The Sun in Astrology: Meaning Explained
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Discussing the meaning of the Sun in astrology, and explaining what it signifies in a birth chart, with astrologers Demetra George and Chris Brennan.
During the course of the episode we read through some excerpts from different ancient and modern astrologers in order to see how they conceptualized what the Sun signifies in an astrological chart.
We also talk about some different techniques that are used in astrology that involve the Sun, such as the solar phase cycle, different heliacal phenomena, under the beams, combustion, cazimi, sect, and more.
This is a followup to episode 294 with Israel Ajose where we looked at the meaning of the Moon in astrology, as the second installment in our series on each of the planets:
• The Moon in Astrology:...
Demetra is the author of the book Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques, Volume I, which has a large section that deals with the Sun and solar phase cycle:
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Volume 2 of her book Ancient Astrology is going to be available for pre-order later this month! Sign up for the mailing list on her publisher’s website to get a notification as soon as it is available:
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For more information about Demetra’s work check out her website:
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Significations of the Sun Excerpts
Here is a document that contains all of the excerpts from different ancient and modern astrologers on the meaning of the Sun that we talked about in the episode:
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The six authors that we read from in the show are Vettius Valens, Abu Ma’shar, William Lilly, Reinhold Ebertin, Richard Tarnas, and Demetra George.
This is episode 302 of The Astrology Podcast:
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:46 Demetra's new book
00:02:47 Demetra's historical survey approach
00:07:08 Valens significations of the Sun
00:12:57 Illumination
00:14:45 Thema Mundi and the Sun
00:19:56 Geocentric system and the Sun
00:21:26 Centrality of the Sun
00:22:57 Leo
00:24:08 Sun in Aquarius, Aries, and Libra
00:29:35 Sect
00:34:55 Kingship and the Lion
00:36:24 Mind and Sun vs. Body and Moon
00:43:22 Action/Praxis
00:45:54 Sun and the Heart
00:47:20 Sun and Gold
00:49:45 Sun and Eyes
00:51:20 Abu Ma'shar significations
00:53:51 Sun and Father
00:58:17 Mother and the Moon
01:01:10 Sun and Moon in the 12th house
01:02:24 Sun and Moon and 4th and 10th houses
01:04:31 Demetra's natal chart
01:06:18 Benefits of psychological astrology
01:11:04 Indicators of length of life
01:14:07 The solar phase cycle
01:29:22 Mars, Jupiter, Saturn opposite Sun always retrograde
01:34:58 Two interpretations of planets under the beams
01:36:37 Mercury and Venus phase relationship to the Sun
01:43:37 William Lilly significations
01:48:43 Reinhold Ebertin significations
01:51:15 Richard Tarnas significations
01:53:43 Demetra George significations
01:58:00 Astrology and time
02:02:58 The Sun and willpower
02:05:12 Solar techniques
02:06:55 The frame for secondary progressions
02:09:08 Solar return charts
02:10:42 Demetra's books
02:12:05 Demetra's website and classes
02:13:10 Demetra's upcoming events
02:14:07 Closing remarks
You are a hero and a legend for the free content on this channel.
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Yes! Agree💓so grateful
I trine that!!! Priceless awesome service and learnig a lot each video
agree totally
Legit.
Chris & Demetra - that was an incredibly valuable conversation! Demetra is a living treasure to the astrology community 🌞 Thank you both.
Let me know in the comments how the Sun is situated in your chart (sign, house, aspects), and how that has manifested in your life!
I have Cancer sun 4 degrees 8th house trine Jupiter 26 degrees 3rd house. I get many opportunities. I feel really satisfied with myself at times. I also enjoy things when I'm doing nothing.
I am 21 degrees Libra sun in 10th house, forming a t square with Leo moon (square) and Aries Jupiter (opposition). Sun trine Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius in the 12th house. Father highly narcissistic, generational abuse. He is also very creative- he was an actor when he was younger. Always breaking promises he couldn’t keep (sun opposition Jupiter). Very different to my mother - he is very impulsive, she was very steadfast (sun square moon). Career is very important to me (sun in 10th), although Sun is in fall in Libra meaning difficult beginnings- difficult to make distinction between what my wants and needs are and what other ppls’ wants and needs are. I would say with the sun in Libra in the 10th, after the death of my mother, I have made it my business to get “justice” for her (Libra ruling law and balance) through living a successful life, whatever that means. North node in Aries meaning individuation very important in this lifetime. Major transits don’t normally feature my sun- it’s tended to be aspects with the outer planets transiting my ascendant. I feel like my sun is overshadowed by my moon, which is quite afflicted, lots of squares to sun, Venus and Pluto (Scorpio) Sun is quite vanilla compared to the amount of Scorpio in the chart!
Scorpio in 4th trine moon and trine ascendant def a huge moment
Sun in taurus in second house. I'm really rooted in my values 🐃 I have a strong desire for stability and security.
Same :)
This is priceless ☀️ I could listen to Demetra teach all day. Please bring her back again!!!
I’m a total novice but I still thoroughly enjoy these great teachers discussions! Thank you Chris! 😊
Similar to Demetra, my ascendant and moon are in Leo, and my sun (and Venus) is in Gemini and I can completely relate to preferring to exist in thoughts instead of in the body. Spending hours just playing around with ideas feels more natural than having to live in the moment and in my body.
Another good interpretation of combust/under the beams I've seen is that the planet/s work in service of the Sun- so whatever house the planet rules will work towards the goals of the house the Sun rules. Their own goals are deferred in place of contributing to the higher principle and life narrative of "King" Sun. The planet/s will also be less material and more noble, though still very hidden. I like this interpretation a lot, it seems more usable in chart analysis than just "they don't work because they're burnt."
i actually just finished the moon discussion with Israel over the weekend, and listening to this today. it's great doing these two in a row! pisces sun/moon/venus/mars - it's really interesting having both luminaries in the same sign, and also venus+mars (divine masculine/feminine) all together. what a party in the watery depths of the ocean. i have a very nocturnal chart as well, and i always feel like i'm a super wintery person who loves the night and really isn't too happy in the sun. Thank you so much for these amazing videos!
What puzzles me about Thema Mundi is that it doesn't match the southern hemisphere logic of light as that principle is being completely opposite. For instance, Leo season in my side of the world is the peak of winter and sun's fall in Libra the beginning of spring. It would be really useful to address this particular issue in future episodes @theastrologypodcast
Goddess Demetra we Loooove you!! ❤ Thank you Chris 🙏🏽
I cannot believe how thorough and long each podcast is about every topic I could possibly want to learn about in the astrology world. I am so grateful for what you do thank you Chris!
I was excited to see this by the title alone. As I have been gettind deeper into my studies on astrology my 19 year old daughter has started wanting to know more about astrology as well. So I started teaching her by doing in depth studies of each of the planets and their correlations. Currently we are doing a deep dive into the sun so this video came right on time. Thank you for all you do it means a lot and is extremely helpful.
i have learned something from every episode I have seen from this channel. Sometimes about learning astrology and sometimes about myself specifically. This was an episode I learned from both categories. Thank you both.
This was such a treat...I’m estimating 3 listens to this one!
After viewing this my partner showed me a video of the recent and active Parker solar probe and my goodness we’re going to be learning some interesting things about the Sun over the next few years. Thank you guys x
This podcast is absolutely amazing! Thank you!
Love it when you have Demetra on! Listening to two powerhouses of astrological wisdom have a conversation is incredible. I find myself screaming every couple minutes about an incredible point accidentally hinted at, as well as the more obvious information you both pass along constantly. Cant wait to read volume 2 of Demetras work, looks like I’m about to review volume 1. Thank you both for all the insight💕
Second time watching. This video popped back into my feed a few days ago and today the Sun transits across my ascendant and I find myself drawn here. Thank you both for bringing all of this to light on this day where I was clearly meant to receive it for a second time. Bless you both! 🙏💛
So excited to hear about the book release.
Demetra is amazing at explaining things.
The information about cazimis, combust, retrograde, is so critical! I’m glad I took the time to catch up on this episode.
Absolutely essential content, love seeing Demetra and Chris getting into the real-deal Solar meanings and techniques. The most iconic of the planets in astrology has needed proper consideration in the online community. Thank you!!
I don't understand even a fifth of what is being said....but I just love listening....
This is so rich and moving an exposition. The discussion of inner planet cycles pushed me to realize that Demetra’s birth chart has Mercury retrograde entering Sun’s beams, at heliacal setting as evening star. (Please correct me if wrong.) A very potent and reflective Mercury, well cultivated and manifested.
I have Venus and Mercury in the third house, Aquarius, I have always been a huge fan of women's rights and equal opportunity for women. From the age 13 onward I was always reading about women in power and the Suffragist movement. Thank you Demetra for that tidbit about the third house!
This is a stand out episode, Chris. Wonderful job. Demetra is such a treasure.
Love both your books! Looking forward to Demetra's Volume 2! Love this channel! Thank you...
I loved this. I learn so much listening to Demetra; there’s something about the way she speaks and explains things that keeps me engaged . Thank you both 🙏❤️
So wonderful! Can't wait for Volume 2!
love that i'm getting Solar Powered Energy ads on this Sun episode LOL
This is really good. Feeling so fortunate to be able to experience these awesome authors/specialists/gifts with years of wisdom here. Thank you so very much for all you're doing to help open us to the immense value of astrology.
It’s fascinating the ancients conceived of the Sun as the right eye and the left as the Moon since this fits figuratively with modern neuroscience in terms of the hemispheres of the brain-the left hemisphere being the home of grammar and logic; the right, the deeper access to primal emotions, imagery and bodily sensations. So cool…
This is fantastic . Thank you Demetra, Chris and the internet ❤ 🙏❤
Hi Chris, wow what a very special presentation! The depth, detail, knowledge of you and Ms. George is mind blowing...sages. Thank you so much for all that you do uncovering and revealing the wisdom of astrology!
I love the explanation of the sun and it’s Leo representation.
My father is a Leo sun and possibly a Sagittarius moon, and I’m a Libra rising (depression) Capricorn sun (Saturn ruled). I’d like to think this explains why I always butted heads with him all my life. 😅
this was an amazing episode. love hearing both of your discourse. Demetra really had some great points on the suns indications that I honestly had never thought of or heard before. Masterpiece. ♉︎☉ ♌︎☽ ♐︎ ⇧ here and going through all these episodes . thank you guys so much!!
absolutely amazing discussion, yet again. Thank you so much for the generosity of sharing with all. I learn so much and appreciate!
New astrology student here! Finding your in depth vids on each of the plants so incredibly helpful. Thank you for making and sharing these! Looking forward to diving into other series of yours once I’m through these too. Appreciate you!
I believe Astrology is an actual dimension because it allows us to see reality from another perspective. Also as with the other dimensions ..Astrology incorporates geometric angular observations in a moment in time.
Absolutely great more please with the two of you. The knowledge you share freely is amazing
Thank you for invaluable information Chris and Demetra!
Thanks for sharing this! Much appreciated! 😊👏🏼🙌🏼
It's very interesting about the progressions and gestational period. I am new so still a lot to learn, but just to comment that in some cultures in Asia, the celebration of the 100th day after birth is regarded as highly important. ^^
Great discussion. I found the section on Astrology and time interesting because I have thought a lot about how astrology is the only divinatory technique (that I know of ) that has the measurement of time as an integral component to the system. Nothing else has that, not tarot, or I-Ching, scrying, lot drawing etc. etc. I find that really fascinating!
I am Sun in Aquarius with Scorpio Moon & Scorpio Rising. I found Demetra’s discussion of the Sun as Father in the function of the 4th House particularly profound for my own chart. That is, the father as having a central organizing principle in the child’s life. I was adopted, and my birth mother gave me up because my birth father was convinced to not marry her as she wasn’t “worthy”. However, reconsidered after I was born and adopted, and they are still married to this day with two additional children. But his decision had a huge influence on my life then…. And also years later when he rejected me again after we met later in life when he chose his daughter over me, and made the choice to cut me out of all their lives again as his daughter ( my birth sister) had issues and jealousy with me. So again, HIS decision was the one that has held significant influence over my sense of home and connection to birth family. So this has been very challenging and painful, but hearing this explanation of the Sun as representation of the father and his role in the 4th house has allowed me to make sense of my situation and how it seemingly is playing out in real life. He very directly and literally determined my acceptance and legitimacy in my birth family. Very good episode, with many insights for me.
I was called to read your comment as I had a profound friendship with your same top 3 placements (I dont know her family history however). I sympathize with your sharing, a very painful family story. 💚 I'm also a 4th house sun (and was minutes away from sharing a birthday with my father).
Great interview 😊 I learned so much.
Wow! So interesting! I learned so much, and for that I thank you🙏
Incredibly informative. 🌞 Much appreciated.
My sun in scorp in 10th house, conjunct vesta. My dad's mother died when he was 5. He was emotionally absent, not there for me at all is an understatement, and the other half of 2 very dysfunctional parents. She obviously didn't want kids, but he didn't notice it, because she always treated him like an infant and waited on him hand and foot, while either ignoring the kids, or venting her anger at me, the youngest, or my brother, the oldest. She and oldest sister f'd with his mind so bad, I think it contributed to his drinking and driving death at 27. The 3 sisters were allowed to pick on mercilessly and the one I had to share a room with for 15 years was a pathological liar, violent, hateful, thief, destroyer of my soul. Even my mother tormented me emotionally herself, and somewhat physically, like not feeding me when she had food when I was like 1 and a half years that I remember, and she scolded me and put me under the sink for communicating to her that I was hungry. At about 12, I learned to hold my own, but then at 15, got raped as virgin, and dreams of being "saved" by marraige, ha ha, of course went to hell in a breadbasket, as I hitchhiked around and got raped by 12 more men, up to around 19 years old. My mom was catholic, religious fear ruled her, but I got most healing from: a course in miracles, learning to communicate with higher self, Jesus and others, even God Itself. And what Jesus teaches in a course is that forgiveness heals, and alot of other stuff probably not pertinent here, like God didn't create the physical universe, but our soul's, conglomerate projected it , mis using the energy we were created as, in an attempt to escape from It /God . And the good thing is, we never left God and yet forgot, as we continue to weave this web of illusion, that, because of the nature of us and God will always lead us home, eventually. We are there now, and just need to realize it. Of course, easier said than done. This was a very inspiring and enlightening podcast. I have a friend that's a triple Leo, I think, and I can relate. Always great to learn more about the human experience. Thank you both, so much! Love, and healing!!!
So much gratitude for your time energy and incredible guests ❤
Can't say enough good things about demetras book as well- the exercises in each chapter are incredible for beginners. :)
12h sun lol I have a bad right eye & poor relationship with father :). prefer to work behind the scenes.
This was amazing I loved it as a Sun Cap Leo Rising...
My father is Sun Leo his father Cap and Mother Leo, so much deep insight as the first grandchild, I was put on the lap for that lineages bundle. I’ve individuated/ing from that lineage and choose to shine my truth...Whooo big info big gold pennies drop 🌞
Thank u, i love the way Demetra explained here
Soo interesting. Thanks you both. I will go to her website. I follow your podcasts Chris.
Straight outta the gate (you need to read it with an Australian accent) - volume II is being released. Excited to purchase this book!
FINALLY I UNDERSTAND WHAT YALL ARE SAYING WHEN REFERRING TO VITALITY. THANK YOU.
I'm also a 12H Leo/merc with 10H gemini moon and I totally relate when she said" having a hard time exsisting "
Can either of you comment on under the beams in terms of the practical uses? In every chart I've delineated, combustion does not seem to play out on the native's life. Ex military man in law enforcement with strong emphasis on fitness with Sun in Virgo at 24° and Mars at 28°... Mars does not seem weakened at all! (Night chart)
3rd house with Venus and Mars in Aries.. makes so much sense
A sense of loss connected to father or mother, when you have Sun or Moon in the 12th house was spot on! I have Moon in 12th house and my mother died young.
Thanks for your time and knowledge...
Love this channel a
great deal!
Decided to go linear revisiting these and I only wanted to comment, this time, that I’m already reading 3 books simultaneously due to this podcast where I started this to discover I really want to read the two volumes discussed in this episode. If this keeps up I may send everyone an invoice for parts and labor in regards to buying and reading so much from this podcast.
There was already a book by Demetria I wanted to check out and now it’s at least 3, this was the hardest “planet” in the series for me to grasp which I assumed was having sun in the 12th. Maybe, but it’s also that Demetria is so unbelievably knowledgeable that I get lost. Yet, forcing myself to stay go linear, it’s perfect timing because volume 2 may be (not sure if it’s released yet) something to help me solve my issues with houses. Volume 1 looks like it may solve an issue where the sun doesn’t make sense to me sometimes. I revisited the aspect episode with Claire Moon not long ago and an issue I can have with planets is that my natal is conjunctions, trines, and sextiles. The libra conjunctions used to be difficult to separate, but Richard Tarnas’s interpretation of Pluto actually made so much sense it’s easier to tell them apart. I think some of that issue was the “higher frequency” interpretation. The trines and sextile’s, if I focus in on a planets “vibe” I can often get feelings from other ones so it’s harder to isolate them. But, sun conjunct Mercury r conjunct Saturn (out of sign) is a REALLY hard one to delineate for a different reason.
Moon and Israel is next for this week. Because of the whole book thing, my Easter is kind of ruined because I’ll feel awful if I get to the Venus episode not finishing Cosmos and Psyche. I’m jumping around, can’t help it. The undertones of that book made me drift over to more hermetic books for a while. However, perfect timing because I checked my place in that book and Tarnas is explaining uranus and I’m using uranus transits to look at how Lots were triggered. Eros and nemesis are actually fascinating in that regard. There were issues of Archai Journal I want to read that I need to start before getting to Venus if I plan to keep my deep dive plan in tact. Sadly, reading Tolkien isn’t on my to do list and I’d love to read her book. Maybe someday, but i need to read Tolkien first.
Since it was brought up indirectly in this episode and my Easter break is going to be finishing cosmos and psyche to get room to add more books to my reading list… when I want to ruin someone’s Easter I point out that the unconscious is so powerful that people don’t notice their celebrating the earths fertility by hiding Easter eggs in the yard to watch their kids find them. It’s so creepy. 🤪
Joking aside, I was actually kind of excited hearing about the books. Revisiting episodes pays off. Im really looking forward to diving into Reynolds and even Levine when I get there.
This episode clicked this time.
Amazing awesome session 👍 great insights 🌺 thank you Chris 🙏 thank you Demetra 🌹
Love your podcast!
This was excellent! Thank you!
Absolutely 💯 healing the soul ❤ and male peace and find purpose and meaningful life. Wow Sun what and Moon How. What is value...incredible wise teaching.
This video gives me hope I will see my tree❤Thank you
Okay but the 3 H with womans rights makes so much sense with my Venus and Mars in Capricorn in my 3 H damn.
I definitely need to look more into it. Thank You Demetra🙏🏼
Demetra’s Volume I is one of, if not my most favorite astrology manual, so I’m eagerly waiting for Volume II :)
As for the father significator debate, I don’t see why sect would play a role in deciding what planets signify parents and why only one of the luminaries is allowed to perform its traditional role in that case. For example, Jupiter signifies children in all charts, so why would fathers be any different? To me, it makes more sense if we treat parents like any other topic, i.e. look at both the planet and the house: Sun and 4th for fathers, Jupiter and 5th for children, Venus and 7th for love relationships, etc. In my own chart, Sun and 4th house ruler sit together, so the pairing works for me.
Illuminating thank you ♥️🙏🏽
MashaAllah, i am glad i found fountain of atrological knowledge here. thank you. you guys are epic.
I love it.finally am starting to understand. Invites me to persevere thank you from 🇦🇺
Such a great topic. I am so confused about the term mind. As vedic astrologers have used it for the Moon for centuries. I don't know how it got differentiated this much.
Thank you so much 🌈🙏
What a treat!
Bless you for this sharing of wisdom 🌾
Thank you for this tremendous Blessing!
Excellent. Thank you. 🌟
Awesome Material 👌 👏 👍 😍 Thank You.
Gems..... especially this one. 💎
Wonderful insights !!!!
i am so grateful for you chris 🙏
Great discussion, I'm still learning so I appreciate it. Quick question, how is the moon affected by being under the beams of the sun? Especially with it being the other illuminary
A client of mine is Taurus rising sun Libra night chart. As a child when his progressed sun ingressed into Scorpio from his sixth house, the moon trines his natal Saturn and sextiled Mars he had a horrible accident and lost complete vision in both of his eyes. There were also transits to his Natal North Node and it was in Eclipse season June 1966.
Sun in the 1st house along with Jupiter and Mercury, Aqua Stellium + Rising
i have aries rising (14 degree) and aries sun (12 degree), just opened this video, excited to watch
Sooo insightful!!!
love treetrunks sharing her deep astrological knowledge, very in character
My sun conjunct my saturn in Aries and I have very bad relationship with my father. Although now we are getting along, I still don’t want to have anything to do with him.
Omg i really am in love with this talk, everything i am studying now and a new yet traditional looks that i haven't yet thought about it. I'll definitely get her new book!!! Please Chris more interview like this.
Very interesting! When will the second volume of Demeter George's book be released?
in some weeks
Thank you!
As an Aquarius Sun native I picture the opposition between Leo and Aquarius as this: Leo views the group from the position of the self and sees himself as a special individual among a bunch of individuals that make up the group, whereas Aquarius views the self from the position of the group and sees himself as a special cog among a bunch of other cogs the make up the machine.
Leo’s care about the most important people in their life. They stand out because of radiance, Aquarius is the opposite people for being different , that don’t jump to emotions easily. They are often called aloof, but leadership well coordinated they are with everyone.
@@fuchsiadreamer5946 No, Aquarians are not at all detached from reality. Ruled by Saturn Aquarians see reality as it actually is, and understands the structure under which society operates. Aquarians may seem emotionless to you but what you are actually seeing is objectivity.
@@M0ebius it’s the truth because I’ve studied celebrities and people. Very stubborn, cold, but observant and smart. They are too introverted. They often hold on to to many grudges slowing them down, but when they let go, they become an unstoppable bird flying to be FREE and helpful
@@fuchsiadreamer5946 You are way off IMO. Aquarius is easily the most humanitarian sign, as it is opposite Leo who is most concerned about the self. They are also naturally free because unlike they are an air sign, and while Saturn represents structure, Aquarians exist outside that structure and seek to push it and mold it into something new. Aquarians stand out simply by being themselves and doing things their way, which is also why Aquarians are often known as genius when expressed fully.
You can easily see this from if you look at Aquarian celebrities and historic figures - Michael Jordan, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneris, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Galileo, Copernicus, Thomas Edison, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown, Shakira, Mozart, Bob Marley, Jackie Robinson, FDR… etc etc.
@@fuchsiadreamer5946 Michael Jordan doesn’t care enough and isn’t driven enough? People aren’t draw to him? Bill Russell? Wayne Gretzki? Babe Ruth? Jim Brown? Those are virtually the greatest and most popular athletes in their respective sports.
Oprah and Ellen DeGeneris heartless and aren’t warm? Aren’t expressive enough? People aren’t draw to them?
I think you’re way off.
My sun is in the 6th house and my dad has a lot of health issues. Plus my saturn is depressed in Aries, stationary direct, which also describes my father well. Being debilitated but present.
Love this
Thank you for this 🙏🏻🙏🏻
So potent. WOW! Genius!
The sun in my chart profects this year. This helped a lot. I'm going to listen again, missed some things. My sun is in a cancer stellium, next degree is uranus, 15 degrees venus; all in the 8th house. Ruled by my 1st house sag moon. All the planets are direct, but about six months ago, jupiter went retrograde by progression in the 4th house. I'm about to sell my home; wish me luck! Thanks for all the info!
Thank you. Amazing. Leo ♌️ sun ☀️ 🙏
i notice in two charts where the sun is conjunct ketu/south node and the will power is weak, maybe for its distant qualities, also both in 4th house
Do you have a list of your podcasts - I am sure I once noticed a podcast on T-squares, but can't find it now. Thanks for these.
a wow. demetra and I share the same degree of acendant. wow.