explaining that one thing about Bode everyone keeps missing in Star Wars: Jedi Survivor
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- Bode in Star Wars: Jedi Survivor is a hell of a guy.
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I saw Bodes twist coming. Wasn't expecting him to be a jedi.
Yeah, I had a feeling something didn't bode well.
...But seriously, any character who keeps talking that much about his adorable daughter and how he'd do anything to keep her safe is bound to be a traitor. This is why I'm never having kids.
@@RelativelyBest Goddammit.
But yeah always talking about the kid. And he would always be like "I'll catch up either you, gonna take a look around here first."
@@RelativelyBest So what I am going to do is tell Lord Vader that you are force sensitive all because of that pun. Jk Vader ain't real, right?
i had a feeling that he will betray cal since the first mission
Bode's motivations never squared with a betrayal, it was just shoved into the plot.
Honestly, Bode being a Jedi makes so much sense on second playthrough. He knew a lot about the order and even telling Cal to “search your insticts” right before the reveal
Search your instincts ... a second before revealing himself to be a jedi isn't exactly a hint its literally part of his revealing this to you.
It happens like the second before he uses force.
Cal also says "May the Force Be With You" to Bode, and you could tell that Bode hesitates when he hears that
He also points out how Cere must hold back much of her power to make sure the Archive remains undetected... which raises the question "How the hell would he know how the force works?"
@@gentlemansoup To be fair a lot of people respond to that phrase weirdly at different times. It's not like it's a secret code phrase especially to people alive during the clone wars either. His aliby actually gives a little excuse for the reaction if you think about it also, grew up on coruscant fearing the Jedi. The phrase could have been passed off as envoking a bit of ptsd of his childhood. By itself that just isn't a tell.
@@deadeyeduncan5022 True but we actually know his history with the Jedi and that phrase, so it works both ways
I was suss of Bode when he shot Cordova. Thought that was a bit of a weird decision. When he force choked Merrin that was when I was like "yep, right, he's not a good guy."
Underrated comment 😂
I heard a rumor that merrin was supposed to die. So when I saw him do that I wanted cal to go dark side right then and there and just annihilate bode
Merrin seems like the type of woman that would have Cal force choke her during sex.
Sharp as a spoon this one
@@michaeltanson8242i mean, he kinda does when Bode punches BD-1, Bode could barely move and Cals crush was strong enough to break Bodes blasters which also saved him at the end since Bode went to draw his blaster on Cal forgetting his blaster was destroyed
At the beginning when he splits off to get the tie fighters off of Cal and the other guy and he just disappears, only to come back perfectly fine, I knew something was off. But they did a great job making you write it off and like him. Man, this game is so good. And great job giving clarity to things that people didn't read or missed.
I didn’t trust him all game and was constantly saying he’s going betray cal till he helps kill Dagen. I was so mad when he betrayed cal I had to stop playing for a while.😂
@@djcool2679 except that plan went away when they found out about tannalor. He legit was cal's friend it wasn't until cal wanted to bring ceres group that he decided to betray cal. Bode let his fear and obsession with his daughters safety Trump whatever friendship he had with anyone in the group. If cal had changed his mind and said he wasn't bringing her group bode would never have betrayed cal. Remember bode had been found by the empire before and his wife ended up dead because of it. He believed that if cere's group came with then the empire would find a way there.
@@habijjj if you go do force echo’s it goes into it further, he was always acting as his friends!
@@JobblyBobbly yup until when the went to rescue zee. Bode started to feel conflict bc he found himself genuinely liking cal but swore kata comes first. That's why he was pushing hard for cal to pursue merrin so he'd be selfish. Stop trying to save the world and use the compass solely to protect merrin and no one else like bode wanted to do with kata
We just saw him kill and help us kill some stormtroopers so that wasn’t as suspicious
No wonder it looks so similar to Dagan’s in the ending. Never expected bode to pick it up and least expected when he turns out to be a Jedi. I thought it just was his lightsaber he hid somewhere 😂
Yeah same, I was wondering why he would bother bleeding it at first and I only realized it wasn't his whe we see him at the end.
I pretty much pieced it together once I got a decent look at the hilt.
@@collecter343This is why u read the entries in the game, it tells u in the enemy section it’s dagans
@@collecter343 totally same.
Im pretty sure cal mentions that he picked up dagans lightsaber sometime
If you go back to the Archives in Jedha and interact with the Force Echo near the Imperial training dummy, you will find out that Bode wanted to use Cal's love for Merrin against him; to manipulate him into doing what he wants. That's also why Bode was trying to ask questions regarding Cal's relationship with Merrin multiple times in the Bog area on Koboh.
Partially true but I'm pretty sure that's before there relationship had gotten to the level of being actual friends. The eventual betrayal happened specifically because cal wanted to bring the rest of cere's group to tanalorr. If in that last conversation on jedha cal changed his mind everything wouldn't have happened.
That makes sense. I was wondering why he was pushing for that when he turned on him. I just didn't understand why he betrayed them. Like even if the Anchornites came, what would it matter. They were golden and he fucked it up because he wanted to be there alone or something??
@@optimusprimus89 cal wanted everyone who flees from the empire, to go on tanalorr, and bode thought that eventually the empire would have known how to reach tanalorr (spies or whatever)
@@optimusprimus89Same as other reply. Bode wanted no target on his back. He wanted OUT. He discusses this with Cal. Not fight. Escape. Cal asks "why no us right now ? Who would be better than us ?". Cal sensed it during the evening scene before the betrayal. He knew Bode was not on the same page.
@@Superdazzu2 ahhh I see..
What I also think people don't seem to grasp is why he betrayed Cal. Bode and Cal's ideals were pretty much completely aligned until Cal decided he wanted to use Tanalorr for the hidden path which would make it that much more likely for the empire to find. Bode just wanted a safe place away from the empire so he could stop working for Denvik as a spy and raise his daughter in a safe place. He was helping Cal because it would've given him a way out and a safer life for his family and he was willing to let Cal be a part of that. Bode and Cal did become friends and he gave Cal plenty of chances to change his mind about bringing the hidden path but when he wouldn't budge, that's when Bode took it too far. He was just trying to have a safer life but went about it the wrong way
Right. So many people missed this
That AND the fact that the force significantly enhances emotional responses, hence why he acted so aggressively in trying to keep his daughter out of the conflict between him and Cal, and also why the Jedi code forbids emotional attachments to friends, families and mentors.
I’ve seen people complain that the way Bode handled his betrayal and the safety of his daughter was far beyond the bounds of reason.
Well, of course it is, it’s supposed to be. The main themes of Anakin’s, Cal’s, and Bode’s arcs is that love can just as easily destroy you as it can save you, so I never quite understood that complaint.
@@toomberrebmoot9244 wow I actually never knew that but it makes perfect sense and sheds some more light on the Star Wars universe for me. Thanks for the insight
yes, because him and his daughter alone, on an uncharted planet is absolutely safe, there were totally huge amounts of necessary supplies on his one seater fighter to sustain him and his little girl for sustained amounts of time. Then lets think "oh he would have gone out to get those things" okay, he is a wanted man by the ISB and they know his last location was on Koboh, so anytime he goes to get anything, he will be hunted, cant exactly take his daughter along if he desires her safe, so he plans on leaving her alone on that uncharted world with zero living necessities? while he risks being captured or killed by either the ISB/empire, or his newly made enemy jedi that also knows he has to come through koboh before going anywhere else. Bode was a fucking idiot that was going to get his daughter killed because he was a coward, using his wife as a distraction to keep running, just to turn around and surrender and help those that murdered his wife
edit: Remembering his plan to have the ISB dealt with by vader, do you believe vader would not have found out about a missing jedi and his young daughter that is also likely force sensitive during his interrogation of those he held responsible? Do you believe any of those people being interrogated would have felt any loyalty to Bode to not immediately tell them everything they know and give up his files even if they knew death was coming?
@@supervastgut1568 what do you mean? Him and his daughter alone on that planet is totally safe. Nobody else besides dagan, santari and the high republic jedi council knew of tanalorr's existence. Dagan never even brought up if there was any indigenous lifeforms that were dangerous. Even so, it's completely safe from the empire and that's what Bode wanted the most. And never did I defend bode's actions. He acted out of passion and wanted tanalorr all to himself and his daughter and would've done anything to get to that point, including hurting kata if necessary. Idk what you're all bent up about. And Bode DID disappear. Bode Akuna isn't even his real name. He used skills from when he worked in intelligence in the Clone Wars to disappear. As far as the empire knows, he is dead. Denvik knows he is alive but denvik wasn't given any information on Tanalorr. He wouldn't know where Bode holed up even if Vader showed up which wouldn't be likely.
A cool thing to notice on a repeat playthrough is that Bode keeps subtly trying to turn Cal away from Jedi ideals. He gives him a blaster, which the Jedi would frown on, he encourages him to pursue a relationship with Merrin, which the Jedi would frown on. All of this to try to convince (or manipulate, if you will) Cal to stop trying to do the Jedi thing, fighting the Empire and working with the Hidden Path. He really wanted Cal and his family to go to Tanalorr with him and his daughter, and live there peacefully.
I just gotta say HUGE respect for being one of extremely few to have a clever title and a discreet thumbnail as well as giving a very notable spoiler warning message. Since a ton of the star wars community especially around media suck super hard and will post videos and thumbnails not caring about spoilers for others the day the game comes out if not earlier. I already beat the game but still I had to put it out there that I wish more people had this courtesy since I got spoiled a little bit before the game even came out on UA-cam
yeah. I was super lucky (and also determined to beat the game as fast as fast as possible, i have 60 hours on it rn :D) to not have anything really spoiled for me.
Right! I got spoiled on the Jedha attack because it was in a thumbnail
@@StephDLegend same, the thumbnail i saw was Vader stabbing who know who and a title stating as such, it was out of no where too 😅
I legit had three major things spoiled for me within the first few days after release, all coz some random people decided to upload spoilers on here. All I wanted to do was watch random videos on my lunch break at work
@@daisyleedham2275 people have no decency of considering they’re ruining it for others
I was suspicious when Bode happened to be the only person to leave Coruscant alive other than Cal.
Me too... 😅
I saw Bode's betrayal coming, but not until right before. I did not expect him to be a force user. Then they got me again by revealing he'd worked for Denvik during the Clone Wars.
I honestly expected Dagan to kill him.
Yeah the one scene right before he went insane, I could definitely see it coming
I think after the Dagen 2 I thought Bode was either going to die or betray Cal, he was just too likeable and kind. It was the campfire scene where I was like, damn he's really going to be a bad guy. I was completely blindsided by the fact that he was force sensitive thought so major props to the writers!
@zachd3189same, I was like he seems a little weird right here but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt since this seems like a happy scene and then he kills Cordova 3 minutes later lmao
Man, this game had a lot of foresight, in the setup for this game. I like how they have Force Echoes that help explained a lot of Bode's motives throughout the entire game.
I was one of the people that definitely didn't see Bode's betrayal coming. When Cal first told Bode that he wanted to share Tanalorr with the Hidden Path and Bode had a somewhat disappointed reaction, I knew something was going on but I had no clue that Bode was going to completely betray you, nor did I expect him to be a past Jedi. The entire final act of the game is just surprise after surprise.
Same here OP, I sensed some type of conflict may come but I didn't expect betrayal of that level.
Same here
Yeah, I did not like him from the start, but was surprised by the betrayal :-)
same, the story really exploded in the last sections (after ravys and gera)
Bode might’ve started off as just a spy but I believe he had genuinely switched sides when they discovered Tanalorr. It wasn’t until Cal decided to change their plans and make Tanalorr a base for the rebellion did he actually decide to betray them again.
Yeah that's pretty much what the game implies. It was slightly more gradual, with Bode getting wary of what Cal would chose to do slightly earlier on, and then only chosing to go through with his betrayal that night at the campfire when his final attempt to sway Cal fails.
late answers, but yeah, the game tells you about this in echo forces you can find after beating the game. One talks about how Bode starts being the kind of friend that Cal needs, just to get what he wants, but in the ship full of droids and the pirates he says that he really started feeling Cal as a friend, but keeps in mind the important thing is Kata
Something I noticed(probably nothing) was that one of the first things we see bode do in the game is shoot that stormtrooper in the back(close enough to stabbing). I could be reading too deep but I like to think it was a very subtle foreshadowing
a man masquerading as an ally, hitting you when you least expect it, all for the sake of his daughter. Happened poetically in his first and last scenes.
No this is so true!
That intro has it, it so has it.
All the time he was pretending to be someone he wasn't. Stabbed us right in the back. 😔
I never thought about it like that...that's deep af
I literally said to Bode as he helped me up for the first time, "You're the final boss aren't you?"
Seems to be a pretty big consensus that everyone saw the betrayal coming, especially being the only other to survive Courusaunt (however it’s spelled) but had no idea he was a force user.
@raylessneptune451 I believe you meant to say "croissant"
Is this a reference to "Bioshock"?
I knew something about bode was off when we fought dagan for the last time and bode wanted to stay behind so randomly
“Im gonna look for a manual or something” was one of the most suspicious sounding reasons to stay behind I’ve ever heard
They could've played it off like maybe he was shaken up cause he came close to death during that match and needed time to collect his thoughts...or idk
Killing Cordova was probably THE most unnecessary thing he's ever done. Cordova's death was worse than the previous performance issues
probably cordova knew how to fix/disable or create a new compass after fixing the last one? i don't know but probably there's a reason
Cordova was the only loose end that Bode thought was left. Watch Bode’s expression right when Cordova shows that the Compass is working. He finally realizes he’s gonna have to do it and he’s gonna have to do it now. Cordova was probably the only person smart enough to be able to recreate a compass after having fixed it, which meant that if was truly going to keep Tanalorr secret then Cordova had to be silenced for good. With him dead there shouldn’t have been any other way to get to Tanalorr, but obviously Cal finds the message left by Santari and finds a way using the arrays.
The voice actor for Bode made a comment on a Reddit thread about Bode’s state of mind. Obviously he deluded himself into thinking his intentions are noble until he finally reaches Tanalorr and realizes that he destroyed the last meaningful friendship in his life and for what? A completely abandoned and dead planet or a “kingdom of ashes” as the comment said.
That moment right before he sees Cal and Merrin on Tanalorr where he is looking at the light in the temple you can see the frustration on his face and you can hear it when he yells for Kara. Instead of doing the right thing with his last chance, he completely loses it and winds up doing the only thing a cornered animal will do when they are attacked:lash out with everything regardless of the consequences.
He uses Kara as an excuse for everything he has done, but the last fight really shows why he had been fighting all along: selfishness. The pain of losing his wife was not something he ever wanted to have to go through again ;even if it meant his daughter would never have the chance for a life of freedom and autonomy. He isn’t keeping Kara safe because he is worried about her. He’s keeping her safe because he doesn’t want to feel any guiltier than he already does after being the sole reason that his wife was killed. That’s why when he’s fighting Cal and Merrin, Merrin has to save Kara because he isn’t even cognizant enough to not harm his own daughter while he fights.
TL:DR Bode isn’t protecting Kara for her sake. He’s protecting her so he selfishly doesn’t have to feel any more guilt than he already does.
I also think people miss why Cal willingly embraced the Dark Side for a bit after he lost Cere.
Cal lost both Jaro Tapal and Cere Junda to betrayal. The difference is that Cal didn't have the connection to the clones that he did to Bode.
The clones were soldiers; Cal was their commander. They were friendly and treated him well, but they had a very clear boss/subordinate relationship.
Bode and Cal became close enough that they considered each other brothers and best friends. They had the same goal: protecting their families from the Empire. Bode became part of the crew of the Stinger Mantis and, by association, part of Cal's new family.
To Cal, Bode betrayed their family and caused the death of Cere to serve his own self-interest. A man he thought he knew turned out to be something else, and everything Cal thought he knew was thrown out the window.
He actually was friends with the clones too
The order 66 scene clearly shows him being more a friend to the clones then to bode.
All the clones speak to him as a friend & support him with his training & even high five him.
Seems like Cal & Bode barley knew each other… Cal didn’t even know he had a kid in the beginning.
Possible They might have developed a close relationship traveling on the mantis but the game doesn’t show any of that,
Cal is pretty much solo 90% of the game so idk how he would develop a very close friendship with bode & he uses the dark side since he is emotional about cere, master cordova & a betrayal from a trusted team member
He's known those clones for almost as long as he remembers.
He met Bode a week ago and had already spent more time with him than he planned to or had any particular interest in continuing once the job was done.
Woah, you completely missed it. Cal was corrupted by the dark side. Same reason he was jabbering about not having to follow the old ways anymore and getting frisky with Merrin. It wasn't by choice. but rather when he was being defeated by Dagan Gera, and rescued by Bode who was trained in the dark side.
@@joelb1299 Bode wasn't trained in the Dark side.
He fought for the Republic with the other Jedi during the Clone Wars and then worked for the Empire.
As far as we know he's never even met anyone trained in the Dark Side.
During to one of the conversations Bode had with Cal about his daughter, he said that he was gonna go and record a bed time story for her. That line alone gave me the feeling that Bode was about to die at some point to the story, so my surprise when he revealed himself to be a traitor and a former Jedi really kicked me in the guts
Also the fact that he was going off, not to record a story, but to call the empire
that is when i had suspicions, literally was like "nah. he's not that kinda nibba right? tell me he's not actually reporting to the empire or some shit."
Every time I hear Bode talk I just hear Charles from RDR2
I knew the voice sounded familiar but I couldn't place it😂
And also “Kotollo” in Horizon forbidden west
Dammit Charlie's I expect that from micha but not you Charlie's arthur will is very disappointed in you
I saw the twist happening, but only when I started to belive that he wouldn't do it he did. Bode is a fantastic character, and a brilliant foil to Cal. A genuinely fantastic story with fantastic characters.
I think everyone “saw” the twist coming. I mean what person isn’t skeptical of a new character that we know very little about joining the protagonists journey. However its not a lazy twist by any stretch no matter how many people are sitting here saying “I knew this was going to happen from the beginning”
What I think the game does very very well is let down the players guard a lot over the course of the game. You the player (just like cal) become close to bode and trust him more as the story progresses and you learn about his daughter. The game introduces you and preoccupies your attention with the main villains and throughout Bode is there to help and fight along side you the whole way.
That’s what makes the twist so shocking despise being skeptical of Bode since the beginning. Oh that and making him a former Jedi and being the “Survivor” was just an amazing addition.
All the fact that he sounds and is played by the same actor as Charles from Red dead redemption 2, both played awesomely well.
I expected him to be a traitor...but not a force user
Same. Guy we never worked with before being the main guy for the first job we see him in and everyone just loves him so quickly.. Writing was all over the wall but they still nailed us with so many surprise twists.
Yooo Carmine!!
@@Woozie87 Mendoza
I like how if you pay attention to what Bode talks about he’ll occasionally lie or talk about some random nonsense that probably didn’t happen. And just be like, later Cal, to cover his tracks.
But sometimes he just throws these torpedos at you...
Like "You know she wasn't just trying to find Tanalorr, right?".
He asks about Merrin directly, shamelessly lol 🤣 like it's his business or he's close enough to Cal to talk about *that* and then you kinda know why... He's getting flashbacks, he and Cal have a lot in common. Cal is someone he could see as a best friend. Outch.
@@samf.s.7731 When Merrin and Cal meet Kata for the first time in the imperial base apartment, and Bode says "That man is my best friend...", you can hear that he genuinely means it. I swear the voice cast in this game did a *phenomenal* job.
How did people miss him getting Dagans Lightsaber. Thought it was obvious
The reveal that he was force sensitive totally caught me by surprise but it makes sense when you realize he was running into fights alongside Cal with no armor or protection and coming out without a scratch on him.
Theres a note right after you lose your first fight against Bode that says that he took Degan's lightsaber
Wait what? You mean as a databank entry?
@@MrHulthen Yes
@@MrHulthen yeah, not a databank entry but his first tactical guide entry
Still an interesting plot twist even tho from the jump I knew Bode would betray by the end of the game they did several things that I wasn't expecting. 1st being that that betrayal would happen after we killed the big bad, that he was a force user himself, and that he had been working as a deep undercover operative and not just someone who was trying to earn favor with the empire. So I was half right on how his character would turn out at least but that still didn't stop his character arc from being any less amazing.
He felt so out of place immediately to me but that might be partly due to the fact he was part of that other team and they all felt out of place. Didn't surprise me in the slightest that he was gonna betray them.
I figured that they were holding his daughter hostage, and made him do it, but he willingly entered a pact with the Empire. Scumbag.
I thought its gonna be a video explaining why he's so buff. Obviously because he's a... Bode builder
Not gonna lie...you had me chuckle with that one. Good stuff you son of a gundark XD
HAH
Oh my god, just take my like you criminal 😂
That joke was so bad I couldn’t help but chuckle.
Bode the builder
Bode being a Jedi was a very nice plottwist ! Him being a traitor was predictable. But the Jedi part was like "The Writers outsmarted your outsmarting" and i find that very funny.
People keep saying they saw his betrayal coming from when he acted strange on Jedha, but I didn’t (well I expected betrayal, just not from that scene). I thought the reason why he strangely excused himself from there was because Merrin was walking up. I thought he was being a bro and excusing himself so his bro could talk with the girl he liked.
it was probably for that reason too, there are echoes in the postgame that also show that his intention was to get cal and merrin closer so he'd share that same similar protective mindset and focus on merrin over the hidden path. bode really did grow to love him as a brother and friend, he just...let his own daughters protection misguide him. which is something a vast majority of parents would probably do. i know merrin says its a weak excuse buuuut. well.
one thing i noticed which probably means nothing but Cal tells bode may the force be with you and bode just says youre a good fighter
I'm more confused about the fact that, Bode took a data disc from the observatory, apparently DIDN'T watch it, and then just left it out in his quarters for Cal to find. The very same data disc that had info on the back way into Tanalor..........Bode....A IMPERIAL INTELLIGENCE AGENT, DIDN'T WATCH A DATA DISC HE STOLE?! He acts surprised that Cal managed to get to Tanalor so it isn't like he left it out for him to use. I KNOW it's just deus ex machina to show how cal can get to Tanalor without the compass but it DOES feel like a lazy bit of writing from a mostly solid plot.
I realized it when he ignited the red blade on Jedha. It was so obvious. How can people miss that?
yeah it has a completely unique emitter and unless someone manufactures old republic sabers it's pretty obvious how he got it
@@_vindicator_ Honestly, I didn't even notice it was the same saber and just assumed he had bled his own crystal, most likely after the loss of his wife
@@khora3845 im still disappointed we cant get that saber, cal leaves it twice during the game...
@@khora3845 It's a reasonable mistake for you to make, but an important one that you don't because we need to realise that he's not choosing to fight with a Red Blade because he is a Sith or Dark Jedi.
He's desperate and misguided, not evil.
It's also not very obvious since Bode only uses it in single blade mode, unlike Dagan.
What's up Mr.H - this is Noshir, the actor for Bode Akuna. Enjoyed watching your video! And THANK YOU for not being one of those douchey UA-camrs who plasters the spoilers all over your thumbnail and title. And then including a spoiler warning in your video! Class act.
Also... "Where was he keeping that lightsaber???" hahaha
Hey man, interesting thing about the game and quite clever: Jed Survivor the title had us thinking the title of the game was about Cal. LITTLE DID WE KNOW XD
Great performance playing Bode, I actually felt conflicted about him. Also you have beatiful eyes lol
@@RazorO2Productions 😉
@@arturillosmeriglia8029 Really glad you found Bode compelling. And thank you for the compliment! 😁
I 100% had a feeling bode was going to backstab, but when he used the force I was stunned.
The point was the saber blaster stance was a sign the whole time
They clearly showed Cal taking Dagan's lightsaber off of Bode at the end. I don't see how this was even a topic of discussion.
Idk about you guys but as soon bode called cal "brother" I knew what was up
Yeah see I just thought it was "brother in rebellion", turns out it was even closer to home...
Sh!t
I knew something was off about him once Cal suggested they use Tanalorr for the Hidden Path. He started acting all shifty and uncomfortable - and then, once he showed his true colors, everything went downhill from there.
when i wrapped the dagen fight, it's obvious he's up to no good. you can chat him up afterwards in the room and says something like 'you go ahead, bring the news to the rest of the team, i'll stay here' and never says why, super sketchy. he does that at various other points too, but at that point i was already angry that i couldn't loot dagen's cool looking saber, so i knew exactly what he wanted.
It didn’t make sense to me that Bode, who didn’t seem totally aligned with the dark side, would choose to bleed his crystal. Makes more much sense now I know it wasn’t his lightsaber!
I fully expected a betrayal. I did not expect him to be a force user.
SAME - like i knew he was sus and thought he was going to betray cal in some way - BUT FORCE USER?? no way
I think that Bodes reveal was such good writing. You are so caught up with Bodes betrayal (whether you saw it coming or not) just like Cal is in game that when he reveals what he is you’re just completely dumbfounded and blindsided by it. It was absolutely gorgeous storytelling, they just hit you with the one-two punch.
And then later when you catch up with Bode and chase him down in that Imperial facility, and activate the Dark Side for the first time it’s so poetic. Because before Cal was always running from the monsters of the dark side, but now *he* is the monster chasing down someone else. He literally tears through the base screaming Bodes name it’s such a horrific moment when playing as Cal (I mean its badass as hell too, but you’re so caught up in the power of it and wanting to kill Bode as much as Cal does that you don’t realize until after when you see the aftermath for yourself).
Could you imagine living with that snake on Tanalor?
Lmao if Bode was pure evil he woulda just say "aight come on in" and on their first night he just kills all of them in their sleep.
I don’t know how everyone saw bodes betrayal since the start I’ve replayed the game like 3 times now and he doesn’t seem suspicious until he wants to “look for a manual” for the compass which is literally 10 minutes before he betrays you
Honestly, it’s really good you made this video; I was lucky that I noticed it was Dagan’s during the final duel, but that can be a pretty easy-to-miss detail during a scene or fight like that.
All in all, I suspected since Coruscant that Bode was a spy of sorts, but I knew for certain as soon as when he picked up interest after hearing Cal and Greeze discuss Tanallor. As such, after the fight with Dagan, I did have a sneaking suspicion he took his sober and would use it against Cal, but I genuinely never expected him to be a force user at all.
Overall, the spy idea was a nice semi red herring to use, and overall Bode made for an amazingly compelling main antagonist.
People got so angry though over the betrayal, like actual players. I guess that means the writers did a good job?
I guess it just felt ... Too real?
When he kills Cordova and gets Cere killed after telling Cal to freaking go for it with Merrin... He truly became Cal's friend. That's just messed up....
Well done, writers! 😑😣👏
Crazy I knew since Coruscant, bro kept calling me “scrapper” cuz Cal tells him once he did work on Bracca, never in the dialogue does he hold you as a Jedi to be unique. Like go back and he never says “nice work jedi” or ANYTHING like that with Jedi in it
I think it´s so cool to know Bode was a Jedi knight serving with Lank Denvik, which helped Bode and his daughter to survive, if he´d get access to Cal and his crew, and what they worked on.
I always thought Bode was asking too many questions at the start
He even asks personal questions, and without understanding his background, it's impossible to see what stake he has in the whole thing.
It was so funny to me.
When Bode stays behind with Dagan's body, I said outloud jokingly to myself: in before he's an imperial spy.
Que him being an imperial spy and my heart breaking.
I had the gut feeling that he was working for the empire right from the beginning. He was way to eager to befriend Cal, and the way he "flew off" on Coruscant to distract the tie fighters was super sus.
But, the fact that he was a force user really caught me off guard. Although, it makes more sense that he survived that fight with Dagan, after knowing that.
The story was so dark well done. I really felt betrayed.
Does it make you feel angry that you're betrayed by your bro?
Yes, yes it does.
10/10 IGN 🤣🤣🤣
It's not even the only place it says it. Says it right in the story pages in the data bank. I forgot which one, but one of em says something like Bode, armed with Dagan Geras lightsaber, confronts Cal or something similar. I hadn't even seen the force echo about it lol.
I noticed it was Degans in the end of the game when Cal picked it up. Bode took half of it
I had a feeling he was not to be trusted but playing next to him for the while his betrayal actually hurt, my mission was to get my revenge lol 😂
"revenge is not the jedi way" - Darth vader.
@@xrafter sorry my master meditate on this I will.
Gotta say, his thought process, or lack there of, really bugged me.
I mean, what seven year old kid doesn’t want to be a hermit on an uninhabited planet?
It is a solid overall story, and I really appreciate that Merrin straight up mentions his lack of reasoning.
wow, someone who doesn't spoil the big thing in the title? deserve a like just for that
gotta be sneaky ya know
I didn't see the twist coming, because i was completely convinced Bode was gonna die, well, he does die, but you know what i mean
I didn't actually notice this in the ending until I started finding the echoes, where I found the echo where he takes Dagen's lightsaber. It's pretty interesting that the devs did this, and its cool that they're all dotted around the place . To be honest, I feel like I may have missed one or two.
I mean to be fair, Cal was hiding that big half of Jaro Tapal's lightsaber on him for like 5 years.
Was it unexpected? I didn’t trust him from the prologue, it’s great writing and acting but he just gave off bad vibes - he helped but he only helped *just* enough - at one point you have to jump puzzle up a lot of towers & you get to the top to find him stood there, yeah I get the game aspect but that’s a red flag, he didn’t fly in to meet you, he was stood there waiting & it’s also an enemy base where he’d stick out in the open
Bode truly was the Jedi Survivor…
I thought his reason for betrayal was very paper thin and seen it coming, especially after Cal left behind Dagan's lightsaber. The fact he was a Jedi however came out of no where that was well hidden. Thought Bode would have been much as a character with some minor tweaks:
- Keep that fact that he was a Jedi and during Order 66, used his intelligence and espionage training to vanish and went to work for the Empire after Order 66. Have it revealed that Vader would have known he was a Jedi and turned him into a new type of Sith Lord; an undercover Sith Lord to befriend Jedi's and rebel factions. While not as powerful as other Sith Lords give him the unique ability to mask his presence, his intentions and force alignment from Jedi's like Cal who can sense it
- Remove his Daughter entirely as a character, but keep her around as a talking point from Bode who used it to gain sympathy from Cal and company given there backstory. When Cal catches up to him on Nova Garron have Bode tell him his daughter is fake.
- Have him reveal his was tasked with Killing Cere and was using Cal to get close to her, with the Empire (Palpatine specifically) not seeing Cal as a threat despite his recent actions against the Empire. Vader however is somewhat intrigued by Cal and thinks he could be a great Inquisitor. Him stumbling across Cordova and seeing how Cal is far stronger then Vader and Palpatine thought and the Jedi Order is actually starting to regain it's footing would have thrown a wrench in his plans and has to wait for new orders. During this wait he actually starts to see Cal as an actual friend. When the new orders come in; find the base, determine it's defensive strength, disable their defenses and let Vader kill Cordova and Cere and capture Cal hoping the loss of his mentors would turn him to the Dark Side. Bode, now having grown to like Cal, and not wanting him to fall to the Dark Side kills Cordova himself to lure Cal far away from Vader's inevitable arrival to save him. Bode would inform Vader that he killed Cordova in self defense; with Cordova "figuring out" his identity and he "killed" Cal himself and secretly plans to run away with the Compass to save himself having betrayed Vader for Cal. Bode also knew that if Cal's friends were there to comfort him, they wouldn't allow him to fall to the Dark Side.
- Cal, not seeing it that way, pursues him with his friends. Cal wants Bode to give up and to use Tannalor as a safe haven for those who want to run from the Empire and wants to forgive Bode for his betrayal. Bode; hurt Cal didn't see it his way snaps and attacks, saying he gave up everything for Cal, with Cal being forced to kill Bode
I think what you're missing is Bode is also a theme of the games story. Much of the story is a contrast to Cal. How the strong desire for things can lead to the dark side. Cal gets blinded by wanting to take down the empire much like dagans obsession, he also values his new family which even one of their death at the hands of bodes betrayal pushes him to the dark side which is similar to bode and his daughter.
And in the end, cal gets to help someone who lost their family like he did find their way.
I think the story is centered around cal gaining wisdom and perspective and relearning why jedi believed what they did. And ultimately having to make the right decisions to not repeat the orders mistakes that lead to their downfall.
@@sacb0y Plus the title of the freakin game references Bode
The twist definitely cane as a surprise. However, the one thing that bothers me is how absolutely hard the boss fight is... considering bode hasnt trained with a lightsaber or the force in many many years... like, shouldn't you be a bit rusty? Ive been running around killing everything that breathes, remembering my training along the way and youre here acting like you never missed a beat.
🤔🎭 You haven't explained why he resembles Javier Bardem
I'll look into that! 😂
My god, he really did pull the lightsaber from there
He’s actually Charles Smith?
Yes, it's the same VA
"You get that off a corpse?" - Saw Gerrera
Okay so since this video has spoilers I think we can talk about it. This is gonna sound like BS but I promise I’m being truthful. On the first play through before Bode turns on you, I had a feeling there was something up with him. I didn’t at all know or think he was a Jedi but I did 100% think that he might double cross you. And sure enough he fucking did. God damn it Bode 😩
You're not alone. I just got done playing God of War not so long ago and so my BS meter was honed into perfection and I knew Bode was full crap. But him working as a deep undercover operative and being a force user himself were definitely surprises I don't think any of us could have seen coming. Really put an exclamation point on the title of the sequel being about a survivor. Plus they never got me to like or hate him enough to lose track on him being way too easily trusted for a guy we just met.
So as someone who got mildly spoiled (was looking online for a puzzle solution and had a video titled 'Bode betrays' get suggested to me I scrolled away before I fully read it but it was enough lol)
I'll probably never know if I would have thought he was suspicious just playing through without knowing, so guess I'm just curious what in particular made you feel that way?
I'd like to try and see some of the nuance I missed haha
@@coffeekat5066 Very beginning when they introduce him as the new guy. Tall tale sign of a mole in story telling. Mid way through the game he starts to become disagreeable 2nd guessing a lot of your decisions. Now he's not as bad as some who will always make any idea out to be a bad idea and not come up with any solutions on their own. You can kind of pick up on these kinds of things in writing all the time. A side character may think you are being a conspiracy theorist or that you are losing your mind or that some flaw with the main character makes them the bad guy in some way you can usually bet they are the type of characters to double cross. Not all of these are examples Bode shows but enough was present right from the beginning. He even says if you spend enough time with me the game is always rigged which is a line Greez tells us when he wants us to stop fighting the Empire.
I didn't even consider it until the game made it a bit obvious when cal mentioned using tanalor for the hidden path. Thats when i felt there would at least be conflict.
The mystery that I still can't figure out is what his motivation was? From the time Cal learned of the planet, he said it would be a great place for anyone to hide from the empire, not just exclusively jedi. After his daughter was saved from the empire, why does he continue? He was even offered the chance to give up and be forgiven, granting him and Kata the refuge that was supposedly his motivation, in the final confrontation.
Cause cal couldn't say with certainty that he could keep his daughter safe from the empire. So ig he chose to die and leave her to them anyway???
Early on i suspected bode of being a spy. After he shows up at pyloons saloon I thought "How'd he know where to find cal". Then when he's present during every cinematic im thinking "this guys a traitor, hes a spy, hes gonna rat us out on jedha" It wasnt until after the second playthrough i saw cal giving him a tracker to follow him after Coruscant, detail i missed first time. So it was by my own mistake i accidentally called it. The lightsaber was a shock though.
I think it was a bit obvious. Every cutscene I expected him to turn on Cal. Any person that speaks about doing anything to keep their daughter safe. He's going to go to any lengths to do that. Even join the Empire
@@brandonjones5879 From a different perspective, I imagined the daughter might be a lie to gain trust. The reaction he gave when cal said may the force be with you at the end of coruscant was also a big red flag early on. All in all though good character writing.
...he knew how to find Cal because Cal literally gives him a tracker to find him with...
@@capuchinseven "It wasnt until after the second playthrough i saw cal giving him a tracker to follow him after Coruscant, detail i missed first time"
@@Otto_K I thought it might have been a lie at first but the way he kept bring it up, almost like it was his obsession I figured she was real. I wasn't expecting her to appear in the game though. That was surprising. Not to mention Cal and Merrin basically adopting her. I want to see how that plays out in the next game.
I saw both twists coming sorta. He looked like Ezra (rebels). Hell, even fights like him and flies with a jet pack.
Also whenever Cal was in danger of a sale place for his family was present, he hesitated
Now I hate him even more
The whole game I was screaming, "Stop giving Mr Side-eye information!" "Why are you telling the sus new guy everything!" "Where is Bode's daughter? With the Empire, that's where."
"You haven't even seen Tanalorr yet, why are you discussing what you're going to do with it?!? Your last bit of info on the place, was that it was being attacked! It could be occupied. It could be gone!"
He's worked with Cal and Saw. Plus the Mantis Crew really were very welcoming and trusting of both Cal and Merrin, even though they were "new".
why are people so hung up on this, but not the entire betrayal not making any sense?
How does it not make sense? He was a spy. A good spy doesn't let you know he's a spy until it's too late.
I thought it made perfect sense, he didn’t even want to betray cal and gave him multiple chances to not involve the hidden path, the betrayal was his last resort
@@rymikai Pretty sure Bode was fine with Cal and others going to Tanalorr, but not if it meant raising an army. A couple of civilians here and there, the empire wouldn't notice, but an army they would.
@@rymikai Bruh... the whole point is that the Empire CAN'T get to Tanalorr.
Bode did not know you could get to Tanalorr using the arrays. So he thought he had the only way in or out.
Actually developing the technology to get to Tanalor would have taken the Empire decades, assuming they would bother at all.
The only reason Bode worries about the Empire coming there, is because call wants to make it a base for The Hidden Path. Otherwise, a deserted planet that is strong in the light side is useless to the Empire.
Next time you play a game, try paying attention.
@@rymikai yes this is what I was referring too, not that he was a spy
You could see the Bode thing coming a mile away.
I'm surprised this detail was apparently so elusive to people. I guess I can't expect everyone to see everything I see but at the same time, that is a _nice_ hilt. The second Bode pulled it out, I recognised it as Dagan's and I noticed it to the point that for a brief minute, I thought the twist was that Dagan had somehow disguised himself and swapped places with Bode.
If im being honest i didn't expect this because i wasnt paying attention to bode's character because i was distracted by better characters
The moment the whole crew died but the one dude that was brand new to the squad survives; I knew something was up
Extra end game content, as you're flying out of coruscant you can feel an echo in the air as a piece of space debris floats by:
Cal zips past bode and the others, blipping into hyperspace.
"Coordinates plugged in" "Copy gold 2, powering up" Bodes comrades came over his intercom.
"Good." Bode thought "Now's my chance."
Bode took his feet off the thrusters, armed and reengaged his twin turbine lasers locking onto two ships which had been previously flying with him. In a burst of plasma and gas, they sparked before him disappearing into nothingness. He didn't want to do it, but they'd gotten too close. Too close to discovering the truth and he wasn't ready yet. He'd come too far it to fall apart like a droid bought in the lower city. Grimacing he spooled the hyperdrive and blipped after Cal.
I was expecting him to betray us at some point, but him being a fallen Jedi, that was a cool twist and makes HIM the Jedi Survivor, not Dagan.
They need to up the redness on the red lightsabers. They look more dark orange in the sun this was never an issue in fallen order.
Need that pure crimson red look in all lighting conditions not just dark areas. Like every other red lightsaber appearance ever.
Same can be said for blue as well lighting should not affect the color of the lightsaber as the lightsaber is just that it's own light source.
They need to update them to be more vibrant basically
Respawn always messed up the lightsaber colors. Magenta and Cyan are damn ugly. They look way to white
@@SX41799
Yeah. When you fighting them 2 dudes in the sky with the lightsabers I could hardly tell what color they was.
Battlefront did it fine hell jedi academy yeaaaars ago got this right
I already knew he had dagans Saber because you can see the glints of gold accents on it based on the lighting when he pulls it out . Plus if you put 2&2 together why else would he have stayed behind for an extended period for no reason. It already became apparent during his mood shift after Cals intent changes after the fight with Gera.
If you read when bd scans bode or dagan or something it says bode uses dagams lighsaber
I love the echo's that reference parts of the game that you've already play through. there's a couple great one's in the imperial base that you infiltrate towards the end of the game
ngl, its heartbreaking that bode SO DESPERATELY wants to not betray cal. a lot of the secret force echoes are him talking about convincing cal or giving him more chances. when he told kata that cal was his best friend he definitely wasnt lying. thats just how...blinded he ALSO got by tanalorr. both him and dagan wanted to find it for the right reasons (protecting loved ones) but their fall happened because of the sheer obsession they had with wanting to keep them safe. i think its reasons like this that jedi for many years forbade attachment. love can literally overcome even common sense and sound thinking, even if its originally meant in a way that is..well intentioned.
cal also was nearly blinded by tanalorr, because he's become so focused on fighting the empire. its all he's known. luckily he has someone like merrin with a fantastic head on her shoulders. and it looks like him and merrin have kind of...adopted kata and will be another good balance to his encroaching and growing reliance on using the dark side
PS: kata is WAY too fucking mature for her age, jesus chisticles, most kids even seeing their parents be beyond reason would utterly despise their parents murderer.
also. i also kiind of thought bode was gonna die after the 2nd dagan gera fight. like. NOW it makes sense why he was confident enough to fight him and why he was able to so easily evade death. but back when i first did that fight i was so terrified bode would die. dude was just THAT likeable up until he became a dick. and even then i wanted him to just...see the light. some type of redemption of atonement so he would still be alive for the 3rd game. nope. dude was just too blinded by love for his daughter.
Just realised hes the same VA as charles in rdr2
The surprising thing that nobody seems to remember is the Jedi Order lost this place to the Nil who invaded it. The compass and array aren’t the only way in. I also would not be suprised if the world is crawling with Nil.
The entire time I seen bode I was like, this guy is here to die or betray us and his only function is to activate cal Darkside.
His twist was expected.
He should've died, his betrayal and subsequent death was completely irrational and unnecessary. Also bode hiding his Jedi ability would be impossible
The thing I'll never understand is Dagan's lightsaber progression. It starts off as a single blade which he corrupts turning red, then on his second encounter on the control tower he's made it dual bladed and able to split, just like Cal's. I'd understand if Dagan took inspiration from Cal, but wouldn't that need a second Kyber crystal? Where did he find that? And why is it that when Bode takes it, it becomes single bladed again? I could understand if Bode could only use a single bladed in combination with his blasters, but I doubt he'd only take half of Dagan's saber for himself.
I saw his shifty eyes from Coruscant. I knew he was going to turn on Cal but didn't see the Jedi twist. Force sensitive but not actual Jedi.
You can tell the Bode was really trying to get Cal to turn, or at least give up being a Jedi with the questions he asks throughout the story. Kind of like he didn't want to have to fight Cal, but have him as an actual ally/friend. My opinion though lol
He didn't wanted to fight Cal. After finishing the story, if you explore some places close to his "old home" you find out he did care about Cal, and he was hoping he was okay, but he never liked the fact that he cared about Cal. He was trying hard not to, but he did.
There’s a file you can read about Bode that says he took Dagans lightsaber. Also the fact that Bode was the only new big actor in the game kinda gave away the twist at the end
Finally someone who can read! Yes, and they put it in your face. You just have to not press a button and not skip it, and the answer is there. What is harder to find out is that he truly cared about Cal. That is a true "mistery", for some reason. I don't know why, because it made me like the character a lot more.
Is it just me or did anyone else just not see the thing with Bode coming? Maybe I didn't pay attention to the hints, but man when I saw him pointing the blaster at Cordova, I was like... The fuck you doin?
You're not the only one, believe me :)
Literally from the beginning i was like „bro this dude gonna sell us out for the empire“ but slowly i was like „wait is he?“
Then i was(seemingly) close to beating the game so i was like „damn guess i guessed wrong“
Then after „finishing“ the game, his twist happened and i was shocked. Like it seemed obvious but the way they did it was perfect so you dont expect it but it also doesent come out of nowhere.
If this game was a bit more polished(and its not even that bad tbh just some frame drops) it would easily be 10/10
I played on console, it really wasn't that bad. But the footage form other gamers looked bad and I didn't get any of the glitches they had. Worst part is .. everytime I couldn't figure something out because I was brain dead, I thought the game may have a glitch.
That was ... Dumb on my part 🤦♀️
@@samf.s.7731 yea, i didnt rlly get any glitches other than frame drops on pc, so i love the game alot
the third compass breaking into pieces is also probably bodes idea to stall cal and cordova so the empire can prepare for an assault on jedha
I figured he just hid it under his jetpack, like maybe the jetpack had a holster or something.
I found it insane how so many people didnt clue into this the first time. I knew as soon as cal lifted the saber at the end of the game that it was Dagan's because it looked exactly the same, but everyone else I know who played the game didnt realize that right away which I find kinda weird
Might be because half the people who played it were playing a 240p slideshow where you couldn't tell what anything was. At least that was the case on PC.
@@HelplessTeno idk, I was on pc and it was bad for the first 2 days of release but after the patch on day 3 my game was perfectly fine