I ride similar setup with BBSHD,855 asi controller,72V Molicels (20s4p), full suspension Diamondback mission pro bike,Saint quad piston brakes,upgraded steel hub body with Sunrace 10 speed steel cassette on DT Swiss 240 hubs 24T ratchet and have pushed over 5Kw with no problems. 56lbs, Build the bike right and it can handle just about anything. Worst thing that has ever happened was snapping a quick link on a standard KMC chain. 5 min. Fix and back up and running. Dual riding modes with the Eggrider display allows for a fantastic pedal bike or off-road beast. About to hit 60 yrs old and I ride my bike with the utmost respect on all my trails and bike paths. I get the complaint but it certainly isn’t coming from my riding. Love that crazy torque feel Johnny when needed!
A compelling bike for sure and because I am a speed lover as many of your subscribers are, I would consider building one with one exception. Biggest problem with a dual suspension bike, even one size Large and I prefer an XL frame size because I am tallish, is as mentioned, room for a decent battery capacity. 9 amp-hr's just isn't enough for my preference. I like 20-20 amp-hr with a hungry motor size. Having 72v means more cells in series which eats up room in the battery enclosure for parallel cells which provides battery capacity and more range on the bike per single charge. There maybe a dual suspension frame out there that will fit both a big voltage and higher amp-hr battery but most triangles with dual suspension bikes today are very compact for stiffness for structure for the rear shock. This is most of the reason I haven't built a 72v dual suspension bike as much fun as it would be. That thing must be amazing to ride. Thanks Johnny. Awesome build.
This bike with the Photon and a 52V 10Ah battery would be perfect. Have you had luck with ISCG tabs using a Photon motor? I'm assuming at least one of the tabs would need to be ground down. Love these builds!
My T8 is a cloud on rocky downhills. The suspension encourages you to ride harder than the brakes can handle in stock form. With that added weight you'd have to really watch out for brake fade.
does it have the stock rear hub still on ? i m getting the same build( same gear ratio etc ) but after digging into the nitty gritty , a pretty serious upgrade is needed rear hub.. 4 piston brakes ,sturdier rims spokes etc
people who doesn't understand how gear works should not use this kind of bike, else they will snap their chains all the time. i always shift my gear to the 5th biggest gear before stopping. that way, when ever i start cranking it up, the motor won't work very hard and snap the chain cause it's not sensing too much torque.
Supercool! I want to convert my Commencal Meta Trail from 2022 to an ebike. Not sure yet if to go for X1 Pro or Photon... or which battery would fit... any tips?
I have a specialized enduro that's 20 years old, but I have completely restored it to new and converted it to a 1x10. Do you think it could handle something like this?
have you used the Android APP: Speeed to tune/dial each of the power levels by Amps..? you will need the programming cable hooked to the correct USB for your phone/tablet.. But that will allow find tuning of the power levels.. I have it for my Bafang mid drives..Cost is $0 APP, and under $25 for the programming cable and USB adapter .. Better than the LUNA cycle box that does the same for $150..
Personally I do not want something that does wheelies. What is more important to me is range, climbing and not overheating. I like to smell the roses when I ride. I know some others are more worried about top speed …
I built a 2016 Trek Fuel full suspension with BBSHD and 52 V 20AH batt in the triangle. Two gripes. BBSHD hangs lower than 52 tooth chain ring and 29 inch wheels are not as rigid as smaller wheels. Can feel some flex when letting off throttle at high speed in high gear. Makes me nervous. Anyone know of a modern dual suspension bike with large triangle?
I literally have a Trek Fuel EX5 large that I want to convert but I'm in the same boat. I want at least 20ah capacity, and twist throttle. My other thoughts are will the Rock Shox hold up and mine is a 29er too. I just don't want to end up being 3k into this build when I could have just got a used suron, or a new 72v rawrr mantis x.
The problem is that 100% of folks owning something like this don't dial it back legally and yes, they are ruining it for everyone. Automobiles have proven we cannot be trusted to do the right thing, or obey the law at all. Those brakes, those very brakes, were not even designed to stop that bike stock! They are for a
I would never want an old maid like yourself to ruin it for enthusiasts. You sir are unamerican. A woke, beta male who wants to control other people. Alfa's will never let betas control them...ever. I am both an automotive engineer and have worked with NHSTA throughout a long career. I grew up building racing cars and motorcycles. You...should only speak for 'yourself'. No, 'you' should never ride this ebike. It is way above your talent level. But for a guy like me who has raced motorcycles both on and off road, this bike would be a 'piece of cake' to ride. Why? Because I could control the power. I own a 2000w, 45 lb, drop bar road bike that will do 40mph with 'rim brakes'. I ride it on many days I am not riding something else either faster or slower. 10's of thousands of miles. It rides perfectly and perfectly safe with 28c tires 'in the right hands.' So speak among your liberal, beta peers who have no talent to ride high power machines. Don't bring your sniveling here.
@@jakeyoung2092this thing isn't much different than a surron for all intents and purposes. Except it has more power on a frame that wasn't built for it.
The bike looks great but the ugly battery and mounting looks ghetto and ugly. It would be nice with all your experience if you could work on the looks a little more. Also you were going to weigh it but left that out. bummer.
I ride similar setup with BBSHD,855 asi controller,72V Molicels (20s4p), full suspension Diamondback mission pro bike,Saint quad piston brakes,upgraded steel hub body with Sunrace 10 speed steel cassette on DT Swiss 240 hubs 24T ratchet and have pushed over 5Kw with no problems. 56lbs, Build the bike right and it can handle just about anything. Worst thing that has ever happened was snapping a quick link on a standard KMC chain. 5 min. Fix and back up and running. Dual riding modes with the Eggrider display allows for a fantastic pedal bike or off-road beast. About to hit 60 yrs old and I ride my bike with the utmost respect on all my trails and bike paths. I get the complaint but it certainly isn’t coming from my riding. Love that crazy torque feel Johnny when needed!
50 mph , 50 lbs is insane .
Whoa! That's way more bike than I'd ever need!
A compelling bike for sure and because I am a speed lover as many of your subscribers are, I would consider building one with one exception. Biggest problem with a dual suspension bike, even one size Large and I prefer an XL frame size because I am tallish, is as mentioned, room for a decent battery capacity. 9 amp-hr's just isn't enough for my preference. I like 20-20 amp-hr with a hungry motor size. Having 72v means more cells in series which eats up room in the battery enclosure for parallel cells which provides battery capacity and more range on the bike per single charge. There maybe a dual suspension frame out there that will fit both a big voltage and higher amp-hr battery but most triangles with dual suspension bikes today are very compact for stiffness for structure for the rear shock.
This is most of the reason I haven't built a 72v dual suspension bike as much fun as it would be.
That thing must be amazing to ride.
Thanks Johnny. Awesome build.
Check out the Dimondback Yowie. I has a good triangle and the shock is tucked out of the way.
Great powerplant! I would personally like to see this setup on a hardtail so a triangle battery or at least a 20-25ah 52v version could be used.
This bike with the Photon and a 52V 10Ah battery would be perfect. Have you had luck with ISCG tabs using a Photon motor? I'm assuming at least one of the tabs would need to be ground down. Love these builds!
They're going to be dusting everyone on the trails.
Beyond a sweet build. A rear rack? I'd add a front rack, and carry dumbells to avoid unplanned wheelies.😂
My T8 is a cloud on rocky downhills. The suspension encourages you to ride harder than the brakes can handle in stock form. With that added weight you'd have to really watch out for brake fade.
Wow. I would like a bike like that!
I want to see this bike climbing steep roads, Singletary ect
does it have the stock rear hub still on ? i m getting the same build( same gear ratio etc ) but after digging into the nitty gritty , a pretty serious upgrade is needed rear hub.. 4 piston brakes ,sturdier rims spokes etc
If I had that, I'd just slap a microshift acolyte 8speed 12-46 on it , beefier and cheaper chain 😂
people who doesn't understand how gear works should not use this kind of bike, else they will snap their chains all the time. i always shift my gear to the 5th biggest gear before stopping. that way, when ever i start cranking it up, the motor won't work very hard and snap the chain cause it's not sensing too much torque.
Supercool! I want to convert my Commencal Meta Trail from 2022 to an ebike. Not sure yet if to go for X1 Pro or Photon... or which battery would fit... any tips?
If you have an unusual bottom bracket, you may need the flexibility of the x1. It is a bit louder than the photon though
I have a specialized enduro that's 20 years old, but I have completely restored it to new and converted it to a 1x10. Do you think it could handle something like this?
Yes yes. Torque…….
“Mountain Mule”.
Patiently waiting
Can you help me where to buy the CYC x1 pro gen 4
I sell them in my online shop.
www.johnnynerdout.com/product-page/cyc-x1-pro-gen-4-mid-drive-motor-3500w-48-72v
Nice! Also, what straps are those?
The are ugly straps!
have you used the Android APP: Speeed to tune/dial each of the power levels by Amps..? you will need the programming cable hooked to the correct USB for your phone/tablet.. But that will allow find tuning of the power levels.. I have it for my Bafang mid drives..Cost is $0 APP, and under $25 for the programming cable and USB adapter .. Better than the LUNA cycle box that does the same for $150..
I have heard too many stories first hand of that app causing damage to controllers to recommend it unfortunately.
Personally I do not want something that does wheelies. What is more important to me is range, climbing and not overheating. I like to smell the roses when I ride.
I know some others are more worried about top speed …
curious, what is the cost of this?
Check the description, I should have links to all the parts. This particular setup w/o bike is about $2k
I built a 2016 Trek Fuel full suspension with BBSHD and 52 V 20AH batt in the triangle. Two gripes. BBSHD hangs lower than 52 tooth chain ring and 29 inch wheels are not as rigid as smaller wheels. Can feel some flex when letting off throttle at high speed in high gear. Makes me nervous. Anyone know of a modern dual suspension bike with large triangle?
I literally have a Trek Fuel EX5 large that I want to convert but I'm in the same boat. I want at least 20ah capacity, and twist throttle. My other thoughts are will the Rock Shox hold up and mine is a 29er too. I just don't want to end up being 3k into this build when I could have just got a used suron, or a new 72v rawrr mantis x.
Can I use two 36 v Battery’s for 72v ?
If wired correctly, yes
Thank you, I will try
I replaced the thumb throttle with a throttle from Sur Ron
Why are talking about this in your driveway and in slippers? Wouldn't a nice chunky hill to climb be better?
Love your work but over powered bikes are screwing things up for all of us with regular ebikes. Getting everyone banned from public areas.
Seems like a cargo bike would make a lot more sense as a car alternative.
low population island lol ok
The problem is that 100% of folks owning something like this don't dial it back legally and yes, they are ruining it for everyone. Automobiles have proven we cannot be trusted to do the right thing, or obey the law at all.
Those brakes, those very brakes, were not even designed to stop that bike stock! They are for a
I would never want an old maid like yourself to ruin it for enthusiasts. You sir are unamerican. A woke, beta male who wants to control other people. Alfa's will never let betas control them...ever.
I am both an automotive engineer and have worked with NHSTA throughout a long career. I grew up building racing cars and motorcycles.
You...should only speak for 'yourself'. No, 'you' should never ride this ebike. It is way above your talent level. But for a guy like me who has raced motorcycles both on and off road, this bike would be a 'piece of cake' to ride. Why? Because I could control the power. I own a 2000w, 45 lb, drop bar road bike that will do 40mph with 'rim brakes'. I ride it on many days I am not riding something else either faster or slower. 10's of thousands of miles. It rides perfectly and perfectly safe with 28c tires 'in the right hands.'
So speak among your liberal, beta peers who have no talent to ride high power machines. Don't bring your sniveling here.
You’re thinking of the Surron crowd.
@@jakeyoung2092this thing isn't much different than a surron for all intents and purposes. Except it has more power on a frame that wasn't built for it.
You are getting EU restrictions, they are debating it right now and I'd be amazed if it went any other way.
@@chargeriderepeat7024sad but true and we did it to ourselves, at least to some extent by builds like this.
The bike looks great but the ugly battery and mounting looks ghetto and ugly. It would be nice with all your experience if you could work on the looks a little more. Also you were going to weigh it but left that out. bummer.
35lbs bike
15 lbs. Kit ?
Right about that
The battery is heavy