Learn how to form a video and maybe you wouldn't get your ass torn apart in the comments. You can literally see the doors in your intro. Not to mention all of us carrier vets don't need to watch to know how wrong you are.
I served aboard the Kennedy for 4 years. The hanger had doors at all the elevators. They were closed during general quarters and while at sea during rough conditions.
I was on the USS Ranger CV-61, for 3 years. If those weren't hanger doors, THEN, they were side doors by the aircraft elevators, you know the big sliding door, with the bell that rang when they open and closed. We had 3 big elevators with sliding doors, or maybe those were windows.
You can literally see the non-existent hanger bay doors in the video. Aircraft Carriers have doors that close the elevators off from the hanger bays, and doors that separate the hanger bays into sections.
Of course there are hanger doors in the carrier. They are sliding doors (you can see the doors at the side in the video). The doors are opened during daytime and closed at night (or during rough weather). It is required for darken ship, or else the lights in the hanger can be seen by the enemy.
someone fell off a carrier we were following over to Nam in the old days. The carrier did not stop, but gave us the option of stopping to look if we wanted. It was night and we all got up with battle lanterns to look off our destroyer. It was night time and we spotted him after about half hour. lol He was lucky, lucky, lucky!
I know, I lived in a carrier for 4 years. The hanger bay doors are closed at night for darken ship and during rough weather. You cannot have light leakage at night.
@jayjaySTAR718 I was lucky enough to be on a tour of the CVN-76 whilst she was in Brisbane Australia some years .I was very impressed & very fortunate, I will never forget on board memorial to Ronald Reagan. I believe she lost a couple of F-18s in night training off Queensland .
I can see why some would miss being a part of such a close knit and important team of warriors. A carrier is an organism of immense complexity. Everyone aboard has a job and does it to their utmost ability. I can understand why you would remember that period of your life with pride and longing. Especially because of the other members of the crew that you never see again. What have you done since that was more demanding or honorable, except maybe being a good parent? Thanks for defending my freedom, I use it everyday.
I was a Marine Corps grunt and was aboard the U.S.S. New Orleans, LPH-11, and it had hanger bay doors. The only times I saw the doors closed were during high seas during severe storms and general quarters. As someone else mentioned, I could see the hanger doors in almost all the photos and videos.🤔
I was in E 2/4 31st MEU(SOC) for the last deployment of the New Orleans down to Austrailia for Tandem Thrust '97. We took a rouge wave and nearly lost the ship. If they hadn't had the doors closed they would have lost a lot of gear.
Steel thick doors designed to restrict the spread of fire, has been present on US aircraft carriers since WWII, also nowadays the ships needed to be airtight(if possible) due to chemical attack.
I'm not sure where you get your information but there ARE hangar door on all aircraft elevator lifts ( 4 ). There are also interior hangar doors splitting the lower hangar into 2 separate spaces for fire containment and damage control. Better check your facts.
Not only was this guy completely wrong, but this could’ve been answered and wrapped up in 2 minutes even WITH an introduction and general information. But it drones on for 18:31!
This person doesn't know what they're talking about, carriers do have hanger doors. They're typically closed during bad weather or General Quarters. In addition, when our helicopter squadron went to sea with the USS Independence (Aircraft Carrier), the Captain often closed the hanger doors and turned off the lights at night in the hanger, we had to do maintenance using flashlights, which I hated. He wanted to simulate battle conditions.
My air wing accomplished deployments on CV 65 Enterprise and CV66 America. All carriers including the aforementioned have elevator doors as well as doors in the middle of the hanger bay for compartmentalization to minimize battle damage during general quarters.
The Bonhomme Richard burned because of failures in fire prevention & maintenance procedures, such as all the fire extinguishing systems being disabled, portable fire bottles all being emptied. Everything needed to put a fire out was not available, or disabled. Hangar doors would have been disabled too if it had any.
11:21 - USS Franklin was not lost. The crew put out the fires, and she was underway to Ulithi for temp repairs, then Pearl, and finally to the B.N.Y. for repairs.
Me also, I served in 3 carriers and all had doors that close from left or right..and you will know when they are activated to close or open, THEY ARE LOUD,!
In 1968 we were in port at Pearl (home port). I was sitting in bar drinking and ran into high school friend. He was on the Bonny Dick CV-31 . Drunk as skunks at 3AM I'm getting a tour of that carrier. Biggest GD thing I ever saw. Made me appreciate how simple it was to get around in submarine. They had just returned from Yankee Station off North Viet Nam.
I did 3 MEUs 00-01 on the LHA 4 Nassau 22nd MEU, 03 on the LHD 7 Iwo Jima 26th MEU, and 06 on the Iwo again 24th MEU all with the BLT. The berthing was a lot better on the LHDs(coffin racks) then the original LHAs(stacked 4 high and 16 in a cubicle). That and the LHDs took LCACs instead of LCUs.
Also, the fire on the BR was not due to anything about the hanger deck, it was in the middle of repairs when the fire broke out. This video has some interesting video but has waaaay too many mistakes for me to want to watch more.
Light discipline is an important aspect of warship operation. White light is necessary for some aircraft maintenance operations. Red lights (or the newer blue lights) help preserve night vision. Low tech navies and drones can home in on lights whether they're red, white or blue. Fight ops require lighting--even if it's IR for night vision goggles. I was on the USS Tripoli/LPH-10 from November 1977 to August 1978 as a Marine avionics tech assigned to the AIMD in support of HMM-262. The hangar deck was red light during hours of darkness to preserve night vision. There were light lockers (double doors to black-painted rooms) for hatches leading to the catwalks and other exterior access points. I was able to observe night flight ops once and the flight deck was lit up with red lights--they could have used white floods but didn't. My avionics shop was lit 24/7 with white lights--just try reading color codes under red light! Hangar doors assist in light discipline, whether that's preserving night vision or pretending to be invisible. Passing a cruise ship off on the horizon showed me the difference.
UH... the U.S.S. Franklin WASN'T lost, they put out the fires and sailed all the way back to New York. Granted her usefulness was compromised but still. Not to mention the Bonhmme Richard was NOT an America class ship, she was a Wasp class amphibious assault ship. Geez.
The Battle of Midway confirmed the disaster when you provide a sealed environment to an explosive. A single bomb by Lt. Cdr. Richard Best destroyed the Akagi.
In fairness, wasn't the Akagi in the middle of switching out ammunition and refueling planes, thus making the hanger deck that much more of a powder keg? Not downplaying what Dick Best accomplished, at all.
The USS Bonhomme Richard was NOT lost due to the lack of an armored deck. It was lost because it was largely UNMANNED at the time of the fire. Sprinklers and other fire suppression systems were disabled/unavailable in some cases due to the ship being in a maintenance cycle, with the situation made worse by no crew being around to reactivate them.
I remember all of the times I would get to leave CIC and walk the hangar deck. Just getting fresh air at one of the waist openings. There were Smokers or boxing matches in the hangar bay. We had several bands on the ship. I bought my first guitar onboard and taught myself how to play. USS Independence CV-62 OPS OI DIV 1984 - 1986
Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Describing the damage to USS Franklin (CV-13) the narrative says at 11:20 the "armored hanger deck was unfortunately not enough to prevent the loss of the ship." I'm sure that if there are survivors of the Franklin still around, they'll be even more surprised than I was to hear about the loss of the ship. USS Franklin did indeed survive the massive damage, explosions and fires and was brought back home where her damage was deemed too extreme to be repaired. But the important thing is that she survived and brought home the remainder of her crew.
I'm confused. At 0:07, 0:26, 8:43, 8:46, 8:49, 9:46, 9:49, and 17:15, you can see horizontal sliding doors to the sides of the main aircraft lift elevator. Are the carriers shown older, non nuclear carriers? Also, while I can see the weight and complexity posing risks, couldn't a 'sheet' style door be used, such as is common at grocery stores? They use an array of vertical strips to contain the cold air in refrigerated sections. A carrier could adopt a similar approach that's light, fireproof, simple, and could be quickly detached and pitched overboard if it failed during combat. They could be used to regulate air flow, air gusts, salt spray, and interior temperature better than an open door.
Served on the Ranger, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Vinson and they all had hangar doors. They also have a hangar fire door in the middle of the hangar to stop a fire if the front or back hangar catches on fire. The Hangar Elevator doors were only closed during really rough seas. At time index 2:30 you said "that some hangars decks can have even two or three levels if you can believe that", well I don't. I've been on multiple aircraft carrier hangar decks and all of them only had one level. I've never even hear of a 2 or 3 level hangar deck before. You really need to check your source and ask some folks who've been there and done that before just putting out these crazy stories. Thanks for sharing anyways. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya AT1 USN/USNR-TAR Retired.
The early carriers from CV-2 and onward also had doors to keep out inclement weather. They also divided the length of the hangar into two or three bays like the supercarriers.
All carriers have doors on the elevators. They are heavy doors closed during emergency situations such as fire or collision at sea. I served on the Lexington CVT-16 and USS Saratoga CV-60.
A friend of mine was a reactor operator (CVN 71) and also had damage-control duties. Since reactor-spaces were 'special' the only people who could work in those spaces and do preventative maintenance were reactor department personnel. He said that most of his DC duties ended up being cleaning and the greasing of the doors and seals.
One US Navy complaint about Royal Navy Aircraft carriers was the enclosed nature of British fully armored hanger bay. "The armoured hangar prevented the warming up of a second strike in the hangar due to a lack of vents, thus severely slowing the time between a first and second wave of a strike. "
USS Kitty Hawk had doors. More important than that, if you look at the ship at 3:04 in THIS VIDEO, the ship shown (Nimitz class) has the hangar bay doors closed. At 8:43 in this video is a shot from inside the hangar deck and you can see the doors from the inside in the open position. Also at 8:52, on the Lincoln, you can see the doors on the extreme left of the screen, again in the open position.
Would love to see more fire protection explainer videos. The way the fire crews moved fascinated me. Like, do they learn to walk with big high steps so they don't get tripped up by things on the ground? Great video! 😎
I served on CV-62 and she definitely had hangar bay doors and elevator doors. During flight ops the elevator doors were usually open. In port they might be closed or open. Depended what port you were in.
I was on the USS Midway from ‘83-‘86 and always wondered why the hangar bay elevators were always open. Now I why. There weren’t any doors! Thanks for schooling me. 👌
The USS Midway has hanger bay doors: ua-cam.com/video/774chLDRMTQ/v-deo.htmlsi=6S5IxFxMbgW0MeiH You can tell this is the Midway because the overhead (ceiling) is lower that new carriers.
As I was watching this I was like "wtF is he TALKING about?"!!! He should have explained why and when the doors are left open, and situations that require the doors to be closed? But like these vets have pointed out...IDIOT ALERT LOL
Royal navy had fully armored flight decks during WW2. In the pacific when they were hit by kamikaze aircraft they often would simply sweep the kamikaze debris off the deck into the ocean. Seriously! Often the only damage was a slight dent and some burned marks. Check out the story of the USS ROBIN (HMS VICTORIOUS) an aircraft carrier with British crew loaned to the US NAVY during our darkest hours in the pacific. Not only did its arrival with a US flag and paint job scare the Japanese high command. They couldn't figure out why it was so much more resistant to battle damage that previous US aircraft carriers. It really had them worries the US Navy had a new class of carriers with armored flight decks.
Great post ❤ but the Bismarck was a German battleship. Not a United States aircraft carrier. You are referring the sinking of the uss Yorktown and the hornet . But the hornet was sunk in the battle of midway. Yorktown was sunk in the battle of coral sea
Hornet did not participate in neither the Battle of Midway nor the Battle of Coral Sea, but she did launch Doolittle's bombers of the infamous Doolittle Raid. The Lexington was sunk at the Battle of Coral Sea. An Essex class carrier built later in the war bears the name Lexington, as well. She survived the war, becoming a training ship, well into the 1990s. The USS Yorktown was sunk at the Battle of Midway.
Safety is paramount in an aircraft carriers...the hangar bay doors is relatively efficient in providing protection of aircrafts and equipment from gusty winds and waves of waters in coming inside hangar bay but the downside of this is when there is hangar bay doors the tendency of confine mixtures of gases and fumes can cause fire inside of it and due to lack of ventilation as well the personnel can experience suffocation that can lead to death. Thus, the primary concern here is by not having hangar bay doors is more reliable when it comes to safety measures for the sake of aircrafts, equipments and lives of personnel.
What? Where do you get your information? Ive never seen an aircraft engine running on the hanger deck and I don't think Ive ever seen fueling in the hanger either. Both are a huge fire hazard plus you have aircraft within inches of each other and the hanger is not a restricted area. So unless there are weapons being loaded the whole crew has access to the hanger. I also don't see a need for fueling in the hanger. While on land our aircraft had to have either fully fueled fuel tanks or completely empty and purged before being placed in the hanger. On board ship the restriction are going to be stricter. If I am incorrect someone will correct me.
You correct and the vent system in the hanger bays is pretty good. I think he has u.s. carriers mixed up with ww2 japanese carriers and thier sop before midway.
Every aircraft carrier I have been on has both doors to the hanger deck and doors that separate the hanger deck into sections in case of fire. And at extremely high speeds, the prop wash is as tall as the rear of the fantail. CVN69 and CVA66. Unfortunately, one of my shipmates was swept overboard during a sea swell and lost at sea. He tried to grab on to a rack of missiles, but they were swept overboard too.
My father served aboard the USS Ranger CVA61 AND I went aboard the USS Carl Vinson and they both had said hanger doors, so if they need to they can completely seal the ship
I was on a "super carrier" & the hanger doors enabled the crews to work on planes without being seen for 20 miles with all the white lights on. When nothing was happening, they'd turn on red lights to reduce being seen and open the doors to make it cooler.
I saw the name, "Wasp," and it was gone. I couldn't find that segment of film again. It made me sad--again. Thank you for a clear and detailed report on a subject I never thought I would find so interesting.
He keeps talking about using hangar doors so I think the headline is wrong. It's not that US carriers do not have hangar doors, they just keep them open unless conditions warrant closing them.
Like hell they don’t have doors. They have exterior and partition doors to help prevent the spread of fire. They will close them when battle stations issue called away. Eleven in your own video you can clearly see the track for them.
I love the way they said "to protect million dollar aircraft" I'm pretty sure that the wheels alone on a modern fighter cost more than a million dollars alone
I need to correct you. U.S. carriers DO have hanger doors. These doors are retractable into the side of the hanger bay. They close on condition Z. An example is, "The Final Countdown" released in 1980
It actually shows them in this video. Several times. Not only does hangar deck have massive doors for the elevators but 2 partition doors to separate bays.
It is funny at 26 seconds on your video you clearly see the hangar bay doors on the right of the elevator opening, with the word "DOORS" warning label clearly stenciled on it. The video at 3:05 clearly shows the two hangar bay doors are closed.
I was on both west and east carriers for thirty five years and they all had very large heavy doors the closed off the hangar maitenance bay of the carrier, it would be crazy not to have them especially in high wave heavy sea weather conditions.
What I want to know is have we developed an effective counter measure to the Chinese/Russian hyper-sonic missles? We cant lose any of these super-carriers if we get into a fight.
When in combat, if the frame of the carrier bends due to enemy ordnance, the hanger door will be inoperable since the door frame will likely deform. Of course ventilation would be the other benefit of no door.
I was on the ranger , saratoga , and midway during my 26 years in the navy and every bird farm i was on had a hanger bay door separating all three bays and it also had doors for the deck edge elevators.
yes I have! thought about these things. Gramps was a Seabee, Uncle was on the Mighty Mo, I'm a Journeyman millwright, controls Haz locations sparky, pipefitter, plumber, glazier, carpenter who wanted to become a Seabee in my mid 50's, but no, navy, or army corps of engineers never answered.
Did you just make this video based on your personal thought? If you did do research, I would be curious to know what your sources are. As far as I’m aware, most, if not all aircraft carriers have hangar doors at all the elevators (if multiple). Some also have portioning doors/walls in the hangars to section them off. The hangar doors stay open for the most part. It takes a lot of work and time to engage them. They really only close them in adverse weather or when the ship is at port.
Well, if you keep listening/reading, the article gors on to talk about various hanger doors that arr now used..
I am so confused! Must be the bot voice
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Learn how to form a video and maybe you wouldn't get your ass torn apart in the comments. You can literally see the doors in your intro. Not to mention all of us carrier vets don't need to watch to know how wrong you are.
I served aboard the Kennedy for 4 years. The hanger had doors at all the elevators. They were closed during general quarters and while at sea during rough conditions.
Yup!
I was on the USS Ranger CV-61, for 3 years. If those weren't hanger doors, THEN, they were side doors by the aircraft elevators, you know the big sliding door, with the bell that rang when they open and closed. We had 3 big elevators with sliding doors, or maybe those were windows.
Can confirm!
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You can literally see the non-existent hanger bay doors in the video. Aircraft Carriers have doors that close the elevators off from the hanger bays, and doors that separate the hanger bays into sections.
Of course there are hanger doors in the carrier. They are sliding doors (you can see the doors at the side in the video). The doors are opened during daytime and closed at night (or during rough weather). It is required for darken ship, or else the lights in the hanger can be seen by the enemy.
someone fell off a carrier we were following over to Nam in the old days. The carrier did not stop, but gave us the option of stopping to look if we wanted. It was night and we all got up with battle lanterns to look off our destroyer. It was night time and we spotted him after about half hour. lol He was lucky, lucky, lucky!
That was an outright miracle.
That is one of the roles of destroyer screens, although it's usually pilots they are expected to rescue.
I served CV-62, CV-64, CV-66 and CVN-70. All had elevator doors.
INDY BOY!! i Served CV-63
I served aboard IKE 1991-1994.
I was on the Carl Vinson CVN-70. We had hangar doors, but kept them open all the time.
@@Richborg44 the Hawk was only closed for rough seas if i recall. but that was 99-02
Only time I seen our HB doors closed on the Vinson was if it was bad weather or they had the white lights on at night during deployment.
How stupid are they? Every carrier has doors on the hangar deck
You can see them on the screen next to the elevator on the inside of the hanger bay.
I know, I lived in a carrier for 4 years. The hanger bay doors are closed at night for darken ship and during rough weather. You cannot have light leakage at night.
I was on the Ronald Reagan CVN-76. We had hanger bay doors. I have to admit... I kinda miss those days lol.
@jayjaySTAR718 I was lucky enough to be on a tour of the CVN-76 whilst she was in Brisbane Australia some years .I was very impressed & very fortunate, I will never forget on board memorial to Ronald Reagan. I believe she lost a couple of F-18s in night training off Queensland .
I can see why some would miss being a part of such a close knit and important team of warriors. A carrier is an organism of immense complexity. Everyone aboard has a job and does it to their utmost ability. I can understand why you would remember that period of your life with pride and longing. Especially because of the other members of the crew that you never see again. What have you done since that was more demanding or honorable, except maybe being a good parent? Thanks for defending my freedom, I use it everyday.
I deployed on CV-19 (Hancock) in 75 and CV-43 (Coral Sea) in 77. Every now and then I kind of almost, sort of miss the flight deck.
@lynnkramer1211 what an awesome reply! I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Thank you & it was absolutely an honor!
me too, but, mostly, I miss being 19!
Yes, the Nimitz class had hangar doors at the elevators. All US supercarriers have them.
AND a huge door mid hangerbay
Delete this one. Not sure who is reading.
this is a dumb question would you NOT!!!! have doors on your bathroom ????
@@kennethhamilton5633there are doors between each of the 3 hanger bays. ( 2 doors )
That's a LIE! They have doors, They even have ballistic door for the partition of Bay 1 and Bay 2
I was a Marine Corps grunt and was aboard the U.S.S. New Orleans, LPH-11, and it had hanger bay doors. The only times I saw the doors closed were during high seas during severe storms and general quarters. As someone else mentioned, I could see the hanger doors in almost all the photos and videos.🤔
lolol don't believe your eyes, they say.
I was in E 2/4 31st MEU(SOC) for the last deployment of the New Orleans down to Austrailia for Tandem Thrust '97. We took a rouge wave and nearly lost the ship. If they hadn't had the doors closed they would have lost a lot of gear.
Whoever pretends to be editor of this NAVY productions. Would do better by telling us WHY SUBMARINES DON'T HAVE SCREEN DOORS!
Best comment yet! 🤣
Or why the submarines dont have porches and Or screen room? And nursery rooms.
We had screen doors on boats, but the hinges kept squeaking and giving away our location, so we deleted them...
@@subvet694 Didn't that leave you vulnerable to those pesky mosquito boats?
@@michaelleitner1245 No, they can't hold their breath long enough to get down to us.
Steel thick doors designed to restrict the spread of fire, has been present on US aircraft carriers since WWII, also nowadays the ships needed to be airtight(if possible) due to chemical attack.
I'm not sure where you get your information but there ARE hangar door on all aircraft elevator lifts ( 4 ). There are also interior hangar doors splitting the lower hangar into 2 separate spaces for fire containment and damage control. Better check your facts.
Not only was this guy completely wrong, but this could’ve been answered and wrapped up in 2 minutes even WITH an introduction and general information. But it drones on for 18:31!
This person doesn't know what they're talking about, carriers do have hanger doors. They're typically closed during bad weather or General Quarters. In addition, when our helicopter squadron went to sea with the USS Independence (Aircraft Carrier), the Captain often closed the hanger doors and turned off the lights at night in the hanger, we had to do maintenance using flashlights, which I hated. He wanted to simulate battle conditions.
My air wing accomplished deployments on CV 65 Enterprise and CV66 America. All carriers including the aforementioned have elevator doors as well as doors in the middle of the hanger bay for compartmentalization to minimize battle damage during general quarters.
You clearly have never set foot on a Carrier. All the elevators have doors. Generally, they keep them open for ventilation, and close them as needed.
USS Ranger (CV-61), we had hangar bay doors, but hardly ever closed them.
I remember seeing the Ranger when I was in boot camp 93 San Diego
"It goes without mentioning..." and then goes on to talk about it for two minutes. Who writes this stuff?
The Bonhomme Richard burned because of failures in fire prevention & maintenance procedures, such as all the fire extinguishing systems being disabled, portable fire bottles all being emptied. Everything needed to put a fire out was not available, or disabled. Hangar doors would have been disabled too if it had any.
11:21 - USS Franklin was not lost. The crew put out the fires, and she was underway to Ulithi for temp repairs, then Pearl, and finally to the B.N.Y. for repairs.
Me also, I served in 3 carriers and all had doors that close from left or right..and you will know when they are activated to close or open, THEY ARE LOUD,!
Bon Hom Richard was a Wasp Class LHD, not America Class LHA. I was stationed on USS Wasp LHD 1 2000-03
In 1968 we were in port at Pearl (home port). I was sitting in bar drinking and ran into high school friend. He was on the Bonny Dick CV-31 . Drunk as skunks at 3AM I'm getting a tour of that carrier. Biggest GD thing I ever saw. Made me appreciate how simple it was to get around in submarine. They had just returned from Yankee Station off North Viet Nam.
I did 3 MEUs 00-01 on the LHA 4 Nassau 22nd MEU, 03 on the LHD 7 Iwo Jima 26th MEU, and 06 on the Iwo again 24th MEU all with the BLT. The berthing was a lot better on the LHDs(coffin racks) then the original LHAs(stacked 4 high and 16 in a cubicle). That and the LHDs took LCACs instead of LCUs.
Also, the fire on the BR was not due to anything about the hanger deck, it was in the middle of repairs when the fire broke out. This video has some interesting video but has waaaay too many mistakes for me to want to watch more.
@@kellyfrench pretty sure the fire broke out in the well deck of the BR also. The hangar deck doors on it wouldn’t have mattered one way or the other.
Light discipline is an important aspect of warship operation. White light is necessary for some aircraft maintenance operations. Red lights (or the newer blue lights) help preserve night vision. Low tech navies and drones can home in on lights whether they're red, white or blue. Fight ops require lighting--even if it's IR for night vision goggles.
I was on the USS Tripoli/LPH-10 from November 1977 to August 1978 as a Marine avionics tech assigned to the AIMD in support of HMM-262. The hangar deck was red light during hours of darkness to preserve night vision. There were light lockers (double doors to black-painted rooms) for hatches leading to the catwalks and other exterior access points. I was able to observe night flight ops once and the flight deck was lit up with red lights--they could have used white floods but didn't. My avionics shop was lit 24/7 with white lights--just try reading color codes under red light!
Hangar doors assist in light discipline, whether that's preserving night vision or pretending to be invisible. Passing a cruise ship off on the horizon showed me the difference.
UH... the U.S.S. Franklin WASN'T lost, they put out the fires and sailed all the way back to New York. Granted her usefulness was compromised but still. Not to mention the Bonhmme Richard was NOT an America class ship, she was a Wasp class amphibious assault ship. Geez.
The Battle of Midway confirmed the disaster when you provide a sealed environment to an explosive. A single bomb by Lt. Cdr. Richard Best destroyed the Akagi.
In fairness, wasn't the Akagi in the middle of switching out ammunition and refueling planes, thus making the hanger deck that much more of a powder keg?
Not downplaying what Dick Best accomplished, at all.
At 0:07 you can see the doors. Just behind the sailors head you see the barber pole stripes at the base of the doors.
lololol who the fck made this video?
@@coodamanChiNa. 😂
I served on the USS Kitty Hawk, CV 63. We had doors and in rougher seas, we had to close them, it was serious.
The USS Bonhomme Richard was NOT lost due to the lack of an armored deck. It was lost because it was largely UNMANNED at the time of the fire. Sprinklers and other fire suppression systems were disabled/unavailable in some cases due to the ship being in a maintenance cycle, with the situation made worse by no crew being around to reactivate them.
WHAT? The video you show, has the hanger door in the video. 🤦♂️ wow. Great research.
I remember all of the times I would get to leave CIC and walk the hangar deck. Just getting fresh air at one of the waist openings. There were Smokers or boxing matches in the hangar bay. We had several bands on the ship. I bought my first guitar onboard and taught myself how to play. USS Independence CV-62 OPS OI DIV 1984 - 1986
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Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Describing the damage to USS Franklin (CV-13) the narrative says at 11:20 the "armored hanger deck was unfortunately not enough to prevent the loss of the ship." I'm sure that if there are survivors of the Franklin still around, they'll be even more surprised than I was to hear about the loss of the ship. USS Franklin did indeed survive the massive damage, explosions and fires and was brought back home where her damage was deemed too extreme to be repaired. But the important thing is that she survived and brought home the remainder of her crew.
I'm confused. At 0:07, 0:26, 8:43, 8:46, 8:49, 9:46, 9:49, and 17:15, you can see horizontal sliding doors to the sides of the main aircraft lift elevator. Are the carriers shown older, non nuclear carriers? Also, while I can see the weight and complexity posing risks, couldn't a 'sheet' style door be used, such as is common at grocery stores? They use an array of vertical strips to contain the cold air in refrigerated sections. A carrier could adopt a similar approach that's light, fireproof, simple, and could be quickly detached and pitched overboard if it failed during combat. They could be used to regulate air flow, air gusts, salt spray, and interior temperature better than an open door.
Served on the Ranger, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Vinson and they all had hangar doors. They also have a hangar fire door in the middle of the hangar to stop a fire if the front or back hangar catches on fire. The Hangar Elevator doors were only closed during really rough seas. At time index 2:30 you said "that some hangars decks can have even two or three levels if you can believe that", well I don't. I've been on multiple aircraft carrier hangar decks and all of them only had one level. I've never even hear of a 2 or 3 level hangar deck before. You really need to check your source and ask some folks who've been there and done that before just putting out these crazy stories. Thanks for sharing anyways. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya AT1 USN/USNR-TAR Retired.
The early carriers from CV-2 and onward also had doors to keep out inclement weather. They also divided the length of the hangar into two or three bays like the supercarriers.
All carriers have doors on the elevators. They are heavy doors closed during emergency situations such as fire or collision at sea. I served on the Lexington CVT-16 and USS Saratoga CV-60.
I was on CVN-65 and 70 and LOTS of doors.
Makes a lot of sense really and I never really thought about it other than air and faster lifting them to the deck
A friend of mine was a reactor operator (CVN 71) and also had damage-control duties. Since reactor-spaces were 'special' the only people who could work in those spaces and do preventative maintenance were reactor department personnel. He said that most of his DC duties ended up being cleaning and the greasing of the doors and seals.
The reason the Japanese aircraft carriers were so easy to sink was the closed hanger decks which trapped in gas fuel and caused a great fire hazard.
Taiho, for one.
One US Navy complaint about Royal Navy Aircraft carriers was the enclosed nature of British fully armored hanger bay. "The armoured hangar prevented the warming up of a second strike in the hangar due to a lack of vents, thus severely slowing the time between a first and second wave of a strike. "
USS Kitty Hawk had doors. More important than that, if you look at the ship at 3:04 in THIS VIDEO, the ship shown (Nimitz class) has the hangar bay doors closed. At 8:43 in this video is a shot from inside the hangar deck and you can see the doors from the inside in the open position. Also at 8:52, on the Lincoln, you can see the doors on the extreme left of the screen, again in the open position.
Short version: They have doors.
Would love to see more fire protection explainer videos. The way the fire crews moved fascinated me. Like, do they learn to walk with big high steps so they don't get tripped up by things on the ground? Great video! 😎
I served on CV-62 and she definitely had hangar bay doors and elevator doors. During flight ops the elevator doors were usually open. In port they might be closed or open. Depended what port you were in.
When HAL takes over the running of the craft, it won' t be able to lock Dave out. "Open the pod bays door, please, HAL.
Served on Ranger also we had doors John McVeagh Burbank ILL
I was on the USS Constellation (CVA-64) . There were doors that could open/close on each elevator plus a huge door separating half of the hangar bay.
This is a really good video. Very interesting, important and little talked about aspect of carriers.
I was on the USS Midway from ‘83-‘86 and always wondered why the hangar bay elevators were always open. Now I why. There weren’t any doors! Thanks for schooling me. 👌
The USS Midway has hanger bay doors: ua-cam.com/video/774chLDRMTQ/v-deo.htmlsi=6S5IxFxMbgW0MeiH You can tell this is the Midway because the overhead (ceiling) is lower that new carriers.
@@tolson57 well, I’m just learning so much about my old ship today. I never did see them closed though
I was on Forrestal, we had doors
The carriers you display have hanger bay doors. Look to the right. They all have hanger bay door.
Because all carriers have doors, without them everything in the hangar bay would be caked in rust.
The hanger deck must be accessible to enemy drones per geneva convention to make war more fair
Lmao
Intro: "Why don't aircraft carriers don't have doors"
Later in the video: "Here are the non-existent doors opening and closing."
As I was watching this I was like "wtF is he TALKING about?"!!! He should have explained why and when the doors are left open, and situations that require the doors to be closed? But like these vets have pointed out...IDIOT ALERT LOL
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USS Coral Sea CV-43 77-80. She had elevator and hanger bay doors
Short version. Why don't Aircraft Carriers have hangar doors? They do Have Hangar doors.
The next video is called "Why all submarines have screen doors and why they are left open".
@@krashd I’m sure you’re right !
So the crew can fish, of course!
Royal navy had fully armored flight decks during WW2. In the pacific when they were hit by kamikaze aircraft they often would simply sweep the kamikaze debris off the deck into the ocean. Seriously! Often the only damage was a slight dent and some burned marks. Check out the story of the USS ROBIN (HMS VICTORIOUS) an aircraft carrier with British crew loaned to the US NAVY during our darkest hours in the pacific. Not only did its arrival with a US flag and paint job scare the Japanese high command. They couldn't figure out why it was so much more resistant to battle damage that previous US aircraft carriers. It really had them worries the US Navy had a new class of carriers with armored flight decks.
The Roosevelt, Ike, America, Kennedy, Enterprise, Nimitz, all had hanger bay doors. Plus you can see the damn doors in the footage.
Great post ❤ but the Bismarck was a German battleship. Not a United States aircraft carrier. You are referring the sinking of the uss Yorktown and the hornet . But the hornet was sunk in the battle of midway. Yorktown was sunk in the battle of coral sea
Hornet did not participate in neither the Battle of Midway nor the Battle of Coral Sea, but she did launch Doolittle's bombers of the infamous Doolittle Raid. The Lexington was sunk at the Battle of Coral Sea. An Essex class carrier built later in the war bears the name Lexington, as well. She survived the war, becoming a training ship, well into the 1990s. The USS Yorktown was sunk at the Battle of Midway.
I'm sure he meant USS Bismark Sea, which was a WWII CVE aircraft carrier.....
They do have hangar doors it's on the side of every elevator
Safety is paramount in an aircraft carriers...the hangar bay doors is relatively efficient in providing protection of aircrafts and equipment from gusty winds and waves of waters in coming inside hangar bay but the downside of this is when there is hangar bay doors the tendency of confine mixtures of gases and fumes can cause fire inside of it and due to lack of ventilation as well the personnel can experience suffocation that can lead to death. Thus, the primary concern here is by not having hangar bay doors is more reliable when it comes to safety measures for the sake of aircrafts, equipments and lives of personnel.
What? Where do you get your information? Ive never seen an aircraft engine running on the hanger deck and I don't think Ive ever seen fueling in the hanger either. Both are a huge fire hazard plus you have aircraft within inches of each other and the hanger is not a restricted area. So unless there are weapons being loaded the whole crew has access to the hanger. I also don't see a need for fueling in the hanger. While on land our aircraft had to have either fully fueled fuel tanks or completely empty and purged before being placed in the hanger. On board ship the restriction are going to be stricter. If I am incorrect someone will correct me.
You correct and the vent system in the hanger bays is pretty good. I think he has u.s. carriers mixed up with ww2 japanese carriers and thier sop before midway.
Every aircraft carrier I have been on has both doors to the hanger deck and doors that separate the hanger deck into sections in case of fire. And at extremely high speeds, the prop wash is as tall as the rear of the fantail. CVN69 and CVA66. Unfortunately, one of my shipmates was swept overboard during a sea swell and lost at sea. He tried to grab on to a rack of missiles, but they were swept overboard too.
My father served aboard the USS Ranger CVA61 AND I went aboard the USS Carl Vinson and they both had said hanger doors, so if they need to they can completely seal the ship
Thank you very much. I'll definitely check out the hangar doors for my next visit to USS Hornet museum.
So they don't have doors, except when they do.
I was on a "super carrier" & the hanger doors enabled the crews to work on planes without being seen for 20 miles with all the white lights on. When nothing was happening, they'd turn on red lights to reduce being seen and open the doors to make it cooler.
I saw the name, "Wasp," and it was gone. I couldn't find that segment of film again. It made me sad--again. Thank you for a clear and detailed report on a subject I never thought I would find so interesting.
I would LOVE to take a tour of one of these INCREDIBLE machines.
God Bless America!
God Bless OUR Freedom & Noble Endeavors!
The Bonhom Richard was an Essex class LHD; Not America class.
Very confusing video. US carriers don't have hanger doors, but actually do have them, except they don't, but they do.
The only doors allowed in the Navy is Three Doors Down 🎵
Wait a minute...I remember the Enterprise CVN 65, having hanger doors at the elevators when we unrepped them at sea.
I was on CVN 65, annnnnddd, IT HAD HANGER DOORS! 5 OF EM!
Just leave the doors open at all time other than bad weather
He keeps talking about using hangar doors so I think the headline is wrong. It's not that US carriers do not have hangar doors, they just keep them open unless conditions warrant closing them.
Like hell they don’t have doors. They have exterior and partition doors to help prevent the spread of fire. They will close them when battle stations issue called away. Eleven in your own video you can clearly see the track for them.
I love the way they said "to protect million dollar aircraft" I'm pretty sure that the wheels alone on a modern fighter cost more than a million dollars alone
Not sure what you are talking about, I served on 3 carriers and all of them had hanger doors. They also have sectional doors to separate bays.
I need to correct you. U.S. carriers DO have hanger doors. These doors are retractable into the side of the hanger bay. They close on condition Z. An example is, "The Final Countdown" released in 1980
It actually shows them in this video. Several times. Not only does hangar deck have massive doors for the elevators but 2 partition doors to separate bays.
@3:04 the doors are closed -.-
rough seas, darken ship conditions. and more!
It is funny at 26 seconds on your video you clearly see the hangar bay doors on the right of the elevator opening, with the word "DOORS" warning label clearly stenciled on it. The video at 3:05 clearly shows the two hangar bay doors are closed.
I was on both west and east carriers for thirty five years and they all had very large heavy doors the closed off the hangar maitenance bay of the carrier, it would be crazy not to have them especially in high wave heavy sea weather conditions.
What I want to know is have we developed an effective counter measure to the Chinese/Russian hyper-sonic missles? We cant lose any of these super-carriers if we get into a fight.
Carriers have elevator doors. And a fire door dividing the hanger bay
When in combat, if the frame of the carrier bends due to enemy ordnance, the hanger door will be inoperable since the door frame will likely deform. Of course ventilation would be the other benefit of no door.
Everyone in the comments, HANGER is for clothes HANGAR is for aircraft. Sheesh!
I would think one of the engineering challenges would be the speed with which they open and close. Could be critical in combat or weather conditions.
I was on the Enterprise in the early '70's. It had three elevators to the hanger bay. And the had doors.
Carriers do have hangar doors that slide horizontally to close. These are required for ship defense from NBC attack.
As a former sprinkler fitter of 39 years, @16:15 that was a failed test or draining down the system and the video was shot after the test
hopefully.
I guess i'll never know.. this took way too long !! stopped at 1:50
I was on the ranger , saratoga , and midway during my 26 years in the navy and every bird farm i was on had a hanger bay door separating all three bays and it also had doors for the deck edge elevators.
yes I have! thought about these things. Gramps was a Seabee, Uncle was on the Mighty Mo, I'm a Journeyman millwright, controls Haz locations sparky, pipefitter, plumber, glazier, carpenter who wanted to become a Seabee in my mid 50's, but no, navy, or army corps of engineers never answered.
Did you just make this video based on your personal thought? If you did do research, I would be curious to know what your sources are. As far as I’m aware, most, if not all aircraft carriers have hangar doors at all the elevators (if multiple). Some also have portioning doors/walls in the hangars to section them off. The hangar doors stay open for the most part. It takes a lot of work and time to engage them. They really only close them in adverse weather or when the ship is at port.
The door slides to open and close !!! 🤦🏽♀️
The carriers built before and during WW II had rolling metal shutters to cover the openings.
I was on the Hornet CVA 12 in 1958 and there were no doors.