4x4 Timber Trailer Build - START to FINISH
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2022
- Building a 4x4 PTO driven timber trailer with hydraulic crane from start to finish. This project has been a dream of mine probably for a decade and now it's reality. The custom PTO shaft between UTV and the trailer still needs to be fabricated.
Trailer specs:
* 28x11-14" tires & 14" rims
* width 1500mm, length 5000mm, height 1900mm
* tandem axles with homemade chain housings
* BMW E39 530D differential with 2.81 gearing (identical to the UTV diffs)
* hydraulic crane with a boom & grapple for easier log loading & handling
* independent hydraulic power pack
* radio controlled hydraulic winch on the boom
* load capacity - 1-1,5 metric tonne
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4x4 PTO Driven Timber Trailer BUILD series: • 4x4 PTO Driven Timber ...
Homemade 4x4 UTV build: • 4x4 Off-Road UTV Build
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Welding equipment borrowed from Spetselektroodi AS, Estonia:
Fronius TransSteel 2700 welder
Optrel Crystal 2.0 Welding Helmet
Hypertherm Powermax 45 XP plasma cutter - Авто та транспорт
More fabrication videos on ua-cam.com/users/DonnDIYvideos
Just in time for the most expensive winter for people who need to buy wood, instead of collecting 💪🤓
Well done! What is the weight of the trailer?
@@TheStuartstardust 000p
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I have faithfully followed this entire build from day one, so I think I have some standing in the game and I think I speak for a majority of your viewers when I say that we want to see a full video devoted to ONLY you and your trailer/atv in the woods filling that trailer up to the top with logs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the winter being pulled through a ton of snow
Waiting to see the PTO shaft hooked up and in action 👍👍
me too. I foresee problems arising when he tries to move the axle position on the trailer, when it's still got the PTO hooked to the ATV.
Gears binding up and what not. Unless there is a clutch of some description that can be released and re-engaged once desired wheel position is achieved.
That's my 2 cent take on it. Otherwise, I think it's freaking awesome of a build.
Edit: I re-read my comment and realise that I forgot to add part of what I meant to say, and that was; Unless there is a clutch of some description "that can be fitted", that can be released and re-engaged once desired wheel position is achieved.
Sorry, sometimes I miss part of what I intend to type.
@@TheHungrySlug In view of the alignment challenge I was thinking he might be planning to use a hydraulic drive mounted at the front end of the trailer’s drive shaft.
👍👍👍PTO hook up👍👍👍
👍👍👍PTO hook up👍👍👍
👍👍👍PTO hook up👍👍👍
@@TheHungrySlug There's no clutch. There's also a bigger problem that I'm pretty sure he's going to find. This isn't an easy concept to get across, but basically, If you have a normal trailer and pull the drag bar around at 90' to the usual direction of travel, one wheel will rotate forwards, but the other will go backwards. that's fine on separate free wheeling hubs. If on the other hand, you have a differential in there and do the same you'll end up with the forward rotation of one wheel cancelling out the reversed rotation of the other, and the input shaft will stay still, but if you're powering that input shaft, the trailer WILL move.
When doing tight manoeuvres, like U turns, there's going to be times when the ATV is at quite a large angle to the log trailer. The powered trailer wheels are still going to be trying to move along at the same speed as the ATV's wheels, but the ATV will be traveling at a tangent, so it won't be moving as far in the direction that the trailers pointing per wheel revolution as the trailer want's to (I think Pythagoras get's the blame for that). So, what's going to happen is as the ATV turns, the trailers going to start trying to push it. As the angle between the trailer and ATV increases, the difference in distance the ATV moves Vs how far the trailer wants to move grows, until it jack knifes the ATV. when the trailers loaded it's likely to have more grip than the ATV, so this will make the problem show up sooner. The scary part is that as soon as the ATV starts to get pushed, it'll escalate into a full on jack knife fast, and there won't be much time to do anything about it.
I'm not just theorising here either. Years back the British army experimented with PTO powered trailers for their Landrovers, and after several injuries due to jack knifing, they realised that having assets occasionally needing to be pulled out of mud/sand was preferable to having the asset damaged and stranded on it's side in a war zone (with the crew potentially injured). There's also been problems with a few other army's attempts at AWD articulated vehicles. It's a known issue that seems to have been largely forgotten due to there being hardly any "Dumb" (Rather than ones having a proprietary clutch and sensor system built in) PTO powered trailers existing anymore......... And the reason for them not being common is this exact problem ! I think the last powered trailer I read about used a PTO driven pump to power hydraulic motors on the wheels, and it used a proportional valve to adjust the flow to the motors based on the hitch angle. The manufacturer wouldn't have gone to all the added expense if a direct drive worked as is.
I originally brought this up a few months back, but a handful of sycophantic fans shot me down for daring to question the all encompassing knowledge of Donn. The guy's human, and he can't see every engineering problem before it happens, but I was blasted hard enough that I decided to just wait for it to be finished and see what happens. I'm guessing the next video will most likely show who's right.
One solution that I suggested back then was that he could remove this problem (and incidentally remove the problem with the wheels turning while changing the wheelbase) by fitting a viscus drive coupling from a Landrover Freelander onto the trailers drive shaft. This would mean the trailers wheels would almost freewheel until the ATV started to wheelspin, then difference in wheel speeds would wake up the viscus coupling and send drive to all wheels.
Absolutely
Восхитительный проект, смотрел с самого начала и до последней серии. Шикарная установка получилась, прицеп с манипулятором, ещё с подключаемым приводом, изменяемым центром нагрузки, супер!!! По виду как с завода, даже лучше. Молодец, слов нет. Руки золотые. Смотрел так же как мастерскую под резак готовил, убирал старое оборудование, пол переделывал, стены прошивал панелями, в итоге станок собрал, резак по металлу. Моё вам почтение, уважаю трудолюбивых, целеустремлённых людей. Спасибо за видео.
Да у него оборудования столько, что не в каждом заводе России есть
это очень занудный холостой непьющий человек ))))
@@user-em2xx7yt6f 🤣🤣🤣👋👋👋....
Why have you not hooked up the trailer drive to the PTO?
@@user-bf2hf5wr3g что-то не заметил каких то мощных станков. Ты о чем вообще
Donn
Brilliant , Now 86 just got my shop functional, Have to look to you young guys for wisdom, Feel like a kid again. Thanks MEL
Великолепно! Уровень - промышленный, может даже и выше. Продумано и предусмотрено кажется всё, и - реализовано. Идеальная сварка. Браво!👍
ELIASPETERI ANUY LIIKOTILA
The unit warrants full production.
Your work is excellent! ✅
Класс все серии смотрел ждал завершения проекта, ждём испытаний в лесу как эта техника себя покажет.
Долго же мы ждали завершения проекта. Ты молодец. Получилось супер. Хочу себе такой же😁💪👍
I`m proud to know that you are polish , smart and hard working citizen of my country
Thank you for the kind words, but I'm estonian from Estonia. But still - not far from Poland. So basically the same.😀
Your ingenuity and perseverance are impressive. The final product really turned out well, probably better than anything you could buy.👍
ELIASPETERI ANUY LIIKOTILA
ELIASPETERI ANUY LIIKOTILA
❤❤❤🥰
The one UA-camrs video you like before watching
Straight facts
I've followed this build since the beginning. I've been a machinist/fabber for 35 yrs. EXCELLENT job. A++!
Всем привет, следил за всем процессом от начала и до конца, отличная серия самоделки. Что будет дальше? Ждем новых проектов!!!
эстонец молодец , удачи тебе и новых сильных проектов , с уважением из россии....
Поддерживаю!
Однозначно!
Великолепная работа , продолжай !
Living in life you see a lot of different people doing different things, watching UA-cam you see a lot more. Don DIY I have to say as a fabricator extraordinaire, every single thing I have ever seen him do he has taken to the Limit of expertise. All of his projects have been absolutely the greatest to watch thank you so much for sharing the things that you do.
You’re amazing! I’ve been a welder/ fabricator as my career for almost 50 years & my hobby for longer! You’re a phenomenal fabricator!
Absolutely amazing Donny. Your skills are unparalleled & you never cease to impress. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm afraid your next project will have to be very spectacular to rival this built. Billy J.... Queensland, Australia.
Palju õnne suure töö valmis saamise puhul✌️👍👌🤠
Suured tänud!👋
It’s been an amazing build to watch! You are a true craftsman! Thanks for taking us all along on the journey!
This is an awesome project! Lots of work you have done with this. The hydraulically sliding axle is good for helping out as well when you are stuck. And if the wheel bearings won't hold the weight then the sleeves are an option to space up the outer bearing. Cheers mate! 👍 Waiting for the demo day! 😜
Gonna go to the forest and take down some spruce killed by bark beetles and turn it into firewood. The trailer will get tested properly.👌😉
@@DonnDIY Awesome! When are we going to see the video? Absolutely blown away by your skills! Subscribed!
I loved the whole process, always waiting for the project updates. It turned out amazing. Keep up this great work!
ELIASPETERI ANUY LIIKOTILA ❤❤🥰
Wow!! That turned out great , a very nice trailer I think that would make wood cutting fun again!
отличная работа, завидую твоей упертости! в хорошем смысле)
Awesome work!
You may want to add a slipper clutch to the rear pro shaft. That way when your making turns you don’t get drive line bind. Looks great!
Same with moving the axle back and forth
I don't think it will bind with an open differential.
Отличная работа, этой зимой окупится
Your skills are pretty amazing! I enjoyed every single episode of this timber trailer fabrication and can't wait to see what come up with your next project! Keep doing that amazing stuff! All the best for you!
Ok, 51:54 one thing you should strongly consider to extend the life of those bearings is adding boots and caps over them (the outside ones). You're never going to flex this trailer past... 45 degrees, that'd be troublesome for the way it balances, so IMO, you could get a bellow boot for something like a machinery piston and make a small bracket to hold them. The outside is easy, just a plain old cap made from even a dish bowl like shape that bolts over it.
In my own experience, those kinds of bearings don't last long when grit gets in them.
Other than that 12/10 project. This looks like something i'd go to the agricultural shop to buy. Pro level.
Отлично огромную работу проделал друг.
What an amazing fabricator you are. Inception though to paint and demonstration.
One thing - you never showed the drive shaft of the trailer being driven by the PTO on the "tractor", or did I miss that?
It seems to me you err on the side of strength in your designs, which is natural when you aren't sure. I wonder if some nice software company out there could train you on the FEA software so you could lighten the design and therefore the end product? You certainly deserve to be supported by the latest computer aided design software.
Хорошая работа и задумка неплохая...
При наличии такого количества инструмента и станков можно и космический шатл построить=)
А так красавчик - руки из правильного места растут.
Мне вот интересно сколько стоит подобный готовый прицеп и сколько прицеп обошёлся тебе если ты строил его сам?!
Полностью согласен. Построить такой-же прицеп у нас в России просто фантастика.
@@user-ei6qo3kv7s ну не такая фантастика! Вопрос где ездить с ним - регистрацию на него не получить пока не будет сертификата и тестов с НАМИ! А если поймают в лесу с дровами то влепят такой штраф и прицеп на штраф стоянку с которой его будет не забрать без документов на него и штраф за дрова будет такой, что проще купить эти дрова.
@@user-vu3gx7eo9i по сути это прицеп к минитрактору. Минитрактору продаются заводские, ещё больше строится самодельных. Ни кто их не сертифицирует и не регистрирует. Если не соваться на ДОПы Вы мало кому интересны.
@@dimson5851 раз в год и палка стреляет =)
@@user-vu3gx7eo9i если Вы не нарушаете закон, то и Вас ни кто не тронет. Не выезжайте на ДОП, не воруйте лес, и т.д.
Блокбастер!!!
Поздравляю тебя!!!
Великолепный результат упорного труда!
Has been such a nice project to follow! Cant wait to see what you come up with next🤟🏼
Fantastic machine! It’s going to make log processing so much quicker and easier- super important in these times of ridiculous energy costs.
You are a very talented engineer Donn 👏👍
Вы просто прекрасный инженер изобретатель!!!
You should add a hard metal net on the frame, if a log slips from the claws and falls on it can damage your hydraulic piston!
Excellent job 👏👏
Отличная 🤝работа👍👍👍
Enjoyed this, in my experience there is one issue with powered trailers to be aware of - if the towing vehicle looses traction but the trailer doesn’t they can jackknife and turn the vehicle over.
The jackknife would be in slow motion, you never back up fast with a trailer full of logs anyway.
Bob the ones that happened to me were going forwards in a turn and happen at what ever speed you are moving. If it’s slow enough you can get the clutch in first.
@@kiddoduke2103 It's definitely something you have to be aware of and a lot of other things.
Молодец. Внукам ещё достанется в наследство.
I love home built equipment. I have done some on my channel and enjoy it so much!
Just checked out your channel, good stuff!
That is amazing, worth the wait watching as you built this. Just curious, why didn't you show it with the PTO hooked up, are you waiting for the right shaft or are there complications? Thank you for all of the amazing content amd entertainment, cannot wait to see what your next big fabrication project is!
Great project with a fabulous looking result, can't wait to see it on challenging ground with the pto connected and full of timber.
Well done Donn, you inspire a lot of us "Freds in sheds", keep it up. Have you got the next project on the drawing board yet?
ELIASPETERI ANUY LIIKOTILA
Donny you've made a monstrous beast. Nice work. Now you'll be hauling huge logs out of the thickest backcountry.
Ive never seen a atv trailer with an bmw e39 diff, you metal magician! Love the build!
Looking forward to seeing pto drive being used. Presumably the trailer’s axle position is set first, before the shaft is connected. I have a homemade log saw, the pto shaft on it has an overrun clutch built in. Could this be used to help lineup the splines when connecting the pto shaft? Love the build.
They sell a one-way clutch for the old Ford (Ferguson) 8N and similar tractors with the solid PTO output drive.
Such a one-way clutch is essential on these old tractors because a large bush-hog or similar high speed implement will keep pushing the tractor forward even if you step on the clutch.
Not having this clutch Makes for interesting driving around ponds and buildings especially since the brakes are quite useless.
Donn could install this commercially available one-way clutch and eliminate any driveshaft binding.
The clutch would also act as a simple center differential when driving in tight corners.
@@carld3184 it serves the opposite purpose for my log saw. The 700mm blade has quite a lot of momentum. If I switch the pto off, the tractor brakes the pto. The momentum of the blade would wind the blade’s retaining nut off, if not for the overrun clutch. We have an IH B275 from 1960, terrible brakes.
Hi, as always, I'm duly impressed with your technical and fabrication skills. However, unless I've missed it, I didn't see an explanation of why there is no shaft connecting the trailer PTO to the UTV PTO. Without that connection, what was the point of fabricating those chain drives - it's just another logging trailer with a mini-crane bolted on and an adjustable center-of-gravity? I'm an old man with limited education, so maybe I'm not understanding what I'm seeing correctly. Can you explain it to me in terms I can understand? Thank you.
I could be wrong but it seems to me that the pto is turning the wrong way. so if the car goes forward the trailer wheel will turn backwards
That will come later I guess. PTO needs a clutch, to move the trailer axles without binding up the PTO.
@@marcalmarcos9 not sure on that ,, video will mess with the turning of things ,, watch the tires on some movies and the car is going forward and the tires are going backwards ,,if they use a very costly camera it solves that problem ,, not sure if its backwards or if its the video ..In my comment I was asking Donn if when he was moving the axle back and forth the tires were turning the driveshaft ,, maybe it was making the UTV drive back and forth also .. PTO is hooked to the drive shaft if I remember ,, so if you twist the PTO the UTV will move ..?
Mike, You are correct for a normal tractor PTO. The PTO drive would be backwards. I don't know about a UTV.
Also the PTO would only work or match the speed in a single gear (if it turned the correct direction).
I am also waiting for the PTO to be connected as well as some expanded metal sides to contain short pieces and split firewood. You are an amazing engineer and fabricator as well as a pleasure to watch.
Nice one excellent work very well done ✅
This has turned out so good! It looks amazing and can't wait to see it perform when driven by the PTO. Do you have a plan for extending and retracting the wheelbase while connected to the PTO, or will you just disconnect it while you make any changes?
The wheels move back and forth with a sliding drive shaft. The pto shaft is a farm shaft that can expand great lengths.
@@kameljoe21 I understand that, but as the wheels are moved, there is rotation in the PTO shaft. If the 4X4 is stationary, how will this work? There would need to be either a slipper clutch or some way of disconnecting the PTO from the 4X4
@@MalcySP The pto comes out of of the rear of the ATV which spins at the same rate as the wheels on the atv. The diff is the PTO pretty much. The quick change pto adapter connects to the trailer which then drives the rear wheels. Think of it like this, The drive shaft rotates the atv wheels and that same drive shaft rotates the trailer wheels. They are all connected as one unit. Much like a US Semi with tandem axes would. The pto shaft just expands in and out. Square tube inside of another square tube turn the rear diff connencted to the wheels. The only time you need to remove the pto shaft is when you disconnect the trailer.
@@kameljoe21 watch the video when Donn is extending and retracting the wheels on the trailer. The wheels are on the ground and you can see the diff input shaft (ultimately connected to the PTO output of the ATV) rotating as the wheels move alomg the ground. So if the PTO was connected to the ATV and the wheelbase is adjusted, then the PTO will try to move but as the ATV is stationary, something will need to slip or be disconnected.
@@kameljoe21 what he means is, as the trailer extends when the ATV is stationary, the trailers wheels will turn as the hydralic cylinder pushes them backwards, this will create a rotation in all 4 trailer wheels and if the ATV cannot roll there needs to be some sort of clutch or disconnecting the shaft so it doesn't cause damage. This would not cause a problem if the ATV can roll (eg the park brake isn't on)
Колоссальная проделанная работа!
we didnt see those trailer wheels conected,and gripping .. great work!!!
You're the UA-cam DIY GOAT! The One Man Manufacture!!
Genius son just genius, that is proper fabrication and welding skill’s sir.
As a big fan of Made In Poland, i'm shocked i haven't found you until now. Awesome work!
Can’t wait for the ultimate wood harvesting video from Donnie. Cutting down the trees and hauling with this all the way to being stacked in the totes with his conveyor belt.
That was worth every minute of time watching this👍😂🤷♂️
Nice build! I pick up my bigger logs with my tractor, then hold them over a wagon while I cut them to length. Then using a board, I roll them right onto my splitters beam and split them. That saves a LOT of back breaking work, not having to lift those heavy rounds by hand. My splitter shoves the splits right off the end onto a grate and then right into my "self-unloading" trailer! That saves even more work! SR
Du bist ein Meister deines Faches es lebe das Handwerk
What an absolute genius. Your amazing.
Thank you for watching🙏
you should get an award
EXCELLENT JOB DONN, awesome video and enjoyed every step of the way with you. You have a very helpful and "YOU CAN DO IT" video every time you fire up the cameras. It's been a pleasure watching this build and I'm sure we will be going back to view it more. Thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
WOW! Not only do you have the machinery to build something like this. You are amazingly talented, skilled and clearly a perfectionist. Excellent work!
That finished very well. Just goes to prove that good work comes from the man, not the environment. A good environment is only a help ! Well done.
I watched the series from the beginning you really nailed it!! This is something different it works really really well and it's even kind of good looking aswell very handy and awesome job can't wait to see the next project.. I am curious what you are coming with next keep it up and make things your own I love this trailer and atv
You are so genius! Unbelievable!
Excellent work! I really enjoyed the video. I did want to see the drive shaft hooked all the way up, but maybe that's just for snow. I made a 10K trailer and a small crane for urban logging and collecting firewood. This fall I made an extension for the crane to go up 18' so I could put shingles and plywood on my roof from the trailer. It's come in handy. My crane pivots in a 6.5" pipe 12" long sleeved with copper and a 6" pipe on the bottom of the crane slides in it.
Love seeing a man with a brain,making a useful tool for making work easier,I cut lots of firewood also would love seeing the design better,well done!!!
It is ALIVE!!!! Awesome 👍👍👍Thank you for sharing. Take care of yourself 🇨🇦
38:08 Are those Vans and a skateboard?! I'd love to see Donn make a custom set of precision skateboard trucks! 🛹
Да я чуть не расплакался, что ему гайки не подносил. Шедеврально!!!!!!!!!! А сварка... Вообще на 5+.
That's beautiful design and workmanship.
While I believe that I could learn to skills needed to build this I would never have the vision to design it. That’s more impressive to me than the fabrication.
Very cool and absolutely beautiful job. I love it and sure wish I had something like that many years ago.
It is a real back saver. And now since building it I do not dread the process of hauling and making firewood anymore.👍
3 cups of coffee and complete satisfaction for the morning. Great job!
You are a mechanical genius!!!
I am watching all your videos and it strikes me all the time how good you are. Thanks for sharing your projects with us.
Kindest regards, Rolf Englund👍🏻😃👍🏻
Definitely want to see this thing getting tested out in the wild and being put thru it’s paces! Very sweet build!
чувак,ты большой МАСТЕР!!!
My friend you are a fabricating genius.
Just perfect!! Your mind is Sharp!
I think it's better to protect the main shaft of the trailler by using a protection metal cover in case of wood touch
You are the best I’ve ever seen sir
Красава парняга 💪🏻 definitely like, good job !
1 word... Genius. Cant wait to see you drive it loaded in the snow..
Well, I can assure you we won't be seeing any products from this shop blowing away down the neighborhood along with the other trampolines and garbage cans. This adds emphasis and understanding to the old phrase, "heavy man, that's heavy!" Kudos
What a fantastic build! This video really showed your machinist and engineering ability’s.
That claw will be such a labor, and back saving device.
Really want to see it operating as an 8X8!
thats incredibly well done ... so well finished. l do alot myself and l have to admit l need to lift my game to catch you..
again well done..!!!
I am honestly not sure what’s more impressive, you’re creativity or you’re skill. Congratulations man, this is an extremely impressive build and I have enjoyed watching this
YOU WENT THROUGH A HELL OF A LOT OF WORK TO GET THAT DONE . THIS IS THE FIREST TIME I WATCHED IT ALL THE WAY FROM THE START . YOU DID ONE HELL OF A JOB .
Thank you 🙏 for great 👍 job with joyful tools ⚒️ 🧰 big and small 👏👏👏great idea 💡👍🎥
Didn’t see the pro work. Great work with a lot of equipment.
GREAT WORK MATE 👏 👍
KIND REGARDS
Thank you!
Beautiful piece of work
Talk about over engineered, that thing is a beast & should last forever & a bit, I love it.
Wow! My hat to you Donn, absolutely brilliant! Thank you for sharing your ingenuity and "savoir-faire" with the community. You are giving me hope in mankind - Peace be with you, Ciao, L (Veteran)
В моём словаре нет тех эпитетов, которые могут выразить восхищение! Талант!
С глубоким уважением,
Наиль, Казань
You sir are a badass. I build stuff all the time and you have my respect
What a great build you sir are a very clever man it work's so well
Regards
Steve UK London
Beautiful work, necelý dobe, great skills
Dude let me just say that your skills are priceless, your level of professionalism is on its own level👍🇺🇲
Thats PRO level.