For a little bit of reference as to why the Pendo failed: It was stabled overnight in Carlisle, the OHLE was isolated but the Pendo was still powered up. Normally, this wouldn't be an issue as the Pendo will trip when the battery drops below a certain voltage. Unfortunately, there was an issue with this set which meant it didn't trip and the batteries went flat. Once recovered to Longsight it got hooked up to a battery charger and after a few hours, it was all up and running again, and the issue with the tripping was fixed. It's fairly rare when a Pendo needs to be rescued as most issues don't stop the train from running. And for those wondering, yes, the coupler and coupler hatch are a right pain... Even with a fully charged air supply!
@@steveburn8125 I think 53, 8 car Pendolinos were built in the uk, at Washwood Heath, however some of these were lengthened to 9 or 11 car trains and re-numbered to class 390/1 instead of class 390. However I also think the remaining Pendolinos that were built for the fleet were made in Italy.
Just love seeing videos filmed in carlisle as my grandfather used to work in the old 12b upperby steam loco sheds from 1960-1990. He loved his job, he was also an active man in the steam loco cabs as well as he was a fireman and also served as a signalman on the plaftorms in the station with his flags and lamps, and was also a train guard, he has led me to love the old steam beasts and just seeing this one pass by while the avanti was being rescued was amazing, ive also still got my grandfathers old blue trainyard jacket and his old 12b badge that he wore on his jacket and his british rail id, he lived up near the racecourse along the public footpath with my grandmother and my mother and uncle around 1989 and when he worked on the maryport line and finished his shift he would stop at the second bridge and then walk up a set of train engineer steps that came out in to the farmers field and he would walk up it that led him on to the public path to his house, if you carry on walking any further you reach durdar road and the racecourse which would be to the right. He passed on the 26th of september 2022, but just watching this brings back a lot of happy memories. Thank you for filming this, and ive always wanted to be a train driver or conductor my self but due to having epilepsy im unable to, but it hasnt stopped me from still learning and i have learnt alot about trains over the years just by doing research on google, and also playing Train Sim World 3 on Xbox, my favourite steam loco is the flying Scotsman, just seeing her clock up every second of speed makes me so happy and joyful and happy and I can remember as well when I went to the national railway museum as a kid and saw those huge steam beasts, hey they may look small on a photo but once you stand next to one your gonna be the small one 😂❤
Thanks for the comment, i like to film the steam trains although i like the diesels to my favourite steam train is probably Sir Nigel Gresley even though i haven’t seen it in person yet
Good to hear that story; the human side is just as interesting and it's great that you have a passion for the railway. Your condition doesn't necessarily stop you from doing some jobs - the railway family is still quite large!😀
Great footage. For trivia, 57 years ago, as class 47, D1901, Lady Penelope hauled the last train out of Cheltenham Spa St James in 1966, four years after Royal Scot was withdrawn.
@@forresg500 Only about 550 tons so quite easy for a 57 , would think it could haul nearly 4 times this weight , our Class 60's at IMM have hauled near 4'000 tons with one engine
After working for 10 years in the S&T dept at Carlisle i have walked down Platform 1 many times. The track is looking no better than it did when i left in 1981!
I was just on platform 1 about 20 minutes ago to watch 90021 and 67007 arrive and depart after hauling a private charter from London Kings Cross to Edinburgh.
@Allan Pape My grandfather worked in the old 12b upperby steam loco sheds from 1960 to 1990. He was also a steam loco fireman, train guard, and worked on the platforms with his signal lamp and flags, he loved his job and that's why I love steam trains, favourite is the flying Scotsman and the A4 mallard, got a lot of his old pics and even his old british rail id card and 12b pin badge for his jacket, and I still have his old blue jacket that he wore whe shoveling coal into the fire as well ❤.
It's absolutely crazy there are 3 different generations of trains in this video. And its the "old guard" yet again bailing the new one out. As an Austrian buff guy once said, "Old, not Obsolete". Seems to be the case for the 37s and 57s which never seem to be obsolete in their function on the mainline!
Old guard? Those 57s were rebuilt with new engines and everything 20 years ago, other than the bodyshell its practically the same age as the train it's hauling.
@@TheCatOfWarCSGO a lot of the components used in the 57s werent new, the engines were reconditioned - not new built, and the traction motors and alternators were recovered from 56s. the only new thing in them was the cab furnishing
@@Trainman10715 They look like Class 47 bogies and wheel sets , can you hang 56 traction motors on them ? Agree with you though it ain't a new loco , had look round Class 57 in Brush works whilst in construction quite a lot is reused , went their to rob fuel rack and rocker gear of Class 60 for one of our IMM 60's
You beat me to this one! I wasn't able to capture Lady Penelope on the move - I was busy at St Nick Bridge filming Scots Guardsman! Also left Citadel before the entourage left for Longsight. Well done!
Hi yes I was talking to you for a few minutes, once you left I left to get some food however I returned as I had to get the train home and lady Penelope was still there and one of the station staff told me it would depart at 14:00 so I decided to wait for it! Thanks for the comment!
The fold-down coupling on the diesel is clever. I'm not so sure about the extendable drawbar on the electric - it looked like it wouldn't lock into position!
No, it's just easier to recover a service by hauling it somewhere where it can get properly looked at. Coming from somebody who's worked on them, Pendolinos are incredibly reliable.
I dont know where the numbers can be found, but with anything mecahnical I would want to look at levlised cost of ownership and avlaiabilty before making this kind of a statement
@@WindyJAMiller Right. There's a huge selection bias in seeing one video of the thing breaking down and complaining about it, while ignoring the however-many-hundred times it worked properly. Yes, it's awkward to get the Dellner coupler out, but it's only needed on rare occasions, so the front end is optimized for aerodynamics on the vast majority of days when it's working properly. The pinned comment explains that there was an unusual fault condition, which led to the Pendolino's battery running flat. That meant they had no compressed air to extend the Dellner, which is why you see them connect up an air line from the 57. In other words, it took so long because multiple things went wrong, in an unusual way.
I've had this before with a truck bogged down and whilst waiting for a tow out we sorted out the towing bracket. Surely they could have saved some time if the Avanti had been prepared before the Thunderbird was lined up?
Time may not have been an issue, depends what diagram had been agreed for the removal of the rake and the arrival of the 57. I suppose it's indicative of the reliability of the Pendolino that there weren't staff that familiar with opening the, obviously very stiff, cover. That they needed an external air supply to push the Delner out probably indicates that the unit has been sat down for a fair while too.
"I say Parker, ones having an awrfully shocking time getting connected" "It didn't take this long in the good ol' days of steam and diesel" I'll be glad to dump this lot orf at the depot, could one put the kettle on please old chap!" 😂 Thanks for the video, highlighting the problems of connecting up a 57 to a Pendo. Doors that don't won't open and what looks to be miss aligned couplers I was questioning whether the 57 could couple up at all!
Hated being recovered as a driver, you had to have full brakes on as the loco rams you, and remain on the brakes as he does a pull test, only after which point you can release brakes and get out. Looks like some issue here probably with the signalling through the coupler. Missed my brakes once and the loco just pushed me back a few feet before re-applying the brakes.
Wouldn't the Auto brake hold it till you piped up ATP and created brake pipe ? , I'm old school freight so don't know about these passenger systems now
I bet if Royal Scot could talk it'd say, "Newfangled nonsense. Back in my day, we'd either bring our trains home on one cylinder if we had to or face the cutter's torch. When these cheap thing breakdown they just wail for a fitter."
at 3:28, I bet the HST driver was saying a few hail mary's, that the diesel was assisting him!, and NOT the steam loco, which looks like he may have about to have done so, seeing the layout of the tracks.
Are the apparent differences in coupler/drawbar height bewteen the Class 57 and the Pendolino the result of their relative ages, or origins, or measurement units (Imperial vs Metric), or purposes (general freight vs dedicated passenger train-sets)?
Not really any of the above. The only reason the Pendolino can be coupled to anything else is so that they can be towed when they break down or if the overhead power has to be turned off. Because of that, the front end is designed primarily with aerodynamics in mind -- they're optimized for the 99% of the time they're running on their own, rather than the 1% of the time that they need to be coupled to something.
@@beeble2003 until 2012 there was london-holyhead services operated by 390s with them being dragged by 57s between crewe and Holyhead, so the couplers got used a lot more than just for moving them in emergency, although even when they were used frequently the coupler hatches on the 390s seemed to be pretty unreliable often just being left open
All the air and electrical connections go through the Dellner, yes. I don't know about the brake system on the Pendolino, but I imagine it's standard, or you'd need separately configured rescue locomotives for every class.
@@beeble2003 I was (retired ) freight so its all 5 bar Bp for me , but know from my BR days with bsi rescue coupler (class 15x/ 140's ) It was basically train wire no pipe , so all our loco could supply through bsi coupling was main res . Just curious as we use to supply Class 67's to haul class 91sets when they were diverted by non electrified routes (they use 5 bar pipe) ,but now we have class 800's EMU sets . I have no idea of the brake systems on these fixed set EMU's/DMU's all I know is the older one's had no 5 bar Bp and I'm pretty sure the 185's connect electrically for the brakes (daughter drives them )
I've just realised that this Thunderbirds appellation is real ! Never initially noticed the name on the side. Are Hiram K Hackenbacker, Geoff, Gordon, Virgil, Parker all represented as well, or is it just LPCW ?
I know atleast a few other thunderbirds are represented such as Parker however I am not 100% sure if they all are however they might be I don’t know! Thanks for the comment!
Why were there no tail lights on the rear? Should have had at least one on a bracket...I looked really carefully and there was 't even a glimmer...somebody got a "please explain"...
There *was* a clip on tail light, on the back of the Pendolina. Seen it clear as day as it pulled away. Only option they had as the panto was down and the train was without power. The rescue loco didn't appear to be supplying ETS to the failed unit.
Don't think so. 57307 was originaly 47225. According to the Class 47 website, it was delivered new to Cardiff Canton and stayed there until moving to Tinsley in 1987. By that time, I'm pretty sure all the Knottingley MGR trains were Class 56-hauled, and 47225 was allocated to a Speedlink pool and painted in Railfreight Distribution livery, when those things became things.
@@pajotero4219 No, they were completely renumbered into consecutive ranges 57001-12, 57301-16 and 57601-5. They were rebuilt from whatever 47s were available and in good condition. Looks like a random mix of 47/0s, /3s and /8s, plus a single /7.
@@ChineseTrainGuy A class 47 requires about one hour of maintenance for every two hours it spends running. A Pendolino requires one hour of maintenance for every nine hours it spends running. Please explain the joke.
Yeah, that guy should totally stop filming his video so that this guy can film his video. Having a camera in your hand doesn't mean you somehow own the platform.
All these advanced locos being pulled by an older loco stil uses for these grand old gals I was brought up just at the end of steam so I loved the locomotive not these long worms you can't beat the sound of a class 52 full throttle
Great Footage here of Diesel and Steam Traction together ,What's going on with these Dreadful Pendelinos Passangers train has it broken down as usual ,Long live Good old English Electric Classic Diesel Traction Class 57 Named Lady Penelope to the rescue (5 4 3 2 1 🚀Thunderbirds are go )to help these 20 years old or more modern rubbish on its way nice to see the 46100 also ♥️ Steaming in and out,Fabulous ❤❤❤
I remember when the 47s were on regular front line inter City services, they were way less reliable at 20 than the pendolinos are at 20, breaking down way more often, the only reason the thunderbird seems more reliable is, they're basically a new engine on old frames/body completely refurbed, rarely used and never on high speed high loaded and intense services and when they were, they had less availability than the pendolino, so not such a great engine as you think. And the 47s were made by Brush Traction.
@@Scots_Diesel - You beat me to it on every point. Nostalgia is a lovely thing, but the 47s were indeed very unreliable locos. Worth remembering that the 47s were retired from the Wherry Lines due to constant breakdowns and replaced with 37 short consists; 37s are older than 47s! (usually by 5-8 years). Some of the 57s have a rebuid date of 2004/5, making their engines and running gear newer than the Pendolinos 😄
No passengers on board and lady Penelope has the coupling because it is a thunderbird locative which we’re all fitted with this coupling so they could carry out these rescues of pendalinos.
I just love the irony. Correct me if im wrong but a Pendolino (maybe BR Class 390?) that was built between 2001 - 2004 gets rescued by a Class 57 (which to my knowledge is a modernized Class 47 from 1960) while a Steam loco is happily chugging along on a different track :) Does anyone else feel like we might be moving in the wrong direction here ?? :)
No, we're not moving in the wrong direction. Nobody builds brand-new locomotives just for rescue duty, so the rescue locomotive will inevitably be older than the thing it rescues. Neither the 57 nor the Royal Scot is capable of running at 125mph even once, let alone for several hours a day, every day.
No air in the air system on the Pendolino. If it still had air supply, you would only need to push a button. So you have to "fight it" to get it open. Same with the retracting coupler. You see they connect an air hose from the locomotive to get it to move forward and engage for coupling.
No. Manouevres like this require constant live communication with the signalman. No movements whatsoever are made without approval. The signals are all but redundent in these cases. Especially on such a complex platform as that; with two junctions within 10' of eachother at the end of the platform. The entire 'area' (all of the track that will be used for the positioning, coupling and drawing off manouevres) is protected, and free of any other traffic. Live contact with the signalman is required to change points at each stage.
He would have had authority from the signalman to pass the signal at danger. In the old days would have been a dopsad or a call from the SPT. Guessing it's all done via GSM-R now.
The 'old school' technology is the best. That's really embarrassing having a old school locomotive rescue a high tech locomotive with all the fancy electronics and high tech gizmos. It just goes to show you that new doesn't mean ' better.'
Modern😂 the pendolinos have been running over 20 years on the front line between London and Glasgow that's longer than the kettles, and the pendolinos have less failure rates at over 20 years old than the 86/7's etc did when they reached a similar age and milage
@Schlipperschlopper Schlipperschlopper pendolinos are over 20 hardly new, and were built in Italy with Japanese Electronics...... And the class new class 800s are built in the UK with Japanese technology, all the rest are European or Canadian, some built here some not, but certainly no Chinese rubbish as you call it, If the build quality is poor on an ice 8xx class loco it's the BRITISH workforce that caused it.
while what you say is true for actual modern junk, the pendolinos arent one of those, theyre not modern anymore and their build quality is top notch, hence their continued good reliability (when being looked after properly), under virgin the pendolinos were among the most reliable rolling stock on the network. what you said about built quality applies very well to the more recent hitachi trains though
Whoever was responsible for allowing the Dellner coupler to become the accepted standard on trains deserves to spin in their graves forever. Shoddy design and poor in practice. Whatever happened to Keep It Simple, Stupid!
What a carry on,surely they could have made coupling up a little simpler but I suppose they thought an old timer like that would Never have to rescue such Modern equipment, what a joke.
Those 'Thunderbird' class 57's were created specifically as rescue engines for the Pendolino fleet, retro-fitted with matching couplings to aid the rescue 'mission'. So actually they were intended for this purpose.
Modern😂 they've been over 20 years on the front line between London and Glasgow that's longer than the kettles, and the pendolinos have less failure rates at over 20 years old than the 86/7's etc did when they reached a similar age and milage
So many are required for the WCML contract to rescue the 390's etc. A new contract will go to tender and whoever wins it(LSL or ROG for example) will provide the required 6 class 57/3's for it. In the meantime DRS continue. HTH.
@@TRAlNVlDEOS For now yes. Contract up for renewal soon which will mean the required number of locos will go along with the contract to a new operator.
@@MLX1401 Only if they are not diesel-mechanical (like the Danish IC3 and IC4 running with an automatic gear box from a truck/lorry), or diesel-hydraulic.
@@sjokomelkWell said pal 😉. Even the ultra modern CAF 195 DMU that Northern has now isn't driven by electric traction motors, her diesel engines are actually connected to ZF EcoLife 6-speed gearboxes 👍
For a little bit of reference as to why the Pendo failed:
It was stabled overnight in Carlisle, the OHLE was isolated but the Pendo was still powered up. Normally, this wouldn't be an issue as the Pendo will trip when the battery drops below a certain voltage. Unfortunately, there was an issue with this set which meant it didn't trip and the batteries went flat. Once recovered to Longsight it got hooked up to a battery charger and after a few hours, it was all up and running again, and the issue with the tripping was fixed. It's fairly rare when a Pendo needs to be rescued as most issues don't stop the train from running. And for those wondering, yes, the coupler and coupler hatch are a right pain... Even with a fully charged air supply!
Thanks for this info, very interesting!
Please tell me these “Pendolino,s” are British made….. I bet they’re not :(….hope I’m wrong
@@steveburn8125 I think 53, 8 car Pendolinos were built in the uk, at Washwood Heath, however some of these were lengthened to 9 or 11 car trains and re-numbered to class 390/1 instead of class 390. However I also think the remaining Pendolinos that were built for the fleet were made in Italy.
@@TRAlNVlDEOS why did it broke down
@@jayson6164did you read?
Pity it wasn't rescued by the steam loco. Now that would have been poetic justice.
More of a pity it was not a class 66
Poetic justice, what do you mean?
Ha! Might have shamed the 57 for power🤣
@@Ben31337l look it up.
"So you think you can just replace me, hmm?"
There should be speakers on the loco so every time a Thunderbird gets called it can play the theme song to Thunderbirds.
International Rescue saved the day - again !
As usual
Beautifully executed. Clear the points and wait for clearance. The steam heritage was just gravy
Just love seeing videos filmed in carlisle as my grandfather used to work in the old 12b upperby steam loco sheds from 1960-1990. He loved his job, he was also an active man in the steam loco cabs as well as he was a fireman and also served as a signalman on the plaftorms in the station with his flags and lamps, and was also a train guard, he has led me to love the old steam beasts and just seeing this one pass by while the avanti was being rescued was amazing, ive also still got my grandfathers old blue trainyard jacket and his old 12b badge that he wore on his jacket and his british rail id, he lived up near the racecourse along the public footpath with my grandmother and my mother and uncle around 1989 and when he worked on the maryport line and finished his shift he would stop at the second bridge and then walk up a set of train engineer steps that came out in to the farmers field and he would walk up it that led him on to the public path to his house, if you carry on walking any further you reach durdar road and the racecourse which would be to the right. He passed on the 26th of september 2022, but just watching this brings back a lot of happy memories. Thank you for filming this, and ive always wanted to be a train driver or conductor my self but due to having epilepsy im unable to, but it hasnt stopped me from still learning and i have learnt alot about trains over the years just by doing research on google, and also playing Train Sim World 3 on Xbox, my favourite steam loco is the flying Scotsman, just seeing her clock up every second of speed makes me so happy and joyful and happy and I can remember as well when I went to the national railway museum as a kid and saw those huge steam beasts, hey they may look small on a photo but once you stand next to one your gonna be the small one 😂❤
Thanks for the comment, i like to film the steam trains although i like the diesels to my favourite steam train is probably Sir Nigel Gresley even though i haven’t seen it in person yet
@TrainVideos2023 No problem, and I love that A4 as well. I'm so glad it got restored
@@xxfyrezgamerxx6279 Yes, so sad Union of South Africa has been withdrawn, I never got to see it, maybe bittern will be restored in the future though!
Good to hear that story; the human side is just as interesting and it's great that you have a passion for the railway. Your condition doesn't necessarily stop you from doing some jobs - the railway family is still quite large!😀
@ChangesOneTim I actually never quite knew that, now I'm gonna have a deeper diver into the jobs. Thanks for letting me know about that. 😊 👍
Brilliant footage. Thanks for sharing!
Great video many thanks for sharing.
Reminds me of the holyhead service
Great footage. For trivia, 57 years ago, as class 47, D1901, Lady Penelope hauled the last train out of Cheltenham Spa St James in 1966, four years after Royal Scot was withdrawn.
Thanks for this comment! I never knew this, interesting to know this!
Amazing 1 engine pull all they carriages
@@forresg500 Only about 550 tons so quite easy for a 57 , would think it could haul nearly 4 times this weight , our Class 60's at IMM have hauled near 4'000 tons with one engine
Interesting Video! Thank You For Sharing!
After working for 10 years in the S&T dept at Carlisle i have walked down Platform 1 many times.
The track is looking no better than it did when i left in 1981!
I was just on platform 1 about 20 minutes ago to watch 90021 and 67007 arrive and depart after hauling a private charter from London Kings Cross to Edinburgh.
@@TRAlNVlDEOS A great place to spend a Sunday evening.
Once you have worked on the railways it stays in your blood for life.
@@Barbarapape Yes, it’s nice at Carlisle station in the evening although it is Monday not Sunday 😂 The bank holidays always confuse me
@@TRAlNVlDEOS It feels like a Sunday !, back to work in the morning🥲
@Allan Pape My grandfather worked in the old 12b upperby steam loco sheds from 1960 to 1990. He was also a steam loco fireman, train guard, and worked on the platforms with his signal lamp and flags, he loved his job and that's why I love steam trains, favourite is the flying Scotsman and the A4 mallard, got a lot of his old pics and even his old british rail id card and 12b pin badge for his jacket, and I still have his old blue jacket that he wore whe shoveling coal into the fire as well ❤.
It's absolutely crazy there are 3 different generations of trains in this video. And its the "old guard" yet again bailing the new one out.
As an Austrian buff guy once said, "Old, not Obsolete". Seems to be the case for the 37s and 57s which never seem to be obsolete in their function on the mainline!
Old guard? Those 57s were rebuilt with new engines and everything 20 years ago, other than the bodyshell its practically the same age as the train it's hauling.
@@TheCatOfWarCSGO a lot of the components used in the 57s werent new, the engines were reconditioned - not new built, and the traction motors and alternators were recovered from 56s. the only new thing in them was the cab furnishing
Rubbish 390
@@Trainman10715 They look like Class 47 bogies and wheel sets , can you hang 56 traction motors on them ?
Agree with you though it ain't a new loco , had look round Class 57 in Brush works whilst in construction quite a lot is reused , went their to rob fuel rack and rocker gear of Class 60 for one of our IMM 60's
@@nounoufriend1442 should be able to if they use the same mounting points, they won't be much larger than the 47 motors
Brilliant video. Enjoyed every minute!
Thanks! I will upload more 2 videos from Appleby of Club Castle and a Class 40 uploading within a few days probably!
You beat me to this one! I wasn't able to capture Lady Penelope on the move - I was busy at St Nick Bridge filming Scots Guardsman! Also left Citadel before the entourage left for Longsight. Well done!
Hi yes I was talking to you for a few minutes, once you left I left to get some food however I returned as I had to get the train home and lady Penelope was still there and one of the station staff told me it would depart at 14:00 so I decided to wait for it! Thanks for the comment!
7:16 that 57 sure does accelerate fast as a light engine...
I was wondering abt that too
Brilliant mate great video
Thanks!
Great coupling system, was bit touch and go at first though 😮
The fold-down coupling on the diesel is clever. I'm not so sure about the extendable drawbar on the electric - it looked like it wouldn't lock into position!
That loco sounds like our Aussie EMD 2 strokers, interesting coupling there 👍
They were remanufactured from Class 47's so may well have a similar engine as they replaced the original with a EMD 12-645
It's a Dellner coupling. Integrated air and electrical lines so all connections are completely automatic.
This is quite common place In Ireland with 071 class locos and 201s rescuing dart trains and the commuter 29000 and intercity 22000 rail cars
Could it be, pulling the Dart to Drogheda for Wheel Turning
The Royal Scot made an appearance too.
Very good video from Carl in Dublin Ireland
Thanks!
Exellent😊😊
When new stuff breaks. Never fear, old tech is here.
Great video but what a performance to rescue the train.
I can see royal Scot in the background in the sidings whilst you are looking at the class 57 coming over to rescue the stranded pendolino
Yes, the original reason i was there was just to see royal scot! Thanks for the comment!
4:08 I was hoping the second diesel would break down as well, and both would have to be rescued by the steam locomotive!
Would have been perfectly do-able as well , mainline steam Loco's have air brake , just use the 57 as barrier waggon for the Delner coupling
the Class 57s were rebuilds made with the explicit intent of being more reliable!
Awesome! Great video bro
Thanks!
Steam Loco Cameo in the middle of it all. Love it
Neat to see this documented. I've heard of the coupler hidden in Brett's belly before.
Thanks!!
Excellent video just subscribed 👍
What a performance! The more modern these traction gadgets become, the more difficult they are to resolve problems so it seems
You are right, some faults can migrate to the assisting loco, you just hope the train crew know what they are doing.
No, it's just easier to recover a service by hauling it somewhere where it can get properly looked at.
Coming from somebody who's worked on them, Pendolinos are incredibly reliable.
I dont know where the numbers can be found, but with anything mecahnical I would want to look at levlised cost of ownership and avlaiabilty before making this kind of a statement
@@WindyJAMiller Right. There's a huge selection bias in seeing one video of the thing breaking down and complaining about it, while ignoring the however-many-hundred times it worked properly. Yes, it's awkward to get the Dellner coupler out, but it's only needed on rare occasions, so the front end is optimized for aerodynamics on the vast majority of days when it's working properly.
The pinned comment explains that there was an unusual fault condition, which led to the Pendolino's battery running flat. That meant they had no compressed air to extend the Dellner, which is why you see them connect up an air line from the 57. In other words, it took so long because multiple things went wrong, in an unusual way.
Great video. I like trains; so this works for me.
I've had this before with a truck bogged down and whilst waiting for a tow out we sorted out the towing bracket. Surely they could have saved some time if the Avanti had been prepared before the Thunderbird was lined up?
Time may not have been an issue, depends what diagram had been agreed for the removal of the rake and the arrival of the 57. I suppose it's indicative of the reliability of the Pendolino that there weren't staff that familiar with opening the, obviously very stiff, cover. That they needed an external air supply to push the Delner out probably indicates that the unit has been sat down for a fair while too.
International Rescue.Thunderbirds are go Lady Penelope.
Lovely 😍 👌 steam engine our deseal train
"I say Parker, ones having an awrfully shocking time getting connected" "It didn't take this long in the good ol' days of steam and diesel" I'll be glad to dump this lot orf at the depot, could one put the kettle on please old chap!" 😂
Thanks for the video, highlighting the problems of connecting up a 57 to a Pendo. Doors that don't won't open and what looks to be miss aligned couplers I was questioning whether the 57 could couple up at all!
Thanks for the comment!
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Hated being recovered as a driver, you had to have full brakes on as the loco rams you, and remain on the brakes as he does a pull test, only after which point you can release brakes and get out. Looks like some issue here probably with the signalling through the coupler. Missed my brakes once and the loco just pushed me back a few feet before re-applying the brakes.
I didn't see an electrical head on the 57's Delner coupler adaptor. Is there a seperate rescue cable on these ? (There is on the Aventra class)
@David Quirk I'd imagine its a Schrader Valve connecting the two, with star valve connections too
Wouldn't the Auto brake hold it till you piped up ATP and created brake pipe ? , I'm old school freight so don't know about these passenger systems now
How did they sort out the air leak eventually?
I’m not sure sorry! But thanks for the comment!
I bet if Royal Scot could talk it'd say, "Newfangled nonsense. Back in my day, we'd either bring our trains home on one cylinder if we had to or face the cutter's torch. When these cheap thing breakdown they just wail for a fitter."
at 3:28, I bet the HST driver was saying a few hail mary's, that the diesel was assisting him!, and NOT the steam loco, which looks like he may have about to have done so, seeing the layout of the tracks.
Are the apparent differences in coupler/drawbar height bewteen the Class 57 and the Pendolino the result of their relative ages, or origins, or measurement units (Imperial vs Metric), or purposes (general freight vs dedicated passenger train-sets)?
Not really any of the above. The only reason the Pendolino can be coupled to anything else is so that they can be towed when they break down or if the overhead power has to be turned off. Because of that, the front end is designed primarily with aerodynamics in mind -- they're optimized for the 99% of the time they're running on their own, rather than the 1% of the time that they need to be coupled to something.
@@beeble2003 until 2012 there was london-holyhead services operated by 390s with them being dragged by 57s between crewe and Holyhead, so the couplers got used a lot more than just for moving them in emergency, although even when they were used frequently the coupler hatches on the 390s seemed to be pretty unreliable often just being left open
@@james123212 Thanks for the information -- interesting!
Does the train pipe couple through the Dellner coupling ? does Pendolino have normal 5 bar brake pipe ?
All the air and electrical connections go through the Dellner, yes. I don't know about the brake system on the Pendolino, but I imagine it's standard, or you'd need separately configured rescue locomotives for every class.
@@beeble2003 I was (retired ) freight so its all 5 bar Bp for me , but know from my BR days with bsi rescue coupler (class 15x/ 140's ) It was basically train wire no pipe , so all our loco could supply through bsi coupling was main res . Just curious as we use to supply Class 67's to haul class 91sets when they were diverted by non electrified routes (they use 5 bar pipe) ,but now we have class 800's EMU sets . I have no idea of the brake systems on these fixed set EMU's/DMU's all I know is the older one's had no 5 bar Bp and I'm pretty sure the 185's connect electrically for the brakes (daughter drives them )
the pendo just love to break down
Love how it was rescued by a Thunderbird. 😂😂
The "old girl" showing the "new kid" exactly how it's done!!!
Goes to show the oldies are still and more reliable than these modern locos
Please explain how it shows that.
🚂👍
Nice to see the old diesel train out working
this train came through paticroft as a special suprise
Yes this was a surprise for me to as i was there to see royal scot leave
What is the name of this coupling system that is put on trains that have a chain coupling?
I believe its a `Dellner` Coupling. automatically attaches all the air and power feeds on coupling
@@hornet1068 they are trying to make that coupler a EU standard.
@@hornet1068 Yes, it's Dellner.
Joy of joys if that steamer had hooked up to the Pendolino and not the 57
Pendolino drag to Holyhead all over again eh 😂
So the predecessor of the 390 and even the 43 ends being the only train there in service and working
To be fair the Pendolinos do a lot more miles than the 57s these days, and the 57s break down often enough too!
@@audigex I guess, but the 57s aren't even in full service (only really just sitting in depots most of the time
Sometimes DF4D can rescue ICE3(CRH3C).
nice
Thanks!
Missed opportunity there, they should've rescued it with the kettle!
I've just realised that this Thunderbirds appellation is real ! Never initially noticed the name on the side. Are Hiram K Hackenbacker, Geoff, Gordon, Virgil, Parker all represented as well, or is it just LPCW ?
I know atleast a few other thunderbirds are represented such as Parker however I am not 100% sure if they all are however they might be I don’t know! Thanks for the comment!
Like a goods truck towing a sports sedan.
Why were there no tail lights on the rear? Should have had at least one on a bracket...I looked really carefully and there was 't even a glimmer...somebody got a "please explain"...
There was a Flashing Red light at the rear of the Pendo, bottom right. Pinch to zoom if you can . 👍👍😎😎
There *was* a clip on tail light, on the back of the Pendolina. Seen it clear as day as it pulled away. Only option they had as the panto was down and the train was without power. The rescue loco didn't appear to be supplying ETS to the failed unit.
Wasn't 307 one of the old merry-go-rounds from Knottingley back in the day?
Don't think so. 57307 was originaly 47225. According to the Class 47 website, it was delivered new to Cardiff Canton and stayed there until moving to Tinsley in 1987. By that time, I'm pretty sure all the Knottingley MGR trains were Class 56-hauled, and 47225 was allocated to a Speedlink pool and painted in Railfreight Distribution livery, when those things became things.
@@beeble2003 so they didn't just change the type number from 47 to 57 and leave the fleet number as was?
@@pajotero4219 No, they were completely renumbered into consecutive ranges 57001-12, 57301-16 and 57601-5. They were rebuilt from whatever 47s were available and in good condition. Looks like a random mix of 47/0s, /3s and /8s, plus a single /7.
@@beeble2003 interesting. Thanks :)
A 'Body Snatcher' caught in the act!?
Haha yes!
Thunderbirds are go said "Lady Penolope"..
so funny. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The track looks like it's in India or Vietnam is looks so neglected
This is a job for International Rescue.😀
ua-cam.com/video/yEpY6HGDWzw/v-deo.html That 57 appears to be a bit frisky in Notch 1?
Just seeing this video makes me think, how do Pendolinoes break down?
The pantograph had been left up draining the power I think
damn bro class 390s breaking down more often than Merseyrail's fleet of 40+ year old peps 😂😂💀
To be fair, the class 390s are over 20 years old, they ain't exactly new or modern anymore
True, but compared to older rolling stock, such as the 37, 47, 319, 507, 508, etc, it becomes an actual joke
@@ChineseTrainGuy A class 47 requires about one hour of maintenance for every two hours it spends running. A Pendolino requires one hour of maintenance for every nine hours it spends running. Please explain the joke.
Thanks guy in the red sweater for ruining the shot! 😂
Yeah, that guy should totally stop filming his video so that this guy can film his video. Having a camera in your hand doesn't mean you somehow own the platform.
All these advanced locos being pulled by an older loco stil uses for these grand old gals I was brought up just at the end of steam so I loved the locomotive not these long worms you can't beat the sound of a class 52 full throttle
When I see the diesel pulling, it's a feast for the eyes, ears and heart, but Greta would cry 🙃
Glad the "the lady" was not in pink!!
They should have International Rescue on the loco sides.
A Thunderbird rescued another engine and you didn't have the Thunderbirds theme tune playing at the end? Why not?
I agree it was a missed opportunity! 😂
6:54 wat
It’s a coupler incase it needs rescued, as seen in this video.
Is this something that ever gets practiced ?
Old trusty!
Looks a lot more faffing around than using the emergency bar coupler on an HST - but then HSTs were rarely a complete failure!
Advantages of having a spare power car
Great Footage here of Diesel and Steam Traction together ,What's going on with these Dreadful Pendelinos Passangers train has it broken down as usual ,Long live Good old English Electric Classic Diesel Traction Class 57 Named Lady Penelope to the rescue (5 4 3 2 1 🚀Thunderbirds are go )to help these 20 years old or more modern rubbish on its way nice to see the 46100 also ♥️ Steaming in and out,Fabulous ❤❤❤
Just wish they had left `Lady Penelope` in its Virgin colours, it really suited it!
I remember when the 47s were on regular front line inter City services, they were way less reliable at 20 than the pendolinos are at 20, breaking down way more often, the only reason the thunderbird seems more reliable is, they're basically a new engine on old frames/body completely refurbed, rarely used and never on high speed high loaded and intense services and when they were, they had less availability than the pendolino, so not such a great engine as you think.
And the 47s were made by Brush Traction.
@@Scots_Diesel - You beat me to it on every point. Nostalgia is a lovely thing, but the 47s were indeed very unreliable locos. Worth remembering that the 47s were retired from the Wherry Lines due to constant breakdowns and replaced with 37 short consists; 37s are older than 47s! (usually by 5-8 years). Some of the 57s have a rebuid date of 2004/5, making their engines and running gear newer than the Pendolinos 😄
@@droge192 People will never miss the chance to put on their rose-tinted glasses and spin the "modern rubbish" narrative.
You barely see the strings
I seen this a coupe of weeks ago being pulled up the bank
Bizarre coupling. Lucky Lady Penelope had the gear to do it!
Wondering if the train was full of passengers???
No passengers on board and lady Penelope has the coupling because it is a thunderbird locative which we’re all fitted with this coupling so they could carry out these rescues of pendalinos.
It's a Dellner coupling -- automatic coupling with integrated air and electrical lines.
I just love the irony. Correct me if im wrong but a Pendolino (maybe BR Class 390?) that was built between 2001 - 2004 gets rescued by a Class 57 (which to my knowledge is a modernized Class 47 from 1960) while a Steam loco is happily chugging along on a different track :)
Does anyone else feel like we might be moving in the wrong direction here ?? :)
No, we're not moving in the wrong direction. Nobody builds brand-new locomotives just for rescue duty, so the rescue locomotive will inevitably be older than the thing it rescues. Neither the 57 nor the Royal Scot is capable of running at 125mph even once, let alone for several hours a day, every day.
Looked very longwinded, getting that door open is a backbreaker, everything should work more smoother than that
No air in the air system on the Pendolino. If it still had air supply, you would only need to push a button. So you have to "fight it" to get it open. Same with the retracting coupler. You see they connect an air hose from the locomotive to get it to move forward and engage for coupling.
@@sjokomelk Cheer's for the info
SPAD at 1:37? 🤷♂️
No. Manouevres like this require constant live communication with the signalman. No movements whatsoever are made without approval. The signals are all but redundent in these cases. Especially on such a complex platform as that; with two junctions within 10' of eachother at the end of the platform. The entire 'area' (all of the track that will be used for the positioning, coupling and drawing off manouevres) is protected, and free of any other traffic. Live contact with the signalman is required to change points at each stage.
He would have had authority from the signalman to pass the signal at danger. In the old days would have been a dopsad or a call from the SPT. Guessing it's all done via GSM-R now.
Signal was displaying a single yellow with an ‘M’ in the Theatre box. You see it change to red and the ‘M’ disappear as the loco passes into section.
The 'old school' technology is the best. That's really embarrassing having a old school locomotive rescue a high tech locomotive with all the fancy electronics and high tech gizmos. It just goes to show you that new doesn't mean ' better.'
old trains break down aswell
class 390s arent locomotives
That old skool technology isn't old 😂 or it would be a 47.....only the body and main frames are probably original
@@Scots_Diesel 47s are solid trains
@@MelSabharwalFanTightPuthay Sure! but not as often.
Tampax Extractor ( Brush Class 57) at work rescuing a sick Galloping Tampax(Pendolino), the days of proper trains long gone.
Modern junk, the build quality looks dreadful. To top it all off the steam train has a pass by just to gloat! Got to love it!
Modern😂 the pendolinos have been running over 20 years on the front line between London and Glasgow that's longer than the kettles, and the pendolinos have less failure rates at over 20 years old than the 86/7's etc did when they reached a similar age and milage
You do realise that these units are over 20 years old right?
The new chinese crap electronics
@Schlipperschlopper Schlipperschlopper pendolinos are over 20 hardly new, and were built in Italy with Japanese Electronics......
And the class new class 800s are built in the UK with Japanese technology, all the rest are European or Canadian, some built here some not, but certainly no Chinese rubbish as you call it,
If the build quality is poor on an ice 8xx class loco it's the BRITISH workforce that caused it.
while what you say is true for actual modern junk, the pendolinos arent one of those, theyre not modern anymore and their build quality is top notch, hence their continued good reliability (when being looked after properly), under virgin the pendolinos were among the most reliable rolling stock on the network. what you said about built quality applies very well to the more recent hitachi trains though
Electric broken down, being passed by diesel and steam power - there's a story there somewhere..
Whoever was responsible for allowing the Dellner coupler to become the accepted standard on trains deserves to spin in their graves forever. Shoddy design and poor in practice.
Whatever happened to Keep It Simple, Stupid!
Steam loco👴 : bunch of amateurs
😂
Bring back steam trains
Track maintenance is poor..
Ew it was the royal scot was that going back to crewe
Yes going back to crewe that’s why I was originally in Carlisle that morning
@@TRAlNVlDEOS see that engine alot along with brauton sir nigel britannia and couple black 5s
What a carry on,surely they could have made coupling up a little simpler but I suppose they thought an old timer like that would Never have to rescue such Modern equipment, what a joke.
Those 'Thunderbird' class 57's were created specifically as rescue engines for the Pendolino fleet, retro-fitted with matching couplings to aid the rescue 'mission'. So actually they were intended for this purpose.
Modern equipment? The Pendolinos entered service in 2001. They're 22 years old and most have 200-250m mile on the clock.
@@droge192 Christ is that all,nearly new then,250000 is a walk in the park to most heavy trucks like Scania.
@@davidellis279 he said 250 million
The class 390s are over 20+ years old now, they ain't exactly modern equipment anymore lol
Oh dear modern crap ...gets resued by good old tried and trusted......
old trains break down aswell
Modern😂 they've been over 20 years on the front line between London and Glasgow that's longer than the kettles, and the pendolinos have less failure rates at over 20 years old than the 86/7's etc did when they reached a similar age and milage
@stuart Bromley used to be a common occurrence in the past when Pendolinos used to run on the non electrified North Coast Line to Holyhead!
@@MelSabharwalFanTightPuthay I work on a heritage railway and can confirm, old crap does indeed break down.... A lot.
thought drs had sold off all the thunder-birds and older locos i know they still own a few tractors but they sold loads off last year.
Im not 100% sure why they still have the class 57s but maybe they didn’t get any buyers or they just haven’t given them to the new owners yet
So many are required for the WCML contract to rescue the 390's etc. A new contract will go to tender and whoever wins it(LSL or ROG for example) will provide the required 6 class 57/3's for it. In the meantime DRS continue. HTH.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Thanks for this information!
I looked it up and it seems that sale was cancelled
@@TRAlNVlDEOS For now yes. Contract up for renewal soon which will mean the required number of locos will go along with the contract to a new operator.
diesel rescuing an electric. remember this well, people. :(
Um, diesel trains are electric trains too!
@@MLX1401 Only if they are not diesel-mechanical (like the Danish IC3 and IC4 running with an automatic gear box from a truck/lorry), or diesel-hydraulic.
@@sjokomelkWell said pal 😉.
Even the ultra modern CAF 195 DMU that Northern has now isn't driven by electric traction motors, her diesel engines are actually connected to ZF EcoLife 6-speed gearboxes 👍