hello! I am the artist and subject of this video!(I used to be puppychan, I go by Salem now, I'm a trans guy!!!) first off I wanna say I appreciate you laying out the fact that there's a key difference between style change and art degradation. my mental health greatly deteriorated over time because of my irl situation and the online harassment and lolcowing I received from others. I also felt the great pressure to pump out artwork to keep up with the algorithm. I know I'm like the butt of everyone's art jokes but I want others to take my example and see that sometimes mental health and lack of support system will greatly affect your hobbies. my art has gotten so much better now considering I'm around folks who love me and im getting the help I need. I have so many regrets towards my time on twitter especially to those who I have hurt due to being unstable and irresponsible. I'm almost 22 so we are definitely working towards maturity and optimism towards the world (ᵔᴥᵔ) peace out - Salem edit: (if you wanna see my new work check out wolfertinger666 on Tumblr)
Hey Salem! Congrats on embracing your true self and being in a better situation! I can't help but notice how similar we are in multiple things like age, race, gender identity, art, and even religious background (which I won't elaborate on for your own comfort) I just find it really trippy. I swear if your birthday's in December too... But hearing that you're in a better place now gives me hope that I'll also get better both mentally and artistically! Much love dude. Thank you for giving me hope
Take care Salem, being on social media with eyes on you mightve made your spiral worse without you realising, every once in a while make sure to take a break, it helps, I'm glad you're feeling better ❤.
art styles tend to lose "personality" as they become simpler and more efficient for the artist, this isn't really a huge problem for the artist, as they can always just *decide* to draw in their old style if they feel like it, (at least in most cases) but if they genuinely can't remember how? eh, it's a minor inconvenience. unless *they* also miss their old style.
"puppychan" is plural, i can assume his regressions and forgetfulness come from dissociation and did-related delusion,,, it's a really sad sight, but he's holding up much better nowadays, evolving on his current style and drawing things that make him happy
@@jezd2223 I feel like the change in style like that moreso reflects the enviroment he grew to be around online; basically things being highly sexualized which yknow isnt wrong but I also wouldnt be saying this if i didnt experience /the same thing at the same age/ ... lol Im just some random though i was never huge like he was but, certain spaces and interests will def mess with ur art style
yeah I agree! I love my commission style but it takes so long I often find myself getting bored during the process. it's much more fun when I'm doodling and being more loose, because it's a more efficient way of drawing for me, but it's also not as unique. I change brush textures often and it does alter my style enough to be noticeable, and I can usually change between fairly easily, but when I lose a brush I basically lose a style! not the worst ever but there's a couple times I wished I had a brush that got deleted or corrupted
Art improvement isn't linear. I've drawn crap and then redrawn it the next morning that made it look like it's years apart in quality. I've made my own little masterpieces only for the next piece to be absolute awful and objectively worse than the drawings before it. I've forgotten my own tips that I only remember again after I've seen my old art that made it look so much better. Puppychan can be criticized for a number of things but harping on their artistic choices is backwards and harms actual valid criticism thrown her way.
Yeah, every piece is unique, and that’s the beauty of art, whenever you put anything onto a blank canvas you can come close, but you’ll never be able to perfectly replicate said piece you drew. It always bugs me how homogenized artists are, especially with the whole thing around style, of course works will look similar to the ones that come before it, but there’s nothing *binding* that artist to it besides their passion to their craft, and muscle memory I suppose. They can switch their style with enough time and practice, albeit over a long period of time since you’ll have to get out of that “safe zone” your brain locks you in whenever you draw.
Me lmao, I could do hands yesterday but today the grip on said phalanges was NOT present! Sometimes you have to put something down, refresh yourself, and revisit it instead of harrowing over it for hours and ultimately stressing yourself out enough not to finish. There are so many determining factors, in puppychans case the direction became more geared for sex appeal and mental health definitely took it's toll. This is not the same as artists regressing, however. As art regression does happen and that's usually because of the loss of skills and care behind your very own style(s), however many you may have. Puppychan did not regress, as I've seen some claim. Just morphed and (I'm not defending any behavior whatever that can of worms is, just to be clear) unfortunately the supply and demand with followers and her content contributed. Edit: spelling mistakes
Yeah, not to mention that people only post their best work and never their “bad” ones. So to assume that artists are never allowed to draw anything bad without feeling they’ve “regressed” is super damaging to beginners
Art style "degradation" definitely sounds like something non-artists who think of artists as machines to turn out pictures they personally like would come up with. A direct result, I think, of imagining artists as "content creators" rather than people.
Especially when they call just having a simple style 'art degradation' which for me, as someone who prefers their art to be simple to draw, seems to always sound so pretentious and demeaning towards art styles that are simplier to design, ignoring how effective it can be. Its no different from when teachers or professors would demean your art because its stylised and not realistic.
Yeah!! I honestly cringe when someone calls my work content. I’m not a machine. I make no money off this. I’m doing this for myself, I’m just sharing it for others to see
Puppychan's art got "worse" because the focus changed. The older art piece of the three headed dog had more attention to detail, more thoughtful composition, and dynamic pose. Over time, she focused more on sex appeal than anything else. Sure, its more cartoony, but thats not why it seems worse. Her focus was soley on the body and sex appeal of the character. The pose is very bland and the character isn't doing anything, theyre just standing there. There's nothing to look at and nothing to say about the newer art piece.
actually id say her raw skill is better in newer art - like proportions and linework, she just didnt put any care into it and its noticable. people notice when something has alot of passion vs when someone was just mindlessly doodling
edit: fixed wording! i apologize! also, as a disclaimer, this comment isn't necessarily about this specific video but rather the topic/'drama' about 'puppy chan'. this reply isn't directed at you, but rather my ramblings on what came to my mind about the topic after reading your comment. his new pronouns are he/him. also, (regarding the 'regression' being the cause of him focusing on the characters' 'sex appeal' some people seem to assume/think (not directed at anyone specific)) drawing something that's appealing to them (or in that way) isn't a crime or morally wrong. people are allowed to do whatever they want! that's the point and joy of art! and, sure, people might not like the new style or how he decided to simplify it back then (which, he was switching the WHOLE ARTSTYLE and doing something new. it's kinda like going from being a baker to being an accountant or something. he got better at it eventually and his new art is, in my opinion, even better! and he does it all on a phone! with his fingers! that's mad impressive man. you gotta admit that.) and last of all, no matter what, his art "degrading" did NOT warrant death threats and doxxing and all the harassment. he didn't hurt anyone, and the few 'offensive' things he did like depicting queer people 'wrong' or 'fetishizing them' he didn't do with the intention of offending anyone. because of oversharing on the internet and getting popular so quick (as a minor, mind you! not even adults can handle this happening to them sometimes) his reputation is still in shambles and he's still getting harassed and threatened on the internet. not only with death but with s/a. how do you justify that? you just can't.
@sufferingRelapsed 1) i didn't know about his new pronouns 2) what? I literally never said or even implied their drawings are morally wrong, wtf. Im just trying to explain why people think the new one is worse. Obviously art cannout be objectivley worse or better, I'm just providing an explanation to why it *seems* like it is.
His art got worse because of his waning mental health. Getting a bunch of attention and having a large following at such a young age played a part in it
I’ve been drawing since I was young so lemme put in my two cents: An artist’s art is a mirror. It reflects the artist’s interests, their emotions, their desires, even if not apparent at first. So if someone really likes, for example, Sonic the Hedgehog, they might incorporate features from that series’ art direction into their art. But if they move on from Sonic, maybe not completely, those features may wane a little to their audience’s dismay or elation. Their emotions may change the process in how they draw their art, leading to a different output than what they normally make. With Puppychan’s art, I think her style ‘deteriorated’ simply because she gave her art a new focus, which uh. Tended to lean towards more *private* desires, if you get what I mean. And obviously that sort of art isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, so such a drastic shift would definitely polarize her audience.
yeah id say the regression is in their subject manner, not art itself. something that has an artistic merit (this childlike autistic badass wonder) to just slop controlled by the most basic human desire
@@MgSO-4 idk, you can make sexy art that's also cool AF and has interesting style or posing. illustrations being erotic or pornographic doesn't exclude them from artistic merit.
@@tigerfestivals5137 yeah forgot to mention that she was clout chasing and her drawings got more uninspired. less of a work or art that she put alot of care into like the first one and more like just a doodle.. and yeah even the horniness of her art is uninspired - she drew big thighs in the way that she thinks OTHERS will find sexy, but it doesnt look like she herself likes those thighs. does it makes sense? like she was mostly chasing the -look- of horny than actually drawing something horny. eh how i feel about that at least
Also, I feel like people have to stop associating an art style getting simpler as "getting worse", I've noticed my character art actually got *better* as I focused less on detail for the sake of detail (which often just resulted in my character art just looking messy and unreadable) and more on silhouette, colour theory, and readability.
@@highjumpstudios2384 Fr, I've also noticed that my anatomy, perspective, expressions, and even character designs have significantly improved since I stopped focusing on detail and more on the fundamentals.
In my personal opinion, I don’t believe that puppychan “lost her skill” or “got worse” by default. Simply as her mental health had degraded over time, so did her motivation to make the art she use to. Thats what made her drawings “worse”, not because she became worse as an artist, but because the worse her mental health got, the less motivation she had for art. I heard she’s getting help nowadays which I’m quite happy with
I'm Salem's age, and I've experienced the fear of my art being regressed. People have always criticized my art for "not being high quality" despite having to spend hours upon hours finishing a piece. I've almost quit my hobby because of accusations of "art regression." I don't care what people think of me as a person and artist.
Ugh I knew who this would be about just from reading the title. But it’s definitely possible and my art style has degraded too. Artists burn out, life gets in the way. I don’t have the energy to make a detailed piece the way I did as a high schooler, even if I have the time. But I suppose the difference is I don’t do commissions and just draw for myself.
Reminder that Puppychan bettered their artstyle as a result of isolating from the Twitter cesspool and bettering their mental health after finding out they have DID
Honestly I don’t think puppy chan’s art got worse, mental health and shit makes art harder so a simpler (and admittedly hornier) approach must have seemed more feasible
I think this is one of your better videos. Though I think there is a lot of reactionary bullshit in art related spaces online and it kinda drives me insane sometimes.
when you listen to a lot of popular art commentary channels it turns from inoffensive background noise with opinions you generally agree with into repetitive regurgitated information and desperately grasping for straws when coming up with new "drama" to talk about like oh the art community is upset again about xyz!!! and then showing like... a screenshot of 2 people on twitter 😭
@@no-be3zv I mean I already witnessed the worst ends of it in regards to that sadist cult that was organized by a transformers collector who only got in trouble after abusing an autistic person who didn't even do anything.
I could imagine “degradation” occurring if someone just isn’t practicing and the skills get rusty if they don’t continue to pursue those advanced skills.
btw yall puppychan is doing a lot better these days and goes by he/him now! edit: looking at some of the replies to this comment, can this PLEASE be your reminder to not waste your energy and Time of Day on people who didn't learn basic human empathy at age 5 (read: transphobes)
A lot of the time "deterioration" is just a simpler style and it can even be harder to draw in a simpler style bc you have to make choices about what to simplify.
10:13 THIS FRICK HOLY MOLY CHEESE AND RICE MOONY. I am TIRED of people complaining about an artist not doing what they like anymore. Artists are people and they develop. So does their art. The situation reads the exact same as the Komi-chan manga dispute. Your timeline is YOUR timeline. You build it yourself and cater to your own needs. Can the FYP and some online coverage boost the chances you'll see something you hate? Yeah. Happens every day. I block people I don't want to see the content of. Nor do I engage with content of a similar variety (no comments, watches, reblogs, etc etc). Not liking something anymore is a perfectly fine. You can unfollow, you can block, you can dislike. Why bother commenting on something so insignificant to you? I get it. I'm a fan of creators who've changed drastically. I cherish their old work, I revisit it for inspo or just because I like it. That doesn't mean that the work they produce now is worse, or have regressed, it's just not made for my palette anymore. AND THAT'S FINE. Dragging people online is a hobby I'm sick of hearing about. Go touch some grass, or, better yet, draw in the style you like so much! They're not using it anymore, so incorporate that or take from it wholesale. TL;DR: This is an annoying phenomenon and it's a huge nothing burger Twitter likes to do once a week. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
Alrighty, so artstyles are always changing In my experience, I used to draw "anime" (ik ik, you can probs imagine it now) and all my characters (girl or boy) were very very thin and skinny, cause thats what I knew. Then, I slowly moved to a more stylized approach, and my characters had waists (yippee) But earlier this year, I'd been unhappy with it, so slowly I grew a more cartoony styles, with better diversity (hurray!) and its still evolving! Now what do I think abt puppychan? The first image is a really good style, supper cool and vibrant and IS THAT A VEHICLE?! It was full of personality. If she was unhappy cause she wanted something different its fine. but the next image isnt a degrade because of how it looks, its more because of her focus. Now she wanted to draw things which were "sexy" cause that mighta reached more with...those people >:( The style is good, both of them are nice, but the second one is clearly horny furry bait with really big thighs and emphasize on the "areas" (not saying you can't do that, but I find it weird) Basically, she went from doing art that was cool and she liked, to art that would get more likes from "special" people
i used to draw in a more ''furry-esque'' detailed art style back in the day. now i draw in a much more abstract way, mostly influenced by popular animation styles from the internet and from animated media back in the early 2000's. ive always struggled to draw anything but characters on a blank background because of my generally low energy levels so its easier for me to think that my art has gotten worse over time since i dont really put hours upon hours into intricate shading anymore. at the same time, my characters feel a lot more unique now as well since drawing in a simpler art style gave me more time to focus on dynamic poses (when i feel like doing those) and good use of shape language and such for better character designs. i'd say i've gotten worse in some ways and better in others. the only reason why im saying that i did get worse in some areas is mostly because of burnout/lingering fatigue from depression making it hard for me to draw as much or in the same way that i used to
@@tigerfestivals5137 Yeah but it’s a doodle. I can’t imagine holding that piece to the standard of a fully finished artwork. I don’t think puppychan was expecting for people to be over-analyzing one of his random character doodles either.
Thought I'd never hear this voice again. I'm glad to see you're taking the steps to change yourself. Good luck with the career change and I hope you continue to grow as a person ^^
Bro I'm been trying to figure out why is my artstyle degrading, because my previous art works where more detaild unlike my new artworks, and this video explained it all. Thank you :].
I think the argument ends at "art is subjective" An art style can't be worse than another as long as time, effort, and expression was put into refining it.
I don’t think they can as long as you put enough of effort into it,but they can become lazier or more bad on purpose with your art style in this sort of case
I will say, my art personally did absolutely degrade during 2022. I draw myself a new profile picture for every year of art fight, and it always depicts a different design of the same character in the same pose. As a result, I use these to track my progress. There was a noticeable dip in the quality of the art from 2021-2022, only for the quality to shoot back up with 2023 and 2024. The art quality degraded, but it did get better
Off topic but I feel like unfairly criticizing an artist who is considered a bad person for their art is damaging to other artists. Just because someone did a bad thing doesn’t mean what they produce is bad- and someone may look at what that “bad” person produces and say “Well it’s better than what I make, so I must be not good enough”. I feel like people have gotten too comfortable clowning on people who did bad things instead of genuinely holding people accountable…
Exactly. Its just hurting people who draw in a similiar way who have nothing to do with what happened. Someone doing something awful does not give you the right to hate on aspects of them that have nothing to do with their actions. It shifts the focus away from criticizing their behaviour and wanting them to take accountability so that people have an excuse to start mindlessly dogpiling and spreading hatred instead.
@@interstella-eyes This!!! I wish more people understood this. I hate so much how people make jokes out of disgusting people and situations to a point where nobody finds it as horrifying as it actually is. Like how people almost immediately started making jokes about Smartschoolboy9. They’re not even funny or witty jokes, just repetitive garbage
I agree, I personally knew a transphobic person who'd harassed me and my friends, and called us slurs just because they weren't bigoted like him who's an artist with really good art. It made me uncomfortable hearing my friends say his art was trash and or bad, because to me it was pretty impressive. I understood that on one hand they just wanted to make me feel better, but it wasn't the truth, and I didn't want any pity like that just to boost my own art. This experience has pushed me to keep going with my art and try to get better, to prove to myself that I can be good in my own way.
The second example that you don’t end up talking about does actually have improvement in the right direction! Like sure the one on the left has coloured lines and a more dynamic pose. but anyone can colour their lines, and the anatomy isn’t great, the line weight is inconsistent and some lines are scratchy or stiff. Whereas the right one has more confident smooth lines, a more contrasting and pleasing black, better anatomy (not the bigger bust and hips, I mean look at the hands), and just shows better skill. And they didn’t feel like they had to push themselves for a better pose or background or coloured lines to feel proud of the piece. Doesn’t mean they can’t still do those things.
it's like buying two packs of chips with completely different flavors, trying one that you really liked, and the second one that tasted terrible, and then concluding that this chip company started making bad chips because of the new flavor that you personally didn't like
"can your artstyle degrade?" Yes! and what you just said in the video, burnout or rushed art can make your artstyle degrade. Remember, we artists are not machines and this phenomenon is normal to have, do not treat yourself like sh!t just to satisfy others ^^
People don't realice that artist are not machines "Oh noh! This style is worst now! It went degradated and the artist is not going to paint the same again 😢😢😢" ...Dude, that's not how the brain works. Literally is JUST a drawing born for circumstances. That artist can actually make again art like the old "better" version if they want, but they choose to not for x or y and that's totally fine
It's not likely they aren't capable of drawing like that anymore, they probably could if they wanted to experiment with art again, they just don't want to try anymore fsr, others are right about the change in focus thing, experimental works are pretty much always an artist's best cuz they actually explore their skills and possibilities instead of merely using it as a tool to materialize images and desires
I've decided to simplify my art style mainly because it was extremely detailed and it took me months to get a drawing done, which ended up resulting in me getting burnt out and losing interest in the piece I was making before getting to finish it. I just wanted to have fun drawing again and be able to finish a drawing in a few days rather than spending weeks on the same drawing until I get bored of it, plus I want to experiment with colours and exaggerating features or expressions rather than limiting myself to semi realism. So I would personally consider it an upgrade rather than a downgrade in my case
Making one "bad" drawing is not "art regression". The two pieces just aren’t comparable. One is a more complex illustration, the other is a doodle which was probably rushed so it could be posted quickly. The whole internet even jumped on LAVENDERTOWNE once for making some bad designs and started calling her stuff art regression despite her other great works and solid reputation in the UA-cam art community. I just feel terrible that artists are forced to rush things for social media and then their audience dares to feel ENTITLED to certain free work from them. To be clear, Salem never had any obligation to draw in his old style. Artists can go through slumps too and it’s not any indication of poor moral character. Salem was making art content for free and he got harassed for it because people felt entitled to "good" work from him. When they received work they didn’t like, they became petulant children. I’m an artist and I’m terrified to try to advertise on social media for this reason. Sometimes I have a bad drawing day and everything looks like shit. Should I get doxxed for that? What if I’m having a stressful year and don’t post anything for a long time. Should people start showing up at my house as punishment?
I believe that drawing for yourself rather than drawing for other people is the healthier way to gain traction if you wish to post it online. And yes, it is very true that mental state affects the artwork we create. Just look at Louis Wain, an artist whose schizophrenia began to gradually affect his art over time. And while it was still good art, the way his brain changed affected what he created. Anyways, to all the younger artists out there- do not get discouraged by negative comments or feedback. Unless it’s constructive criticism, don’t take it and create what you love.
Tl;dr Just make art the way you can and like to and not just how you want. What you want will likely come sooner this way than the reverse. As someone who struggles to make anything, I already firmly believe that the person with their lives and process preferences have bigger effects on art style than the media and art the artist consume. I presume so many fallen wannabes think the other way around which made them think they had to make art in ways that don't work as well for themselves.
I hate it when people that call “art regression” instead of understanding that is just artists finding new focuses in their style and art. Drastically changing your art style also helps to improve a definitive one. Studying your art is trying everything to see what you feel most comfortable with and not. PuppyChan just did what every artist does to a certain point in their life.
Very much in agreement. Sometimes I look at my art, and in some ways feel I am doing "worse", but in many others, I have improved massively. And a large part of that feeling is just that I straight up don't find myself driven to spend ungodly amounts of hours on just one piece anymore. But when I do get commissioned for something more elaborate, or I feel inspired to go whole hog on a piece? I uttetly blow my past self out of the water in every aspect, be it poses, line quality, color choices, anatomy, overall aesthetic cohesion. Folks just really gotta understand the social circumstances in which art is produced under.
Kinda reminds me of Ginga. The first two manga, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin and Ginga Densetsu Weed, were quite expressive with a dog centered cast. You can see a lot of attention to detail with poses and varying dog breeds. It's amazing! Sadly, the series has degraded since then, and everyone looks samey, with less love put into poses and whatnot.
another person who had the same general rep as puppychan w/ art "degradation" is rcdart. People had reasons not 2 like their stuff (especially the unfortunate way they'd tend 2 draw POC characters), but a LOT of it was chalked up 2 their art getting worse as time went on. I was a fan of their older work n watched their style change in real time, n yeah, I didn't quite care for their newer stuff myself. I even fell into agreeing w/ the idea it had devolved n stagnated at the time. I haven't thought abt all of that much in years, but this video resurfaced that memory, n made me reflect on my old views... and, yeah! I agree that a style can't degrade just by changing into a different one. that's just change. People are allowed 2 move on n change how they create, n I've done that many times myself in the past. Doesn't mean I've gotta like the newer work, but I should respect how people change (while remaining critical of how they use that change, as in puppychan's case it was for character sexualization, n for rcdart it was.. also character sexualization in some cases + offensive racial caricatures).
I say it really depends on how you view the styles and also the actual circumstances of the artist. If a person's style was like this cool unique style and then it kind of shifted to be this simpler, less dynamic, more Twitter gooner slop-esque style, I wouldn't fault you for saying the style got worse. But maybe someone else likes that style more, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I think it's also important to consider that maybe the artist isn't doing well physically or mentally, maybe they're fatigued. And if any of these do apply, then it's even more cruel to make it a big public spectacle to be mocked. It doesn't help anyone, and just makes other artists scared to become the next Puppychan. Criticism is best when constructive and not destructive. All things others before me have said, including you, the uploader, but that is how I feel on the matter.
"If your style was unque and cool and awesome and it was changed for a sh1tty bad poopoo one, there's nothing wrong with it and it's ok to like things like these even thought they'r very ass, the artist can maybe be mentally unwell or something" Lol
The thing with art regression is that people use it and don’t know what it means. Art regression for me and how I saw it typically used before artok ran with it was “when an artist artsyle degrades due to them drawing r34, typically objectifying the character more and the color becoming dull”
I definitely had my art (not my style just art in general) degrade, I use to date someone who had this issue too, the more they drew the lazier they got, it can come and go but your art can definitely get worse over time due to personal factors but it's not a death sentence to your art.
THE DUDE FROM JACKRUDEART’S STREAMS? this video is really reassuring, it’s a bit painful to see my art look janky but experimenting is part of the art process and it’s fun! Thanks for this lol
Tbh i wouldnt refer to it as "deteriating" or "degration", every artist has their own journey and their art skills are their sword. I don't know much about this artist other than this video but an art skill is like a sword with specific attributes. When the artist comes into a new situation (like wanting to go for a more anime/cel shading style) they have to reforge their sword from bottom up if they've used a sword that specialized in "painting, realism" so really, its okay to "suck" especially for a long or little while. Its just our own journey at making our own swords
I don't think Puppy chans art got worse, it just went from Cool to cute, and I could see how someone who followed for cool would be mad that it went cute but the opposite could be true for a different artist so its not "worse" just entirely different and therefore might need a different audience.
I think puppychan's art got more generic looking because she started subconsciously choosing lust and fetishisation over style and expression. It sounds like something some people would turn to when they're mental health degrades.
Yup I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change! I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while. This is actually my second channel!
@@extradoven I didn't even realize it was you, thank you for changing the way you articulate your words for your new content. Not to be rude but it was a bit draining sitting through the pauses in your speech. I hope you keep on improving and for the better.
Really happy you talked about those with waning health issues/ disabilities. I think its so easy to put every artist in the same box especially when one is spoiled by their content. That all being said I'd love to see you explore the decline of Frank Miller's work 🥲
Ngl being inconsistent is the best kind of consistent that I see in artists. If it looks too similiar (fuck NFTs) then yeah, it would feel weird, but at the same time you've achieved a layer of mastery that keeps it honed.
Yes, excessive overtime can cause an artist's work to degrade, working more than forty hours a week is rarely healthy. I think people who work as artists learn to make the art that makes them money, and I don't know if that degrades their ability to achieve other styles, but it certainly saps their motivation to experiment. Why change what is already bringing you success? Especially when you could lose that success the moment people stop liking what you do,
In my opinion... art is just subjective. For someone (in this case most people) the older drawing is better, and it is understandable, because the drawing is very detailed, it has this cool rebellious personality. It is understandable too if you like the newer drawing. It is more minimalistic, cutesy, but, yes, it does look more generic and, like, it is trying to appeal to... certain people. The newer art isn't bad, but is visible that the artist is tired and doesn't have motivation for art as much as they used to... (Reminds me of Sashley. Her backstory isn't as weird and creepy, but I personally prefer her 2019 art style, because it isn't as h*rn*fied as her current art... sorry for ranting)
Actually I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change! Since I started to mainly focus on interviewing artists, I noticed people kept thinking I still made exposé videos despite them being normal interviews with artists. I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while. This is actually my second channel, my main channel is the artist interviews!
Oh that was me, I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change! I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while. This is actually my second channel; it's nice to make more uplifting videos rather than ones that tear down artists.
Personally, I prefer to call it "Stagnation" instead of "Deterioration". It's less that it got worse and more that it's not progressing. Sometimes it starts to self cannibalize and look worse but it's only because you aren't changing anything up. Stagnant water is bad for your health and needs to be dumped and changed out asap
I don't think puppy Chan's art still got worse it just got simplified due to health issues but it shouldn't be an excuse for behavior as an artist myself I have to pretty much suffer through my disabilities as well if artists were given more time to work on stuff of course it will get better within time, I'm glad I don't need to rush anymore I've gotten a lot better within the time frame. I understand the importance of can a project on time health comes first
I stopped drawing for about a year and a half due to depression. I recently started feeling better and i think my art has gotten better as well. Ive been drawing a lot and re-discovering my art style. :)
Tbh I think trying to stick to the one style when you don't want to can be the reason to burnout therefore art actually is getting worse because you try to stay on the same level and are blocked from going up and sooner or later you'll find yourself going down
My two cents on Puppychan, I'm more so shocked about the downgrade of the cerebrus character itself. The character before seemed to have a fun personality and a story, and now it seems like it's just become material for someone's gooning sesh and that seems so unfortunate... (as an artist, I'm really not fond of nsfw/erotic artists because of how they depict female characters) But if Puppychan was happy with this development then so be it, they really didn't deserve harassment and humiliation.
I love the video! You have a great art style and a way of presenting information. As a request: Could you invest some extra time in manual captions? Sometimes a great video (for me) can be spoiled by auto captions not working the way they should, and having manually written captions adds a whole extra level of love and care and admiration into the media. Cheers!
I wouldn‘t really say Puppychan died down. Sure their poses aren‘t as interesting but it‘s still good art. Best thing I can think of similar to it is Vivziepops art style
i feel art doesint really degrade it more changes as the person changes, like if their interest change or they find a style more fun to draw. and sometimes artstyles can just go back. i know i changed mine from a simple but styleised style to a rubberhose (idk how to spell it ;w;) style and then back to a simple styleised one. it just apart of art development ^^
I find it interesting because I used to be someone who made fun of artists who had this beautiful old style and suddenly their art "downgraded" and was no lack luster. As someone who's drawn all my life and still do, personally I've found that drawing poorly or more messily has made me happier, I actually...enjoy making art now. I grew up under the idea [with people like my father pushing this idea as well] that my art had to be some way, it had to be clean and perfect realistic, I wanted to build towards that instead of actually allowing myself to explore what felt nice to me. I despised my art and the process and everything along with it cuz I could never get to a pedastal I created. Art was not something I enjoyed it was a job I had to finish. Art is something that should be enjoyed by all, and if for some detailed complex artstyles is what they're happy doing great! if you like the simple clean style go for it! I like this video because I actually recently followed the artist mentioned on tumblr! You shouldn't push yourself knowing that it will only make the process and your mindset [Im an example] We get on ourselves for being unable to produce these constants 8,9,10 out of 10s when art is made to be messy, to be imperfect and wonky, its made to be clear that you made it, whether its a simple doodle or a detailed painting. Go with the flow, create
I don’t think it’s really possibly to get a worse art style over time. Most artists aren’t 100% consistent with their art quality, they might settle onto a specific style they like the most, they might constantly shift between styles, they just draw what they want in the moment.
hello! I am the artist and subject of this video!(I used to be puppychan, I go by Salem now, I'm a trans guy!!!)
first off I wanna say I appreciate you laying out the fact that there's a key difference between style change and art degradation.
my mental health greatly deteriorated over time because of my irl situation and the online harassment and lolcowing I received from others.
I also felt the great pressure to pump out artwork to keep up with the algorithm.
I know I'm like the butt of everyone's art jokes but I want others to take my example and see that sometimes mental health and lack of support system will greatly affect your hobbies. my art has gotten so much better now considering I'm around folks who love me and im getting the help I need.
I have so many regrets towards my time on twitter especially to those who I have hurt due to being unstable and irresponsible. I'm almost 22 so we are definitely working towards maturity and optimism towards the world (ᵔᴥᵔ)
peace out - Salem
edit: (if you wanna see my new work check out wolfertinger666 on Tumblr)
I’m glad you’re doing better now! :]
I hope you are doing well Salem! I really like all your artwork!
Hey Salem! Congrats on embracing your true self and being in a better situation! I can't help but notice how similar we are in multiple things like age, race, gender identity, art, and even religious background (which I won't elaborate on for your own comfort) I just find it really trippy. I swear if your birthday's in December too... But hearing that you're in a better place now gives me hope that I'll also get better both mentally and artistically! Much love dude. Thank you for giving me hope
Ayooo congrats🙌
Take care Salem, being on social media with eyes on you mightve made your spiral worse without you realising, every once in a while make sure to take a break, it helps, I'm glad you're feeling better ❤.
art styles tend to lose "personality" as they become simpler and more efficient for the artist, this isn't really a huge problem for the artist, as they can always just *decide* to draw in their old style if they feel like it, (at least in most cases)
but if they genuinely can't remember how? eh, it's a minor inconvenience.
unless *they* also miss their old style.
"puppychan" is plural, i can assume his regressions and forgetfulness come from dissociation and did-related delusion,,, it's a really sad sight, but he's holding up much better nowadays, evolving on his current style and drawing things that make him happy
@@jezd2223 I feel like the change in style like that moreso reflects the enviroment he grew to be around online; basically things being highly sexualized which yknow isnt wrong but I also wouldnt be saying this if i didnt experience /the same thing at the same age/ ... lol
Im just some random though i was never huge like he was but, certain spaces and interests will def mess with ur art style
yeah I agree! I love my commission style but it takes so long I often find myself getting bored during the process. it's much more fun when I'm doodling and being more loose, because it's a more efficient way of drawing for me, but it's also not as unique. I change brush textures often and it does alter my style enough to be noticeable, and I can usually change between fairly easily, but when I lose a brush I basically lose a style! not the worst ever but there's a couple times I wished I had a brush that got deleted or corrupted
its like jojo
it just keeps changing and the old man can't go back
Art improvement isn't linear. I've drawn crap and then redrawn it the next morning that made it look like it's years apart in quality. I've made my own little masterpieces only for the next piece to be absolute awful and objectively worse than the drawings before it.
I've forgotten my own tips that I only remember again after I've seen my old art that made it look so much better.
Puppychan can be criticized for a number of things but harping on their artistic choices is backwards and harms actual valid criticism thrown her way.
duuude, that is SO me, there's so many times where my art gets inconsistent like that
Yeah, every piece is unique, and that’s the beauty of art, whenever you put anything onto a blank canvas you can come close, but you’ll never be able to perfectly replicate said piece you drew.
It always bugs me how homogenized artists are, especially with the whole thing around style, of course works will look similar to the ones that come before it, but there’s nothing *binding* that artist to it besides their passion to their craft, and muscle memory I suppose. They can switch their style with enough time and practice, albeit over a long period of time since you’ll have to get out of that “safe zone” your brain locks you in whenever you draw.
Me lmao, I could do hands yesterday but today the grip on said phalanges was NOT present! Sometimes you have to put something down, refresh yourself, and revisit it instead of harrowing over it for hours and ultimately stressing yourself out enough not to finish. There are so many determining factors, in puppychans case the direction became more geared for sex appeal and mental health definitely took it's toll. This is not the same as artists regressing, however. As art regression does happen and that's usually because of the loss of skills and care behind your very own style(s), however many you may have. Puppychan did not regress, as I've seen some claim. Just morphed and (I'm not defending any behavior whatever that can of worms is, just to be clear) unfortunately the supply and demand with followers and her content contributed.
Edit: spelling mistakes
Thank you !
Yeah, not to mention that people only post their best work and never their “bad” ones. So to assume that artists are never allowed to draw anything bad without feeling they’ve “regressed” is super damaging to beginners
Art style "degradation" definitely sounds like something non-artists who think of artists as machines to turn out pictures they personally like would come up with. A direct result, I think, of imagining artists as "content creators" rather than people.
Yeah, can't Word it better than you
Definitely agree with that one.
Especially when they call just having a simple style 'art degradation' which for me, as someone who prefers their art to be simple to draw, seems to always sound so pretentious and demeaning towards art styles that are simplier to design, ignoring how effective it can be. Its no different from when teachers or professors would demean your art because its stylised and not realistic.
Yeah!! I honestly cringe when someone calls my work content. I’m not a machine. I make no money off this. I’m doing this for myself, I’m just sharing it for others to see
Puppychan's art got "worse" because the focus changed. The older art piece of the three headed dog had more attention to detail, more thoughtful composition, and dynamic pose. Over time, she focused more on sex appeal than anything else. Sure, its more cartoony, but thats not why it seems worse. Her focus was soley on the body and sex appeal of the character. The pose is very bland and the character isn't doing anything, theyre just standing there. There's nothing to look at and nothing to say about the newer art piece.
actually id say her raw skill is better in newer art - like proportions and linework, she just didnt put any care into it and its noticable. people notice when something has alot of passion vs when someone was just mindlessly doodling
edit: fixed wording! i apologize! also, as a disclaimer, this comment isn't necessarily about this specific video but rather the topic/'drama' about 'puppy chan'. this reply isn't directed at you, but rather my ramblings on what came to my mind about the topic after reading your comment.
his new pronouns are he/him. also, (regarding the 'regression' being the cause of him focusing on the characters' 'sex appeal' some people seem to assume/think (not directed at anyone specific)) drawing something that's appealing to them (or in that way) isn't a crime or morally wrong. people are allowed to do whatever they want! that's the point and joy of art!
and, sure, people might not like the new style or how he decided to simplify it back then (which, he was switching the WHOLE ARTSTYLE and doing something new. it's kinda like going from being a baker to being an accountant or something. he got better at it eventually and his new art is, in my opinion, even better! and he does it all on a phone! with his fingers! that's mad impressive man. you gotta admit that.)
and last of all, no matter what, his art "degrading" did NOT warrant death threats and doxxing and all the harassment. he didn't hurt anyone, and the few 'offensive' things he did like depicting queer people 'wrong' or 'fetishizing them' he didn't do with the intention of offending anyone.
because of oversharing on the internet and getting popular so quick (as a minor, mind you! not even adults can handle this happening to them sometimes) his reputation is still in shambles and he's still getting harassed and threatened on the internet. not only with death but with s/a. how do you justify that? you just can't.
@@sufferingRelapsed they literally didn't mention any of that or argue otherwise. why are you looking for a fight :/
@sufferingRelapsed 1) i didn't know about his new pronouns 2) what? I literally never said or even implied their drawings are morally wrong, wtf. Im just trying to explain why people think the new one is worse. Obviously art cannout be objectivley worse or better, I'm just providing an explanation to why it *seems* like it is.
His art got worse because of his waning mental health. Getting a bunch of attention and having a large following at such a young age played a part in it
3:20 "If you look on screen for a moment and stop drawing-"
OH NO HE CAUGHT US
how did he know that I hearing podcast to draw
I WAS FLABBERGASTED WHEN HE SAID THAT HOW DID HE KNOW???
I looked up at the screen so fast 😭
He knows!
How tf
I’ve been drawing since I was young so lemme put in my two cents:
An artist’s art is a mirror. It reflects the artist’s interests, their emotions, their desires, even if not apparent at first. So if someone really likes, for example, Sonic the Hedgehog, they might incorporate features from that series’ art direction into their art. But if they move on from Sonic, maybe not completely, those features may wane a little to their audience’s dismay or elation. Their emotions may change the process in how they draw their art, leading to a different output than what they normally make.
With Puppychan’s art, I think her style ‘deteriorated’ simply because she gave her art a new focus, which uh. Tended to lean towards more *private* desires, if you get what I mean. And obviously that sort of art isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, so such a drastic shift would definitely polarize her audience.
Yeah! I'm glad someone at least thought about that:)
yeah id say the regression is in their subject manner, not art itself. something that has an artistic merit (this childlike autistic badass wonder) to just slop controlled by the most basic human desire
@@MgSO-4 idk, you can make sexy art that's also cool AF and has interesting style or posing. illustrations being erotic or pornographic doesn't exclude them from artistic merit.
@@tigerfestivals5137 yeah forgot to mention that she was clout chasing and her drawings got more uninspired. less of a work or art that she put alot of care into like the first one and more like just a doodle..
and yeah even the horniness of her art is uninspired - she drew big thighs in the way that she thinks OTHERS will find sexy, but it doesnt look like she herself likes those thighs. does it makes sense? like she was mostly chasing the -look- of horny than actually drawing something horny. eh how i feel about that at least
@@tigerfestivals5137It is slutshamimg to exclude them from art.
Also, I feel like people have to stop associating an art style getting simpler as "getting worse", I've noticed my character art actually got *better* as I focused less on detail for the sake of detail (which often just resulted in my character art just looking messy and unreadable) and more on silhouette, colour theory, and readability.
Sometimes we have to go back to the basics and work our way up. I get it.
@@highjumpstudios2384 Fr, I've also noticed that my anatomy, perspective, expressions, and even character designs have significantly improved since I stopped focusing on detail and more on the fundamentals.
In my personal opinion, I don’t believe that puppychan “lost her skill” or “got worse” by default. Simply as her mental health had degraded over time, so did her motivation to make the art she use to. Thats what made her drawings “worse”, not because she became worse as an artist, but because the worse her mental health got, the less motivation she had for art. I heard she’s getting help nowadays which I’m quite happy with
iirc, he’s on tumblr now and his art has improved TREMENDOUSLY.
@@NEEDLESALADWhat's puppychans name on there?
hes definitely improved as he allowed himself to enjoy his art, even if its still "sexual", it's his medium to create and express himself in
He makes some beautiful paintings now, though his account is 18+
this is kinda like what happened to nirvana when kurt cobain started doing tons of drugs
I'm Salem's age, and I've experienced the fear of my art being regressed. People have always criticized my art for "not being high quality" despite having to spend hours upon hours finishing a piece.
I've almost quit my hobby because of accusations of "art regression." I don't care what people think of me as a person and artist.
Ugh I knew who this would be about just from reading the title. But it’s definitely possible and my art style has degraded too. Artists burn out, life gets in the way. I don’t have the energy to make a detailed piece the way I did as a high schooler, even if I have the time. But I suppose the difference is I don’t do commissions and just draw for myself.
exactly and it just Happens. plus, plenty of artists fluctuate in art style all the time, depending on what mood they're trying to go for.
Reminder that Puppychan bettered their artstyle as a result of isolating from the Twitter cesspool and bettering their mental health after finding out they have DID
Honestly I don’t think puppy chan’s art got worse, mental health and shit makes art harder so a simpler (and admittedly hornier) approach must have seemed more feasible
I think this is one of your better videos. Though I think there is a lot of reactionary bullshit in art related spaces online and it kinda drives me insane sometimes.
when you listen to a lot of popular art commentary channels it turns from inoffensive background noise with opinions you generally agree with into repetitive regurgitated information and desperately grasping for straws when coming up with new "drama" to talk about like oh the art community is upset again about xyz!!! and then showing like... a screenshot of 2 people on twitter 😭
@@no-be3zv I mean I already witnessed the worst ends of it in regards to that sadist cult that was organized by a transformers collector who only got in trouble after abusing an autistic person who didn't even do anything.
I could imagine “degradation” occurring if someone just isn’t practicing and the skills get rusty if they don’t continue to pursue those advanced skills.
btw yall puppychan is doing a lot better these days and goes by he/him now!
edit: looking at some of the replies to this comment, can this PLEASE be your reminder to not waste your energy and Time of Day on people who didn't learn basic human empathy at age 5 (read: transphobes)
To be fair, He isn't really "Puppychan" anymore since remember he technically are different people (He said he had D.I.D I think?) !!
Bullshit I call it.
Still, I won't apology to him after that chat leak.
(I'm not the victim btw)
(HOLD ON, i think I've missed the situation)
@@hitori-uj1nt yeah ur right i think
I hope so :( the drama is rly sad but I hope he took accountability for some things
Huh, I've never thought it like that. But it makes sense...art is subjective and, overall, a long project
A lot of the time "deterioration" is just a simpler style and it can even be harder to draw in a simpler style bc you have to make choices about what to simplify.
The art style doesn’t deteriorate, it’s the skill set and inspiration.
i think the art community's fixation on art style is just a very misguided way to look at art tbh
10:13 THIS FRICK HOLY MOLY CHEESE AND RICE MOONY. I am TIRED of people complaining about an artist not doing what they like anymore. Artists are people and they develop. So does their art. The situation reads the exact same as the Komi-chan manga dispute.
Your timeline is YOUR timeline. You build it yourself and cater to your own needs. Can the FYP and some online coverage boost the chances you'll see something you hate? Yeah. Happens every day. I block people I don't want to see the content of. Nor do I engage with content of a similar variety (no comments, watches, reblogs, etc etc). Not liking something anymore is a perfectly fine. You can unfollow, you can block, you can dislike. Why bother commenting on something so insignificant to you?
I get it. I'm a fan of creators who've changed drastically. I cherish their old work, I revisit it for inspo or just because I like it. That doesn't mean that the work they produce now is worse, or have regressed, it's just not made for my palette anymore. AND THAT'S FINE.
Dragging people online is a hobby I'm sick of hearing about. Go touch some grass, or, better yet, draw in the style you like so much! They're not using it anymore, so incorporate that or take from it wholesale.
TL;DR: This is an annoying phenomenon and it's a huge nothing burger Twitter likes to do once a week. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
Alrighty, so artstyles are always changing
In my experience, I used to draw "anime" (ik ik, you can probs imagine it now) and all my characters (girl or boy) were very very thin and skinny, cause thats what I knew.
Then, I slowly moved to a more stylized approach, and my characters had waists (yippee)
But earlier this year, I'd been unhappy with it, so slowly I grew a more cartoony styles, with better diversity (hurray!) and its still evolving!
Now what do I think abt puppychan?
The first image is a really good style, supper cool and vibrant and IS THAT A VEHICLE?! It was full of personality.
If she was unhappy cause she wanted something different its fine.
but the next image isnt a degrade because of how it looks, its more because of her focus.
Now she wanted to draw things which were "sexy" cause that mighta reached more with...those people >:(
The style is good, both of them are nice, but the second one is clearly horny furry bait with really big thighs and emphasize on the "areas" (not saying you can't do that, but I find it weird)
Basically, she went from doing art that was cool and she liked, to art that would get more likes from "special" people
i used to draw in a more ''furry-esque'' detailed art style back in the day. now i draw in a much more abstract way, mostly influenced by popular animation styles from the internet and from animated media back in the early 2000's. ive always struggled to draw anything but characters on a blank background because of my generally low energy levels so its easier for me to think that my art has gotten worse over time since i dont really put hours upon hours into intricate shading anymore. at the same time, my characters feel a lot more unique now as well since drawing in a simpler art style gave me more time to focus on dynamic poses (when i feel like doing those) and good use of shape language and such for better character designs. i'd say i've gotten worse in some ways and better in others. the only reason why im saying that i did get worse in some areas is mostly because of burnout/lingering fatigue from depression making it hard for me to draw as much or in the same way that i used to
You can make sexy horny furry bait that doesn't look as bland as the second piece. It really does just look uninspired imo.
@@tigerfestivals5137 Yeah but it’s a doodle. I can’t imagine holding that piece to the standard of a fully finished artwork. I don’t think puppychan was expecting for people to be over-analyzing one of his random character doodles either.
Thought I'd never hear this voice again. I'm glad to see you're taking the steps to change yourself. Good luck with the career change and I hope you continue to grow as a person ^^
Bro I'm been trying to figure out why is my artstyle degrading, because my previous art works where more detaild unlike my new artworks, and this video explained it all. Thank you :].
What do you think? You specifically reading this comment. . .
In my personal unbiased opinion they do not
Depends on what degradation means, i mean if we count someone being lazy as degradation then yeah i suppose
I think the argument ends at "art is subjective"
An art style can't be worse than another as long as time, effort, and expression was put into refining it.
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I don’t think they can as long as you put enough of effort into it,but they can become lazier or more bad on purpose with your art style in this sort of case
I will say, my art personally did absolutely degrade during 2022. I draw myself a new profile picture for every year of art fight, and it always depicts a different design of the same character in the same pose. As a result, I use these to track my progress. There was a noticeable dip in the quality of the art from 2021-2022, only for the quality to shoot back up with 2023 and 2024. The art quality degraded, but it did get better
Off topic but I feel like unfairly criticizing an artist who is considered a bad person for their art is damaging to other artists. Just because someone did a bad thing doesn’t mean what they produce is bad- and someone may look at what that “bad” person produces and say “Well it’s better than what I make, so I must be not good enough”.
I feel like people have gotten too comfortable clowning on people who did bad things instead of genuinely holding people accountable…
Exactly. Its just hurting people who draw in a similiar way who have nothing to do with what happened. Someone doing something awful does not give you the right to hate on aspects of them that have nothing to do with their actions. It shifts the focus away from criticizing their behaviour and wanting them to take accountability so that people have an excuse to start mindlessly dogpiling and spreading hatred instead.
@@interstella-eyes This!!! I wish more people understood this.
I hate so much how people make jokes out of disgusting people and situations to a point where nobody finds it as horrifying as it actually is.
Like how people almost immediately started making jokes about Smartschoolboy9. They’re not even funny or witty jokes, just repetitive garbage
I agree, I personally knew a transphobic person who'd harassed me and my friends, and called us slurs just because they weren't bigoted like him who's an artist with really good art. It made me uncomfortable hearing my friends say his art was trash and or bad, because to me it was pretty impressive. I understood that on one hand they just wanted to make me feel better, but it wasn't the truth, and I didn't want any pity like that just to boost my own art.
This experience has pushed me to keep going with my art and try to get better, to prove to myself that I can be good in my own way.
I remembered an rpg game HEARTBEAT. It was a nice game with good art style, concept, coop characters, but its creators turned out to be problematic...
The second example that you don’t end up talking about does actually have improvement in the right direction! Like sure the one on the left has coloured lines and a more dynamic pose. but anyone can colour their lines, and the anatomy isn’t great, the line weight is inconsistent and some lines are scratchy or stiff. Whereas the right one has more confident smooth lines, a more contrasting and pleasing black, better anatomy (not the bigger bust and hips, I mean look at the hands), and just shows better skill.
And they didn’t feel like they had to push themselves for a better pose or background or coloured lines to feel proud of the piece. Doesn’t mean they can’t still do those things.
it's like buying two packs of chips with completely different flavors, trying one that you really liked, and the second one that tasted terrible, and then concluding that this chip company started making bad chips because of the new flavor that you personally didn't like
"can your artstyle degrade?"
Yes! and what you just said in the video, burnout or rushed art can make your artstyle degrade. Remember, we artists are not machines and this phenomenon is normal to have, do not treat yourself like sh!t just to satisfy others ^^
Counter-argument: rcdart
Now THAT is an infamous example of what true art decay looks like.
People don't realice that artist are not machines
"Oh noh! This style is worst now! It went degradated and the artist is not going to paint the same again 😢😢😢"
...Dude, that's not how the brain works. Literally is JUST a drawing born for circumstances. That artist can actually make again art like the old "better" version if they want, but they choose to not for x or y and that's totally fine
Looks like Daft has gotten better. Seriously this is like night and day. Really good video.
It's not likely they aren't capable of drawing like that anymore, they probably could if they wanted to experiment with art again, they just don't want to try anymore fsr, others are right about the change in focus thing, experimental works are pretty much always an artist's best cuz they actually explore their skills and possibilities instead of merely using it as a tool to materialize images and desires
I've decided to simplify my art style mainly because it was extremely detailed and it took me months to get a drawing done, which ended up resulting in me getting burnt out and losing interest in the piece I was making before getting to finish it. I just wanted to have fun drawing again and be able to finish a drawing in a few days rather than spending weeks on the same drawing until I get bored of it, plus I want to experiment with colours and exaggerating features or expressions rather than limiting myself to semi realism. So I would personally consider it an upgrade rather than a downgrade in my case
Making one "bad" drawing is not "art regression". The two pieces just aren’t comparable. One is a more complex illustration, the other is a doodle which was probably rushed so it could be posted quickly. The whole internet even jumped on LAVENDERTOWNE once for making some bad designs and started calling her stuff art regression despite her other great works and solid reputation in the UA-cam art community. I just feel terrible that artists are forced to rush things for social media and then their audience dares to feel ENTITLED to certain free work from them. To be clear, Salem never had any obligation to draw in his old style. Artists can go through slumps too and it’s not any indication of poor moral character. Salem was making art content for free and he got harassed for it because people felt entitled to "good" work from him. When they received work they didn’t like, they became petulant children.
I’m an artist and I’m terrified to try to advertise on social media for this reason. Sometimes I have a bad drawing day and everything looks like shit. Should I get doxxed for that? What if I’m having a stressful year and don’t post anything for a long time. Should people start showing up at my house as punishment?
I believe that drawing for yourself rather than drawing for other people is the healthier way to gain traction if you wish to post it online.
And yes, it is very true that mental state affects the artwork we create. Just look at Louis Wain, an artist whose schizophrenia began to gradually affect his art over time. And while it was still good art, the way his brain changed affected what he created.
Anyways, to all the younger artists out there- do not get discouraged by negative comments or feedback. Unless it’s constructive criticism, don’t take it and create what you love.
Puppychan mentioned in 2024 is crazy
when he said "Stop drawing and look at the screen" :''D
Tl;dr Just make art the way you can and like to and not just how you want. What you want will likely come sooner this way than the reverse.
As someone who struggles to make anything, I already firmly believe that the person with their lives and process preferences have bigger effects on art style than the media and art the artist consume. I presume so many fallen wannabes think the other way around which made them think they had to make art in ways that don't work as well for themselves.
''If you look at the screen for a moment and STOP DRAWİNG!'' DAMN... busted.🤐 3:20
LEGIT I GAWPED
Oh hey that's me!
Nice voice
Aww thank you!!! @@verticalsquare5933
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE-
Ew
Edp
I hate it when people that call “art regression” instead of understanding that is just artists finding new focuses in their style and art. Drastically changing your art style also helps to improve a definitive one. Studying your art is trying everything to see what you feel most comfortable with and not. PuppyChan just did what every artist does to a certain point in their life.
I literally had to rewind the video at 3:20 haha this is the first video i've watched and he already knows me!
2:37 Wait are we talking about Wolfertinger?? I love his art
hell ya!
What a way to find out he was puppuchan, also INSANE THAT HE DRAWS WITH HIS FINGERS ON A PHONE
@felearce4718 YEAH HOW THE HELL IS HE SUCH A WIZARD WITH IBISPAINT?? he deserves a drawing tablet honestly
Very much in agreement. Sometimes I look at my art, and in some ways feel I am doing "worse", but in many others, I have improved massively. And a large part of that feeling is just that I straight up don't find myself driven to spend ungodly amounts of hours on just one piece anymore. But when I do get commissioned for something more elaborate, or I feel inspired to go whole hog on a piece? I uttetly blow my past self out of the water in every aspect, be it poses, line quality, color choices, anatomy, overall aesthetic cohesion.
Folks just really gotta understand the social circumstances in which art is produced under.
Kinda reminds me of Ginga. The first two manga, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin and Ginga Densetsu Weed, were quite expressive with a dog centered cast. You can see a lot of attention to detail with poses and varying dog breeds. It's amazing! Sadly, the series has degraded since then, and everyone looks samey, with less love put into poses and whatnot.
They went down the nsfw twitter rabbit hole
another person who had the same general rep as puppychan w/ art "degradation" is rcdart. People had reasons not 2 like their stuff (especially the unfortunate way they'd tend 2 draw POC characters), but a LOT of it was chalked up 2 their art getting worse as time went on. I was a fan of their older work n watched their style change in real time, n yeah, I didn't quite care for their newer stuff myself. I even fell into agreeing w/ the idea it had devolved n stagnated at the time.
I haven't thought abt all of that much in years, but this video resurfaced that memory, n made me reflect on my old views... and, yeah! I agree that a style can't degrade just by changing into a different one. that's just change. People are allowed 2 move on n change how they create, n I've done that many times myself in the past. Doesn't mean I've gotta like the newer work, but I should respect how people change (while remaining critical of how they use that change, as in puppychan's case it was for character sexualization, n for rcdart it was.. also character sexualization in some cases + offensive racial caricatures).
There’s nothing morally wrong with drawing horny art but there is something morally wrong with drawing racial caricatures. Major difference.
I say it really depends on how you view the styles and also the actual circumstances of the artist. If a person's style was like this cool unique style and then it kind of shifted to be this simpler, less dynamic, more Twitter gooner slop-esque style, I wouldn't fault you for saying the style got worse. But maybe someone else likes that style more, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I think it's also important to consider that maybe the artist isn't doing well physically or mentally, maybe they're fatigued. And if any of these do apply, then it's even more cruel to make it a big public spectacle to be mocked. It doesn't help anyone, and just makes other artists scared to become the next Puppychan. Criticism is best when constructive and not destructive. All things others before me have said, including you, the uploader, but that is how I feel on the matter.
"If your style was unque and cool and awesome and it was changed for a sh1tty bad poopoo one, there's nothing wrong with it and it's ok to like things like these even thought they'r very ass, the artist can maybe be mentally unwell or something"
Lol
The thing with art regression is that people use it and don’t know what it means. Art regression for me and how I saw it typically used before artok ran with it was “when an artist artsyle degrades due to them drawing r34, typically objectifying the character more and the color becoming dull”
I definitely had my art (not my style just art in general) degrade, I use to date someone who had this issue too, the more they drew the lazier they got, it can come and go but your art can definitely get worse over time due to personal factors but it's not a death sentence to your art.
THE DUDE FROM JACKRUDEART’S STREAMS? this video is really reassuring, it’s a bit painful to see my art look janky but experimenting is part of the art process and it’s fun! Thanks for this lol
he just became a gooner
Tbh i wouldnt refer to it as "deteriating" or "degration", every artist has their own journey and their art skills are their sword. I don't know much about this artist other than this video but an art skill is like a sword with specific attributes. When the artist comes into a new situation (like wanting to go for a more anime/cel shading style) they have to reforge their sword from bottom up if they've used a sword that specialized in "painting, realism" so
really, its okay to "suck" especially for a long or little while. Its just our own journey at making our own swords
3:06 i had no idea butch hartman drew an epic crossover of jjba and fairly oldparents
just seemed like you gained two style/s in my book (i cant draw so)
I don't think Puppy chans art got worse, it just went from Cool to cute, and I could see how someone who followed for cool would be mad that it went cute but the opposite could be true for a different artist so its not "worse" just entirely different and therefore might need a different audience.
"Is one objectively better than the other"
yes. Yes it is, and saying it's not is cope.
I think puppychan's art got more generic looking because she started subconsciously choosing lust and fetishisation over style and expression. It sounds like something some people would turn to when they're mental health degrades.
THIS
"lust and fetishization" okay bro.
@@oxfordcommaisthegreatest She did though, didn't she?
@@oxfordcommaisthegreatestit literally just fetish art
@@Archimedes-v2o what's wrong with that lol
The voice...
Daft Pina???
Yup I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change!
I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while.
This is actually my second channel!
@@extradoven Happy to see you actually improve
@@extradoven I didn't even realize it was you, thank you for changing the way you articulate your words for your new content. Not to be rude but it was a bit draining sitting through the pauses in your speech. I hope you keep on improving and for the better.
@@lifeisadrag7705 I recognized it immediately from the cadence in the first line
was excited to click but then realized it was daftpinas voice.....
Really happy you talked about those with waning health issues/ disabilities. I think its so easy to put every artist in the same box especially when one is spoiled by their content. That all being said I'd love to see you explore the decline of Frank Miller's work 🥲
Nice job on the Spite Frog logo 👍🏾
Sorry, this is my first video of yours i'm watching (yo!) and I had to say something about your tangerine iMac-ish computer, its adorable.
Ngl being inconsistent is the best kind of consistent that I see in artists. If it looks too similiar (fuck NFTs) then yeah, it would feel weird, but at the same time you've achieved a layer of mastery that keeps it honed.
I like both puppy chan style it still looks amazing 😊
Yes, excessive overtime can cause an artist's work to degrade, working more than forty hours a week is rarely healthy. I think people who work as artists learn to make the art that makes them money, and I don't know if that degrades their ability to achieve other styles, but it certainly saps their motivation to experiment. Why change what is already bringing you success? Especially when you could lose that success the moment people stop liking what you do,
In my opinion... art is just subjective. For someone (in this case most people) the older drawing is better, and it is understandable, because the drawing is very detailed, it has this cool rebellious personality. It is understandable too if you like the newer drawing. It is more minimalistic, cutesy, but, yes, it does look more generic and, like, it is trying to appeal to... certain people. The newer art isn't bad, but is visible that the artist is tired and doesn't have motivation for art as much as they used to... (Reminds me of Sashley. Her backstory isn't as weird and creepy, but I personally prefer her 2019 art style, because it isn't as h*rn*fied as her current art... sorry for ranting)
wait is that... Daft Pina?, he didn't even make a new account he just deleted everything except his crappy cartoon after the controversy
Actually I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change!
Since I started to mainly focus on interviewing artists, I noticed people kept thinking I still made exposé videos despite them being normal interviews with artists.
I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while.
This is actually my second channel, my main channel is the artist interviews!
I prefer to refer to puppychan’s art style change as being more animation friendly
You sound like daftpina but actually putting thought into what you say
Oh that was me, I changed my username because I stopped making exposé content over a year ago so I wanted a new name to solidify the change!
I made a few UA-cam community posts talking about me changing names, and it's been in my old Twitter bio for a long while.
This is actually my second channel; it's nice to make more uplifting videos rather than ones that tear down artists.
What a funny coincidence, puppy han, now Salem, also changed for the better.@@extradoven
0:45 it looks so cool, like i would actually get this on a t shirt.
Personally, I prefer to call it "Stagnation" instead of "Deterioration". It's less that it got worse and more that it's not progressing. Sometimes it starts to self cannibalize and look worse but it's only because you aren't changing anything up. Stagnant water is bad for your health and needs to be dumped and changed out asap
DUDE YOUR CHANNEL IS SO UNDERATED YOUR WORK IS AMAZING
I don't think puppy Chan's art still got worse it just got simplified due to health issues but it shouldn't be an excuse for behavior as an artist myself I have to pretty much suffer through my disabilities as well if artists were given more time to work on stuff of course it will get better within time, I'm glad I don't need to rush anymore I've gotten a lot better within the time frame. I understand the importance of can a project on time health comes first
my art style cannot degrade as I simply draw everything in different styles
I stopped drawing for about a year and a half due to depression. I recently started feeling better and i think my art has gotten better as well. Ive been drawing a lot and re-discovering my art style. :)
Tbh I think trying to stick to the one style when you don't want to can be the reason to burnout therefore art actually is getting worse because you try to stay on the same level and are blocked from going up and sooner or later you'll find yourself going down
My two cents on Puppychan, I'm more so shocked about the downgrade of the cerebrus character itself.
The character before seemed to have a fun personality and a story, and now it seems like it's just become material for someone's gooning sesh and that seems so unfortunate... (as an artist, I'm really not fond of nsfw/erotic artists because of how they depict female characters)
But if Puppychan was happy with this development then so be it, they really didn't deserve harassment and humiliation.
Holy shit Daftpina?
DUDE HE MAKING A NEW IDENTITYIT IS CRAZY…
As an artist, this has happened to me.
I really like the editing! great video
I love the video! You have a great art style and a way of presenting information.
As a request: Could you invest some extra time in manual captions? Sometimes a great video (for me) can be spoiled by auto captions not working the way they should, and having manually written captions adds a whole extra level of love and care and admiration into the media.
Cheers!
Daft pina esk, why?
8:22 oh hey that's me in the background neat. :o
While I somewhat agree with you, the only time I've felt that actually happen is with Rcdart.
Her art style changed again and she went back to that detailed art style when the drama went down, she's just in tumblr chilling
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3:19 YOU FREAKING CALLED ME OUT.
I was so SHOCKED, I IMMEDIATELY stopped Drawing and whipped my head around. Holy shit XD
I wouldn‘t really say Puppychan died down. Sure their poses aren‘t as interesting but it‘s still good art. Best thing I can think of similar to it is Vivziepops art style
Is this daftpina
i feel art doesint really degrade it more changes as the person changes, like if their interest change or they find a style more fun to draw. and sometimes artstyles can just go back. i know i changed mine from a simple but styleised style to a rubberhose (idk how to spell it ;w;) style and then back to a simple styleised one. it just apart of art development ^^
Thank you Doven, i will have a good day, you have a grest day as well! Much love
I find it interesting because I used to be someone who made fun of artists who had this beautiful old style and suddenly their art "downgraded" and was no lack luster. As someone who's drawn all my life and still do, personally I've found that drawing poorly or more messily has made me happier, I actually...enjoy making art now. I grew up under the idea [with people like my father pushing this idea as well] that my art had to be some way, it had to be clean and perfect realistic, I wanted to build towards that instead of actually allowing myself to explore what felt nice to me. I despised my art and the process and everything along with it cuz I could never get to a pedastal I created. Art was not something I enjoyed it was a job I had to finish. Art is something that should be enjoyed by all, and if for some detailed complex artstyles is what they're happy doing great! if you like the simple clean style go for it! I like this video because I actually recently followed the artist mentioned on tumblr! You shouldn't push yourself knowing that it will only make the process and your mindset [Im an example] We get on ourselves for being unable to produce these constants 8,9,10 out of 10s when art is made to be messy, to be imperfect and wonky, its made to be clear that you made it, whether its a simple doodle or a detailed painting. Go with the flow, create
U lwk sound like daftpin
I don’t think it’s really possibly to get a worse art style over time. Most artists aren’t 100% consistent with their art quality, they might settle onto a specific style they like the most, they might constantly shift between styles, they just draw what they want in the moment.
you need to draw a p lip frame so that the lips work correctly
sparklecare fan here! yes art style degradation IS a thing. i will not be taking criticism or feedback at this time
“If you look away from your screen for a sec and stop drawing” why did I get called out like that lmao
I couldn't help but read that first screenshot in Muscle Man's voice
I think you guys are making it too philisophical. If you handed me both drawings and asked me which ones better id say the older one was.