The professor is a great denomination watcher. I have been an ethusiastic denomination watcher for decades but his knowledge exceeds mine. He provides an important service!
Despite the popular belief that Christians will be raptured before the start of the tribulation, scripture paints a very different picture. Nowhere does the Bible promised that believers will escape the revelation of the antichrist and his war on the Saints. In fact, God tells his people to expect tribulation- and to persevere through it. Take comfort in the words of Jesus: he has overcome the world. Even in the mist of great sorrows on earth, we live in Jesus’ victory until He returns at the end of the age.
@@christianmartinez8621 The PCA also upholds, for the most part the orthodox position that the Great Tribulation occurred already. It happened in the first century. Yes, its true we all go through "tribulation" for the sake of Christ, but the historical event known as the Great Tribulation, thankfully is in our past.
“Not allowed”. Bite me. And I DO bel Dispensationalism is not the best understanding of Scripture…. but I don’t need dorks telling me what’s allowed and what’s not
Thank you so much for making these videos. The topics of denominations and beliefs within the different denominations has always been important to me and you make it so easy to understand.
I might offer a small correction, the PCA generally requires a profession of faith in order to partake of Communion, though it is up to the Session to fence the table.
one correction I would add. PCA generally allows alcohol. The fun acronym for PCA is pipes, cigars, and alcohol because use of these is allowed in the denomination. I have personally not seen a pca church that rejects these
there's good family tree charts on the net that show all the splits in the presbyterian church during the USA history. old school/new school, old light/new light, etc. that's why they call presbyterian split peas...if you ever get time you should make a video about all that... I hear some say the pca is going lib, but the opc is still ok (generally speaking)
I would like to know how to break away from the Presbytery USA? How can a small 45 member church break away from the bigger PC USA? We are conservative small church, but their rules and guidelines are very frustrating when you have to have someone ordained to do your communion, we have to have their moderator come whenever we have a meeting of elders And of course, pay them, etc, so many rigid rules they make us follow, and we are basically subject to them although they do nothing for us and we pay them every year and they also scrutinize over our books. We truly feel we would be better off without them.
Could you do a video on the Pilgrim Holiness denomination? This is the particular denomination I was raised in until my family switched to the Assemblies of God when I was 14.
Hi Jonathan, I hope I could get an answer to my question regarding the PCA. They recite the nicean creed which includes sections calling the church “apostolic” and claiming “one baptism for the remission of sins”, which is seemingly in contradiction to what I know about Presbyterian theology. Am I incorrect? What’s going on here?
I can't really speak to what you "know" of presbyterianism, but as a PCA member, neither of those seem problematic to me. The PCA holds to the Westminster Confession, which as I recall does affirm both of those explicitly. I'd start there.
I have a hard time understanding the importance of technical differences in beliefs of what is happening during the lord's supper. Jesus is present in the holy spirit, and if that is a form of himself, then you may call it a form of his "body" and be correct. Idk, i just think i don't know what to believe, i just know Christ is present during communion and that is why i want to have communion, to be one with God
Thank you. A clear and concise explanation. Also, I would like to see the word congregation used instead of the word church or churches. When I witness to Roman Catholics they get hung up on the idea that protestants have so many 'churches', whereas their 'church' is the only true church.
Yes, but surely even Roman Catholics understand the concept of 'going to church' (as in, a local assembly), a priest being placed over a specific local church, a church as a building, and that Scripture addresses multiple 'churches' (while still, of course, recognizing them as part of The Church)? I do sympathize with your difficulty here though.
Because we don't actually have any evidence that 'dunking' was the universal practice (though, personally, I don't doubt that this may have been at least one method employed). Though I prefer the water to be 'poured out', just as the Baptizo of the Spirit was, sprinkling still fits with any strict definition of baptizo and comes with the Biblical image of 'sprinkling clean' found throughout Scripture.
In the Didache, a Christian worship manual written perhaps as early as 50-70 AD, we find guidelines for baptism. It reads: “And [2]concerning Baptism, this is how you shall baptize. … baptize in living water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache, 7:1-2).Jan 12, 2020 Living Water - Sermons - Catonsville Presbyterian Church
@@user-pt4ws6cl3h "Living water" speaks more to the source and freshness of the water, not how deep it is. That section reads very pragmatically as a way of avoiding getting people sick from stagnant water sources. What is especially telling is that if you don't have "living" (that is, "flowing") water, you are to use cold water, not warm. Warm stagnant water is a source of all sorts of algae and other health risks, whereas colder water mitigates those risks. Remember, they didn't live in a world where clean water was readily available and normal.
Here's one source on that. www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-denomination/presbyterian-church-in-america#views-about-human-evolution
@@ReadyToHarvest even Pew with three options for evolution and one option for accurate biblical history (skewed from the start) States the majority response was young earth. Don't believe the lie.
My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found please in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
While I, of course, affirm these precious words of Christ, why then is the Bible not simply these three words and nothing else, if anything beyond this is to be 'complicated'? The Muslim, the Mormon, and even the atheist/agnostic who believes in a historical Jesus can all stake varying levels of claim to belief in Jesus.
As someone who is currently in the process of licensure and ordination in the PCA, I have no idea where you’d find the evidence to make that claim. We hold tightly to the Westminster Standards and to the regulative principle of worship that would not allow that. I believe you’re thinking of the PCUSA.
I think Pew is way too expansive with their “Evangelical” definition (I was baptized LCMS Lutheran … it’s conservative, but it is NOT Evangelical!!), so I’m trying to make my own preferred list … would everyone consider PCA Evangelical? I guess I don’t think of a high church denomination with roots in Europe that practices infant baptism as “Evangelical,” but I’m totally open to learning other points of view!!
My husband is from Scotland originally and was raised a Presbyterian. My brother in law and sister in law are Presbyterian minister's. My husband however is a nonbeliever. Scottish Presbyterians, ordain women, believe in racial equality, believe that abortion is between a woman and her doctor, and recently ordained a gay minister. I should point out American Presbyterians are seen as backward by Scottish Presbyterians. For instance, in Scotland Presbyterians were burning slave ships in the dock to prevent them from kidnapping Africans and selling them as slaves in the Americans including the Caribbean and Bermuda, while many American Presbyterians supported slavery.
Also, don't take this one denomination (Presbyterian Church in America) to represent all American Presbyterianism, they are a small group compared to the Presbyterian Church USA which has many congregations that look more like you are describing. It's not really a Scotland vs US thing, as Scotland also has many conservative Presbyterian denominations too.
@@ReadyToHarvest I know, I should have pointed out my husband and his family are from Edinburgh which tends to be very forward thinking. Though his family originates from The Isle of Skye in the Hebrides, Argyll and Sutherland. I just want to point out how much the Presbyterian Church has changed from hanging a boy for blasphemy in the 1690's to my husband's late uncle also a Presbyterian minister excoriating Ian Paisley for being a bigot in 1968.
Literal death and resurrection, literal heaven and hell ... but only "symbolic" or "spiritual" communion. Jesus said, "This is my body and blood. (emphasis on "is")" C'mon protestants, if all the other things are literal then why not his literal body and blood? Even Saint Paul confirms it in the epistle to the Corinthians.
Few quick thoughts: - 'Spiritual' is not the same as 'symbolic', and the Reformed and their confessions traditionally adhere to 'spiritual presense'. You and I must surely both agree that 'spiritual' is very real. - While I do believe Christ is truly present in Communion, I still think the 'is means is' argument is an odd one and a weak one. He also says, 'I am the door'. Surely 'am means am'? - I'm making an assumption here that you're Catholic (I may be wrong), but if so, the language of Trent and the Church is not actually that communion is 'literal' body and blood, but that it is 'substantively' so. Hence 'transubstantiation'.
Oh, gee I did not know the Church as I know it was addressing homosexuality and CRT. I know! Let's declare Presbyterian Church of America to be a conservative Church, while Presbyterian Church USA is the liberal. Then let's confuse people by having the conservative Church discuss and decide IF that Church will support liberal issues. Makes no sense. But then it's end times and we can expect a Falling Away.
GOD IS NOT A LITERAL TORTURER. GOD is LOVE. He only gives eternal life to those who exercise faith in him and his Son (John 3:16, John 14:1) and NOT TO WICKED people. The Wicked will VANISH AND WILL BE NO MORE. Psalms 37:20 Phil 2:12 - New King James Version Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; How many is Jehovah? Trinitarians say there are THREE Jehovah. What does the Bible say? There is ONE JEHOVAH and NOT THREE JEHOVAH. Deut 6:4. - “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah WHO IS THE STAR IN NUMBERS 24:17? That is Jesus. It is the same Hebrew word used in Job 38:7 for the morning stars. So as Jesus is called THE BRIGHT morning star (REV 22:16) so also are the other morning stars(angels). So Jesus is the CHIEF Angel with the archangel's voice (1 Thes 4:16). Jesus is called Prince of Peace in Isa 9:6 and the original Hebrew word for Prince means PATRON ANGEL which is the same Hebrew Word used for Michael the archangel in Daniel. Jesus is the High Priest and the High Priest is NOT GOD himself. GOD DOES NOT WORSHIP HIMSELF : John 4:22 -You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Jesus Included himself IN WORSHIPPING THE FATHER. ONLY A CREATION WILL WORSHIP GOD. If the holy Spirit is a PERSON then now you have MANY PERSONS IN ONE GOD. REV 5:6 - seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God.SO NOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SEVEN PERSONS IN GOD. Who is the cause of Salvation? Both GOD and the lamb are saviors, Rev 7:9-10, even Jesus needed to be saved by the Father from death as the Father is the SOURCE OF LIFE AND SALVATION , Hebrews 5:7 & John 5:26 - THE FATHER GAVE THE SON LIFE. Does the Bible called Jesus MADE AND BORN? Yes! JESUS is the Messiah and a CREATION BY GOD! He is called “BORN OF/FROM GOD”. (1 JOHN 5:18) Hebrews 1:5 showed that Jesus was MADE/BORN (orig Greek-gennaw). Also it says "he will become my son" Notice, FUTURE TENSE, WILL, so before that the SON DID NOT EXIST. If you are BORN AND MADE then you are a creation. , Hebrews 1:5 mentions I WILL BECOME HIS FATHER, so Jesus relationship with the Father has a BEGINNING, When ? it was TODAY. TODAY implies a beginning. Also Acts 2 mentioned GOD MADE JESUS as Lord and Christ. HEBREWS 1 :5 - the original greek word used there for begotten/born also means MAKE. so Jesus, the SON was MADE. Word: gennaw Pronounce: ghen-nah'-o Strongs Number: G1080 Orig: from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. G1085. When did Jesus become SON? Even before Jesus became human he is called SON , Prov 30:4 Was Jesus GIVEN LIFE? He is called the firstborn and beginning of the CREATION BY GOD (COL 1, Revelation ) Also john 5:26 mentions that the FATHER GAVE JESUS, THE SON, with LIFE. If Jesus was given LIFE OR EVEN ETERNAL LIFE, then Jesus does not have life or eternal life before those were given to him. Notice, the Father was NOT given life. JESUS was MADE LORD (ACTS 2:36).JOHN 6:57 - Jesus Said “ I LIVE BEC OF THE FATHER” SO JESUS’ LIFE was dependent on the Father and his SOURCE OF LIFE/Eternal Life IS THE FATHER as John 5:26 states as well. 1john 5:1 - Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God,+ and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one . who is this that HAS BEEN BORN from that one? That is Jesus! 1 John 5:18 - Jesus is called BORN FROM GOD JESUS IS BORN FROM GOD, 1 JOHN 5:18 - We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God* watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him . WHO is the ONE BORN FROM GOD that watches us and protects us and who does not sin? JESUS CHRIST! HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD? NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD and if they see GOD's face THEY WILL DIE. Jesus was seen by many and they didn't DIE so Jesus Is Not The Almighty God. Jesus is called SON even before coming to earth as human. Exo 33:20 states "“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”" NO MAN CAN SEE ME, notice ME , you think ME IS NOT LITERAL? IT IS LITERAL "ME" WHO IS GOD. GOD IS FROM FOREVER: John 1:1 mentions the WORD WAS IN THE BEGINNING, so Jesus was LIMITED "IN THE BEGINNING" Unlike GOD who is FROM FOREVER (Psalms 90:2). Is "a god" a valid translation in John 1:1? Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. The Greek used in the BIble does not have an indefinite article "a" so that's why you don't see the "a" in John 1:1, The Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. again, john 1:1 about theos - Strong's Concordance theos: God, a god , so "a god" is a valid translation. "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon" defines theos as "a god" as well. so it is a valid translation. Also Thayer's Greek Lexicon also defines theos as "a god" so it is a valid translation Is Jesus the same as Jehovah? Jesus is the SON. Jehovah is Our FATHER (Isa 63:16). Even the trinity doctrine states the SON IS NOT THE FATHER, so Jesus is NOT JEHOVAH How many person is GOD? God said " I am God Almighty", The use of I am, means GOD is ONE PERSON. Do you use I am, me, myself, me alone for ONE LITERAL PERSON or THREE PERSONS? You only use those phrases for ONE literal person and NEVER FOR THREE PERSONS. Is Jesus described as a Morning Star like the Angels? Yes. Rev 22:16 - 16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David+ and the bright morning star.’”+ JESUS IS THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR, Angels are also called morning stars in Job 38:7, so Jesus is the BRIGHT OR CHIEF OF THE ANGELS (archangel) as 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mentions. What does Firsborn means? So depending on the context the firstborn can be the chief, principal, or first in time or place or rank. Still though, when you use the firstborn with an OF, “firstborn OF”, because of the OF , that means the firstborn BELONGS TO THE GROUP, just like when you say firstborn of the sheep. The firstborn is a sheep. So Jesus belongs to the group of creation, firstborn of all creation. Does John 8:58 correlate with Exodus 3? In Exodus 3, GOD is called I WILL BECOME (not I am) and does not correlate with John 8:58 Word: DID Pronounce: haw-yaw Use: TWOT-491 Verb 1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out Jehovah is called GOD of gods, who are these gods? if you say that those are all false gods, then you are saying that GOD is like Satan as he is God of all false gods. Those gods exist, just like King of kings, those kings exist. Is Jehovah, GOD's name? Psalms 83:18. Strong's No.: H3068 Hebrew: יְהֹוָה Transliteration: Yᵉhôvâh Phonetic: yeh-ho-vaw'" and even the BIBLE mentions the God's followers containing his name. Jehoshaphat, jehu, etc. With all Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Yes. Jehovah is God in the Bible, the Our Father (JEHOVAH) ISA 63 AND WHO IS JAH , JEHOVAH that is WORTHY OF PRAISE AND GLORY! ISA 26:4 - 4 Trust in Jehovah forever,h For Jah* Jehovah is the eternal Rock. JEHOSHAPHAT(MATTHEW 1 :8) - Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Smith's Bible Dictionary Jehoshaphat - (whom Jehovah judges.) Yup, JEHOVAH is the name of GOD IN THE BIBLE as his followers have the name of Jehovah in their name. What was Jesus role in creation? He is the Master Worker (Prov 8) and a channel used by GOD in the creation. Notice the TWO WORDS translated as By/Through in Col 1:16 - 1. En - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively),.. Notice it says INSTRUMENTALITY 2. Dia - a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act Notice it says CHANNEL OF AN ACT So Colossians 1:16 simply mentions that Jesus is USED BY GOD AS A CHANNEL OF AN ACT, AN INSTRUMENT in the Creation. Compare that to GOD in 1 Cor 8:6 , notice for God the Father he uses the word EK - or ex ex a primary preposition denoting ORIGIN (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):- Notice GOD the Father is the ORIGIN/FROM ,THE SOURCE FROM WHOM ALL THINGS are created. BIG DIFFERENCE. So the FATHER IS the ORIGIN of all things. For JEsus, it didn;t use the word Origin but "THrough" which in the Original Greek word also means "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act". So God the Father is like the WRITER, he used his Son as a channel of a act to write (like a pen). So the only writer is the Father, the Son was used as a channel and NOT THE ORIGIN of creation. This is confirmed by Jesus in John 5:19 - " Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.+" JESUS CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING , his FATHER always guide him. All things came into existence through him,e and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. - Jesus is first BORN/MADE (Heb 1:5, 1 JOhn 5:18) by GOD directly , only begotten by GOD, the Father , ALL things (which does not include of course Jesus and his Father and the holy spirit) came into existence THROUGH him (Jesus). the word through (DIA in Greek means - a primary preposition denoting the CHANNEL of an act; ) So Jesus was used as the CHANNEL in the creation. The source is the Father.
@@kylec8950 so what is wrong with these? GOD only gives eternal life to those who exercise faith in him and his Son (John 3:16, John 14:1) and NOT TO WICKED people. The Wicked will VANISH AND WILL BE NO MORE. Psalms 37:20
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 There is a literal Hell. You're forgetting the 100's of verses that speak of it. " And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” -Matt 25:46 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” -Rev 21:8 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." - Jude 1:7 "And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire." -Mark 9:43
Most also believe is silly things like the Rapture and the Young Earth theory. Otherwise you are on the money. Some elders also believe that the Bible is to be taken literally, which of course makes no sense whatsoever.
The PCA DOES NOT hold to the rapture. As someone pursuing ordination in the PCA, I could not be ordained as a teaching elder if I held to that teaching. We are reformed and hold to covenant theology which does not teach the rapture.
The professor is a great denomination watcher. I have been an ethusiastic denomination watcher for decades but his knowledge exceeds mine. He provides an important service!
He is probably talking a lot of rubbish too, these people are good at talking, gullible people love these types.
What I love about the PCA is that the "left-behind" Rapture view is not-allowed.
As it shouldn’t be lol
(I’m in agreement with you)
Despite the popular belief that Christians will be raptured before the start of the tribulation, scripture paints a very different picture. Nowhere does the Bible promised that believers will escape the revelation of the antichrist and his war on the Saints. In fact, God tells his people to expect tribulation- and to persevere through it. Take comfort in the words of Jesus: he has overcome the world. Even in the mist of great sorrows on earth, we live in Jesus’ victory until He returns at the end of the age.
@@christianmartinez8621 The PCA also upholds, for the most part the orthodox position that the Great Tribulation occurred already. It happened in the first century. Yes, its true we all go through "tribulation" for the sake of Christ, but the historical event known as the Great Tribulation, thankfully is in our past.
@@christianmartinez8621 correct
“Not allowed”. Bite me. And I DO bel Dispensationalism is not the best understanding of Scripture…. but I don’t need dorks telling me what’s allowed and what’s not
Thank you so much for making these videos. The topics of denominations and beliefs within the different denominations has always been important to me and you make it so easy to understand.
Thanks for your videos bro!! I'm in the PCA, great breakdown!!
I might offer a small correction, the PCA generally requires a profession of faith in order to partake of Communion, though it is up to the Session to fence the table.
PCI is in India we are in Presbyterian Church of India
This was incredible. Please would you make this a more regular series!
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Could you do a video comparing Presbyterians (Westminster Standards) and Continental Reformed (3 Forms of Unity)?
Wow great job for 4 minutes!
Thanks Paul!
Why have I never heard of this channel until now?
Take my sub, you deserve more of them.
Thanks James!
Super helpful. Thank you
I love your videos, could you make one about sedevacantist Catholics?
one correction I would add. PCA generally allows alcohol. The fun acronym for PCA is pipes, cigars, and alcohol because use of these is allowed in the denomination. I have personally not seen a pca church that rejects these
Yes, the video says there is no prohibition of alcohol.
Dawg this is the funniest pun I’ve seen thus far😂😂
"Where four are gathered, there is usually a fifth," is another one I've heard.
there's good family tree charts on the net that show all the splits in the presbyterian church during the USA history. old school/new school, old light/new light, etc. that's why they call presbyterian split peas...if you ever get time you should make a video about all that...
I hear some say the pca is going lib, but the opc is still ok (generally speaking)
I would like to know how to break away from the Presbytery USA? How can a small 45 member church break away from the bigger PC USA? We are conservative small church, but their rules and guidelines are very frustrating when you have to have someone ordained to do your communion, we have to have their moderator come whenever we have a meeting of elders And of course, pay them, etc, so many rigid rules they make us follow, and we are basically subject to them although they do nothing for us and we pay them every year and they also scrutinize over our books. We truly feel we would be better off without them.
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In other words: we're hitting based levels that shouldn't even be possible.
What?
Could you do a video on the Pilgrim Holiness denomination? This is the particular denomination I was raised in until my family switched to the Assemblies of God when I was 14.
Would love to see a Particular/Reformed Baptist video!
Hi Jonathan, I hope I could get an answer to my question regarding the PCA. They recite the nicean creed which includes sections calling the church “apostolic” and claiming “one baptism for the remission of sins”, which is seemingly in contradiction to what I know about Presbyterian theology. Am I incorrect? What’s going on here?
Good question. Anyone?
I can't really speak to what you "know" of presbyterianism, but as a PCA member, neither of those seem problematic to me. The PCA holds to the Westminster Confession, which as I recall does affirm both of those explicitly. I'd start there.
Does he have a video on dispensational vs covenant theology?
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As being part of the PCUSA it was great to learn and understand more about the PCA.
It's time to convert
Hey brother. It's six months since your comment. I would love to have you join us at the PCA!
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I could worship with the PCA.
I have a hard time understanding the importance of technical differences in beliefs of what is happening during the lord's supper. Jesus is present in the holy spirit, and if that is a form of himself, then you may call it a form of his "body" and be correct. Idk, i just think i don't know what to believe, i just know Christ is present during communion and that is why i want to have communion, to be one with God
jesus bless you
I’m pretty sure that some congregations but not all permit women to serve as deacons
Thank you. A clear and concise explanation. Also, I would like to see the word congregation used instead of the word church or churches. When I witness to Roman Catholics they get hung up on the idea that protestants have so many 'churches', whereas their 'church' is the only true church.
Yes, but surely even Roman Catholics understand the concept of 'going to church' (as in, a local assembly), a priest being placed over a specific local church, a church as a building, and that Scripture addresses multiple 'churches' (while still, of course, recognizing them as part of The Church)? I do sympathize with your difficulty here though.
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do you have a video of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church of America?
not yet!
Done. ua-cam.com/video/9TxVfFPAAH0/v-deo.html
I never understood the whole sprinkling thing. why not just dunk them as the early church did.
Because we don't actually have any evidence that 'dunking' was the universal practice (though, personally, I don't doubt that this may have been at least one method employed). Though I prefer the water to be 'poured out', just as the Baptizo of the Spirit was, sprinkling still fits with any strict definition of baptizo and comes with the Biblical image of 'sprinkling clean' found throughout Scripture.
Huh? Sprinkling appears to be the tradition of the older Protestant groups … dunking is more new age.
In the Didache, a Christian worship manual written perhaps as early as 50-70 AD, we find guidelines for baptism. It reads: “And [2]concerning Baptism, this is how you shall baptize. … baptize in living water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache, 7:1-2).Jan 12, 2020
Living Water - Sermons - Catonsville Presbyterian Church
water and fire is what Christ said. Living water from the inside, that is the Holy Spirit. we complicate things@@user-pt4ws6cl3h
@@user-pt4ws6cl3h "Living water" speaks more to the source and freshness of the water, not how deep it is. That section reads very pragmatically as a way of avoiding getting people sick from stagnant water sources.
What is especially telling is that if you don't have "living" (that is, "flowing") water, you are to use cold water, not warm. Warm stagnant water is a source of all sorts of algae and other health risks, whereas colder water mitigates those risks.
Remember, they didn't live in a world where clean water was readily available and normal.
I'm pretty certain that I might be a Presbyterian whether I like it or not. As evidenced by the fact that I put it in those terms.
Dude who is telling you majority of PCA members are not young earth?
Here's one source on that. www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-denomination/presbyterian-church-in-america#views-about-human-evolution
@@ReadyToHarvest even Pew with three options for evolution and one option for accurate biblical history (skewed from the start) States the majority response was young earth. Don't believe the lie.
50% is a majority. Pew says only 40% believe that, so not a majority.@@UnderMyPalm
You shouldn’t even be talking about ‘critical race theory’. Moreover, the PCA shouldn’t be talking about it ( if they in fact are )
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My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found please in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
I like the PCA Presbyterians, however they are a bit complicated.
"Believe on Me."--Jesus Christ.
While I, of course, affirm these precious words of Christ, why then is the Bible not simply these three words and nothing else, if anything beyond this is to be 'complicated'? The Muslim, the Mormon, and even the atheist/agnostic who believes in a historical Jesus can all stake varying levels of claim to belief in Jesus.
PCA is so lose on subscribtion to the Westminster Standards that male balet dancers and rock concert "worship" is allowed.
As someone who is currently in the process of licensure and ordination in the PCA, I have no idea where you’d find the evidence to make that claim. We hold tightly to the Westminster Standards and to the regulative principle of worship that would not allow that. I believe you’re thinking of the PCUSA.
I think Pew is way too expansive with their “Evangelical” definition (I was baptized LCMS Lutheran … it’s conservative, but it is NOT Evangelical!!), so I’m trying to make my own preferred list … would everyone consider PCA Evangelical? I guess I don’t think of a high church denomination with roots in Europe that practices infant baptism as “Evangelical,” but I’m totally open to learning other points of view!!
The PCA was part of the National Association of Evangelicals until just a couple years ago, so they did self-identify with the term.
There's so many Presbyterian denominations in America that they are called 'split P-s'
CONFESS!!!
My husband is from Scotland originally and was raised a Presbyterian. My brother in law and sister in law are Presbyterian minister's. My husband however is a nonbeliever.
Scottish Presbyterians, ordain women, believe in racial equality, believe that abortion is between a woman and her doctor, and recently ordained a gay minister.
I should point out American Presbyterians are seen as backward by Scottish Presbyterians.
For instance, in Scotland Presbyterians were burning slave ships in the dock to prevent them from kidnapping Africans and selling them as slaves in the Americans including the Caribbean and Bermuda, while many American Presbyterians supported slavery.
Also, don't take this one denomination (Presbyterian Church in America) to represent all American Presbyterianism, they are a small group compared to the Presbyterian Church USA which has many congregations that look more like you are describing. It's not really a Scotland vs US thing, as Scotland also has many conservative Presbyterian denominations too.
@@ReadyToHarvest I know, I should have pointed out my husband and his family are from Edinburgh which tends to be very forward thinking. Though his family originates from The Isle of Skye in the Hebrides, Argyll and Sutherland.
I just want to point out how much the Presbyterian Church has changed from hanging a boy for blasphemy in the 1690's to my husband's late uncle also a Presbyterian minister excoriating Ian Paisley for being a bigot in 1968.
Presbyterians believe in evolution? Anyone
Depends on which Presbyterian denomination. PC(USA), probably yes. PCA? Probably not.
Things I Disagree with Presbyterians on:
1. The Bible's Reliability,
2. The Trinity yet again, Founding Divinity yet again, Founding Resurrection yet again, & Virgin Birth yet again.
3. Infant Baptism, & The Tulip! (All 5)
4. Permitting Limited Divorce aka Annulments yet again. (Only Incarnations are justifiable for Divorce)
5. Permitting Alcohol Consumption in Churches, & Required Tithing again.
6.
Cool
Thats nice...incarnations eligible for divorce? Do you even understand the word?
Sounds like your problem is with the Bible.
Literal death and resurrection, literal heaven and hell ... but only "symbolic" or "spiritual" communion. Jesus said, "This is my body and blood. (emphasis on "is")" C'mon protestants, if all the other things are literal then why not his literal body and blood? Even Saint Paul confirms it in the epistle to the Corinthians.
Few quick thoughts:
- 'Spiritual' is not the same as 'symbolic', and the Reformed and their confessions traditionally adhere to 'spiritual presense'. You and I must surely both agree that 'spiritual' is very real.
- While I do believe Christ is truly present in Communion, I still think the 'is means is' argument is an odd one and a weak one. He also says, 'I am the door'. Surely 'am means am'?
- I'm making an assumption here that you're Catholic (I may be wrong), but if so, the language of Trent and the Church is not actually that communion is 'literal' body and blood, but that it is 'substantively' so. Hence 'transubstantiation'.
Oh, gee I did not know the Church as I know it was addressing homosexuality and CRT. I know! Let's declare Presbyterian Church of America to be a conservative Church, while Presbyterian Church USA is the liberal. Then let's confuse people by having the conservative Church discuss and decide IF that Church will support liberal issues. Makes no sense. But then it's end times and we can expect a Falling Away.
GOD IS NOT A LITERAL TORTURER. GOD is LOVE. He only gives eternal life to those who exercise faith in him and his Son (John 3:16, John 14:1) and NOT TO WICKED people. The Wicked will VANISH AND WILL BE NO MORE. Psalms 37:20
Phil 2:12 - New King James Version
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
How many is Jehovah? Trinitarians say there are THREE Jehovah. What does the Bible say? There is ONE JEHOVAH and NOT THREE JEHOVAH. Deut 6:4. - “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
WHO IS THE STAR IN NUMBERS 24:17? That is Jesus. It is the same Hebrew word used in Job 38:7 for the morning stars. So as Jesus is called THE BRIGHT morning star (REV 22:16) so also are the other morning stars(angels). So Jesus is the CHIEF Angel with the archangel's voice (1 Thes 4:16). Jesus is called Prince of Peace in Isa 9:6 and the original Hebrew word for Prince means PATRON ANGEL which is the same Hebrew Word used for Michael the archangel in Daniel.
Jesus is the High Priest and the High Priest is NOT GOD himself.
GOD DOES NOT WORSHIP HIMSELF : John 4:22 -You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.
Jesus Included himself IN WORSHIPPING THE FATHER. ONLY A CREATION WILL WORSHIP GOD.
If the holy Spirit is a PERSON then now you have MANY PERSONS IN ONE GOD. REV 5:6 - seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God.SO NOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SEVEN PERSONS IN GOD.
Who is the cause of Salvation? Both GOD and the lamb are saviors, Rev 7:9-10, even Jesus needed to be saved by the Father from death as the Father is the SOURCE OF LIFE AND SALVATION , Hebrews 5:7 & John 5:26 - THE FATHER GAVE THE SON LIFE.
Does the Bible called Jesus MADE AND BORN? Yes! JESUS is the Messiah and a CREATION BY GOD! He is called “BORN OF/FROM GOD”. (1 JOHN 5:18) Hebrews 1:5 showed that Jesus was MADE/BORN (orig Greek-gennaw). Also it says "he will become my son" Notice, FUTURE TENSE, WILL, so before that the SON DID NOT EXIST. If you are BORN AND MADE then you are a creation. , Hebrews 1:5 mentions I WILL BECOME HIS FATHER, so Jesus relationship with the Father has a BEGINNING, When ? it was TODAY. TODAY implies a beginning. Also Acts 2 mentioned GOD MADE JESUS as Lord and Christ. HEBREWS 1 :5 - the original greek word used there for begotten/born also means MAKE. so Jesus, the SON was MADE. Word: gennaw Pronounce: ghen-nah'-o Strongs Number: G1080 Orig: from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. G1085.
When did Jesus become SON? Even before Jesus became human he is called SON , Prov 30:4
Was Jesus GIVEN LIFE?
He is called the firstborn and beginning of the CREATION BY GOD (COL 1, Revelation ) Also john 5:26 mentions that the FATHER GAVE JESUS, THE SON, with LIFE. If Jesus was given LIFE OR EVEN ETERNAL LIFE, then Jesus does not have life or eternal life before those were given to him. Notice, the Father was NOT given life.
JESUS was MADE LORD (ACTS 2:36).JOHN 6:57 - Jesus Said “ I LIVE BEC OF THE FATHER” SO JESUS’ LIFE was dependent on the Father and his SOURCE OF LIFE/Eternal Life IS THE FATHER as John 5:26 states as well. 1john 5:1 - Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God,+ and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one . who is this that HAS BEEN BORN from that one? That is Jesus! 1 John 5:18 - Jesus is called BORN FROM GOD JESUS IS BORN FROM GOD, 1 JOHN 5:18 - We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God* watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him . WHO is the ONE BORN FROM GOD that watches us and protects us and who does not sin? JESUS CHRIST!
HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD?
NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD and if they see GOD's face THEY WILL DIE. Jesus was seen by many and they didn't DIE so Jesus Is Not The Almighty God. Jesus is called SON even before coming to earth as human. Exo 33:20 states "“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”" NO MAN CAN SEE ME, notice ME , you think ME IS NOT LITERAL? IT IS LITERAL "ME" WHO IS GOD.
GOD IS FROM FOREVER:
John 1:1 mentions the WORD WAS IN THE BEGINNING, so Jesus was LIMITED "IN THE BEGINNING" Unlike GOD who is FROM FOREVER (Psalms 90:2).
Is "a god" a valid translation in John 1:1? Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1.
The Greek used in the BIble does not have an indefinite article "a" so that's why you don't see the "a" in John 1:1, The Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. again, john 1:1 about theos - Strong's Concordance theos: God, a god , so "a god" is a valid translation. "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon" defines theos as "a god" as well. so it is a valid translation. Also Thayer's Greek Lexicon also defines theos as "a god" so it is a valid translation
Is Jesus the same as Jehovah? Jesus is the SON. Jehovah is Our FATHER (Isa 63:16). Even the trinity doctrine states the SON IS NOT THE FATHER, so Jesus is NOT JEHOVAH
How many person is GOD? God said " I am God Almighty", The use of I am, means GOD is ONE PERSON. Do you use I am, me, myself, me alone for ONE LITERAL PERSON or THREE PERSONS? You only use those phrases for ONE literal person and NEVER FOR THREE PERSONS.
Is Jesus described as a Morning Star like the Angels? Yes. Rev 22:16 - 16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David+ and the bright morning star.’”+ JESUS IS THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR, Angels are also called morning stars in Job 38:7, so Jesus is the BRIGHT OR CHIEF OF THE ANGELS (archangel) as 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mentions.
What does Firsborn means?
So depending on the context the firstborn can be the chief, principal, or first in time or place or rank. Still though, when you use the firstborn with an OF, “firstborn OF”, because of the OF , that means the firstborn BELONGS TO THE GROUP, just like when you say firstborn of the sheep. The firstborn is a sheep. So Jesus belongs to the group of creation, firstborn of all creation.
Does John 8:58 correlate with Exodus 3? In Exodus 3, GOD is called I WILL BECOME (not I am) and does not correlate with John 8:58
Word: DID Pronounce: haw-yaw Use: TWOT-491 Verb 1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
Jehovah is called GOD of gods, who are these gods? if you say that those are all false gods, then you are saying that GOD is like Satan as he is God of all false gods. Those gods exist, just like King of kings, those kings exist.
Is Jehovah, GOD's name? Psalms 83:18.
Strong's No.: H3068 Hebrew: יְהֹוָה Transliteration: Yᵉhôvâh Phonetic: yeh-ho-vaw'" and even the BIBLE mentions the God's followers containing his name. Jehoshaphat, jehu, etc. With all Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Yes. Jehovah is God in the Bible, the Our Father (JEHOVAH) ISA 63 AND WHO IS JAH , JEHOVAH that is WORTHY OF PRAISE AND GLORY! ISA 26:4 - 4 Trust in Jehovah forever,h For Jah* Jehovah is the eternal Rock.
JEHOSHAPHAT(MATTHEW 1 :8) - Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Smith's Bible Dictionary Jehoshaphat - (whom Jehovah judges.) Yup, JEHOVAH is the name of GOD IN THE BIBLE as his followers have the name of Jehovah in their name.
What was Jesus role in creation? He is the Master Worker (Prov 8) and a channel used by GOD in the creation.
Notice the TWO WORDS translated as By/Through in Col 1:16 - 1. En - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively),.. Notice it says INSTRUMENTALITY 2. Dia - a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act Notice it says CHANNEL OF AN ACT So Colossians 1:16 simply mentions that Jesus is USED BY GOD AS A CHANNEL OF AN ACT, AN INSTRUMENT in the Creation. Compare that to GOD in 1 Cor 8:6 , notice for God the Father he uses the word EK - or ex ex a primary preposition denoting ORIGIN (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):- Notice GOD the Father is the ORIGIN/FROM ,THE SOURCE FROM WHOM ALL THINGS are created. BIG DIFFERENCE. So the FATHER IS the ORIGIN of all things. For JEsus, it didn;t use the word Origin but "THrough" which in the Original Greek word also means "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act". So God the Father is like the WRITER, he used his Son as a channel of a act to write (like a pen). So the only writer is the Father, the Son was used as a channel and NOT THE ORIGIN of creation. This is confirmed by Jesus in John 5:19 - " Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.+" JESUS CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING , his FATHER always guide him.
All things came into existence through him,e and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. - Jesus is first BORN/MADE (Heb 1:5, 1 JOhn 5:18) by GOD directly , only begotten by GOD, the Father , ALL things (which does not include of course Jesus and his Father and the holy spirit) came into existence THROUGH him (Jesus). the word through (DIA in Greek means - a primary preposition denoting the CHANNEL of an act; ) So Jesus was used as the CHANNEL in the creation. The source is the Father.
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@@kylec8950 so what is wrong with these? GOD only gives eternal life to those who exercise faith in him and his Son (John 3:16, John 14:1) and NOT TO WICKED people. The Wicked will VANISH AND WILL BE NO MORE. Psalms 37:20
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 There is a literal Hell. You're forgetting the 100's of verses that speak of it.
" And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” -Matt 25:46
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” -Rev 21:8
"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." - Jude 1:7
"And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire." -Mark 9:43
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@@kylec8950 John 3:16- will the WICKED have eternal life? Nope.
Most also believe is silly things like the Rapture and the Young Earth theory. Otherwise you are on the money. Some elders also believe that the Bible is to be taken literally, which of course makes no sense whatsoever.
The PCA DOES NOT hold to the rapture. As someone pursuing ordination in the PCA, I could not be ordained as a teaching elder if I held to that teaching. We are reformed and hold to covenant theology which does not teach the rapture.