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  • Lets vocal tune David Lee Roth and see if its better or worse..??
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  • @BobbyHuff
    @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +102

    Bobby Huff
    So there have been some heated discussions on here about Eddies lack of caring about tuning with a tuner especially on older VH records. This is why when you tune your guitar on a tuner and play along you will not be in tune with the record on MANY of these songs. Do you really think EVH is gonna slave his art over a tuner at some crazy oddball in between tuning?? NOT A CHANCE. This is a guy that hated rules and broke them all with his tone, designs of guitars, pickups, designs of amps, power to his amps, Slack tuning of thirds, playing technique, even his famous striped patterns. Well... he broke the tuning tradition as well and just tuned to what HIS ears wanted and not some spinning probe at A432. Later with the addition of keyboards he tuned more conventionally because he 'had to." Note that his last touring pedal board had no tuner...how many guitar players can you say that about??
    THIS IS FROM HIS GUITAR PLAYER MAGAZINE INTERVIEW IN 1980..
    "When we go in the studio, man, I don’t strobe tune or anything. I just pick the guitar up and if it’s in tune, I say, ‘Mike, tune to me,’ and we play. Why does it have to be the same? Who says it has to be tuned to E? Why the rules? Fuck the rules! I mean the main reason I get all the weird stuff I do on guitar is because I don’t do it by the rules."
    Listen to Vai even admit NO TUNER it at around 2:20
    ua-cam.com/video/spB1XuedgkY/v-deo.html
    Also listen to what Phil X and Pete Thorn said about NO TUNER....
    ua-cam.com/video/TEK-ZikFACc/v-deo.html
    Thanks to all for watching..

    • @22bigfig
      @22bigfig 2 роки тому +3

      Could you imagine how often he would have to tune his guitar or how busy his guitar tech would be to keep him in perfect tune because of how much and how hard he was on his tremolo. He would need quite the arsenal of guitars considering he used a Floyde Rose and that is not just a turn of a tuning key!

    • @AlanHamiltonAudio
      @AlanHamiltonAudio 2 роки тому

      @@22bigfig His tuning needed to match Michael Anthony. It's not just that Eddie had to be in tune with himself. And it's not like Van Halen stopped the show to "give me an A... and now a D...." for the bass to tune to.
      Nor could Eddie's tech have managed having guitars ready for Eddie, that were in tune with all the other guitars, AND Michael's basses, without a tuner.
      You also need a tuner for a trem guitar because as you tension strings it pulls the bar downward and the other strings slacken up. So, nobody is doing a string change on a Floyd without a tuner.... because you need to average that and balance it.
      And once it's in tune, Floyd's have tuners on the trem itself to fine tune... so yes.. he could fix any issues after a dive bomb that presented themselves...
      As long as he tuned the out of tune string(s) to match the in tune ones...
      Although, Floyd's are pretty darned good at coming back in tune since that's part of their design and reason for their existence.
      But overall... Eddie used a tuner.... Eddie's tech used a tuner. Michael nor the bass tech had to tune by ear to Eddie.

    • @davidferrara1105
      @davidferrara1105 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah but he wasn't an idiot. They used strobe tuners. Down a half step with Dave, standard with Sammy. Done. You're hearing the result of the mastering process that could throw the pitch off.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +4

      @@davidferrara1105 you really think EVH is gonna let them mess with his tone in mastering??? Not a chance!! Tone was EVERYTHING to him. The second video even addresses vari speed….didn’t happen. Thanks for ur comments!

    • @OTCRock4one
      @OTCRock4one 2 роки тому +4

      I prefer Dave un-tuned; it sounds more natural...

  • @IZZY_EDIBLE
    @IZZY_EDIBLE 2 роки тому +229

    Untuned! Roth is a blues singer, not a pop singer. Autotune cleans up a sound, and Diamond Dave sings dirty, greasy, and gritty.
    That's why it worked.

    • @aaroncrosby2173
      @aaroncrosby2173 2 роки тому +11

      so well said! processing takes away the soul

    • @Powermad-bu4em
      @Powermad-bu4em 2 роки тому +8

      Dave was the epitome of the phrase "Rock out with your cock out." Hell, I think he coined the phrase. They don't make 'em like him anymore.

    • @BigTony-bf5jr
      @BigTony-bf5jr 2 роки тому

      I’ve always described him as having a “smokey” voice

    • @Powermad-bu4em
      @Powermad-bu4em 2 роки тому

      @@BigTony-bf5jr
      Perfect description. He had a hell of a range too.

    • @jp1264
      @jp1264 2 роки тому

      I loved Dave’s solo projects. His version of Tobacco Road is a favorite of mine. So happy I got to see VH a couple times in their reunion tours.

  • @BrianFunkMusic
    @BrianFunkMusic 2 роки тому +280

    Dave's quick little chuckle after the high note in "from across the ro-hehe-om" is so amazing. They don't make musical notation for those types of things! Inimitable!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +15

      Totally agree Brian thanks for watching man. Love your podcasts my friend.

    • @FreeMTrider
      @FreeMTrider 2 роки тому +12

      Exactly. I've always noticed and loved the Dave attitude in his singing.

    • @DDKaraokeOutlaw
      @DDKaraokeOutlaw 2 роки тому +4

      @@FreeMTrider Totally agree.

    • @Junkiescum
      @Junkiescum 2 роки тому +23

      I’ve always thought he sang with genius levels of cool in this song and especially that verse. I thought his strongest trait other than his showmanship was just how cool he sounded when he sang. He may not be the best singer from a technical standpoint but god damn it works so fucking well

    • @DDKaraokeOutlaw
      @DDKaraokeOutlaw 2 роки тому +1

      @@Junkiescum 👍

  • @MegaChagus
    @MegaChagus 2 роки тому +306

    Sounds like autotune literally takes the soul and spirit out of the captured vocal track.

    • @danc3746
      @danc3746 2 роки тому +6

      I agree. I mean you def hear him being pitchy allot, but thats Dave...always has been.

    • @jml-rj5re
      @jml-rj5re 2 роки тому +11

      Exactly. Autotune sux.

    • @jml-rj5re
      @jml-rj5re 2 роки тому +3

      @@Szmanzer Bingo

    • @HornetBojan
      @HornetBojan 2 роки тому +6

      It takes humanity out also ...

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 2 роки тому +11

      *It destroys all of the vocal artifacts that make the vocal unique. Engineers who use auto-tune on heavy to medium settings should be forced to quit working on records*

  • @terrymantle2711
    @terrymantle2711 2 роки тому +40

    Imperfection is perfection when it comes to artistic interpretation.

  • @robd754
    @robd754 2 роки тому +95

    all those little mis-tunings and imperfections added color to music. thats why it was so much more dynamic. todays music is obsessed with perfection and thats why its so flat and emotionless. they have taken the art out of the artist and homogenized music. you can actually hear Dave laughing and smiling in his voice

    • @tjsogmc
      @tjsogmc 2 роки тому +2

      Amen, brother, amen!

    • @ManCrew
      @ManCrew 2 роки тому +4

      Well said. Some guys can sing and you can just hear the bad boy twinkle in their eye. Dave's got that down. The quintessential Valley Boy.

    • @yellingelk
      @yellingelk 2 роки тому +4

      Absolutely agree 100%. Back in the day, it was all about the 'performance'... not cold hard 'perfection'. Another thing I absolutely can't stand about today's rock records, is how every single dynamic is squashed down via compression, into a meaningless fat dull wash. They do that for maximum volume and consistency for radio airplay. Hate it!!

    • @tjsogmc
      @tjsogmc 2 роки тому +5

      @@yellingelk ever see a modern teenager's eyes light up when they hear a Doobie Brothers or Chicago song? They've never heard an actual organic song with those subtle colorations before. Music should be a human thing, not something processed by a machine.
      Back in the day we had a buffet of musical sounds, now its just a standard corporate gruel.

    • @ManCrew
      @ManCrew 2 роки тому +1

      @@yellingelk I Agree! A really good observation. Some compression is okay but not when it washes away the dynamics of the music. The greatest record producers in the history of music practiced their craft in the 60's through 90's. George Martin, Qincy Jones, Phil Spector, Muscle Shoals, Jimmy Page, Mutt Lange.....etc....etc...ad infinitum. Everything produced today is assembly line production and sound just like everything else. There isn't much innovation or creativity. Look at the list and you see some guys that took big chances to make something unique. IMO.

  • @Jbeland1
    @Jbeland1 2 роки тому +26

    Dave had magic. Didn’t matter if he had perfect pitch or huge range. One of the best front men ever.

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 2 роки тому

      I still don't get the idea that Dave "couldn't sing". I think that myth came about because Dave started getting sloppy as a live singer in the later Van Halen years and never really improved.

    • @smuketherealbigboyman
      @smuketherealbigboyman 2 роки тому

      @@ryanjacobson2508 that’s exactly why, people always rag on him for not being a perfect singer but thats what made van halen lmfao it was unique and fun

  • @wyattsexton7083
    @wyattsexton7083 2 роки тому +95

    Technology has taken the soul out of music today. Sad.

    • @HeadNtheClouds
      @HeadNtheClouds 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah! I have no idea what they think good music is!? It doesn’t even have guitars or drums, or real singing. No soul! No grit, no talent!

    • @annstevens6223
      @annstevens6223 2 роки тому +3

      Don’t hear the squeak of the guitar strings anymore.

    • @russmiller7687
      @russmiller7687 2 роки тому +4

      The soul is in the minor imperfections, it's the humanity of it. Tuned is for robots. I agree with Eddie, rules in music aren't rules, they're guides. You stray too far from what should sound good, and it just doesn't. But pitch perfect everything doesn't sound natural. Formula based, tuned music lacks both creativity and soul.

    • @thetruthchannel349
      @thetruthchannel349 2 роки тому

      *No, thats is NOT correct. Technology is a powerless tool. Its moronic tone-deaf idiots and amateur A&R hacks that did that on behalf of lawyers and accountants*

    • @ccampbell7214
      @ccampbell7214 2 роки тому +2

      Truly.. It makes people that don't truly have "It" .....try and fit the mold... Truly good singers are the mold!

  • @johnbutler5650
    @johnbutler5650 2 роки тому +57

    The tuned version is just weird. Dave’s electric delivery is blunted and not nearly as tasty after the tuning.

  • @randyp3871
    @randyp3871 2 роки тому +136

    Interesting experiment. I would leave him untuned.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +7

      Thanks Randy I agree.

  • @davidbakerscuba
    @davidbakerscuba 2 роки тому +78

    DLR is fantastic! Definitely my favorite lineup of VH was with DLR.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +8

      I absolutely love everything Roth did. Thanks for watching David.

    • @TheJpep2424
      @TheJpep2424 2 роки тому +1

      Terrible singer

    • @ManCrew
      @ManCrew 2 роки тому

      I really liked both eras. Dave and Sammy are great in different ways.
      I grew up listening to the greatest guitarist (EVH) and watching the NBA goat (MJ). The 80's and 90's were special.

    • @smuketherealbigboyman
      @smuketherealbigboyman 2 роки тому

      @@TheJpep2424 i really dont get the “dave is a terrible singer” yeah but he sounds better, more fun. Dont matter about range if its not as enjoyable and fun. Who cares

  • @BobbyHuff
    @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +46

    Hey All. I made a mistake in the video saying that "Dance the Night Away," was their first single...I meant it was their first single off the second album! Doc

    • @cv.l5607
      @cv.l5607 2 роки тому +1

      That's better 😊

    • @danielhoward8354
      @danielhoward8354 2 роки тому

      That too bad because you probably got blasted lol

    • @peterthePiper777
      @peterthePiper777 2 роки тому

      Bobby we knew that but the other doofus didn't

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      @@peterthePiper777 it’s all good! My mistake…I meant first single on the second album but I said it totally incorrect!

  • @ericschneider118
    @ericschneider118 2 роки тому +43

    Gifted? Sammy Hagar is awesome but there's no Big Bad Bill without Dave 🙂

    • @bgriffin3036
      @bgriffin3036 2 роки тому +6

      Or an Ice Cream Man!😄

    • @TheXanaduL
      @TheXanaduL 2 роки тому

      @@bgriffin3036 actually both of those sounded fine before dave sang them

  • @fozziebear7139
    @fozziebear7139 2 роки тому +177

    If you want to know how good he was, listen to someone else cover a VH tune. Nobody can do what Dave did.

    • @SteveBurk
      @SteveBurk 2 роки тому +15

      so True, NO ONE can sing DAve, for Dave is killer, to me the best.

    • @TheMightyVanHalen
      @TheMightyVanHalen 2 роки тому +17

      @@SteveBurk exactly.. anyone trying to cover DLR/VH sounds pretty bad.... except Ralph Saenz from Steel Panther. He was born to sing DLR. And also Corey Taylor/Slipknot was surprisingly pretty great doing "Take Your Whiskey Home"

    • @underrated5006
      @underrated5006 2 роки тому +12

      Totally agree. DLR was a fantastic singer.

    • @Tamadrummer708
      @Tamadrummer708 2 роки тому +14

      So glad someone mentioned Ralph from Steel Panther, that dude is so good and does Roth perfectly.

    • @DrTomoculus
      @DrTomoculus 2 роки тому +4

      @@TheMightyVanHalen Agreed. I was actually surprised by Corey Taylor. There's really only two singers I can think of that do it without becoming pastiche. Saenz and Taylor.

  • @scrantonguitar
    @scrantonguitar 2 роки тому +32

    He’s so much about tone and swagger. A real vocal stylist 🔥

  • @marinusvanderlubbe7673
    @marinusvanderlubbe7673 2 роки тому +39

    “His Dave thing” is what makes him great , huge difference between a showman and a lead singer , DLR IS BOTH

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks Marinus!

    • @TheJpep2424
      @TheJpep2424 2 роки тому +2

      LoL he isn't a singer. Just awful.

    • @shallex5744
      @shallex5744 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheJpep2424 he was

    • @CdpOper
      @CdpOper 2 роки тому

      Dave is a game show host that people loved Not a great singer but loved for additude

  • @DavidDiMuzio
    @DavidDiMuzio 2 роки тому +40

    I agree. I don’t dislike the tuned version of Dave. Every other singer you’ve done Tuning makes it sound clearly worse but not with this song. I would say that certain parts actually sound clearly better tuned, haha, and other parts would be better left alone.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +5

      Agreed David!! Always appreciate you watching and hanging around

    • @djjava303
      @djjava303 2 роки тому

      I definitely agree - certain parts if tuned could serve as anchor points. This said, I think the tuned section would only work in small bursts or else it starts to sound like soda without the fizz

  • @ctrockstar7168
    @ctrockstar7168 2 роки тому +32

    When you open the dictionary to the words “rock star” there’s a picture of Dave

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +5

      Couldn’t agree more!!!

    • @andybord4421
      @andybord4421 2 роки тому +2

      Rock star... icon

    • @dianecelotto
      @dianecelotto 2 роки тому +1

      Steven Tyler for me.

    • @ctrockstar7168
      @ctrockstar7168 2 роки тому

      @@dianecelotto for me it’s actually Jimmy Page first but Steven and Dave are in there too 🙂

    • @TheJpep2424
      @TheJpep2424 2 роки тому

      More like a picture of a circus act.

  • @dwcleary8694
    @dwcleary8694 2 роки тому +25

    I agree he's still good when tuned...but tuning makes it less interesting.

  • @doublejake.4846
    @doublejake.4846 2 роки тому +22

    Lets be honest, people over analyze everything now. People suffer from paralysis of analysis, you can barely hear the difference between tuned and untuned. Protools and autotune have ruin the music business. Dave was perfect vocally for those first albums, Ya Roth is not perfect but David was the right muffler for that engine. Van Halen fan since 1982.

    • @alukuhito
      @alukuhito 2 роки тому

      Let's be honest. People over-analyze everything now. People suffer from paralysis of analysis. You can barely hear the difference between tuned and untuned. Protools and autotune have ruined the music business. Dave was perfect vocally for those first albums. Yeah, Roth is not perfect, but David was the right muffler for that engine. Van Halen fan since 1982.

    • @texasbear2060
      @texasbear2060 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly, you would not even know it was tuned if you didn’t know that it was a video about tuning.

  • @TheWarriorSongProject
    @TheWarriorSongProject 2 роки тому +7

    WHOA. Eddie had his idiosyncrasies, all us musicians do, but lets remember a couple things. 1.) Eddie was a gifted, well-trained musician before he ever picked up guitar. He may not have read music, but he was musical, and he learned to play multiple instruments when most of us were teeing up to little league. 2.) Eddie is on record in countless interviews saying that they regularly tuned down a half step. instead of E they played in Eb. The only way you "TUNE" down a half step is with a tuner. He was not so reckless with his tuning. No. 3.) all early VH music and likely a large portion of their later stuff was recorded to TAPE. Multi-Track tape machines back then were notoriously temperamental, and required constant attention and calibration to remain accurate. Lapse on the routine maintenance and you will quickly learn that your tape machine is no longer spinning its gears as fast as it should be, and the result is a song or album of songs going to master at a speed thats a cunt-hair too slow or too fast, and thus results in the example from the beginning of this video. It is HIGHLY unlikely that the tuning discrepancies you find with VH records are due to anything more than vintage tape machines being not flawlessly well-kept.

    • @TheWarriorSongProject
      @TheWarriorSongProject 2 роки тому +3

      And btw, I an a studio engineer with 25 years under my belt. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to analog recording gear.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +3

      I respect your opinion but disagree with much of it. Video coming out that digs deeper into all of this. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @brian_whitscell
    @brian_whitscell 2 роки тому +5

    Favorite quote - "That's blood right there! That's blood groove!" Awesome!! Thanks for putting these videos out here!!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching Brian!

  • @mrcarlo5357
    @mrcarlo5357 2 роки тому +32

    Sounds better untuned to me tbh

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +3

      Me too Carl thank you for watching.

    • @CraigJohnstone1
      @CraigJohnstone1 2 роки тому

      Agreed.

    • @oximofo9
      @oximofo9 2 роки тому

      I dont want to pooh pooh on this channel and he's even said so himself, these vocal tracks are not "raw" sound. These songs have tons of engineering on them already, but it was all analog and typically not an edited down sample of vocals that makes AT really work. AT an already engineered track is kind of silly, but these tracks are much more raw compared to the 50 take 50 part pre and post processed recording style today.

  • @Road_Rash
    @Road_Rash 2 роки тому +14

    Maybe it's because I'm not a musician, but I'm not really hearing anything different...

  • @hybridamerica
    @hybridamerica 2 роки тому +20

    Simply put - Sammy Hagar was Bob Seger, Michael Bolton, David Coverdale.... Same sound.
    David Lee Roth was infinitely more entertaining to listen to AND watch.
    Hagar acted like a rock star, but came across as a buffoon.... Roth acted like a buffoon - but came across as a rock star.
    Early Roth with Van Halen before they made it big was incomparable

    • @sam_uelson
      @sam_uelson 2 роки тому +2

      Van halen with Dave was backyard party rock you could drink beer to. Van Hagar was corporate rock to keep executives happy.

    • @granitesevan6243
      @granitesevan6243 2 роки тому

      @@sam_uelson I agree. Everybody raves about 1984 as if it's some kind of perfect specimen, but it marks the end of my interest in Van Halen. Some great songwriting, but the sound is starting to become tasteless and vapid. It's not the synths either; it's the over-wrought, paint by numbers rock sound. They were far more exciting with all the rough edges exposed.

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah it's too bad Roth thru in the vocal towel, especially live, in the later days. People rave about Roth's early live performances with VH.

  • @john.galbraith
    @john.galbraith 2 роки тому +15

    So good. “We’ve got naked Van Halen here” Great band. Great musicians. Great video breakdown. Thanks!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching John!!

    • @jelleleeuwis4353
      @jelleleeuwis4353 2 роки тому +2

      'Naked Van Halen' is what all the 80s groupie chicks got as well!

  • @tisbonus
    @tisbonus 2 роки тому +15

    Good stuff! Diamond Dave took singing lessons one month before the recording of the 1st album. Btw, Eddie is tuned to E flat (a half step down) and Eddie sings during the chorus with Mike and Dave.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +11

      Agreed but it’s still not in tune a half step down…it’s not exactly a half step down.. If you tune your guitar a half step down and played along with it you would not be in tune to the track. Ha ha. Doesn’t matter I still love it!

    • @tisbonus
      @tisbonus 2 роки тому +2

      You're absolutely correct Dr. Huff. My guitar was just laying there, out of tune a half down and then some. They must have tuned to Ed as you stated. My guitar just happened to be in the same key as this recording eerily enough.

    • @bjenkins1117
      @bjenkins1117 2 роки тому

      @@BobbyHuff yea I always was under the impressions that ALL VH was in Eb tuning.

  • @megazillion2946
    @megazillion2946 2 роки тому +23

    Eddie Van Halen: “If it sounds good, it is good”

  • @DeanWThomas
    @DeanWThomas 2 роки тому +5

    I like the untuned better. I absolutely love you for making this video. I know David Lee Roth vocals are rough in his later years but in his prime this man was amazing in the studio and on the stage! I’m glad you pointed it out.
    I never realized that bass part either. Michael Anthony… also way underrated.

  • @bobbyragolia7170
    @bobbyragolia7170 2 роки тому +7

    Daves voice was perfect for van halen the vh albums with dave are 2nd to none

  • @texcokley4177
    @texcokley4177 2 роки тому

    Dr. Bob, you rock man! Your vids are some of the best out there! Appreciate you man!

  • @OzzyVanHalen
    @OzzyVanHalen 2 роки тому +1

    Hearing clearly what the isolated instruments sound like is like hearing them for the first time again. My favorite part of your videos honestly. It’s so damn interesting hearing that pure groove that the whole band achieved and the creativity and soul these guys put into the music.

  • @dean828
    @dean828 2 роки тому +31

    David lee Roth is the "Al Jolson" of Hard Rock... swagger, bravado, and attitude... he is a lonely man though deep inside... and hearing Michael Anthony and his bass playing by itself is a clear revelation... so sad that EVH said that all MA did was play whole notes... then again, EVH really had a dark mean side to him... sad, but true.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah agreed. Eddie is my favorite but it’s no secret that unfortunately he had some demons as well as being very sweet at times.

    • @chrisallen3008
      @chrisallen3008 2 роки тому

      Thank you, Dino! Been saying the exact same thing about DLR to anybody who'd listen since they blew me away on Labor Day, 1980.

    • @goon29x
      @goon29x 2 роки тому +2

      EVH's ego was a bummer. The guy played with such soul that you'd think he would appreciate the magic of a band that worked together so well. If your last name wasn't Van Halen you were just supporting cast.

    • @bimscutney1242
      @bimscutney1242 2 роки тому +3

      The bastards cut Mike Anthony out of all profits from merch at one point while they were still together with DD. At least that’s according to their long time manager. I read it in “Runnin’ With The Devil” by their former manager Noel Monk. A lot of shitty things went down. Who’s to say Noel didn’t have an ax to grind but….

    • @fhqwhgads1670
      @fhqwhgads1670 2 роки тому +2

      @@bimscutney1242 Sammy said the same thing in HIS biography... unfortunately, if your name is not on the tin, you are not a full member of the band according to the Brothers Van Halen

  • @tanneryordan
    @tanneryordan 2 роки тому +26

    eddie actually intentionally tuned his guitar “out of tune” to make chords more in tune. my friend allen has found the actual tunings of almost all the early vh songs, to the tenth of a cent. originally he thought ed just had different tunings for every song, but after doing several songs, he learned that some songs had the same alternate tunings as the others, sometimes from different albums. eddie was much more calculated than we think

    • @deransadventures
      @deransadventures 2 роки тому +2

      He was referring to the actual key the guitar was tuned to, not the strings individually. Lots of guitar players tune the b-string out of tune, for example, to make chords more in-tune. That's not what he was referring to here.

    • @tanneryordan
      @tanneryordan 2 роки тому +2

      @@deransadventures i know that. all of ed’s strings were out of key, but there was certainly no “tune to me” like he used to say. he said in an early interview that they tuned between e flat and e natural. he didnt just knock the b out of tune, all of the strings were knocked out of tune to each other. my main point was that eddie never flew by the seat of his pants, he was calculated and he knew his shit.

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 2 роки тому

      He tuned flat to make the tighter Strat scale easier to play.

    • @thraknik
      @thraknik 2 роки тому +3

      @@jfo3000 actually he probably did it to make it easier for Dave to sing, that's the most common reason to tune down, at least back in the day.

    • @thraknik
      @thraknik 2 роки тому +1

      You're right about the intentional nature of Ed's tuning, it's called "tempered" tuning. The problem with comparing a piano to Ed is that pianos are also tempered, and there's actually an impressive number of options. The irony is, if you tune everything to "exact pitch" things sound out of tune. The whole f- it its just rock n roll thing is bull.

  • @thefilmpoets
    @thefilmpoets Рік тому

    Where do you download this projects for mixing?

  • @AdamMundok
    @AdamMundok 2 роки тому

    Dude! This was AWESOME!! Thanks for making and sharing! First time viewer and new sub.🎶 🤘🏽😎🍻

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching Adam!

  • @urbangorilla33
    @urbangorilla33 2 роки тому +12

    "I like Dave tuned, I like Dave untuned." You need DAVE TV, partner! All Dave, All the time!

  • @mikal
    @mikal 2 роки тому +9

    Dave is the greatest rock voice of all time. People love him because of his voice, style, charisma, attitude, etc.
    P.S. Nobody, Sammy or other, could ever scream the way Dave did in the 70s/80s/90s. That's a wholly unique thing to him.

    • @MrDicasacarlitos
      @MrDicasacarlitos 2 роки тому

      DLR sucks nowadays

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +4

      In my humble opinion Roth is the greatest front man of all time.

    • @bgriffin3036
      @bgriffin3036 2 роки тому +1

      @@BobbyHuff He made rock n roll sexy for my generation. He brought the whole package...metaphorically speaking, of course.😄 I'm not just talking about those tight white pants!!

  • @mrparkinson
    @mrparkinson 2 роки тому +2

    Dont apologize for going off the tuning track, that was awesome. Cool experiment and video!

  • @CanuckQuest
    @CanuckQuest 2 роки тому

    Great job here. Listened to this song thousands of times and you showed me something new!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Haha! Thanks for watching Canuck!

  • @mykhedelic6471
    @mykhedelic6471 2 роки тому +9

    No, it doesn't matter, because it's not rocket science where a smidge off will destroy the ship it's rock'n'roll where the rocket shoots on those deviations. Rock doesn't need perfect 440 or perfect bpm-- we have that now and does anybody really care? Rock needs mischief.

  • @stevewarren4813
    @stevewarren4813 2 роки тому +15

    So, Dave was relatively close to "on pitch," correct?

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +7

      Yes absolutely Steve thanks for watching.

    • @silverjaw138
      @silverjaw138 2 роки тому +7

      He was pretty dead on.
      Dave was a much better singer than he gets credit for.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      @@silverjaw138 agreed Christopher!

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 2 роки тому

      @@silverjaw138 Dave's later live performances were pretty bad, which I think damaged his reputation as a singer.

  • @adamrimmington6577
    @adamrimmington6577 2 роки тому

    I've just found your channel and loving the stuff man. also loving seeing you still interacting with people on this video. how you aren't top of the music on UA-cam I don't know.
    You can tell how much you love van Halen and all the music you cover in your videos

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks so much for watching and for the kindness!!

  • @richpalmisano1740
    @richpalmisano1740 10 місяців тому +1

    You know...what I hear in the line, "....from across the room"...that is such a smile line. You can see him smile when he sings it...

  • @hookydoo
    @hookydoo 2 роки тому +3

    How are you able to have the individual tracks? I thought you had to have the master tapes in order to do that. Pretty cool!

  • @MikeSmedleyOLDSCHOOLSTRIPERS
    @MikeSmedleyOLDSCHOOLSTRIPERS 2 роки тому +3

    The laugh in the word “Room” is epic Dave!!

  • @romainlavoie1526
    @romainlavoie1526 2 роки тому +2

    Top Notch! Diamond Dave 💎 played his part in Rock & Roll history! Well done !

  • @FreeMTrider
    @FreeMTrider 2 роки тому

    I love this analysis. Thanks so much

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much for watching!

  • @bertall1ca
    @bertall1ca 2 роки тому +10

    Now vocal tune DLR's screams in Running with the Devil

  • @rawknrolloutlaw
    @rawknrolloutlaw 2 роки тому +4

    I love how you did this video, glad you went off the tuned path and explored other parts of Van Halen. I imagine Alex tuned his drums to Eddies sound, giving Alex that signature sound as well. What I find most interesting about Eddie and Alex is that Alex, being the older brother, took over Eddies Drums when they were young and Eddie took over Alex's guitar. Can you imagine what the music world would be like had that single event had not happened? I am guessing there would have been no world famous Van Halen, no signature Eddie sound, maybe no Diamond Dave. Who would have been musics great influence of the 70's and 80's, what direction would music have gone... Ok, I need to stop with silly questions like that and just be happy it happened the way it did. Have a great week Bob.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much man and I totally agree about Alex Van Halen’s signature sound. They called his snare drum the thunder bucket. And exceptional player with an exceptional ear for a one in 1 million town just like his brother.

    • @rawknrolloutlaw
      @rawknrolloutlaw 2 роки тому +1

      @@BobbyHuff I hear ya, those two gelled so well together. another thing I am impressed with, it goes along with the old saying, the apple does not fall far from the tree. Wolf Van Halen's music is impressive, I like that he is not copying his dad, he is making his own way with his own signature sound. And like his Dad, he is multi talented. He does so much of the work himself, from playing the instruments to much of the production work. He wants a name of his own and he is going after it, that's a tough thing to do, trying to break out of the shadow of his Dad, but he is doing it. What are your thoughts on Wolf's music, have you had much chance to hear him yet.

  • @galaxieman24
    @galaxieman24 2 роки тому

    Awesome!
    I loved the breakdown of all the parts.

  • @toddscotdrumcovers2341
    @toddscotdrumcovers2341 2 роки тому

    Awesome as usual. Love the minor bass note you pointed out! Just great listing to your analysis.

  • @DMDvideo10
    @DMDvideo10 Рік тому +4

    Dave's vocal tracks were always a lot of work. Ted T said they would do it as many times as needed to get the right feel. It was never about perfection nor did it need to be. Dave's studio voice is nothing short of marvelous!

    • @dancarter482
      @dancarter482 Рік тому

      He described it himself as "Four flat tires on a muddy road... .."

  • @AMSOfficial79
    @AMSOfficial79 2 роки тому +11

    Autotune took away the inflection but Dave is pretty damned on pitch 'untuned'.

    • @djlehara
      @djlehara Рік тому

      I think thats what I was trying to say but didnt know the words....sounds very similar to me, one just sounds a little "cleaner" to me, less rough...IDK. Im a EDM producer and DJ who loves EVH and metal....one too many shows, 7 VH beginning back in 82

  • @TheBrightSounds
    @TheBrightSounds 2 роки тому

    Such a fun segment. And spot on.

  • @mortisnoctu
    @mortisnoctu 2 роки тому

    Love this video. Great enthusiasm! Had to go off purely tuning and explore a bit!!!!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching man!

  • @abbeybelanger8118
    @abbeybelanger8118 2 роки тому +3

    I personally think that Sammy has a much broader vocal range but Dave's singing just absolutely fits the VH style

  • @charliecrash3450
    @charliecrash3450 2 роки тому +6

    As Diamond Dave says, "Sam throws a party...I am the Party!"

  • @DeerCreekAudio
    @DeerCreekAudio 2 роки тому

    how can you tune it up with all the verb on the vocal? Times I've done that, the reverb, wacks it all crazy.

  • @TimE_5150
    @TimE_5150 2 роки тому

    You are the only Doctor I look forward to seeing, especially when talking about the Mighty Van Halen! The musicianship of VH is off the charts. Thanks for doing this Bob, stay well.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks for your kind words Tim!! They are indeed MIGHTY!

  • @markadams3047
    @markadams3047 2 роки тому +8

    Dave sounded great back in the day.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Agreed Mark!

    • @mikeponce3564
      @mikeponce3564 2 роки тому

      Dave did sound great back in the day but he sounded pathetic toward the end, no disrespect to Dave at all, at one time he was beyond great...my opinion

    • @markadams3047
      @markadams3047 2 роки тому

      That's why I said back in the day lol

    • @smuketherealbigboyman
      @smuketherealbigboyman 2 роки тому

      @@mikeponce3564 he held a good tone until 88 after that eh

  • @jimulaszek5871
    @jimulaszek5871 2 роки тому +4

    Dave sounds great untuned, and basically the same tuned. DLR is underrated as a poet, a personality, and a performer!

    • @Jake24378
      @Jake24378 Рік тому +2

      Dave has never gotten the respect he deserves as a lyricist.

  • @smallbusinessthings
    @smallbusinessthings 2 роки тому

    please dont be sorry. that was amazing. i've never heard this song like this and it was AMAZING! subcribed... RIP Eddie

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks so much Kevin!!!!

  • @MidMo4020
    @MidMo4020 2 роки тому

    I was watching this on my tv.. After what you said about your wife’s clutch going out I went and got my phone just to hit the like button.. I appreciate a reasonable amount of honesty in folks😁
    Great video! Highly informative! And my respect for Alex Van Halen just doubled 🔥 Thank you!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much!!!! Im glad you get my attempt at humor!! hahaha

  • @RickEllis_
    @RickEllis_ 2 роки тому +9

    EVH tuned half a step down, to E flat, just like lots of rock guitarists do, which gives it a more chunky sound. It also makes bending notes easier. Jimmy Hendrix did this too. There’s no way he’d just tune to whatever. He used a Floyd Rose tremelo with a floating bridge. That bridge has to be adjusted to float precisely based on your tuning. No way in hell he didn’t use a tuner or his bridge wouldn’t level properly. He just went down half a step like a huge number of other rockers do.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      Hey Rick. Sorry man…absolutely incorrect. See my pinned comment.

    • @ccampbell7214
      @ccampbell7214 2 роки тому

      👍

    • @therealalexmullins
      @therealalexmullins 2 роки тому +1

      He did tune down but it wasn't based on A440...

    • @rustyduet5217
      @rustyduet5217 2 роки тому

      Thanks. Amazing how these guys don't know that.

  • @f1jones544
    @f1jones544 2 роки тому +6

    I remember hearing Poundcake for the first time on the radio. I couldn't who it was at first because of the drill part but as soon as the drums kicked in I knew it was Van Halen. That's when I knew Alex had just as much of a signature sound as Eddie did.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      Couldn’t agree MORE!!

    • @davebasch5995
      @davebasch5995 2 роки тому +3

      That snare sound is incredibly distinctive...much like Bonham's was

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      @@davebasch5995 TOTALLY AGREE DAVE!

    • @jamesbeason9256
      @jamesbeason9256 2 роки тому

      Alex was the "brown sound", not Eddie. Eddie said "Alex's drums sound like he's hitting a log. Sort of a "brown sound".
      FACT!

    • @davebasch5995
      @davebasch5995 2 роки тому +1

      @@jamesbeason9256here is EVH quote:
      “That’s funny, because people took that whole ‘brown sound’ thing totally out of context,” he said. “I was never talking about my guitar tone. I was talking about Alex’s snare drum. I’ve always thought Alex’s snare drum sounds like he’s beating on a log. It’s very organic. So it wasn’t my brown sound. It was Alex’s.”

  • @JIMJAMSC
    @JIMJAMSC 2 роки тому +1

    I was 17 when VH1 landed and knew how to play most Aerosmith/Nugent/ZZ/ Frank Marino/.. I mentally engrained that thunderous bass intro into Running W the Devil into my DNA and 40 years later can still bring it up in my head and tune dead on when checked with a tuner. Been 1/2 step down all my life.

  • @EyalBitton
    @EyalBitton 2 роки тому

    This was great! I agreed 100% on everything! I feel the same with your assessment of DLR tuned & untuned. I really appreciated your showing us the brilliant playing of ALL the guys. I loved hearing EVH's harmonics passage and I always love hearing about how much of a signature sound Alex actually has. Thanks!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Eyal! I appreciate you watching and commenting!

  • @JerryCherryBand
    @JerryCherryBand 2 роки тому +3

    Love it. Eddie, A belly dancer. Can't get any better.

  • @wgreen8808
    @wgreen8808 2 роки тому +3

    I love how you break out the individual members so we can appreciate their talent. Van Halen is and always will be one of my favorite bands... Just the way they played it is gold!!!

  • @image30p
    @image30p 2 роки тому +1

    I think one thing that's different about Dave is his voice has so many overtones. That makes it sit inside the chords better. He's also not that far off. It's really neat to check this out! Thanks!

  • @johnatkinson9501
    @johnatkinson9501 2 роки тому

    First time seeing Dr. Bob break down VH... Bob, you are amazing. Been listening to VH for 45 years and now have an even bigger appreciation for their talent

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Wow thanks John!! Very kind!

  • @lukebrown3929
    @lukebrown3929 2 роки тому +4

    Dave’s voice was raw he had a attitude in his vocals that no one could ever match. Not to mention his stage presence man what a showman. He’s the quintessential front man. He’s the measuring stick when it comes to front men

  • @UnderDog1911
    @UnderDog1911 2 роки тому +6

    As an exercise, this tinkering with the tunings is interesting. I also believe in the sanctity of the original art. We must also consider that ALL music is a manipulation of sound. No two artists create music that is exactly the same...unless the music is created solely (and soulessly) by a precise machine. Consider how two guitarists, playing the same piece, on the same instrument will still sound different from one another. "Correcting" music removes the artist from the art.... My two cents.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      Totally agree Robert and we’ll said.

  • @roberto_alves
    @roberto_alves 2 роки тому

    Hi, there, Bobby
    Fantastic video.
    But Just one question....how do you get those separate tracks?
    Regards from RIo

  • @alejoquiceno7428
    @alejoquiceno7428 2 роки тому

    Really COOL video... Was surpriced by the bass line too...

  • @tonato17
    @tonato17 2 роки тому +7

    Man, I love David lee roth vocals on Van halen even tuned, pure magic

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah even the tuning didn’t ruin him. Swagger four days.

  • @SteveBurk
    @SteveBurk 2 роки тому +15

    Roth is far superior then Hagar. Roth's sexy raspy tone, wicked screams, awesome attitude, vibrato etc..

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +5

      I love his style but could never call him a better “singer,” than Sammy. Not even close. A better stylist…yes.

    • @SteveBurk
      @SteveBurk 2 роки тому +5

      @@BobbyHuff No, Sammy is a one trick pony. Singing like a dying cat all the time. Roth has many tricks up his sleeve. A great singer is one who can sell the lyrics. That is Roth. Roth is a far better song writer too.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +2

      @@SteveBurk well we all have our own opinions…

    • @SteveBurk
      @SteveBurk 2 роки тому +4

      @@BobbyHuff It's just a fact. A great singer sells the lyrics with soul, conviction, attitude, great tone and style. That's Dave. Sammy with his lame love songs. Eddie fired SAmmy for his lyrics sucked. He noticed this once he became sober.

    • @TheMightyVanHalen
      @TheMightyVanHalen 2 роки тому +3

      @@SteveBurk all true. DLR had a ton more tricks and techniques (screams, character, vibrato, low-to-high range, great, creative lyrics). Sammy mostly just sings high and admittedly terrible lyricist.

  • @cheallen1626
    @cheallen1626 2 роки тому +1

    That bass part really stood out. totally different notes than I always thought they were.

  • @DreadPirateBob
    @DreadPirateBob 2 роки тому

    I think he put so much soul and charisma into it that even tuned it carries through

  • @shanemcdaniel1509
    @shanemcdaniel1509 2 роки тому +3

    I don't really listen to the Sammy Hagar VH really. David VH just frgn rules bro.!

  • @skooby_doobie_doonkann3334
    @skooby_doobie_doonkann3334 2 роки тому +5

    Dave's opening line "have you seen her, so fine and pretty fooled me with her style and ease" is my favorite opening line ever. And I love singing it to an incredibly hot girl😂

    • @subduction3876
      @subduction3876 2 роки тому

      Pretty sure the lyric is “...moving with a style and ease.” even though the internet tells you otherwise. The internet’s on crack. I mean it’s isolated here, you can definitely hear it, plus the other line doesn’t make sense.

    • @texasbear2060
      @texasbear2060 2 роки тому

      @@subduction3876 One version sounds like fall, the other version sounds like moving. By the way both make sense

  • @drug.3797
    @drug.3797 2 роки тому

    I would have to play with it, thanks for the different perspective...pretty damn cool!

  • @terrys3753
    @terrys3753 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this! I enjoyed the breakdown of all the parts. Do you have access to more VH tunes like this? Bring 'em on...PLEASE!!! Subscribed.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Hey Terry! Thanks! I do and they will be coming up in the future! There is another on my channel called Let’s Time Correct Van Halen and also Let’s Vocal Tune Sammy Hagar.

    • @terrys3753
      @terrys3753 2 роки тому

      @@BobbyHuff I will check them out and keeping an eye out for future VH stuff. Thanks again Bobby!

  • @bezarker68
    @bezarker68 2 роки тому +3

    Untuned sounds better, it's like a party you stumbled into and you fit right in.

  • @swettyspaghtti
    @swettyspaghtti 2 роки тому +5

    Tuned up sounds "pretty" him with no tune up sounds sincere . Like a friend telling me his story.

  • @jon4915
    @jon4915 2 роки тому

    How did you get the separate tracks? Cool video!

  • @tomrodgers7796
    @tomrodgers7796 2 роки тому

    This makes perfect sense now. I always wondered why when I played this song on the guitar, it didn’t sound quite like the recorded version. All of the guitar lesson videos on UA-cam said this was played in drop D tuning but I always felt like it was higher. Regardless of what tuning it’s in, still one of the greatest Vanhalen songs of all time. Great video!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching Tom!

  • @BSPotter
    @BSPotter 2 роки тому +3

    interesting, but there was nothing wrong with the music as it was recorded.

  • @BRR949
    @BRR949 2 роки тому +3

    I always thought he was saying 'no love in Korea' (no love you'd call real) when I was a kid. (Running With the Devil) 😆

    • @drumfix9563
      @drumfix9563 2 роки тому

      I will always sing "'no love in Korea" even though its wrong!

    • @phillipwatashe2018
      @phillipwatashe2018 2 роки тому

      Holy shit me too . How funny

  • @itstherealmeagain
    @itstherealmeagain 2 роки тому

    Hi, Love the video. I agree both versions sound great! May I ask what software your using? Thanks..New sub here.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому +1

      Hey man thanks for the sub and thanks for watching! I’m using Cubase but just know that it DOES NOT separate the tracks out like this…I got the tracks like this from a connection! I appreciate the sub my new friend.

  • @duckdisco
    @duckdisco 2 роки тому

    Hey Bobby- I like what you do here🤘😬🎶how do you feel about removing the hiss as Eddy manipulates the volume pot on "Cathedral" off of 'DIVER DOWN' and seeing what magic reveals itself!
    Thanks!
    Mark.

  • @Marcher1977
    @Marcher1977 2 роки тому +8

    Dave is a performer not a singer. There is a difference. Steve Perry is a singer. Either way, it's just fun.

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Agreed!!!

    • @TheMightyVanHalen
      @TheMightyVanHalen 2 роки тому +2

      @@BobbyHuff true nobody will confuse DLR with Steve Perry (GOAT). But I'd say DLR has a great vocal/foundation w power, projection, great vibrato and control plus character for daysssss

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 2 роки тому +1

      I'd much rather listen to Dave than Steve.

    • @edsnotgod
      @edsnotgod 2 роки тому

      @@jfo3000 tattoo tattoo

  • @dinmentor
    @dinmentor 2 роки тому +4

    Awesome vid! 🥳
    Tuned vocals sucks, that robot voice has gotta go.
    How do you get the files of these famous songs?

    • @deransadventures
      @deransadventures 2 роки тому +1

      A lot of them were used for Guitar Hero back in the day and can be found online. Bobby probably also has connections to get stuff like this that the rest of us won't have access to.

    • @keithr4691
      @keithr4691 2 роки тому

      Maybe he separated the tracks using SpectraLayers or RX 8. Would be nice to know for sure...

  • @chicagowebsiteservice8482
    @chicagowebsiteservice8482 2 роки тому

    This was interesting. Thanks. Btw, where do you get the stems?

  • @pottypooo
    @pottypooo 2 роки тому

    What software is this and how did you get all of the separate tracks?.....Very nice

  • @skooby_doobie_doonkann3334
    @skooby_doobie_doonkann3334 2 роки тому +3

    I love Dave. His voice was so RAW! That's what made him so fun and why I love those early albums so much

  • @gforce7four
    @gforce7four 2 роки тому +6

    Untuned by a MILE. Autotune sux. Cool video though as always 👍

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Agreed and thanks for watching!

  • @djSmokeShow
    @djSmokeShow 2 роки тому

    Thoroughly enjoyed this. The UA-cam algorithm is on fire this morning, it's as if this channel was custom made for me 🙂

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Oh wow that’s great! Thanks for watching!

  • @bowlingdj300
    @bowlingdj300 2 роки тому

    wow, this is super cool, one of my all time fav songs , also a #1 crank it up in the car song for sure!

    • @BobbyHuff
      @BobbyHuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks Bowl! Yeah I love this song too!