10 years will be the start of 14th edition, we should have 2 or 3 more primarchs come back in model form, the imperium is still in the worst situation imaginable but somehow still taking planets back, chaos is still being lead by abbadon the harmless, all the story lines they spin up will not be concluded, and women can be space marines. Tournament players will have 4 apps that the organizers will require them to have on their phones, 3 decks of cards and somehow a officialy liscenced coin will be released to determine first turn. Casual players will have moved on to less mentally taxing games with gw models while spending $100 on 5 plastic miniatures. This will be justified by having a single marine consist of 50 pieces across 2 sprues that still come out monopose. They will have a show they release on amazon that will have huge viewership for season one then the subsequent seasons will fall off. They will change some core tenants of 40k to make it sanitized for wider audiences, grey beards wont like it but you will be able to buy servo skull plushies at target for $29.99 Meanwhile I will be printing my own minis, nostalgic for the 40k that used to be.
Not to forget the 50 part marine will be upscaled to 100mm invalidating the current primaris range and primarchs. The new Ghazkull will be 5 feet tall, new combat buckets will be released to enable players to roll the several hundred dice required for a single combat. The Striking Scorpion Phoenix lord will still be in white metal.
And every time a new mini comes out they're immediately sold out so TikTok'ers can give them a rainbow gradient spray job and get featured on Warhammer+ Community Painter Highlights show.
Killteam may just cease to exist. Considering the state of most of the teams now, the only power armored sister is the lead of the novitiates and nids have been reduced to just GSC.
After hearing a competitive player go on about the tournament board layouts and lanes I've realized they are the League of Legends players of the hobby.
I completely tuned out competitive/tourney play and settled for playing with a small group specificly because of these people. I don't need to be tested on every meticulous detail of the rules and terrain when I'm on wind down time.
▶️ 1:08:08 Macc couldn't be more right 👍: Once 🔂 you start down the Path that Astartes are the unadulterated*_"Heroes"*_ of the setting; you've already lost the Plot of what 💥 Warhammer 🔨 actually is at it fetid roots: *😞 GRIM 🌑 DARK😞*
There's a number of factors keeping people tethered to the GW green milk. To many laypeople, 3d printing for themselves is scary. A big up-front investment, time commitment to learn, having appropriate facilities and the fear of ir being wasted. Better to spend less at a time on overpriced boxes. Others have ordered, or heard of orders, where the quality of the product is poor and they don't have faith - at least with GW they have that "brand reassurance" of a certain level of quality. Others know they can't use printed models at stores/clubs/tournaments. Others, who are new to the hobby or not really part of any community don't even know it's an option. They go to GW, buy their bits, go home and paint, repeat. Buying a kit from GW is convenient, like pre-grated cheese (i still don't know how that sells).
As somebody who printed their own 40k army, which was my first army, my biggest issue is the resin. It's heavier, you have to use superglue, it's messy, takes a ton of time to print, and at the end of the day, plastic is simply better.
@chacemartin9803 huh heavier? No it's not it's almost as light. I have tons of tanks big huge tanks they are not heavy at all and like anything else some glue and a little pressure and it's solid.
IMO, 40k has is enjoying it's peak in popularity but I think we are going over the hill. It's at the point where I see franchises fall from grace for one reason or another. It reminds me of the days when everyone played WOW and now I know no one who does. I think 40k may see something similar. I'm not saying it will die out but I think people will slowly start to forget about it
At this point I think GW will move more and more into the "we make lore and display miniatures that you can play with". If you look at newer models, especially the Tyranid HQs, these aren't things you plop on a table, these are things you keep in a display cabinet.
Im still using metal aspect warriors from the early 2000s in my eldar army. I will definitely be getting at least some of the new aspect warrior models. I recently replaced my banshees, and i love their minis.
The worst danger of 3D printing is the fact that the 20% of customers who are 80% of revenue are disproportionately the types to jump to 3D priting or printing services, while the bottom 80% who make up 20% of revenue are the types to leave from the price hikes.
I enjoyed that, I wouldn't worry too much about 'production quality', a chat with everybody shooting from the hip works. It's perfect for listening to when hobbying, I was working on some support files in Lychee with the video on in the background.
I just get an ick from non-official designs. They aren’t bad, they’re often great, I just want OFFICIAL designs. I’m interested in the IP specifically, not fan works.
30:19 but also, the “balance” of the army tends to be balancing the army so that the single army list with little variety remains balanced. They don’t go out to balance the whole codex and make multiple lists truly viable. They balance them so the most min-maxed list in each codex is equal the m-m list in another
40:44 god that would be so cool to be able to buy old f15s and then get to fly them. I couldn’t fit into the simulator for them back when I was a teenager (too tall for the seat)
I paid peanuts for two sets of 3D printed 'Valhallans' recently. The models are really good, they pass for Valhallans perfectly without stepping over the copyright line and they're arguably better than the 1994 metal Valhallans. But I still went back to the metal originals because I'm a sucker for the authenticity and for nostalgia. I pay way more than GW prices for them too, even a badly painted original lasgun trooper costs almost £10. I can't explain it.
34:36 yeah my buddy has mostly third party aspect warriors because he got tired of GeeDub not releasing warp spiders or swooping hawks and third party Phoenix lords and even tanks. He has more third party stuff than he has GeeDub stuff, they lost him a long time ago.
The year is 2032. A 10-man Intercessor team costs a cheap $200 fresh out of the box. GW has now unveiled the ability to purchase them through Financing with a Payment Plan.
Hopefully dead and gone. One great thing about playing dead games is only people that really love it for what it is bother to play. Gets rid of all the riff-raff. :p
I don't think it will be dead. People underestimate companies like Blackrock and the likes. People said the same about star wars, it's dead,but it's still going,from a certain point of view.These companies will keep funding these companies out of spite,and to reap all the money,so they can keep financing all the subversion everywhere else.
The thing is, Games Workshops longlivity depends on the survival of its flagship IPs continued popularity. Like Looney Tunes once did, 40k is experiencing its popular phase, but like Looney Tunes that phase will dwindle and end. 3D modeling and printing is a good alernative for TT Wargaming, but because GW has a monopoly over its IP, it will never be a replacment for that franchise. Its why recasting its also as talked about as 3D printing. Like a knock-off gucci handbag, the customers will gladly pay a cheaper price for a closely resembling product. In order to save the soul of the Hobby part of 40k, its up to the job of your local groups to create narratives and rules for those narratives that best resemble the fluff of the Grim Darkness.
Honestly dont see it. The future of warhammer 40k that is. I actually dont see how GW goes to 2035. Record profits always seem to look great, but if your customer retention numbers arent there especially in a niche hobby like 40k it will go south. Getting people on the bandwagon shortterm seems great, but if you fail to retain them in the long term which we are already seeing with the player drop off numbers between 8th and 10th edition your company will not survive. The price hikes have also completely and totally priced out the majority of any potential players as well, as sane people look at a box of aggressors, see that 80 price tag and say no. Then they go go Gundam or similar model hobby, see that 15 to 20 dollar price tag, and begin buying there.
I think the comments about it isn't actually 40k (or the comment was similar anyway) is really true. I love the lore of my deathwatch and like playing them. I don't want to 3d print space marines that don't look like space marines like so many of the stls I've seen are like. I can find bits sure like stls for weapons or Mk VII helmets etc but never anything that looks exactly or almost exactly like a space marine. Additionally if it wasn't for buying these models I probably would be spending far less at my lgs to support them for providing the gaming space and terrain etc for me to play
I’m not even a GK player and I feel the dread for upscaled GK. GW fills out the sprue with needless parts to give you the sense of quantity but then you realise there is now so much less per box
The question is whether they can produce 10 times more. Halving the price does fuck-all if everything is constantly sold out. They should have spent their boom in revenue on expanding and ramping up production in stead of making a damned streaming service, then they could have lowered their prices by maybe 20%.
1:13:24 do you think that HH humanised Astartes to much? The HH was great for character development in many places (and trash in others). But did it go too far and make SMs just feel like humans but better?
Plastic > resin. Resin models break more easily, and you can't use plastic glue on them. I switched to GW plastic after printing my own army simply because the materials that GW use are superior in almost every way.
I agree. If I could get plastic minis from 3rd parties easily, I would totally go for it. I've tried to use some 3d printed minis that were rated very highly, and they just break so easily compared to my plastic minis. I also hate using super glue.
There are trade-offs to both. Also depends on the resin, there are resins which are as elastic as a basketball. Tenacious ones for example, or nylon-like can be very resilient. BUUUUUUT trade offs in other ways. Personal preference is king here.
@@Goober2289 The problem with resin is there are great resins for miniatures but they cost more so most people printing for sale don't use them. It's a shame as printed minis can approach the durability of plastic.
For me personally I see some models that are 3rd party and damn they look good but I do forget GW models as there is a degree of quality control but I’m not opposed to getting 3rd party character proxies with the new phoenix lord reveals and now karandras is bat to get the major minis space elf scorpion lord would be a good proxy I don’t mind proxying a whole army but it’s not for me
If GW sold files they’d be in the printing market. My friend says resolution is the issue. GW doesn’t want low res prints of their models. I think resolution is only going to improve over time so that will be less of an issue. I also heard that GW doesn’t want to be sued over health issues from printing. I think that’s a flimsy argument. GW is so litigation happy they should already have a defense for printing making people sick. The game systems need MASSIVE fixes. Fun games that are equally rewarding no matter what faction is MOST appealing to you generally ARE BETTER. The heavy metal attitude of Warhammer needs to return. The game was initially promoted by an EXTREME METAL BAND. Make Warhammer metal again!!
I would counter Norths point on people staying loyal to the brand only with, the stigma of having 3d prints is going away. Infact i have seen more and more 3d units showing up in the community. including with the tournament players. I think gw has about 20 years left. i imagine the minuatures will fade in the next decade. i started buying the minatures in the late 80s for Dungeons and dragons. then i learned fantasy battles was a game and not an alternative. I got into seconded editions shortly after it was released and love it ever since. However now with 70K in eldar, gw and fw models, i rather 3d printed models. but i will get a unit of the models so i have them. but I am beginning to even question the need for that. justifying the spending on this instead of other things is getting harder. I enjoy painting models. but i have found painting 3d models to me more fun these days. I had a 1000 man chapter for my first born. All 10 companies. and will never buy another space marine outside of the new edition starter box. and then ill go in with someone who wants the marines.
I can see the appeal and necessity to show Space Marines as "bigger than life" things, doing their stuff, while normal humans have to deal and experience the situation. Especially if you need to introduce the concept to new people, who don't understand or appreciate the concept, yet. However, lets not lie to ourselves, we want to see space marines. What we don't want is to see a poorly made representation of them and you do that with good writing and world-building, especially when you want to show how powerfull a thing like a Space Marine is and how, even in their universe, they're still weak.
GW used to be a rules and games company, then it became a models company. Now it's increasingly becoming an IP company. In summary: their business is currently built on the margins from plastic kits. The threat from 3D printing isn't that In ten years everyone will be 3D printing and no one buying plastic kits. The REAL threat is that the plastic kits have an anchor operating on their price moving forward (In a sense a market rate at what a model SHOULD cost). Wizards of the coast overcome this using scarcity (because they are ultimately just cardboard). The community is moving away from previous anchors such as 'it's a lot of plastic' or 'it's what it costs to make the best models in the world'. The new anchors to justify the price of buying models will be 'in game' scarcity i.e A model similar to magic the gathering where special characters and 'rare' models and more highly priced. IP will continue to be rigidly controlled and models will increasingly come 'out of date' replaced with new ones. the competitive tournament scene will likely grow wider and more accessible as this creates value for the new price anchors (you can't bring fake models). We may even see things like unit cards accompanying unit choices with things like authenticity holograms that are difficult to fake that come with the model kits. GW is also moving heavily towards 'characters' bit by bit for this reason. I left 40k in 2001 and moved into speciality games as I was annoyed about the 'new' models coming in and being given rules that break the balance of the game, just to incentivise sales. The game design is also really poor. However. What makes GW and 40k awesome is that it is essentially the British Museum of the wargaming hobby. i.e it's stolen EVERYTHING and appropriated it all into one game that creates a sizable playerbase. The biggest problem for miniature wargamers isn't rules or model prices it is community and finding games and GW solves this. The value of 40k is that it is a monopoly. Moving forward GW will become IP based. Their sales will be from film, TV, licensing rights, and the space marine aesthetic (their only truly original IP). We will see a market fragmentation, where it's increasingly difficult to create a profitable game that funds art and model design with a huge rise in model agnostic games. With hobbyists now moving into a bunch of other games finding a sizeable playerbase will be an issue outside of major cities.. For the UK this might be not be an issue, but in America, this will be a problem and this is where GW is likely to continue to keep their business. The cost of models sucks, but the big sunk cost in preparing models is time, not what material it's made from. THE barrier to entering the hobby isn't monetary cost, but having a sizable local playerbase (the two ARE linked though) Once you have this playerbase, having the time to build them is next, and then cost of the models is at third by a HUGE margin. GWs monopoly removes the biggest three of these barriers (but they've been getting worse at doing this since banning games in store etc). Yes, 3D printing brings down the cost of models, but the it does nothing to address the first two of these hurdles. As a result I think 3D printing is definitely hastening the decline of GW from a massive monopoly model company into an IP franchise. Will this be good? maybe? ultimately the internet and social media is a far bigger shift in the hobby as it removes friction to creating a playerbase, and removes the friction in creating and preparing models. Social media and high bandwidth internet are doing FAR more to 'kill' GW than 3D printing.
@@TempoLOOKING Ah sorry my mistake. You don't have GW stores so you can't have GW in the US. For context GW have a game called 40k which is quite popular in the UK. You'll get it in America soon I guess.
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GW forgot tthe imperium are not the good guys. Also. Admittedly i am a bit of a boring person but, honestly I don't think Warhammer is a really an expensive hobby. I am an average person with a normal job a house and a kid to pay for. Yes it could be an expensive hobby, if I put a lot of money into it, but that is like anything. Eg. Golf. How much does it cost for a good set of clubs, balls, bags, gear, and the clothing? £500? £1000 minimum? Plus how much do you spend every time you go out and play? For the session, carts, the beer and food. Then people play consol games, have subscriptions, go cinema, go to the pub, go dining etc on top of that. Compare that to me spending £150 on a box set, paints, glue, cutting tools and rules. Them maybe £30-50 average month or two on some minis and having a few drinks at home while I paint. Overall I have probably spent about 1500 on warhammer over the past 25years. I don't think that is to bad at all. I take my time and enjoy it. There is no reason to go mental and buy everything at once or paint everything in one go. It's a hobby, treat it as such.
@Daisyandtheo everything is relative, and we are talking about a setting where nearly every faction is morally worse than the Imperium of Man. Even the Craftworld Aeldari cede the moral highground to the Imperium as soon as they themselves admit that their species is hopelessly doomed beyond any shadow of a doubt, because that means everything they do, they do not for their own survival, but solely to drag everyone else down with them in an unending cloud of backstabbing Tzeenchian shitfuckery.
Concerning the 3D printing VS official plastic discussion, I'm convinced the absolute biggest reason most people avoid 3D printing at home is simply because it's perceived to be much more complicated and difficult. Edit: Also as a person who do not collect Custodes, does not care about Custodes that much, I'm absolutely in favor of femstodes simply because I think that could yield some insanely cool models. Of all the HH books I've read, Custodes are always insufferable so there's no love lost there for retconned lore.
@@wolvie90 it certainly is. I work in a technical field (I'm a software dev) so it's not like I'm a luddite. I look at the learning curve for this and order prints from someone else. Could I get it with time and effort? Sure. Am I willing / able to put that time and effort in? Absolutely not. At least I keep other people in business! 😄
@@Daemonik it's not that hard, you have filament printers for larger things like tanks and terrain, and resin for minis. You just need to know the process. You get the files, slice the pieces you want in the computer, adding supports where needed. You then take that file, load it on a USB stick and put it in your printer, load up your resin tray with resin, let the machine do its thing. Once done, let the parts dry for abit, then put your parts in the alcohol bath section of the curing rig, leave it be for 3 to 4 minutes, take your parts out, let them dry for abit, then set the curing rig to cure mode, place the pieces on a tray and let them cure for 3 minutes or so, take em out and you can start removing the supports carefully and start assembly. Takes abit longer than just buying the figures, but honestly unbeatable in terms of creating a massive army at a more affordable price point. I have everything from official GW figures, to 3rd party figures, to resin figures, they all are very nice once painted, hard to tell the difference.
@@canadiancombatwombatthe3rd782 Yeah I get what you mean - it's just the entire taking those words and making them a reality in practice. For me, I don't have the time or motivation to learn the process. Terms such as "slice the pieces you want in the computer, adding supports where needed" doesn't mean a thing to me because I know nothing about the process. I just like the toys that the process creates and I'm happy to pay someone else to deal with making them and sending them to me. I can just go "oo pretty" _click_ when I see something I like and then play with my dog until my new toys arrive in the mail 😄
@@Daemonik Thing is, I think the perceived difficulty is overblown. I say this as someone who's never messed with it but I do know MOST people invested in this hobby are fairly clever clogs who can easily learn it if they wanted to and they thought they could. I think the main problem is the perceived barrier of entry is too large in people's mind, both economically and technically, so they'll happily spend thousands of dollars on GW plastic instead. One in my D&D group got into 3D printing early on (say 4 years ago ish? pandemic times) and he says basically "yeah it's a barrier to entry, but it's not hard". I think most hobbyists just think (subconsciously) that barrier is insurmountable. Edit: This all assumes you procure complete STL files from reputable sources (leave that to your distinction), I do NOT expect you to learn Blender or Zbrush and make your own fancy models from scratch.
@@wolvie90Honestly my main barrier of entry is the time element, rather than complexity - although of course complexity adds to time requirements. Time is my single most precious currency. When most weeks I have zero hobby time, and over a month I might manage 0-6 hours, I would much rather spend that time playing or painting. That's my personal circumstance though, and I recognise that many hobbyists have more time to devote, so personal printing is more of an option. For me, it's much more realistic to recognise that I don't have the time to put in to learn it and do it, and just order my prints from someone who does 😊
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10 years will be the start of 14th edition, we should have 2 or 3 more primarchs come back in model form, the imperium is still in the worst situation imaginable but somehow still taking planets back, chaos is still being lead by abbadon the harmless, all the story lines they spin up will not be concluded, and women can be space marines.
Tournament players will have 4 apps that the organizers will require them to have on their phones, 3 decks of cards and somehow a officialy liscenced coin will be released to determine first turn. Casual players will have moved on to less mentally taxing games with gw models while spending $100 on 5 plastic miniatures. This will be justified by having a single marine consist of 50 pieces across 2 sprues that still come out monopose.
They will have a show they release on amazon that will have huge viewership for season one then the subsequent seasons will fall off. They will change some core tenants of 40k to make it sanitized for wider audiences, grey beards wont like it but you will be able to buy servo skull plushies at target for $29.99
Meanwhile I will be printing my own minis, nostalgic for the 40k that used to be.
Not to forget the 50 part marine will be upscaled to 100mm invalidating the current primaris range and primarchs. The new Ghazkull will be 5 feet tall, new combat buckets will be released to enable players to roll the several hundred dice required for a single combat. The Striking Scorpion Phoenix lord will still be in white metal.
And every time a new mini comes out they're immediately sold out so TikTok'ers can give them a rainbow gradient spray job and get featured on Warhammer+ Community Painter Highlights show.
Killteam may just cease to exist. Considering the state of most of the teams now, the only power armored sister is the lead of the novitiates and nids have been reduced to just GSC.
Don’t jinx it like that
After hearing a competitive player go on about the tournament board layouts and lanes I've realized they are the League of Legends players of the hobby.
I completely tuned out competitive/tourney play and settled for playing with a small group specificly because of these people.
I don't need to be tested on every meticulous detail of the rules and terrain when I'm on wind down time.
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Once 🔂 you start down the Path that Astartes are the unadulterated*_"Heroes"*_ of the setting; you've already lost the Plot of what 💥 Warhammer 🔨 actually is at it fetid roots:
*😞 GRIM 🌑 DARK😞*
Hell yeah! Narrative play or nothing.
Looks like maybe Gamza could come back.
A lot GW staff moved to league of legends
I've just built a unit of dark elf spearmen, ten years old kit. Four parts per model, had ten built and based in an evening. Perfect.
They got rid of "slavery" when they took out Dark Eldar taking slaves during gameplay in their 5th edition codex.
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Credit 💳 where Credit is *_Due._*
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There's a number of factors keeping people tethered to the GW green milk. To many laypeople, 3d printing for themselves is scary. A big up-front investment, time commitment to learn, having appropriate facilities and the fear of ir being wasted. Better to spend less at a time on overpriced boxes. Others have ordered, or heard of orders, where the quality of the product is poor and they don't have faith - at least with GW they have that "brand reassurance" of a certain level of quality. Others know they can't use printed models at stores/clubs/tournaments. Others, who are new to the hobby or not really part of any community don't even know it's an option. They go to GW, buy their bits, go home and paint, repeat. Buying a kit from GW is convenient, like pre-grated cheese (i still don't know how that sells).
As somebody who printed their own 40k army, which was my first army, my biggest issue is the resin. It's heavier, you have to use superglue, it's messy, takes a ton of time to print, and at the end of the day, plastic is simply better.
@chacemartin9803 huh heavier? No it's not it's almost as light. I have tons of tanks big huge tanks they are not heavy at all and like anything else some glue and a little pressure and it's solid.
Resin saves me tons of time clipping sprues.
@@ajirawa5729half the time you can print already assembled miniatures, no building is great for me ha.
Fun chat! Would do again/10.🔥
Good hearing you. Bookmarked your channel for later investigation 🤘
I enjoy these collab discussion/rants. Whatthe40k was a welcome addition to hear from.
We are basically aiming to do a podcast style round table every few weeks with a whole host of topics rotating through each of our channels.
@@TheOuterCircleCheeky way to get us all to sub to everyone involved - I see what you're doing there! 😜
@@Daemonik yup!
IMO, 40k has is enjoying it's peak in popularity but I think we are going over the hill. It's at the point where I see franchises fall from grace for one reason or another. It reminds me of the days when everyone played WOW and now I know no one who does. I think 40k may see something similar. I'm not saying it will die out but I think people will slowly start to forget about it
At this point I think GW will move more and more into the "we make lore and display miniatures that you can play with". If you look at newer models, especially the Tyranid HQs, these aren't things you plop on a table, these are things you keep in a display cabinet.
Im still using metal aspect warriors from the early 2000s in my eldar army. I will definitely be getting at least some of the new aspect warrior models. I recently replaced my banshees, and i love their minis.
Bubblegum Crisis was awesome!
The worst danger of 3D printing is the fact that the 20% of customers who are 80% of revenue are disproportionately the types to jump to 3D priting or printing services, while the bottom 80% who make up 20% of revenue are the types to leave from the price hikes.
I enjoyed that, I wouldn't worry too much about 'production quality', a chat with everybody shooting from the hip works. It's perfect for listening to when hobbying, I was working on some support files in Lychee with the video on in the background.
I just get an ick from non-official designs.
They aren’t bad, they’re often great, I just want OFFICIAL designs. I’m interested in the IP specifically, not fan works.
Im invested in warhammer, not non official design, third party designs are nice but i came for warhammer ip nothing else really.
30:19 but also, the “balance” of the army tends to be balancing the army so that the single army list with little variety remains balanced. They don’t go out to balance the whole codex and make multiple lists truly viable. They balance them so the most min-maxed list in each codex is equal the m-m list in another
40:44 god that would be so cool to be able to buy old f15s and then get to fly them.
I couldn’t fit into the simulator for them back when I was a teenager (too tall for the seat)
I paid peanuts for two sets of 3D printed 'Valhallans' recently. The models are really good, they pass for Valhallans perfectly without stepping over the copyright line and they're arguably better than the 1994 metal Valhallans. But I still went back to the metal originals because I'm a sucker for the authenticity and for nostalgia. I pay way more than GW prices for them too, even a badly painted original lasgun trooper costs almost £10.
I can't explain it.
Good evening Heretics.
34:36 yeah my buddy has mostly third party aspect warriors because he got tired of GeeDub not releasing warp spiders or swooping hawks and third party Phoenix lords and even tanks. He has more third party stuff than he has GeeDub stuff, they lost him a long time ago.
The year is 2032. A 10-man Intercessor team costs a cheap $200 fresh out of the box. GW has now unveiled the ability to purchase them through Financing with a Payment Plan.
Hopefully dead and gone. One great thing about playing dead games is only people that really love it for what it is bother to play. Gets rid of all the riff-raff. :p
I don't think it will be dead. People underestimate companies like Blackrock and the likes. People said the same about star wars, it's dead,but it's still going,from a certain point of view.These companies will keep funding these companies out of spite,and to reap all the money,so they can keep financing all the subversion everywhere else.
The thing is, Games Workshops longlivity depends on the survival of its flagship IPs continued popularity.
Like Looney Tunes once did, 40k is experiencing its popular phase, but like Looney Tunes that phase will dwindle and end.
3D modeling and printing is a good alernative for TT Wargaming, but because GW has a monopoly over its IP, it will never be a replacment for that franchise.
Its why recasting its also as talked about as 3D printing. Like a knock-off gucci handbag, the customers will gladly pay a cheaper price for a closely resembling product.
In order to save the soul of the Hobby part of 40k, its up to the job of your local groups to create narratives and rules for those narratives that best resemble the fluff of the Grim Darkness.
Honestly dont see it. The future of warhammer 40k that is. I actually dont see how GW goes to 2035. Record profits always seem to look great, but if your customer retention numbers arent there especially in a niche hobby like 40k it will go south. Getting people on the bandwagon shortterm seems great, but if you fail to retain them in the long term which we are already seeing with the player drop off numbers between 8th and 10th edition your company will not survive. The price hikes have also completely and totally priced out the majority of any potential players as well, as sane people look at a box of aggressors, see that 80 price tag and say no. Then they go go Gundam or similar model hobby, see that 15 to 20 dollar price tag, and begin buying there.
I think the comments about it isn't actually 40k (or the comment was similar anyway) is really true. I love the lore of my deathwatch and like playing them. I don't want to 3d print space marines that don't look like space marines like so many of the stls I've seen are like. I can find bits sure like stls for weapons or Mk VII helmets etc but never anything that looks exactly or almost exactly like a space marine. Additionally if it wasn't for buying these models I probably would be spending far less at my lgs to support them for providing the gaming space and terrain etc for me to play
I’m not even a GK player and I feel the dread for upscaled GK.
GW fills out the sprue with needless parts to give you the sense of quantity but then you realise there is now so much less per box
They would half their prices they would sell 10x more but they wont. They'll keep it niche and barely follow the demand
The question is whether they can produce 10 times more.
Halving the price does fuck-all if everything is constantly sold out.
They should have spent their boom in revenue on expanding and ramping up production in stead of making a damned streaming service, then they could have lowered their prices by maybe 20%.
15:04 I kinda like the energy field but I don’t like the tacticool rock
1:13:24 do you think that HH humanised Astartes to much?
The HH was great for character development in many places (and trash in others). But did it go too far and make SMs just feel like humans but better?
Plastic > resin. Resin models break more easily, and you can't use plastic glue on them. I switched to GW plastic after printing my own army simply because the materials that GW use are superior in almost every way.
I agree. If I could get plastic minis from 3rd parties easily, I would totally go for it. I've tried to use some 3d printed minis that were rated very highly, and they just break so easily compared to my plastic minis. I also hate using super glue.
There are trade-offs to both. Also depends on the resin, there are resins which are as elastic as a basketball. Tenacious ones for example, or nylon-like can be very resilient. BUUUUUUT trade offs in other ways. Personal preference is king here.
@@Goober2289 The problem with resin is there are great resins for miniatures but they cost more so most people printing for sale don't use them. It's a shame as printed minis can approach the durability of plastic.
1:09:06 I sort of disagree. Custodes are more human than marines
For me personally I see some models that are 3rd party and damn they look good but I do forget GW models as there is a degree of quality control but I’m not opposed to getting 3rd party character proxies with the new phoenix lord reveals and now karandras is bat to get the major minis space elf scorpion lord would be a good proxy I don’t mind proxying a whole army but it’s not for me
If GW sold files they’d be in the printing market. My friend says resolution is the issue. GW doesn’t want low res prints of their models. I think resolution is only going to improve over time so that will be less of an issue. I also heard that GW doesn’t want to be sued over health issues from printing. I think that’s a flimsy argument. GW is so litigation happy they should already have a defense for printing making people sick.
The game systems need MASSIVE fixes. Fun games that are equally rewarding no matter what faction is MOST appealing to you generally ARE BETTER.
The heavy metal attitude of Warhammer needs to return. The game was initially promoted by an EXTREME METAL BAND. Make Warhammer metal again!!
Hi north please could you do me a favour and make a reading list video where you share all the Warhammer books you'd recommend
I would counter Norths point on people staying loyal to the brand only with, the stigma of having 3d prints is going away. Infact i have seen more and more 3d units showing up in the community. including with the tournament players.
I think gw has about 20 years left. i imagine the minuatures will fade in the next decade. i started buying the minatures in the late 80s for Dungeons and dragons. then i learned fantasy battles was a game and not an alternative. I got into seconded editions shortly after it was released and love it ever since. However now with 70K in eldar, gw and fw models, i rather 3d printed models. but i will get a unit of the models so i have them. but I am beginning to even question the need for that. justifying the spending on this instead of other things is getting harder. I enjoy painting models. but i have found painting 3d models to me more fun these days.
I had a 1000 man chapter for my first born. All 10 companies. and will never buy another space marine outside of the new edition starter box. and then ill go in with someone who wants the marines.
I can see the appeal and necessity to show Space Marines as "bigger than life" things, doing their stuff, while normal humans have to deal and experience the situation. Especially if you need to introduce the concept to new people, who don't understand or appreciate the concept, yet. However, lets not lie to ourselves, we want to see space marines. What we don't want is to see a poorly made representation of them and you do that with good writing and world-building, especially when you want to show how powerfull a thing like a Space Marine is and how, even in their universe, they're still weak.
Early decision is a it stuck in the now? Will the player wriggle ree in 10 years is what I would like to now.
Damn only 62 viewers? Think everyone is having dinner
Views tend to dip Thursday/Friday :) Tis normal
@@northernexile It was Thanksgiving in USA, which is a big social deal for most people. That'd explain why it's lower than normal.
Let’s see 10/3= 3.3 so 13th Edition? Which will obviously be the best edition of the game …
GW used to be a rules and games company, then it became a models company. Now it's increasingly becoming an IP company. In summary: their business is currently built on the margins from plastic kits. The threat from 3D printing isn't that In ten years everyone will be 3D printing and no one buying plastic kits. The REAL threat is that the plastic kits have an anchor operating on their price moving forward (In a sense a market rate at what a model SHOULD cost). Wizards of the coast overcome this using scarcity (because they are ultimately just cardboard). The community is moving away from previous anchors such as 'it's a lot of plastic' or 'it's what it costs to make the best models in the world'. The new anchors to justify the price of buying models will be 'in game' scarcity i.e A model similar to magic the gathering where special characters and 'rare' models and more highly priced. IP will continue to be rigidly controlled and models will increasingly come 'out of date' replaced with new ones. the competitive tournament scene will likely grow wider and more accessible as this creates value for the new price anchors (you can't bring fake models). We may even see things like unit cards accompanying unit choices with things like authenticity holograms that are difficult to fake that come with the model kits. GW is also moving heavily towards 'characters' bit by bit for this reason.
I left 40k in 2001 and moved into speciality games as I was annoyed about the 'new' models coming in and being given rules that break the balance of the game, just to incentivise sales. The game design is also really poor. However. What makes GW and 40k awesome is that it is essentially the British Museum of the wargaming hobby. i.e it's stolen EVERYTHING and appropriated it all into one game that creates a sizable playerbase. The biggest problem for miniature wargamers isn't rules or model prices it is community and finding games and GW solves this. The value of 40k is that it is a monopoly. Moving forward GW will become IP based. Their sales will be from film, TV, licensing rights, and the space marine aesthetic (their only truly original IP). We will see a market fragmentation, where it's increasingly difficult to create a profitable game that funds art and model design with a huge rise in model agnostic games. With hobbyists now moving into a bunch of other games finding a sizeable playerbase will be an issue outside of major cities.. For the UK this might be not be an issue, but in America, this will be a problem and this is where GW is likely to continue to keep their business.
The cost of models sucks, but the big sunk cost in preparing models is time, not what material it's made from. THE barrier to entering the hobby isn't monetary cost, but having a sizable local playerbase (the two ARE linked though) Once you have this playerbase, having the time to build them is next, and then cost of the models is at third by a HUGE margin. GWs monopoly removes the biggest three of these barriers (but they've been getting worse at doing this since banning games in store etc). Yes, 3D printing brings down the cost of models, but the it does nothing to address the first two of these hurdles.
As a result I think 3D printing is definitely hastening the decline of GW from a massive monopoly model company into an IP franchise. Will this be good? maybe? ultimately the internet and social media is a far bigger shift in the hobby as it removes friction to creating a playerbase, and removes the friction in creating and preparing models. Social media and high bandwidth internet are doing FAR more to 'kill' GW than 3D printing.
Your wrong. In the US we don't Have GW stores. They sound like GameStop level bad. Magic is played and sold.
@@TempoLOOKING Ah sorry my mistake. You don't have GW stores so you can't have GW in the US. For context GW have a game called 40k which is quite popular in the UK. You'll get it in America soon I guess.
@matthewlloyd2055 they are sold at BN mostly and some gsmestores. They have a few locations, but like the single goth girl most have never seen one.
My poor boy Coteaz
Dude the Warhammer show was canceled 2 months ago after Cavel pulled out. The show though
27:28 100% agree 🤝 great point.
This vid was so much fun
25:54 the rules now punish creativity imo
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Amazing what happened after this Chat with Mr Cavill, Amazon and GW. Maybe they listened to you blokes 😆😅
If Amazon slap their balls on the table and put Daemonculaba on Prime, I will kneel in front of my TV and praise Bezos.
trench crusade just keeps looking better and better
It's really not, but have fun with their Discord mods, I guess.
Nice try
Female astartes forced me begin printing
Primaris and the nerfing of the death guard that took me 2 years to paint almost pushed me over.
▶️ 1:08:08 Macc couldn't be more right 👍:
Once 🔂 you start down the Path that Astartes are the unadulterated*_"Heroes"*_ of the setting; you've already lost the Plot of what 💥 Warhammer 🔨 actually is at it fetid roots:
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▶️ 1:10:34. Nice *_Save_*_ there,_ North: Credit 💳 where Credit is *_Due._*
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GW forgot tthe imperium are not the good guys.
Also. Admittedly i am a bit of a boring person but, honestly I don't think Warhammer is a really an expensive hobby.
I am an average person with a normal job a house and a kid to pay for.
Yes it could be an expensive hobby, if I put a lot of money into it, but that is like anything.
Eg. Golf. How much does it cost for a good set of clubs, balls, bags, gear, and the clothing?
£500? £1000 minimum? Plus how much do you spend every time you go out and play? For the session, carts, the beer and food.
Then people play consol games, have subscriptions, go cinema, go to the pub, go dining etc on top of that.
Compare that to me spending £150 on a box set, paints, glue, cutting tools and rules.
Them maybe £30-50 average month or two on some minis and having a few drinks at home while I paint.
Overall I have probably spent about 1500 on warhammer over the past 25years.
I don't think that is to bad at all.
I take my time and enjoy it. There is no reason to go mental and buy everything at once or paint everything in one go. It's a hobby, treat it as such.
The Imperium are the good guys, but that doesn't mean they do no evil.
@@CordovanSplotchVT protagonists perhaps. But good guys no.
@Daisyandtheo everything is relative, and we are talking about a setting where nearly every faction is morally worse than the Imperium of Man.
Even the Craftworld Aeldari cede the moral highground to the Imperium as soon as they themselves admit that their species is hopelessly doomed beyond any shadow of a doubt, because that means everything they do, they do not for their own survival, but solely to drag everyone else down with them in an unending cloud of backstabbing Tzeenchian shitfuckery.
Concerning the 3D printing VS official plastic discussion, I'm convinced the absolute biggest reason most people avoid 3D printing at home is simply because it's perceived to be much more complicated and difficult.
Edit: Also as a person who do not collect Custodes, does not care about Custodes that much, I'm absolutely in favor of femstodes simply because I think that could yield some insanely cool models. Of all the HH books I've read, Custodes are always insufferable so there's no love lost there for retconned lore.
@@wolvie90 it certainly is. I work in a technical field (I'm a software dev) so it's not like I'm a luddite. I look at the learning curve for this and order prints from someone else. Could I get it with time and effort? Sure. Am I willing / able to put that time and effort in? Absolutely not. At least I keep other people in business! 😄
@@Daemonik it's not that hard, you have filament printers for larger things like tanks and terrain, and resin for minis. You just need to know the process. You get the files, slice the pieces you want in the computer, adding supports where needed. You then take that file, load it on a USB stick and put it in your printer, load up your resin tray with resin, let the machine do its thing. Once done, let the parts dry for abit, then put your parts in the alcohol bath section of the curing rig, leave it be for 3 to 4 minutes, take your parts out, let them dry for abit, then set the curing rig to cure mode, place the pieces on a tray and let them cure for 3 minutes or so, take em out and you can start removing the supports carefully and start assembly. Takes abit longer than just buying the figures, but honestly unbeatable in terms of creating a massive army at a more affordable price point. I have everything from official GW figures, to 3rd party figures, to resin figures, they all are very nice once painted, hard to tell the difference.
@@canadiancombatwombatthe3rd782 Yeah I get what you mean - it's just the entire taking those words and making them a reality in practice. For me, I don't have the time or motivation to learn the process. Terms such as "slice the pieces you want in the computer, adding supports where needed" doesn't mean a thing to me because I know nothing about the process. I just like the toys that the process creates and I'm happy to pay someone else to deal with making them and sending them to me. I can just go "oo pretty" _click_ when I see something I like and then play with my dog until my new toys arrive in the mail 😄
@@Daemonik Thing is, I think the perceived difficulty is overblown. I say this as someone who's never messed with it but I do know MOST people invested in this hobby are fairly clever clogs who can easily learn it if they wanted to and they thought they could.
I think the main problem is the perceived barrier of entry is too large in people's mind, both economically and technically, so they'll happily spend thousands of dollars on GW plastic instead.
One in my D&D group got into 3D printing early on (say 4 years ago ish? pandemic times) and he says basically "yeah it's a barrier to entry, but it's not hard". I think most hobbyists just think (subconsciously) that barrier is insurmountable.
Edit: This all assumes you procure complete STL files from reputable sources (leave that to your distinction), I do NOT expect you to learn Blender or Zbrush and make your own fancy models from scratch.
@@wolvie90Honestly my main barrier of entry is the time element, rather than complexity - although of course complexity adds to time requirements. Time is my single most precious currency. When most weeks I have zero hobby time, and over a month I might manage 0-6 hours, I would much rather spend that time playing or painting.
That's my personal circumstance though, and I recognise that many hobbyists have more time to devote, so personal printing is more of an option. For me, it's much more realistic to recognise that I don't have the time to put in to learn it and do it, and just order my prints from someone who does 😊