Been saying it for years, most people got into the game from the anime and everyone has a favourite era basing the card game tiers off that would be the perfect way to go about it
Honestly formats IS the key to making the game better AND more profitable for Konami. They just make secret packs for those formats with their exclusive legal cards and staples. Like some people may think modern is a combo fest, others might think Goat, reaper and honestly everything before 5Ds is just the ape get luckier and draw the staples game. Yugioh has changed so much over the years and has so many vastly different eras giving people the choice is just a win win for everyone. Just tune the card list and make "new cards" for pre errata versions. Also even as a based Lab enjoyer this event blows
100% agree. Yu-Gi-Oh has been my favorite card game for many years. Dark Magician has always been my favorite deck, but I just don't enjoy playing with all these "stop your opponent from doing anything" cards. Formats sound like a great idea.
@@shadowX2121 pretty sure that was a ygo players cant read meme but regardless to be fair ygo has the most absolutely dogshit tier formatting among virtually every popular card game i can think of Ironically that was also a less of a problem when the most complicated effect read "if this is sent from field to the gy add a
for me the issue is that they keep on having more cards that negate everything without letting the opponent to play. Which makes it boring for some to face/play against
Exactly, with my heros deck I can lock someone out of graveyard effects and monster effects while also popping anything they set. Only by having cards like thunderstorm or evenly matched will they actually have a chance.
I actually think that this problem is kind of being adressed. Most new archetypes dont rely on generic ED omni Negates or dont even put up negates themselfes. Tearlament was designed as an archetype that doesnt negate. Purrely doesmt habe a single Negate, neither does Rescue Ace which is going to be top tier soon.
Yeah and the decks are always the same 5 meta decks so it gets boring because after the first 2 cards you already know how the game will play out... decks arent individual anymore
Literally incorrect. Tear has 2-3 (only one of which is an omni) negates usually. Branded has 0. Kashtira has no negates. Lab is the only deck running a lot of main deck negates like solemn but even Lab has different builds with little to no negates. Modern yugioh is a mess. Negates are not the problem.
@@MeisterdiebKidthis is not a modern yugioh problem. Nor is it even solely a yugioh problem. Almost all card games eventually revolve around a central group of good decks. Goat is literally named after goat control. TOSS is named after four different decks.
5:40 yugioh is complex enough that it feels like a younger audience just cant get into it, but they are the people with the most amount if time to play, most older people dont have time to keep playing to keep up with these crazy metas
Personally I think new players should get in to speed duels first so they know the base game then they can transition in to normal game because syncro,xyz and links aren’t complicated and pendulum are pretty much dying/dead but even then they aren’t as complicated either
The game is meant to be simple, fun and interactive, not complex nor make your quit after one move. Improve the archetypes yes but allow everyone to understand what they're playing with and against. This what I believe the game should be.
@Honest_Mids_Masher Yes, fair point, but it has become overbearing. There is simply no moderation nor discretion. Play what you wish, but don't play an archetype that renders your opponent unable to enjoy the competitiveness of both your deck and their own.
@Honest_Mids_Masher Explanation, hmm, hand traps (I understand and am supportive of quick-play/quick effects), but being able to negate effects with no consequence is annoying to have a competitive game is not about OTK or FTK (unless your put in a last gasp situation and need to pull the right card to combo). IMO, yugioh is my favourite retro anime/game, and improving it with all these new things is great, but the creators are running out of ways to make them enjoyable. Ingenuity has to match up with enjoyment, not one over the other. Simple.
I completely agree that we should have different formats for not only master duel but also tournaments in general. A couple other card games have formats which in my opinion keeps it interesting. Plus it would also be fun to see how they balance it all out. I personally play Buster Blader and have since I was very young and now I have to try and run meta cards to keep up which is a little rough. The modern way of the game is fun but I want to see more variety which multiple formats would give us.
I forgot to put it in the initial comment but much love to you Rhyme and keep it up. Also thank you for being a bigger voice for all of the fans of the game
I feel like they've tried that with Speed Duels and Rush Duels and such but people go back to normal yugioh and that's tough (Especially since the goal at the end is "how do we get people to buy the New Releases" what, you gonna start releasing New Time Wizard Legal cards or something?)
Era Mode: playing in the era of DM, GX, 5Ds, etc and the decks are limited to that era until you complete the era, after that you can just run any deck you want Story Mode : make a new story mode Hall of Kings : basically facing enhanced versions of the official characters, like Yugi with Link, Xyz and newer cards
The problem with an era mode the way you described it is that the Ani.e cards dont align with the cards that got printed and were META in the card game.
It’s crazy, Rhyme literally verbalized my thoughts as a lax YuGiOh fan who recently tried to come back. Pokémon showdown works so well because cause you can switch to whichever meta you want and everyone is happy
Pokemon showdown is not official. it's rankings and "meta" are not reflective of the actual pokemon games or their official rulesets. It's a cancer upon the pokemon community imo, full of toxic people and arbitrary banlists in a simulator that was fan made and not made by the actual pokemon company and therefore the simulation environment is not a 1-1 copy of official pokemon battles and mechanics. Pokemon Showdown is just an approximation bootleg version of the real thing Meta in all games in all formats in all mediums is overrated
I would love the idea of multiple formats in Yu-Gi-Oh, that way everyone can play whatever they want without the meta ruining the fun. Like, I like what Sam does with the F Tier videos, so a format where you can play different tier decks sounds fun. Or a format where you play character based decks. That'd be a lot of fun playing a Kaiba deck against a Yugi deck. You know, just some ideas for different formats
I think one of the things we can really use is simplified card effect listing like the OCG where they have bold dots for each effect there is no reason why we don't have this in master duel like for example list like for Barrone list each effect with the bold dots like Rhongo so if it uses it's effect it's easier to tell like I think the highlights on the effect is good but It doesn't work a lot of cards especially cards in grave.
Just like any other game has multiple modes to stave off staleness, more game modes will help. It's just important that they pay attention to the numbers and keep the ones that are popular while dropping the ones that aren't played. It'll be a process but a needed one. Eventually they could even have a schedule where during each day of the week they have a mode of the day. The hard part is just making they listen 😅
I agree with the sentiment that it rough to to come from old yugioh and see the current standard, i last actually played back in 2010 and when i tried to come back in again it was like watching a turn 0 MTG deck from legacy fromat. I guess i prefer modes where both people can play.
I’m exactly the type of player you are talking about with respects to coming back. For instance this event I made a Raviel deck as a bit of fun, 2 turns in, I want to quit the duel. Every time. There should be generation duels. Choose a era and duel in them. I feel like that would give people a lot more choice and chance of not going against the same ‘meta’ decks. Love the vids ❤
I think they would have a separate banlist for each mode of play but I think progession series or sealed showdown where you pay whatever gold to play and you pull cards and make a deck would be awesome
few months ago tried master duel and dropped it. love the game but its way too sweaty. even on casual it feels like ranked sometimes with how youre not allowed to play on your own turn lol
The big hurdle with multiple formats in Master Duel would be splitting the player base, which could lead to longer queue times. I think rotating game modes of different formats would be the best for Konami and the players as we get variety and they get player surges during events which can lead to more people playing modern.
I’d rather wait a little longer a day to play a mode that I KNOW I’ll have fun in than to wait weeks for that mode to come back. Besides the player base is already split. We love the game we just don’t love what they’re doing with the game.
As someone that played yugioh during the dm era and stopped until recently, it was extremely hard to get back into it even though i still kept up with the show, seeing tear and hearing about kash im just glad i had friends to walk me through this crazy ride. Side tangent been a long time mtg player and I'd love for master duel to have old school yugioh as a format or do something like modern in mtg
I’m definitely getting tired of running into Labrynth over and over, but I’m having fun trying out Cubics (supported by the Timelords Zaphion and Metaion). In general, having different formats would certainly help. I resent how much of my deckbuilding has to be devoted to preemptively negating things just to (maybe) get the chance to play or have Duels last longer than 1-3 turns.
I've been crushing Labryinth decks using a Danger! Dark World deck because unless I draw dead, I can just blow through all of their interruptions and then set up my board
I recently got back into Yugioh last year when I saw that it was the 25tg Anniversary. Master Duel helped bring me up to speed with the newer formats(still not perfect but I do understand the current gamestate). I do agree that different format options being available both at a locals and within Master Duel would help bring more Duel Monsters-era duelists like myself.
This is the third video I have watched talking about yugioh and the shareholder meeting. I really enjoy it, and I wish more people would say something about how they can improve the game
I think they should have a better solo mode, to where it's sort of similar to Duel Links and you get anime character's ace monsters and specific cards. That way it can eliminate some of the crafting of URs and SRs that really add up. Also ban more Tearlaments lmao
@@HyperShadow991😂 if your talking about the solo mode in master duel then I agree with you but to a certain extent the solo mode is to learn about different decks and archetypes that most players don’t know and can learn about the cpu for some reason always starts off with a great hand and these loaner decks are ass so your hand is horrible 8 times out of 10 times also you get a lot of gems which is why 98% of players haven’t complained about solo mode the solo mode in legacy of the duelist link evolutions was so much better than master duels solo mode in my opinion
I got back into yughio by buying the Endymion Structure deck while my brother got the Rokket one. It was a rough entrance but experimenting with those cards allowed me to quickly Adapt to the game again after 2 years of not playing when MD released.
I literally just started playing Yugioh MD and my first deck that I'm building is an Elemental Heros deck. I go into rank and literally almost every deck I play against is Labyrinth, Floo, Eldlich, etc... As a new player it seems like it is impossible to even play against these decks.. It is disheartening for sure but overall I'm enjoying the game and learning how to better play my deck.
Spartan!!!! Turn the tide!!!! That reason though is why I'm building trickstar burn to burn those ridiculous combo decks that make it where you can't play
As someone who played Trickstar during this event literally 80 to 90 percent of my duels were against labrynth, this event was terrible and I'm glad I got all of the gems you can get from it so I can never touch it again.
I'm so glad I'm not alone in being disappointed with this event. When I saw that they didn't even bother to limit any of the labyrinth cards like they did moye for the synchro event, I gave up on the event. I'm just getting the last couple points I need for the mate and never touching this game mode again
@@blackgallgher8747 Jerry Beans Man too. They even banned Mushroom Man #2. They seem to ban every single other monster besides fairy and fiend. What did other types do to deserve this. 😢
What's crazy is that I loved watching yugioh back in the day, dabbled at the TCG during the gx era, played duel links religiously and even played master duel religiously when it first came out but nowadays I don't think I'll ever jump headfirst back into yugioh cause of all these crazy metas that basically mean you either have to run straight counters or don't play. Still love watching yugi-tubers tho
i feel like they should be errata-ing more cards, like if a deck or card, or setup/combo is too op, it should be quickly fixed, ESPECIALLY in master duel. Reprints are expensive but killing your game cuz of dogshit omni negate metas costs more
A lot of times, I feel like they dont re-write cards because the OP effects bring in tons more sales of people trying to pull it irl and in MD. Konami makes bank off of their p2w game. More so when prices go up due to OP effects.
Rhyme nailed it. I came back to Yugioh after a long hiatus and now I don’t bother playing anything but the training stuff with decks I made that are fun to play instead of getting destroyed by top tier decks, or stalled from playing the game entirely. I still play some old school duels with my brother, but that’s really the only exciting thing about the game anymore. We just use old cards and have fun building new decks, not just using the same 3 decks everyone else uses
You can still do this with modern cards, this is competitive, a place where fun isn't as important as wining. Of course playing with your friend is gonna be infinitely more enjoyable than playing meta, because you can just choose to not play the things you find boring. Don't like hand Traps? Then we won't play handtraps. Don't like floodgates? Then we won't play floodgates. You can't do this with random people. A random guy you find in ranked may want to be in the highest rank, and as such will use the best deck to do that. You can't force him to not combo off for 5 minutes to guarantee his win just because you find it boring.
Formats definitely would help the game. Pokemon has been doing it for so long and it helps and keeps changing every few Pokemon sets. Standard is what I play but every time I take a break and go back to Pokemon, it's a whole new meta and I like that
Aye man not to much on Labyrinth, it’s basically the most “fun” trap based deck out there. Also Lady Labyrinth is right there and why I like the archetype.
Thank you I have been playing labrynth since April before the Lady labrynth update came out last week and now everyone wants to talk trash about it but they playing tearlaments and bystial 😂
I think synchros and xyz were easy to understand then came pendulum and links and I was so out of it before I had to look up how to play them. I like playing my branded buster deck. But you’re absolutely right, the deck has a lock combo which I find fun, but I’m sure my friends hate it when I play it.
100000000% agree with everything you are saying. I stopped after synchros, tried coming back with Duel Links multiple times as well as Master Duel and I get lost with all these new formats and types of cards...just too much at this point to put as much time into getting good as needed
I like your thoughts about the way it could be. Im starting to like the new format too but man the top tier stun decks that play while its my turn too everytime is so annoying. 3 minute turns from my enemy and then even playing while its my turn is so stupid😂
I loved that this event almost forced you to play Labyrinth. Konami has the option to have fun with events, instead of just worrying about how many UR’s they make the community craft. There could be generation/character events where we would use older cards- not just Dark Magician vs. Code Talkers but some GOAT events.
I take a competent labrynth player than a battle hardened dd player in this event, you will be staring a wave king Caesar or kali, once summoned and you have no outs it's game over.
I think Konami should try to promote other formats too. Especially the newest format Rush Dueling, it has the charm of being both combo-y like modern YGO as well as easy as older YGO. If I were to fix modern YGO I would completely un-nerf Pendulum and stop putting out Band-Aid fixes to problematic decks because that just makes more broken decks. Instead I'd invest in specialized support for each deck that makes it playable but not broken, like Konami did at the beginning of the Link Monster era.
I've been waiting on a discussion video like this and you're absolutely right it's not fun to play a game when you have to play the gross overly used cards index to have fun or even play
Had my first labyrinth mirror match. It literally was that think where you and your friend flail your hands trying to have one of your hands on top of the pile.
I’m a new player who arrived in maybe the first month of Master Duel, and I had to learn everything as it is, and I’ll admit, it almost drove me away. I would love formats, though, because I’m not the type to play meta decks. I want to play 5D’s-ass Inca decks, or even rituals that aren’t the new Bouillabase or whatever. I’d love to play in older formats where I won’t instantly get shut down by “oops all meta” in Bronze 4.
I think we need more general rules, like maybe every player can negate for only 3 times per turn so no matter how broken your first turn board is, the other player can still play around your negates
@@sobbles6242 I'm not sure tbh, you can play around these, you can activate your effects and cards before they destroy/banish/etc... them most of the time, but when they have 8+ negates its basically game over
@@ZeothTheHedgehog maybe... We cant be sure until we try it, but I think it will change the whole meta I'd like to try it as a separate format to see how it goes
I got into yugioh when master duel came out and have been on and off with it. My brother is 10 years older than me and when I hear him talk about old school yugioh and his old school umi deck I get so jealous. Even with the duels on your and dotos channel where you don’t use top tier decks, it makes me wish I played yugioh earlier in my life
I wanted to share, I just got into yugioh again after the gx era. It’s definitely a wall to tackle. I still don’t understand Link Summons and Tearlaments, heck I barely can follow my own blackwing deck. But I love the combo routes, watching people pop off, i mostly just enjoy the game for what it is. I’m def only one case but as someone very new to this modern age of yugioh I’m glad you’re making your voice heard and hopefully Konami adds some kind of semi restricted formats/themed formats
The thing that turns me off to the game is it's refusal to just hit the problem cards instead of hurting an archetype. I stopped playing master duel when they banned celestial, instead of verte anaconda or just errata-ing DPE in a way that restricted it to heroes
There's a lot of issues with master duel out side of the meta the biggest issue for me is they made it 10x harder than it needs to be to build decks especially when you are the type of person to spend little to no money on games so you have to scrape by with what you can I feel like if it was easier to craft cards without dismantling entire decks or breaking your bank would make the game a lot more enjoyable, like for example they could make it to where you can trade certain amounts of lower rarity material for higher rarity so you're actually able to craft cause the way it is now is completely unfair for material the fact it takes 3 unfoiled cards to craft 1 one of the same rarity is ridiculous
Bro they have to make money. Its actually astonishing how much they made the game ftp friendly. U always have enough dust to craft stapples with the battle pass and gems are not that difficult to get even past the early game stage
I'll admit, I'm one of those people. I was in the the forth grade when I first saw Yu-Gi-Oh (GX). And growing up in a country where the Yu-Gi-Oh community isn't as relatively large when I fell back in love with Yu-Gi-Oh, recently, I found so discouraging to get back to the game. I expected that it would change naturally, I'm in uni now, but this game is incredibly different. I remember my first dual on master dual was, roughly, 12 minutes of which 8 of the 12 minutes was my opponents first turn. It's so difficult to keep up with the different effects, spell, summoning methods etc
I am right now playing a Progression Series on YGO Omega because my brother does not like playing Master Duel, but we love playing YGO. I love playing Master Duel, but I ALSO think we should have formats, it is fun having to play under limitations and exciting formats Magic has and is amazing for that reason. Top tier decks will always exist, but even that is already different.
Having listened to everything you’ve said Rhyme I can’t agree more! I’m from the original yu-gi-oh era but went off it, came back for GX then it wasn’t as available in the U.K., now when I play master duel I just wanna enjoy playing goat format or with my elemental hero’s but instead it’s sit and watch someone else play for 16 minutes then not being able to do anything…. Honestly multiple formats would be great, that or at least a mode in master duel to do this, there’s no real downside just an adjustment for those who play professionally which I’m sure they’d maintain the current format too for them
I really did try to get into master duel, but I knew almost nothing about yu-gi-oh going in. And even playing against tutorial bots, I would still get my ass handed to me constantly. 5+ cards on the field with 1-4 paragraphs of effects each, such tricky wording on the card's effects (effects that "send" cards technically being different then effects that "destroy" cards - even though they both SEND the targeted card to the GY. Just one example), getting my whole field wiped because I glanced over one sentence on a card hiding in my opponents GY, 17 different ways to summon monsters, bringing out multiple boss monsters on the first turn and almost completely blocking you out from even playing the damn game... like jesus... it's so frustrating. I definitely enjoy your yu-gi-oh vids where you do oldschool duels much more then the ones for modern yu-gi-oh. I can actually keep up with the former lol.
hear me out. somewhat of a remake of duelist of the roses. that would be actually insane and help a lot of the old school players want to get back in too
Personally I feel like once Yu-Gi-Oh moved into the P2P era of games, it makes it harder to enjoy playing the game in a virtual aspect. Playing games like Tag Force or LOTD where I could grind for all the cards definitely gave me a sense of confidence and achievement. It’s when I want to test out new archetypes and I can’t is where I lose interest in Master Duel (specifically), but I still enjoy the TCG.
Bro for a CARD GAME (which is the defibition of pay 2 win) yugioh is fine, multiple free sims with ladders, both manual and automatic plus md is really f2p friendly compared to other gatchas
For what it's worth coming from a bit of a weird perspective of someone who grew up alongside it, the TCG came out when I was 5 and I begged for the first starter decks, yet at the same time didn't like OG and still don't, I personally like combo style decks and hold the uncommon opinion that Yugioh didn't really start to get good and find its footing until Synchro cards started to show up. I 100% agree that Master Duel needs more formats so that the most people can play, it's a simulation of the game, so more modes and formats and options is an undeniable good and healthy for the game. Also ban Maxx C, that card kills so much potential for deck diversity cause you always have to play Maxx C and the cards that counter Maxx C that of Ash Blossom and Called By in every deck ever. I think as far as the actual paper game I have a few ideas that might help or might not help: First, get rid of "missed timing" that is the absolute dumbest thing in the whole game and needs to be torched and ashes scattered Second, banning all FTK and Floodgate cards, it's not fun in any way, shape, or form to either be stunned out of playing the game or die by some extremely complicated FTK, sure it was funny as Hell the first time, but after that the genie is out of the lamp and it's lost all it's fun. Third Konomi needs to give new paper players some kind of official resource that teaches all the most common interactions in Yugioh as well as all the summoning mechanics. The two player starter set looks promising and appears to be a step in the right direction, but it hasn't come out yet so I can't pass any real judgement. I think that's a start and only time will tell on this one.
What Rhyme said is so true. I played yughio back in the early 2000’s and loved it. I’ve tried ranked on master duel and new format of yughio is insane. Thats why I love the videos of you playing OG GOAT format.
I have a love/hate relationship with Yu-Gi-Oh. I mainly play master duel but the topics you touched on is also my problem with it. I get tired of facing the same tired decks everytime a new meta or pack rolls around. Like I understand people are trying to get used to or try out decks but it's wild how it floods the airwaves when there's a million different decks to try out or mesh together.
my whole problem with new yugioh is the fact that people can set up like 10 different omni negates and you just don't get to play the game. I want to have a back and forth duel with someone, not be barred from playing the game because I'm not playing a meta counter.
2v2 duels/team duels would be good ( not like 3v3 team match). It would be a nice way for an experienced player to introduce yugioh to a new player, while playing alongside them. That's what i believe.
I played up until 2019 and I agree it is quite complex. Now that they are supporting old formats I am really into it and the way to fix it would be formats.
I personally have been enjoying the event getting to learn labyrinth main so I can learn how to counter it but I fully get the issue with modern yugioh I stopped playing during GX and came back like 2 months into master duel and it took so long for me to wrap my head around comboing, I personally would love a older format to play so I could get a feel for what top level felt like back when I was playing playground decks
I saw a minute long short recently of “how to play X engine” never heard of it before. But the full minute was him speaking absolutely rapid cycling through over half his deck in combos turn one and I never wanted to play modern yugioh less
I think the biggest problem that not everyone will agree with is as follows: it’s very hard to pick up it’s like trying to play call of duty 3 for the first time when everyone else knows how to play for years on end, there is no easy way to pick up the game. And yes there is a tutorial in master duel but if your trying to play IRL you either have to read a panflit or watch a bunch of UA-cam videos. The second problem is a problem overwatch is facing rn. The good decks keep getting buffs or are getting new support. A way to “fix” ( kinda ) yugioh is to ban what is needed not what is wanted, and to fix cards, for example Laval chain ( as Seerax has said ) is only broken because it can be made so easily and can be put in any deck, but if it was for only Laval monsters then it could be more fun to play with and against. This goes with basically any card that is so basically ( also like needle fiber ). Basically long story short don’t make everyone have to play one of three or four decks to be able to play the game. I think yugioh could come back if any archetype could be played and be able to have fun with. Like dark Mahican has so much support but things like Vylon doesn’t, some people won’t even know what that deck I mentioned is. Like think about it like this. The decks you have to play to win: Kash,Tear,Ishizu,Floow, Labyrinth, punk, some branded concoctions, Runick, or sword soul. You shouldn’t have to play these decks to enjoy yugioh, and anyone who says differently, play a pure archetype deck not listed above or that isn’t meta rn, and see how much fun you have. But unfortunately this will never happen.
Honestly Rhyme, a lot of decks can be fun around the same power level, which is why im not against Rotations or formats. But this honestly just a problem with online mindsets and such focus a LOT of winning matters. Some play with friends and some don't, the problem is Konami and these online sims don't take that into account. all sorts get mixed together by being so lazy with banlist for these decent events. Doesn't help a lot of Yugitubers give mixed signals by wanting less powerful things...but then meme on casual or low tier things right after, and Casual Yugitubers don't get much attention especially in TCG. Hell, I made a Single deck for 8 or so people to use and a side deck to shift cards around as they please, and they said it was fun.
Link monsters are where things really got off the rails. The Extra deck was supposed to require effort to use, you used to need Polymerization (or it's equivalent) and you needed the 2+ monsters to fuse. With Synchro you still needed something special for the summon to work, tuners. Then multiples of the same level with Xyz, a lot easier to bring things out. And with Links, it's easier than it's ever been. Of course, there are Main deck cards that are too fast in the same way, but they had to keep the speed that way to match Links. The game is just too fast in general and the introduction of Links is when they pretty much decided to keep it fast and see what happens... This is what happens.
It isnt fast. its slow. It's one of the slowest games I ever played in my life. "Fast" is not defined by how much action density players can pack into a single turn no no, "Fast" is defined by the ratio between density of actions per turn and time taken per turn to perform those actions. The ratio in modern yugioh in this regard is heavily out of balance with the scales tipped firmly in the direction of maximum time taken per turn to perform a turn. The consequence of packing so many actions into one turn is that it takes more time to do that one turn. Players spend more time waiting than playing if it is not their turn, and the turn players spend less time playing with their opponent and more time playing with themselves. Time is dominated by one player in a one-sided manner BECAUSE of their long combos and strings of card searches, summons, interrupts etc.
@@Sigmaairav clearly you're missing my point. Fast as in you can fill up your field or pull a boss monster very easily. The way you can special summon your whole deck and extra deck and with little to no effort. And yes, I'm aware it's not always like that, but the fact that the possibility exists and can be taken advantage of, that and cards that literally stop your opponent from playing the game, they've made the game less fun for newcomers and returning players.
I completely agree. I am an old school player (Was doing tournaments before Invasion of Chaos came out) Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is like playing a one sided video game. Which can be fun if your opponent is a computer, but it is not. It is a human that wants to play as well. You are removing back and forth interaction. There is no fun in having to wait 10 minutes until you get to make your 1st move. I literally sat one time, and watch a guy take 15 minutes and over 50 moves turn 1, before I got to play a card. That eliminates the interaction between players. You need back and forth, and strategy against the player's strategy. Not just have floodgates. The older cards used to have drawbacks if they were powerful. Like they were hard to summon, Or their strong effect, effected you as well, plus the monster has a weakness. Jinzo for example, You can't play Traps either, and a you wouldn't be able to negate a magic card from destroying him then because of that. I literally read cards that say 'can not be destroyed by battle, and unaffected by card effects'. Like WHAT? That's ridiculous, things have to have a weakness. Like Spirit Reaper, if targeted he destroys, so that combats his not destroyed by battle.
While Yu-Gi-Oh has been my favorite card game since childhood and I still play Master Duel quite a bit, my problems just kind of come from being a casual player and not a super competitive one. Being forced to play ranked to earn rewards for the most part for means getting what I can before reaching Gold tier where the current meta decks start coming and then I can't really progress any further unless I get lucky. When I'm just trying to get my daily quests done, "Destroy 5 monsters" or "Activate 3 Spell Cards" can take like 45 minutes over the course of 3 duels because the opponent has 25 negates, 3 different ways to OTK, or surrenders when I try getting a combo going and I only special summoned like 4 times. I thought them adding Casual Mode was a step in the right direction, but because you don't earn rewards from them, it's pointless to me. I kinda miss the days where my anxiety rose because I think there is a Trap Hole face down and not because I'm dueling against a Floowandereeze deck where take 15 minutes for their first turn then I summon 1 monster just for them to do another 20-card combo. I tend to wait for new gates to be added in Solo mode because I like the concept of seeing the backstories behind specific archetypes that you'll likely never see in ranked. Plus, I like how each progress in difficulty mixes up how the archetype can be played with others.
I'm one of those really old players and seeing modern Yu-Gi-Oh confuses me to no end. Every card has a wall of text and I'm unsure of what anything does.
For me will be a pretty damn funny mode a sort of draft, basically you join the event and the game gave you 20 packs and you have to build a deck with what you have found
I think the problem with Yu-Gi-Oh right now is there's just so much you have to learn and keep track of that it's daunting for new players. I hopped back into the game about a year and a half ago after not playing since like....2007, and I was so overwhelmed I nearly quit. Even now, I've learned how to play like two decks but still get destroyed because I prefer fun over Meta. The game just is not forgiving for new or casual players. All that being said, I do enjoy jumping on and playing with my friends that have the game and share the same mentality I do.
It really does suck though if your favorite card just isn't viable as the main focus of the deck or just isn't viable at all. *cough* Silent Swordsman *cough*
As a young adult who had only ever played yugioh on the Wii (probably about 6-8 years ago) it was very difficult. Now I wasn’t much one to play often but having been a literal child at the time I do believe now thinking back that there should have been multiple modes early on. It would have provided more leeway for future yugioh on what does and does not work because I feel like I’m that time not very many people were hypercritical about those subjects
The upside to multiple formats is Konami has ideas for other formats other than your traditional ones (GOAT, Modern etc). They have started printing rules for deck master format and even a boss duel format where it's multiple people verses 1 boss duellist. It's a cool ideas but they just haven't done anything with it
I’m glad I got back into Yugioh when Master Duel first came out because if I would have gotten back into it right now 😬😬😬 I would have just left it alone. Having more format choices would be 🔥
I loved and played yugi oh when little, the ps1 game was simply impossible for me, few months ago I came back watching DM from start to finish now going with GX, downloaded master duels and duel links and it was simply overwhelming to learn, we went from fusions and tributes to pendulum, link, xyz, syncro, 1 turn kills, 30 minutes turns… it was a pain in my behinds to learn and I still dunno where I am half of the time
I agree with ya since it is forcing us to run a meta deck or we are screwed. I hust wanna play my toons and have fun without seeing 55 negates, a hand full of hand traps, and getting otked every other match 😢
I’ve always love yugioh the competitive side and goat when you just set and pass. I do agree people should be what they like. The way I play master duel every season ,when i go back to silver, i play my fun decks ( ojama, armed , light machine) ( penguin, ghost trick , zombies ) decks like this and once i get to mid gold i play fluffals and gizmeks to get to platinum. I feel like when you go up against tear , swordsoul, branded , etc , it gives you more decks to try out and you may end up liking the deck.
I don’t play Master Duel too often. But what I love about the game is the ability to just take a bunch of random cards and still be able to make a deck out of it and have a good time. Unfortunately some decks back it undesirable for others.
Adding a legacy mode where you play different eras would help the mode. DM/GX, 5Ds and XYZs where the card pool stops at the end of each era.
this one right here chief
Similar to Magic The Gathering with its different formats.
Yup formats!
Been saying it for years, most people got into the game from the anime and everyone has a favourite era basing the card game tiers off that would be the perfect way to go about it
they do this in duel links and normally one deck is just way better then the others like the regular events. idk if Konami can do it right lol.
Kinda discouraging watching a 20 minute turn 1 combo, ngl
I swear I just get on my phone intill it's my turn😂
then play hand traps and interupt it.
@sobbles6242 and if you didn't draw any negates???
@sobbles6242 Thats sick man, I'll just never draw a bad hand.
I just surrender…
Honestly formats IS the key to making the game better AND more profitable for Konami. They just make secret packs for those formats with their exclusive legal cards and staples. Like some people may think modern is a combo fest, others might think Goat, reaper and honestly everything before 5Ds is just the ape get luckier and draw the staples game. Yugioh has changed so much over the years and has so many vastly different eras giving people the choice is just a win win for everyone. Just tune the card list and make "new cards" for pre errata versions. Also even as a based Lab enjoyer this event blows
I’d love to see some sort of draft play gamemode, doesn’t need to be very complex.
draft would be soo fun
"I never got Yata-Locked because I have friends." Best quote ever.
100% agree. Yu-Gi-Oh has been my favorite card game for many years. Dark Magician has always been my favorite deck, but I just don't enjoy playing with all these "stop your opponent from doing anything" cards. Formats sound like a great idea.
The only real issue I have with Yugioh is the fact that it makes me read
Don't most card games make you read lol.
@@shadowX2121 pretty sure that was a ygo players cant read meme but regardless to be fair ygo has the most absolutely dogshit tier formatting among virtually every popular card game i can think of
Ironically that was also a less of a problem when the most complicated effect read "if this is sent from field to the gy add a
for me the issue is that they keep on having more cards that negate everything without letting the opponent to play. Which makes it boring for some to face/play against
Exactly, with my heros deck I can lock someone out of graveyard effects and monster effects while also popping anything they set.
Only by having cards like thunderstorm or evenly matched will they actually have a chance.
I actually think that this problem is kind of being adressed. Most new archetypes dont rely on generic ED omni Negates or dont even put up negates themselfes. Tearlament was designed as an archetype that doesnt negate. Purrely doesmt habe a single Negate, neither does Rescue Ace which is going to be top tier soon.
Yeah and the decks are always the same 5 meta decks so it gets boring because after the first 2 cards you already know how the game will play out... decks arent individual anymore
Literally incorrect. Tear has 2-3 (only one of which is an omni) negates usually. Branded has 0. Kashtira has no negates. Lab is the only deck running a lot of main deck negates like solemn but even Lab has different builds with little to no negates. Modern yugioh is a mess. Negates are not the problem.
@@MeisterdiebKidthis is not a modern yugioh problem. Nor is it even solely a yugioh problem. Almost all card games eventually revolve around a central group of good decks. Goat is literally named after goat control. TOSS is named after four different decks.
5:40 yugioh is complex enough that it feels like a younger audience just cant get into it, but they are the people with the most amount if time to play, most older people dont have time to keep playing to keep up with these crazy metas
Personally I think new players should get in to speed duels first so they know the base game then they can transition in to normal game because syncro,xyz and links aren’t complicated and pendulum are pretty much dying/dead but even then they aren’t as complicated either
The game is meant to be simple, fun and interactive, not complex nor make your quit after one move. Improve the archetypes yes but allow everyone to understand what they're playing with and against. This what I believe the game should be.
@Honest_Mids_Masher Yes, fair point, but it has become overbearing. There is simply no moderation nor discretion. Play what you wish, but don't play an archetype that renders your opponent unable to enjoy the competitiveness of both your deck and their own.
@Honest_Mids_Masher Explanation, hmm, hand traps (I understand and am supportive of quick-play/quick effects), but being able to negate effects with no consequence is annoying to have a competitive game is not about OTK or FTK (unless your put in a last gasp situation and need to pull the right card to combo). IMO, yugioh is my favourite retro anime/game, and improving it with all these new things is great, but the creators are running out of ways to make them enjoyable. Ingenuity has to match up with enjoyment, not one over the other. Simple.
Yeah modern yugioh made it better dude, have you tried to reed thousand eyes restrict without psct, its impossible
I completely agree that we should have different formats for not only master duel but also tournaments in general. A couple other card games have formats which in my opinion keeps it interesting. Plus it would also be fun to see how they balance it all out. I personally play Buster Blader and have since I was very young and now I have to try and run meta cards to keep up which is a little rough. The modern way of the game is fun but I want to see more variety which multiple formats would give us.
I forgot to put it in the initial comment but much love to you Rhyme and keep it up. Also thank you for being a bigger voice for all of the fans of the game
I feel like they've tried that with Speed Duels and Rush Duels and such but people go back to normal yugioh and that's tough
(Especially since the goal at the end is "how do we get people to buy the New Releases" what, you gonna start releasing New Time Wizard Legal cards or something?)
Era Mode: playing in the era of DM, GX, 5Ds, etc and the decks are limited to that era until you complete the era, after that you can just run any deck you want
Story Mode : make a new story mode
Hall of Kings : basically facing enhanced versions of the official characters, like Yugi with Link, Xyz and newer cards
The problem with an era mode the way you described it is that the Ani.e cards dont align with the cards that got printed and were META in the card game.
@@domimomi3954probably would be any erratas. Do the ai get pre errata cards or are the decks redesigned to allow for the changes. IE firewall dragon
Rhyme: Master Duel Has A Problem
Everyone else: witch one?
LMAO
It’s crazy, Rhyme literally verbalized my thoughts as a lax YuGiOh fan who recently tried to come back. Pokémon showdown works so well because cause you can switch to whichever meta you want and everyone is happy
Pokemon showdown is not official. it's rankings and "meta" are not reflective of the actual pokemon games or their official rulesets. It's a cancer upon the pokemon community imo, full of toxic people and arbitrary banlists in a simulator that was fan made and not made by the actual pokemon company and therefore the simulation environment is not a 1-1 copy of official pokemon battles and mechanics. Pokemon Showdown is just an approximation bootleg version of the real thing
Meta in all games in all formats in all mediums is overrated
I would love the idea of multiple formats in Yu-Gi-Oh, that way everyone can play whatever they want without the meta ruining the fun. Like, I like what Sam does with the F Tier videos, so a format where you can play different tier decks sounds fun. Or a format where you play character based decks. That'd be a lot of fun playing a Kaiba deck against a Yugi deck. You know, just some ideas for different formats
I think one of the things we can really use is simplified card effect listing like the OCG where they have bold dots for each effect there is no reason why we don't have this in master duel like for example list like for Barrone list each effect with the bold dots like Rhongo so if it uses it's effect it's easier to tell like I think the highlights on the effect is good but It doesn't work a lot of cards especially cards in grave.
Just like any other game has multiple modes to stave off staleness, more game modes will help. It's just important that they pay attention to the numbers and keep the ones that are popular while dropping the ones that aren't played. It'll be a process but a needed one. Eventually they could even have a schedule where during each day of the week they have a mode of the day. The hard part is just making they listen 😅
I agree with the sentiment that it rough to to come from old yugioh and see the current standard, i last actually played back in 2010 and when i tried to come back in again it was like watching a turn 0 MTG deck from legacy fromat. I guess i prefer modes where both people can play.
I’m exactly the type of player you are talking about with respects to coming back. For instance this event I made a Raviel deck as a bit of fun, 2 turns in, I want to quit the duel. Every time. There should be generation duels. Choose a era and duel in them. I feel like that would give people a lot more choice and chance of not going against the same ‘meta’ decks. Love the vids ❤
I think they would have a separate banlist for each mode of play but I think progession series or sealed showdown where you pay whatever gold to play and you pull cards and make a deck would be awesome
few months ago tried master duel and dropped it. love the game but its way too sweaty. even on casual it feels like ranked sometimes with how youre not allowed to play on your own turn lol
The big hurdle with multiple formats in Master Duel would be splitting the player base, which could lead to longer queue times. I think rotating game modes of different formats would be the best for Konami and the players as we get variety and they get player surges during events which can lead to more people playing modern.
I’d rather wait a little longer a day to play a mode that I KNOW I’ll have fun in than to wait weeks for that mode to come back. Besides the player base is already split. We love the game we just don’t love what they’re doing with the game.
The fandom can't exist without being split, as it's way too late to stop that, best they can do is control it by doing this.
As someone that played yugioh during the dm era and stopped until recently, it was extremely hard to get back into it even though i still kept up with the show, seeing tear and hearing about kash im just glad i had friends to walk me through this crazy ride.
Side tangent been a long time mtg player and I'd love for master duel to have old school yugioh as a format or do something like modern in mtg
“Labrynth is boring to play against, and to play”
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I’m definitely getting tired of running into Labrynth over and over, but I’m having fun trying out Cubics (supported by the Timelords Zaphion and Metaion).
In general, having different formats would certainly help. I resent how much of my deckbuilding has to be devoted to preemptively negating things just to (maybe) get the chance to play or have Duels last longer than 1-3 turns.
I've been crushing Labryinth decks using a Danger! Dark World deck because unless I draw dead, I can just blow through all of their interruptions and then set up my board
Ouuu both of these decks sound nice can I see you cubics with timelords zaphion and metaion please
I recently got back into Yugioh last year when I saw that it was the 25tg Anniversary. Master Duel helped bring me up to speed with the newer formats(still not perfect but I do understand the current gamestate). I do agree that different format options being available both at a locals and within Master Duel would help bring more Duel Monsters-era duelists like myself.
This is the third video I have watched talking about yugioh and the shareholder meeting. I really enjoy it, and I wish more people would say something about how they can improve the game
I'm finna boogie dance
I think they should have a better solo mode, to where it's sort of similar to Duel Links and you get anime character's ace monsters and specific cards. That way it can eliminate some of the crafting of URs and SRs that really add up. Also ban more Tearlaments lmao
the solo mode is a joke honestly.... i loved duel links for having random ai's to scrap with
@@HyperShadow991😂 if your talking about the solo mode in master duel then I agree with you but to a certain extent the solo mode is to learn about different decks and archetypes that most players don’t know and can learn about the cpu for some reason always starts off with a great hand and these loaner decks are ass so your hand is horrible 8 times out of 10 times also you get a lot of gems which is why 98% of players haven’t complained about solo mode the solo mode in legacy of the duelist link evolutions was so much better than master duels solo mode in my opinion
I got back into yughio by buying the Endymion Structure deck while my brother got the Rokket one.
It was a rough entrance but experimenting with those cards allowed me to quickly Adapt to the game again after 2 years of not playing when MD released.
I literally just started playing Yugioh MD and my first deck that I'm building is an Elemental Heros deck.
I go into rank and literally almost every deck I play against is Labyrinth, Floo, Eldlich, etc...
As a new player it seems like it is impossible to even play against these decks..
It is disheartening for sure but overall I'm enjoying the game and learning how to better play my deck.
Spartan!!!! Turn the tide!!!! That reason though is why I'm building trickstar burn to burn those ridiculous combo decks that make it where you can't play
@@Honest_Mids_Masher I'll definitely check that out
@@skygaming7266 It's me! Sup dude!
@@SpartanElite43 I didn't know you played Yu-Gi-Oh !!! That's cool as hell !!!
@@skygaming7266 I'm very new and actually just posted a video of a duel the other day
Day 121 of convincing Rhyme that Nino is best girl
Okay… uuuuh… I don’t got anything this time. My brain was fried from trying to think
Wat?
She can't be best girl if not unanimously recognized... Just saying. Also WHO?!?
I bet you used to keep nagging on your parents to get you that toy for days as a kid
Rhyme is lost for not realizing the truth. 😢
They should definitely streamline the game more. I also love Labyrinths so I’m chilling with this event.
When more and more cards have the “cannot be destroyed by battle and card effect” it locks you out from playing and it becomes not fun any more.
As someone who played Trickstar during this event literally 80 to 90 percent of my duels were against labrynth, this event was terrible and I'm glad I got all of the gems you can get from it so I can never touch it again.
They need to have permanent modes with older-aged cards with short time limits. Not the non-stop negates, combos etc
I'm so glad I'm not alone in being disappointed with this event. When I saw that they didn't even bother to limit any of the labyrinth cards like they did moye for the synchro event, I gave up on the event. I'm just getting the last couple points I need for the mate and never touching this game mode again
Chu-ske the Mouse Fighter is fucking banned in this event. A 1200 atk 3* monster with 2 cards for support is banned. Konami missed on this event
@@blackgallgher8747 Jerry Beans Man too. They even banned Mushroom Man #2. They seem to ban every single other monster besides fairy and fiend. What did other types do to deserve this. 😢
What's crazy is that I loved watching yugioh back in the day, dabbled at the TCG during the gx era, played duel links religiously and even played master duel religiously when it first came out but nowadays I don't think I'll ever jump headfirst back into yugioh cause of all these crazy metas that basically mean you either have to run straight counters or don't play. Still love watching yugi-tubers tho
Also, coming from OG yugioh to modern when this game came out was mindblowing. Fusions are still my most comfortable extra deck monsters.
The funny thing is, modern has looped back around where fusions are the best type.
@@kataphrut7740 Super Poly go brrrr
i feel like they should be errata-ing more cards, like if a deck or card, or setup/combo is too op, it should be quickly fixed, ESPECIALLY in master duel. Reprints are expensive but killing your game cuz of dogshit omni negate metas costs more
A lot of times, I feel like they dont re-write cards because the OP effects bring in tons more sales of people trying to pull it irl and in MD. Konami makes bank off of their p2w game. More so when prices go up due to OP effects.
no thats what the banlist is for.
Rhyme nailed it. I came back to Yugioh after a long hiatus and now I don’t bother playing anything but the training stuff with decks I made that are fun to play instead of getting destroyed by top tier decks, or stalled from playing the game entirely. I still play some old school duels with my brother, but that’s really the only exciting thing about the game anymore. We just use old cards and have fun building new decks, not just using the same 3 decks everyone else uses
You can still do this with modern cards, this is competitive, a place where fun isn't as important as wining. Of course playing with your friend is gonna be infinitely more enjoyable than playing meta, because you can just choose to not play the things you find boring.
Don't like hand Traps? Then we won't play handtraps. Don't like floodgates? Then we won't play floodgates.
You can't do this with random people. A random guy you find in ranked may want to be in the highest rank, and as such will use the best deck to do that. You can't force him to not combo off for 5 minutes to guarantee his win just because you find it boring.
Formats definitely would help the game. Pokemon has been doing it for so long and it helps and keeps changing every few Pokemon sets. Standard is what I play but every time I take a break and go back to Pokemon, it's a whole new meta and I like that
Haven't played this game in a month due to all these metas, it's has been a happy month
Aye man not to much on Labyrinth, it’s basically the most “fun” trap based deck out there. Also Lady Labyrinth is right there and why I like the archetype.
Thank you I have been playing labrynth since April before the Lady labrynth update came out last week and now everyone wants to talk trash about it but they playing tearlaments and bystial 😂
I think synchros and xyz were easy to understand then came pendulum and links and I was so out of it before I had to look up how to play them. I like playing my branded buster deck. But you’re absolutely right, the deck has a lock combo which I find fun, but I’m sure my friends hate it when I play it.
100000000% agree with everything you are saying. I stopped after synchros, tried coming back with Duel Links multiple times as well as Master Duel and I get lost with all these new formats and types of cards...just too much at this point to put as much time into getting good as needed
I like your thoughts about the way it could be. Im starting to like the new format too but man the top tier stun decks that play while its my turn too everytime is so annoying. 3 minute turns from my enemy and then even playing while its my turn is so stupid😂
I loved that this event almost forced you to play Labyrinth. Konami has the option to have fun with events, instead of just worrying about how many UR’s they make the community craft. There could be generation/character events where we would use older cards- not just Dark Magician vs. Code Talkers but some GOAT events.
I take a competent labrynth player than a battle hardened dd player in this event, you will be staring a wave king Caesar or kali, once summoned and you have no outs it's game over.
So im forced to craft a bunch of ur cards i will NEVER use again cus they are banned no thank you. Bring back n/r format that one was fun
I think Konami should try to promote other formats too. Especially the newest format Rush Dueling, it has the charm of being both combo-y like modern YGO as well as easy as older YGO. If I were to fix modern YGO I would completely un-nerf Pendulum and stop putting out Band-Aid fixes to problematic decks because that just makes more broken decks. Instead I'd invest in specialized support for each deck that makes it playable but not broken, like Konami did at the beginning of the Link Monster era.
I've been waiting on a discussion video like this and you're absolutely right it's not fun to play a game when you have to play the gross overly used cards index to have fun or even play
Had my first labyrinth mirror match. It literally was that think where you and your friend flail your hands trying to have one of your hands on top of the pile.
I’m a new player who arrived in maybe the first month of Master Duel, and I had to learn everything as it is, and I’ll admit, it almost drove me away. I would love formats, though, because I’m not the type to play meta decks. I want to play 5D’s-ass Inca decks, or even rituals that aren’t the new Bouillabase or whatever. I’d love to play in older formats where I won’t instantly get shut down by “oops all meta” in Bronze 4.
I think we need more general rules, like maybe every player can negate for only 3 times per turn so no matter how broken your first turn board is, the other player can still play around your negates
what about destruction or bounces or banishes or spins
@@sobbles6242 I'm not sure tbh, you can play around these, you can activate your effects and cards before they destroy/banish/etc... them most of the time, but when they have 8+ negates its basically game over
That will solve nothing and cause even more problems.
@@ZeothTheHedgehog maybe...
We cant be sure until we try it, but I think it will change the whole meta
I'd like to try it as a separate format to see how it goes
I got into yugioh when master duel came out and have been on and off with it. My brother is 10 years older than me and when I hear him talk about old school yugioh and his old school umi deck I get so jealous. Even with the duels on your and dotos channel where you don’t use top tier decks, it makes me wish I played yugioh earlier in my life
I wanted to share, I just got into yugioh again after the gx era. It’s definitely a wall to tackle. I still don’t understand Link Summons and Tearlaments, heck I barely can follow my own blackwing deck. But I love the combo routes, watching people pop off, i mostly just enjoy the game for what it is. I’m def only one case but as someone very new to this modern age of yugioh I’m glad you’re making your voice heard and hopefully Konami adds some kind of semi restricted formats/themed formats
The thing that turns me off to the game is it's refusal to just hit the problem cards instead of hurting an archetype. I stopped playing master duel when they banned celestial, instead of verte anaconda or just errata-ing DPE in a way that restricted it to heroes
There's a lot of issues with master duel out side of the meta the biggest issue for me is they made it 10x harder than it needs to be to build decks especially when you are the type of person to spend little to no money on games so you have to scrape by with what you can I feel like if it was easier to craft cards without dismantling entire decks or breaking your bank would make the game a lot more enjoyable, like for example they could make it to where you can trade certain amounts of lower rarity material for higher rarity so you're actually able to craft cause the way it is now is completely unfair for material the fact it takes 3 unfoiled cards to craft 1 one of the same rarity is ridiculous
Bro they have to make money. Its actually astonishing how much they made the game ftp friendly. U always have enough dust to craft stapples with the battle pass and gems are not that difficult to get even past the early game stage
I'll admit, I'm one of those people. I was in the the forth grade when I first saw Yu-Gi-Oh (GX). And growing up in a country where the Yu-Gi-Oh community isn't as relatively large when I fell back in love with Yu-Gi-Oh, recently, I found so discouraging to get back to the game. I expected that it would change naturally, I'm in uni now, but this game is incredibly different. I remember my first dual on master dual was, roughly, 12 minutes of which 8 of the 12 minutes was my opponents first turn. It's so difficult to keep up with the different effects, spell, summoning methods etc
I’d love to see you play a Valkyrie deck in this mode, it’s one of my personal favorites
I am right now playing a Progression Series on YGO Omega because my brother does not like playing Master Duel, but we love playing YGO.
I love playing Master Duel, but I ALSO think we should have formats, it is fun having to play under limitations and exciting formats
Magic has and is amazing for that reason. Top tier decks will always exist, but even that is already different.
Having listened to everything you’ve said Rhyme I can’t agree more! I’m from the original yu-gi-oh era but went off it, came back for GX then it wasn’t as available in the U.K., now when I play master duel I just wanna enjoy playing goat format or with my elemental hero’s but instead it’s sit and watch someone else play for 16 minutes then not being able to do anything…. Honestly multiple formats would be great, that or at least a mode in master duel to do this, there’s no real downside just an adjustment for those who play professionally which I’m sure they’d maintain the current format too for them
Current yugioh is soo complicated, i learnt how to play links,synchro,fusion,xyz but will never touch pendulums.
Rhyme is so on point on this matter
Speaking as someone who started fizzling out when synchro monsters came out, yes, it is just too much to come back to.
I really did try to get into master duel, but I knew almost nothing about yu-gi-oh going in. And even playing against tutorial bots, I would still get my ass handed to me constantly. 5+ cards on the field with 1-4 paragraphs of effects each, such tricky wording on the card's effects (effects that "send" cards technically being different then effects that "destroy" cards - even though they both SEND the targeted card to the GY. Just one example), getting my whole field wiped because I glanced over one sentence on a card hiding in my opponents GY, 17 different ways to summon monsters, bringing out multiple boss monsters on the first turn and almost completely blocking you out from even playing the damn game... like jesus... it's so frustrating.
I definitely enjoy your yu-gi-oh vids where you do oldschool duels much more then the ones for modern yu-gi-oh. I can actually keep up with the former lol.
hear me out. somewhat of a remake of duelist of the roses. that would be actually insane and help a lot of the old school players want to get back in too
I feel you there.
I brought my Dark Necrofear/ Destiny Board deck, realized it was all labyrinths, and then decided I was gonna go play something else
Personally I feel like once Yu-Gi-Oh moved into the P2P era of games, it makes it harder to enjoy playing the game in a virtual aspect. Playing games like Tag Force or LOTD where I could grind for all the cards definitely gave me a sense of confidence and achievement. It’s when I want to test out new archetypes and I can’t is where I lose interest in Master Duel (specifically), but I still enjoy the TCG.
Bro for a CARD GAME (which is the defibition of pay 2 win) yugioh is fine, multiple free sims with ladders, both manual and automatic plus md is really f2p friendly compared to other gatchas
I grinned for branded Fusion when Branded Fusion dropped without owning a single card before hand. You can very much grind the same in Tag Force in MD
this is the same reason that I don't play PVP anymore. Granted, I play here and there, but I'm not having fun
For what it's worth coming from a bit of a weird perspective of someone who grew up alongside it, the TCG came out when I was 5 and I begged for the first starter decks, yet at the same time didn't like OG and still don't, I personally like combo style decks and hold the uncommon opinion that Yugioh didn't really start to get good and find its footing until Synchro cards started to show up.
I 100% agree that Master Duel needs more formats so that the most people can play, it's a simulation of the game, so more modes and formats and options is an undeniable good and healthy for the game. Also ban Maxx C, that card kills so much potential for deck diversity cause you always have to play Maxx C and the cards that counter Maxx C that of Ash Blossom and Called By in every deck ever.
I think as far as the actual paper game I have a few ideas that might help or might not help:
First, get rid of "missed timing" that is the absolute dumbest thing in the whole game and needs to be torched and ashes scattered
Second, banning all FTK and Floodgate cards, it's not fun in any way, shape, or form to either be stunned out of playing the game or die by some extremely complicated FTK, sure it was funny as Hell the first time, but after that the genie is out of the lamp and it's lost all it's fun.
Third Konomi needs to give new paper players some kind of official resource that teaches all the most common interactions in Yugioh as well as all the summoning mechanics. The two player starter set looks promising and appears to be a step in the right direction, but it hasn't come out yet so I can't pass any real judgement.
I think that's a start and only time will tell on this one.
everytime i see rhyme he be wearing this same white shirt but i love u keep up the work
I agree, also after reaching master 1 and completing your pass there's nothing left to do, atleast different formats will help with that.
What Rhyme said is so true. I played yughio back in the early 2000’s and loved it. I’ve tried ranked on master duel and new format of yughio is insane.
Thats why I love the videos of you playing OG GOAT format.
I have a love/hate relationship with Yu-Gi-Oh. I mainly play master duel but the topics you touched on is also my problem with it. I get tired of facing the same tired decks everytime a new meta or pack rolls around. Like I understand people are trying to get used to or try out decks but it's wild how it floods the airwaves when there's a million different decks to try out or mesh together.
witch are all bad/ unplayable. dude its normal to have power creep in a card game like yugioh
my whole problem with new yugioh is the fact that people can set up like 10 different omni negates and you just don't get to play the game. I want to have a back and forth duel with someone, not be barred from playing the game because I'm not playing a meta counter.
2v2 duels/team duels would be good ( not like 3v3 team match). It would be a nice way for an experienced player to introduce yugioh to a new player, while playing alongside them. That's what i believe.
2v2 duels/**Tag Duels* (that's it's actual name, please poor Team Match alone)
I played up until 2019 and I agree it is quite complex. Now that they are supporting old formats I am really into it and the way to fix it would be formats.
I personally have been enjoying the event getting to learn labyrinth main so I can learn how to counter it but I fully get the issue with modern yugioh I stopped playing during GX and came back like 2 months into master duel and it took so long for me to wrap my head around comboing, I personally would love a older format to play so I could get a feel for what top level felt like back when I was playing playground decks
Honestly Ive been trying to get a dark world deck set up for this event so I can play it but Im wondering now if there would even be a point to it
I saw a minute long short recently of “how to play X engine” never heard of it before. But the full minute was him speaking absolutely rapid cycling through over half his deck in combos turn one and I never wanted to play modern yugioh less
I think the biggest problem that not everyone will agree with is as follows: it’s very hard to pick up it’s like trying to play call of duty 3 for the first time when everyone else knows how to play for years on end, there is no easy way to pick up the game. And yes there is a tutorial in master duel but if your trying to play IRL you either have to read a panflit or watch a bunch of UA-cam videos. The second problem is a problem overwatch is facing rn. The good decks keep getting buffs or are getting new support. A way to “fix” ( kinda ) yugioh is to ban what is needed not what is wanted, and to fix cards, for example Laval chain ( as Seerax has said ) is only broken because it can be made so easily and can be put in any deck, but if it was for only Laval monsters then it could be more fun to play with and against. This goes with basically any card that is so basically ( also like needle fiber ).
Basically long story short don’t make everyone have to play one of three or four decks to be able to play the game. I think yugioh could come back if any archetype could be played and be able to have fun with. Like dark Mahican has so much support but things like Vylon doesn’t, some people won’t even know what that deck I mentioned is. Like think about it like this. The decks you have to play to win: Kash,Tear,Ishizu,Floow, Labyrinth, punk, some branded concoctions, Runick, or sword soul. You shouldn’t have to play these decks to enjoy yugioh, and anyone who says differently, play a pure archetype deck not listed above or that isn’t meta rn, and see how much fun you have. But unfortunately this will never happen.
Honestly Rhyme, a lot of decks can be fun around the same power level, which is why im not against Rotations or formats. But this honestly just a problem with online mindsets and such focus a LOT of winning matters. Some play with friends and some don't, the problem is Konami and these online sims don't take that into account. all sorts get mixed together by being so lazy with banlist for these decent events.
Doesn't help a lot of Yugitubers give mixed signals by wanting less powerful things...but then meme on casual or low tier things right after, and Casual Yugitubers don't get much attention especially in TCG. Hell, I made a Single deck for 8 or so people to use and a side deck to shift cards around as they please, and they said it was fun.
Link monsters are where things really got off the rails. The Extra deck was supposed to require effort to use, you used to need Polymerization (or it's equivalent) and you needed the 2+ monsters to fuse. With Synchro you still needed something special for the summon to work, tuners. Then multiples of the same level with Xyz, a lot easier to bring things out. And with Links, it's easier than it's ever been. Of course, there are Main deck cards that are too fast in the same way, but they had to keep the speed that way to match Links.
The game is just too fast in general and the introduction of Links is when they pretty much decided to keep it fast and see what happens... This is what happens.
It isnt fast. its slow. It's one of the slowest games I ever played in my life.
"Fast" is not defined by how much action density players can pack into a single turn no no, "Fast" is defined by the ratio between density of actions per turn and time taken per turn to perform those actions. The ratio in modern yugioh in this regard is heavily out of balance with the scales tipped firmly in the direction of maximum time taken per turn to perform a turn.
The consequence of packing so many actions into one turn is that it takes more time to do that one turn. Players spend more time waiting than playing if it is not their turn, and the turn players spend less time playing with their opponent and more time playing with themselves. Time is dominated by one player in a one-sided manner BECAUSE of their long combos and strings of card searches, summons, interrupts etc.
@@Sigmaairav clearly you're missing my point. Fast as in you can fill up your field or pull a boss monster very easily. The way you can special summon your whole deck and extra deck and with little to no effort. And yes, I'm aware it's not always like that, but the fact that the possibility exists and can be taken advantage of, that and cards that literally stop your opponent from playing the game, they've made the game less fun for newcomers and returning players.
I agree. Labrynth is torture to play against, especially with my Traptrix deck.
I completely agree. I am an old school player (Was doing tournaments before Invasion of Chaos came out) Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is like playing a one sided video game. Which can be fun if your opponent is a computer, but it is not. It is a human that wants to play as well. You are removing back and forth interaction. There is no fun in having to wait 10 minutes until you get to make your 1st move. I literally sat one time, and watch a guy take 15 minutes and over 50 moves turn 1, before I got to play a card. That eliminates the interaction between players. You need back and forth, and strategy against the player's strategy. Not just have floodgates. The older cards used to have drawbacks if they were powerful. Like they were hard to summon, Or their strong effect, effected you as well, plus the monster has a weakness. Jinzo for example, You can't play Traps either, and a you wouldn't be able to negate a magic card from destroying him then because of that. I literally read cards that say 'can not be destroyed by battle, and unaffected by card effects'. Like WHAT? That's ridiculous, things have to have a weakness. Like Spirit Reaper, if targeted he destroys, so that combats his not destroyed by battle.
While Yu-Gi-Oh has been my favorite card game since childhood and I still play Master Duel quite a bit, my problems just kind of come from being a casual player and not a super competitive one. Being forced to play ranked to earn rewards for the most part for means getting what I can before reaching Gold tier where the current meta decks start coming and then I can't really progress any further unless I get lucky. When I'm just trying to get my daily quests done, "Destroy 5 monsters" or "Activate 3 Spell Cards" can take like 45 minutes over the course of 3 duels because the opponent has 25 negates, 3 different ways to OTK, or surrenders when I try getting a combo going and I only special summoned like 4 times. I thought them adding Casual Mode was a step in the right direction, but because you don't earn rewards from them, it's pointless to me. I kinda miss the days where my anxiety rose because I think there is a Trap Hole face down and not because I'm dueling against a Floowandereeze deck where take 15 minutes for their first turn then I summon 1 monster just for them to do another 20-card combo. I tend to wait for new gates to be added in Solo mode because I like the concept of seeing the backstories behind specific archetypes that you'll likely never see in ranked. Plus, I like how each progress in difficulty mixes up how the archetype can be played with others.
I'm one of those really old players and seeing modern Yu-Gi-Oh confuses me to no end. Every card has a wall of text and I'm unsure of what anything does.
For me will be a pretty damn funny mode a sort of draft, basically you join the event and the game gave you 20 packs and you have to build a deck with what you have found
I think the problem with Yu-Gi-Oh right now is there's just so much you have to learn and keep track of that it's daunting for new players. I hopped back into the game about a year and a half ago after not playing since like....2007, and I was so overwhelmed I nearly quit. Even now, I've learned how to play like two decks but still get destroyed because I prefer fun over Meta. The game just is not forgiving for new or casual players.
All that being said, I do enjoy jumping on and playing with my friends that have the game and share the same mentality I do.
It really does suck though if your favorite card just isn't viable as the main focus of the deck or just isn't viable at all. *cough* Silent Swordsman *cough*
As a young adult who had only ever played yugioh on the Wii (probably about 6-8 years ago) it was very difficult. Now I wasn’t much one to play often but having been a literal child at the time I do believe now thinking back that there should have been multiple modes early on. It would have provided more leeway for future yugioh on what does and does not work because I feel like I’m that time not very many people were hypercritical about those subjects
The upside to multiple formats is Konami has ideas for other formats other than your traditional ones (GOAT, Modern etc).
They have started printing rules for deck master format and even a boss duel format where it's multiple people verses 1 boss duellist.
It's a cool ideas but they just haven't done anything with it
I’m glad I got back into Yugioh when Master Duel first came out because if I would have gotten back into it right now 😬😬😬 I would have just left it alone. Having more format choices would be 🔥
Me playing 0 hand traps Endymion going against the sixth Labyrinth player. I feel you now Mr. Krabs
I loved and played yugi oh when little, the ps1 game was simply impossible for me, few months ago I came back watching DM from start to finish now going with GX, downloaded master duels and duel links and it was simply overwhelming to learn, we went from fusions and tributes to pendulum, link, xyz, syncro, 1 turn kills, 30 minutes turns… it was a pain in my behinds to learn and I still dunno where I am half of the time
I agree with ya since it is forcing us to run a meta deck or we are screwed. I hust wanna play my toons and have fun without seeing 55 negates, a hand full of hand traps, and getting otked every other match 😢
how do you feel abour decks that play on their opponents turn but plays much less on their own, like Generaiders?
I’ve always love yugioh the competitive side and goat when you just set and pass. I do agree people should be what they like. The way I play master duel every season ,when i go back to silver, i play my fun decks ( ojama, armed , light machine) ( penguin, ghost trick , zombies ) decks like this and once i get to mid gold i play fluffals and gizmeks to get to platinum. I feel like when you go up against tear , swordsoul, branded , etc , it gives you more decks to try out and you may end up liking the deck.
I don’t play Master Duel too often. But what I love about the game is the ability to just take a bunch of random cards and still be able to make a deck out of it and have a good time. Unfortunately some decks back it undesirable for others.