How Many Sacraments are There?
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What do Catholics, Lutheran, Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East and other denominations say are sacraments? This video says the answer.
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Some people say there are less than 7 Sacraments. This makes some people upset.
Some people are somewhat upset when some people say something.
Channel inside jokes? Yes please.
@@ReadyToHarvest I don't get the joke?
It makes Stannis Baratheon upset
@@LightKnight_Age_Of That's the point of an inside jokes. It's for the insiders to get
You got a thumbs up just for your proper straight faced pronunciation of the Vegetal church 😮
For the Eastern Orthodox, it's accurate. Although I have to add that indeed in school and at the Catechism of the Church, there is the numbering of the mysteries to help children to understand better.
Exetreme Unction is now called Anointing of the Sick.
The Episcopal church I go to has an "Order for Extreme Unction" on Wednesdays.
This church would be the kind mentioned in the video which would say there are seven sacraments and wouldn't even think to divide them in tiers.
Is anointing of the sick the same thing as the last rites for the dying thanks 🙏
@@joanndombrow4245 The old emphasis was only on the dying. Now, a person, who is having a surgery (for example), is able to receive the sacrament. This is at least in Roman Catholicism.
@@susanhernandez No such thing as Roman Catholicism. Its Catholicism
@@joanndombrow4245 "Anointing of the Sick and the Dying" is a Sacrament, and is only one part of the bigger service known as "Last Rites". Last Rites involve Confession, Anointing, the Eucharist (in this context called "Viaticum", Latin for "Bread you bring on your journey"), reading of Scripture and different prayers and blessings.
I always tell my students, Lutherans have 2,5 sacraments. They think it’s the funniest thing.😊
I really have to say that you never fail to produce quality videos and I can't remember ever watching one where I didn't learn something new. Well done.
In the Catholic Church, items become sacramentals once a priest blesses them. Once blessed, they cannot be sold or simply thrown away if they break. Typically, they have to be buried or burned. It's also important to note that the Catholic Church will bless almost anything as long as it doesn't go against the Magesterium.
Catholics are wierd, man.
There’s a blessing for beer. Because Catholics have to have a way to bless beer. Heard a priest give this blessing once at a theology on tap. Where we got together in college to hear a talk and drink a beer
@@owenfulkerson7291 Priest literally hava a book with blessing formulas for many different items. Of course we have a blessing for beer. Some of our religious brothers make it.
@@CaptainBill22 I know! Totally think it’s awesome too.
There’s a difference between sacraMENTS and sacraMENTALS
Outstanding description of the Eastern Orthodox view on sacraments
Nice work with the Portuguese! Lovely to hear.
Impressive!
Interesting to see how other churches count them. I always thought churches had either 2 or 7, sometimes 3. Very cool to see the variation.
Not really. Further divide in Christianity is not a good thing
@@chrisg0001 That's true. Not a fan of division, but I do like learning about other denominations.
@intergalactichumanempire9759 imo this is a good attitude to take.
John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, because no one who does a miracle in my name will be able soon afterward to say anything bad about me. For whoever is not against us is for us. For I tell you the truth, whoever gives you a cup of water because you bear Christ’s name will never lose his reward.
Mark 9:38 - 41 NET
These bodies you refer to are not churches. A regional "church" is headed by a bishop though apostolic succession. The many various Protestant sects are not churches.
@@TheDragonSeer Mark 9:38. Yes, we should recognise in those people who do not have the fullness of the Catholic Faith, those parts of the Catholic faith those people have retained.
The oriental orthodox have 7, which are
Priesthood
Baptism
Chrismation
Communion
Marriage
Unction of the sick
Confession
Josh just dropping that Portuguese in there like a boss....
Another complication in this question is when a denomination officially only has a set numer of sacraments, but treat some acts as though they were sacramental. In the Church of Sweden (a Lutheran church) there are only 2 sacraments, baptism and communion. There is a specific order for confession, albeit a seldom used one, but it is not considered a sacrament. With regards to holy orders however it is very much treated as a sacrament, which does makes sense for an apostolic church. The service where ordination happens just screams sacrament with its liturgical language, and people do generally regard it in the same ballpark as a sacrament. This leaves muddles the official stance somewhat.
Oh, and after-service fika (coffee and maybe a small pastry) is sometimes jokingly reffered to as "the third sacrament"
That's a joke I once heard at a congregation house ("bönhus" or "bedehus", my fellow Scandinavians know) : "We lov Holy Communion, but maybe the good Lord should have used coffee and pastries instead of bread and wine".
Thanks for the mention. Glad that some of my writing can be a resource!
Great job pronouncing Centro Esprita Beneficente Uniao Do Vegetal. You nailed it.
*watches this after confession and Mass, while wearing a brown scapular, holding a rosary, looking up at my icon of Jesus in His Passion, etc*
@@ronv7995 I'm sorry. Can you please clarify? What are you talking about?
I figured I’d bring popcorn to the comments for this one, but I guess I’m a little early yet.
Popcorn with extra butter be good!!!
I think there is another point in the Lutheran position about numbers. Melanchthon wrote in the Defense of the Augsburg Confession: “We hold that it should be maintained that the matters and ceremonies instituted in the Scriptures, whatever the number, be not neglected. Neither do we believe it to be of any consequence, though, for the purpose of teaching, different people reckon differently, provided they still preserve aright the matters handed down in Scripture. Neither have the ancients reckoned in the same manner”
Superb distillation of the myriad theological 'takes' on the biblical understanding of "sacraments". This should make for a truly fascinating comments section! Here's wishing you much peace and mercy for your day, Ready To Harvest.
Thete are also differences in what different groups believe should comprise the sacraments. I recently watched a video where an Evangelical described transubstantiation as heresy. I believe there may be major differences in belief about the other sacraments too
What in tarnation
Josh has lots of videos on this channel that go into differences in beliefs on what makes up each sacrament/ordinance. Transubstantiation of the bread and wine during the eucharist is viewed as incorrect (or even heresy) by many protestant groups. If you're curious about a particular denomination's views, I recommend looking through the other videos on this channel as you'll likely find what you're looking for :)
as for Lutherans: according to the Apologia of the Augsburg Confession in Article 13, further down in the text, it says "but if ordination is understood as ministry of the Word, we would call it sacrament, because the ministry of the Word is a commandment of God and full of promises" (Si autem ordo de ministerio verbi intelligatur, non gravatim vocaverimus ordinem sacramentum. Nam ministerium verbi habet mandatum Dei et habet magnificas promissiones). Named Bible passages: Romans 1:16 and Isaiah 55:11
But as said in the beginning of Article 13 of the same Apologia, the only true sacraments are Baptism, Eucharist and Absolution (vere igitur sunt sacramenta baptismus, coena Domini, absolutio quae est sacramentum poenitentiae). Also in the small catechism, there are the sacraments taught: Baptism, sacrament of the altar (Eucharist), and Confession (penance) as well as the office of keys (church authority / ministry within confession in accordance to Saint John 20:22-23)
The remaining 4 or 5 are considered rites in a Lutheran Church.
I had the sacramental rite of confirmation today.
Congratulations, that's a big step in faith.
congratulations!
I don't know about other "Lutheran" bodies, but LCMS churches practice general confession and absolution in the Divine Service, where there is a moment of silence for silent reflection and confession of sins and then the pastor forgives the congregations sins. Most churches also do practice private confession and absolution. Those who do not are out of line and not following the Lutheran Confessions which states “private absolution should be retained in the churches and not be allowed to fall into disuse”.
Putting “Lutheran” in quotes. 🙄 You don’t get to decide who’s a “real” Lutheran just because they’re more theologically moderate than the LCMS. You all are a MINORITY of American Lutherans, you hardly get to gatekeep.
#LloydDeJong has been doing videos and research on Luther. Quite controversial.
Many Lutherans regard confession and absolution, whether communal or private, as an ongoing application of the sacrament of baptism, rather than a separate sacrament.
NALC Lutheran here. The brief order of confession and forgiveness is part of our liturgy as well.
@@sarco64 Yes, that's true, and that's completely fine. Us Lutherans don't get hung up on the exact number of the sacraments because it changes based on how you define it. I just don't like how the video made it seem like most Lutheran don't practice confession and absolution anymore because many don't considered an individual sacrament in the same right as Baptism and Communion. In the LCMS, we hold confession and absolution in high regard and it is an import part of our liturgy and our theology.
Great topic! Very objective and informative.
I don't know how universal this is, but I'll tell you nonetheless. I grew up in a non-liturgical Protestant church. During the service (usually in the praise and worship portion following the sermon), they would set up a "prayer corner" in the back, where the pastor and a few trusted members of the congretation would sit. Each person would have an empty chair besides them. You sit down next to them, and ask him/her to pray for you. It could be for something specific, or more general. Then the pray-er would lay his/her hand on you, and pray. It was something solemn, and there was a certain confidentiality and trust involved. Later, they made a prayer room for this type of prayer.
It was not a Sacrament in a strict sense of the word, and they never understood it as that. But I can honestly say that these prayer experiences felt very "sacramental", looking back at it now. It was the commandment to pray for each other, formalised within the Protestant framework of the service.
Well done. You explained this well.
Paul mentioned women's head covering and communion as two ordinances, 1 Corinthians 11:2 (KJV) Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
I came across one of these Mid-Acts Dispensationalists online the other day, particularly on the question of Baptism. I had never heard of such a position before and it was fascinating to see it.
You speak clearly, with a good tone and intonation. English is my second language and i understand you very well so keep rhe good work!
Maybe one day you will make a videos about special bible published for one denomination like the NWT for the JW's or the Spirit-filled study bible for the Pentecostal churches😊 😊
Excellent content.
Thank you keep teaching stay strong
Thank you,Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹
7:28 the part i was looking for
Can you do a video on the Continuing Anglican movement? What unites the various bodies that are proponents of the movement? On what doctrines do they disagree?
And, how do they differ from Confessional Lutherans and the Lutheran confessions?
It's the same with the actual Anglican communion. 1. Liturgy based on the BCP and 2. Membership in a communion (Canterbury for Anglicans, and whatever the hell the continuing Anglicans have).
Neither are confessional traditions, they are both liturgical traditions. So it doesn't even matter what you believe to be a part of it. That is also the problem with the continuing Anglican movement. They want to be a confessional movement, but that would be a non-Anglican novelty for them to do that. Most of them are Anglo-Catholic, so they're not gonna hold up the 39 articles, which would attack the things they want most.
But anyway, from what I've seen, the major issue they're divided on is women's ordination.
You can tell what most continuing Anglicans believe by just picking whatever the opposite opinion of the church of england is. However, on that issue, some Anglicans never had a problem with that, and this causes drama when they enter the ACNA or the FCoE
I think altar calls, sharing the peace, and tithing/offerings have a quasi-sacramental role in the evangelical and non-denominational spheres, regardless of if they are on any lists of ordinances.
For Pentecostals, speaking in tongues can be said to be a sacrament. The sinner's prayer has a sacramental role in many evangelical churches.
Three: Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and coffee hour.
Hey, don’t meddle with my “fellowship”. 😄
God uses secondary causes to accomplish His will, but he does not need them to save us though He desires us to know him through them. We are physical beings so think of the sacraments as visible signs of invisible graces. Everything Jesus did in his life for us he still does today through the sacraments.
Baptism include God's Name. You wouldn't say the Name of Jesus Christ doesn't save.
@@ro6ti what are you trying to say?
Very interesting, thank you.
Wake up, babe, new ready to harvest vid just dropped
As an lcms lutheran I do consider absolution a sacrament. The bible doesn't teach you have to have an element for a sacrament. Honestly I even consider anointing of the sick and feet washing to be ordinances. Not on the same level as sacraments, but still biblical and should be practiced.
I don't have the source available, but I do remember reading somewhere that Luther, in his monastic days, theorised that faith itself was the "material" or "element" necessary for a vaild Confession. Which certainly is an interesting take. In his finished theological synthesis, faith is, after all, the ultimate and only medium or element through which saving grace flows.
I grew up lcms and in confirmation class was taught that the only two sacraments were baptism and communion.
@SandySalmansohn I guess it depends on the lcms member. I've seen some say 2 and some say 3. Someone told me it depends on who you ask. I personally believe 3.
Sacraments aren’t a strict category given in scripture. So we Lutherans define them in a certain way we chose. I lean heavily toward there being three. Even if it doesn’t strictly meet our self generated definition, it deserves to be so elevated.
So we might actually practice it once in a while.
#LloydDeJong has been doing videos and research on Luther. Quite controversial.
Most in the LCMS now include confession/absolution as a full sacrament... LCMS Pastors are trying to re-institute private individual confession, but it has been slow to make a resurgance...
4th Upload where I am asking for a video on the NALC.
It's interesting to note that it seems those who do not hold matrimony as a sacrament are also the ones who are schisming over same sex issues
Noticing how so many churches say Sacrament OR ordinance, Mormonism notably calls Communion simply The Sacrament and other rites Ordinances.
But still calls The Sacrament an ordinance. Not all rites are ordinances, blessing the sick is a rite/ceremony but is considered a Blessing not an ordinance. Consecrating graves, homes, oil and setting apart for callings are all also considered Blessings instead of ordinance. Then there is a question if proxy ordinances should be counted separately or not. No official number, but 7-12 depending on how one counts them mentioned in the Handbook of Instructions.
Among the LDS the numbering can be unclear, since there are live and proxy versions of most of the ordinances except communion (which is known simply as "the sacrament") and foot washing. So depending on if proxy are considered separate one could make the case for 7-12. The ones performed for both the living and by proxy are baptism, Gift of the Holy Ghost (confirmation), ordination, anointing, endowment, and Eternal Sealing (marriage). Blessings, either for the sick or general guidance and laying on of hand for the setting apart of callings are not considered ordinances, but are regular occurances.
Hello. Love your channel. I remember watching some videos of yours a few years ago in defense of the received text. Do you still have those? I can't find them on your channel.
All Lutheran churches perform private confession and absolution; the usual practice is to approach the pastor and schedule this. It is contained in all Lutheran liturgical books.
The Augsburg Confession basically goes on to say that we should be willing to not split hairs over "how many" sacraments there are, so long as a distinction is made between those things that have God's command and promise for the forgiveness of sins and those which do not.
As a Lutheran I would be willing to count confirmation and holy orders as sacraments if they are so counted based on the understanding that they are species of the preaching office, the preaching office sometimes being the "third Lutheran sacrament" rather than narrowly confession/absolution.
Community of Christ celebrates eight sacraments. Sacraments are special ministries given to the church to convey the grace of Jesus Christ to his followers and all those he yearns to touch with his compassion. Sacraments are baptism, confirmation, the Lord’s Supper, marriage, blessing of children, laying on of hands for the sick, ordination to the priesthood, and the evangelist blessing. In these ministries, God sanctifies common elements of creation to bless human life and to renew and form the church to seek the peaceful kingdom of God.
Thank you for this breakdown, very informative! I always assumed most Protestants considered Marriage to be a Sacrament like us Catholics. I was surprised that many do not. Might help explain why the secular redefinition of marriage in the US during the 21st century met with little resistance. For Catholics, changing the definition of Holy Matrimony is a big no-no.
I think most Protestants consider marriage as "instituted by God" but long before the new covenant and the creation of the Church, therefore not a sacrament as an act common to all believers as instituted or commanded by Christ. The secular redefinition of marriage is not in accordance with the historical and Biblical understanding of marriage and is therefore heretical in the sense that it is opposed to the divine order of creation (i.e., a big no-no). This trend to reflect the current culture has met with considerable resistance and is a substantial part of the reason for the recent split of various major Protestant denominations.
@@markalexander832 That makes a lot of sense! I really appreciate the explanation!
While those who defend Traditional, male + female, death-do-apart Marriage today are mostly Evangelicals, most of them don’t consider them sacramental, nor have requirements to married within their churches. The Catholic Church always has required it’s members to marry another member of the Church of the opposite sex (since Day 1!), who’s an unknown relative, in the ⛪️, before a priest and a male and female witness. Permission from the bishop was required to marry a non-Catholic, who doesn’t have to grant it, or charge millions of 💸 for the dispensation.
Interesting video it seems the Assyrian Church has no distinction between sacraments and sacramentals
The most impressive thing about this video is the pronunciation of Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao Do Vegetal.
Do you have a video on Anglo-Catholics and how they differ from Roman Catholics? Also what is the difference between Sandy Creek Baptists and Charleston Baptists?
There are seven sacraments.
Baptism
Confirmation
Eucharist
Confession and Reconciliation
Marriage
Holy Orders
Anointing of the Sick
Protestantism generally has two empty symbolic gestures that are devoid of all meaning.
Be honest with me, how many times did you practice saying that Portuguese phrase?
Many Lutherans, at least within the LCMS, do consider there to be 3 sacraments. Those who say there are 2 regard confession and absolution, whether communal or private, as an ongoing application of the sacrament of baptism - where we received forgiveness of sins. Confession and absolution are held in very high regard and are commonly done in the LCMS. We don't make a big deal about the exact number of sacraments as it changes based on how you define the word.
I’m Anglican, (episcopal church USA) and I hold the belief that there are 7. Not all anglicans hold this belief though.
So, a lot of Protestants (and even some Atheists) use a Catholic sacramental, the Nativity Scene. I saw "Camp Swatara" on a photo of the interior of a Brethren Church, so it must somewhere in Pennsylvania, relatively close to where I live.
I wasnt expecting União do Vegetal. LOL
7.
I’m neither Catholic or Orthodox but I do believe there’s seven ordinance
1) Confession of the Lord Jesus & Baptism 2) Receiving of the Holy Spirit 3) Partaking in Communion 4) Washing of the saints feet. The last three is for the church 5) Ordainment of leaders 6) Marriage Covenant 7) Anointing of Oil
The washing of the saints feet is one that I’m Surprised that not many churches practice
I found out that I'm really "plain" about this issue.
It's absolutely flabbergasting to me that people don't consider Matrimony to be a sacrament. Marriage and the closely related subject of sexual purity are a constant subject brought up throughout the Bible beginning in chapter 1.
I cant speak as to why for all people but many define sacrament as that which is instituted by God and conveys saving grace.
Marriage doesnt convey that grace. Marriage is not necessary to be saved.
@@dougmasters4561Marriage was instituted by God in Genesis. Since God created all things through Jesus, it can also be said to be instituted by Him. Jesus also said that what God has joined, let no man separate. Also, they are "one flesh." Ignoring reason for the moment which simply dictates that what God establishes, He also helps to sustain.... The Grace given by God in Matrimony is not "Saving grace," but grace given to support the bond of Marriage and grace to help in the raising of children.
@@dougmasters4561BTW, grace really just means an unearned gift.
@@Eye_of_a_Texan /shrug
I can only speak to how some of those people define it and thats how they define it.
@@dougmasters4561 It's literally the 2nd covenant in the Bible and the only one formed between humans. Not to mention that I don't know how these people plan to serve God's kingdom on Earth if they're married other than to raise up Godly children. If they don't think a saved person will be automatically concerned with growing the Kingdom... Again, I don't get it.
The modern Roman Catholic church identifies the 7 sacraments, as indicated, but it was not always so. Prior to Trent, the count was much vaguer. In reading the Tridentine documents, the count was settled at 7 based on the "because we say so" doctrine. The right for a council to change the count is retained. As a protestant, this was one of the biggest surprises I got in the sacramental theology class at a Roman Catholic seminary.
There were 7 sacraments before the Council of Trent: they were listed by the Second Council of Lyons in 1274, and the same list was repeated in the Acta of the Council of Florence in 1439. The Council of Trent made its own teaching that it did not originate. And FWIW, no Catholic teaching is based simply on an appeal to authority.
A number of other rites - such as the coronation of a ruler - were regarded as quasi-sacramental.
Rather, the Council simply proclaimed it then because it hadn't been a prominent question until then, when the Protestants started to depart from the historical concensus.
@@jamesmc04 1274 is still 220 years too late, is there any pre-schism evidence?
@@jdotoz That sounds better than the explanation I received decades ago and yet does not conflict with it either. I'm not going to dig into boxes in mini-storage to search for my academic notes from the time but the big emphasis I remember was the desire to not be in conflict with the writings of the past which enumerated things differently in quantity and in description. I seem to remember Augustine being a particular concern but it seems there were others as well. Nobody had cared until protestants began putting their own slant on the matter.
@@revjohnlee That's pretty much the history of every council and synod. The Church gives a general accepted teaching but has some leeway on it. Then a group or sect goes well off the beaten path to the point where its viewed as an error, and the Church has to fully define and correct that so there's no longer any ambiguity or vagueness for such an error to happen.
In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there are many ordinances, five of which are called "saving ordinances"
1. Baptism
2. Confirmation
3. Ordination to the Melchizedek Priesthood (for men)
4. Temple endowment
5. Marriage sealing
Perhaps confusingly, we do have an ordinance called "the sacrament" which is what other denominations call communion or the Lord's supper.
The full name of communion in the LDS church is the "Holy Sacrament of the Lord's Supper" however, calling it this went out of common use about 60-70 years ago.
We're talking about Christian churches.
@@haroldgamarra7175 you're rude as hell. You may not believe they're Christians but you should keep that to yourself. After all Jesus taught kindness.
Repent and come to Christianity
LSD is not a Christian Domination
10:30ish What about the militant wing of the salvation army?
Until recently, members of the local Salvation Army community would take communion in the Anglican church which we attend, they believing that their parish leaders were not qualified to celebrate that service. From memory, they did not hold the same opinion about baptism
The "Salvation Army Sacramental Model", a phrase I just coined, developed around the old state church system of the UK. You'd go to Salvation Army meetings as that was your church and Christian community, but you'd get married, get baptised and get buried in the Church of England, since "everyone" was a member and that was just what "everyone" did (even non-Christian, out of tradition).
Confirmation and Penance were instituted by Jesus?
Yeah, and rejected by Protestants.
Central Baptists and Eastern District Primitive Baptists from which we come, consider feet washing a part of the Lord's Supper, not a third ordinance.
It is amusing to note that the first person to enter paradise with Jesus - the criminal from Luke 23:43 - had ZERO sacraments. He was JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE.
If ayahuasca counts, what about cannabis for the Rastafari?
It's legal for the Native American Church to use peyote in their rituals in the USA, but as far as I can tell, Rastafaris can't legally smoke marijuana for religious purposes in America.
@@bigscarysteveSmoking marijuana is not a crime in most states.
@@ThePelagicHermit I thought that was only Oregon and Colorado.
@@bigscarysteve Fully legal in 23 states plus another 8 where it has been decriminalized.
Magic Mushrooms are legal in Colorado and decriminalized in Oregon.
Finally breaking free from conservative Christians legislating what plants I can consume. That pleases me.
@@ThePelagicHermit 23 states is not "most states."
7. The end.
I missed methodism :(
If sacraments impart divine grace, does that mean that I have to engage in certain acts in order to receive grace?
Meaning that grace isn't freely given, but is something earned?
Confused.
Divine Grace isn’t restricted to the Sacraments in the first place. Sacraments provide an opportunity to receive Divine Grace. By receiving a Sacrament, you are merely cooperating with God’s Grace by choosing to receive it. You haven’t earned anything. You have simply accepted the opportunity God has presented you with.
Seven last time I chequed.
Great info but JFC, an ad break every few minutes. Ads necessary for free videos but this overkill ruins the content and viewing experience
For some reason I thought that bread looked like a really overfilled burrito 😂
Seven. Always have been, always will be! :p
There are two, baptism and the sacrament of the Lord’s supper AKA communion.
I had no idea of what other faiths viewed and called "sacraments". I take the sacrament every week, bread and water blessed by preists for the remission of sins. I am guessing what others call the "the last supper"?
And what you say most other churches call sacraments, we call them ordinances.
#TheChurchofJsusChristofLatterDaySaints
Thank you for putting the correct list first. ✝️
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Not for nothin but i think Luther considered confession and absolution subsummed ( i think thats the right word ) under baptism. If spoken of as we are right now i dont think he would disagree as to how it is viewed sacramentally, he would just nitpick ( boy would he nitpick ) as to whether it was part of baptism itself.
The LCMS as far as I know still considers absolution a sacrament.
Communion, baptism, marriage
In the United Methodist tradition, there are 2 sacraments that must be performed by an elder, communion and baptism. So, if a congregation had only one ordained elder, only he or she can perform either sacrament. Ordained deacons are not allowed to perform either sacrament, without an elder.
Catholics are right on this one for sure. The funny thing is a lot of protestants think we need all 7 to get to heaven lol. Like all us need to be married bishops to make it lol. Ignorance is bliss and comical at the same time.
Protestants are such a broad group though
If you met Protestants who think you need all 7 to get to heaven, they are mistaken. Historical Protestant theology is the other way around - A sacrament should properly be something that gets you to heaven, therefore Baptism, Eucharist and possibly Absolution are proper sacraments. That might be the reason for the confusion.
@TheDragonSeer that's why I said a lot. If non denominationals were a denomination, they'd out number us catholics in the USA. I find the nondenoms to be just lower church baptists and many of them only recognize a few sacraments
Orthodox Church 7 sacraments too
"Religious practitioners ritually prepare the tea" literally me
2. There's just two. Some people try to say there's more. But they are wrong, and just need a little more love and compassion. 😜
Originally all Protestants said two! Those who deny sacraments should be categorized as something else, IMO.
I can’t find the word sacrament in the New Testament. Was that an Old Testament thing or have people invented things to help God make a point or two?
A sacrament is a sign instituted by Jesus Christ to give grace. The word Trinity is nowhere in the bible, and yet, that did not stop God from revealing the Trinity.
@@georgepierson4920 Thank you for that definition. Now I can sort of understand why different sects would argue over whether foot washing is or is not a sacrament. Things like baptism go all the way back to Moses leading the mixed multitude out of Egypt, so I can maybe understand baptism being a sign, like John the Baptist saying that Jesus would baptize all His followers with the Holy Spirit and with fire. I suppose that happened at Pentecost, so probably speaking in tongues that followed was a sacrament also. And I read where Jesus said certain signs would follow those who believe in Him, like speaking in tongues, healing the sick and (ugh) taking up serpents. But, basically, a sacrament is not something sacred, it’s just something that Jesus Himself did that we copy in order to bring grace - the desire and power to do God’s will - into our lives, like baptism and communion, meditating on God’s Word and so forth. I probably still don’t understand the term in its fullest meaning, but you give a great definition. Thanks.
@@Bobbychildree
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
774 The Greek word mysterion was translated into Latin by two terms: mysterium and sacramentum. In later usage the term sacramentum emphasizes the visible sign of the hidden reality of salvation which was indicated by the term mysterium. In this sense, Christ himself is the mystery of salvation: "For there is no other mystery of God, except Christ."196 The saving work of his holy and sanctifying humanity is the sacrament of salvation, which is revealed and active in the Church's sacraments (which the Eastern Churches also call "the holy mysteries"). The seven sacraments are the signs and instruments by which the Holy Spirit spreads the grace of Christ the head throughout the Church which is his Body. The Church, then, both contains and communicates the invisible grace she signifies. It is in this analogical sense, that the Church is called a "sacrament."
1084 "Seated at the right hand of the Father" and pouring out the Holy Spirit on his Body which is the Church, Christ now acts through the sacraments he instituted to communicate his grace. The sacraments are perceptible signs (words and actions) accessible to our human nature. By the action of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit they make present efficaciously the grace that they signify.
1131 The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us. The visible rites by which the sacraments are celebrated signify and make present the graces proper to each sacrament. They bear fruit in those who receive them with the required dispositions.
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A sacrament is a “sacred sign,” something visibly manifesting the invisible glory and workings of God. But when we speak of the seven sacraments-sometimes called the “major sacraments” or the “sacraments of the New Law”-we mean more than this.
These sacraments are both signs and causes of grace. As Aquinas puts it, “they effect what they signify.”
In other words, each of the seven sacraments does something: baptism cleanses us of original sin and brings us into the family of God, confirmation confirms our baptism and sends us on mission, the Eucharist gives us the true body and blood of Jesus Christ, confession forgives our sins, matrimony unites us like Christ to his Church, holy orders ordains us to act in the person of Christ, and the anointing of the sick heals us of bodily and especially spiritual ailments. But each of these sacraments uses visible signs so that we can better know and believe what’s invisibly occurring.
The sacraments are best understood as a continuation of the Incarnation. God has always been infinitely powerful and glorious, but fallen man struggled at an invisible God, quickly falling into idolatry. The Incarnation is, in part, a remedy for this human weakness. Jesus, as “the image of the invisible God” and the Incarnate Word, makes the invisible and infinite majesty of God present in a tangible, visible form.
Christ ascended into heaven but left behind the Church as a continuation of his bodily incarnation, which is why St. Paul speaks of the Church as the “Body of Christ” and of it being built up into “the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ” and growing “up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ” (Eph. 4:12-13, 16). In the Incarnation, God the Son forever united himself to materiality by taking on a human body. He continues this union through the Church and through the sacraments.
The sacraments are foreshadowed throughout the Old Testament. One particularly elucidating example is the washing of Naaman the Syrian in 2 Kings 5. A leper and a Gentile, Naaman comes to the prophet Elisha for healing, and Elisha sends him to “wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored, and you shall be clean” (2 Kings 5:10). The banality of the proposed gesture angers Naaman, but is persuaded to obey; he dips “himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God; and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean” (2 Kings 5:14).
In the ordinary course of nature, such washing is good only for the “removal of dirt from the body” (1 Pet. 3:21), but when done “according to the word of the man of God,” it leads to miraculous healing and spiritual cleansing (ultimately, leading Naaman to faith). There’s a correspondence between the sign and the action. God could have healed Naaman by having him dip into mud, but he chooses to do so in a way that the action signifies what it causes.
The role of the sacramental minister is clear from the first few chapters of the Gospel of John. The first of Jesus’ public miracles is the turning of six jars of water into wine, yet he does this entirely through mediators. His mother approaches, mentioning the lack of wine. She then says to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you” (John 2:5). Jesus instructs the servants, without ever touching the jars himself. Nevertheless, the miraculous action is attributable to Christ via these ministers: “this, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory; and his disciples believed in him” (John 2:11).
Jesus’ miracles frequently work in this way: he works through others, and/or through physical objects. In the next chapter of John, we read that “Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and baptized” (John 3:23), but John later clarifies that while “Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John,” “Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples” (John 4:1-2). As with the wedding feast of Cana, Jesus is working his miracles through others, who are instructed to “do whatever he tells you.” As St. Augustine points out, whether you were baptized by Paul, or Peter, or Judas, you were ultimately baptized by Christ.
How many did the thief on the cross participate in when Jesus said to him “…today you will be with me in paradise?
Why do you need to hate what Jesus instituted?
None, but the fact that Christ had not yet instituted holy baptism is relevant here.
The thief on the cross was a Jew who lived under Jewish law. He died before the gospel, as defined by the Apostle Paul, was complete (death, burial and resurrection). Christ died before the thief. However, the thief was already dead when Jesus was resurrected on the third day. Many speculate that the thief was never baptized, but how does anyone know this for sure? We are not given any information on his past. One thing that we do know is that the thief called Jesus "Lord," and had knowledge of the teaching of Jesus about the coming kingdom, which was literally days away from its beginning on Pentecost. One could equally say that the possibility exists that with this teaching and knowledge of Jesus from the thief's past, that he could have easily been baptized.
Maybe I don't fully understand the term "sacrament". I thought sacraments were rituals that some believe are required for salvation. I suppose my sacraments are at a firm 0 then. Although there are two things that we *should* do because we are asked to. Remember the Lord's super often, and baptism of an adult by submersion. I only believe in baptism by adults through submersion because that is the way Jesus did it himself.
Yes.
I am of the same opinion as you.
Some talk of sacraments as though they are talismans endowed with magical powers.
It sometimes sounds like a superstition.
God imparts his grace to us freely, with no strings attached.
Seven, there are seven sacrements
Sacramentum is used in the Vulgate to translate the Greek word musterion-mystery. Augustine listed 300 mysteries of the faith, or sacramenta. Since the word is not used in a single narrow sense, numbering sacraments differently seems to be at least partially semantic.
The mysteries of faith are not the same thing as the 7 sacraments, and augustine never meant it that way. The mysteries of faith are those things that we believe in, but they defy human reason. They can not be fully explained, but we believe in it. This includes the trinity. While we believe in the trinity and have explained it, it still defies reason. The changing of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ also defies human reasoning, and yet we believe in it.
@@Urfavigbo According to Augustine’s definition of a sacrament - “the visible form of an invisible grace” or “a sign of a sacred thing,” he reasoned there were over 300. These include many things Catholics now refer to as sacramentals, but Augustine made no distinction. Thomas Aquinas also wrote that anything sacred may be called sacramentum.
@@UrfavigboTo be clear, mystery did not originally mean "beyond human comprehension". It originally meant "initiation". The mysteries are called such because you must be initiated before you receive them, and because they are a sign that you have been initiated once you partake in them.
The connotation around the modern word grew to have its modern meaning because all rites look "mysterious" (in the modern sense of that word) to outsiders. Nowadays the church appropriates the modern meaning of that word with its own insiders when it doesn't want to explain something.
The most obvious examples of mystery in that older sense would be baptism - required before anything else, and confirmation.
@sameash3153 The Church uses the explanations given to us by the Church Fathers. St Athanasius, for example, explained the trinity. So it's not that we don't have an explanation or we don't want to explain. But we understand that it is a difficult concept to grasp and that you need utmost faith to believe.
But the word mystery first meant something mystical. Mystery did not mean initiation. The term mysteries included a huge part of christian theology, including the sacraments. the sacraments were hidden from the general public(the pagans), to avoid them being tainted. so yes, only those who were baptized(initiated) into the church could receive these mysteries. However, as Christianity became the official religion, the term continued to be used. That's why , to this day, the orthodox call the sacraments, the mysteries.
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a sponsor in the middle of a video... that's questionable.
I think the Methodists got left out.
Do you have a family Joshua?