Good-bye S-chassis; GR86 & BRZ are here! | Fuji 86 BRZ Style 2023 ft. AE86 Goodness
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The GT86, GR86, and BRZ chassis' are without question the most prevalent RWD car in Japan with huge, growing aftermarket support and fan base. With Silvia and 180SX prices through the roof, a new RWD performance platform has risen to the top of the enthusiast market. The next generation's tuning platform.
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"This must be where the power is on these" As an 86 owner there's no power hiding anywhere except in the headers. I hope a swap culture evolves around these similar to the golden era Hondas. There's k swaps getting pretty common in the US. I think the Toyota 2GR v6 would be perfect in this chassis.
iirc there hasn’t been any crazy gains with UELs on the 2nd gens like there was for the gen 1
@@censoredialoguethere more gains with el than uel but there a bit improvement with uel
Haha, dang. I thought it might be worth a few ponies but at speed I suppose it has a ram air effect...or better than without maybe. Like you said though, I'm sure the swaps will be coming. The first gen already has a good selection and I'm sure the GR86 will as well. But that said, HKS was making like 350 or 400hp on a stock FA24 and stock trans with their GTIII based turbo kit on their time attack car so it seems like there's decent potential for boosting a FA24 if the NA power adders don't do much.
Seems like header design must be one of the refinements/improvements they made with the new engine to make more jam...why let the aftermarket header companies have all the horsepower when they can do it straight away. haha
86 owner here. a fbo 2nd gen with accusump pretty much satisfy my track/autox/ occasional mountain runs. power to the weight is perfect with the fa24
This makes me glad i joined the 86 family earlier this year
Heck yeah, great platform on the way up!
Glad to see so much 86/BRZ stuff, they are so much fun to drive. And pretty much the only car left in its segment, the only other maybe the ND.
Exactly. They kind of kept this whole segment of the automobile culture alive for the past ten years or however long it's been. Miata's are definitely super popular here as well. I've just never been on board with them in terms of overall dimensions or really fitting inside one. Something about them just feels different. Maybe the backseat in these gives the same feeling of s-chassis' and other sport coupes...though they're all nearly unusable. Haha
@@BRICKHOUSESPL The usability and how good it feels out of the box is why i bought an gt86 over an ND a few years ago, can go to work, drive the kids to school, get my bike in it, buy groceries,do track days, autocross, twisty roads, winter snow drift etc :) I wanted a fairly modern sports car, so pretty much nothing else out there sadly at this price point, i just wish Toyota would have made the engine so it wouldn't be so fragile :)
@@garagecedric that's rad and a great vouch for the platform. That's my similar use case as well. These help keep some practicality. AT cars are pretty cheap and the manual swap kits are under $1,000, so they're definitely in my mind as a next project car option.
The blue one in the beginning has an Aimgain bumper.I had no idea this event was going on maybe I can go next year... Thanks for sharing!
Oh nice, I didn't know that was Aimgain. So much detail in it. Thanks for watching! And for sure, with the numbers in attendance, I would assume they'll do it again next year.
Yeah I've been thinking the same thing about these replacing 240sx. They are new, nice to daily drive, honestly the HP isn't bad and can be fixed with tuning and forced induction.
I've daily driven a 240sx with a stock sr and my new 23 BRZ feels similar in hp if not better. Yeah the turbo in the sr made the car have a surge of power but you can get the same feeling by turbocharging a BRZ/86.
At the end of the day the 240sx was a low HP drift car that could be modified however you liked and was practical to daily and saved you tires and tought good form. The 86/BRZ is just the modern day version. Low HP, unlimited mod potential, practical to daily drive, saves you tires, and teaches good form.
The 240 had its time in the 90s early 2000s. The 350z filled that hole in the 2010s. Now it's time for the 86/brz to shine.
100% Agree with all this x10. Love s-chassis but it's hard to look at them like I used to with prices as they are.
Absolutely agree with you on gt86 being new & future "go to" low cost RWD sport compact chassis w/ continuously growing aftermarket support + essentially unlimited modification options (just wish they came with any motor other than a boxer even worse a NA boxer 4 cyl) have been figuring this would be the case for quite some time especially as they chose to originally launch under scion nameplate & not Lexus or even Toyota was really only a matter of time & market value / depreciation establishing lowest pricing until eventually enough are crashed/poorly modded with no taste/ neglected maintenance and clean low mileage ones end up costing more 20+ years old w/ 100's of thousands of miles then they did even brand new w/ zero miles just like s2000's & rx7's & silvia/240's are experiencing 😊😊(Yes JUN is and has been making CF GT mirrors)
Hahaha, that's the vicious cycle of cars for sure! It took the quick adaptation of the GR86/BRZ to really highlight how popular these cars (here especially). 1st gen's looked the same for 10 years, so it was always hard to know what year they were or gauge how many were sold. With these being brand new and immediately there being a TON on the road, it really hit home how much enthusiasts have taken to these cars. Being an American and 240SX owner, a bad engine from the start is the norm. Hahaha. I'm just happy there's another lightweight, RWD chassis available for years to come.
29:32 Ayo wait up? That JGTC Tom's Castrol GT86 livery is siiiiiiiiiiick! 🤣
Hahaha, what an era mashup!
awesome video. have you ever done a “tuning 101” type of video breaking down the different engine customizations you were pointing out? been into cars my whole life but having never worked in a shop some of that stuff still loses me
Thank you! I have not done anything like that. I'll put it in the idea tumbler and see if I can figure out a way to present it. I'm always open to ideas so I appreciate the feedback. 👏
Only problem is the Subaru engine, I've heard guys doing track are having oil starvation issues, I would buy one in a heartbeat if it had a reliable Toyota engine, if the next gen has a gr Yaris engine that would be sweet!
The GR Yaris swap has to happen at some point. I can't wait to see some videos of DIY swaps at least. I'm with you though, a traditional 4 cylinder would have been awesome and even more so with a turbo. But if this joint venture is what makes this car viable to build then so be it, at least there's an entry level RWD coupe on the market.
Love reading comments on the engine in these cars from people who are clearly parroting what they read online from people who don't have any actual knowledge or perspective. Very cool culture we got here.
I see enough of these on the road here that I don't really have any reliability concerns. In terms of power, it's like the early days of s-chassis ownership in America - you either swap it or build it if you want more power.
i was driving on the highway in 2nd gen BRZ lost in thought about how the 1st gen is kinda akin to the S14 and this new gen is more like the S15, both in terms of styling/body lines and performance. glad someone else sees it too lol. love this thing
100%. For the people who were too young for peak s-chassis times, this is their s-chassis. I just don't want people to miss what's in front of them while dropping silly money on 30 year cars.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL as a 25 year old, this is my first RWD car. i saw the potential ever since the first gen debuted when i was in high school. super excited to see how far this platform continues to be pushed over the next couple decades
@@censoredialogue that's a great RWD car to start with!
Did a few laps of our track in a GR86 on the weekend. Very easy to drive as fast as I feel comfortable driving someone else's car.
Good cars.
That's rad. Still have yet to drive one of either generation but that's what I've heard about the GR86. Seems like they really made it a nice step up over the first gen.
I like the GR86 a lot more than the GT86/BRZ. Of course these are the chassis of the future there are no alternative in the same price range, size
and configuration.
AE86 FTW
Great Video of the event
100%. It's in a category of it's own really and hasn't had any competition for the past decade. If you can get over the NA power or boxer powerplant, it really doesn't have the original AE86 philosophy at heart. Still haven't driven one though! haha
Great video as always! This event looks awesome and it's cool to see this chassis getting so much love now
Appreciate that! I think it's only up from here with the 1st or 2nd gen.
This car has great potential chassis/suspension-wise -- I remember Tsuchiya and Max Orido's review when it just came out. The owners just have to be proactive with the engine oiling issues that are brought about by g-forces when turning right -- probably the first modification owners should make when they're into trackdays and motorsports events.
For sure. As the aftermarket keeps growing and things like this become common knowledge, it will just become a routine "mod" versus a demerit to the car. Kind of like checking B-series valve lash, adding an oil cooler for SR's, etc. It's just a rough spell for the early adapters while they sort out the issues and pave the way for the rest of us.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL Totally agree with it being a bad surprise for those who did 'full send' days on the track and ended losing their engine.
New car = expensive replacement engine
Good to see you back on UA-cam😇❤️ What do you think about visiting some racing shops for your future videos? Reverse, Quarter Mile, Zesty, Trial?
Thanks! Trying to get more consistent again. Those are good ideas for shop visits. The Quarter Mile cars at Tsukuba definitely stand out in my mind as cool builds.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL Absolutely. I sent a message in Instagram about visiting this shops together, because I plan to get to Japan soon😇🙏
"oem plus plusie" HAHAHA Love it.
Hahaha, I probably need to think of a better term versus just stacking more plus' on. haha Thanks for watching!
Really enjoy your videos! Love seeing the ae86s as i have my own and I have always like the idea of owning gt86 to go with, but the subaru engine always throws me a little off i would have to put a toyota engine in it like a beams swap 😂😂 and as for replacement of the s chassis i can see that but atleast here in the states I dont really see any brz/86 cars at drift events yet mostly the 350z is holding the s chassis replacement for us
That would be a neat pair! For me, the similarity to s-chassis lies in the fact that, just like 240's, you have to build the motor/turbo it or engine swap it to make power. Great base chassis to build on. Z's are just this magical unicorn that has an indestructible drivetrain and an engine that make all the jam you need to have fun and not enough to hurt itself. hahaha. Z's are definitely a better drift car base.
Also agree on RG4, OG RG was always my favorite wheel over the years but now my favorite is RZII's & most recently the tc4's really grew on me glad I waited to order tc4 set tho as the new tc4se w/ machine center similar to tc3. Curious what's your opinion on the RGD2's I just sold mine to switch to rg4
RZII's and TC4's are both rad. Advan has a lot of good wheels at the moment. I've shipped quite a few GT's for customers via @jdmwheels.co and they are impressively lightweight as well while being a bit more "aggressive" looking than TC4's (obviously being forged comes at a cost). I like RGD's but not really into RGD2's - at least in the smaller diameters that would fit my DC2 - as the spokes kind of lack definition. They just curve like half circles versus like swooping out and hooking down like the other RG models (the more grappling hook design). Just my opinion anyway. They're super popular with Suzuki Swift and Roadster/Miata owners since they're offered in good 4x100 sizes.
I like to call the new GR86 a S16
Its just feel right
Yeah, pretty much. It feels like a big reset is happening right now and the 86/BRZ is poised to take over as the RWD car of choice.
I have no idea how you know all these manufacturers kits😂
I mean I'm cheating the whole time since the vendor booth is right behind the cars. hahaha. But really after seeing them at TAS the past few years, I've become a bit more familiar with them.
Big fan of the new BRZ/GR86 style
100%. Can't go wrong with either. Great styling all around!
I love this chassis ! 🔥🔥🔥
It's a good one! Really saving the market singlehandedly.
So dope, makes me want to put a gr86 together!!!
Absolutely, can't argue with the body style. Best looking sports coupe out there.
SOOOO GOOOD MAKES ME WANNA CASH ONE OUT!
Love the GR86 design. Great sport coupe vibes.
love this car
Great looking platform for sure!
86s look good but man for it being “the new s chassis” I really wish the motor wasn’t hot garbage. Having to have deep pockets just to make 400 horse is really annoying.
Are you forgetting that 240SX's engine was also hot garbage?? Hahaha 240's still going down in the books as one of the greatest tuning platforms in history. I hear you though. I really wish some things were done differently with the engine configuration but at least there's a plentiful affordable RWD chassis available on the secondhand (and new) market.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL yeah at least there was a better jdm option for those cars. I’m 2 ej25 builds in and I’m done with those motors. My fiancé loves her Subarus but after building a Cummins, powerstroke and my RB26 I’ve seen the light lol no more boxers for me. I’ve even owned a 2017 brz and loved it! All except for one part… lol
Btw this isn’t a dig on the video, I still like content on these cars and your videos are great!
@@Jrob992 no offense taken at all! I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment. :)
I always wondered if there was a EJ or factory turbo Subaru engine that would swap into these easy? Maybe the electronics or trans bellhousing make it a pain in the rear? It just always seemed like the obvious upgrade path like SR swapping a 240...but maybe that's wishful thinking that these are Legos like Nissans are.
god i want the INGS+1 front bumper on my ZD8
Super unique, right? Pretty rad design that looks purposeful.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL yeah it reminds me of a catfish which is nice cuz the new BRZ bumper already has a koi fish look to it
@@censoredialogue haha, haven't heard that before!
Feel like this is just for me 😊
You know it! Haha. I'll just keep living vicariously through you until I get one.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL time to throw some parts at it then
@@martindeoliveira5128 let's do it! 😁😁
The new s chassis
It really is the budget, lightweight RWD chassis for a new generation.
No Aimgain GR86, this wait on mine is killing me...
Their GTS kit for the GR86 is pretty sick. Like almost OEM looking super aggressive front bumper.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL yeah I love it, I was told 2-4 month wait, only 1 month in though. Excited to get it installed!
Does UA-cam unsubscribe people? I’ve been a subscriber since the start of the DC2 build but I just checked and I wasn’t a subscriber anymore.
Oh wow, that is weird. I'm not sure. Maybe you did the ol' "drop your phone and accidentally bump unsubscribe while catching it" move. hahaha
@@BRICKHOUSESPL haha, totally!
engine is junk
Kind of like 240SX's. The only ways to make power were to build the engine and turbo the KA or swap them.
@@BRICKHOUSESPL in america. in japan they had the ca and the sr
@@asdfasdf-rb3oq yeah for sure, but they have a similar feel to my 240SX days. The engine being the biggest hurdle. Even a budget SR swap 10 years ago would cost about the same as a bolt-on Trust turbo kit for one of these. Feels similar to me for those of us who weren't fortunate to get SRs and CAs from the factory.