Remove and replace immediately with new ones. Mosaics are material ways of expression. Let God judge Rupnik but it's the Church's responsibility to help all those abused recover their peace of mind and soul. God, help father Rupnik to heal his soul.
This is more than removing the artwork of a bad person. Please search the article "Alleged victims of Father Marko Rupnik: His art cannot be separated from abuse claims" by OSV News. His abuse is baked into his art. I understand that most news agencies won't detail the abuse out of respect to the victims, but what that inadvertently has done is obscure how perverse his art is. He's not just a pervert who makes art, he's a pervert that uses his art to express his perverseness.
I have seen some of Rupnik's art online, if you look carefully at some of the strangely placed symbols, items and contortions of the parts of the figures, they are all demonic pointing towards sexual depravity. See for example his art on the Annunciation. I find it hard to believe that people high up in the church can't see the blindingly obvious. Practicing our faith gives us perception, so I don't understand the need to spend years discerning whether his art is appropriate. Without knowing about Rupnik's victims, it can be seen that much of his art is self evidently demonic.
Yes i agree. I was in Lourdes last year and didn't know anything about Rupnik or that he had made these but I felt sick looking at them. I couldn't work it out why I felt so disturbed. The black eyes were demonic. The irregular proportions. Ick. How could anyone find these beautiful?
@@hannahdavia8791yeah since the first time I saw his art it felt dirty and impure, now I know why. It’s the devil work his supposed art is now in major Catholic shrines.
The local bishop wanted to remove them and still gives good reasons why they should be removed, but he put things on pause after Pope Francis talked with him.
If he is guilty, then they should go because they would be a seen as an icon of abuse and a turning away from victims from the Church who should be their mother. Even though their depiction is of holy things, a cold response to the victims from the Church and favoring art that came from an evil man over them is a wrong direction. We have already seen too many instances of poor response to abuses in the past. Plenty of better artists to use anyway.
I remember my mother coming home from Church and she offered me one, sorry English is not my language, but a little paper with one of his designs (I didn’t know it was from him , just recognizing it now while watching some of the news with his artwork), and first I thanked my mother, she knew I always like when she brings me a paper, a pray from the church etc. but then, it never had happened to me with any other, I felt so perturbed by the image that I said my mother, I am so sorry, I hope it’s not a sin, but I cannot have this image with me, it’s morbid, confliting with my faith. I guess my heart was right. I hope his art is also taken away here from Fatima, Portugal. Evil is trying to disrupt fatiga everywhere and contaminate those who go to Holy Places. May God protects us 🙏
Ahh então por isso que alguma "arte" em Fátima é muito esquisita...a Capela da Adoração é estranhissima, parece um hospital, Jesus está dentro de um... quadrado!! Fiquei muito indignada com aquela cena, nem uma imagem de Nossa Senhora, nem um anjo, nem um santo...meu Deus! E o crucifixo lá fora? Um monte de ferro fundido que não parece coisa nenhuma, é necessário estar atento para se perceber que é um crucifixo.... Misericórdia Senhor, até num lugar de peregrinação...
What is there to think about? Discern? Just remove it. It is a stain and the ugliest art to be displayed in the most beautiful churches in the Catholic Church. Our artwork is priceless made by the masters of art in the world. Please remove it. 🙏
The fact that these representations have not yet been destroyed is proof of the tone deaf attitude and modernist/worldly influences that cloud the leadership who should resign.
It is quite easy to decide. 1) The mosaics must be immediately hidden and covered. 2) They should be covered with sacred reproductions such as Eastern icones, of Theotokos, with our Lady of Guadalupe and so on. 3) In the meantime the Bishop will think carefully what to do later.
@@vincentmancini6279 “Logical” for those with spiritual autism. If we are serious about the Church breathing with both lungs (EAST and WEST), then we should take a page from the mystical tradition of iconographers, who expect art glorifying God to be by prayerful persons. Needless to say, moral monsters do not qualify. The next age of faith, thd next spiritual renaissance will produce art and music less worldly than what we have allowed to creep into God’s house. The reign of ugly is coming to an end.
Yes! Maybe remove the mosaics and then hire a trustworthy, God-fearing artist to put up new ones with a theme of healing and about how the Immaculate Conception does not condone such abuse! But the Church would really have to live up to this message of not standing for abuse or the mosaics would be really hypocritical and would have the opposite effect.
Yes please get rid of the awful kitsch mosaics which are not sensitive to the old buildings. Lourdes was beautiful when I visited in 2000. Now it looks cheap.
Ha! Even kitsch is more beautiful than this hideous perversion. His Pieta looks more like necrophilia than a most pure Mother mourning her only child slain for our sins.
Employ modern young catholic artists to create the new world of holy visuals- give a shout many would come and create voluntary 💖🙏great opportunity to renew and remove old 👍
I remember that style of artwork since I was in a catholic high school in 1962 to 1967. It was a very common schlock style. It was everywhere in the textbooks and on posters. I was an art major at that time.
It’s not a hard decision to make. It’s whether you do or you don’t want the art there at the shrine, and to decide whose side you are on. A fact is a fact and no other. God would not let evil in, so we must follow what God would want for his children.
Very illustrative of the power of sin... if sin overtakes a heart and the sinner is driven to such evil, even the most beautiful things they created in this life, even devotions to the Divine to bring peace, are infected and become a weapon of scourge for the devil, the very one who they were supposed to repel. Now those who look upon beauty are stricken.
I do not wish to trivialise the experiences of those traumatised by sexual abuse. But, it is worth considering that many works of art we cherish today were made by very flawed people. Do we know the morals of the people who built the churches of Christendom?
It's not just his morals, it's the fact that the abuse occurred during the making of the art work. Women who worked on the mosaics would be touched and groped while they were working on. He also used the faces of some of his victims in the murals. And furthermore he said he did this because he believed his art was an expression of his sexuality.
Riiiiiggghhhttt ok. Because great artists abused nuns while "creating art" and then illicitly "absolved" them of their alleged sins....which he coerced them into committing in the first place. Stop with the false equivalency and find something else to help you sleep at night
@junicornplays980 at this point in history, after the Boston scandal in 2002, McCarrick in 2018, Pennsylvania grand jury, and numerous stories before and since....to blow off reports of abuse of minors and subordinates as "we are all sinners" and "no one is perfect" is inexcusable. It's not like there isn't a box sitting on a desk at home or office, or an even smaller box that fits in the palm of one's hand, by which persons couldn't do some research before commenting here. The fact that they commented here alone tells us they do in fact have access to this means of research. Time to get heads out of the sand and do some research instead of making excuses for perps.
@@brandywineblue You don't have to tell me twice, how much blood and stolen gold of my Black and Indigenous ancestors is built into churches? Not to mention stolen land? Tear everything down then and let's start anew.
Despite all the scandalous behaviors, people are insisting on all of us acknowledging all these "church officials" as "valid shepherds". Why are the same people complaining about them? What are you expecting? Am completely baffled. That's what they are and have never hidden it. You accept them as such and then complain? STRANGE! They are your elected officials. You are supposed to respect and obey. Isn't that how it's supposed to work.
The people who asks the mosaics be removed should raise the necessary funds to replace the mosaics.. surely you cannot remove the mosaics and keep the walls blank.
Why not? Y'all had no problem for the last 50 plus years whitewashing incredible frescoes on the walls of churches built by the sweat and "widow's mites" of the faithful the world over
very sad for those violated. Almost like the devious spirit of Rasputin has reemerged. Sexuality is very dangerous and destructive when it's misguided and misappropriated, but literally life enhancing when guided by God's Will. I hope this priest seeks proper Repentance, Forgiveness and Healing. After all, his sins, while quite heinous, are typically human and are Forgivable and eventually Redeemable in Our Lord. With great freedom and power comes great Responsibility.
I think that the art and the past of Fr. Rupnik are two different issues. I looked at the pictures and didn't find much wrong with them but then I don't hate all modern art.
As a strong catholic believer I think that’s a total wrong decision. It outlines how moralistic and ideological is becoming the Catholic religion. Gods is so mighty and free as S. Thomas Aquinas has explained that gives his talent to all human beings even if they are not believers or sinners. Do you think Michelangelo, Raffaello, Leonardo, Tiziano were all good Christians?
I understand the sensibilities but show me an holy artwork whose creator is not a sinner. We should be able to make distinction Father Rupnik is not his icons. And if those have been consecrated to the Lord they should stay
Please look into how the artwork was created and how blasphemy and illicit sex were baked into the artwork. You can’t separate the abuse from the artwork.
Find a different way to get to sleep at night instead of making these hideous images and even uglier abuse of women equivalent to any "sin committed by the great masters of real church art.
Please let the Mosaic be there in Lourdes, can't you see how the devil is working in this situation as he wants to destroy Lourdes which is holy ground and many pilgrims are going there healing. Let investigation be done and punish the person involved but think wisely before making a decision. God bless 🙏
No, as much as I think with honour about our lady of lourdes, his actions are a disgrace, if not, YOUR COMMENT would be a reason for me to go to other places like la sallete or the miraculous medal shrine in paris if it wasn't for our lady, I visited aparecida(in Brazil) last year because of our lady, but the removal of the mosaics there linked with rupnik would be an great improvement
Michelangelo was a bu@@erer. There are many Renaissance sculptures and paintings revered today that were from the imaginations of some pretty deviant people. There is a very famous religious statue of a saint in celestial induced orgasm, that art historians just champion as the finest work of the age. This is what happens when you allow artists to recreate described scripture events with their own imaginations...even if the artist is clergy. One reason likely for Mosaic Law to forbid the practice for Israel...because they had seen the effect in cosmopolitan Egypt.
Has this priest been found guilty, or just been accused? His works seem primitive, not satanic.
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Is he guilty? Did he admit? Does he lie? Is this just? Is this mercy? Is God a just God? Does hierarchy permit predators in their rankings? Will God not judge us?
Rupnik was excommunicated but Pope Francis lifted the excommunication. The Jesuits kicked him out of the Order on the basis of clear evidence but he got faculties in Slovenia without the Vatican objecting despite safe environment protocols that apply to vulnerable adults. In fact, after Rupnik’s excommunication was lifted Pope Francis had him give a Lenten retreat for himself and other clerics in Rome. An official Vatican communications department publicly argues against removal of Rupnik’s art. Pope Francis has yet to repudiate that position.
I don't believe this comment section is happening. Those mosaics are still a product of faith and love for God, don't You know how much if all Christian art throughout history was made by perverse people and yet we regard it most valuable nowadays? Those icons here don't depict anything ungodly, rather they're beautuful addition to the wall!
i think the style is so distinctively individual that it is hard to distance it from the man who created it. This is very different to mosaics from the early Christian or medieval period, which are largely anonymous.
@@davidcope5736 The world is too defensive. One should focus more on how the heart of living God feels about it than on how people perceive it. (Seek first the Kingdom of God and the rest shall be given to You.)
His art is linked with his abuse. He used some of his victims as models for the mosaics and would grope and fondle the women as the worked on the mosaics. He fondled a nun while doing a liturgy. He told a nun that he kisses her with the same kiss as he kisses the altar. He wanted a nun to recruit another nun for a threesome so they could represent the Trinity.
Who is without sin? Let the investigation be done first but no matter what the Mosaic should not be remove as there are no abuse mosaic. We human always judge others as if we are without sins.
We need to learn focus on the real issue. Clean up the bad clergies and stop catering towards people's emotions. There is nothing objectively wrong with the beautiful artwork on the church. Stopping funding the cover ups!
If you remove all works of art whose artist was of mean character you must remove the works of Louis David, who was a evil denuncianter in the French revolution and a hypocrite about the Thermidor 9th. In Italy in past have been artists of bad life, nobody destroys their works, for they are great art.Our time has the highest value of Christianity forgotten: All men and women are sinners and need forgiveness.
It's not just his character, it's the fact that the abuse occurred during the making of the art work. Women who worked on the mosaics would be touched and groped while they were working on it. He also used the faces of some of his victims in the murals. His abuse and the art are linked.
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Remove and replace immediately with new ones. Mosaics are material ways of expression. Let God judge Rupnik but it's the Church's responsibility to help all those abused recover their peace of mind and soul. God, help father Rupnik to heal his soul.
Ni t immediate my ask.is this time, no more flying tadpoles. Get a real artist, and let them be devout.
Get rid of the mosaics
They honestly should not have been put on there anyway. Very out of place with the architecture of the basilica. So take them away on both accounts.
Those mosaics should have been REMOVED a long time ago, Rupniks mosaics are creepy with those dark soul less "eyes".
Yeah the eyes are so weird
The woman he coerced was a nun, and there were many. Rupnik’s accursed hideous works must be removed.
This is more than removing the artwork of a bad person. Please search the article "Alleged victims of Father Marko Rupnik: His art cannot be separated from abuse claims" by OSV News. His abuse is baked into his art. I understand that most news agencies won't detail the abuse out of respect to the victims, but what that inadvertently has done is obscure how perverse his art is. He's not just a pervert who makes art, he's a pervert that uses his art to express his perverseness.
I have seen some of Rupnik's art online, if you look carefully at some of the strangely placed symbols, items and contortions of the parts of the figures, they are all demonic pointing towards sexual depravity. See for example his art on the Annunciation. I find it hard to believe that people high up in the church can't see the blindingly obvious. Practicing our faith gives us perception, so I don't understand the need to spend years discerning whether his art is appropriate. Without knowing about Rupnik's victims, it can be seen that much of his art is self evidently demonic.
Yes i agree. I was in Lourdes last year and didn't know anything about Rupnik or that he had made these but I felt sick looking at them. I couldn't work it out why I felt so disturbed. The black eyes were demonic. The irregular proportions. Ick. How could anyone find these beautiful?
They give me the creeps, they're ugly
@@hannahdavia8791yeah since the first time I saw his art it felt dirty and impure, now I know why. It’s the devil work his supposed art is now in major Catholic shrines.
His “art” makes me want to vomit. They should not hesitate in removing it now that it has been made known what lies behind his “art”.
Ah, an expert on art! Thank you
They can comission far better and more beautiful works of art.
Imagine Padre Pio raging in heaven seeing that his shrine has been covered with this perv's handiwork 😢
Replace the mosaics with something more beautiful and traditional
Remove Rupnik! His so-called art is horrible in any case.
Get rid of them as soon as possible.
The mosaics should be removed immediately. Who is responsible for dragging their feet on this decision?
Is it truth?
@@MarieDorval-jf1yh Who is responsible for authorizingthose ungodly mosaics in the first place??????
@@maryrotz2636that's so sad
The local bishop wanted to remove them and still gives good reasons why they should be removed, but he put things on pause after Pope Francis talked with him.
Let God judge Fr Rupnik
If he is guilty, then they should go because they would be a seen as an icon of abuse and a turning away from victims from the Church who should be their mother. Even though their depiction is of holy things, a cold response to the victims from the Church and favoring art that came from an evil man over them is a wrong direction. We have already seen too many instances of poor response to abuses in the past. Plenty of better artists to use anyway.
@@NorthCountry84 He IS guilty. He has been “dismissed” from the Jesuits, his former order.
I remember my mother coming home from Church and she offered me one, sorry English is not my language, but a little paper with one of his designs (I didn’t know it was from him , just recognizing it now while watching some of the news with his artwork), and first I thanked my mother, she knew I always like when she brings me a paper, a pray from the church etc. but then, it never had happened to me with any other, I felt so perturbed by the image that I said my mother, I am so sorry, I hope it’s not a sin, but I cannot have this image with me, it’s morbid, confliting with my faith. I guess my heart was right. I hope his art is also taken away here from Fatima, Portugal. Evil is trying to disrupt fatiga everywhere and contaminate those who go to Holy Places. May God protects us 🙏
Ahh então por isso que alguma "arte" em Fátima é muito esquisita...a Capela da Adoração é estranhissima, parece um hospital, Jesus está dentro de um... quadrado!! Fiquei muito indignada com aquela cena, nem uma imagem de Nossa Senhora, nem um anjo, nem um santo...meu Deus! E o crucifixo lá fora? Um monte de ferro fundido que não parece coisa nenhuma, é necessário estar atento para se perceber que é um crucifixo.... Misericórdia Senhor, até num lugar de peregrinação...
So, Your Eminence, you've heard from the public, you've heard from the victims, what else do you need? Just remove those ugly paintings, period!
It is only SOME of the public not all of the public.
How could they put it in there in the first place!? It is really too much.
What is there to think about? Discern? Just remove it. It is a stain and the ugliest art to be displayed in the most beautiful churches in the Catholic Church. Our artwork is priceless made by the masters of art in the world. Please remove it. 🙏
The fact that these representations have not yet been destroyed is proof of the tone deaf attitude and modernist/worldly influences that cloud the leadership who should resign.
Disgusting artwork. I always felt that his mosaics including the poster for the year of mercy 2016 are disgusting!
another art critic!
@vincentmancini6279 another enabler of perverts!
@@user-yq3co2qs6b It is mocked and called The Three Eyed Mercy Monster by seminarians. It is the epitome of the Reign of Ugly.
It is quite easy to decide.
1) The mosaics must be immediately hidden and covered.
2) They should be covered with sacred reproductions such as Eastern icones, of Theotokos, with our Lady of Guadalupe and so on.
3) In the meantime the Bishop will think carefully what to do later.
What would Jesus do? What would Padre Pio do? What would the Church Fathers do?
Please promptly decide to remove the “artistic” works of this person. Delay is cowardice.
Why not simply cover them until some future date, when they might be seen again without the pain caused today.
There is a dangers of one Fr Rupnik iconography, that is fused of eyes … , may be covering is for short term solution, but idk for future.
At last a logical statement. Thank you
Good idea .
@@vincentmancini6279 It is not logical, Fr Rupnik's "art" deliberately avoids proportions and harmony. It doesn't belong in a Church
@@vincentmancini6279 “Logical” for those with spiritual autism. If we are serious about the Church breathing with both lungs (EAST and WEST), then we should take a page from the mystical tradition of iconographers, who expect art glorifying God to be by prayerful persons. Needless to say, moral monsters do not qualify. The next age of faith, thd next spiritual renaissance will produce art and music less worldly than what we have allowed to creep into God’s house. The reign of ugly is coming to an end.
Yes! Maybe remove the mosaics and then hire a trustworthy, God-fearing artist to put up new ones with a theme of healing and about how the Immaculate Conception does not condone such abuse! But the Church would really have to live up to this message of not standing for abuse or the mosaics would be really hypocritical and would have the opposite effect.
DO IT NOW!!! GET RID OF these Heellish-based pictures!!!!! What is so difficult about that? Be afraid of GOD'S wrath, not mans displeasure.
Yes please get rid of the awful kitsch mosaics which are not sensitive to the old buildings. Lourdes was beautiful when I visited in 2000. Now it looks cheap.
Ha! Even kitsch is more beautiful than this hideous perversion. His Pieta looks more like necrophilia than a most pure Mother mourning her only child slain for our sins.
Employ modern young catholic artists to create the new world of holy visuals- give a shout many would come and create voluntary 💖🙏great opportunity to renew and remove old 👍
Why are they contemplating on this! This absolutely mad!!
Perfect example of how the ripples of our sins affects the Body of Christ
More discernment is not necessary. It is not a difficult decision to make. Mathew 13:9-16 “…Let him who eyes see….”
He’s made a laughing stock of Holy and sacred sites. .. listen to The Real church. The faithful.
Yes! Do it, Lourdes!
I remember that style of artwork since I was in a catholic high school in 1962 to 1967. It was a very common schlock style. It was everywhere in the textbooks and on posters. I was an art major at that time.
YES PLEASE.
It’s not a hard decision to make. It’s whether you do or you don’t want the art there at the shrine, and to decide whose side you are on. A fact is a fact and no other. God would not let evil in, so we must follow what God would want for his children.
Very illustrative of the power of sin... if sin overtakes a heart and the sinner is driven to such evil, even the most beautiful things they created in this life, even devotions to the Divine to bring peace, are infected and become a weapon of scourge for the devil, the very one who they were supposed to repel. Now those who look upon beauty are stricken.
Bravo 👏🏻
I do not wish to trivialise the experiences of those traumatised by sexual abuse. But, it is worth considering that many works of art we cherish today were made by very flawed people. Do we know the morals of the people who built the churches of Christendom?
It's not just his morals, it's the fact that the abuse occurred during the making of the art work. Women who worked on the mosaics would be touched and groped while they were working on. He also used the faces of some of his victims in the murals. And furthermore he said he did this because he believed his art was an expression of his sexuality.
Riiiiiggghhhttt ok. Because great artists abused nuns while "creating art" and then illicitly "absolved" them of their alleged sins....which he coerced them into committing in the first place. Stop with the false equivalency and find something else to help you sleep at night
@@brandywineblue Let's be charitable. It's more likely that the commenter did not know about the extent of the abuse. It was not widely reported.
@junicornplays980 at this point in history, after the Boston scandal in 2002, McCarrick in 2018, Pennsylvania grand jury, and numerous stories before and since....to blow off reports of abuse of minors and subordinates as "we are all sinners" and "no one is perfect" is inexcusable. It's not like there isn't a box sitting on a desk at home or office, or an even smaller box that fits in the palm of one's hand, by which persons couldn't do some research before commenting here. The fact that they commented here alone tells us they do in fact have access to this means of research. Time to get heads out of the sand and do some research instead of making excuses for perps.
@@brandywineblue You don't have to tell me twice, how much blood and stolen gold of my Black and Indigenous ancestors is built into churches? Not to mention stolen land? Tear everything down then and let's start anew.
What more discernment needs to be taken?
Yes you overnight remove mosaic you covered it
WHY, WHY, WHY is more "discernment" needed?
what more is there to discern
Better late than never
Despite all the scandalous behaviors, people are insisting on all of us acknowledging all these "church officials" as "valid shepherds". Why are the same people complaining about them? What are you expecting? Am completely baffled. That's what they are and have never hidden it. You accept them as such and then complain? STRANGE! They are your elected officials. You are supposed to respect and obey. Isn't that how it's supposed to work.
The Inquisition should have never been abolished.
It wasn't, lol
@@Awakeningspirit20 yes, it was. Where is the most famous of them all?
Good decision. God bless ❤❤❤
The people who asks the mosaics be removed should raise the necessary funds to replace the mosaics.. surely you cannot remove the mosaics and keep the walls blank.
Keep the walls blank!
@@barbaralewis6766 no way.
Why not? Y'all had no problem for the last 50 plus years whitewashing incredible frescoes on the walls of churches built by the sweat and "widow's mites" of the faithful the world over
very sad for those violated. Almost like the devious spirit of Rasputin has reemerged. Sexuality is very dangerous and destructive when it's misguided and misappropriated, but literally life enhancing when guided by God's Will. I hope this priest seeks proper Repentance, Forgiveness and Healing. After all, his sins, while quite heinous, are typically human and are Forgivable and eventually Redeemable in Our Lord. With great freedom and power comes great Responsibility.
How many of our most loved works of religious art are the products of sinners. All of them. Grow up.
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I think that the art and the past of Fr. Rupnik are two different issues. I looked at the pictures and didn't find much wrong with them but then I don't hate all modern art.
Good.
Accused? And proved?
But the mosaics are ugly..
Yes. And proved.
As a strong catholic believer I think that’s a total wrong decision. It outlines how moralistic and ideological is becoming the Catholic religion. Gods is so mighty and free as S. Thomas Aquinas has explained that gives his talent to all human beings even if they are not believers or sinners. Do you think Michelangelo, Raffaello, Leonardo, Tiziano were all good Christians?
I understand the sensibilities but show me an holy artwork whose creator is not a sinner. We should be able to make distinction Father Rupnik is not his icons. And if those have been consecrated to the Lord they should stay
Please look into how the artwork was created and how blasphemy and illicit sex were baked into the artwork. You can’t separate the abuse from the artwork.
@@amysill3815 like what?
Find a different way to get to sleep at night instead of making these hideous images and even uglier abuse of women equivalent to any "sin committed by the great masters of real church art.
Please let the Mosaic be there in Lourdes, can't you see how the devil is working in this situation as he wants to destroy Lourdes which is holy ground and many pilgrims are going there healing. Let investigation be done and punish the person involved but think wisely before making a decision. God bless 🙏
The mosaics are the devil's works. At least cover them over as replacements are found.
No, as much as I think with honour about our lady of lourdes, his actions are a disgrace, if not, YOUR COMMENT would be a reason for me to go to other places like la sallete or the miraculous medal shrine in paris if it wasn't for our lady, I visited aparecida(in Brazil) last year because of our lady, but the removal of the mosaics there linked with rupnik would be an great improvement
Michelangelo was a bu@@erer. There are many Renaissance sculptures and paintings revered today that were from the imaginations of some pretty deviant people. There is a very famous religious statue of a saint in celestial induced orgasm, that art historians just champion as the finest work of the age.
This is what happens when you allow artists to recreate described scripture events with their own imaginations...even if the artist is clergy. One reason likely for Mosaic Law to forbid the practice for Israel...because they had seen the effect in cosmopolitan Egypt.
His "artwork" DESECRATED Our Lady's shrine. Stop covering up for an abuser!!!
Has this priest been found guilty, or just been accused? His works seem primitive, not satanic.
Is he guilty? Did he admit? Does he lie? Is this just? Is this mercy? Is God a just God? Does hierarchy permit predators in their rankings? Will God not judge us?
Rupnik was excommunicated but Pope Francis lifted the excommunication. The Jesuits kicked him out of the Order on the basis of clear evidence but he got faculties in Slovenia without the Vatican objecting despite safe environment protocols that apply to vulnerable adults.
In fact, after Rupnik’s excommunication was lifted Pope Francis had him give a Lenten retreat for himself and other clerics in Rome. An official Vatican communications department publicly argues against removal of Rupnik’s art. Pope Francis has yet to repudiate that position.
Whose side are you on????
Accused, not convicted!
Maybe we should wait?
Remove his work. There are others who are pure of heart just as talented.
I don't believe this comment section is happening. Those mosaics are still a product of faith and love for God, don't You know how much if all Christian art throughout history was made by perverse people and yet we regard it most valuable nowadays? Those icons here don't depict anything ungodly, rather they're beautuful addition to the wall!
i think the style is so distinctively individual that it is hard to distance it from the man who created it. This is very different to mosaics from the early Christian or medieval period, which are largely anonymous.
@@davidcope5736 The world is too defensive. One should focus more on how the heart of living God feels about it than on how people perceive it. (Seek first the Kingdom of God and the rest shall be given to You.)
His art is linked with his abuse. He used some of his victims as models for the mosaics and would grope and fondle the women as the worked on the mosaics. He fondled a nun while doing a liturgy. He told a nun that he kisses her with the same kiss as he kisses the altar. He wanted a nun to recruit another nun for a threesome so they could represent the Trinity.
Just don't replace them with ugly modern art!
Remove his work. And he should be removed as a priest. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing
Based 🫡🇻🇦
Accusation is not necessarily y found guilty. Many have unjustly and digámoslo been acuses. May not be the case. Time will tell.
He's been expelled from the Jesuits. That says a lot.
Who is without sin? Let the investigation be done first but no matter what the Mosaic should not be remove as there are no abuse mosaic. We human always judge others as if we are without sins.
Correct, but it often falls under people eyes that to judge others nevertheless.
Let your boyfriend fight his own battles. Stop covering up for him
Rupnik’s art is ugly and creepy.
As God has forgiven so should we forgive Rufnik. It is in Gods hands when he will be judged by the Almighty at the end. LEAVE THE MOSAICS.
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Pope Frank put a criminal back in the church
We need to learn focus on the real issue. Clean up the bad clergies and stop catering towards people's emotions. There is nothing objectively wrong with the beautiful artwork on the church. Stopping funding the cover ups!
All his art is mediocre and in context needs to go.
If you remove all works of art whose artist was of mean character you must remove the works of Louis David, who was a evil denuncianter in the French revolution and a hypocrite about the Thermidor 9th. In Italy in past have been artists of bad life, nobody destroys their works, for they are great art.Our time has the highest value of Christianity forgotten: All men and women are sinners and need forgiveness.
It's not just his character, it's the fact that the abuse occurred during the making of the art work. Women who worked on the mosaics would be touched and groped while they were working on it. He also used the faces of some of his victims in the murals. His abuse and the art are linked.
Stop covering up for this abuser who violated his vows before God and forced his victims to do the same, and destroyed their faith in the process.