As a Pastor in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, I will say that you did excellent with this one. You were even thorough and acknowledged a few tensions within our church body.
@@tony1685 where did this come from? What are you talking about? I don't even know who you are, so how do you know what I follow? What are your expectations? Honestly, this is extremely accusatory, and out-of-left-field and insanely vague to respond.
@@pastorneil9125 thanks for your time, Pastor - don't you abide by 1 Thess 5:21 _'test all things'_ ?? you shouldn't be offended when another is inquisitive about what your church teaches, if you're following Truth. i am simply a Christian asking a question. is that offensive, Sir? you stated it was _'insanely vague'_ - so i will elaborate. Exodus 20 contains the Commandments of our Creator - among Them is Exodus 20:8-11 i simply asked if your church follows and teaches this Command ~ as it's interestingly forgotten by most churches, even though It begins with _'Remember'_ .
@@tony1685 "i am simply asking a question...." so tony, perhaps you heard of the fallacy called "begging the question". and here you are now in your second post being outright untruthful by claiming that you "simply asked if the pastor's church follows and teaches the command...." you do realize that everyone reading these comments can see your original question don't you? you did not simply ask the pastor if his church follows and teachers a particular command. Pastor Neil is right in not responding back to you on your second post.
@@getworking5652 my first post was based off of my realizing that this church doesn't uphold Ex 20:8-11. my 2nd post is asking the same thing. if this church abides by Exodus 20:8-11, then a simple answer, rebutting my claim, would be sufficient. thanks for your post! would you like to discuss this matter further, Sir? and perhaps Pastor Neil is researching this Command and/or wondering why his church isn't following It. 1 Thess 5:21 and Eph 5:11 thanks for reading, Sir.
I did a little research and it looks like a church that has worked with LCMS in Indonesia would be "Indonesian Christian Lutheran Church (GKLI)". I'm not from Indonesia, so I don't know much about that church, but it may be worth looking into if you are trying to find a church home. Though checking the lcms website, it doesn't show the GKLI as in fellowship officially so it might be that there are some differences.
@@MrJeb123 yeah, as i know, GKLI still practiced women ordination as priest, but maybe no. Hope that some lutheran church in indonesia can be one communion with LCMS. I can't wait to see High Lutheran in my country
@Bang Dwi: Setuju kali bang! @LCMS: Dear LCMS, please open a High Lutheran church in our country. You could start one easily in North Sumatra. Lutheranism is the biggest denomination in the country already and many are longing to worship in fellowship with our confessional lutheran brothers and sisters from the LCMS. A High Lutheran confessional church is not yet to be found. There is only one church in communion with LCMS, the Gereja Lutheran Indonesia, but they are not a high church.
This is a pretty accurate and fair summary. Well done. I might add that a small (and increasing) number of churches offer the Lord's Supper to children before the rite of Confirmation if after examination they are deemed ready. But as the video says, most still tie the first reception of the Lord's Supper with Confirmation.
My husband and I had let our young daughters when they would sit with us at church and after they had shown to be loving and wanted God as part of their lives. Then soon they would be getting baptistized their choice. ❤ Ages 5/6
Great breakdown my dude. Grew up not knowing there were denominations within the Lutheran church aka LCMS v ELCA (honestly just those were evangelical protestants). Was baptized and confirmed, Passover dinner, candle bearing... thought that was normal. More "conservative" or "Catholic" and whatnot. Now I realize all denominations, all brothers and sisters in Christ are the same. If Christ is knocking answer the door. God bless.
"In, with, and under" not "in and around". It's a phrase that is meant to convey that we don't have an explanation for the mystery. We simply confess that Christ's true body and blood are truly present in the sacrament.
Many, though not all, of us within the LCMS would also argue that we are catholic, not protestant. Note here that we spell catholic with a lower case "c". Other denominations are way more rejecting of catholic teaching than the LCMS is, and the Athanasian Creed affirms the catholic faith as found in scripture, but that would be a video in and of itself.
i have noted in my life that so many other denominations dis like Catholisism ,that they get carried away and throw out almost everything they have in common with it..they scoff at lutheran robes,our pomp and cicumstance.,even our seminary requirements to be a pastor are critisized...i believe thats why they dislike infant baptism..in an effort to be anti catholic,they have decided it is an act of man,not God and therefore the "age of accountability becomes neccessary
As an Anglican, I’d note that we frequently don’t even bother with the lower vs upper case distinction. We’re not lower case ‘c’ Christians, so why call ourselves lower case ‘c’ catholics? Anglicans and Lutherans are the Evangelical Catholics (in my book, at least). (Admittedly, in the translations of the Apostles’ and Nicene creeds we use, it’s ‘catholic’ rather ‘Catholic’, but it’s then inexplicably capitalized in the translation of the Athanasian creed and elsewhere in our formularies, so go figure. 🤷♂️) I would note that we Anglicans would have a thing or two to say about Lutherans claiming to be *more* Catholic. 😜
@@augustinian2018 As a Traditional Lutheran we are the Original Evangelical Catholic Apostolic Church from the first century Of Jesus. We believe scripture interprets scripture and justification by faith alone and Holy Baptism are a must for Salvation and both Sacraments of Mass and Baptism are real as Jesus taught. The 5 solas!
Not all LCMS members accept the statemen that the LCMS is one of the "Protestant" Churches. Some may argue that the LCMS is uniquely Lutheran and as such is separate from Roman Catholic and all other Protestant churches. Nevertheless, a very good concise summary.
We are called Protestants but we really are different than both Roman Catholics and Protestants as We believe As closely to the scriptures as is possible for mankind. We are the Original Evangelical Catholic Apostolic Church. Not Roman however! Baptism now saves you. John 3:3-5. John 3:16. Justification by faith alone and not by good works lest anyone should boast. Loving the liturgy. The word comes first then one gets to know the Holy Trinity and Jesus.
@@edwardluth7740 you wrote: _'...We believe As closely to the scripture as is possible...'_ - why then do you follow catholicism and pretend the 1st day is church day when Exodus 20:8-11 is very clear that it's just another work day - the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day - according to both the OT and NT.
@@tony1685 The work week starts on Monday for most people therefore Sunday is the seventh consecutive day of work so we rest instead of work. Saturday is only the 6th day of work if the work week starts on Monday.
@@guyontheinternet8891 you can rename them all ya like -- but the 7th day remains the 7th day Sabbath. anyone knows that. grab a dictionary or encyclopedia and look up 'saturday' = it's clearly the 7th day and none deny this fact.
LCMS actually has a mixture of congregational polity and episcopal polity. The churches are organized geographically into 35 districts. Each district is overseen by a district president, which is analogous to the role of Bishop. However, each congregation is self-governed and resolutions made by district presidents or the Synod president are mostly advisory not authoritative if not according to scripture or if it's inexpedient for the congregation.
Great video, as a Lutheran I appreciate your work on this. just a request could you possibly do Reformed Baptist? It’s a broad denomination but I think there is enough overlap to make a great video.
My mother told me she had to go to confession (1:1) with the pastor before the monthly communion. This was a German speaking LCMS church in DuPage county, IL. Time frame was before WW2. I’m sure she viewed confession as close to a sacrament.
Great informative content. Have watched and liked several. Esspecially helpful for people from / people who have come to Christ from non denominational churches
As a point of clarity for those looking into the LCMS from the outside, the Deaconess office for women is not officially considered equal to the male deacon office. The office of deacon is considered a sub-grade of the office of the ministry; the office of deaconess is not considered a ministerial position and is more akin to being a nun, minus the vows and celibacy and convent life. There are some LCMS congregations that do allow deaconesses to do some minister-like things but this is not considered normative and confessional Lutherans within the LCMS are pushing back against the Synod's laxness in suppressing such practices.
"The Third Commandment. 78 Thou shalt sanctify the holy day. [Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.] 79 The word holy day (Feiertag) is rendered from the Hebrew word sabbath which properly signifies to rest, that is, to abstain from labor. Hence we are accustomed to say, Feierabend machen [that is, to cease working], or heiligen Abend geben [sanctify the Sabbath]. 80 Now, in the Old Testament, God separated the seventh day, and appointed it for rest, and commanded that it should be regarded as holy above all others. As regards this external observance, this commandment was given to the Jews alone, that they should abstain from toilsome work, and rest, so that both man and beast might recuperate, and not be weakened by unremitting labor. Although they afterwards restricted this too closely, and grossly abused it, so that they traduced and could not endure in Christ those works which they themselves were accustomed to do on that day, as we read in the Gospel; just as though the commandment were fulfilled by doing no external, [manual] work whatever, which, however, was not the meaning, but, as we shall hear, that they sanctify the holy day or day of rest. 82 This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians; for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ. 83 But to grasp a Christian meaning for the simple as to what God requires in this commandment, note that we keep holy days not for the sake of intelligent and learned Christians (for they have no need of it [holy days]), but first of all for bodily causes and necessities, which nature teaches and requires; for the common people, man-servants and maid-servants, who have been attending to their work and trade the whole week, that for a day they may retire in order to rest and be refreshed. 84 Secondly, and most especially, that on such day of rest (since we can get no other opportunity) freedom and time be taken to attend divine service, so that we come together to hear and treat of God’s Word, and then to praise God, to sing and pray. 85 However, this, I say, is not so restricted to any time, as with the Jews, that it must be just on this or that day; for in itself no one day is better than another; but this should indeed be done daily; however, since the masses cannot give such attendance, there must be at least one day in the week set apart. But since from of old Sunday [the Lord’s Day] has been appointed for this purpose, we also should continue the same, in order that everything be done in harmonious order, and no one create disorder by unnecessary innovation. 86 Therefore this is the simple meaning of the commandment: since holidays are observed anyhow, such observance should be devoted to hearing God’s Word, so that the special function of this day should be the ministry of the Word for the young and the mass of poor people; yet that the resting be not so strictly interpreted as to forbid any other incidental work that cannot be avoided. 87 Accordingly, when asked, What is meant by the commandment: Thou shalt sanctify the holy day? answer: To sanctify the holy day is the same as to keep it holy. But what is meant by keeping it holy? Nothing else than to be occupied in holy words, works, and life. For the day needs no sanctification for itself; for in itself it has been created holy [from the beginning of the creation it was sanctified by its Creator]. But God desires it to be holy to you. Therefore it becomes holy or unholy on your account, according as you are occupied on the same with things that are holy or unholy. 88 How, then, does such sanctification take place? Not in this manner, that [with folded hands] we sit behind the stove and do no rough [external] work, or deck ourselves with a wreath and put on our best clothes, but (as has been said) that we occupy ourselves with God’s Word, and exercise ourselves therein. 89 And, indeed we Christians ought always to keep such a holy day, and be occupied with nothing but holy things, i.e., daily be engaged upon God’s Word, and carry it in our hearts and upon our lips. But (as has been said) since we do not at all times have leisure, we must devote several hours a week for the sake of the young, or at least a day for the sake of the entire multitude, to being concerned about this alone, and especially urge the Ten Commandments, the Creed, and the Lord’s Prayer, and thus direct our whole life and being according to God’s Word. 90 At whatever time, then, this is being observed and practised, there a true holy day is being kept; otherwise it shall not be called a Christians' holy day. For, indeed, non-Christians can also cease from work and be idle, just as the entire swarm of our ecclesiastics, who stand daily in the churches, singing, and ringing bells but keeping no holy day holy, because they neither preach nor practise God’s Word, but teach and live contrary to it. 91 For the Word of God is the sanctuary above all sanctuaries, yea, the only one which we Christians know and have. For though we had the bones of all the saints or all holy and consecrated garments upon a heap, still that would help us nothing; for all that is a dead thing which can sanctify nobody. But God’s Word is the treasure which sanctifies everything, and by which even all the saints themselves were sanctified. At whatever hour, then, God’s Word is taught, preached, heard, read or meditated upon, there the person, day, and work are sanctified thereby, not because of the external work, but because of the Word, which makes saints of us all. 92 Therefore I constantly say that all our life and work must be ordered according to God’s Word, if it is to be God-pleasing or holy. Where this is done, this commandment is in force and being fulfilled. 93 On the contrary, any observance or work that is practised without God’s Word is unholy before God, no matter how brilliantly it may shine, even though it be covered with relics, such as the fictitious spiritual orders, which know nothing of God’s Word and seek holiness in their own works. 94 Note, therefore, that the force and power of this commandment lies not in the resting, but in the sanctifying, so that to this day belongs a special holy exercise. For other works and occupations are not properly called holy exercises, unless the man himself be first holy. But here a work is to be done by which man is himself made holy, which is done (as we have heard) alone through God’s Word. For this, then, fixed places, times, persons, and the entire external order of worship have been created and appointed, so that it may be publicly in operation. 95 Since, therefore, so much depends upon God’s Word that without it no holy day can be sanctified, we must know that God insists upon a strict observance of this commandment, and will punish all who despise His Word and are not willing to hear and learn it, especially at the time appointed for the purpose. 96 Therefore not only those sin against this commandment who grossly misuse and desecrate the holy day, as those who on account of their greed or frivolity neglect to hear God’s Word or lie in taverns and are dead drunk like swine; but also that other crowd, who listen to God’s Word as to any other trifle, and only from custom come to preaching, and go away again, and at the end of the year know as little of it as at the beginning. 97 For hitherto the opinion prevailed that you had properly hallowed Sunday when you had heard a mass or the Gospel read; but no one cared for God’s Word, as also no one taught it. Now, while we have God’s Word, we nevertheless do not correct the abuse; we suffer ourselves to be preached to and admonished, but we listen without seriousness and care. 98 Know, therefore, that you must be concerned not only about hearing, but also about learning and retaining it in memory, and do not think that it is optional with you or of no great importance, but that it is God’s commandment, who will require of you how you have heard, learned, and honored His Word. 99 Likewise those fastidious spirits are to be reproved who, when they have heard a sermon or two, find it tedious and dull, thinking that they know all that well enough, and need no more instruction. For just that is the sin which has been hitherto reckoned among mortal sins, and is called ajkhdia, i.e., torpor or satiety, a malignant, dangerous plague with which the devil bewitches and deceives the hearts of many, that he may surprise us and secretly withdraw God’s Word from us. 100 For let me tell you this, even though you know it perfectly and be already master in all things, still you are daily in the dominion of the devil, who ceases neither day nor night to steal unawares upon you, to kindle in your heart unbelief and wicked thoughts against the foregoing and all the commandments. Therefore you must always have God’s Word in your heart, upon your lips, and in your ears. But where the heart is idle, and the Word does not sound, he breaks in and has done the damage before we are aware. 101 On the other hand, such is the efficacy of the Word, whenever it is seriously contemplated, heard, and used, that it is bound never to be without fruit, but always awakens new understanding, pleasure, and devoutness, and produces a pure heart and pure thoughts. For these words are not inoperative or dead, but creative, living words. 102 And even though no other interest or necessity impel us, yet this ought to urge every one thereunto, because thereby the devil is put to Right and driven away, and, besides, this commandment is fulfilled, and [this exercise in the Word] is more pleasing to God than any work of hypocrisy, however brilliant." - Luther's Large Catechism
@tony1685 Wait til you find out what some people insist calling Him "Lord" means... Everyone thinks their interpretation of the Bible and their version of Christianity/faith/whatever you want to call it is right.
Born & raised but no longer believe their replacement theology and eschatological teachings. Am now just a Christian, not a Lutheran. BUT the LCMS gets the gospel and grace and biblical inerrancy right so I can't fault them. They stand their ground and are never "progressive", which isn't easy in this world.
@@nathanjstoicYes, the LCMS may not specifically teach replacement theology, but the perspective that the Church has replaced Israel shows in their use of certain scriptures.
I appreciate your content very much and I really want to learn. Would you consider slowing your speech just a little bit. I am having difficulty keeping up. Thank you.
Very good. I would add two things. The Lutheran (not just LCMS) doctrine on the Eucharist is sacramental union which similar to, but different from, consubstantiation. (People with PhDs can make the distinctions clearer, or incomprehensible.) The LCMS doctrine on creation is that the Bible does not determine a specific age of the earth. LCMS does, as you state, take the position that the six days of creation were literal 24 hour days. How to reconcile the literal six 24 hour days with something other than young earth creationism would be an interesting exercise (i.e. for people with PhDs).
I enjoy your videos. You've done amazing research. I have one question-- With all this research which do you see as closest to the faith as biblically expected?
Nice concise summation. I hope you don't find it offensive if I can see that Catholics and the LCMS have a lot in common. I know several Catholics who go to LCMS Bible Studies because they are very scholarly. I might go myself.
Hi I am a Roman Catholic and I follow a LCMS Church here on you tube in the Sioux Falls ,SD area- I subscribed to their channel and follow their Bible study once a week. I live in Minnesota so I have visited that church a few times- met some of the folks there- very nice congregation! I have met the pastor and his family- very nice people! Every sun their services are livestreamed so I view them. Very nice church! growing up we never had bible study in the Roman Catholic Church so i am learning things.
@@cmacattack34 i enjoy discussing things like this with others as much as possible. i went to a Lutheran church but then discovered it was not following Exodus 20:8-11. i was catholic 35yrs, but now follow Scripture.
@@timnewman1172 I've been both for a time, doctrine wise they are almost completely the same. Officially the WELS don't believe in prayer or things like Bible studies with church bodies that are not in fellowship. LCMS don't go that far. Though in practice most WELS probably won't make a big deal about who you pray with or have Bible study it just depends. There are a couple minor differences too with liturgy (i.e. Psalms - in my experience LCMS reads the Psalms, but WELS typically sing it like a hymn.). Each congregation might vary, but most of the liturgy is the same. The WELS also have a different view on who is considered a public minister and would sometimes consider teachers a minister like a pastor sort of. Aside from that, if it wasn't for the logo you probably couldn't tell the churches apart if you attended their services. inb4: The above are generalizations and may not be indicative of all the churches. Though feel free to add anything I missed.
As an LCMS member, I must say this is very good. My only quibble is that confession/absolution, not confirmation, would possibly be considered a sacrament.
Actually confession isn’t considered a sacrament. While it has elements of sacraments it lacks a physical element (for example water in baptism and the bread and wine in communion.) That’s not to say we don’t encourage people to practice it though.
@@bekahwhit9786 "With regard to time, it is certain that most people in our churches use the sacraments, [that is] absolution and the Lord's Supper, many times in a year." Apology XI:3 (trans. Tappert).
There is a very large LCMS congregation here in San Antonio with 3 services on Sunday morning. The earliest service is very traditional and very liturgical. The 3rd service is very contemporary. The 2nd service is a blend of the 2 styles. Communion is only on the 1st Sunday of the month.
Interesting, a out closed communion: I was an organist at a MS church, and though I'm not Lutheran of any kind, they never had any qualms about my taking communion there.
I wonder why baptism is sprinkled when the Greek word “baptiize” means “submerge”. Technically it is sprinkling not baptism. Love the perfect eschatology, thanks. 🙏🏻👍🏻 Finally, unlike “Lutherans”, I believe as *Luther* did about the 27 books of the New Testament. Thanks for assembling and clarifying. Great.
yeah, I don't get it either. I marvel that churches don't seem to practice the obvious "repent and baptise" model that is so clearly given to us to read.. I welcome correction, if you can do so with in-context exegesis...
It should always be immersion as long as that's possible. The first time other modes of baptism were mentioned was in the didache, and they were reserved for when there wasn't enough water available for immersion. Many churches got a bit lax on this and started using sprinkling or affusion as the main mode
and how about Exodus 20:8-11. catholicism has tampered with the Holy Command and even admit to this. the Sabbath was and is the Biblical Lord's day - according to both OT and NT.
LCMS Christian here… I understand it to mean “an application of water.” The Greek word is used in Mark 7 to describe ceremonial washings that included dining couches - likely not submerged. Also, the Didache was written in Koiné Greek just like the New Testament, and describes several modes of baptism that may include but are not limited to immersion. Nothing wrong with immersion - it’s very traditional and rich with imagery, but ultimately the power is in God’s Word attached to the water and the faith that receives it. The quantity of water and mode are secondary.
Hey, so I am actually working when I get a chance on an SBC video right now. It probably won't be out until June or July. If you haven't watched my video on SBC vs Independent Baptist, that is the best I have for now.
One thing I noticed that kinda bothered me was that you stated “confession” as a sacrament. The LCMS, while encourages people to go to confession, does not view this as a sacrament. For it be classified as such you need multiple things to be present (I can’t remember all of them, I think it’s 3, but it might only be 2) but the major element missing for confession to be classified as a sacrament is lack of a physical element. To give an example: Communion has the bread and wine and baptism has water. That is why we do not view marriage, rite of death, or other things that the Catholic Church view as sacrament sacraments in the LCMS.
It varies in the LCMS whether confession is a third sacrament. I talk about this a bit more in my full video on the LCMS. This is why the LCMS website says "Roman Catholics speak of seven Sacraments while Lutherans tend to speak of only two (or three). More important than number is how the Sacraments are understood." www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/faqs/denominations They also say in a footnote of the long report of the LCMS Commission on Theology and Church Relations on Confession and absolution "‘Lutherans may refer to confession and absolution as a Sacrament. The Lutheran Confessions do so in LC IV and Ap XIII. See Question 294 in Luther’s Small Catechism with Explanation, 282." files.lcms.org/wl/?id=6z4xwtEirpMzWopC3PhBgtV6GVM5ZE67 (footnote 131)
@@ReadyToHarvest interesting, I definitely need to watch those videos! But I think most LCMS churches do not see it as a sacrament (tbh, I don’t think most Lutherans in the LCMS practice it either, even with encouragement from the pastor to do so). I was taught in conformation that it wasn’t. I guess I learn something new everyday.
@@bekahwhit9786 Not only do some LCMS Lutherans regard confession as a sacrament, but there are those who call worship a 'Mass' and will even cross themselves and/or genuflect, I've seen all of this in LCMS churches I've attended in the past
This is why confessional Lutherans sometimes say we believe in "2 and a half sacraments". The three things Lutherans typically require for something to be considered a sacrament are 1, that it was insituted by Christ, 2, that it offers forgiveness of sins, and 3, that it involves physical elements. Baptism and the Lord's supper meet all three points. We do confess that confession and absolution offers real forgiveness of sins, therefore some Lutherans list it as a sacrament as well. Ultimately it's a matter of cemantics and thus should not be considered church-dividing whether you call it a sacrament or not. That said, whether you call it a sacrament or not, it should not be considered acceptable for an LCMS church to not practice private confession for those who want it. It is orthodox Lutheran practice that should be done in all confessional Lutheran churches in some form even if they choose not to call it a sacrament.
@@bekahwhit9786 Just graduated from an LCMS Pre-Seminary program (CUW) and every conservative/traditional pastor, professor, and student I've come across views confession as a Sacrament. Within the Book of Concord, the Large Catechism and the Apology of the Augsburg Confession refer to it as a Sacrament. I think most Lutherans would be surprised how open-ended our understanding of a Sacrament can be. Melanchthon even speaks of ordination/holy orders as a sacrament in Apology XIII.
In your playlist "Church Split", Would you please add: Lutheran / Catholic Split. Hopefully your take will help better explain (to those I have trouble explaining to) why it's described that the Lutheran Church is the catholic church with the lowercase "c". It's a humbling stance to think this way, I know. As I don't have the gift of public speech, & can't reach as many people as you can. And a playlist makes for a quicker reference. (Later in time... after other uploads) Thank you for your devotion, time, & dedication.
Martin Luther was in a debate in 1519 on why purgatory didn't exist and couldn't refute 2 maccabees 12:44. So he threw it out of the canon along with the rest of the deuterocanon and followed the masoretic text. A post christian Jewish text rather than the septuagint which had those books and was what Jesus and the apostles quoted from 66 percent of the time.
Some LCMS churches practice closed communion, the belief that one must belong to a church body that they’re in fellowship with to commune, and others (many) practice close communion, the belief that one needs only be baptized and agree with the doctrine of the real presence. (I can’t follow the logic of closed communion, but as Anglican, close communion at least seems consistent with Lutheran doctrine.) They believe that everyone who communes at one of their churches receives the true body and blood of Christ, whether that person believes in the real bodily presence of Christ in the Lord’s Supper or not. They interpret 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 to mean that one who communes at their rail without believing Christ is truly present in the bread and wine eats and drinks judgment on themselves-in other words, they restrict communion because they believe that’s what the Bible says. Can’t fault them for that, even if you disagree with them, I guess. I don’t mean to be trite, but faulting Lutherans for not practicing open communion is kind of like faulting Baptists for not baptizing infants-one might not agree with them, but they wouldn’t really be true to who they are if they did otherwise. 🤷♂️
@augustinian2018 You are correct. As an LCMS lutheran, I'll say that I don't like the idea of closed communion. It's too restrictive. Not very loving, either. I've been to one that does. The one I go to now and another that I've been to practice close communion. If you're a baptized Christian and you believe that the body and blood of Christ are truly present in the eucharist, then come on up and receive it with us.
I would note the LCMS has done away with Deacons. Elders still exist. Deaconess is not a female Elder as this role is reserved for men. Deaconess is a called position.
This is the true Church of Christianity. It’s veered off somewhat but still trying with good Pastors. I like it but like CLC better and ELDONA. But these are all the good Lutherans.
those are some clear basic church beliefs ; reading the Bible makes us smarter ; Ecclesiastes brings back the mind to reality (who controls everything , what's the purpose o life) ; new planets and starships interest me
I'd like to point out how ELCA videos are full of LCMS people being rude, nasty, condescending and insulting, and yet, LCMS videos show a distinct lack of ELCA people doing the same to them. There's a reason ELCA is the largest Lutheran body in the US. Because we're not snide, self absorbed, overly-conservative jerks.
The Luther Bible included the Apocrypha. Luther did not consider it scripture, per se, but said "It is good to read." For those of you that don't know, Martin Luther was an anti-Semite.
Thats more of a Calvinist issue, but often times Lutherans can identify with this one. Sometimes, I wonder if it has more to do with our German heritage than anything else.
Thank you for reminding me why I am not a LCMS Lutheran. The fact that each Preacher has Bishop Authority tells me that many Preachers may not be mature enough to handle this power. The Bishop is an essential Check and Balance of the running of a Church. The Power to Excommunicate is certainly a power that needs Checks and Balances. In my view, the "Office of the Keys to Confession" is overused and far too often not for the intended purpose. Not mentioned is that the LCMS recognizes the Filioque, which is indirectly acknowledging the power of the Pope to alter a Statement of Faith. Nor does the LSMS officially recognize any of the Seven Church Councils after Nicaea and Chalcedon.. Their tacit acceptance of Total Depravity is problematic in that it puts to question whether the Bible was actually put together correctly. (The Totally Depraved have the Total Inability to advance the cause of their own Salvation, as the compilation of the Bible certainly would.), though they demonstrate the deficiencies of their Bible by excluding the Deuterocanonical Books.
@@venjenciearnold9658 from my understanding this has to do with the book of genesis being written as true history. Meanwhile the book of revelation was written in apocryphal language. Not everything is what it means, it is full of symbolism better understood by the ancient church.
This is the very religiosity Jesus condemned the pharisees for. If only you would follow the scripture and leave all this other man made junk out of everything. Sad...
11 - 5 - 23 #1 You mean your Seventh day Adventist Saturday Sabbath......by going to an SDA church and having the father of LIES the Devil as your SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism ? That Sabbath ? #2 You mean your Saturday Sabbath that you spend ALL day WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's than ANY other day of the WEEK while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? That SATURDAY Sabbath ? #3 You mean your Sabbath by being under MASONIC PROBATION Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment that Ellen G White put you on? ( 1T 199 year of 1859 ) That Sabbath ? ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Things I disagree with Lutherans on: 1. The Bible's Reliability, 2. The Trinity, A Virgin Birth, Founding Divinity, & Founding Resurrection. (Everything else I can believe) 3. The Founder's Last Supper, Regarding the Presence aspect. How can Bread & Wine/Juice suddenly turn into Skin & Blood on the spot? & How do you not feel it?! Spiritual Presence maybe, Totally Symbolic, but not Real Presence! 4. A 6 Day Creation Period, Salvation only thru Faith, & Total Depravity. 5. The Amillennial Eschatological theory along with No Rapture, & No Armageddon. 6. Alcohol Consumption & Limited Divorce! (Nobody should be drinking alcohol in churches, nor should they get divorced at all... unless via incarnation).
Many of the things you stated that you disagree on aren't just what the LCMS believes. Most of them are fundamental Christian doctrines regardless of denomination.
As a Pastor in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, I will say that you did excellent with this one. You were even thorough and acknowledged a few tensions within our church body.
i wonder Sir, since you're a pastor, why don't you follow and teach Exodus 20:8-11 as the Bible does?
thanks for your time.
@@tony1685 where did this come from? What are you talking about? I don't even know who you are, so how do you know what I follow? What are your expectations? Honestly, this is extremely accusatory, and out-of-left-field and insanely vague to respond.
@@pastorneil9125 thanks for your time, Pastor - don't you abide by 1 Thess 5:21 _'test all things'_ ??
you shouldn't be offended when another is inquisitive about what your church teaches, if you're following Truth.
i am simply a Christian asking a question.
is that offensive, Sir?
you stated it was _'insanely vague'_ - so i will elaborate.
Exodus 20 contains the Commandments of our Creator - among Them is Exodus 20:8-11
i simply asked if your church follows and teaches this Command ~ as it's interestingly forgotten by most churches, even though It begins with _'Remember'_ .
@@tony1685 "i am simply asking a question...." so tony, perhaps you heard of the fallacy called "begging the question". and here you are now in your second post being outright untruthful by claiming that you "simply asked if the pastor's church follows and teaches the command...." you do realize that everyone reading these comments can see your original question don't you? you did not simply ask the pastor if his church follows and teachers a particular command. Pastor Neil is right in not responding back to you on your second post.
@@getworking5652 my first post was based off of my realizing that this church doesn't uphold Ex 20:8-11.
my 2nd post is asking the same thing.
if this church abides by Exodus 20:8-11, then a simple answer, rebutting my claim, would be sufficient.
thanks for your post!
would you like to discuss this matter further, Sir?
and perhaps Pastor Neil is researching this Command and/or wondering why his church isn't following It.
1 Thess 5:21 and Eph 5:11
thanks for reading, Sir.
LCMS Lutheran here, Fantastic video!
Thank you!
Hope that LCMS will spread their beliefs and build their church in Indonesia, Amen!!
I did a little research and it looks like a church that has worked with LCMS in Indonesia would be "Indonesian Christian Lutheran Church (GKLI)". I'm not from Indonesia, so I don't know much about that church, but it may be worth looking into if you are trying to find a church home. Though checking the lcms website, it doesn't show the GKLI as in fellowship officially so it might be that there are some differences.
@@MrJeb123 yeah, as i know, GKLI still practiced women ordination as priest, but maybe no. Hope that some lutheran church in indonesia can be one communion with LCMS. I can't wait to see High Lutheran in my country
@Bang Dwi: Setuju kali bang!
@LCMS: Dear LCMS, please open a High Lutheran church in our country. You could start one easily in North Sumatra. Lutheranism is the biggest denomination in the country already and many are longing to worship in fellowship with our confessional lutheran brothers and sisters from the LCMS. A High Lutheran confessional church is not yet to be found. There is only one church in communion with LCMS, the Gereja Lutheran Indonesia, but they are not a high church.
These videos are clear, appear to be unbiased and definitely help an outsider better understand the particular religious group addressed. Thanks!
As a Confessional Lutheran, well stated. Peace.
Seconded.
yes❤
May God continue to strengthen this godly Church body and its leaders. +Gloria Deo--Glory to God+
This is a pretty accurate and fair summary. Well done. I might add that a small (and increasing) number of churches offer the Lord's Supper to children before the rite of Confirmation if after examination they are deemed ready. But as the video says, most still tie the first reception of the Lord's Supper with Confirmation.
My husband and I had let our young daughters when they would sit with us at church and after they had shown to be loving and wanted God as part of their lives. Then soon they would be getting baptistized their choice. ❤ Ages 5/6
Great breakdown my dude. Grew up not knowing there were denominations within the Lutheran church aka LCMS v ELCA (honestly just those were evangelical protestants). Was baptized and confirmed, Passover dinner, candle bearing... thought that was normal. More "conservative" or "Catholic" and whatnot. Now I realize all denominations, all brothers and sisters in Christ are the same. If Christ is knocking answer the door. God bless.
As an LC-MS theologian I can say that this is an excellent summation.
Thank you brother in christ.
"In, with, and under" not "in and around". It's a phrase that is meant to convey that we don't have an explanation for the mystery. We simply confess that Christ's true body and blood are truly present in the sacrament.
Many, though not all, of us within the LCMS would also argue that we are catholic, not protestant. Note here that we spell catholic with a lower case "c". Other denominations are way more rejecting of catholic teaching than the LCMS is, and the Athanasian Creed affirms the catholic faith as found in scripture, but that would be a video in and of itself.
i have noted in my life that so many other denominations dis like Catholisism ,that they get carried away and throw out almost everything they have in common with it..they scoff at lutheran robes,our pomp and cicumstance.,even our seminary requirements to be a pastor are critisized...i believe thats why they dislike infant baptism..in an effort to be anti catholic,they have decided it is an act of man,not God and therefore the "age of accountability becomes neccessary
i had this exact same thought
The only thing I don’t like is contemporary and UOJ. Otherwise I agree with all he says.
As an Anglican, I’d note that we frequently don’t even bother with the lower vs upper case distinction. We’re not lower case ‘c’ Christians, so why call ourselves lower case ‘c’ catholics? Anglicans and Lutherans are the Evangelical Catholics (in my book, at least).
(Admittedly, in the translations of the Apostles’ and Nicene creeds we use, it’s ‘catholic’ rather ‘Catholic’, but it’s then inexplicably capitalized in the translation of the Athanasian creed and elsewhere in our formularies, so go figure. 🤷♂️)
I would note that we Anglicans would have a thing or two to say about Lutherans claiming to be *more* Catholic. 😜
@@augustinian2018 As a Traditional Lutheran we are the Original Evangelical Catholic Apostolic Church from the first century Of Jesus. We believe scripture interprets scripture and justification by faith alone and Holy Baptism are a must for Salvation and both Sacraments of Mass and Baptism are real as Jesus taught. The 5 solas!
Not all LCMS members accept the statemen that the LCMS is one of the "Protestant" Churches. Some may argue that the LCMS is uniquely Lutheran and as such is separate from Roman Catholic and all other Protestant churches. Nevertheless, a very good concise summary.
We are called Protestants but we really are different than both Roman Catholics and Protestants as We believe As closely to the scriptures as is possible for mankind. We are the Original Evangelical Catholic Apostolic Church. Not Roman however! Baptism now saves you. John 3:3-5. John 3:16. Justification by faith alone and not by good works lest anyone should boast. Loving the liturgy. The word comes first then one gets to know the Holy Trinity and Jesus.
@@edwardluth7740 you wrote: _'...We believe As closely to the scripture as is possible...'_ - why then do you follow catholicism and pretend the 1st day is church day when Exodus 20:8-11 is very clear that it's just another work day - the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day - according to both the OT and NT.
@@tony1685 troll, troll, troll, troll, ignorant, ignorant, ignorant… Stupid
@@tony1685 The work week starts on Monday for most people therefore Sunday is the seventh consecutive day of work so we rest instead of work. Saturday is only the 6th day of work if the work week starts on Monday.
@@guyontheinternet8891 you can rename them all ya like -- but the 7th day remains the 7th day Sabbath. anyone knows that.
grab a dictionary or encyclopedia and look up 'saturday' = it's clearly the 7th day and none deny this fact.
LCMS actually has a mixture of congregational polity and episcopal polity. The churches are organized geographically into 35 districts. Each district is overseen by a district president, which is analogous to the role of Bishop. However, each congregation is self-governed and resolutions made by district presidents or the Synod president are mostly advisory not authoritative if not according to scripture or if it's inexpedient for the congregation.
Great video, as a Lutheran I appreciate your work on this. just a request could you possibly do Reformed Baptist? It’s a broad denomination but I think there is enough overlap to make a great video.
love these new 4 minute videos
Thanks for the feedback!
My mother told me she had to go to confession (1:1) with the pastor before the monthly communion. This was a German speaking LCMS church in DuPage county, IL. Time frame was before WW2. I’m sure she viewed confession as close to a sacrament.
I go to a LCMS church in West Michigan (conklin) and we hold confession to just as high a regard.
Great informative content. Have watched and liked several. Esspecially helpful for people from / people who have come to Christ from non denominational churches
As a point of clarity for those looking into the LCMS from the outside, the Deaconess office for women is not officially considered equal to the male deacon office. The office of deacon is considered a sub-grade of the office of the ministry; the office of deaconess is not considered a ministerial position and is more akin to being a nun, minus the vows and celibacy and convent life.
There are some LCMS congregations that do allow deaconesses to do some minister-like things but this is not considered normative and confessional Lutherans within the LCMS are pushing back against the Synod's laxness in suppressing such practices.
Thanks. I agree with you as Dr Luther would, too.
why doesn't the LCMS keep the 7th day Sabbath, Sir?
Exodus 20:8-11
"The Third Commandment.
78 Thou shalt sanctify the holy day. [Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.]
79 The word holy day (Feiertag) is rendered from the Hebrew word sabbath which properly signifies to rest, that is, to abstain from labor. Hence we are accustomed to say, Feierabend machen [that is, to cease working], or heiligen Abend geben [sanctify the Sabbath]. 80 Now, in the Old Testament, God separated the seventh day, and appointed it for rest, and commanded that it should be regarded as holy above all others. As regards this external observance, this commandment was given to the Jews alone, that they should abstain from toilsome work, and rest, so that both man and beast might recuperate, and not be weakened by unremitting labor. Although they afterwards restricted this too closely, and grossly abused it, so that they traduced and could not endure in Christ those works which they themselves were accustomed to do on that day, as we read in the Gospel; just as though the commandment were fulfilled by doing no external, [manual] work whatever, which, however, was not the meaning, but, as we shall hear, that they sanctify the holy day or day of rest.
82 This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians; for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ.
83 But to grasp a Christian meaning for the simple as to what God requires in this commandment, note that we keep holy days not for the sake of intelligent and learned Christians (for they have no need of it [holy days]), but first of all for bodily causes and necessities, which nature teaches and requires; for the common people, man-servants and maid-servants, who have been attending to their work and trade the whole week, that for a day they may retire in order to rest and be refreshed.
84 Secondly, and most especially, that on such day of rest (since we can get no other opportunity) freedom and time be taken to attend divine service, so that we come together to hear and treat of God’s Word, and then to praise God, to sing and pray.
85 However, this, I say, is not so restricted to any time, as with the Jews, that it must be just on this or that day; for in itself no one day is better than another; but this should indeed be done daily; however, since the masses cannot give such attendance, there must be at least one day in the week set apart. But since from of old Sunday [the Lord’s Day] has been appointed for this purpose, we also should continue the same, in order that everything be done in harmonious order, and no one create disorder by unnecessary innovation.
86 Therefore this is the simple meaning of the commandment: since holidays are observed anyhow, such observance should be devoted to hearing God’s Word, so that the special function of this day should be the ministry of the Word for the young and the mass of poor people; yet that the resting be not so strictly interpreted as to forbid any other incidental work that cannot be avoided.
87 Accordingly, when asked, What is meant by the commandment: Thou shalt sanctify the holy day? answer: To sanctify the holy day is the same as to keep it holy. But what is meant by keeping it holy? Nothing else than to be occupied in holy words, works, and life. For the day needs no sanctification for itself; for in itself it has been created holy [from the beginning of the creation it was sanctified by its Creator]. But God desires it to be holy to you. Therefore it becomes holy or unholy on your account, according as you are occupied on the same with things that are holy or unholy.
88 How, then, does such sanctification take place? Not in this manner, that [with folded hands] we sit behind the stove and do no rough [external] work, or deck ourselves with a wreath and put on our best clothes, but (as has been said) that we occupy ourselves with God’s Word, and exercise ourselves therein.
89 And, indeed we Christians ought always to keep such a holy day, and be occupied with nothing but holy things, i.e., daily be engaged upon God’s Word, and carry it in our hearts and upon our lips. But (as has been said) since we do not at all times have leisure, we must devote several hours a week for the sake of the young, or at least a day for the sake of the entire multitude, to being concerned about this alone, and especially urge the Ten Commandments, the Creed, and the Lord’s Prayer, and thus direct our whole life and being according to God’s Word. 90 At whatever time, then, this is being observed and practised, there a true holy day is being kept; otherwise it shall not be called a Christians' holy day. For, indeed, non-Christians can also cease from work and be idle, just as the entire swarm of our ecclesiastics, who stand daily in the churches, singing, and ringing bells but keeping no holy day holy, because they neither preach nor practise God’s Word, but teach and live contrary to it.
91 For the Word of God is the sanctuary above all sanctuaries, yea, the only one which we Christians know and have. For though we had the bones of all the saints or all holy and consecrated garments upon a heap, still that would help us nothing; for all that is a dead thing which can sanctify nobody. But God’s Word is the treasure which sanctifies everything, and by which even all the saints themselves were sanctified. At whatever hour, then, God’s Word is taught, preached, heard, read or meditated upon, there the person, day, and work are sanctified thereby, not because of the external work, but because of the Word, which makes saints of us all. 92 Therefore I constantly say that all our life and work must be ordered according to God’s Word, if it is to be God-pleasing or holy. Where this is done, this commandment is in force and being fulfilled.
93 On the contrary, any observance or work that is practised without God’s Word is unholy before God, no matter how brilliantly it may shine, even though it be covered with relics, such as the fictitious spiritual orders, which know nothing of God’s Word and seek holiness in their own works.
94 Note, therefore, that the force and power of this commandment lies not in the resting, but in the sanctifying, so that to this day belongs a special holy exercise. For other works and occupations are not properly called holy exercises, unless the man himself be first holy. But here a work is to be done by which man is himself made holy, which is done (as we have heard) alone through God’s Word. For this, then, fixed places, times, persons, and the entire external order of worship have been created and appointed, so that it may be publicly in operation.
95 Since, therefore, so much depends upon God’s Word that without it no holy day can be sanctified, we must know that God insists upon a strict observance of this commandment, and will punish all who despise His Word and are not willing to hear and learn it, especially at the time appointed for the purpose.
96 Therefore not only those sin against this commandment who grossly misuse and desecrate the holy day, as those who on account of their greed or frivolity neglect to hear God’s Word or lie in taverns and are dead drunk like swine; but also that other crowd, who listen to God’s Word as to any other trifle, and only from custom come to preaching, and go away again, and at the end of the year know as little of it as at the beginning. 97 For hitherto the opinion prevailed that you had properly hallowed Sunday when you had heard a mass or the Gospel read; but no one cared for God’s Word, as also no one taught it. Now, while we have God’s Word, we nevertheless do not correct the abuse; we suffer ourselves to be preached to and admonished, but we listen without seriousness and care.
98 Know, therefore, that you must be concerned not only about hearing, but also about learning and retaining it in memory, and do not think that it is optional with you or of no great importance, but that it is God’s commandment, who will require of you how you have heard, learned, and honored His Word.
99 Likewise those fastidious spirits are to be reproved who, when they have heard a sermon or two, find it tedious and dull, thinking that they know all that well enough, and need no more instruction. For just that is the sin which has been hitherto reckoned among mortal sins, and is called ajkhdia, i.e., torpor or satiety, a malignant, dangerous plague with which the devil bewitches and deceives the hearts of many, that he may surprise us and secretly withdraw God’s Word from us.
100 For let me tell you this, even though you know it perfectly and be already master in all things, still you are daily in the dominion of the devil, who ceases neither day nor night to steal unawares upon you, to kindle in your heart unbelief and wicked thoughts against the foregoing and all the commandments. Therefore you must always have God’s Word in your heart, upon your lips, and in your ears. But where the heart is idle, and the Word does not sound, he breaks in and has done the damage before we are aware. 101 On the other hand, such is the efficacy of the Word, whenever it is seriously contemplated, heard, and used, that it is bound never to be without fruit, but always awakens new understanding, pleasure, and devoutness, and produces a pure heart and pure thoughts. For these words are not inoperative or dead, but creative, living words. 102 And even though no other interest or necessity impel us, yet this ought to urge every one thereunto, because thereby the devil is put to Right and driven away, and, besides, this commandment is fulfilled, and [this exercise in the Word] is more pleasing to God than any work of hypocrisy, however brilliant."
- Luther's Large Catechism
@@RepublicofE try using the Christian Bible, now.
sunday has never nor ever will be the Lord's day, friend.
@tony1685 Wait til you find out what some people insist calling Him "Lord" means...
Everyone thinks their interpretation of the Bible and their version of Christianity/faith/whatever you want to call it is right.
Excellent job young man. I grew up Lutheran and now I just consider myself a Christian. I wanted to see what I could remember.
Come on back!
I am a Christian first, then a Lutheran.
Always good content. And hey, good to see at least one denomination out of all of them has 100% correct doctrine. ;)
LOL!
Traditional Orthodox Lutherans are correct. Sola Scriptura…Sola Fide.
have you considered Exodus 20:8-11, zarnofad?
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Born & raised but no longer believe their replacement theology and eschatological teachings. Am now just a Christian, not a Lutheran. BUT the LCMS gets the gospel and grace and biblical inerrancy right so I can't fault them. They stand their ground and are never "progressive", which isn't easy in this world.
That's why I found a really great LCMS in my city. Enjoy it very much.
They don’t teach “replacement theology “
@@nathanjstoicYes, the LCMS may not specifically teach replacement theology, but the perspective that the Church has replaced Israel shows in their use of certain scriptures.
@@carrotstick1970 Israel always was God’s people. Currently, the new Israel does not consist of Judaists, who are of the synagogue of Satan.
What is replacement theology?
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
I appreciate your content very much and I really want to learn. Would you consider slowing your speech just a little bit. I am having difficulty keeping up. Thank you.
Love these short videos for my short attention span 🤣
Based.
Very good. I would add two things.
The Lutheran (not just LCMS) doctrine on the Eucharist is sacramental union which similar to, but different from, consubstantiation. (People with PhDs can make the distinctions clearer, or incomprehensible.)
The LCMS doctrine on creation is that the Bible does not determine a specific age of the earth. LCMS does, as you state, take the position that the six days of creation were literal 24 hour days. How to reconcile the literal six 24 hour days with something other than young earth creationism would be an interesting exercise (i.e. for people with PhDs).
I enjoy your videos. You've done amazing research. I have one question--
With all this research which do you see as closest to the faith as biblically expected?
Nice concise summation. I hope you don't find it offensive if I can see that Catholics and the LCMS have a lot in common. I know several Catholics who go to LCMS Bible Studies because they are very scholarly. I might go myself.
Hi I am a Roman Catholic and I follow a LCMS Church here on you tube in the Sioux Falls ,SD area- I subscribed to their channel and follow their Bible study once a week. I live in Minnesota so I have visited that church a few times- met some of the folks there- very nice congregation! I have met the pastor and his family- very nice people! Every sun their services are livestreamed so I view them. Very nice church! growing up we never had bible study in the Roman Catholic Church so i am learning things.
@@cmacattack34 i enjoy discussing things like this with others as much as possible.
i went to a Lutheran church but then discovered it was not following Exodus 20:8-11.
i was catholic 35yrs, but now follow Scripture.
Catholics place a lot of emphasis on works. Lutherans - grace alone. There are many other differences.
I'd like if he did WELS, I know they are similar to a point but I personally am a part of WELS. Especially any differences between LCMS and WELS
Oh, there are many differences between the LCMS and WELS!
@@timnewman1172 I've been both for a time, doctrine wise they are almost completely the same.
Officially the WELS don't believe in prayer or things like Bible studies with church bodies that are not in fellowship. LCMS don't go that far. Though in practice most WELS probably won't make a big deal about who you pray with or have Bible study it just depends.
There are a couple minor differences too with liturgy (i.e. Psalms - in my experience LCMS reads the Psalms, but WELS typically sing it like a hymn.). Each congregation might vary, but most of the liturgy is the same. The WELS also have a different view on who is considered a public minister and would sometimes consider teachers a minister like a pastor sort of.
Aside from that, if it wasn't for the logo you probably couldn't tell the churches apart if you attended their services.
inb4: The above are generalizations and may not be indicative of all the churches. Though feel free to add anything I missed.
As an LCMS member, I must say this is very good. My only quibble is that confession/absolution, not confirmation, would possibly be considered a sacrament.
Thanks David, Confession as the third sacrament is mentioned at 0:53
My mistake. Not sure how I missed that. You did a very good job.
Actually confession isn’t considered a sacrament. While it has elements of sacraments it lacks a physical element (for example water in baptism and the bread and wine in communion.) That’s not to say we don’t encourage people to practice it though.
@@bekahwhit9786 "With regard to time, it is certain that most people in our churches use the sacraments, [that is] absolution and the Lord's Supper, many times in a year." Apology XI:3 (trans. Tappert).
@@ReadyToHarvest _'sacrament'_ ?? this is catholic.
Bible has no 'sacraments' - either Christ paid it all and we accept and follow or we don't.
There is a very large LCMS congregation here in San Antonio with 3 services on Sunday morning. The earliest service is very traditional and very liturgical. The 3rd service is very contemporary. The 2nd service is a blend of the 2 styles. Communion is only on the 1st Sunday of the month.
That's a good contents. Can you explain about NALC(NORTH AMERICAN LUTHERAN CHURCH) subsequently?☺☺
They're Lutheran Light(s)...partially heretic with women pastors
You did us well.
Interesting, a out closed communion: I was an organist at a MS church, and though I'm not Lutheran of any kind, they never had any qualms about my taking communion there.
I wonder why baptism is sprinkled when the Greek word “baptiize” means “submerge”. Technically it is sprinkling not baptism.
Love the perfect eschatology, thanks. 🙏🏻👍🏻
Finally, unlike “Lutherans”, I believe as *Luther* did about the 27 books of the New Testament.
Thanks for assembling and clarifying. Great.
yeah, I don't get it either. I marvel that churches don't seem to practice the obvious "repent and baptise" model that is so clearly given to us to read..
I welcome correction, if you can do so with in-context exegesis...
It should always be immersion as long as that's possible. The first time other modes of baptism were mentioned was in the didache, and they were reserved for when there wasn't enough water available for immersion. Many churches got a bit lax on this and started using sprinkling or affusion as the main mode
@@JohnRobenault thanks. Couple details there i didnt know. I dont get why they would do anything different
and how about Exodus 20:8-11.
catholicism has tampered with the Holy Command and even admit to this.
the Sabbath was and is the Biblical Lord's day - according to both OT and NT.
LCMS Christian here…
I understand it to mean “an application of water.” The Greek word is used in Mark 7 to describe ceremonial washings that included dining couches - likely not submerged. Also, the Didache was written in Koiné Greek just like the New Testament, and describes several modes of baptism that may include but are not limited to immersion.
Nothing wrong with immersion - it’s very traditional and rich with imagery, but ultimately the power is in God’s Word attached to the water and the faith that receives it. The quantity of water and mode are secondary.
Most LCMS churches I have been to have more than 1 pastor, I have even been to one in Texas that had I believe 5 pastors.
That’s very interesting because I grew up in Michigan and my grandfather has been the only pastor of his church for 30+ years
Wow, exactly 4 minutes
will you do one on the SBC?
Hey, so I am actually working when I get a chance on an SBC video right now. It probably won't be out until June or July. If you haven't watched my video on SBC vs Independent Baptist, that is the best I have for now.
You don't consider Marriage to be a sacrament?
One thing I noticed that kinda bothered me was that you stated “confession” as a sacrament. The LCMS, while encourages people to go to confession, does not view this as a sacrament. For it be classified as such you need multiple things to be present (I can’t remember all of them, I think it’s 3, but it might only be 2) but the major element missing for confession to be classified as a sacrament is lack of a physical element. To give an example: Communion has the bread and wine and baptism has water. That is why we do not view marriage, rite of death, or other things that the Catholic Church view as sacrament sacraments in the LCMS.
It varies in the LCMS whether confession is a third sacrament. I talk about this a bit more in my full video on the LCMS. This is why the LCMS website says "Roman Catholics speak of seven Sacraments while Lutherans tend to speak of only two (or three). More important than number is how the Sacraments are understood." www.lcms.org/about/beliefs/faqs/denominations
They also say in a footnote of the long report of the LCMS Commission on Theology and Church Relations on Confession and absolution "‘Lutherans may refer to confession and absolution as a Sacrament.
The Lutheran Confessions do so in LC IV and Ap XIII. See Question 294 in Luther’s Small Catechism with Explanation, 282."
files.lcms.org/wl/?id=6z4xwtEirpMzWopC3PhBgtV6GVM5ZE67 (footnote 131)
@@ReadyToHarvest interesting, I definitely need to watch those videos! But I think most LCMS churches do not see it as a sacrament (tbh, I don’t think most Lutherans in the LCMS practice it either, even with encouragement from the pastor to do so). I was taught in conformation that it wasn’t. I guess I learn something new everyday.
@@bekahwhit9786 Not only do some LCMS Lutherans regard confession as a sacrament, but there are those who call worship a 'Mass' and will even cross themselves and/or genuflect, I've seen all of this in LCMS churches I've attended in the past
This is why confessional Lutherans sometimes say we believe in "2 and a half sacraments".
The three things Lutherans typically require for something to be considered a sacrament are 1, that it was insituted by Christ, 2, that it offers forgiveness of sins, and 3, that it involves physical elements.
Baptism and the Lord's supper meet all three points. We do confess that confession and absolution offers real forgiveness of sins, therefore some Lutherans list it as a sacrament as well. Ultimately it's a matter of cemantics and thus should not be considered church-dividing whether you call it a sacrament or not.
That said, whether you call it a sacrament or not, it should not be considered acceptable for an LCMS church to not practice private confession for those who want it. It is orthodox Lutheran practice that should be done in all confessional Lutheran churches in some form even if they choose not to call it a sacrament.
@@bekahwhit9786 Just graduated from an LCMS Pre-Seminary program (CUW) and every conservative/traditional pastor, professor, and student I've come across views confession as a Sacrament. Within the Book of Concord, the Large Catechism and the Apology of the Augsburg Confession refer to it as a Sacrament. I think most Lutherans would be surprised how open-ended our understanding of a Sacrament can be. Melanchthon even speaks of ordination/holy orders as a sacrament in Apology XIII.
In your playlist "Church Split",
Would you please add:
Lutheran / Catholic Split.
Hopefully your take will help better explain (to those I have trouble explaining to) why it's described that the Lutheran Church is the catholic church with the lowercase "c".
It's a humbling stance to think this way, I know.
As I don't have the gift of public speech, & can't reach as many people as you can.
And a playlist makes for a quicker reference.
(Later in time... after other uploads)
Thank you for your devotion, time, & dedication.
A bit too fast for me 😬. Where’s the 10- minute version 😄.
Please LCMS Lutherans please be more Conservative!
Are they not? I’m opening my eyes to my Baptist faith and I’m lookIng into this denomination. However, I’m extremely conservative.
OMG, a 3rd sacrament. I've not heard that one before, interesting.
Absolution is a sacrament. It's in the Augsburg confession, which a lutheran is bound to.
Can someone explain why apocrypha is not a scripture?
it contradicts Scripture and was written by the catholic 'church' - not during the Apostolic times.
Martin Luther was in a debate in 1519 on why purgatory didn't exist and couldn't refute 2 maccabees 12:44. So he threw it out of the canon along with the rest of the deuterocanon and followed the masoretic text. A post christian Jewish text rather than the septuagint which had those books and was what Jesus and the apostles quoted from 66 percent of the time.
Lcmc please!
So communion is not for Christians, it's for one small denomination and other churches that they have "fellowship with"? Is this biblical?
Some LCMS churches practice closed communion, the belief that one must belong to a church body that they’re in fellowship with to commune, and others (many) practice close communion, the belief that one needs only be baptized and agree with the doctrine of the real presence. (I can’t follow the logic of closed communion, but as Anglican, close communion at least seems consistent with Lutheran doctrine.)
They believe that everyone who communes at one of their churches receives the true body and blood of Christ, whether that person believes in the real bodily presence of Christ in the Lord’s Supper or not. They interpret 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 to mean that one who communes at their rail without believing Christ is truly present in the bread and wine eats and drinks judgment on themselves-in other words, they restrict communion because they believe that’s what the Bible says. Can’t fault them for that, even if you disagree with them, I guess. I don’t mean to be trite, but faulting Lutherans for not practicing open communion is kind of like faulting Baptists for not baptizing infants-one might not agree with them, but they wouldn’t really be true to who they are if they did otherwise. 🤷♂️
It is literal schism, which is why schismatics and heretics are disfellowshipped or excommunicated.
@ririperi
@augustinian2018 You are correct. As an LCMS lutheran, I'll say that I don't like the idea of closed communion. It's too restrictive. Not very loving, either. I've been to one that does. The one I go to now and another that I've been to practice close communion. If you're a baptized Christian and you believe that the body and blood of Christ are truly present in the eucharist, then come on up and receive it with us.
You should definitely think about doing the church of wells
WELS?
@@robertdouglas6089 no Church of Wells Texas
@@brentonhedrick Oh Okay. lol My bad.
I would note the LCMS has done away with Deacons. Elders still exist. Deaconess is not a female Elder as this role is reserved for men. Deaconess is a called position.
I wish he would have slowed down a good bit.
Try doing the playback speed at 0.75
I could agree with them on everything except the Amillineinal stance
Williamson Forks
Deuterocannon and apocrypha
Hi
This is the true Church of Christianity. It’s veered off somewhat but still trying with good Pastors. I like it but like CLC better and ELDONA. But these are all the good Lutherans.
those are some clear basic church beliefs ; reading the Bible makes us smarter ; Ecclesiastes brings back the mind to reality (who controls everything , what's the purpose o life) ; new planets and starships interest me
I'd like to point out how ELCA videos are full of LCMS people being rude, nasty, condescending and insulting, and yet, LCMS videos show a distinct lack of ELCA people doing the same to them.
There's a reason ELCA is the largest Lutheran body in the US. Because we're not snide, self absorbed, overly-conservative jerks.
The Luther Bible included the Apocrypha. Luther did not consider it scripture, per se, but said "It is good to read." For those of you that don't know, Martin Luther was an anti-Semite.
Came here because of a Corey J. Mahler
You may hold the antilegomena as Scripture in the LCMS
Since when? I'm an lcms lutheran, and the 66 books are only to be held as scripture...
The
most bibical church
How, they dont even have the correct Bible.
Frozen Chosen 😅
😉
Thats more of a Calvinist issue, but often times Lutherans can identify with this one. Sometimes, I wonder if it has more to do with our German heritage than anything else.
Lots of thought requirements and dogma.
Well done except that I would add Bible verses to show why we believe what we believe. All we do comes from the Bible.
Thank you for reminding me why I am not a LCMS Lutheran. The fact that each Preacher has Bishop Authority tells me that many Preachers may not be mature enough to handle this power. The Bishop is an essential Check and Balance of the running of a Church. The Power to Excommunicate is certainly a power that needs Checks and Balances. In my view, the "Office of the Keys to Confession" is overused and far too often not for the intended purpose. Not mentioned is that the LCMS recognizes the Filioque, which is indirectly acknowledging the power of the Pope to alter a Statement of Faith. Nor does the LSMS officially recognize any of the Seven Church Councils after Nicaea and Chalcedon.. Their tacit acceptance of Total Depravity is problematic in that it puts to question whether the Bible was actually put together correctly. (The Totally Depraved have the Total Inability to advance the cause of their own Salvation, as the compilation of the Bible certainly would.), though they demonstrate the deficiencies of their Bible by excluding the Deuterocanonical Books.
Schroeder Points
You left out their unique and strange doctrine of “Objective Justication”(universalism?) introduced by C F W Walter.
Yes he did. Why do they not take the 1000 year number literal but they take the Genesis Creation time literal?
It is not universalism.
@@sudoku1966 It is.
@@venjenciearnold9658 from my understanding this has to do with the book of genesis being written as true history. Meanwhile the book of revelation was written in apocryphal language. Not everything is what it means, it is full of symbolism better understood by the ancient church.
@@venjenciearnold9658 I am wondering the same thing. I didn't know LCMS holds a literal 6 day creation.
Why does the Lutheran church get to decide what is and what isn't scripture? Who are they to say the Deuterocanon shouldn't be in the Bible?
Not Protestant
… spoken like someone outside looking in - purely descriptive, lacking heart & conviction …
This is the very religiosity Jesus condemned the pharisees for. If only you would follow the scripture and leave all this other man made junk out of everything. Sad...
and a full cup of Gnosticism
infants shouldn't be baptized, they don't meet His criteria.
what about the 7th day Sabbath?
11 - 5 - 23
#1
You mean your
Seventh day Adventist Saturday Sabbath......by going to an SDA church and having the father of LIES the Devil as your SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism ?
That Sabbath ?
#2
You mean your Saturday Sabbath that you spend ALL day WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's than ANY other day of the WEEK while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ?
That SATURDAY Sabbath ?
#3
You mean your Sabbath by being under MASONIC PROBATION Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment that Ellen G White put you on?
( 1T 199 year of 1859 )
That Sabbath ?
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Things I disagree with Lutherans on:
1. The Bible's Reliability,
2. The Trinity, A Virgin Birth, Founding Divinity, & Founding Resurrection. (Everything else I can believe)
3. The Founder's Last Supper, Regarding the Presence aspect. How can Bread & Wine/Juice suddenly turn into Skin & Blood on the spot? & How do you not feel it?! Spiritual Presence maybe, Totally Symbolic, but not Real Presence!
4. A 6 Day Creation Period, Salvation only thru Faith, & Total Depravity.
5. The Amillennial Eschatological theory along with No Rapture, & No Armageddon.
6. Alcohol Consumption & Limited Divorce! (Nobody should be drinking alcohol in churches, nor should they get divorced at all... unless via incarnation).
So, then, what exactly do you believe?
Many of the things you stated that you disagree on aren't just what the LCMS believes. Most of them are fundamental Christian doctrines regardless of denomination.
Regarding #1-2, are you just not even a Christian?
You took 4 minutes on something I can explain in one second and two words. TRAIN WRECK.
I hope one day the Lutheran Church will conduct, accept and affirm same sex marriages. Keep studying the scriptures in the original Hebrew and Greek.
Start with Romans 1 genius!
You can go to ELCA for your brand of -- apostasy ..