last 9yrs, and these are simply the best regardless of money.
@@LoveMTB It's crazy just how good their lower level brakes are..... Have a Merry Christmas brother.
I use mt6100 on my Trek rail, nice brakes they improved once I swapped stock pads with vented metal ones, don't need much more brake power.
I've the same BR-M6100. I need change brake disc and pads. So i can use the metal vented pads in video? With mt76 disc?
I always find helpful information even in your older videos.
Thanks!
They're still current, tech has not changed!
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J-Kit is the preassambled, prebled versions of the Sihimano brakes.
Note that brake levers using BH59 hose and marked "FOR J-KIT" require the Y8H298040 insert with a groove in the head.
Thanks, I want to put new brakes on my city bike but the hose goes through through the carbon fork. and I also want calipers I can remove the brake pads from the top so deore m6000 is best?
@@LoveMTB Thanks does the kit come with the little block clamp to help install the hose insert or is it a separate purchase? I already ordered a small bottle of mineral oil to keep in toolbox and in case I mess it up lol
If memory isn't playing up, I believe in mt-520 sets(which i have and mounted) the hose is newer and uses stainless inserts. Also i believe inserts are exact copies except the bore size, naturally brass has smaller bore to keep the insert equally strong. Bigger bore might have some importance with 4pot brakes. My suspicion is there might be internal differences in piston for how much oil is pushed in 4pot brake sets, but that's only my guess. Great material as always LoveMTB
@@LoveMTB thanks and all the best for You and family too.
That's exactly the brakes which came with the Merida middle-range carbon frame mtb that I bought past june!
Yet they are ok for me; since I'm a low weight guy and it's an XC bike, I don't need super-strong brakes. When I'll have to replace the discs then I'll see if I find an upgrade at reasonnable price (these days, with the parts shortage due to covid and high sells of bikes, it's not the best moment!).
BTW, here is the explanation about what is J-Kit:
J-Kit
J-Kit is a simple hose connection system for hydraulic brakes on internally routed hoses so that you can install your brake quickly and easily. The brake hose does not come connected to the brake to facilitate the routing of the hose in the frame. The brake hose is already filled with oil in the J-Kit and sealed with a thin membrane. There is a small pin in the J-Kit brake lever that pierces this diaphragm during assembly to allow oil to flow.
I purchased the M6100 brakes on Ebay on a listing that sold brand new items without the packaging. It was what it said it was so no problems there, but as suspected the hardware supplied was a bit random. For me who never have had Shimano brakes before I do not have any spare bolts, washers, snaprings etc. and I had no clue if the random selection of hardware would fullfill my needs to my setup. I ordered brackets to go with 180mm discs from IS mounts to PM, and I only discovered yesterday through some research that the hardware needed to mount the caliper to the bracket is different based on if the bracket is PM to PM or IS to PM. I just assumed it would be the same based on the rotor size, but I was wrong. I was already in the process of locating the right sized bolts etc for PM to PM and in this day and age I actually could not find any place who has got it all in stock. Thankfully I figured out eventually that I actually have the hardware I need so I don't need to source one tiny thing here, one there etc. Only thing missing now is actually the cup to screw on top of the master cylinder so I can remove any bubbles after the hoses are cut. I had to order a bleedkit last of everything because that was the only thing I knew the supplier would not run out of, so it does feel a bit cumbersome to have everything but that, but that's 2021 for you alright...
Thanks, great content as always. I might get these if I ever build up a winter HT again.
thanks so much sir! you help alot when it comes to distinguishing the difference of BH59 and 90. Im planning to combine a mt500 or deore lever with a BH59 cable from mt200
I could buy any brakes I want for my new frame coming. I still can’t shake my addiction to Saint brakes. Best brake without a single thing to think about after 100’s of rides. I am going to 223x 2mm Galfer rotors though.
Can’t beat the Saints!!
Thanks friend. I'm currently building a bike for a friend and was thinking of getting the mt400 brakes since he's not an aggressive rider and would be riding gravel roads mostly. I like the look and feel of the Deore but I don't think they will be necessary for his riding style so we can save money there and get something that would be of more use to him like a really good saddle
Mt500 caliper looks very similar to the Alivio m4050 caliper. Trickle up trick? It would bring the price down for sure. Think Alivio caliper with Deore Master cylinder for the mt500. They will probably be great for xc and less aggressive trail riding. I would use them. If you bomb downhill, or ride really technical rocky stuff I would agree with the reviewer, m6000 and metallic all the way.
Great video as always, love your channel, please keep up great work.
Im torn between SLX vs Deore Breaks.
SLX is quite expensive.
whats the difference between the 2?
SLX you can service the piston in the lever. The Deore can not be disassembled so when the rubbers are gone or there is too much debree in the system you can buy a new lever.
SLX also has a reach adjust you can chamge without tools.
When you replace the freestroke screw with a normal bolt you ha e an XT level brake.
SLX feels slightly more powerful, but that is only notoceable with a side by sode comparison and to be honest I haveu doubts if it is really true.
You will notice a bigger difference between a 2 vs 4 piston brake.
The MT-4100 was unavailable for comment?
Seems to have the iSpec EV, uses either resin or metal pads, has the new "brace" on the lever like the 8100.
Seems okay at first impression, though lacking higher end adjustments.
Update; I found the reach adjustment, it's a hidden hex bolt, not "tool free", the reach IS adjustable on the 4100.
@@LoveMTB true, but entry level just received an upgrade.
Thanks for yet another great thorough video. I am curious about the wandering bite point that others have reported? This would be a deal breaker for many I think. What is your experience with these (and all the other you’ve reviewed..) brakes?
I got metalic pads with SwissStop disks for my MT500 that came with my Norco Revolver. It works great for an XC bike.
So only resin pads with the MT500, hmm. Or is there an aftermarket equivalent metallic/semi pad available?
There are always aftermarket options but I did not use any metallic pads for the MT500
What about the 10spd deore vs the 6000 and 6100? Was servo wave available in all of them. They use the same same pads and have been super reliable for me since 2014. I use metal pads with 203 and 180 xt rotors. Thanks for explaining the inner diameter is the difference in the hoses.
Funnily enough in my country (Indonesia), the M6100 brakeset is cheaper than the MT501. Well actually 2 pot MT501 is almost as pricy as 4 pot M6120 brakeset.
Hi ! Nice video !
And Thanks a lot!! Yesterday I installed my brakes!! Works perfectly thank you again for your tutorial
What about shifter compatibility for 6100? I heard some shifter type not well installed due to additional contact point (such xt/alivio)
Really useful and detailed video. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
funny intro as it was rainy today and yes, i'm thinking of bike upgrades 🤣
I've the same BR-M6100. I need change brake disc and pads. So i can use the metal vented pads in video? With mt76 disc?
M6100 Deore for sure, no problem
i love the way how it looks your bike
Just subbed , freaking great work man 💪
Hello. i love your videos and reviews. Finally someone that gives practical information we can understand. speaking of, I'd like your opinion regarding these brakes and rotors. I have them on my XC hardtail, they work ok. But my rotors are SM-RT10 180mm front, and SM-RT54 160mm back. I was thinking to go for SM-RT70 180 front and back, for better cooling and option to use E01S sintered brake pads, since I go trough B01s like crazy. in your opinion, would these brakes work with SM-RT70 rotors? or do those cheaper rotors on my bike have wider braking surface, so it's pointless to swap for better rotors? thanks in advance, and keep up with the great work
@@LoveMTB Sorry. I have MT500. that's why I ask here, because it's review of these brakes. sorry for misunderstanding
@@LoveMTB that confused me, because XT rotor you measured is wider than cheaper one, so I couldn't understand it. I will try to measure braking surface on my rotor, and see is it possible to measure RT70 one, if I can persuade seller in the store to do it, to compare. Thank you. and keep up the great work :)
Do the discs actually make a noticeable difference?
I can notice three differences:
- expensive discs should stay cooler
- expensive discs give you the choice between metal and resin brake pads.
- expensive discs can be lighter (although if you care about that difference, just leave one glove at home, that's more weight saving)
So as far as I can tell, if you're fine with resin pads and don't ride in extreme conditions where overheating is problematic, discs don't matter.
What am I missing?
Do the discs actually affect braking power noticeably?
@@LoveMTB looks are the most important indeed xD
I guess the cutout pattern and size can make quite a difference.
Otherwise I think the materials aren't very different. The contact surface is always steel and probably a very similar steel. I don't know that for sure though.
Maybe I will try some more scientific testing in a few months or years, if I remember the topic then.
@@sebastianjost I'm running Shimano M390 brakes with RT56 discs for five years now and the only time i wanted something better was on my trip to Dolomites in Italy where we went on HERO course. Doing mainly XC routes. Yes there are many better brakes out there, but these cheapos are really good all in all. So about discs - if you're not a pro or not riding long steep downhills, I don't see a point in more expensive discs.
The cheapest rotors tend to bend much more easily.
@@OYeahan that could be a good point. You're right.
@@OYeahan Well, again, no issues with bending in 5 years. Maybe 205 mm are more prone to it, but my 180 and 160 not.
Спасибо, это полезное сравнение ( в магазине вам просто скажут эти лучше, потому, что дороже)
Thank you, this is a useful comparison (in the store they just tell you these are better, because they are more expensive)
0:07 dreaming for a mountain bike 😣
Hi. I have the mt501/500 if I change the hose with the bh90 will increase the performance? Can I upgrade the disc rotors and keep the mt500 caliper ? I want the slx rotor or xt. Or it will better to change the whole brake system? Awesome video thanks
Great info on the shimano brakes Have you done any of the tektro disk brakes?
Awesome video!! I have come from Maguras to Shimano brakes and got to say I'm not impressed so far (they are a bit spongy for my liking) - I think I'll end up upgrading the front brake to a 4-pot!
I bought the xtr m9120 4 pot brakes and put them on my Ritchey p29er because of a rear caliper position problem I couldn't fit the m9100, believe me, the 4 pots are good, almost dangerous on the p29er, it's too light....
@@LoveMTB sorry I didn't get the notification- they are the mt200 but I've upgraded to the mt501/520. I just wasn't getting any power from the original brakes - maybe it was me and my terrible bleeding/burping skills 😂
@@LoveMTB oh and I've got the new Marin San Quentin 2 - a bit surprised that the put the cheapest shimano brakes on them!
@@LoveMTB yeah even the San Quentin 3 doesn't have mid range brakes - I prefer one finger braking so the upgrade was always going to happen 👌 love the channel mate - keep up the excellent work!!
@@LoveMTB happy new year to you too mate 👍
As always, a tricky question from me: does that tall brake pad, plays nicely with slx/xt/xtr discs, or does it fit better to (what seems like) a bit taller braking surface of those cheap shimano discs?
I'm qurious, if better supported (narrower+taller, less overhang) pad isn't actually better at tranferring power?
In pictures they seem so much narrower, amazing they aren't
Will this new deore m6100 fits with 2x10 deore m6000 Schifters? I have a normal clamp on handlebars not I-Spec. I thing it can fit between a clamp And this second handlebars touch
Hi, I've got M315 brakes wanted to replace with M6100 but the M315 clamp attachment is same as on BL501 while M6100 is a little offset, would it make it very far from the handle? I mean I'd have to push the shifter more inwards.
hi! I just bought a Frankenstein pair of brakes in my local shop (there was not much to chose from, here in Chile we have a great stock problem because of covid) ... m8000 leavers bh90 hoses but mt400 calipers. Is that bad at all? I know mt400 is kinda low range but I don't know how little power I have right now compared with a Deore or Deore XT caliper as it should be. Also, know if this is bad for the proper function of the entire circuit or just less breaking power .... Regards !!!
What do you recommend as in practicality? Thanks
M6000/6100 at a minimum
Have you try to use J02 with fin with mt500? As you said they have identical pads
Slx levers with an mt200/m315 caliper lol
Currently use it 7100 lever, 315 caliper
Wayyyy more modulation, felt like they were new pairs of brakes, for most xc and trail riding its enough.
Won't recommend it for long enduro riding lol
@@LoveMTB true! would be a great option if a newer brakeset is out of your budget
@@LoveMTB true, was opting for the deore m6100 brakes. if i do find one they sell it way above the srp so pretty messed up.
Really need to upgrade my brakes as the ones i Am using have bad modulation as sometimes the front locks when i don't need it and that can be an issue
@@LoveMTB thanks bro and what rotors should i use from Shimano? With this setup you told me ?
Would be more helpful if you actually do stopping capability of these units. What is the point of a review of a brake set and performance information is not included.
Someone know if the m6000 lever range go farther than the mt500 lever? Its something important for me because i have huge hands..
I have the M6000. I lost pressure, bled the line, but there is no pressure. Seems like I blew the piston. Are these levers serviceable?
You can actually buy metallic b01s pads from china. Together with slx discs metallic pads could be an option. I have bought those metallic b01s's but havent tested them yet.
Shimano E01S Metal pads is a direct replacement pad for all Shimano brakes using B01S Resin pads. I would also upgrade the discs to SM-RT66 or higher when using metal pads.
@@and30ers but Shimano officially says that these calipers aren't metallic-pad compatible. Wondering if they might overheat or what?
@@OYeahan I have M395 brakes with RT62 (old Deore LX metal compatible) rotors and Noah & Theo Sintered pads and they've been fine for the last few months, the stock B01S resin pads kept glazing.
What is your opinion about deore 6100 + shimano br m420 ? I want to replace shimano mt 200 with 6100+br m 420. I bought br m 420 but I don't like how it feels. My wheel brakes too suddenly. Is there any difference with the deore 6100 lever ? I mounted br m420 calipers on both wheels. The cable remained the original.
No it won't be different, it will be even worse. So you might want to get used to it...
try different brake pads, some have less or more bite , also try smaller rotor, i would try pad types first, resin, semi-metallic, ceramic, metal etc, for less initial bite, sintered pads are great and semi-metallic
i have used Deore M505 same Caliper as the MT500 only $80 Bucks CAD - RADIAL STYLE like MAGURA
FEEL like Shimano XT or SLX
@@LoveMTB EBAY Listing # : eBay item number:123165918026
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@@LoveMTB yeah - you are correct , Ebay Hit and Miss
where you go to Buy Then ???
Aliexpress ?
Can you use the bh90 on the bl-mt501 lever?
Awesome video! So can I use the BH90 brake hose with my MT501? Thxs!
@@LoveMTB -Nice! What is the difference between the two hoses? I need to replace my rear brake hose cause it’s too short and I didn’t know which one to purchase on eBay. Sorry for all these newbie questions. Just got into mountain biking during the pandemic.
Hey I have a question... I heve the br-mt520 4pot caliper with the br-mt500 levers... My new bike has the news xt the 8100. Can I change the calipers to the 4pot br-mt520 and keep the xt 8100 levers or I have to change the whole brake system?
@@LoveMTB thanks
In regards to the difference between the BH59 and the BH90 hose are the BH90 a larger diameter internally? or a smaller diameter?..And would there be any performance advantage to change from the BH59 to the BH90 as the only change ?
bh90 is smaller, i have both bh59 and bh90 compatible levers, tried the bh90 in some old m395 and there is a lil wiggle space, i know the barb is smaller for bh90 compare to bh59, so would make sense
What are the dangers of running metallic pads on those non-Deore calipers (with metallic pad-compatible rotors ofc)? There are metallic pads available in that shape, even from Shimano.
@@LoveMTB well, but in the video I think you mentioned the option to use metallic pads as one of the advantages of M6000/M6100 calipers. I think that's probably mostly some marketing BS as the piston material is probably the same. It would be interesting to know what are the advantages of ceramic pistons though (SLX+).
@@OYeahan ceramic, better heat resistence
shimano mt520 is everything i need in my life
Which is better and newer mt200 or mt500
How did you manage to mount an XT RT86 rotor on a caliper that use B01s pads?
RT76 on my MT500 causes the spider arms of the rotor to get used too. Wide vs narrow pad compatibility issue but some say it really doesnt affect much as long as rotor is below the top of pad.
man i like your movies becouse of two things - goddamn tech info and how you pronounce Deeeoreeeee
Can you put mt501 levers with mt400 calipers?
@@LoveMTB thanks. But what I mean is I want to upgrade my mt410 levers to mt501 levers for the servo power. Is this possible? Or is it worth the upgrade?
@@LoveMTB I don't have much money to spend. The rotors are 180mm. I thinking of getting 6100/ 6120 for the rear because I can only find for the rear. And then mt501 lever for the front. Plus new 180 rotors that take metallic pads. I'm hoping that will do it.
Hi sir i'm from Malaysia nice review
@@LoveMTB wow apreciate it thanks sir...
Do these three have the same exact lever?
Hi sir, can i put m500 caliper for my brake lever m615
@@LoveMTB sir what size of the oring inside the piston of m615 deore brake?
Thank you sir
Very informative!
I run resin pads because they feel better to me, is there still a benefit in running better discs than the RT56? Overheating is not a problem for me.
Shimano not recomend the RT66 rotor use on MT500 caliper
@@LoveMTB RT66 rotors works fine on MT500 calipers? The contact pads it `s not perfect on surface disc
@@LoveMTB Discs below RT60 have wide pad area, designed for tall pads (B01S). Using tall brake pad with narrow disc doesn't use all the pad area and it pushes on the parts of the disc not designed for that.
bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/52466/shimano-third-party-rotor-compatibility-with-low-end-hydraulic-brakes
@@LoveMTB Is the same difference in pads height? From the pictures it always seems more than 1.4 mm.
I was wondering if you tried mechanical disk brakes (avid bb7 mtb in mind)? If so, your opinion about them compared to the cheapest deore hydraulic brakes
Just Try the Shimano Deore Hydraulic brakes with RT64 Disk and you're not going back to any mechanical brakes! hydraulic is been around for some time now and shimano has perfected it.. a bit expensive but you will have more confidence and can ride much faster with powerful brakes like the Deores......
@@edwinbeltran2677 thank you!
@@LoveMTB many thanks as usual!
@@edwinbeltran2677 The thing is I sold my Orbea Alma with MT201 (low-end?) hydraulic brakes and I'm building a fully rigid Nordest Sardinha with bb7 mechanical brakes. I had enough of maintenance hours and I got used to ride slower with my gravel bike. I switched stopping power for more free time. Let's see how it goes
@@user-ht6em6po5u MT201 is a hydraulic starter kit for disk brakes i did use them for a while because it comes with my merida hybrid built bike. Although its hydraulic but not as powerful compare to my MTB bike deore brakes. I Never had any problems with it..
Have you reviewed the MT520 caliper yet? I am thinking of teaming the MT520 with the M615 brake lever. What do you think?
Im running MT520 calipers for close to 2 years now. They are finde, even for aggresive riding. Bike parks, enduro races, never had problem with them. But both of my mt501 levers died shortly after i bled them (a bit more than 1 year time)
@@m0nss7erKill What levers did you replace them with?
@@tonyhruzek4250 I have Zee lever laying around, and I used the left one, but because my shifter is I spec II, i used M6100 lever, which i recently broke.. So Im back with mt501 for now. (I had my levers replaced by warranty) Probably will get SLX or above, because they will be stiffer.
MT501 is noticeably less stiff than old 600 series SLX. They will flex under higher load.
I might use my other Zee lever, but first, ill have to switch to 12s, with stand alone shifter.
TMI i guess, that you dont need :D
I bought my set of mt501 levers paired with MT520 calipers for about 130 euro shipped. For that price they are more than perfect :D
@@m0nss7erKill Did the brakes come with BH90 brake hoses?
@@tonyhruzek4250 yes, they are BH 90 with silver inserts
A PROUD OG MADE IN MALAYSIA TAG
Can use M6100 brakeset with M5100 11spd drivetrain?
@@LoveMTB 👌
Thank you!
Do they ship in the Philippines?
hello the shimano m615 deore the diameter of the piston is 21 mm?( i am asking because i know youve reviewed
thanks in advance
@@LoveMTB thanks mate. It's sad I order piston sealing rings they are 26mm diameter. I was thinking the deore ones were the same as the xt in diameter. Thanks anyway
@@LoveMTByes they are . I was asking the diameter because after those sealing rings arrive they sell aluminium piston with ceramic tips they are 22mm
@@LoveMTB but I don't think will do that maybe when I do the service to the caliper will try to fit those sealing rings . Thanks for everything mate
are the mt500s still available in 2020?
@@LoveMTB thanks very much!
Vidéo très intéressante merci
In my country these are already high end
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How about the 315 355 and 200?
@@LoveMTB yeah they are weirdly cheap and if I'm not wrong Shimano actually sold it for rebranding. Came across this brakes known as Xspark and it's exactly the same as 200. And generally they uses the pads design
@@LoveMTB sort of, not really but I did try it out. Not bad though, the piston itself looks like stainless steel to me. I believe it's actually a rebrand.
@@LoveMTB how can I send you photos of it?
Maybe lucky you live in your country, when MT500 call as cheaper.
Meanwhile in here, MT200 is expensive and people majority use mechanic brake or hydraulic but with no brand or not popular brand just like Radius, Meroca, Zoom, Oxo.
Is it possible to use 203mm rotors on the Mt500 ?
In all seriousness - I hate mineral oil...... In bike brakes.
@@LoveMTB I agree it's easier to work with, as in - not as toxic/corrosive.
But you also can wash it off with water. It's not possible with mineral oil. One drop spilled will contaminate a large area if you don't notice it in time.
@@LoveMTB To each his own :) Previously, I used BR-M785, now I'm using Code R.
Both, Shimano and SRAM make great brakes and we can only be glad there are multiple options on the market now.
😃 ¡Saludos!.
These are disposable products because you cant sevice the piston system. SLX is the minimum level. And XT has 0 extra value, because the freestroke does nothing substantial.
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