Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda - How good does the series end - FTV (Forgotten Television) (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- At the conclusion of season 2. Andromeda lost one of its main leads. Another one is changing sides. How does the final 3 seasons finish off the story. Do the shows issues during season 5 affect the overall story.
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I'm so glad you did an episode on Andromeda. It's a special gem of a show for all the reasons you described. Its got that unique take, where it's sortof like the story of the underdog rising up, except flipped because he's from the prior ruling class of a civ that no longer exists. Not something you see a lot. You get hero type characters trying to build a better world, but it's all built on hope. Very tenuous. With Andromeda, it's restoring something that once existed. It's already been done once. It's proven. It can be done again. It changes the feel of the show substantially.
And you gotta love that start. When I first started watching, I groaned. "Ugh. Another shiny space show, where everythings clean and ideal, and they have characters with strange outfits and ways of talking seemingly just to give the illusion of variety" and then BAM everything gets flipped on its head, with raping egg laying teddy bears and suicide bombing kids and genetically engineered humans who claim to be superior but are really just narcistic scavenging opportunists. It's a fish out of water show, but the fish stayed put while the water moved away from it. It's just a gem.
I might be biased though. I loved Hercules too. Kevin Sorbo is sort of like a sudo Dad to me, with Quinn Mallory from sliders and Jarod from The Pretender being sudo older brothers in a very dysfunctional family. Still, with all that Sorbo love I still couldn't watch past season 3. Don't know how you did it man, you must have some major willpower to see things through to the end. Even when it becomes torturous.
I loved the first two seasons. The last three I really didn't care for. Season three had the creation of the first new High Guard ship in three hundred years, and they destroyed it before it could even be put into service. I did like how they continued Star Crossed with the new Balance of Judgment. Most of the rest, not so much. I actually wrote down my own timeline for the show.
Keith Hamilton Cobb never gave a detailed explanation of the fall out but it was clear that Kevin Sorbo didn’t like the popularity of Tyr’s character.
Having binge watched the series on Amazon after only catching random episodes from season 1 or 2. I loved the series. I admit season 5 was strange but fascinating. The alternate timelines, the different worlds, fascinating stuff. The cast was fun and good writing abounds. But it can be confusing to wrap your mind around. Or I think it was so.I didn't have trouble, but I know I am rather smart. Its worth watching. Especially free.
Greatest show ever. I've binge watched it since episode 5 aired.
Thanks for the explanation recap, caught this show hit and miss, saw the last season but too "magical" and the whole series just felt like cutting edge 90s video games, images were way too fast, I think the expanse did ragtag crew this best
While it's great that Dylan started getting more episodes in later seasons, it still sucks that he was not fully developed throughout the rest of the show. Despite some bad things besides Hunt still being an underdeveloped main character such as Tier trying to be the bad guy, Doyle not being entirely fleshed out, a rushed ending, and other issues, at least the series didn't end on a cliffhanger, and wrapped up fine enough. I'm very happy that this show ended up being generally the more successful Gene Roddenberry show compared to Earth: Final Conflict. And it's also been released on home media which is even better! I'll be sure to give this one a watch!
It wasn't 16 generations of Neitzcheans, it's 16 centuries since the creation of the species of Neitzcheans.
If this ever got rebooted or sequel spin offed I hope they bring back old cast, and plotwise do it justice....Wish it had got better path than the one life dealt it
I hated Season 5, and I hated that Hunt was a Paradine? (however it is spelled). But overall I found the series to have some really cool concepts, but was troubled by changing writers and directions and storyline missteps. I read RHW explanation of where he wanted the show to go and I thought his ideas were really cool and wished they had come to fruition.
Babylon 5 still my favorite.
I watched the series long time ago and I am binge watching it these days. I really like the show and I think is underrated.
Suggestion: First Wave (1998 sci fi show).
Great show! The guy who played Joshua played an android in Andromeda season 2.
@@guitargodthor2 Roger Cross has a lot of TV roles. He was in Dark Matter as well.
@@GrimDarkNarrator i know and i only recognize him as Joshua every time lol
Yeah, that one was good, sci-fi bought it with 3 yr contract 66 episodes. So they kinda got to do what they wanted. There Sci-fi dumped it for newer shows.
It was like X-Files meets Wiseguy, meets highway to heaven.
They would go into different towns each week based of the book of notradamus(sp?). That predict the earth would end in 3 powerful waves, the show made it thru wave 2. His sidekick hung out in a trailer outside of town with the book to help him figure out weekly mystery.
great job man enjoyed this
I was so much looking forward to season 6!
Good job explaining Andromeda. Season 5 actually made more sense than season 4. Season 4 was the best looking season.
I met keven Serbo or what ever his real name it an a sci fi convention over a decade ago, suposedly there were scedualed for 2 moreseasons but what evere happened to the stuido caused it to go bankrupt hence why they left us in season 5 I think it was hanging with no more episodes produced due to lack of funding.
The last season reminded me to much at a classical Spaghetti Western.
THE SHOW SHOWS DEEPH AND PEAKS IN WRITING - absolutly true; that had kept me on watching this show and still loving it instead of the weaker episodes.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED. how about SPACE !1999; UFO; PRIMEVAL
LOU GRANT; TIME TUNNEL; RIPCORD; BIG VALLEY; BONANZA, HIGH CHAPARAL; PETROCELLI; THE STREETS OF SAN FRIANSISCO; KUNG FU or TIMELESS among others
I would not bother you with some German ones I like because that would be really tough on you
I watched because Lexa Doig was stunning! The show was ok.
I got two for ya. Tek war and a somewhat recent one that is often over looked like a stepchild of its franchise. Stargate universe.
I remember seeing promos for this show as a kid but never really watched it myself.
Thanks for explaining the ending. But I think I still don't get it.
Actually, I saw Rommie as Doyle's mother with Harper as her father.
Same
@@stephaniepage4334 you know the sad part? The hummer level was probably lost on everyone. Example; someone: Harper. Did you ask Rommie permission to give her a child?
Harper(getting nervous and scared) nnoo?
Someone: Did you at least buy her dinner and an entertainment vid?
Harper(in terror) no.....
Someone: And a WARSHIP gave birth to a full grown hottie with the experience of and attitude of a teenager?..... GOOD GOD, NO WONDER SHE WANTED TO KILL YOU!
Great analysis. I loved the first season and the second was good. The other seasons were pretty unwatchable.
I met Brandy Ledford the one that played Doyle at Dragoncon in Atlanta years ago she was pretty cool she liked my replica lightsaber I had.
Yeah
Lol my mom would watch Andromeda because of Keith Hamilton Cobb 😂
Only 2 comes the mine the first one is Psi Factor Chronicles of the Paranormal and the second is the War of the Worlds TV series from the late 80s early 90s
Plz do First Wave (1999)
I miss this show. 😢
I quite liked it. The very last episode in the medical stuff baffled me. By the way you want an obscure old TV series with a wild ending see BBC series Blake’s 7
Never thought Rhode fit in.
at least you say give the show a chance. Rowan J Coleman says skip.
Bruce Campbell in Jack of all Trades on UPN. As ridiculous as the show was there's at least enough good backstory behind it to explain why it happened and why it did not succeed.
love to hear your opinion on The Tomorrow People
One major issue with the show was that if you missed a few eps you were pretty lost. Ie if you missed part of season 4 and rejoined in season 5, oh my. It’s structure would have worked better today in streaming.
Hi ranger i love seen your videos why you dont make a video about a forgotten tv series of mid90s it was called l.a heat an action buddy cop series 👍👍😁😁
You could male a sequel series about hunting the destroyers of Earth
I liked season 1, it began going downhill after that
Yup, agree!
Season three has interesting episodes, even if it is episodical. Even season four, while leagues below the first three seasons in quality, was still watchable. Season five was not. There was nothing interesting in the crew spelunking around in one single starsystem, barely having anything to do. The only episode that was interesting was the one where it's explained what happened to the perseid Hohne, everything else was just white noise. But where the show just made me toss the remote and give up was when the Nietzcheans fuckin blew up Earth.... like, this show really did Earth dirty.. preyed on by the Magog, enslaved by the Nietzcheans and then it just goes kablooie. I'll admit, a planet Earth in the future that's having a hard time is rarely seen in any space opera and is an interesting concept, but what Andromeda did was just overkill, the story kept beating humanity's homeworld until there literally was nothing left.
In _Andromeda_ Lisa Ryder plays a human and Lexi Doig plays an android. In _Jason X_ Lexi Doig plays a human and Lisa Ryder plays an android.
Man, Tear (sp?) was my 2nd fav after Trans on the show and was SERIOUSLY ruined. Thanx for the review.
Please check and review...
Mercy point - 7 EPs
Century city- 7 EPs
I honestly think both of these shows were waaay ahead of their time conceptually but were never fully supported by the studio funding wise or understood/accepted by viewers.....both of those shows could easily spin off from existing franchises like Stargate. startrek or star wars (getting dizzy with all these stars...lol).
Thanks for your recommendations. I vaguely recall "Mercy Point." I use to watch a few shows on UPN back then... Shasta McNasty and Starship Troopers: The Roughnecks Chronicles comes to mind.
I had to google "Century City". Wow, that sounds like a show that was ahead of it's time. Surprised the CBS didn't give it more of a chance.
How about any of the following: the V reboot, Invasion (ABC series that take places after a hurricane), Threshold (CBS series), and The Collector (Canadian supernatural series that focuses on Faustian deals),
The year" Invasion," "Threshold", and "Surface" were on was a good year for TV. In the same year (2005 ?) ABC, CBS, and NBC all had their serialized alien invasion shows on at the same time. All three shows were cancelled after season one. The rebooted alien invasion show "V" was good too.
V (reboot(?))(2009) was AWESOME! I like how they tied in the 1980s series to this. Just when the series was going to give us action, they canceled it. Ugh. I guess I would not call the 2009 V a reboot, since it was a continuation of where the 1980s series left off. Damn you, ABC network. Just like FOX...destroyer of TV Sci Fi's.
Just finished watching the show it's fine but I felt it lacking in places and btw dont watch it on Amazon prime as the episodes are all out of order so I saw the ending of plots before the set ups
So, I finished Earth Final Conflict on July 4and boy, for a show that treated Siobhan and Lilly the way they did (it's basically putting what Sliders did to Wade ONSCREEN) it sure is worth a few chuckles that Street and Renee ended up the only main characters in the good side in season 5. I don't understand why they brought back Dean McDermott to NOT play the real Liam Kincaid. Or that the season 5 intro LIES to you. Or the Atavus enemies didn't just emerge from the chambers and the positive outcome they were expecting by remerging just did not happen. Also you mentioned that Boone was revived and that it was pointless but you didn't mention that he was KILLED OFF-SCREEN in the penultimate episode. I really liked Augur and Liam though. Even the Doors stuff was entertaining, and the Taelons were great
Yeah, buffy was popular so to get funding from tribune for final year they went with a rip of buffy, we were lucky to get any Boone, must of been favor to creators to try to get some relationship to the old show.
Season 5 was weird but I liked it. Vs season 5 Andromada, which was boring and hard to sit thru, EF:C even though you'd be hard to know you were watching same show, it wasn't boring.
i just read somewhere, its out there, one of the first writers final episode summery.. it has trance finally explaining everything to harper, who cant really remember much cause there in a possible timeline. so turns out trance is a devil, hence the tail,. there are many of them and like our devil there luminous beings and become suns. the abyss is the antithesis to the Lucifers who experience the 1 thing worse then hate, boredom. so they war, thus the first big bang. which always repeats. until now when the abyss isnt ok with writing for a reset or a reset at all, an if the abys wins all wil collapse back on itself and everything wil cease to exist. and apparently the main cast all ha major roles in the future and ar the only possible way to combat it. tyr unites al his people, Harper eventually merges with the machines bit by bit, until he is one and the leader of an enormous faction. rev starts a wayest faction to rival the size of tyrs and Dylan, and becka finds the engine of creation and merges with it. no longer existing as she did, but almost a god, trying to bring bck her dd and make things right. but to trance beka, harper, are dead as she new them and although she admits her perfect future may not be perfect, she wants her friends to live and the universe to nevr have to collapse back in and reset. maybe thats why the old man paragon told dylan she was trouble. again just an ep summery i just read on redit, but it seemed plausible enough and frankly as you said with the writers changing it would have been nice to see the ealy writers visions sen through. il try and find it and post it. if uve not already sen it that is. very much enjoy your stuff btw. hlps me sometimes decide if a show is worth spending the time on if i missed it back in the day so thank you
So Trance's character comes from a species of (spoiler) literal star-people ? Did the writers of Andromeda take the idea from Frank Herbert's ConSentiency series ?
Andromeda, despite its efforts to be different and interesting, never caught my interest. I think there's also the issue that the lead wanted to emphasize Hunt much more in later seasons, and the weird character departures or attempts at turning characters into antagonists and bringing in more servile new characters was part of that effort.
Agree. To me, Andromeda started off in the Gene Roddenberry style/ Star Trek like, which is fine by me. It made total sense since Robert Hewitt Wolfe, worked with Gene Roddenberry in the past. However, end of Season 2, it pulled a Season 3 Sliders on us, where it seems, the network was really grabbing for ideas. After Robert Hewitt Wolfe, the network and new writers vision, really lost me. As I was told, that Sorbo is to blame for the series taking such a dive.
I never got the part why the changes to characters, that involve some type of magic, to it, as with Trance. Also, with what you said in "the weird character departures or attempts at turning characters into antagonists and bringing in more servile new characters was part of that effort."
Will dylan& alien queen great grandchildren be half humanheavy and 1/8 worlder paradine?
Suggestions:
Something Is Out There
Alien Nation (the series)
Automan
Manimal
Street Hawk
War of the Worlds (1988 series)
Having watched the show a few times now you definitely have some things wrong.
Half way through the video.
He has some stuff right but has misunderstood a lot about the characters and plot.
It almost sounds like he breezed through the 5 seasons just so he could make this video.
Yah, he has a vague grasp of the story.
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I suggest star kid the 90's movie
Does that mean Dylan is dead and he’s in heaven now?
It's possible.
I'll say this about season 5; it was at a little better than Lexx's season 3.
Babylon 5 would be PERFECT for this forgotten tv series format. Of all the acclaimed science fiction shows of the 90s this one has been forgotten into obscurity over the years. A novel for TV Babylon 5 is THE SHOW that gave us more serialized shows like Lost and Game of Thrones by proving more serialized stories can work on TV.
Totally agree! I try not to use the term "Underrated" as often as others. However, Babylon 5 (B5) actually fits the definition here. When first aired, I was stationed overseas, didn't have cable, so pretty much missed the whole series. The network "Watch Comet" aired Babylon 5 in 2017-2020. I was really impressed. I was hooked after a couple episodes(While I am no Sci Fi expert, I know what I enjoy, and just like or hate shows, because others say so. I give a show three eps). I luv that the series, has such a strong fan base.
Imho, Babylon 5 truly is, groundbreaking, as Lost in Space, Star Trek, U.F.O, Blake's 7, Space:1999, Battlestar Galactic a(1970s series) and V(1980s series). Lastly, B5, has aged well. All special effects lose their appeal as time goes on. However, it's the storyline/plot, that keeps the viewers attention. B5 is the best kept Sci Fi secret of all time.
least it had a real ending
You can't cover this series without talking about the star's megalomaniac takeover of the show to make it Hercules 2.0.
lol stop lying that never happened.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Apologist.
@@Raison_d-etre Oh? Last time I checked most actors take part in the creative process to some extent. Even more so when they are literally one of the shows producers also... Kinda a big fact to omit.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Like Gordon Michael Woolvett wrote 4 episodes of Andromeda, and worked well with Lexa Doig. Both actors worked together previously on a gameshow up here in Canada called Video and Arcade Top 10.
I liked some aspects of "Starlost", great concepts but LOW budget and second rate acting.
Really people liked tyr? I found him to be the most annoying character ever in tv history.