Building the FASTEST RC F1 Car

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  • @Project-Air
    @Project-Air  Місяць тому +67

    Download World of Warships for FREE today! wo.ws/3V46noT

    • @HS92843
      @HS92843 Місяць тому +4

      Can I get it on Xbox ??

    • @RekySai
      @RekySai Місяць тому +2

      Personally I unsubscribe from UA-camrs who love to lie. F1 is a racing division.... Convoluting it into what ever you want is dumb

    • @boimcpickle
      @boimcpickle Місяць тому

      @@RekySai 💀

    • @CrayCrayCrayfish72
      @CrayCrayCrayfish72 Місяць тому +2

      @@RekySai F1 also refers to the chassis on the F1 car

    • @Starlite123
      @Starlite123 Місяць тому +2

      Maybe a rubber skirt and tape at the bottom just to let it glide over the bumps?

  • @ivanmirandawastaken
    @ivanmirandawastaken Місяць тому +1846

    FIND - A - TUNNEL (with a flat ceiling)

    • @junatah5903
      @junatah5903 Місяць тому +48

      Every tunel has a ceiling, doesn't have to be flat either.

    • @sabyasachitalukdar4314
      @sabyasachitalukdar4314 Місяць тому +38

      Build a tunnel with flat ceiling

    • @LordRidler
      @LordRidler Місяць тому +50

      ​@@junatah5903should be flat to drive this car on the ceiling I guess

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 Місяць тому

      @@ivanmirandawastaken just go to the London Underground on a slow day, plenty of flat tunnels there lol

    • @bakerfx4968
      @bakerfx4968 Місяць тому +37

      There’s a guy trying to do that full scale and they’re building their own track for it. Project Air should do a scaled down version lol

  • @A1pha012
    @A1pha012 Місяць тому +559

    If anyone is interested in fan cars, the McMurtry Spéirling recently broke track records, proving that ground effect is very effective under the right circumstances.

    • @Losthewaronemus
      @Losthewaronemus Місяць тому +20

      I was about to start yapping about this car when I saw your comment. Clearly a man of culture, or Carwow enjoyer

    • @user-zr1gy8cp4l
      @user-zr1gy8cp4l Місяць тому +11

      You can’t forget the Gordon Murray T.50 as well

    • @Bholla64A9
      @Bholla64A9 Місяць тому +9

      the t.50 uses the fan in a very different way which only produces downforce at high speed and does little to increase the actual downforce of the car. it is mostly to make the car "stand out"

    • @A1pha012
      @A1pha012 Місяць тому

      @@Losthewaronemus Bit of both 😉 But also had an interest in MyEnergi for a while.

    • @Thefrogbread
      @Thefrogbread Місяць тому

      Yes

  • @BPSspace
    @BPSspace Місяць тому +262

    James you MUST do a part 2 and see if you can get it to drive upside down! 🏎

    • @thesunnynationg
      @thesunnynationg Місяць тому +3

      Driver 61 YT channel
      if you want to see someone do it for real.
      hasn't done it YET but preparations are running for a year now.
      and he is really adamant about that, he has surrounded himself with very smart F1 ppl to transform a Formula car into a specialized "upside down car".
      he got a big building company to build a dedicated tunnel just for that.
      I can't wait until he announces the date.

    • @jordanliszewski6549
      @jordanliszewski6549 Місяць тому +2

      He needs to have a skirt on hinges. Which is how every car now days does it.

    • @foodiusmaximus
      @foodiusmaximus День тому

      Engineering After Hours attempted to do it 3 years ago
      ua-cam.com/video/6BUtn0xp6AE/v-deo.htmlsi=dqp5U67Bg5askHdB

  • @kelevra558
    @kelevra558 Місяць тому +114

    The issue was you locked the suspension out. You effectively cancelled out the mechanical grip of the car. In turn, you also proved the effectiveness of the design. Double edged sword so to speak. You must have heard of the McMurty special right? If not....bro.... where have you been?

    • @deaddirt3214
      @deaddirt3214 Місяць тому +4

      Mcmurty at goodwood is unreal. I thought it was fake.

    • @easttennstudent
      @easttennstudent Місяць тому +2

      ​@@deaddirt3214same! The first time I saw it I thought the playback speed was increased. And the car kind of looks like a cartoon, just the way it's shaped.

    • @kelevra558
      @kelevra558 29 днів тому

      @@deaddirt3214 haaahahaha!!!! Never can tell these days right??? I saw this virtually PERFECT girl the other day. My initial thought was "meh....A.I. derived imagery. Nobody's that cute." Then i slapped myself in the face and nutted myself on my truck bedside because it was borderline special needs thinking.

    • @NNFaNRacing
      @NNFaNRacing 13 днів тому +2

      If he could find a smoother surface the locked out suspension would work, shifter karts don't have suspension but make plenty of grip. To get it to work on asphalt, he needs to anchor the bottom of the skirt to an un-sprung part of the car, like the control arms. Alternatively he could use servo adjusted skirts and drastically stiffen the suspension. What would work best is a small pod over each wheel with ducts leading to a central fan. If the downforce is acting directly on the knuckle you don't have to run extremely stiff suspension for it to work well.

    • @Rippthrough
      @Rippthrough 13 днів тому

      @@NNFaNRacing Those kart chassis are designed to twist and flex to work as the suspension, they still have suspension, it's just implemented very differently.

  • @lovrospacal245
    @lovrospacal245 Місяць тому +184

    the long awaited sequel is here

  • @stevezimmerman5644
    @stevezimmerman5644 Місяць тому +136

    There is a BBC documentary called "Gentlemen, Raise Your Skirts". About the ground effect cars Williams had back then. No fan but shaped underfloor and the skirts were spring loaded carbon strips that could retract up and down into a slot so they could touch the track surface and follow the imperfections in the track. Check it out if you can, it's awesome if you like those old BBC doc's.

    • @paulbarnett227
      @paulbarnett227 Місяць тому

      I remember that! Wow - that makes me feel old 👴

    • @TheBillzilla
      @TheBillzilla Місяць тому +10

      One of my fave quotes is from that, when Alan Jones complains about the ride quality of the car when they tried solid suspension. Frank Williams replies, "perhaps you could sit on your wallet, Alan?"

    • @stevezimmerman5644
      @stevezimmerman5644 Місяць тому +4

      @@TheBillzilla The most gentlemanly burn ever. They don't make them like sir Frank anymore.

    • @That_guy_69
      @That_guy_69 Місяць тому +1

      BBC💀

  • @Enter-wl3zf
    @Enter-wl3zf Місяць тому +237

    Some suggestions:
    How about a skirt made from a brush?
    How about putting the ground effect tray on a separate set of suspensions from the main chassis? One irl example is the Lotus88
    One I've been asking myself watching the video is what lead to the choice of a propeller instead of an impeller to evacuate the ground effect tray, as the latter is way better at producing a pressure difference?

    • @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio
      @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio Місяць тому +16

      That’s right, why a propeller instead of an impeller?

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому +11

      The brush idea is good but does add friction as it is in actual contact with the ground.

    • @Guybrush1816351
      @Guybrush1816351 Місяць тому +32

      Windscreen wiper blades might be good source, have metal spine with rubber in them.

    • @CHRIS_snm
      @CHRIS_snm Місяць тому +19

      I think thick rubber would be the best bet! Maybe a bike inner tube, or a piece of old tire!

    • @Enter-wl3zf
      @Enter-wl3zf Місяць тому +14

      @@superbmediacontentcreator my reasoning would be that a brush is flexible enough to deal with rough terrain, while doing a reasonable job at blocking airflow. The brush hair would also be trimmed through usage, by contacting the ground, reducing friction and tuning the system over time.
      The problem with a hard barrier as we saw in the video is that once it hits the ground the wheels suddenly lose traction, which could be reduced by using a brush skirt.
      Some hovercraft designs use brush skirts, which is why I thought of it. Granted there they try to keep air in instead of out.
      edit: I'm not sure where I saw it and cant find it atm.

  • @superbmediacontentcreator
    @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому +211

    The Chaparral did this long before the F1 car you cited. The concept is valid but was outlawed because the fan throws stuff all over the following cars.

    • @benkirkland5354
      @benkirkland5354 Місяць тому +13

      Was about to say the same thing. Can-Am allowed innovations like this because F1 had too many restrictions. Once proven, F1 adopted it.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому +1

      @@benkirkland5354 As I was growing up I cheered this and the STP turbine car both of which failed for different technical reasons. Had they foreseen the things that ultimately killed them they would have revolutionized the sector before being simply "ruled off" the tracks. I think the electric boost shows the most promise in the near term for F1 unless that like the Grid Girls it gets banned...

    • @mattg5852
      @mattg5852 Місяць тому +7

      As a gran turismo player, I remember having a lot of fun with this car

    • @MrMagooRC
      @MrMagooRC Місяць тому +11

      The Jim Hall's Chaparral 2J was also closer in concept to this than the Brab, as the on the 2J had a separate snowmobile engine, so fan rotation speed wasn't a direct relation of 'main' engine speed. More consistent 'suck' across the entire speed range of the car, rather than more 'suck' at higher main enginer RPM.

    • @Regular_Thomas
      @Regular_Thomas Місяць тому +3

      I'm sure it would throw a bunch of stuff around, but because it mostly made all of its downforce from the fan system if for whatever reason the suction between the car and the track, like a big enough bump or a skirt was broken it would lose all grip and be very dangerous. Imagine it just launching mid corner straight off the track. Great system in an ideal world but potentially deadly in a real world

  • @thequesomanishere
    @thequesomanishere Місяць тому +27

    I believe the Chaparral 2J had its skirt mounted to the suspension, not the chassis. This way the skirt stays flat with the wheels, and doesn't move with the body. Try mounting the skirt to the ends of the suspension near the ball joints, and I bet you'll have more consistent suction and longer lasting skirts.

    • @vhmakino
      @vhmakino 25 днів тому

      estava procurando esta reposta!

  • @RetinaBurner
    @RetinaBurner Місяць тому +56

    High pressure flexible 'tubular' perimeter skirt, low pressure chamber: Forget the walls, replace the skirting with something akin to a hovercraft skirt, but with the skirting pressurized to keep it inflated. I also suggest a tough material, as it will be in contact with the ground at high speeds.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому +3

      You're right in concept but there is difficulty with this sort of thing at scale. There are just some technologies and materials that don't scale down well. This is the case with your skirting material. It is very heavy and thick and hard to reproduce at a small size and get the same robust survival enjoyed in a 1:1 environment.

    • @geistmetzger
      @geistmetzger Місяць тому +10

      Maybe the rubber squeegee from a wiper blade may work. Semi rigid but flexible/durable edge

    • @petearundel166
      @petearundel166 Місяць тому +7

      Brush strips work too.

    • @Enter-wl3zf
      @Enter-wl3zf Місяць тому

      ⁠@@petearundel166Thats what I’m thinking! :D

    • @bjrn-oskarrnning2740
      @bjrn-oskarrnning2740 Місяць тому +4

      I thought maybe a spring-loaded sliding door-style wall with a low friction material at the bottom might work, or just some replaceable steel bits.

  • @ThePippin89
    @ThePippin89 Місяць тому +14

    Fun fact. Gordon Murray (the designer of the BT46B fitted an aeroplanes altimeter in the cars so that it would show whether the underfloor was sealed. The drivers had a problem that the skirt would be damaged and they wouldn't know and suddenly find themselves going through a corner about 40mph quicker than they could without the ground effect and having a colossal crash. So if the altimeter was in the green they could push. If it wasn't they had to back off.

  • @skazztheterrible
    @skazztheterrible Місяць тому +36

    You found what brabham found - it is really hard to get a good seal on a road surface. Passive underfloor ground effect ended up quite quickly outpacing the active design. Fun tho! And you didn't have an actual human driver experiencing the rapid fluctuations in the effect; the drivers were terrified by it.

    • @neblolthecarnerd
      @neblolthecarnerd Місяць тому +5

      I wouldn't say it outpaced the brabham because the brabham got banned after 1 race. If that car also got developed i reckon it would still stay ahead of the fanless ground effect cars.

    • @iskierka8399
      @iskierka8399 Місяць тому +6

      @@neblolthecarnerd It only participated in one race, it was banned after the season but voluntarily not run, partly because of not seeing the point, but also because of practical issues - such as the fact it was connected to the engine's crankshaft. This meant shifting in corners would cause abrupt changes in traction and made it very dicey to drive at the limits.

    • @neblolthecarnerd
      @neblolthecarnerd Місяць тому +5

      @@iskierka8399 I thought the mutual agreement was kinda a more polite way of withdrawing so they didn't actually get banned until the rules got rewritten. Especially given how easily it won the race it did do.

    • @kentonian
      @kentonian Місяць тому

      Bernie Eccelstone already had his eye on taking over the running of the sport at that stage, he withdrew the car to stay pally with the organisers. I don’t think golden Murray and the rest of the team knew this at the time

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho Місяць тому

      @@neblolthecarnerd The Brabham was in Lotus' sights to get it banned after they sank so much R&D money into aero downforce, so I think you're right.
      Edit: I also believe the Brabham team put a filter on it to fix the complaints of drivers getting slightly smoked out by the low levels of road dust and the few pebbles pelting their cars, and it only reduced the downforce slightly.

  • @industrialmonk
    @industrialmonk Місяць тому +51

    If my memory is correct the seal was made in more than 1 over lapping section so the road contact area could be worn away then slide down to replace it. Eg had a total loss section that lowers as it's warn away.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho Місяць тому +3

      iirc, it was also sprung so the skirts stayed in contact with the road surface.

  • @AndyFromBeaverton
    @AndyFromBeaverton Місяць тому +9

    The original Lotus car had sideboards mounted on slots so they would always adjust themselves to be touching the ground. Your front skirt-board doesn't need to create a perfect seal to the ground. If it's bouncing on the ground it will be slowing your car down. Some of the F1 cars used broom bristles to create a seal.

  • @ChristopherKlepel
    @ChristopherKlepel Місяць тому +13

    Why can't you make your skirt out of rubber? You could even use an old bike tire inner tube.

  • @glumpy10
    @glumpy10 Місяць тому +5

    Love to see this run on a basketball court where the floor was perfectly smooth. That would let it really corner.
    Seems like for the skirt, some thing pliable but durable like silicone sheet would be good. Great vid as usual!

  • @peraltarockets
    @peraltarockets Місяць тому +4

    "tea, obviously"
    James, engineering in the best British tradition.

  • @ValRC1
    @ValRC1 Місяць тому +12

    This is extremely sick, and you pulled it off so well! I have been thinking about doing something like this since seeing the Formula Student car from ETH Zürich use a similar approach for reaching 0-100km/h in under a second. IMO it's impressive how much extra downforce you ended up getting in a straight line on this.
    To improve the seal on bumpy roads, maybe you could try a 3d printed flexible TPU base with a sort of skirt around it from thin PTFE that is too long and just bends out when the car is further to the ground, but then extends once it goes more above it or over a bump?

  • @Urasuperstar
    @Urasuperstar Місяць тому +1

    From what I studied, the vaccum skirts on the bt46b were attatched to the suspension so that they'd always stay level despite the body movement.

  • @JonahZandona
    @JonahZandona Місяць тому +3

    its always good to see him upload and it makes my day

  • @testpilotian3188
    @testpilotian3188 Місяць тому +10

    The part you missed, or couldn’t replicate from the original fan car, was the skirts moved up and down inside a channel in the sidepods so that they maintained the perfect hight to the road all the time, the last time I saw one it was effectively a draft excluder bolted to a piece of plastic that sat in the channel. I’m also fairly sure they didn’t completely enclose the skirts at the front (and probably the back) of the car as that was how they drew the air in to create the vacuum. There’s no way this is practical to do on that size of car but maybe a bigger one?

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому +3

      Actually, he could have achieved this with a spring-loaded frame under the vehicle with a segmented rolling edge. The challenge as I mentioned in a previous comment is that some materials just don't scale well and many solutions add drag from their contact with the surface. Remember the aggregate in the roadway is 1:1 not scaled to the car used for testing. This naturally hampers and intrudes on any of the solutions and improvements.

    • @TimInertiatic
      @TimInertiatic Місяць тому

      That sounds like the Lotus ground effect skirt solution. I've not seen the Brabham layout to be fair

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 Місяць тому +1

      @@TimInertiatic they all worked on the same principle, either a sheet of plastic or one with draft excluders on the bottom.

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 Місяць тому +1

      @@superbmediacontentcreator in this case, size matters then lol

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho Місяць тому +1

      @@testpilotian3188 Lol it sure does, because we know the Square-Cube law and the exponential relationship between velocity and fluid drag makes "RC Scale Speed" one of those measurements that don't mean anything. It not only affects the material properties, but the physical properties and the vehicle behavior. These RC cars also have a power to weight ratio that is immense compared to actual cars, the Traxxas Maxx V2 for example has just shy of a 1 to 1 power to weight ratio if my quick maths were right (and they may not be since I'm not full awake yet), weighing about 0.2 kilos but making 0.16 horsepower from a 6 volt, 20 amp peak draw.
      Edit: Actually, its likely far above a 1 to 1 power to weight, now that I think about it. Since those things supposedly draw like up to 100 amps or more, and the motor gets to see the full 4s 16 or so volts, and that's 1.6kW, which means 2.15 horsepower. On a 200 gram vehicle. That's over a 10 to 1 power to weight ratio. Come on stupid brain, work with me today! The rocks ain't rocking right right now XD

  • @chaileeportraits
    @chaileeportraits Місяць тому +2

    15:06 love the bangs and pops😂😂😂

  • @Fin240R
    @Fin240R Місяць тому +4

    Active suspension with this on an RC car would be awesome!!!

  • @TheAussieAviator747
    @TheAussieAviator747 Місяць тому +9

    You are so inspiring for young engineers/aviators. Keep doing your thing!

  • @TinMar79
    @TinMar79 Місяць тому +5

    I like this concept a lot. Maybe you should try door brush seals for the skirt. First they are flexible, second durable and last you brush stones away in front of the car.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому

      The problem with your idea is that the contact adds drag. What you are envisioning is a reverse hovercraft which is valid but hard to do at scale...

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho Місяць тому

      I think sprung segmented skirts would be best, its what Chaparral did with the 2J, and it worked beautifully. The only difficulty is doing so effectively at RC scales.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому

      @@redmk3t You might want to read previous comments before bestowing us with your brilliance.

    • @redmk3t
      @redmk3t Місяць тому

      @superbmediacontentcreator The problem with your idea is that it's NOT valid on any scale. You probably shouldn't come up with ideas

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Місяць тому

      @@redmk3t Iditol leaving a comment that matches their personality... stupid.

  • @JPTulo
    @JPTulo Місяць тому

    Most under appreciated creator on the platform. Great project!!

  • @FLTfilmstuff
    @FLTfilmstuff Місяць тому +1

    This is epic, ur an awesome creator, don’t stop being awesome!

  • @OpenSourceLowTech
    @OpenSourceLowTech Місяць тому +3

    Fold of thin kevlar for the skirt? Maybe fibreglass but would be less durable.
    Also might get better results from an odd numbered blade fan?

  • @lesternielson9280
    @lesternielson9280 Місяць тому +3

    the small bits of debris, gravel and overall road roughness at the scale of your RC car, would be similar to trying to drive a formula car on a 4x4 off road trail. perhaps try testing again on a smoother airport runway?

  • @christopping5876
    @christopping5876 Місяць тому

    Excellent video, as always. No theatrics, unnecessary sounds or emojis. Just a logical, well edited video. Thanks. Waiting for the next one.

  • @george-a.m.75
    @george-a.m.75 10 днів тому

    You've created the perfect home RC Vacuum cleaner, just install a bag for the dirt at the end 😂!!! I would love to do house keeping like this👍

  • @Leon-vp3vb
    @Leon-vp3vb Місяць тому +3

    Cut rubber strip from bicycle tube, and use it as floor vaccum seal for tray.

  • @geistmetzger
    @geistmetzger Місяць тому +6

    The rubber squeegee from a wiper blade may have enough durability to last. It could allow for a small travel to be added back into the suspension to help with its jumpiness

    • @Carrot421911
      @Carrot421911 Місяць тому

      Yeah, rubber is the way to go. Much more flexible and durable than foamboard.

  • @gglobot
    @gglobot 18 днів тому

    to have the best effect, you have to attache the soft part of the skirt to the suspension triangle, Like this you can keep the skirt to a constent high from the ground. The skirt can be attached on one side to the rigid part (your aluminium board). And on the other side to a bar connecting the suspension triangle ( 2 tubes can be imbricated in each other so that they can slide and allow the suspension to work)

  • @rupertwhite7683
    @rupertwhite7683 Місяць тому

    Great project again! This is exactly my thought for pushing the next level of the RC car speed challenges. Down force with little drag penalty. Also hub motors to remove the drive train issues and be able to use gyro stabilised DTC to keep it straight. Tyres are the only unanswered question.

  • @MattTheMartian-qc6pr
    @MattTheMartian-qc6pr Місяць тому +5

    The car is bouncing because you disabled the suspension

  • @29pesos51
    @29pesos51 Місяць тому +10

    Damn it... It's all over the screen now 😕

    • @JPTulo
      @JPTulo Місяць тому

      😆🤣

    • @Vroome942
      @Vroome942 Місяць тому +2

      Tf is bro talking about 💀🤣

  • @Yetiboy_FCTT
    @Yetiboy_FCTT Місяць тому

    Great video yet again 😃
    The original F1 cars used thick rubber to seal the edges, but they used springs so they could move a bit through the undulating surfaces.
    Might be worth looking into 😊

  • @reecegobbo
    @reecegobbo Місяць тому +2

    Just a suggestion but maybe you could get a leaf blower and blow off the road as much as possible to have a nice smooth and consistent surface to test on .. maybe remove some variables?... Love the videos keep it up 👍

  • @samuelmorris6361
    @samuelmorris6361 Місяць тому +6

    Under a minute gang

  • @jaqummh
    @jaqummh Місяць тому +3

    So so bad clickbait title 👍

  • @newjargon1697
    @newjargon1697 16 днів тому

    Very cool idea. Now we need :
    1. Formula car
    2. Helicopter turbine
    3.Gearbox conversion
    4+ A lot of engineering
    Thanks for the video. Very interesting how you scaled down a previous idea and made it work !

  • @RCLifeChoseMe
    @RCLifeChoseMe Місяць тому

    I enjoy doing RC experiments from time to time too. Subscribed

  • @rustyscrewsrc
    @rustyscrewsrc Місяць тому

    As always, great video! Keep inspiring builders, young and old (you got me back into the hobby and building fun creations after a 30 year break)! Thanks again!

  • @NullusestMihi
    @NullusestMihi 23 дні тому

    I would also like to add that on modern formula one cars, the “vacuum chamber” becomes a lot higher the closer it gets to the end of the car. I can see that your vacuum chamber is a consistent height throughout and it reduces the total amount of possible ground effect because you aren’t making the most of the available area. My suggestion is to cut a rectangle on the bottom of the chassis and raise the roof of the vacuum chamber to increase the vacuum. Another thing that I’ve read a lot on is connecting the vacuum chamber to the bottom of the suspension and replacing the foam boards with a brush material and I would like to second that idea because it is a great idea to keep the vacuum consistent. I would also like to see you use a rubber seal like the ones used for car doors and refrigerators if you have the chance. And another thing, please make the exit for the air parallel to the ground because while you are driving, the small amount of air inside the vacuum chamber is crashing against the rear wall of the chamber before getting sucked out, so might as well replace the rear wall entirely with the propeller to reduce air resistance. This will also give you more vertical space to raise the roof of the vacuum chamber even further and make the suction stronger. I hope my ideas are of use to you, and keep making awesome content!

  • @fiorevicidomini8220
    @fiorevicidomini8220 Місяць тому

    Very nice project! Congrats! Next step you can try to seal the bottom with 3mm thick rubber and test it on a smooth surface like a flat parking area... I'm shure you will have great results..

  • @JayL781
    @JayL781 Місяць тому

    I'm about 1 minute into the video
    I had always wondered why no one has tried to do this with an RC car 👏👍😁. I'm already loving the video 🤤

  • @GraphicVolcano707
    @GraphicVolcano707 Місяць тому

    Although this might be hard to accomplish, but there was a design on the chaparral 2j regarding the side skirts. The 2j was a fan car, but had issues with maintaining proper suction. The car had a mechanism where the skirts would move up and down as it was linked to the suspension, preventing it from scraping against the track surface

  • @YohTaiSai420
    @YohTaiSai420 Місяць тому

    I geek over aerodynamics in cars. This is no exception.

  • @iblong9505
    @iblong9505 Місяць тому

    Man this channel keeps racking up one crazy project after another

  • @christopher.knight
    @christopher.knight Місяць тому

    For the skirt you could try some flexible rubber like a hovercraft, or perhaps some brush material like a paint brush. Try soft or hard bristles and see if there's a difference.
    I imagine you want something soft enough to adjust to the road surface without losing too much air pressure, although losing some air pressure might be preferable to losing traction on the tyres.

  • @Remmes
    @Remmes Місяць тому

    The skirts on F1 cars were moveable pieces slotted into the sides which would allow for the sealing over bumps. I'd love to see you build more on this idea, maybe trying more skirt materials, or even changing the fan duct shape.

  • @marksteps1712
    @marksteps1712 Місяць тому

    i'm an f1 nut and i know back in the day they had a semi rigid skirt that would bounce inside a receiver style channel, i wonder if you could construct something like that and try t again.
    despite the porpoising as soon as that fan cut off it was going straight to the scene of the accident, awesome look, need a 2.0 video

  • @SINIS0RSA
    @SINIS0RSA Місяць тому

    Imagine the rear edf installed on 1-axis servo controlled mount to provide some thrust vectoring. Ofc it would require some flexible sleeve to keep ground effect low pressure -side from leaking.
    Or maybe some active aero added to this car to help with cornering stability, and top speed (with drag reduction system).
    I’m just throwing some stupid ideas, but keep up your awesome work! 🙂

  • @coelhovinicius140
    @coelhovinicius140 Місяць тому

    It might be complicated, but the chaparral's fan car had the skirts somehow linked to the suspension so it stays in the right attitude, might help you with the consistency around the corners. There are so many details about those fan cars and active aero in general, have fun going down that rabbit hole!

  • @jetbeast
    @jetbeast Місяць тому

    amazing videos as always!i hope to get at least somewhat near your skill one day!

  • @H_chapman17
    @H_chapman17 Місяць тому

    Great video, I'm sure Adrian Newey would be proud

  • @AmedeoZitti
    @AmedeoZitti Місяць тому +1

    @12:22 That's exactly why fans like in the Brabham was prohibited :D if it fails mid corner you just fly away :D

  • @pbrod8325
    @pbrod8325 Місяць тому

    Great job!!!
    To overcome the weight issue - powering the fan by the differential/ an output shaft would be ideal. Might be complicated but it bet you can pull it off!

  • @jeremyurquhart7456
    @jeremyurquhart7456 Місяць тому

    Love your experiments on here..top content ❤

  • @ntmccauley362
    @ntmccauley362 Місяць тому

    YESS someone made more aero rc cars

  • @cjsnw
    @cjsnw Місяць тому

    Try using flat framing from nylon or teflon to keep the contact with ground.
    Keep that framing suspended from wheels using some impregnated fabric.
    Maybe even try using some sort of secondary thin short strips of fabric on the framing to compensate for smaller imperfections on the road.

  • @mikehaberski4596
    @mikehaberski4596 Місяць тому

    Glad to see you revisiting this project👍

  • @CappeSun
    @CappeSun Місяць тому

    Love the Wii Sports/Japan in a nutshell -font used in the past few videos

  • @Celsian
    @Celsian 28 днів тому

    12:19 And that's exactly why this was banned in F1 a couple of years later. Awesome recreation, really amazing they were brave enough to try this in manned vehicles.

  • @demonic477
    @demonic477 Місяць тому

    when the F1 engineers were trying to make the fan cars work the best material they found for the skirt s was aluminum or Lexan . they even tried using brushes but they where a lot heavier then the other option . the chaparral 2J was the fastest with it's floating skirt that worked with arms connected to the suspension to keep the skirt tight to the road. but trying to make this work on a model car would be a nightmare .

  • @Wheelz2Zero6
    @Wheelz2Zero6 Місяць тому

    From the beginning, looking at your preview videos, I could see that the cornering test was going to be flawed because of the rocks and the uneven surface. It would be cool to see you try this again on a track surface that is smoother and figuring out the perfect ride height. Good job on the video

  • @Yellow_bud
    @Yellow_bud Місяць тому +2

    Ay the car has returned!

  • @darkphotonstudio
    @darkphotonstudio Місяць тому

    Very cool! I’m surprised you didn’t mention the McMurtry Speirling fan car. It’s insanely fast and corners like it’s glued to the track, which it is, kind of.

  • @karlsantos
    @karlsantos 25 днів тому

    After watching up to 13 minutes on this amazing video I recon the low pressure false floor should be connected to the wheel carriers instead of the chassis.
    That would allow a softer and grippier tune of the suspension and still maintain the seal to the ground, maybe?
    Williams used something like that in F1 in the early 80's.

  • @jimbobur
    @jimbobur Місяць тому +1

    4:19 3D printed fractal support trees 🌲🌲

  • @myoneblackfriend3151
    @myoneblackfriend3151 18 днів тому

    I appreciate your careful scientific approach.

  • @nacly4654
    @nacly4654 Місяць тому +1

    Really should have started from propeller design if you're going to build fan assemblies from a selection of options. Having a lower RPM higher torque motor (different KV rating to prevent heat loading via efficiency loss, which is why the 10 blade fan made the motor draw power beyond what it can handle heat wise, but made more vacuum) helps you run propeller designs more optimized for efficiently creating static pressure, so you'll get more pressure difference for a given electrical output. PC fans and boat propellers both take static pressure vs. air volume into consideration.
    Material for the skirts must have a low elastic deformation force, with a high elasticity limit to account for all the rocks and road debris. Making it as thin as possible without distortion also helps. Or, keep the foam and run it indoors on a clean surface.

    • @wesdiezy
      @wesdiezy Місяць тому

      Yes thank you. You're the only comment I could find that mentioned KV. I think Optimizing for a KV with a sustained desirable RPM with the 10 blade fan of a more static optimized blade design is the key. I also think that for the skirt the foam should be a single piece with a large void cut out of it for more strength. Maybe ad some kind of thin tubular uhmwpe edge to it for wear resistance. or maybe a skirt like on actual hover crafts. Hope he makes a v2 of this video.

  • @Tubski.Ollie126
    @Tubski.Ollie126 Місяць тому

    Imagine the ideal track. When you make the care smaller, everything else gets bigger. If everything was smooth, flat, and sticky, I'd love to see an rc car race of practically mini f1.

  • @TregTube
    @TregTube Місяць тому

    I have been waiting for this video for so long

  • @jaydizzay
    @jaydizzay Місяць тому

    @Project-Air Have a look into Chaparral's solution for rough surfaces with the 2J, basically they mounted the skirts to the suspension components so the skirts rise and fall with the wheels rather than directly to the body

  • @user-co9xg4ey1o
    @user-co9xg4ey1o Місяць тому

    when i first heard about this formula 1 car i had some ideas of my own but testing them on a life size car was never going to be in my price range so you have given me a good idea, thanks

  • @matthewnardin7304
    @matthewnardin7304 Місяць тому +2

    If you scaled up the small bumps and cracks in the road it would be like taking a life size F1 down a gravel road. Surprised it worked as well as it did.

  • @aL3891_
    @aL3891_ Місяць тому +2

    engineering helper.. _put a ring on it james_

  • @giacomodallagiovanna5746
    @giacomodallagiovanna5746 Місяць тому

    Hi, I personally loved your F1 RC car project, so I'd like to give you some ideas: maybe you can add some sort of plank, like actual F1 Cars, to reduce the minimum distance from the ground of car's floor to avoid skirts damaging and maybe try some TPU 3D printed skirts to improve the vacuum effect. Have a good day!

  • @CristiNeagu
    @CristiNeagu Місяць тому

    8:58 You were right the first time around. That, my friend, is a ship, not a boat. When it turns it leans to the outside. Boats lean into the curve.

  • @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio
    @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio Місяць тому

    YESSSSSSSSS HE UPLOADED THE SEQUEL OF MY FAVORITE VIDEO YESSSSSSS

  • @DanielMaddux1
    @DanielMaddux1 Місяць тому

    I would recommend using some channel mixing algorithms to increase the fan speed as a function of driver requested acceleration.
    That should allow you to use a much more powerful fan and motor combo without burning up the ESC since the fan will not always be at a high load.

  • @rueshady
    @rueshady Місяць тому

    If You ever revisit this things conside getting a flexible material like Silicon Door dust stoppers, can keep some of the small rocks and debree out of the fan intake, being sturdy enough to get some laps in, being flexible can help to mantain the vacum on uneven terrain. Sick video i'm suscribing dor more wacky Ideas

  • @Slikx666
    @Slikx666 Місяць тому

    That's the best road I've seen in years, it's basically potholes in Plymouth. 😂

  • @michaelcarmenaty1747
    @michaelcarmenaty1747 Місяць тому

    When I saw this the only thing I could think of was Delrin. Strong with low friction. Combined with a spring (maybe like an apex seal spring from a rotary engine) would help to keep the skirt in contact with the ground. Low friction with increased longevity.

  • @FullMetalTuna
    @FullMetalTuna Місяць тому

    @Project-Air Get some door sweeps, They're just brushes on rails for the base of doors. but they will maintain a more reliable seal without bottoming out

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers Місяць тому

    Love this project

  • @jasonh8470
    @jasonh8470 Місяць тому

    I would add some aluminum or fiberglass screening on top of the mesh which will prevent rocks or foam from bring sucked into the fan. Great first test. Looking forward to next test run.

  • @starbomber
    @starbomber 15 днів тому

    9:31 that's gotta be one of the smoothest add transitions I've ever seen :lmao:
    Edit: Also, I'm just thinking back to the Chaparrel 2J, a car by I think the same engineer (?) as that F1 car, and the skirt was linked to the suspension on that car, so whenever the car cornered the skirt actually moved (but that's *probably* too mechanically complex for a small RC car like this)

  • @soviut303
    @soviut303 Місяць тому +1

    You should test this in a gym or any place with polished concrete. Additionally, the skirt could probably be made out of overlapping flexible "tongues" that angle backwards and can bend when pressed down. Combat robots often use this as a flexible wheel system that's difficult to damage.

  • @adamsmith7885
    @adamsmith7885 Місяць тому

    as another user said: you need the suspension. also, try to make a skirt of many independent springs that are airproof.

  • @ZoeyR86
    @ZoeyR86 Місяць тому

    flip the fan to the front and blow air up, maybe ground effect + thrust will help even it out

  • @karlnowakowski7866
    @karlnowakowski7866 Місяць тому

    Just a thought, have you considered multiple concentric seals. The pressure differential will reduce between each seal and result in an overall better and more robust seal.

  • @DarkestVampire92
    @DarkestVampire92 Місяць тому

    A softer skirt, like one printed from TPU or made of rubber, might help. Something that can take the impact and deform to the shape of the road, rather than bouncing the car off the wheels.
    Also, i beg of you, if you're already going down this path, consider adding a second set of steering wheels at the front like the famous Tyrell P34 :P It might genuinely help with cornering.

  • @tymoteuszkazubski2755
    @tymoteuszkazubski2755 Місяць тому

    IIRC static pressure fans tend to have wider blades that cover more of the opening.

  • @josephreber525
    @josephreber525 Місяць тому

    Well Done 👍👍👍

  • @edutaimentcartoys
    @edutaimentcartoys Місяць тому

    wow, super rc f1 car ...

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino
    @BrunodeSouzaLino Місяць тому

    You should take a look a the Chaparrall 2J, which was the first fan car. Jim Hall has a sort of interview/video where he showcases all the cars he designed and has extra info on the 2J and how it works.