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5000$ for a Charger, what planet does this crazy woman live on?
I paid 600$ for one installed on a 230V 16A breaker
She seems to be strong by the car lobby.
What area are you from? East coast or South I would assume. West Coast is Expensive a 3 bedroom house that's normal size for poor people with about 6ft of grass around it and a 1 car garage with a 12ft drive way is $800k minimum and some areas its $1.5m-$2m.
@@psycho-nutkase9233 Norway (Europe), but you don't need a garage to mount an EV charger, so I don't see what the cost of one has to do with the cost of a charger?
Mine is mounted outside...
The global chip shortage we just went thru showed that we are already completely reliant on other countries for critical components that have nothing to do with cobalt or lithium. Ford couldnt complete thousands of regular gas trucks because they were missing chips
(Edit) Ford HASNT finished thousands of trucks and SUVs (over 40,000) because of the missing chips. GM had 95,000 unfinished vehicles due to shortage.
And lets not talk about the environmental impact of these chips... Or the rare elements within, that have to be mined!
@@TravisFabel not to mention the platinum and other rare earth minerals in the catalytic converters.
@@slickatoe let's not forget how the mine Cobalt I'm the Congo..look it up
And now there is a chip surplus. Manipulated market. She is good reminds me of a top gear comparison between a Prius and a ford explorer. Explorer was greener. Oh and a m3 had better fuel mileage following the Prius that was going flat out on the track.
@@carlosoruna7174 it’s almost like shutting down the world economy for the common cold was a bad thing 🤔
This lady is a margarita away from saying Windmills cause cancer. Cites anecdotal experience as if every car user will be in her situation.
"I'm pro-truth" "Do your own homework, you can back up my facts and you'll know it to be true".
"Cadmium, mercury, neodymium in every single battery." Yeah, Googled that and there's no mass market EV being produced that contains Cadmium, mercury, or neodymium in their batteries.
EVs, "these are not recyclable".
Tesla currently recovers 92% of battery materials for use in new battery construction. Li-Cycle, American Manganese, and Redwood Materials have achieved up to 95% recovery of battery materials.
Well, windmills do kill birds, so there is a side effect.
@Henry Stone according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services the following are average yearly causes of bird deaths.
Cats: 2,400,000,000
Building Glass: 599,000,000
Vehicles: 214,500,000
Electrical lines: 25,500,000
Communication towers: 6,600,000
Oil Pits: 750,000
Land-based Wind Turbines: 234,012
@@warrensteel9954 That's BS. The American Bird Conservancy says the total number of birds killed is closer to 500,000 and the Wildlife Society estimated that 888,000 bats and 573,000 birds were killed at windfarms.
@Henry Stone the American bird society also says, if you scroll down.
"It should be noted that the estimates above are imperfect, as they are based on studies derived from an incomplete data set."
Even if you use their worst-case scenario, wind turbines still kill 250,000 fewer birds than the oil industry from just open oil pits. Also the number of birds killed by flying through air pollution is immeasurable.
I’m a PhD in chemistry. The analogy with eggs and cake was completely false. This is not how it works with metals. She clearly has little idea about what she is talking about. Probably the worst Winwiki video ever.
Redwood materials isn’t working on recycling batteries, they are recycling batteries with >95%
Exactly this is a hit piece and I hate it
6000 miles is all a Tesla takes to be carbon negative
@@KCJbomberFTW Just a question. Not trying to be an A-hole or anything. If a Tesla becomes carbon negative in 6k, is that assuming that all power from charging comes from green energy? If charging the car uses fossil fuels, can it still be carbon negative? If so, would that mean if I bought a gasoline generator and charged my car with it, would it not then be carbon negative? The only reason I ask is that most electricity everywhere but France, Japan, and the Netherlands... maybe? is made from fossil fuel. For an EV to be carbon neutral, or negative it would have to be charged with non-carbon fuels. Nuke works pretty well, but for some reason we (the U.S.) is dead set around getting rid of them. Hydro is great, but only works in places geographically suited to it. Wind is pretty cool, but again, geographically restricted. Solar is pretty neat, but also, to a lesser degree is geo restricted, and takes about.... I think it was 20 years to pay off initial investment. And then that is about the time they need replaced. Also, solar has a lot of heavy metals in it like Gallium. Solar is made using the same process as semiconductors are currently made from. Silicon etching requires many toxic chemicals as well. I did hear of a Fusion breakthrough, and hope that makes a difference, but until then, maybe the government shouldn't tell people what to buy. I mean it's not like they misplace/misspend money or anything. I'm sure all politicians are honorable and that there's no corruption in politics.....
@@MatthewScur fusion is a lie first of all it won’t happen on any meaningful scale in our lifetimes
We don’t need it we have fission it’s just as good
Second no it becomes carbon negative as in you’ve already offset everything to mine construct ship and charge
Fossil fuel in a moving vehicle is impossibly inefficient compared to even the dirtiest coal plant powering a Tesla
@@MatthewScur also Tesla Solar has offset more Gigawatts of energy than Every Tesla on earth has consumed.. the whole thing is carbon negative
@@KCJbomberFTWplease explain how all Tesla is carbon negative bc of Tesla solar. I bet if it was that successful we would all be on solar by now and please don’t give me a conspiracy theory. Doesn’t work in cases like this where money is easily available to anyone who wants to start a solar business. The fact few do is bc there is little profit to be made. Profit would be huge if solar and wind were truly as viable as every lay person seems to “think” they are. Until we go complete nuclear we are going to be carbon positive in significant numbers.
Paid a certified electrician $250 to install the 220v outlet in my garage. Not $5k
With the remaining 5k you could hire a guy commin to plug your car every night for a few years
The lady thinks about job market & macro-economy
🤣
Did you have to buy the home 220V outlet or was it included for free with the EV?
Same and then I got a $250 rebate from Georgia Power so $0 out of pocket
Lol way to ignore the environmental argument that justified that ev car in the first place
Cost me over 100 bucks just to have the county come out and inspect mine. Install prices are wildly dependent on where you live.
Cash for clunkers really had a big role against the automotive industry, also.
Cash For Clunkers definitely hurt. I also blame it for the shortage of the the 'cheap first car'
I’m all for cleaner new cars, but that program had way more to do with stimulus than clean air. I would argue that the lack of affordable used vehicles, especially simpler cars from the 90’s which were cheap and easy to maintain , played a significant role in inflation that we are experiencing today.
Pretty sure 100 years ago there was someone just like this railing against those damn horseless carriages…with very similar arguments against.
Honestly, the way to lower global emissions is to get rid of all these damn horseless carriages and go back to the good ol days of Whippin the buggies 🔥
Not this tired, overplayed horseless carriage argument... You people *do* realize the fundamental difference, right? Governmental oversight. The horse and buggy are, in fact, still street legal. Gasoline cars were not subsidized/mandated by the government--they were clearly advantageous in just about every category and the *private sector* jumped all over it--including the manufacturing and infrastructure to fuel and service gasoline cars. EVs must be so good for the masses that the government has to make it law that we buy them. See the difference?
@@CCCommander we’re being facetious brother 😂
@@sk8rboy509 lol oh I get that you are. cdismufasa is being dead serious, guaranteed.
@@CCCommander Are we going to ignore the fact that just 30 years before automobiles took off the “evil” government banned slavery and disabled the entire manual labor workforce propping up the South’s economy? Lincoln was a toxic liberal of his time. Dont be afraid of progress. Doing the right thing always leads to a stronger economy, with the added benefit of higher quality of life for all.
8:43 I had two nema 14-50 outlets installed in my garage by a certified electrician for $600
$2500 + $5000 is bonkers, nobody is paying that!!!
I can only imagine that cost if you house was built in the 1950s and has had zero upgrades to their electrical system and are still on a 100amp service. Might be more houses out there than I am aware of but that still seems extremely high.
It varies by your situation. It's not $600 in the median age home. Then there are the issue of when your neighborhood has maxxed out it's lines.
I had my charger installed for $180, the charger was $200.. level 2 at around 7.5 KWh
@@skenzyme81it’s only 30 amps
I’m neither pro or anti EV, but any source material would’ve been nice lol
That's what Google is for
@@Supraboyes And she didn't provide such as she's very wrong
Here is a better video
ua-cam.com/video/G67i_Z8ukD4/v-deo.html
She reports for newsmax. She’s never seen a source in her life.
source: i made it the fuck up 😂
8:45 $5000 all in for charging? As a former Tesla employee that has worked directly with certified electricians and 100s of REAL owners, I can tell you that 99% of owners spend under $500 for installation. Cost of the charger varies, but is typically under $1000. Please stop spreading misinformation.
I know right?
My charger all in was $500
Redwood materials FAQ: "Redwood’s technology can recover, on average, more than 95% of materials like nickel, cobalt, copper, aluminum, lithium and graphite in a lithium-ion battery. These materials can then go directly back into the supply chain to make batteries for new electric vehicles and energy storage products."
Their business model only seems to work with receiving the batteries from a given product for free, which is fine if people will give up their old car batteries/cars and other battery powered products for free, but I'm not sure if that's how it will turn out at a wide scale. (it makes the depreciation of a battery powered vehicle more severe compared to that of a combustion car, not to mention the comparison of longevity)
Tesla currently recovers 92% of the batteries they receive for recovery back into raw materials for their supply chain.
@@warrensteel9954 says Tesla… lol
@Freedom is not negotiable no reason to doubt them as their process is similar to Li-Cycle, American Manganese, and Redwood Materials, as Redwood was founded by a former Tesla Engineer.
@Tim Batteries cost thousands of dollars to replace. In something like a Chevy Bolt, a cheap EV, it wouldn’t be worth it to replace the battery in 7 years when it goes. EVs will make cars more disposable than they already are. Unless they can find a way to make the batteries a lot cheaper.
I’m so confused. Is this a video about someone who doesn’t understand how to make batteries or someone who doesn’t know how to make cakes? I’m not even sure this person understands how recycling works… or cakes…
Your concerns are valid. She's pretty much saying 2+2=5, and thus, there are 5 lights.
This is misleading. Beyond the point of dishonesty. These mined materials are not destroyed in the process of making a battery. It gets recharged over and over and YES they can be reclaimed when the car is scrapped. Also - this is not the fuel. Extraction from the environment one time- unlike ICE vehicles which require PUMP & BURN, PUMP & BURN…..for every mile. but not the polycarbonate she mentioned that EVs use. We ABSOLUTELY need petrochemicals for plastics & all the reasons she mentioned- perhaps we shouldn’t be turning them into CO2? Let’s keep talking supply chain- you can transfer your power to your car from the source at near light speed. It doesnt require transportation of a specific engineered blend of hydrocarbons via trucking and leaky pipelines. All electricity is electricity doesn’t matter if it’s solar or coal combustion.
I’ve been running an electric car for 4 years. It’s a Tesla. I drove from Orlando to Cleveland to Chicago and back to Orlando. I drove straight through. The charging stations were easy to find they came up on the navigation system. And I didn’t have a wait to use one. As far as the 2500 dollar charging station at home. The car comes with a cable that can take several different outlet adapters. I installed a 14-50 nema outlet on 50 amp breaker total materials cost 130.00. The cable charges the car at 40 amps 240v. I can do 250 miles on 12 bucks of electricity at home. On a trip it cost 2.5 times as much. I still have gas cars but after 4 years the cost of operation of electric vehicle is the cheapest. Now if the battery goes I’m in a bad spot. But I’m also in a bad spot if my transmission fails or turbo charger fails, high pressure fuel system components. I’ll be in the same position. Fix it or dump it and get a new vehicle.
Unfortunately not everyone can afford to buy or even finance a Tesla. EVs are still out of reach for most.
Since 2019 i have ditched all fossil ressources everywhere. In my company, family, at home. I never had to service anything anymore, and i save a bunch of money every year compared to my neighbors who still use fossil. I pity everyone not wanting to change and look beyond their own horizon (about 1 inch beyond their nose…).
@@eaauto6182 Then you can only buy a Dacia or Tata. Everything else costs about the same. At least in Europe. Don‘t know about the prices in the US.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Dacia and Tata don’t exist here in the US. And even if they did, many like myself wouldn’t want to spend 20k on a slow boring car when we could buy a used AMG or M car
@@eaauto6182 If you got the money to flaunt it why not buy a Lambo or a Pagani?
Used AMGs that are still running cost around 50K here. They got a lifetime of around 100-150k Kilometers, then they need a compete rebuild of their exhaust system, intake and filters.
The same goes for Audi, BMW, VW.
Dacia and tata do not last longer but cost significantly less.
I stay with my EVs. No service, no repair costs, cheap (at least cheaper than fossil) energy.
I love my traditional petrol (gas) cars. Have three of them including a supercharged V8. This just sounded like a painful rant.
I’m no EV expert, may get one as a daily one day, but this was far from a balanced argument.
Yes and the rant is completely nonsense. But i love your and other useless comments.
If you think I’m too harsh lets make a experiment. I go into my Garage close the door and sit in my running Fiat 500E and listen to good music for half an hour. You go into your garage, close the door and sit in your running V8 fossil Monster. Lets see who survives the half hour.
Fossil = Bad. Everything else = Good.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 you want to give a big thank you to that fossil fuel 😂. No matter what you do, you need it 😜
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I've bought a silly electric car, yay I'm saving the planet 🤦. Not really
@@Supraboyes Ahh - Nope i don't. My utility company doesn't. Maybe the state does for running the lights to shine on their parliament?
And i will never thank anything that wants to hurt my children and grand children. Nope. Not happening.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 doesn't matter what we do we are killing this planet. How come nobody talks about plastic pollution. EV will not solve it. You need to burn fossil fuel to create 1, so not solving anything.
Neodymium in every battery. Yeah...
She is just categorically wrong about separating the materials from the batteries
The batteries are more of a sandwich than a cake I believe?
Is that all she is wrong about?
Yeah, sure, but at scale and safely in a western country, or do we ship more environmental issues back to Africa?
Ok so hows battery recycling going?
Lmfao, a “dream” and reality are two different things.
Rivian owner here, it cost me $300 from my local electrical company I admit it was an easy install for them. I bought the "charging station" from EBay for $400. Cost me 8 dollars to charge for 330 miles.
I'm not in the global warming cult. I just love the way EV's drive. Ask me in a year.
Meanwhile 12 volt lead acid batteries are one of the most recycled components in the United States!
At one time there were people who argued FOR lead in gasoline. Leaded gasoline was the standard in the United States for decades. As with tobacco, companies with a stake in continued lead use-including General Motors-funded studies to create the false impression that leaded gasoline was safe, according to a BBC News story. Competition with leaded fuel was also one of the reasons E10 (a mix of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline) failed to take off in the 1930s, only to come back decades later.
You’re missing the point when it comes to the lead additive. It was basically used to cut the product but not decrease shelf life or efficiency. Ethanol loses both but is obviously cleaner than lead.
@@lucky9er567 Well... that's not entirely true. The lead in the gasoline would absorb a lot of heat from combustion and allow engines to run much higher compression ratios without knocking (way before the technology had actually happened to allow for such a thing without lead). So I mean... it had a reason for being in there... its just the side effects were massively covered up.
@@MrRadicalMoves It's so disgusting what they did with that. Thomas Midgley Jr., the man responsible for leaded gasoline (and also freon based air-conditioning) is the single organism responsible for the highest number of human deaths in the 20th century.
leaded gas is still used in small aircraft , at a higher consentration
Neodymium is not in batteries, as far as I know. It is used in motors.
If this interview was a Wikipedia page, it would be tagged with a ton of 'Citation needed'...
nuclear power is CLEAN power and we should invest more into this for power grid! It is proven and the "waste" is TINY compared to anything else. The waste is small enough to be stacked and stored onsite and plants that have run for decades have just a small pile of "waste" storage set aside. Since the vault in Nevada never finished due to all the push back every 5 years or so, this is our solution to clean power grid. Mixed with wind and solar and battery of course. But if we invested in more renewable and nuclear, we would have a full clean grid and dump the old coal and gas bumper plants... With a smart grid and battery storage to hold energy in the eb and flows of the grid to keep it perfect 60Hz and exact power levels, we could revolutionize our power. Then we could support a proper charging infrastructure nationwide for ALL EV's, not just proprietary single company and everyone else is screwed.
Just like cell phones back in the day when each one had its own charger, thats where we are with EV charging... We need to have a nationwide/world wide std connector (which we do, but you know... Tesla), and not allow proprietary connectors on the market... As was done for cell phones a few years ago... minus, you know... apple of course... Tesla, the apple of the car industry... their slogans are "fck you, we will tell YOU what you want and like"
Cooled by ethylene glycol? Does she mean the same thing that is in antrifreeze...which is used in every ICE vehicle?
To any of the lurkers here, understand that social media public opinion "marketing" is a HUGE business and certain key words are triggers for these groups to swoop in. Keep that in mind when you see that this vid has already garnered more comments in 2 hours than a typical VINwiki vid gets in a week.
That is all I will say to the people who fancies themselves as an independent thinkers and are on the fence about what they are reading.
Please clarify.
Fair enough, as long you realize both sides are backed by huge businesses with deep pockets and vested interest in making sure their side succeeds. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking you're in a David vs Goliath battle and you managed to see through Goliath's lies and side with David. Nope, both sides are Goliath.
@@ltv..123 Much like EVs, there is a growth industry in marketing ether with bots or real people posting comments in order to drive opinion towards or away from... anything and legally they do not have to tell you that the "opinion" being posted is not organic. The technical term for this behavior is the brand name for fake grass (YT won't let me write it).
EVs, politicians, pharma, movies, TV-shows, and a certain experimental injection.... if there is enough financial (or political) incentive, then you can be sure you will see this type of behavior in social media threads.
I am trying to not pick sides here because my goal is simply for people to wake up and learn how to read between the lines... however to me right now it is laughably obvious that this inorganic behavior is happening in the comments of this video due to some of the patterns I see such as" "experts" coming out of nowhere, name calling, ad-hominem attacks, strawmaning, demanding every source be provided as if this persons is required to be an academic in order to have an opinion.
Some of it can also be from ideologues which otherwise IS organic however marketing companies typically employ people whom are ideologically motivated to carry out these types of campaigns.
I will just leave it at that.
Not always true. Sometimes certain topics that seem simple on the outset also attract large crowds because they think they can have an opinion.
You can put up a complex science video and 99% wouldn’t bother, but if you put up a video calling the earth flat or whatever, even the 5th graders will come out of the woodwork.
Its easy having an opinion about electric cars, so it attracts both sides of the argument, like moth to a flame.
@Ahmed we have to call out bullshit when we see it or people will be inclined to believe it as fact.
My dad bought a Tesla last year. He says,”I’m not going green, I’m going fast.”
As a autoworker. We are hiring like crazy. We are getting ready to hire 2k more people. Ford is building a new factory and they will be hiring a couple thousand people.
North Carolina actually has the largest lithium deposits near Gastonia NC;)
Yeah, but their government isn't so hot on EVs, they banned public charging stations. (Private ones are still allowed though)
@@LouisSubearth but no three phase charge only Tesla has that advantage.
@@LouisSubearth no ban just no free charging. I noticed a three phase power line next door on twenty acres that was once a chicken house shutdown by locals now just sitting
@Jack Cobb III by definition public charging stations are free.
@@LouisSubearthhey commie, nothing that requires human labor and resources is free. SOMEONE is paying for it. In this case, the taxpayers.
$2,500 for a charger? We got a level 2 Juice box 40A installed on a new 50A circuit for about a grand. Granted our house was built in 1984 so the electrical didn't require any updating, but still.
Yea she's pulling random numbers out her ass the whole video
@@cheesejadeitekiwifox wildly
In the last place I was renting I installed a 50a subpanel in the garage. It was about a 70-80’ run from the house to the shop of sch 80 and 6-3 wire. 40-50 foot was trench. That was about $400 in materials minus leftover wire. Subpanel and breakers was another $3-400. Add grounding and a few runs for another couple hundred. I would guess that an electrician would have charged $2-3000 for that job. It can add up quickly depending on the scope of work.
My shop now has 480v 200a service, and a separate subpanel from the house for a “100a” panel. The run for that subpanel is a few hundred feet and is undersized being 6 awg aluminum. To replace that run alone would be a few thousand in copper, so I am in the market for a second hand 480-240/120 30kva 1p transformer. Even second hand one of those transformers can run $1000 before freight.
It definitely depends on the specifics, but can run well into the thousands.
I installed a level 2 outlet like you would use for a clothes dryer for $500 all in.... Her estimate was crazy high.
@@TheFootbaldd yeah, but that's not a typical installation.
So she did a walkthrough on all of the materials that go into EVs, but why didn’t she do the same for ICE-powered cars? If we’re going to compare apples to apples, I feel like she should’ve went through the materials that go into an ICE power unit. Do you know all of the rare earth metals that go into a catalytic converter? Notice that all of the perceived negative aspects of an EV are not compared to ICE-powered cars. “The average price of an electric vehicle is $66,000.” The average cost of a new ICE-powered car is about $50,000. She also fails to mention that the EV market has a higher percentage of luxury-class vehicles, skewing the ‘average cost’ higher than the ICE market.
The anti-EV people alway include the mining aspect of batteries but never include the mining aspect of oil. The CCP is bad but so is the leadership of nearly every petro-state in the world.
Never been any wars over oil though right? Yemen, East Timor, Afghanistan, Iran. It was great for the Middle East, the Rockefeller’s. BP, exon, all great companies that haven’t the planet much right?
That being said, ev cars will not solve our environment issues. Not flying, better urbanization that creates a reliance on public transport, improved public transport is the answer.. and more renewable energy production and storage (not just batteries)
an ev is a 'economic' write off in as little as 4 years,
10 years is the upper limit,
my ice ute is pushing 20 years with lots of life left in it
@@viper4800X2 do me a favor,
don't light yourself on fire at Wimbledon ok?
@@alt7488 Do me a favor, don't light yourself on fire at Wimbledon, ok?
As a gearhead who has owned both ICE cars/bikes, and electric cars I see the pros and cons of each. I've roadtripped cross country multiple times and have put over 200k miles on both. While some of the points she makes are valid, there are many points where it seems like she is stretching the truth. Just as an example- the point with recycling the batteries is misleading as she makes it seem that the majority of the battery cannot be recycled. If you look at the data from Redwood materials (the company she cited) they are able to recycle more than 95% of the components within the battery today. Technology and the pace of innovation will be help advance this technology. Also wasn't helpful that she was purely leaning towards one side, and mentioned no benefits of EVs. Again I love my ICE cars and motorcycles, but I still think there is a place for EVs in the world where they can both coexist
Just because they say they can, doesn't mean they are. I think the cobalt and lithium mining are often overlooked as one of the worst parts of almost all of our industries.
@@TheZerr96 sometimes they can recover more and sometimes less, but as an average they still recover 95%+ currently
Her views are extremely skewed. I see why she mentioned auto manufacturers don’t want to let her review EVs.
Ya she’s a shill at this point. You’re better off looking for EV data from someone like Joe Scott or Matt Farrell not this looney toon
Correct. Her "facts" are missing some important points. Also, her general understanding of chemistry is seriously lacking. Haha
she reports for NewsMax that says it all
Better than fox or cnn
All batteries are recyclable, you do NOT need new materials. And all electric cars come with a charger, you don’t need to install anything in your home unless you really want a fast charger.
“e-Gas” as promising as it sounds will not be less than gas even if it is cheaper. Because those who make it can set whatever price they want and justify it by saying the price to make is higher because it is a new process.
One thing to add to her list about charging stations as this is a common concern, Tesla does not like to pay the people that host their charging stations.
I charge in my garage. Charging stations are a non-issue for all use cases beyond road trips.
@@originalbigmike how are they a non issue.
@@originalbigmike Congrats on your success. But that has nothing to do with charger hosts being stiffed.
Plug in at home, no reason to not charge where it's cheapest
@@Supraboyes Because people who drive EVs charge in their garage overnight. You literally just plug the car into your wall socket like a phone. There is no reason to visit a charge station unless you are driving over 200 miles in a single go.
If it's 'THE HARD TRUTH', I need some citations, or an actual expert.
Yeah it has been easily proved that "Cradle to grave" evs are better fir the environment. Yes it takes more energy to make them but as soon as you start putting miles on them, evs are much better
@@austinback5435 about 60% of the US power grid is off of fossil fuels though. If you live somewhere running renewable then that's great, otherwise not much changes
she is getting kickbacks from legacy automakers and gas companies for sure
My problem with the whole going all electric is the mining of these minerals. Every battery that is rechargeable has cobalt in it. 75 percent of cobalt is mined in the Congo. These mines the employ hundreds of thousands of people is just modern day slavery.
@@dillonshoemaker427 go and watch a documentary on fracking in the US - it’s strange how folks focus on mineral mining while completely ignoring the devastation brought about by the pursuit of oil
$2500 chatging Station?? Very misleading. Mine was only $1000 with installation
I hope her Cayenne Diesel doesn't develop an upper oil guide oil leak. It may seem like a less tenable forever car at that point.
lmaooooo too bad for her. It’s way better for the environment so we are all going to drive the current used car market forever because if you make a new thing, it’s bad for the environment.
While some of it is true, a lot of her data on EVs is 15 years out of date.
She had a newer EV
@@MinecraftPro97k Which apparently doesn't mean that she knows anything about the industry. That much is apparent.
She reports for Newsmax, what do you expect lol
@@julepsdad3605 I don't know, what should I except?
@@delfinn4326 When you study her bio, it betrays what you consider "apparent"!
Interesting because Johnny Lieberman at motor trend posted an article that says the opposite of what she does at the beginning regarding cradle to grave.
Buy an EV or an ICE vehicle because it’s what you want or what fits your needs. Either way we’re destroying the place.
Johnny Lieberman is a moron who believes bridges and overpasses are racist. 🤡
How can someone be so misinformed? Wow. It’s impressive.
Check her Bio and work history. It explains everything.
"Ignorance is Bliss"
And that is why I am so unhappy that Chevy stopped making the Volt. Gives you 50 miles of pure electric range to just drive around town (which I have never fully used up) but then also an ICE to take you an additional 200 miles and even if the battery is used up you can just keep filling the gas tank like a normal ICE and keep going. I fill the tank like twice a year when I go visit my parents several hours away. Otherwise I just use electric the rest of the time and charge at home with a simple level 1 charger overnight (aka standard 20 amp outlet in the garage using the charger you get with the car). Just wish I could get a new Volt and not have to buy used like I did. Best of both worlds. (yes this means more maintenance than a pure EV but I have ZERO range anxiety)
Im pro choice on Electric but personally i may go hybrid but never full EV.
@@maddhatter3564yea that new Toyota tundra with the twin turbo hybrid is sure tempting 😂
A lot of cherry picking. 4 Year owner of a BMW i3s and my first service control was after 50k miles. Battery is still at 97% It is the best car I've ever had.
This subject never fails to be divisive.
Especially when one side is constantly pulling out bullshit like this. There was a bunch of stuff in that video that is well over a decade out of date... :/
Its not divisive, when even the Pro-EV people don't own EV cars themselves.
New cars are expensive. Up until recently if you wanted a high quality electric with a lot of range and a good charging network, your choices were: Tesla or Tesla. But I promise you next time I buy a car to replace my 17 YO car, it will be an EV.
@@quasar3210 I'd love to post links to proof, but those comments get deleted.
That's because people like this hack are still spouting utter nonsense.
8:25 A level 2 EVSE is $200-$600 depending on which kind you get, and you can absolutely wire them in yourself. Black to Black, Red to Red, White to White, Copper to Ground, just turn the power off before you start messing around with power and you're fine.
As long as you pull a permit first you can't go wrong.
Simplify explanations much?
The mere fact that you only write: "Level 2 EVSE" tells us that you are not someone worth debating with.
Only simpletons and marketing people use such terms. Any electrician, anyone in the automotive world, anyone basically wanting to talk about things properly use the accurate phase and Wattage / Amperage figures (preferably Watts since that is the metric used when dealing with EVs). And there are other important factors concerning the chargers themselves like connection type, with/without integrated cable, and do they have smart features or not.
Then as for the installation: that really tells us if someone is only spewing bs based on having read EV blogs during class at middle school or if they're experienced in the real world. There are very many considerations from the need for load balancing, to how much Amperage you even have to play with, how many phases you have, are your cables in shape, can you route cables to your charger location, etc. etc. Then you need to install surge protectors, check that grounding is ok, etc. etc.
If you need an electrician to come over to check your system to see what you can even do, what your starting point is, it can cost you $300 for that alone before any charger has been ordered or any installation work is done! If you don't have a simple situation you might have to pay anything between $200-$1500 just to prepare your home's systems for installing a charger! Then the electrician comes over to install the charger and do the operational checks, charging for the mileage and his hourly rate... And on top of that you need to buy the charger. Then you hope you don't have any technical issues with the charger, as that is surprisingly common, as these may be simple devices but they're operating under harsh conditions especially when installed outside. Most chips used weren't even designed to be the most long-living stuff, serving such a function out in the cold.
And yes, in most places in the world you absolutely need to hire an electrician, and he WILL make sure you have all necessary surge protectors (not included in the cheapest chargers, you'll have to buy them separately and probably will need a new separate box to install them in...that's a few hundred $ more...) and they WILL have to ensure your home's systems will even allow for an install. In some countries you need to inform or even get permission from your power company.
And I can tell you that in so many cases it's a very complex process, especially since so often you will not have the full schematics for the electrician and he'll have to spend time figuring out the system, and then you'll have huge issues determining what real loads you're using in order to figure out how mich you can draw for the charger.
My charger (which cost me over €1200 to install despite me being super frugal: designing the system myself, sent over photos for an electrical engineer to pre-approve, then I pre-installed the charger itself, and only having the electrician come to the house once to connect the wires) already malfunctioned once and blew my car's charging system needing the whole expensive module to be replaced! It would've cost so many thousands if I didn't have the very good warranty in place (and not telling them that my charger did the damage).
@Pistonburner I'm going to guess from that comment that you're not in North America.
@@warrensteel9954 I'm everywhere. And China is pushing EV-totalitarianism everywhere.
6% of 16 million cars is almost 1 million EVs sold per year. In what world is that not a lot?
6% of anything is not a lot
It's frustrating to me that the good points are mixed in with outdated ones and ones that will likely be resolved in the next few years. Last I saw redwood and their competitors were somewhere around 80% material recovery from their recycling and I have to imagine that will improve as years go on. Same thing with the charging station issue she had, it was a real issue, but that comes with being an early adopter. I can't see that persisting once EVs are mainstream. Also the claim that manufacturers aren't making money on EVs may be true for the legacy manufacturers, but Tesla's profit margins are pretty solid.
I'm a petrol head just like all of you, and I will probably never buy an electric car for as long as I am not forced to, but I can still be factual. For someone who claims can be fact checked on everything said, the amount of actual wrong facts is kind of scary.
- Mining is a problem. It has always been a problem for every single mineral we have ever needed. It destroys ecosystems all around the world (not just were we get rare earth metals for electric cars). Electric car batteries have radically different chemistries between brands and models and we are working frustratingly hard to get rid of as much rare earth metal from batteries as possible, with actual real world success as batteries barely need cobalt in newer production models as just an example. Saying 'batteries = bad' is like saying leaded gas is bad, well it is and that's why we stopped consuming it (and found alternatives to it).
- There are actual lithium ion battery recycling centers operating RIGHT NOW (and the owners are not billionaires because that's not how the world works and there are very difficult challenges to solve in that industry still, but they actually exist and are operating at industrial scale).
- Fossil fuels are bad for our health (not our development), that's why burning them in cars right next to where you breathe kills you (in most cases slowly and painfully). By producing power and materials with them in localized industries outside of cities we are drastically improving peoples lives while still polluting the environment. The stupid part is that we are selling these cars as good for the earth, while they are actually good for us (again, being better for the environment is a case by case matter that is brutally hard to figure out, not only does it depend on you as a driver but also on the exact car you are buying).
- The idea of an EV is not to disappear with fossil fuels or outright stop polluting, the problem is that some people think that that is the case and some brands actually sell that as if it's true.
I'm 100% in agreement with the consumer choice part (as I've said i won't buy an EV for as long as the government allows me to), but if we want to start a discussion about what's good for the whole world understanding only 1% of what's actually going on around us we will get nowhere.
Well said. I disagree with your conclusion (we own 2 EVs) but I'm under no illusion about my impact on the environment. It's still large, just far lower than if I was still driving a diesel (I live in France- 100g CO2/kWh maximum). I'm betting that our cars will last for a long time. Time will tell...
Oh, it doesn't hurt that my car is by far the quickest I've ever had 🙄😜
converting existing cars to run on Hydrogen is the real way but the WO wants to do the battery tech first to fuel its way but hydrogen is already picking up steam on replacing EV if you see the industry channels and what the big companies are developing
@@richhr89 good luck going long distance in one
@ron baer ignoring the issues of Hydrogen production, 97% comes from methane steam reformation which emits CO2, Hydrogen fuel cell cars still have high voltage batteries used to accelerate the vehicle. The job of the fuel cell is to maintain the battery state of charge.
I'm seconding a lot of the things you say. I'll add my own points here:
- Battery recycling. It's going to take a while for that industry to develop. You need more batteries ending their life span in order to recyle them in order to support an industry. You also need the prices of those minerals to go up to make it worth while. As she says in the video there isn't many lithium ion batteries out there in comparsion to let's say a lead acid battery which every car has, and the industry has been around forever. She's also right and wrong about seperating materials. Currently we recover close to 100% of the lead in a lead acid battery. That is easy to seperate though. Lithium Ion batteries will be more difficult. But we can probably recover a good percentage of these materials. Especially once the industry matures and right now it's in infancy.
- Hazardus material. This is crazy. DON'T EAT THE BATTERIES! Do we need to tell morons to not drink their gasoline also!? Gasoiline is a poison. *gasp*
- Fossil fuels are everywhere. She's not wrong. If you have a plastic it's likely made from fossil fuels. The big difference being that you don't burn every piece of plastic on an electric car to make it go. But this isn't an argument against EVs. It's an argument against plastic. There is some good work in this industry like PDK plastics which are infintely recyclable.
- What she fails to mention is that if you look at life cycle emission between electric and gasoline cars, electric cars have more emissions in manufacturing (due to a giant battery). But the emissions are lower over all. Much lower. It's also highly dependent on your energy source. If you're in Ontario Canada or Quebec you'll have even less emissions from your electric car as we have insanely clean grids compared to places like California. If I'm remembering correctly even if a car is powered by coal, the dirtyest electricity you can get, it's still lower emissions than an ICE. Because those coal plants run at like 50%+ efficency. The only ICE engine I know of that runs at 50% efficency is the current F1 engines.
- Carbon neutral fuel is fantastic. Expensive, but fantastic. In Canada we have Carbon Engineering that makes fuel directly from the air. It's totally carbon neutral. We have to invest money in this stuff as it's likely the only way to make long haul flights carbon neutral. You can if you want put it into your car.
There are quite a few problems with this take- my Lightning was very pleasant, 48a Charger installed $2500. I had the short range and it got me to and from work with range to spare driving kids around. My energy cost was about a third of fuel and no more oil changes every 5000 miles. Only sold it due to health issues.
"Only sold it due to health issues."
Yeah right lol.
according to this video you drive a Lada now, right?
@@HAHA.GoodMeme Sadly yes. Shortly after I took delivery, cancer came back for a third time and my treatment options are becoming increasingly limited. The sale of the truck afforded me a cash car so I can afford copays for expensive treatment- not that I owed you an explanation. But honestly, if not for cancer I would absolutely still have the truck.
@@HAHA.GoodMeme probably didn't hurt that it sold for a big profit 😉
@@bradleyhanlon I hope it wasn't from the EMFs you were sitting on/in while using the electric truck. I haven't done any research related to sickness caused by electric cars but it's been proven in other situations, like living near power line towers. The govt has established guides that show which illness/reaction your body will have depending on how close you live to the towers. Some people are sensitive to dirty electricity in their home.
She is the living definition of the Dunning Kruger effect. Can't believe how much confidence she has saying all this crap. But yeah, as she says, fact check everything she said. Probably the most sensible comment she made in the whole 15min of her monologue.
A couple things to point you in the right direction: there's no neodymium in batteries. And car batteries don't die suddenly, after degradation is deemed excessive, they can be deployed in battery storage projects for decennia. VDL in the Netherlands is doing this with their bus batteries.
Yeah, her car lobby is strong...
It's like this video was shot in one take without any research or proofing. Does Vinwiki have an editor? How can they air this and keep any credibility?
@@warrensteel9954 Well Ed is a devout Christian. Anyone who can be convinced that the earth started 6,000 years ago doesn't care too much about facts.
I'm not knocking religion by the way. If having faith makes you happy then keep at it!
This is not dunning kruger. This is political agenda and missinformation. Im usually very careful with such statments, but how she linked current renewables in the US 16% to the worldwide potential of renwbales are only 16%…
@@laser_simon922 Dunning Kruger, political agenda and misinformation are not mutually exclusive concepts.
VinWiki really testing my trust with you on this one. Sources please
I feel like she belongs on right wing news 🤣
Agreed, no scientific references or sources provided. Really poor. 🤨
Yeah the fact she said that these batteries contain cadmium and neodymium shows she doesn't know what she's talking about. Also we have been recycling batteries, including lithium-ion batteries, in Canada for over 30 years using pyrometallurgical processing and in the last few years are perfecting hydrometallurgical processes with up to 95% recovery, and we have branched out to two facilities in the US. We can "take the eggs out of the cake" as she says. Also every EV comes with a level 1 charger you can plug into a standard 15A outlet.
@@prod.-https-sting556 That is an odd feeling to have. can you describe it to us? Is it like love or more like hate?
Ik I am surprised that Vinwiki let her speak, she said so many things that were false
I’ve been saying it since early on. They’re very cool but don’t push it on everyone to buy one. If you feel you need / want one, go for it!
I agree, but can’t help feeling that if you have a house, and can afford a new Tesla, you’re poking yourself in the eye by not getting one. Smooth, quiet, very quick, safe, cheap to run. It’s like driving a Rolls Royce and sports car in one. And Tesla do have lots of chargers, so road trips are easy.
Unless a few panel gaps really bother you, of course. And check you have a service centre near enough.
@@mrmichrom8553 except its not like driving a sportscar. It's like driving a muscle car with spray. Goes very fast, doesn't turn well and has no involvement
The problem with petroleum is not using it for durable goods, but in burning it in massive American vehicles and creating emissions.
The fact that EV proponents hang their hats on the 'Environment' argument for EVs makes it hypocritical...
My 2018 model 3 was $40k after incentives. Home charger was installed for $500 by a licensed electrician and monthly electric bill increased by $70. Total maintenance at 80k miles is $350 for lower control arm replacement. My BMW will easily cost me 5x more over the course of its life. Love both cars but the EV is way more cost effective in every way.
well except for the 20k battery that can be easily destroyed in a very minor crash or just a small rock or stick on the ground
@@billboein insurance?
More or less. But thats also because you have a BMW.
You really have to watch Engineering explained channel on this topic. She’s flat wrong about a lot, and says so with complete confidence. Much more complex topic than represented. Having said that, I think gas/electric hybrids make the most sense right now because you get high fuel efficiency and you don’t rely on the charging infrastructure. that’s not ready for prime time. The Chevy Volt (not Bolt) is a great example. That car just works and makes sense for the daily driver. Too bad Chevy gave up on that car.
I think many people need to own an EV to see how easy it is. If you are the normal driver, not the „I drive 300 miles one way to work“-guy. You prolly need the infrastrucutre once a year, as you most likely charge at home ar night or at work, if you have a good company. The reality of an EV is that you can start every single day with a full charge…
Probably because it was a piece of junk that nobody wants
@@laser_simon922 I'll get right on that when I can buy one for as much as I bought my wife's Accord
No, it makes zero sense right now for the vast majority. EVs are in a niche stage, why Tesla was right. Forcing people into using BEVs now is a political agenda for politicians and their friends to get rich. There is no infrastructure support here now, the batteries are inefficient as are the motors. The charge times do not work for most people. What about people that rent? What about the $5000-20000 or more bill to replace the batteries in 7+ years? There are numerous issues right now with EVs. Hydrogen may make more sense than BEVs.
@@jrzez Batteries are not inefficient and electric motors are the most efficient drive system you can have. from charging to driving you get about 70% efficiency. This is modtly due to electrical reststance. A permanent magnet motor has upwards of 95% efficiency. Hyrogen is inefficient, a fuel cells has about 50% efficiency, and you might not know, these cars also have a battery and electric motor…And producing hydrogen is either based on fossile fuels -yikes- or done by electrolysis which is veery inefficient…
Every time she said "that's a problem" all I could hear was the woman in the SNL sketch.
I am poor, I can only afford to drive my Tesla. I had my Tesla for more than a year, the biggest cost for me so far are the tires, and I only pay $20/month to charge at my apartment and no need to do any maintenance other than tire rotations. Also for same amount of money, a model 3 handles much better than a BMW 3series in cities. I don’t care about the environment effects.
Same, 20$ in my apartment. 80$ in 2 years for tire rotations lol.
She's got a lot wrong, she easily forgets that combustion cars also have tons of fancy metals, or that batteries last for decades (they will still be used after they're out of cars)
Plenty of analysis have been done on the total impact of EVs and they're always better long term than combustion engines. that term depends on the car, on the electricity mix etc. but even in California a Tesla is more "green" after 50K than a comparable ICE vehicle. She''s right to be sceptical but saying EVs are worse is just plain wrong.
I wouldn't mind getting an EV, but I would never sell my car as it's just too much fun. Once EVs have a better infrastructure for charging stations, I might consider on getting one alongside my car.
They are definitely not better long term.... she is correct when she says they are worse.
You're making things up. "Plenty of analysis"? What analysis?
I've read all the published papers (at least up until about 6 months ago), and I'd like to challenge you to tell me where you pulled that lie of a statement?
NONE of the studies I've read state what you claim, and I'd like to add that all except one I've analyzed has been massively fraudulent and paid for by a political party, lobbying group and/or corporations benefitting from EVs.
Even those fraudulent studies clearly prove that EVs do not result in less emissions, even their totally skewed data does not make EVs emit significantly less CO2. And they all prove, despite their totally partisan slant, that a huge amount of ICE cars are cleaner than EVs: all ICE cars that are relatively low in emissions and are driven less than about 5000 miles per year are for sure cleaner.
And they're not even taking into account:
-The TRILLIONS in costs for reworking all factories, lost revenue, higher prices for customers, subsidies out of tax dollars
-The TRILLIONS on costs (and direct CO2 emissions) from manufacturing, installing, maintaining and periodically replacing MILLIONS of EV chargers
-The TRILLIONS in costs for rebuilding the electric grid, building new power plants, load balancing, etc.
so 500000 miles before they even start to become environmetally better. That's probably about the same time as they get a new car. So their ownership saves nothing. and it still assumes that they are using green energy to charge the thing
1 - Yes, ev's start with an environmental impact deficit vs ice cars from the point of sitting on a dealership lot, and yes, there are a lot of concerns that need to be addressed regarding the sourcing of those materials, but they are being worked on.
2 - Comparing government saying "here's some financial incentive to find better ways to do things" and comparing it to 80's era Soviet, nationalized and corrupt manufacturing? Really? Explaining it like the government is going to step in and take away your gas guzzler forever? Farms and long haul trucking are going to be ice for the foreseeable future. Straight up fear mongering.
3 - only 16% of the worlds energy could possibly be renewable? Last year, globally, about 10% of electricity was renewable, so we won't even be able to double production? Someone needs to talk to all the dollar panel companies, or the people working on solarizing North Africa to power Europe, let them know it can't happen.
Did she have some good points? Yes. Did she have a lot of misinformation and hyperbole? God gods. Wondering if I walked into a Prego U video...
Absolutely incomprehensible. I hate electric cars, but she is just listing random numbers as to why the switch to EVs will be difficult, or false claims about electric cars being worse for the environment. Stick to car stories, guys.
Tesla is making a ton of profit on every car they make they also qualify for the tax credit. And they still have 65% of the EV market share. I also question this woman's homework.
So how are you going dispose of the hazardous toxic material when the battery is not able to function correctly no more?
@@abrammedrano4392 lots of battery recycling startups working on a solution for this...
@@CarsMeetsBikes hope they hurry the hell up.
Ya tesla also isn't really a car company. Their cars are shit quality. The support is ass. Unless you live in a major city you ain't gonna live anywhere near a dealer.
@Cars Meets Bikes We have been recycling lithium-ion batteries in Canada for over 30 years. Here in BC we recycled batteries from the Gulf War, old batteries from US missile launch systems, old batteries from as far away as Indonesian oil platforms. In the last few years another company Li-Cycle in Ontario has perfected a hydrometallurgical process which achieved 95% recovery for new battery feedstock. This process has already expanded into two US locations with prospective expansion into the UK soon.
Lithium mines are opening in Southern California at the Salton Sea. That's all that is in it Lithium.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Also very large Lithium deposits/mining in South America she conveniently forgot to mention
Besides the fact that cobalt is already phased out in newer batteries, making this even more important
@@guusguusguus Cobalt cannot really be phased out from NMC chemistry cells. However there is a whole lot of LFP used on EVs today that don't need no cobalt.
A quick search shows that that's another thing she just gets all wrong. From what I could find, the biggest Lithium producers are Australia (over 50%) and Chile (over 20%). Sure China is in third, with a whopping 9,7%. Chile seems to have the largest known reserves, followed by Australia and Argentina, with China in fourth and the US in fifth. There's even an operating lithium mine in the US, even though she claims there aren't any. So yeah... Guess she really does belong on Newsmax.
If you are looking to buy an EV (I have one) forget it unless you can charge at home - Its much, much, MUCH more expensive to charge using the on road chargers than Diesel. I saw someone filling up at Mcdonalds car park - 72p per kWH -= He had put in 13.5kw (which if you drive carefully with no heating on will give you around 48 miles) and his bill was already £9.71. With heating, lights on and wipers going as it has been lately that same amount will give you (in my little VW iD3 nothing massive) around 33 Miles - FOR £9.71!! Come on there has to be something done about this if people are to be converted to EV's - How are people in flats etc with no chargers going to afford this. Of all the stuff I've seen on the web, this has to be the greatest crime of all
does your ID3 have the little range gas motor in it? my friends does and (here comes imperial) gets 111-113mpg with it average, and usually drives with his girlfriend. the all electric one yeah... stuck to charger. here in New England we are .27c / kWh!
Thank you for explaining the poisonous nature of the birthday cake batteries.
I will avoid eating them from now on.
I'd avoid the cobalt ones but LFP ones are quite safe to eat!
Neodymium is not used in batteries, it's used in the electric motors. She doesn't know what she's talking about.
If you're going to get a mouthpiece against electric cars, get one that actually knows something.
Not even all motors use it either.
Newer batteries are already phasing out cobalt; the %s are going down quickly and there are already batteries in development without any of it
what about the 5 other rare earth metals lol
She does realize that you can separate those metals right? Eggs and metal are not the same thing.
Not everyone believes in science.
@@warrensteel9954 now people come around with this Bs again… what a fallen World!
Remember follow the science when somebody says that I know what’s cooking, brainwashed propaganda victims
@Freedom is not negotiable it's a similar process as to how you would extract gold from old computer parts. It's called chemistry, and yes, it's science.
I got nothing against EV's, and for my personal use (work and commutes) i would be more then fine with one with these current ranges.
I could also cough up the price for a charging at home station.
The problem however is the huge price of the cars themself atm (also with ICE cars) for a simple working man that's like no way in hell i'm paying 50- 70k or more for something decent in EV terms and then in Europe there is a energy crisis going on atm, charging up on public fast charger is more expensive or almost more expensive then filling up your ICE car (wich is also very expensive atm).
Also the end of life factor, let's say i buy a brand new EV something cheaper for 40-45k and i'm willing to keep and use it till it's end of it's life.
Let's say that is 10 years for me, the battery will probally be dead by then (8 year warranty or less in most cases).
So if i'm lucky enough that battery doesn't die within 10 years, but then what.
What if i want to sell my car off for another one, it's basicly a throw away car at that point cause who want's to buy my 10 year old EV where the battery is a ticking time bomb.
Old ICE cars get exported or someone else buys it as their first car so you still have some value on that 10+ year old car but with EV's nah.
There is so much holding normal folks back, but the horrible thing is that these incompetent governments all over the world are pushing this green agenda while 90% of them don't even know how these EV's Batteries are made, they are willing to close an eye again on all these African mines where kids are digging up this stuff once again.
Why would you assume the battery would die at the 10th year?
Also, I'm assuming the African mines you're referring to is for cobalt. EV batteries are already moving away from cobalt. Nobody talks about how much cobalt from these mines is used to clean crude oil to make gasoline, huh? If you don't want something tainted from African child labour, ICE vehicles are the worst. Also theres a Chevy bolt model for 18k coming out. And you can replace batteries in the car, which don't die in like 10 years. Also theres less wear and tear on EVs compared to ICE simply because of the mechanism and they retain their value better. Also, who's going to buy your old ICE for a decent amount when they can already buy EVs that are much cheaper and newer by that time?
The home charging station comes with the car. You just plug it into any wall outlet. And EVs can be had new in the $30k range.
@@originalbigmike Yeah with a 12 to 18 hour recharge time so basically it's a last ditch means of charging as otherwise it's not viable for normal.
@@Hybris51129 You appear to assume an extreme use case that is the equivalent of having to completely refill your ICE car's gas tank from empty to full every day. The average commute in the USA is less than 30 miles. Charging that daily use case at 4 mph on a 110 Volt plug 7.5 hours. But use a 240 Volt 40 amp circuit charging is more like 30 mph or 1 hour to replace the daily use case. Use a 250kW DC Fast Charger and you're looking at more like 2 minutes.
The question of what choice is 'cleaner' is a complicated one, and this is not the forum nor the person to address this question. Many serious studies have been done on this topic and viewers who want a well researched and nuanced answer should look to them. The kind of studies that cite actual sources and figures. Many of her arguments also have nothing to do with environmental issues. She does not honestly consider the whole picture (ICE cars also have manufacturing environmental damage; the offsetting lesser pollution in driving an electric car counts for something). She makes several wrong statements (in-home chargers cost $2500; you can't recycle batteries) This video is a disservice to viewers. She complains about public policy and about solar/wind and about corporate policies, all of which have nothing to do with the cars or their environmental impact or desirability.
The Truth about electric cars in a nutshell is that they, on balance, ARE cleaner. An electric Hummer is not good for the environment compared to an ICE Corolla probably. They are a terrific solution to some problems and create some new problems. They are a very good choice for many people. Ed, stop running this nonsense drivel that's half true.
She’s completely wrong about the EPA not letting Lithium mining happen in the US. Not only is mining already happening in Nevada, it’s also happening in California. If California will allow it, the EPA will have no problem
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Me: charging my Tesla on the same wall plug as my fridge. Wut?!
I know it’s not fast charging but it’s enough for everyday use.
I agree with her that for some people it doesn’t makes sense to go electric, and we should definitely let people have a choice.
Oh no, I ONLY have 8 hours to top up my car from today's 30 min of driving.
How long does it take you to charge on that plug? I already know the answer.
@@marcuscook5145 8 hours. That's the answer.
this is wild, anyone who knows how batteires are made understand how wildy inaccurate her birthday cake anology is. The short and easy truth is EVs are worse at first production but become better than an ICE car when accouting fpr the full lifespan of the car. This person unfortunately understands very little of what shes talking about. Also, the EPA is totally allowing lithium mining in Nevada, she just makes a bunch of stuff up
And there's Cobalt mining in Idaho
It's incredibly inaccurate. Look up Redwood Materials for example, they are already recycling batteries. PS: not a Tesla owner, actually own a flat 6 , a V8 and a V12
@TheEliteAnthem Yup,the birthday cake analogy was stupid. They just treat the batteries as high quality ore An extract good stuff
Bingo.
I rarely down vote a video. Fell compelled to do for this one. So much fud, half truths and full on lies
Home chargers are a lot closer to $500-1500. Which eventually pays for itself when you compare to how much gas you're not buying at the pump. (Yes you still pay for the power but it's going to be around 1/3 the cost of gas depending on where you live)
And if you have an electric clothes dryer in your garage you could use a DryerBuddy to time share the outlet with your EV charger.
It is cheaper for now, wait until more EVs are sold and the power grid needs to be rebuilt. Electricity will be the equivalent to $5-$6 a gallon.
@@realthrills5448yep, no one understands the more we strain the grid the pricier it becomes 😊
@@realthrills5448 yeah, just like happened with gasoline. Oh, wait, no?
@@realthrills5448 Why would the power grid need to be "rebuilt"? Most charging is done overnight, when power usage is least (not good synergy with solar admittedly, but good with, say, natural gas).
What it boils down to is wether it's an EV or an ICE we are way to reliant on China. It needs to end period.
Even the first two minutes is riddled with out of date data and outright falsities. She’s saying things like you need to do your homework and not believe whatever headline… Needs to take a look in the mirror.
Only 6.4% of people drive cars. The rest still have horses!
-- VinWiki - 1902
2:30 Get your facts together. Neodymium is not in batteries, it is in permment magnet electric motors. Not even all EV‘s use those. I am sorry but if you wanna pretend you know everything, I don‘t want bs after 2 mins in the video…
Yeah she def gets some stuff wrong lol but that doesn't completely discredit her point. Even with the gaps in her knowledge filled there is still a holistic environmental look at things that many aren't considering. Not just with EVs, but any of the so-called 'green' options. EVs are just one of the most prominent cases.
@@Stephenraman The amount of „filling in“ she does discredits everything she said. If you tell me that wind and solar only have the potential to cover 16% of the earths energy needs…I know that this person does not know the difference between current US-production and global potential. And this means they don‘t know how to interprete stuff they „researched“.
She didn’t even pronounce it correctly 😂
@@sk8rboy509 It‘s the magnetic part […of the battery]. Thats how much she knows about batteries and electric motors
@@Stephenraman Yeah cause China is the worlds largest producer og lithium righ? Wroooong that's Australia... she has no clue what she is talking ablout
When was this filmed? There are so many wrong facts that it just seems like a hit piece...
"As of today Tesla chargers only work for Tesla" - this has been available for months now in many countries, remember that the world does actually not revolve around the US
Lots of challenges with EVs, but cradle to grave they are not worse for the environment than ice even if power is from coal. So much wrong here, in a rational world most of us should drive hybrids anyways
i hope this makes people do their own research and learn the truth. spoiler alert, most of this is wrong. go check out engineering explained if you want an actual look at the math.
Yeah, well many don't need more than this kind of vid to be even more convinced. And most of the self research they'll do is to find the same kind of vid again...
The truth is they are no better
@@Supraboyes Maybe. Yet doesn't justify the wastly exagerated nonsense she brings up here.
My neighbour bought a Tesla. He knew the disadvantages for it but the advantages were better for him. He said in his SUV he was filling up his tank every 2 days for $150. He spent $40 to charge 1,000Km worth (maybe 1/2 - 1 week worth). But he knows that eventually it’ll burn out. But he has money lol
Yeah, but now imagine everyone is forced onto the EV platform, what do you think that's going to do to electricity prices? The biggest selling point of these EVs is the cheap loading and the cheaper tax rates, but all those things will be ripped out from under people once they have no way back.
Why not just buy a damn prius at that point...
@@someguy4576 you act like some people don't have solar.
@@someguy4576 ... exactly , EVs are like the fishing , but we (the people) are the fish and when we bite the hook , there's no going back , and when the hook becomes the only option , what you gonna do ... yeas , EVs have benefits from stuff , but as you said it - "all those things will be ripped out from under people once they have no way back." and thats the thing i dont like
@@someguy4576 That isn't how supply and demand work. Electricity is a commodity and more demand increases economies of scale, not the other way around.
This article is full of misinformation. One glaring example is that she is talking about old chemistries for making batteries. New lithium iron phosphate batteries are generally considered to contain no heavy metals and rare metals, non-toxic (in line with SGS certification), non-polluting, in line with European RoHS, for absolute green environmentally friendly batteries. This Battery Technology will be standard in all EVS in the next couple of years as it is far superior and also less expensive.
Right and wrong about synthetic fuel. It’s has a lower co2 footprint but isn’t co2 free as it’s currently needs large amounts of electricity (so depends on how that’s generated). And obviously it put back into the atmosphere what was originally removed. So no terrible, just not great either.
There are lithium battery recycling techniques that can unengineer your cake... We're opening a lithium battery recycling facility in North Cobalt Ontario, Canada. (Will be the only one in North America) and it will also be capable of milling and concentrating and refining cobalt sulfate from ore.
Good luck in chemotherapy!…..
@@ltv..123 I'm pretty sure this place is the least of my worries living in Cobalt.. 🤣
This guest choice is disappointing VINwiki. I’m glad to see people presenting logical, evidence-based arguments in the comments to counter some of these claims. I’ll drive an ICE vehicle as long as I can, but supporting the spread of heavily biased opinions isn’t beneficial to anyone.
Biased? It's called truth.
Heavily biased opinions are still opinions. Counter positions make those on opposing viewpoints think about their position- the whole point of debate and open dialogue. No need to agree, but DEFINITELY do not silence.
Nicely done @VinWiki
Shes just another rich, out of touch boomer who doesn't understand what she is actually talking about.
She is speaking from a scientific and environmental point of view which is logic and practical for now and the future. What’s claims do you think a false?
It only cost 350$ for me to install a home charger. I just added a 50 amp RV outlet.
well the lifetime emissions of an EV are actually 1/3 of those of an ICE-car, and decreasing with every GW of renewables we install, the batteries will work for the full lifetime of the car and beyond + the lithium can actually be fully reused afterwards.
that's the reality.
I put enough solar on my roof that the vast majority of my EV driving will be from solar.
It is entirely dependant on the miles driven. You need to drive with the same battery about 100 k miles to break even on carbon emissions. After that, the miles on the EV are "greener".
Can you link the source for the 1/3 number?
@@k0zzu21 What data are you basing that on?
@@Meatwad650 that is an exaggeration, (or he lives in Norway).
Geely/Volvo gave the most credible production footprints of comparable cars, and from those numbers you can calculate for yourself for where you are (or anywhere else). I did:
In the USA, the ICE vehicle is responsible for 73% more CO2 than the EV over 250,000miles life (including production footprint)
Looking forward to see how these words age over time…
They're already dead wrong out of the gate
@@Swannilization what is wrong?
@@Swannilization please tell what is wrong?
@@sayaddesign
She's incorrect about EVs polluting more than ICE vehicles from cradle-to-grave (they don't, the increased pollution from the battery is typically offset around 30K-80K miles depending on the car and energy-grid-cleanliness) for starters.
@@philedwards5747
Installing a battery charger doesn't cost $5,000 either, this video is just full of incorrect misinformation. Chargers cost like $1200-$2500 usually *including* installation costs.
Yeah, we get that everything is made with petroleum. It is a limited resource that is why we need to slow down the amount we are burning in cars so that we still have some to make things.
Is the electric grid able to handle everyone driving electric cars? Of course not. Does the charging infrastructure need to be improved, yes. We have to make these changes now.
Battery technology will continue to improve including the materials which they are made.
Putting out mandates that all new cars must be electric by a certain date just helps insure that these changes are made. If we get to that date and we are still not ready, or a better technology is available, those mandates will be changed.
Total cost economics is something we have struggled with for decades. All we see is a price tag and what it is worth to us
Great breakdown on the ugly truth about BEV garbage. She did miss the most important point that kills the pro BEV arguments both ecologically and economically. They are designed as disposable vehicles. They are not meant to last more than five years, and once ONE cell goes bad in the battery, you have to throw away the whole vehicle. All of the manufacturers are going to sealed batteries to stop people from being able to re-build the batteries, so that they have to buy a new vehicle. No one wants to talk about it, but the batteries NEVER last the 10-15 years people always claimed. You have to know a LOT about lithium batteries to be able to make a battery actually last for 10-15 years...and NEVER plug it into one of those 440/480VAC Superchargers.
I thought there were battery recycling businesses already, taking bad Tesla/ev batteries and refurbishing or properly deconstruct them for reusing the lithium
There is. She is full of shit and I don’t why she was allowed on this channel.
There is, but she chooses to ignore that
She addressed it when stating that batteries can be recycled through energy storage but once the battery cannot hold a charge....
Her point is no matter the amount of recycling that happens, EVs depend on someone figuring out how to seperate the unethically-mined rare earth minerals to be recycled...something that hasn't happened yet. Cradle to grave processes are important here.
Do your own research about any recycling ♻️... it's a scam
She talks about that.
Just wanna say. There are adapters to use with tesla official chargers! Use them everyday but they do suck and dont charge as fast. They work with version 1 and 2 tesla chargers. But they will take twice the time
KISS. Lock yourself in your garage with your EV running or your ICE running?
This is why I will only buy the Tesla with the lfp battery. The lithium iron phosphate battery lasts 800,000 miles while they're older NCA and nmc chemistry is lucky to last 400,000.
Engineering explains did the mathematical breakdown of how much worse it is to make an ev, and the answer is, quite a lot. However as long as your car's last an average of 40,000 miles before getting destroyed or more, it already makes up for it with the savings assuming that it's powered 100% by coal and even faster assuming that it's powered by a hybrid or renewable
I'm interested in your source for your LFP longevity hopes- Tesla's battery warranty is fewer miles for those than for NMC long range cars...
@@richhr89 Frankly, the LFP batteries are the best ones. Nearly fireproof, robust, etc.
For somebody who states they are pro truth she sure uses a lot of misinformation.
Like what?
@@marcuscook5145 Nancy reply
You could have given at least one example of that, considering you said, and quoting:
"she sure uses a lot of misinformation."
And before you nit pick at certain discrepancies just remember she's not giving this interview by Googling everything she said. The message is there and is solid, she didn't even touch on the most problematic aspect of EVs, which is fires. I live in the UK and 90%+ of the housing here is almost entirely made out of wood, not a lot of space to park safely away from properties, and for the consumption aspect of it, we can't even rely on renewable sources of electricity.
@@notloki3140 Hybrids reflected the most at 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles.
ICE vehicles caught fire at 1,530 incidents per 100,000 vehicles.
EV fires were 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles.
11:47 Tesla is not making money? Rivian is not making money? This woman is crazy.
I work in emergency services in the second latgest city in a very densely populated county of Ohio. Last spring we had a city-wide 17 hour blackout, primarily overnight. Electric vehicle owners were losing their minds. Needless to say the Uber drivers flooded the area for the morning commutes.
Now they are installing a redundant main supply line to the city grid but even just aging infrastructure that lacks redundancy can greatly impact an economy, especially on a larger scale. I know the current grid can handle the load but most of the United States does not maintain basic infrastructure on an acceptable level. Engineering Explained has multiple videos explaining this.
Yeah, EV owners losing their minds using their cars to stay warm at night and keep their phones charged. 🙄
@@warrensteel9954 or maybe it was because they couldn't charge??
@Keith Allen unlikely. Most EVs are topped up every night and the average commute doesn't fully deplete the vehicle. If the power is out you aren't likely going into work anyway and would still have plenty of range left to get to work once the power was back on.
This video is a well reasoned argument based on many false premises. Batteries are VERY recyclable. EVs do take more to make, but are vastly cleaner the rest of their life while has cars burn fuel and pollute every time they are used.
Nope it take over a 100k before it evens out .
You should really do your research.
@@krisi.2011 many other videos that debunk this.
@@krisi.2011 most EVs even out at 20k on coal power, 6k on clean power like solar or hydroelectric.
This is al Maga shit, I’m sorry to see its fake info even in not political videos!