Awesome video, glad you got to test the Torp 1000! Also glad the upgraded motor was not workable, the stock motor is more relatable. that Range is impressive as well, cant wait to see more content on the Ultra Bee
Ultra Bee and Varg are in entirely different categories though. Ultra Bee is a mid-sized trail bike, and the Varg is a full-on, full-sized motocross bike. For MX track riding, the Varg is unparalleled. You'd be spending well over the cost of the Varg in upgrades to get the Ultra Bee anywhere close to what the Varg is capable of, and it would still fall significantly short.
so with the big battery with an output of 22kw labelled on the battery, and TRUE CONTROLLER AMP OUTPUT you're looking at like a realistically 300/350 amp true dc current controller. Phase amps are sort of a marketing gimmick for companies to make their bikes seem like they are putting out way more power. at peak output fully charged you might be getting 25 to 30 kw output for about 30 seconds until the controller throttles the output to protect the battery cells limitations.
@@VitorAlbuquerque-u7v No i am saying the controller is not actually putting out 22 kw. in phase amps it looks like the controller puts out alot of amps but it actually puts out half of that.
Lots of mention of the weight difference but isnt the utrabee also a near full size dirt bike compared to the talaria? Id happily take the weight difference for something that rides like adult sized trail bike.
One reason explaining the gap could be the phase saturation of the stock talaria motor. It would be interesting to get a video recording of the controller apps to see how many amps and phase amps are actually pulled. You set 800 phase amps on the talaria but it might only take 600, hence the gap with the sur Ron which motor is bigger and can probably pull more phase amps!
Very nice video! Wish you would have added in some riding footage, but we'll look forward to that next. Anybody have a lightbee with an aftermarket (and longer) swingarm to test against the feel of the ultrabee?
Hey i love your videos, i have a talaria mx3, could you make a video on how to setup the stock rear shock, i cant vind anything on how to set up the best preload and rebound for my weight
Thanks for watching! you really just mess around with the preload and rebound nobs until it feels that best to you, those stock shocks really don't have a ton of adjustment so you end up just experimenting until you get what feels best to you!
Please do another video with the upgraded motor on the ultrabee, and it might be too much to ask but if you can compare the sotion motor to the ebmx motor on the ultra that would be incredible
I’ve been sitting on the sotion ultra bee motor for over 3weeks unable to use it as well. They sent it with hall sensor. Then they sent me an encoder board but it’s meant to work with FarDriver. I’ll have to use after market battery and custom harness to use with controllers that have no mounting system for ultra bee.
I decided only to upgrade the UB with the Torp Controller but nothing else. For the price of new 80v battery, new Torp Motor and Sirris suspension I better buy a whole Stark Varg EX soon.
Can you guys review the Eride pro S and eride Pro SS, this company is putting some shades on talaria and surron right now! Not sure about long term reliabilty and quality of components yet since it's so new.
I think why the ultra is faster the the talaria even they both had the same settings is cuz the ultra bee motor can handle more then the talaria motor i think if you guys can find a way to put the sotion motor on the talaria i think they both will be a even match for each other
Can I just have you guys do my EBMX controller, motor, and Charged Cycle Works upgrade for me so I don't have to do it and you guys can test it out? I just don't have the time to get it done
Hey you young guys are pretty great and finally someone actually weighed these bikes as the claimed weights are often done on the moon. Just don't get in a hurry as people want to see how each component changes the bikes. In that vein I wish you had tried the torp controller on the stock battery first as most people are not going to upgrade that battery as it is over $5000 but just the controller is much more reasonable. I know its fun to see how fast you make these things but they are obviously not made for the drag strip and that much torque is going to be totally useless on the trail. The bigger Ultra will just fit bigger guys better. I will look forward to your ride video. Cheers !
Hi Talaria Boys do you think it would be a good decision too get a torp tc1000 and other upgrades and put it on a Ultra Bee straight away out of the box or do you think i should wait until i get used to the power first and then put some upgrades on?
I would recommend just getting used to it stock, its an amazing bike and has lots of power. If you find yourself wanting more you can always upgrade down the road!
It's slightly larger dimension overall. 10 lbs heavier too. I think it'll be like how a Talaria is now vs a Light Bee. Modded light bee is better, but more expensive. If you're planning on keeping it stock, the Talaria is better.
Hey guys i've had my sting r for a while now. I went pretty hard in the hills yesterday and on my way home i popped a wheelie and just as i accelerated and got the front tire up i heard a really loud click sound. It sounded like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie and it didnt make that noise. Today i took my bike out again, popped a wheelie first thing CLICK it made that sound again like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie to see if it would do it again and it didnt. Any idea what this could be? Im gonna ride tomorrow again to see if it does it again but it really doesnt sound good when it happens
Dang thats nerve racking, I'm not sure what that could be, hopefully it doesn't keep happening, Id double check your front wheel axle and headset though as when you wheelie those will come unweighed and could be loose and make a sound upon landing.
@@Talariaboys thanks so much for the reply. I rode today, popped wheelies all day long and it didnt make the noise once. Very very strange. I'll show up again in the comments if it comes back but yeah it was definetly an alarming sound. Thanks for the help regardless
The higher Amp hours make a big difference in the constant power and peak power it can put out. Swap the higher AH battery into the Talaria and you will see that the drag race will be the same but with the Talaria ahead of the Sur Ron. Amp hours give you more than just range it also gives you more constant and peak power to deliver to the controller and motor.
This is true to a certain extent however in this case both batteries are easily capable of the power we were asking them to do. More Ah doesn't always mean more power, some smaller battery cells are capable of much higher output than other larger cells. It really just depends but isn't what you mentioned in this case.
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you guys know not much about electric motors. the "ratcheting" 😅 you had on the original motor is because its slotted and you literally feel the magnets aligning throughout the revolution of the rotor....the other motor was a slotless design, and therefore "feels" smoother. These things have zero to do with the motors quality.
You can see an upgrade in power with an upgraded controller but an upgraded motor won’t do anything for you with a stock battery still. Maybe you can keep it from overheating longer but it’s definitely not worth the money in my opinion unless you’re planning to do a battery as well.
@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers
@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers
Not impressed with E bikes at all. Every single channel is constantly spending HUGE money trying to turn these things into motorcycle. How is this fun considering you can just go out and buy a real bike that does what you want. I don't get it.
Looking forward for you guys to test out the new Talaria Dragon vs the Ultra Bee
Same!
E Ride pro SS IS BEST FIR MONEY
Standard 72v Standard 5k
Can you list all upgrades and where buy?
@Talariaboys can you post all items you upgraded that will fit my talaria
Awesome video, glad you got to test the Torp 1000! Also glad the upgraded motor was not workable, the stock motor is more relatable. that Range is impressive as well, cant wait to see more content on the Ultra Bee
My guess is you have a whole lot less voltage sag on the larger ultra battery.
Can you run the TC1000 on a stock ultra bee battery? I’m getting mine very soon. Do you recommend getting a new battery as well?
Man, having an e-bike would be a dream, especially tweaking it bit by bit to make it cool. Damn, just the thought of cruising makes me feel alive.
Ya its a blast
Congrats on hitting 10,000! That’s amazing!
Damn!!! Gapzilla on that last rolling pull😮😮😮😮. Outstanding 👍👍👍
If I lived in Utah (well, or anywhere in the US), I would hire you to upgrade my Sting R!
Thanks! We love upgrading these bikes!
The Ultra Bee also has reverse and traction control vs a Sting R. For half the $$$ of a Stark Varg it is pretty good.
It’s really not a bad deal! Needs a 21 front wheel though
Yeas but has 17 hp....the stark 80
Ultra Bee and Varg are in entirely different categories though. Ultra Bee is a mid-sized trail bike, and the Varg is a full-on, full-sized motocross bike. For MX track riding, the Varg is unparalleled. You'd be spending well over the cost of the Varg in upgrades to get the Ultra Bee anywhere close to what the Varg is capable of, and it would still fall significantly short.
so with the big battery with an output of 22kw labelled on the battery, and TRUE CONTROLLER AMP OUTPUT you're looking at like a realistically 300/350 amp true dc current controller. Phase amps are sort of a marketing gimmick for companies to make their bikes seem like they are putting out way more power. at peak output fully charged you might be getting 25 to 30 kw output for about 30 seconds until the controller throttles the output to protect the battery cells limitations.
so does that mean there should be a bigger battery for these more powerful motors to work?
@@VitorAlbuquerque-u7v No i am saying the controller is not actually putting out 22 kw. in phase amps it looks like the controller puts out alot of amps but it actually puts out half of that.
Lots of mention of the weight difference but isnt the utrabee also a near full size dirt bike compared to the talaria? Id happily take the weight difference for something that rides like adult sized trail bike.
One reason explaining the gap could be the phase saturation of the stock talaria motor. It would be interesting to get a video recording of the controller apps to see how many amps and phase amps are actually pulled. You set 800 phase amps on the talaria but it might only take 600, hence the gap with the sur Ron which motor is bigger and can probably pull more phase amps!
We agree! Sadly the screen recordings on the apps do not show Phase amps pulled only KW pulled so we couldn’t compare as easily as that.
these controllers max out around 300/350 true dc amps so phase amps would be 700ish max
Very nice video! Wish you would have added in some riding footage, but we'll look forward to that next. Anybody have a lightbee with an aftermarket (and longer) swingarm to test against the feel of the ultrabee?
Ya couldn’t fit anymore into this video but coming soon!
“I can barely lift this thing” is funny lol
Hey i love your videos, i have a talaria mx3, could you make a video on how to setup the stock rear shock, i cant vind anything on how to set up the best preload and rebound for my weight
Thanks for watching! you really just mess around with the preload and rebound nobs until it feels that best to you, those stock shocks really don't have a ton of adjustment so you end up just experimenting until you get what feels best to you!
Please do another video with the upgraded motor on the ultrabee, and it might be too much to ask but if you can compare the sotion motor to the ebmx motor on the ultra that would be incredible
I’ve been sitting on the sotion ultra bee motor for over 3weeks unable to use it as well. They sent it with hall sensor. Then they sent me an encoder board but it’s meant to work with FarDriver. I’ll have to use after market battery and custom harness to use with controllers that have no mounting system for ultra bee.
ebmx
@@Offthevoltz
Still totally satisfied with my modded MX3 for now. I still plan to buy a real E-Moto like the BHR one day though.
Nice! We are still very happy with our Stings and there’s only a few places we’d rather be on this.
That's why....I have both! Built UB and LB. Best of both worlds.
That’s the way to do it
Range test please!!
Nice vid and awsome bikes. Are you running the ultra bee with the power upgrade on an original belt drive? thx and cheers.
Yep it’s the original belt
Awsome, thx@@Talariaboys
Love the blue paint okay but are boots are 8 inches so the motor better be a 16 inches or wheather damage out in the woods
When riding the Ultra would you say the extra weight and size is really noticeable?
Yes compared to our Talarias but not as much as you’d think honestly
I decided only to upgrade the UB with the Torp Controller but nothing else. For the price of new 80v battery, new Torp Motor and Sirris suspension I better buy a whole Stark Varg EX soon.
Can you guys review the Eride pro S and eride Pro SS, this company is putting some shades on talaria and surron right now! Not sure about long term reliabilty and quality of components yet since it's so new.
We are trying!
Can you get ahold of and review one of those new SS Pros?
We are trying!
I think why the ultra is faster the the talaria even they both had the same settings is cuz the ultra bee motor can handle more then the talaria motor i think if you guys can find a way to put the sotion motor on the talaria i think they both will be a even match for each other
Can I just have you guys do my EBMX controller, motor, and Charged Cycle Works upgrade for me so I don't have to do it and you guys can test it out? I just don't have the time to get it done
If your local to us, send us an email at Talariaboys@gmail.com and we can discuss, We would need to charge for install and testing.
That ultra bee has a sweet paint job, let's hear it for white rims 😜
Kevin has good taste!
What is ets2 ? I think that the ets2 throttle has two hall sensors instead of one , I wonder if this throttle can only be used with the ultra bee🐝 ?
Hey you young guys are pretty great and finally someone actually weighed these bikes as the claimed weights are often done on the moon. Just don't get in a hurry as people want to see how each component changes the bikes. In that vein I wish you had tried the torp controller on the stock battery first as most people are not going to upgrade that battery as it is over $5000 but just the controller is much more reasonable. I know its fun to see how fast you make these things but they are obviously not made for the drag strip and that much torque is going to be totally useless on the trail. The bigger Ultra will just fit bigger guys better. I will look forward to your ride video. Cheers !
We didn't have access to a stock battery to try it with.
Will you guys have an upgraded ultra bee motor on website soon ?
I KNEW THE ULTRA BEE WAS THE BIKE TO GET
its a beast!
What motor can we put in the sting r that will make it faster?
There is a motor coming from EBMX that will be top dog!
Oooooo do you know an estimated time frame ?!?!?
Now race one of the @ChargedCycleWorks Ultra Bee's! ;)
What about the new Talaria Dragon?
It’s gonna be so sick!! But it’s not coming until atleast mid next year
Hi Talaria Boys do you think it would be a good decision too get a torp tc1000 and other upgrades and put it on a Ultra Bee straight away out of the box or do you think i should wait until i get used to the power first and then put some upgrades on?
I would recommend just getting used to it stock, its an amazing bike and has lots of power. If you find yourself wanting more you can always upgrade down the road!
It has a lot to do with how each bike is geared.
can't wait for you guys to sell your stings for dragons so we can do a Ultra Bee vs Dragon...
We will definitely be testing the dragon but it will be a while before it comes out!
This moded Ultra is what Talaria Dragon going to be. Hype!
Exactly!
It's slightly larger dimension overall. 10 lbs heavier too. I think it'll be like how a Talaria is now vs a Light Bee. Modded light bee is better, but more expensive. If you're planning on keeping it stock, the Talaria is better.
Talaria Dragon is ugly AF
Phase amps has little to no affect on general speed, only torque. If you’re able to change line amps, that would be the difference
And is the gearing the exact same for both bikes?
We understand just have to state everything for the video, we do change line amps in the KW numbers during tests.
Would love to see that range test!
Always making amazing videos! 🔥⚡️
Thank you 🙌
I pushed 32kw throught a stomp ebox 2.0 with a sotion motor and x9000 did 85mph and weighed 198kg
Hey guys i've had my sting r for a while now. I went pretty hard in the hills yesterday and on my way home i popped a wheelie and just as i accelerated and got the front tire up i heard a really loud click sound. It sounded like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie and it didnt make that noise. Today i took my bike out again, popped a wheelie first thing CLICK it made that sound again like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie to see if it would do it again and it didnt. Any idea what this could be? Im gonna ride tomorrow again to see if it does it again but it really doesnt sound good when it happens
Dang thats nerve racking, I'm not sure what that could be, hopefully it doesn't keep happening, Id double check your front wheel axle and headset though as when you wheelie those will come unweighed and could be loose and make a sound upon landing.
@@Talariaboys thanks so much for the reply. I rode today, popped wheelies all day long and it didnt make the noise once. Very very strange. I'll show up again in the comments if it comes back but yeah it was definetly an alarming sound. Thanks for the help regardless
@@Talariaboys the sound came back! :( I sent you guys a dm on instagram but i cant send the video of the sound until you reply
cant wait to see you get a controller for the x3!
Coming sooner than you think 😏
i know the 72v is sitting somewhere around there 😎 @@Talariaboys
What about field weakening
Talaria Dragon 🐉 Vs. Surron Ultra Bee 🐝 NEXT
That will be a big video! We are so excited for the dragon!🐉
@@Talariaboys we r fanboys cant wait.
can you make a 100mph sotion motor ultra bee
So if I just wanted to make my new stock ultra bee faster all I really need is a aftermarket controller?
Yes, it should give you more torque and 5-7 mph more top speed.
Did the traction control work?
We didn’t really get a chance to try yet and it may be one of the oem features that Torp hasn’t rolled out into this controller yet.
You guys should do a top speed run on the upgraded surron
Yes we should!
PSM team & I are doing a XXX battery & TC testing 😮💨
Nice!!
the ultra bee is faster cuz it has a bigger motor,, would be my guess
Definitely could be why!
I kept wondering why, but that makes sense
I am still really satisfied with this comparison so why would you not want a ultra bee
I can’t wait until I see more about the Utra Bee because they came out with a newer version
my buddy runs 33kw on his honda 450 e conversion
Nice!!
I love my ultra with the X9000 it’s got plenty of power with stock motor and stock batt!!!
Range test will be great
Ya so far very impressed! 47 miles as mentioned!
Sotion also makes a encoder version 🔥 gotta see all that power
He smoked it 🍀👽🚲🌬
Good job guys, keep it up!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. Where do you buy the battery?
Charged cycle works!! Code (talariaboys)
the talaria is not into on lunacycle anywhere else to get it?
Check amped bikes
@@Talariaboys ok thank u very much
Was the gearing the same on both bikes
It wasn’t identical but was close!
1000 amps is nutty
I know it’s crazy!
Guys, what about top speed on the Ultra Bee ? Is it more than 60mph ?
We need to test it but I’d imagine yes more than 60
The higher Amp hours make a big difference in the constant power and peak power it can put out. Swap the higher AH battery into the Talaria and you will see that the drag race will be the same but with the Talaria ahead of the Sur Ron. Amp hours give you more than just range it also gives you more constant and peak power to deliver to the controller and motor.
This is true to a certain extent however in this case both batteries are easily capable of the power we were asking them to do. More Ah doesn't always mean more power, some smaller battery cells are capable of much higher output than other larger cells. It really just depends but isn't what you mentioned in this case.
Would you guys prefer the sotian motor or the Torp motor?
They are very very similar
@@Talariaboys ant with the tc500 what’s your recommendation?
same gears ?..
Very similar actually
Great video
Thanks Hector!
Shit I'll mount that older motor to my paddle boat and give it a face lift
What was the speed of this ???
We didn't check but probably about 65mph
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I razor runs at 22,000 Watts I'm building right now 😮
Yes yes yes yes
Thanks for watching
Looks sick
Thanks!
Its a bigger motor on the Ultra bee,,,,thats the difference. Talaria has a smaller motor.
I agree!
Am 6'3 ft can i fit on that bike? @ Talaria boys
Yes! Lance is 6'3 and Reed and Alex are both 6'1
you guys know not much about electric motors. the "ratcheting" 😅 you had on the original motor is because its slotted and you literally feel the magnets aligning throughout the revolution of the rotor....the other motor was a slotless design, and therefore "feels" smoother. These things have zero to do with the motors quality.
AKA 'cogging'
I hear on some poorly maintained bikes, a loud clanking sound when hard power is suddenly applied, what is that sound?
I just want the dragon with 50 kw and be done lol
Haha ya man! Although honestly 30kw is plenty!!!!
@@Talariaboys it probably is but having the boost setting set to 50 kw would be sweet!
At least for the nucular controller boost setting
Well take what we can get!
@@Talariaboys have yall tried nucular controllers? I’m getting one ordered at the end of the month for the mx4.
12kw stock battery
We have been working on getting one but they told us it’s not quite ready for review yet but I just reached out again to check what’s up.
Why do u keep saying 72v???
Because it’s 72v
@@Talariaboys is it not the EBMX 82v? Ultra bee comes with 72v stock.
I’m curious. Would you see a difference in power if I upgraded just the controller and motor w/ the stock ultra bee battery?
You can see an upgrade in power with an upgraded controller but an upgraded motor won’t do anything for you with a stock battery still. Maybe you can keep it from overheating longer but it’s definitely not worth the money in my opinion unless you’re planning to do a battery as well.
Yea dawg
Thanks for watching
yep that's what 10K$ feels like 😬
Torp telaria! I’m in
Vibration dampened on electric 😂😂
10,000 $ bike !!!
The drag literally looked slower than stock
Lol
Second person to see this
Thanks for watching!
Anyone over 6 foot tall looks goofy on anything smaller than the ultrabee.
True! But they’re so fun!
@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers
@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers
More talaria stuff please
its coming!
You gotta let surronster review this bike
He’s the man!
Can someone put a real rider on one of these
What type of riding do you want to see?
The controller is cringe
Nahhh
Just buy a stark VARG
Nahh
Worst review video of 2023. Absolutely nothing fit or was tested. A true waste of time to watch
Thank you for your views and comment
@@Talariaboys Great video, keep it up, looking forward to the next one
Not impressed with E bikes at all. Every single channel is constantly spending HUGE money trying to turn these things into motorcycle. How is this fun considering you can just go out and buy a real bike that does what you want. I don't get it.
You sir sound like you have never ridden one.
Sexist comment 'what's up guys' or is that a general term.
Just a general term… lots of people use it.