The Palestinian issue is diplomatic issue. What hamas has made out of Gaza proves beyond doubt that power and wealth is their motive and humanity has never been their priority
Professor Pappe Is a treasure of knowledge. Along with Edward Said, Ghassan Kanafani and Rashid Khalidi they shaped my generation's understanding of Palestine
I read eyewitness accounts from October 7 and quotes from IDF officers confirming this … English translations of Israeli news sources …at The Cradle an online West Asia platform
An objective and frank discussion with proper context and causes of the narrative Israel and western countries propagate and advance throughout the world.
Thankyou Karan, for some of the sane voices that you bring on your program. Professor Ilan Pappe is one of them. The people in power in the western governments particularly U.S that backs Israel with their blind beliefs gives a very pessimistic picture if the status quo remains.
For people who don't know, Prof. Ilan Pape is an Israeli Jewish scholar, not an outsider. Some other scholars of the same background are Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein. Look them up
Excellent interview as usual. One question: should we not more directly call out the UK for the colonial mischief it played in Palestine as well in other erstwhile colonies such as India, leaving divided and embittered communities and races through their divisive and manipulative policies all meant to benefit their Empire? The UK rarely takes any responsibility for the chaos they have often deliberately caused.
Before 1950-55 accepted principle was might is right and mighty will decide on all political matters. The Europeans were mighty and whatever they decided was Fait-accomply for rest like India partition, division of Arab countries.
My thoughts: Jealousy is the root cause of all evil. People are jealous of each other for pity material gains. Personally, and I am probably a minority, if Ilan Pappe was our president, we probably were not in the situation we are now. As a Jew and an Israeli, and someone who lived abroad for long periods of time, I think Israel should follow the steps of other countries who overcame apartheid problem. If Arabs and Jews can coexist peacefully in Canada, America and other countries, why can't they here, in Israel? Of course they can. Evil can be bred and nourished in closed off, dark corners. If we were one country, the righteous energy of good people would offset any rising of evil and malicious intent in others. It is easy for a human mindset to throw bombs over someone whom you don't see daily face to face, but one would not casually do it for a neighbor. Overcoming an Apartheid problem, opening hearts and borders, gradually, letting go of the Zionist ideology of "Israel is exclusively for Jews", having democratic values and providing equal opportunities for people from all backgrounds - we can move towards a peaceful society. I hope it is not too late though... If it can be done in Canada, in America, in Europe why can't it be achieved in Israel? I believe it can be.
The COLONIAL MENTALITY of the UN will never declare a PALESTINIAN SOVEREIGN STATE, why? Palestinian natural gas field?? When late leader Yasser Arafat celebrated this discovery, he described the field as "a gift from God to the Palestinian people".
Live and let live. India will never stand by the side of Adharma. Dharma is constant. Karma is inevitable. Dharmo Rakshati Rakshatah. Satyamev Jayate!🪷 Jai Hind! 🫡
Sirs, an over riding fact of this conflict is that it is not a normal or traditional war.On one side is the traditional army,the other side is a semi-trained army with small arms and rockets whose barracks are the underground tunnels in residential areas. And that makes the whole war an extremely complicated scene with immense collateral and civilian destruction. There is no template for this new type of war.
@@HHasan-of2vi Professors play the worst kind of politics and they are the best lobbyists. They shape the young and vulnerable minds as per their own world view. Mosab Hassan Yousef was a Muslim and he changed his stance after seeing things from such close quarter.
@@FreddieMurphy746 Ya lot of professors backing government blindly and lobbying for them but few professors stand for Justice and unbiased likes of Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and others.
@@HHasan-of2vi Justice and unbiased is a subjective word. This professor is a biased individual. He speaks ur language, hence, u r advocating his stance, if he was even remotely neutral u would have used different adjectives. Karan knows that his audience is now majority Mullahs, hence, his guests and his stand completely favors u guys
The continuing existence of the Original trunk render the branches secondary, rather duplicate, everywhere in the world. And naturally the branches hate the trunk and set to annihilate the trunk. That is the moral.
Try to invite yuval noah harrari. We want to hear you and him as he is working as the ambassador of this conflict which is exceptional and unexpected from him.
TO begin with coming across a fluctuating Ocean of faiths and beliefs and later after 1938.the idea of land occupation in Arabean Peninsula for gas. and fuel combined to make different proposition and come in to play a vital role for endless fight for endlesstime.
Karan I always watch your program. Thanks for your excellent work. I feel bad when children & innocent people are killed. While going through the reason of 2nd world war Hitler says clearly I am leaving some Jews for you to realize what they can do to this world. Do you think that he was right?
Ofcourse not!. His madness and now Netanyahu's madness. Netanyahu has become Hitler2.0 .If honest media calls Netanyahu as Hitler 2.0 alteast this current genocide might be halted.
you appear to be an educated muslim, a rarity in todays world, however, I am confused over what I found in another chat group, I wonder if you could please help me understand this text . Many thanks Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
@@shaffaqjamil3487 I was hoping you would explain Sahih al-Bukhari 2926. Sachwala ji who is also called Quranwala says.........."Quran k allah aur quran k shaitan ek hai". To my mind that is a very damning comment, it is making muslims out to be an evil people who worship the Devil.
@@shaffaqjamil3487 you also said in your comment......"I personally condemn......." do you mean to say you don't agree with what the hadith is saying and personally you have a different viewpoint ? which begs the question, are you an ex muslim too ?
@Karan, i don't think it is a war. According to.the international law. It is an occupation, more brutal.than what the British did to us. Our fight was never called a freedom fight. This is a fight against colonizer
1) What Modi's India should have done if Pakistani sponsored terrorist might have killed 1400 innocent Indian civilians? 2) what Manmohan's India would have done in the same context, if it were the case?
You're comparing two vastly different scenarios. Israel has implemented a brutal blockade and siege of Gaza for the past 17 years and bombs them every few years causing civilian deaths and extensive damage to civilian infrastructure that is difficult to be rebuilt over and over
Will you suggest us how people see situation in ilegaly occupied Palestine? World is not stupid. We see what is going and why since 1967. (even decades earlier) There are war crimes and genocidec inflicted by Israelis to Indigenous Palestinian Arabs Muslims and Christians . THERE IS NO EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN OPPRESSED AND OPPRESSORS FOR 75 YEARS.
But what if these civilian infrastructure is used as military bases from which Hamas is launching its attacks? What should Israel do? Seriously, answer
Ethnic cleansing is on in India as well. The US allows people from numerous countries into their country, regardless of ethnicity, to the extent that they have a huge population diverse ethnicity.
'Hamas' just did the same thing which 'India' did 'against' Pak on 27 Feb 2019 lol. West didnt find anything 'wrong' in that, they must not feel anything is 'wrong' here too 😁
90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India in 1971, India let them off without killing them. Hamas is a terror group. US & Israel will deal with it
Could the partition of India in 1947 have been prevented? I don't think so! Was partition of India in 1947 inevitable? Have a glance without bias! Mr. Jinnah declared 16 August 1946 as "Direct Action Day", also known as Great Calcutta killings. The day was basically a call for the minorities to unite and ask for a separate state based on religion. Mr. Jinnah wanted to turn his two nation theory into a reality. Muslim League tried to interfere in the business affairs of Indian National Congress. The violence got more cruel and the following week is known as "Week Of Long Knives". Congress tried to stop and cooperate, but every effort was a failure. In the end, the only option left was to accept the two nation theory. The British played the "Divide and Rule" policy so well, that yes, the partition was indeed inevitable. The riots were so barbaric that partition at this point was inevitable. The Partition was inevitable. While a cursory reading of history seems to indicate that it was a snap decision, a more detailed reading would reveal that it has been in the works since early 1940s. In the aftermath of WW II, the British belatedly realised that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had begun to get out of their control through the 1940s. Further Britain deep in wartime debt, simply couldn’t afford to hold on to India and its other colonies. The seeds of Partition were sown long ago. As early as 1940s, Winston Churchill hoped that majorities-minorities antagonism would remain “a bulwark of British rule in India”. The British-supervised elections in 1937 and 1946, which the Congress won easily, only hardened minority identity. In the 1946 elections, the Congress Party leaders refused to share power with Mr. Jinnah, confident that they did not need minority support in order to win a majority vote in elections. These attitudes stoked minority fears that the secular nationalism of Gandhi and Nehru was a cover for Hindu dominance. By 1946, Mr. Jinnah had managed to present himself as the best defender of minority interests in a Hindu-dominated India. The Congress party claimed that it represented 400 million people. Minorities politicians, Mr. Jinnah in particular saw the Congress as a party representing upper caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for the hundred million minorities who were spread across the entire country. At first, Nehru and a few other Congress Party leaders dismissed the idea of Pakistan as a joke. Mr. Jinnah ordered mass strikes across India, which morphed into majorities v/s minorities riots. In August, 1946, four thousand residents of Calcutta died within 3 days. It was frenzied violence which spun out of control. Retaliatory killings around the country followed especially in Punjab and Bengal. Gandhi failed with his non-violence approach even with the Congress Party. Many of the congress leaders spoke openly of civil war. It was under these conditions that Mounbatten arrived in Feb 1947 with a clear mandate to transfer power to the Indians in 15 months. He had to figure out how to transfer power and to whom! He didn’t have the time to understand the prevailing Indian politics. He slowly started working his way with the key politicians and suggested the Partition. Starting with Nehru other congress leaders like Patel and Rajaji, slowly accepted the idea of Pakistan. Finally even Gandhi has to relent despite his resistance to the idea of Pakistan. The transition was not easy as several religious and ethnic minorities like the Pashtuns, Sikhs, Baluchis demanded independence. Mounbatten managed to defuse most of the secessionist movements. After enough wrangling and some torturous negotiations during May 1947 the Indian leaders agreed for the Partition. It seems the British saw partition along religious lines as the quickest way to exit. The British were eager to divide and quit and the Indian politicians were too eager to enjoy power. Had the congress leaders not agreed to Partition, we would have had a civil war (with violence in Punjab and Bengal escalating) and the British were content to be just spectators. We would have had more ethnic strife. Hence Partition was inevitable. In retrospect, it could have been implemented better. Very abruptly in June 1947, Mounbatten/Britishers announced August 1947 as the date for the transfer of power. No reasons to advance the date was provided. Perhaps he just wanted to run away from India. A London barrister - Clyde Radcliffe was flown to India and just given 40 days to define the political geography of India flanked by 2 wings - West Pakistan and East Pakistan. No one had prepared for a massive transfer of population. Trains carried nothing but corpses and British soldiers were confined to the barracks. Punjab witnessed ethnic cleansing. It is a different matter that the 2 nation theory wasn’t realised as envisaged in its original form. The current generation of the subcontinent paying the price of their good-for-nothing older generation for hastily cutting India that had tens of thousands of unique civilization and culture.
Mr. Karan When you interview about a sensitive and serious matter like this You should call people who are with integrity. You should not think because this guy is called professor of international studies, he is well-versed in history. I feel sorry for his students because I don't know how many times, he taught wrong history to them. Regarding Israel you should know that the state of Israel is not newly created one in 1948. The state of Israel was originally established in 1020 B.C and the first king of Israel was Saul. In 980 B.C, David became the second king of Israel. In 973 B.C, King David conquered the city of Jerusalem from the Jebusites and made it his capital city. King Solomon the wise the son of King David became the 3rd King in 940 B.C. The borders of the Kingdom extended from River Euphrates to Mediterranean Sea and from Mount Hermon to Eilat. In 900 B.C the Kingdom was split into two. The Northern Kingdom retained the name Israel, and the Southern Kingdom was named Judah. Jerusalem the capital remained with Judah. Israel was defeated by Assyrian King Salmanazar in 721 B.C Judah was defeated by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. The Jews lived in small numbers in and around Jerusalem after that. A famous place of worship was there from 933 B. C. to 586 B.C and from 510 B.C to 70 A.D. In 4 B. C the former kingdom of Israel was divided into various tetrarchies like Judea, Galilee, Idumea, and Decapolis federation. Titus the Roman General and son of Emperor Vespasian destroyed Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple taking thousands of Jews as captives to Rome. From there they migrated to all countries of Europe and the USA and Russia. When they encountered tribulation in various countries of Europe and Russia, they wanted to return to their homeland Israel. A small number of Jews continued to live in Israel. In 135 A. D the Roman Emperor renamed Israel as Syria Palestina. After 3rd century A. D it came under Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantines. Crusaders and Mamluks, Ottoman Turks and the British ruled the land one after the other. Hitler's genocide of the Jews which was called holocaust strengthened the zeal and desire of the Jews to reestablish their homeland and they did it on 14th May 1948.
Some topics need frequent repetition, because remarkably few have actually understood, not just what really happened - which non of us will ever fully find out - but how deliberate misrepresentation and instrumentalisation of events have been abused to manipulate our collective perception in order to create legimisation for rampant ethnic cleansing with genocidal characteristics. The following short list is in no way absolute, but provides enough information for further investigation and fact checking, even if you're already informed. The "40 beheaded babies"-lie was started by david ben zion. Most 7.Oct-damage was caused by hellfire missiles and tank shells. apache helicopters shot at unidentified targets (civilians) at the festival and Gaza border. Listen to the testimony of surviving hostages and military personnel: Yasmin Porat, Hadas Dagan, Lieutenant Colonel Nof Erez, Lt. Col. Golan Vach, etc. Historian Ilan Pappé is one of the best sources to understand *all* events leading to the political situation, some which others ignore, that are crucial. Also David Sheen is a great source of analysis of contemporary polititics. The GrayZone is one of the leading investigative news outlets.
Jews wanted to comeback to the land of their forefathers after a long gap what is wrong with that? For example, if NRIs want to come back to India say after 1000 years are they not welcome to come back? Suppose if India has become a Muslim majority nation at that time will the NRI Hindus be welcomed? People do hold some bonds to their ancient lands and ancient cultures. People need to respect that as long as it is done lawfully
But the Nakba didn't happen lawfully did it? If the land belongs to Palestinians what right do the European zionists have over it? If they drove millions out of their homes? It's so obvious that there are no moral or logical grounds on which the existence of Israel can be explained. It only exists because the British colonizers decided to further their interests. Even Jews against Zionism are harassed in Israel. Zionism is an occupying ideology birthed by white supremacists. And who the hell do the British think they are to form governments on other people's lands?
You speak of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What are the Japanese saying about the Israel-Hamas matter? Although it was unfortunate, Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened because 1) Pearl Harbour incident. 2) Because of other incidents of Japanese havoc in the Pacific Ocean. But Japan has now emerged as a strong and responsible nation to be appreciated
Romolia Thapar was telling History wont be kind to Modi, now you are talking Morals values etc etc but not historical place of nethnahu U N chief clarified Misquoted what about Clarification??
What did the earlier inhabitants of Israel do to develop the region? The same region of Israel has been so highly developed by the Israelites. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HEZBULLA? What is the purpose of AL QAEDA? What is the purpose of the 2 Mujahideens? What is the purpose of ISIS? What is the purpose of all the terrorist organisations around the world. Hamas is one of the most dangerous terrorist organisations around the world yet Karan Thapar show have never condemned Hamas in spite of seeing how Hamas worked towards terrorism.
I think two state solution is the only way to go considering various historical events that have taken place in 1900s which caused the formation of Israel and subsequent wars. But will Palestinians be content with two state solution of Israel and the West Bank as Palestine or will they still keep attacking Israel inspite of having their own state is a million dollar question..!!? My guess is hatred for Jews and Israel is so ingrained in the radical Muslim minds that they will still wage a war against Israel which again will create problem in the West Bank now that it is easy to smuggle weapons into West Bank from Iran through Iraq, Syria and Jordan. It looks like an eternal war. Anyway we are seeing the real face of radical Islam.
You talk like white people defending apartheid in South Africa, who said that black people will kill all the whites there. I am sure that AB de Villiers and Quinton de Kock have not died.
You are projecting the Racist attitudes of the Israelis onto the oppressed Palestinian people. From the very arrival of the Zionists their nefarious plan was to drive the indigenous Palestinian Arabs from Palestine for the purity of creating a Jewish State. The antisemitism that developed was a result of the Jews own ruthless behavior, in which they used God as their righteous shield they hid behind. If they had come and just lived in peace perhaps all the years of bloodshed on both sides might not have occurred. Israel is strong enough to right those past wrongs, but instead they continue their Apartheid policies and aggression. You can not find peace while standing on another people's backs.
“CAA is unfair; why don’t you treat all religions equally?”… “UCC is unfair; how can you treat all religions on equal footing?”… Double standard; double-tongued; dubious intellectual with complete absence of integrity and logic!
GUETERES WAS CERTAINLY WRONG. The UN document did not mention HAMAS, the catalyst of this crisis. Why? This war is about Israel and Hamas, the terrorist organisation as well as Hezbulla. Why was Hamas not mentioned as a terrorist organisation? Do the support Hamas? Are they afraid of Hamas? WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT MENTIONING SPECIFICALLY THE NAME OF HAMAS? Why has Hezbulla been created?
I see Blinken’s statement as pain and helplessness. It is an expression of pain that civilians are suffering. Can you TELL HAMAS TERRORISTS TO SURRENDER FOR THE HUMANITARIAN CAUSE?
Every body works for national interest. Israel with US help will destroy Jihadi terror Hamas, India should learn from this. Israel has also offered 1 lakh job visas to India. There are reports UAE has supplied arms to Israel, will India also do it?
No moral issues are raised, when even after 1971 to this day 75 lakhs of hindu bengalis are forced to flee leaving lands and properties in mungalistan ( bangladesh ). Where govt. alone vested some 16 and a half millions acres or 6640 sq. Kms of hindu land, in mungalistan ( bangladesh ) In 71, it was essentially hindu bengali genocide to the tune of thousands and thousands and women raped in mass, not only by pakistan army but also by a large section of bengali speaking muslims in east pakistan., as reported by Blood, the then American consulate general in east pakistan by a telegram to the then president Nixon and kisinger, sighned by 22 other consulate employees. And a book has been written by Gary. J Bass named " Blood Telegram " Both the followers of so called hinduthava party and seculars keep a deafening silence over the matter. Guju vai doing bussiness and secus only agenda is to protect muslims. But time is changeing. So I personally is very happy that ihudis teaching the muslims a good lesson for the savagery of muslims. Thap thap thaper has no moral issues,he is just conditioned as explained by PAVLOV, to react whenever he perceive muslims are in danger even ib thousands miles away.
And the “NEW” Germany that Israel approved of is a far better and prosperous Germany than what it was under Hitler or Bismarck. So Israel did make the correct decision of looking forward than harp on looking backwards. I think that was great of Israel recognising the New GERMANY.
They should have divided west Germany and given it Nazi Holocaust victims. But instead UNO went ahead and divided a country that had noting to di with Holocaust
Israel has cautioned and asked the civilian people of Palestine to move to safe zones where humanitarian relief is provided, and the people were aware that Hamas tunnels were going to be target regions. Israel has right to defend itself not only for current events BUT NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT SUCH FUTURE EVENTS DON’T HAPPEN AGAIN. The difficulties now is to secure future of Israel as well as future of Palestinian civilians.
Yes and after asking Palestinian to move to space place they bomb that very site. An oppressor can never have any right for self defence because it is the aggressor and perpetrator in this whole situation. And according to latest reuter news the death toll of israelis have not only reduced but found to be those if military personnel than civilians
37:20 The Palestinians wanted to kill the American volunteers who were risking their life to help them. Says a lot about them. Karan sees benevolence of Palestinians in this also.... delusional.
Mahabharata was also a war that had killings. The Russia-Ukraine war involves killing. Holocaust involved killing. Every war down history involved killing. What does INTERNATIONAL LAW SAY ABOUT THE RUSSO-UKRAINE WAR?
“The Palestinian cause is not a cause for Palestinians only, but a cause for every honest person living in this planet.” ~ GHASSAN KANAFANI
The Palestinian issue is diplomatic issue. What hamas has made out of Gaza proves beyond doubt that power and wealth is their motive and humanity has never been their priority
Of course ! How would we respond if we were in those shoes ?
Another fascinating and riveting interview … and not an easy one when you are examining moral issues. Congratulations Mr Thapar. This was brilliant.
This was fabulous.🍃 Thank you, Professor Pappe, Karan Sir & The Wire.
Thank you, Mr. Thapar and Mr. Pappe, for this very interesting interview.
Professor Pappe Is a treasure of knowledge. Along with Edward Said, Ghassan Kanafani and Rashid Khalidi they shaped my generation's understanding of Palestine
According to many US military analysts IDF was responsible for over 80% civilian casualties on Oct 7
Not only the American even Israeli analysts and some media platforms like famous Israeli newspaper Haaretz and others have the same conclusions.
can you provide link please, this is very important news, many thanks
I read eyewitness accounts from October 7 and quotes from IDF officers confirming this … English translations of Israeli news sources …at
The Cradle an online West Asia platform
This is a very comprehensive discussion. The aspect of military, industrial, and politicians corrupt nexus need more elaboration.
Thanks Karan brought another renowned personality
An objective and frank discussion with proper context and causes of the narrative Israel and western countries propagate and advance throughout the world.
Very good reporting
Respect!
Great show. ❤❤❤
Thankyou Karan, for some of the sane voices that you bring on your program. Professor Ilan Pappe is one of them. The people in power in the western governments particularly U.S that backs Israel with their blind beliefs gives a very pessimistic picture if the status quo remains.
Thanks
Awesome Karan. Go ahead.
the most neutral interview showing the truthof Israelian barbarianism
👌Professor Ilan Pappe.
For people who don't know, Prof. Ilan Pape is an Israeli Jewish scholar, not an outsider. Some other scholars of the same background are Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein. Look them up
Ilan Pappe is a generation voice.
Excellent interview by both participants...end the apartheid in Palestine....
Excellent interview as usual.
One question: should we not more directly call out the UK for the colonial mischief it played in Palestine as well in other erstwhile colonies such as India, leaving divided and embittered communities and races through their divisive and manipulative policies all meant to benefit their Empire?
The UK rarely takes any responsibility for the chaos they have often deliberately caused.
Before 1950-55 accepted principle was might is right and mighty will decide on all political matters. The Europeans were mighty and whatever they decided was Fait-accomply for rest like India partition, division of Arab countries.
My full support
My thoughts:
Jealousy is the root cause of all evil. People are jealous of each other for pity material gains.
Personally, and I am probably a minority, if Ilan Pappe was our president, we probably were not in the situation we are now. As a Jew and an Israeli, and someone who lived abroad for long periods of time, I think Israel should follow the steps of other countries who overcame apartheid problem. If Arabs and Jews can coexist peacefully in Canada, America and other countries, why can't they here, in Israel? Of course they can. Evil can be bred and nourished in closed off, dark corners. If we were one country, the righteous energy of good people would offset any rising of evil and malicious intent in others. It is easy for a human mindset to throw bombs over someone whom you don't see daily face to face, but one would not casually do it for a neighbor.
Overcoming an Apartheid problem, opening hearts and borders, gradually, letting go of the Zionist ideology of "Israel is exclusively for Jews", having democratic values and providing equal opportunities for people from all backgrounds - we can move towards a peaceful society. I hope it is not too late though...
If it can be done in Canada, in America, in Europe why can't it be achieved in Israel? I believe it can be.
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Finally karan caught up wd illan pape .
मैं एक पत्रकार हूं, "यह हमारा नया न्यूज़ प्लेटफार्म है", आप सब के सहयोग की आवश्यकता है, हम सत्य के साथ है 🤲🤲🤲🇮🇳🇮🇳
Subanallah
So far best interview to understand the real issues of current state of war . Thank You Karan
Good report
Rightly said
The dilemma is not “ literally staring at our face “. It is figuratively doing that.
A rare slip up by Karan!
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The COLONIAL MENTALITY of the UN will never declare a PALESTINIAN SOVEREIGN STATE, why? Palestinian natural gas field??
When late leader Yasser Arafat celebrated this discovery, he described the field as "a gift from God to the Palestinian people".
Wonderful
Thanks!
Live and let live.
India will never stand by the side of Adharma.
Dharma is constant. Karma is inevitable.
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshatah.
Satyamev Jayate!🪷
Jai Hind! 🫡
Sirs, an over riding fact of this conflict is that it is not a normal or traditional war.On one side is the traditional army,the other side is a semi-trained army with small arms and rockets whose barracks are the underground tunnels in residential areas. And that makes the whole war an extremely complicated scene with immense collateral and civilian destruction. There is no template for this new type of war.
Prof.Ilan Pappe himself is Jew and a Israeli Historian.
Just like Mosab Hassan Yousef who was part of Hamas. Would u consider his version authentic?
@@FreddieMurphy746 Mosab Hasan was not but his father was the member of Hamas, and Mosab was teenager how can you compare a teenager to a professor.
@@HHasan-of2vi Professors play the worst kind of politics and they are the best lobbyists. They shape the young and vulnerable minds as per their own world view. Mosab Hassan Yousef was a Muslim and he changed his stance after seeing things from such close quarter.
@@FreddieMurphy746 Ya lot of professors backing government blindly and lobbying for them but few professors stand for Justice and unbiased likes of Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and others.
@@HHasan-of2vi Justice and unbiased is a subjective word. This professor is a biased individual. He speaks ur language, hence, u r advocating his stance, if he was even remotely neutral u would have used different adjectives. Karan knows that his audience is now majority Mullahs, hence, his guests and his stand completely favors u guys
The continuing existence of the Original trunk render the branches secondary, rather duplicate, everywhere in the world.
And naturally the branches hate the trunk and set to annihilate the trunk. That is the moral.
Try to invite yuval noah harrari. We want to hear you and him as he is working as the ambassador of this conflict which is exceptional and unexpected from him.
TO begin with coming across a fluctuating Ocean of faiths and beliefs and later after 1938.the idea of land occupation in Arabean Peninsula for gas. and fuel combined to make different proposition and come in to play a vital role for endless fight for endlesstime.
I really connot believe the world is allowing this massacre
Shame on west, so called human rights champions. Israel is a clear example of west colonial thinking.
would appreciate if Mr thapar plays devil's advocate thru atleast part of the interview, would help.
Karan I always watch your program. Thanks for your excellent work. I feel bad when children & innocent people are killed. While going through the reason of 2nd world war Hitler says clearly I am leaving some Jews for you to realize what they can do to this world. Do you think that he was right?
Ofcourse not!. His madness and now Netanyahu's madness. Netanyahu has become Hitler2.0 .If honest media calls Netanyahu as Hitler 2.0 alteast this current genocide might be halted.
you appear to be an educated muslim, a rarity in todays world, however, I am confused over what I found in another chat group, I wonder if you could please help me understand this text . Many thanks
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
@@gopinathkumar I personally condemn human slaughter. It's shameful to all of us.
@@shaffaqjamil3487 I was hoping you would explain Sahih al-Bukhari 2926.
Sachwala ji who is also called Quranwala says.........."Quran k allah aur quran k shaitan ek hai".
To my mind that is a very damning comment, it is making muslims out to be an evil people who worship the Devil.
@@shaffaqjamil3487 you also said in your comment......"I personally condemn......."
do you mean to say you don't agree with what the hadith is saying and personally you have a different viewpoint ? which begs the question, are you an ex muslim too ?
Need to protect Palestinian. Israel is an occupire and must return the land of Palestinian.
@Karan, i don't think it is a war. According to.the international law. It is an occupation, more brutal.than what the British did to us. Our fight was never called a freedom fight. This is a fight against colonizer
AIPAC is powerful. I agreed
would have liked them to elaborate upon the "neoliberal military-industrial complex"
All we have to do about moral issues is to get serious about The Golden Rule, and then insist on our own moral behavior.
1) What Modi's India should have done if Pakistani sponsored terrorist might have killed 1400 innocent Indian civilians?
2) what Manmohan's India would have done in the same context, if it were the case?
You're comparing two vastly different scenarios. Israel has implemented a brutal blockade and siege of Gaza for the past 17 years and bombs them every few years causing civilian deaths and extensive damage to civilian infrastructure that is difficult to be rebuilt over and over
Will you suggest us how people see situation in ilegaly occupied Palestine? World is not stupid. We see what is going and why since 1967. (even decades earlier) There are war crimes and genocidec inflicted by Israelis to Indigenous Palestinian Arabs Muslims and Christians .
THERE IS NO EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN OPPRESSED AND OPPRESSORS FOR 75 YEARS.
algo
Moral is big word and no relevance in this conflict. Karmas are result of karma
But what if these civilian infrastructure is used as military bases from which Hamas is launching its attacks? What should Israel do? Seriously, answer
Ethnic cleansing is on in India as well.
The US allows people from numerous countries into their country, regardless of ethnicity, to the extent that they have a huge population diverse ethnicity.
Barre Sagir ke her miskeen ko sirf protest karna chahiye as Arabs doesn’t care what they say or do.
'Hamas' just did the same thing which 'India' did 'against' Pak on 27 Feb 2019 lol. West didnt find anything 'wrong' in that, they must not feel anything is 'wrong' here too 😁
jihadi decepticon spotted 😂
90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to India in 1971, India let them off without killing them. Hamas is a terror group. US & Israel will deal with it
Could the partition of India in 1947 have been prevented? I don't think so! Was partition of India in 1947 inevitable?
Have a glance without bias!
Mr. Jinnah declared 16 August 1946 as "Direct Action Day", also known as Great Calcutta killings. The day was basically a call for the minorities to unite and ask for a separate state based on religion. Mr. Jinnah wanted to turn his two nation theory into a reality. Muslim League tried to interfere in the business affairs of Indian National Congress. The violence got more cruel and the following week is known as "Week Of Long Knives". Congress tried to stop and cooperate, but every effort was a failure. In the end, the only option left was to accept the two nation theory.
The British played the "Divide and Rule" policy so well, that yes, the partition was indeed inevitable.
The riots were so barbaric that partition at this point was inevitable.
The Partition was inevitable.
While a cursory reading of history seems to indicate that it was a snap decision, a more detailed reading would reveal that it has been in the works since early 1940s.
In the aftermath of WW II, the British belatedly realised that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had begun to get out of their control through the 1940s. Further Britain deep in wartime debt, simply couldn’t afford to hold on to India and its other colonies.
The seeds of Partition were sown long ago. As early as 1940s, Winston Churchill hoped that majorities-minorities antagonism would remain “a bulwark of British rule in India”. The British-supervised elections in 1937 and 1946, which the Congress won easily, only hardened minority identity. In the 1946 elections, the Congress Party leaders refused to share power with Mr. Jinnah, confident that they did not need minority support in order to win a majority vote in elections. These attitudes stoked minority fears that the secular nationalism of Gandhi and Nehru was a cover for Hindu dominance.
By 1946, Mr. Jinnah had managed to present himself as the best defender of minority interests in a Hindu-dominated India.
The Congress party claimed that it represented 400 million people. Minorities politicians, Mr. Jinnah in particular saw the Congress as a party representing upper caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for the hundred million minorities who were spread across the entire country. At first, Nehru and a few other Congress Party leaders dismissed the idea of Pakistan as a joke. Mr. Jinnah ordered mass strikes across India, which morphed into majorities v/s minorities riots. In August, 1946, four thousand residents of Calcutta died within 3 days. It was frenzied violence which spun out of control. Retaliatory killings around the country followed especially in Punjab and Bengal. Gandhi failed with his non-violence approach even with the Congress Party. Many of the congress leaders spoke openly of civil war.
It was under these conditions that Mounbatten arrived in Feb 1947 with a clear mandate to transfer power to the Indians in 15 months. He had to figure out how to transfer power and to whom! He didn’t have the time to understand the prevailing Indian politics. He slowly started working his way with the key politicians and suggested the Partition. Starting with Nehru other congress leaders like Patel and Rajaji, slowly accepted the idea of Pakistan. Finally even Gandhi has to relent despite his resistance to the idea of Pakistan.
The transition was not easy as several religious and ethnic minorities like the Pashtuns, Sikhs, Baluchis demanded independence. Mounbatten managed to defuse most of the secessionist movements. After enough wrangling and some torturous negotiations during May 1947 the Indian leaders agreed for the Partition.
It seems the British saw partition along religious lines as the quickest way to exit. The British were eager to divide and quit and the Indian politicians were too eager to enjoy power.
Had the congress leaders not agreed to Partition, we would have had a civil war (with violence in Punjab and Bengal escalating) and the British were content to be just spectators. We would have had more ethnic strife.
Hence Partition was inevitable. In retrospect, it could have been implemented better.
Very abruptly in June 1947, Mounbatten/Britishers announced August 1947 as the date for the transfer of power. No reasons to advance the date was provided. Perhaps he just wanted to run away from India. A London barrister - Clyde Radcliffe was flown to India and just given 40 days to define the political geography of India flanked by 2 wings - West Pakistan and East Pakistan.
No one had prepared for a massive transfer of population. Trains carried nothing but corpses and British soldiers were confined to the barracks. Punjab witnessed ethnic cleansing.
It is a different matter that the 2 nation theory wasn’t realised as envisaged in its original form. The current generation of the subcontinent paying the price of their good-for-nothing older generation for hastily cutting India that had tens of thousands of unique civilization and culture.
And what are the youth of India doing?
Mr. Karan When you interview about a sensitive and serious matter like this You should call people who are with integrity. You should not think because this guy is called professor of international studies, he is well-versed in history. I feel sorry for his students because I don't know how many times, he taught wrong history to them.
Regarding Israel you should know that the state of Israel is not newly created one in 1948. The state of Israel was originally established in 1020 B.C and the first king of Israel was Saul. In 980 B.C, David became the second king of Israel. In 973 B.C, King David conquered the city of Jerusalem from the Jebusites and made it his capital city. King Solomon the wise the son of King David became the 3rd King in 940 B.C. The borders of the Kingdom extended from River Euphrates to Mediterranean Sea and from Mount Hermon to Eilat. In 900 B.C the Kingdom was split into two. The Northern Kingdom retained the name Israel, and the Southern Kingdom was named Judah. Jerusalem the capital remained with Judah. Israel was defeated by Assyrian King Salmanazar in 721 B.C Judah was defeated by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. The Jews lived in small numbers in and around Jerusalem after that. A famous place of worship was there from 933 B. C. to 586 B.C and from 510 B.C to 70 A.D. In 4 B. C the former kingdom of Israel was divided into various tetrarchies like Judea, Galilee, Idumea, and Decapolis federation. Titus the Roman General and son of Emperor Vespasian destroyed Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple taking thousands of Jews as captives to Rome. From there they migrated to all countries of Europe and the USA and Russia. When they encountered tribulation in various countries of Europe and Russia, they wanted to return to their homeland Israel. A small number of Jews continued to live in Israel. In 135 A. D the Roman Emperor renamed Israel as Syria Palestina. After 3rd century A. D it came under Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantines. Crusaders and Mamluks, Ottoman Turks and the British ruled the land one after the other. Hitler's genocide of the Jews which was called holocaust strengthened the zeal and desire of the Jews to reestablish their homeland and they did it on 14th May 1948.
Bjp government in India is not allowing demonstrations in support of Filastinis which is against st tge long time stand
Some topics need frequent repetition, because remarkably few have actually understood, not just what really happened - which non of us will ever fully find out - but how deliberate misrepresentation and instrumentalisation of events have been abused to manipulate our collective perception in order to create legimisation for rampant ethnic cleansing with genocidal characteristics.
The following short list is in no way absolute, but provides enough information for further investigation and fact checking, even if you're already informed.
The "40 beheaded babies"-lie was started by david ben zion.
Most 7.Oct-damage was caused by hellfire missiles and tank shells.
apache helicopters shot at unidentified targets (civilians) at the festival and Gaza border.
Listen to the testimony of surviving hostages and military personnel:
Yasmin Porat, Hadas Dagan, Lieutenant Colonel Nof Erez, Lt. Col. Golan Vach, etc.
Historian Ilan Pappé is one of the best sources to understand *all* events leading to the political situation, some which others ignore, that are crucial.
Also David Sheen is a great source of analysis of contemporary polititics.
The GrayZone is one of the leading investigative news outlets.
Ukraine
Jews wanted to comeback to the land of their forefathers after a long gap what is wrong with that? For example, if NRIs want to come back to India say after 1000 years are they not welcome to come back? Suppose if India has become a Muslim majority nation at that time will the NRI Hindus be welcomed? People do hold some bonds to their ancient lands and ancient cultures. People need to respect that as long as it is done lawfully
Would Nakba have happened if Palestine had accepted the formation of Israel in 1948?
But the Nakba didn't happen lawfully did it? If the land belongs to Palestinians what right do the European zionists have over it? If they drove millions out of their homes? It's so obvious that there are no moral or logical grounds on which the existence of Israel can be explained. It only exists because the British colonizers decided to further their interests. Even Jews against Zionism are harassed in Israel. Zionism is an occupying ideology birthed by white supremacists. And who the hell do the British think they are to form governments on other people's lands?
Does that not mean that the blood of the 39 babies is on the heads of evangelicals, never mind their much trumpeted "good news"?
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Please ask professor to speak his mind on Israeli TV. Professor please tell USA to keep its dirty nose out of the happenings in Gaza/Israel.
Not so much importance given to Ukraine Russia war
We just explain away Isreal genocide
You speak of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
What are the Japanese saying about the Israel-Hamas matter?
Although it was unfortunate, Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened because
1) Pearl Harbour incident.
2) Because of other incidents of Japanese havoc in the Pacific Ocean.
But Japan has now emerged as a strong and responsible nation to be appreciated
Romolia Thapar was telling History wont be kind to Modi, now you are talking Morals values etc etc but not historical place of nethnahu U N chief clarified Misquoted what about Clarification??
What did the earlier inhabitants of Israel do to develop the region?
The same region of Israel has been so highly developed by the Israelites.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HEZBULLA?
What is the purpose of AL QAEDA?
What is the purpose of the 2 Mujahideens?
What is the purpose of ISIS?
What is the purpose of all the terrorist organisations around the world.
Hamas is one of the most dangerous terrorist organisations around the world yet Karan Thapar show have never condemned Hamas in spite of seeing how Hamas worked towards terrorism.
I think two state solution is the only way to go considering various historical events that have taken place in 1900s which caused the formation of Israel and subsequent wars. But will Palestinians be content with two state solution of Israel and the West Bank as Palestine or will they still keep attacking Israel inspite of having their own state is a million dollar question..!!? My guess is hatred for Jews and Israel is so ingrained in the radical Muslim minds that they will still wage a war against Israel which again will create problem in the West Bank now that it is easy to smuggle weapons into West Bank from Iran through Iraq, Syria and Jordan. It looks like an eternal war. Anyway we are seeing the real face of radical Islam.
You talk like white people defending apartheid in South Africa, who said that black people will kill all the whites there. I am sure that AB de Villiers and Quinton de Kock have not died.
You are projecting the Racist attitudes of the Israelis onto the oppressed Palestinian people. From the very arrival of the Zionists their nefarious plan was to drive the indigenous Palestinian Arabs from Palestine for the purity of creating a Jewish State. The antisemitism that developed was a result of the Jews own ruthless behavior, in which they used God as their righteous shield they hid behind. If they had come and just lived in peace perhaps all the years of bloodshed on both sides might not have occurred. Israel is strong enough to right those past wrongs, but instead they continue their Apartheid policies and aggression. You can not find peace while standing on another people's backs.
Good English speaking and political correctness is not realty
palestine iran and pok will be history. land will be returned to rightful owners Jews Parsis and Pondits respectively. 😊
Why are you mocking them, at least spell Pandits correctly😂.
What is the total population of Parsis in India? I mean in Mumbai😉. Increasing or decreasing??
थप्पड साहब गांधी जी का चरखा लेकर चले आऑ आप सब शान्ति हो जाऐगी😃😃😃
“CAA is unfair; why don’t you treat all religions equally?”… “UCC is unfair; how can you treat all religions on equal footing?”…
Double standard; double-tongued; dubious intellectual with complete absence of integrity and logic!
GUETERES WAS CERTAINLY WRONG.
The UN document did not mention HAMAS, the catalyst of this crisis. Why?
This war is about Israel and Hamas, the terrorist organisation as well as Hezbulla. Why was Hamas not mentioned as a terrorist organisation? Do the support Hamas? Are they afraid of Hamas?
WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT MENTIONING SPECIFICALLY THE NAME OF HAMAS?
Why has Hezbulla been created?
papee is absolutely wrong. Israel is doing right. love from India
I see Blinken’s statement as pain and helplessness. It is an expression of pain that civilians are suffering.
Can you TELL HAMAS TERRORISTS TO SURRENDER FOR THE HUMANITARIAN CAUSE?
Fortunately history will be written by sane people like you both rather than the power-hungry leaders
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Karan needs to get the historical facts correct before falling for propagandist .-
Every body works for national interest. Israel with US help will destroy Jihadi terror Hamas, India should learn from this. Israel has also offered 1 lakh job visas to India. There are reports UAE has supplied arms to Israel, will India also do it?
While talking about 1967 also talk about 2005.
No moral issues are raised,
when even after 1971 to this day 75 lakhs of hindu bengalis are forced to flee leaving lands and properties in mungalistan ( bangladesh ).
Where govt. alone vested some 16 and a half millions acres or 6640 sq. Kms of hindu land, in mungalistan ( bangladesh )
In 71, it was essentially hindu bengali genocide to the tune of thousands and thousands and women raped in mass, not only by pakistan army but also by a large section of bengali speaking muslims in east pakistan., as reported by Blood, the then American consulate general in east pakistan by a telegram to the then president Nixon and kisinger, sighned by 22 other consulate employees.
And a book has been written by Gary. J Bass named " Blood Telegram "
Both the followers of so called hinduthava party and seculars keep a deafening silence over the matter.
Guju vai doing bussiness and secus only agenda is to protect muslims.
But time is changeing.
So I personally is very happy that ihudis teaching the muslims a good lesson for the savagery of muslims.
Thap thap thaper has no moral issues,he is just conditioned as explained by PAVLOV, to react whenever he perceive muslims are in danger even ib thousands miles away.
Islam is problem please understand Mr Thaper
And the “NEW” Germany that Israel approved of is a far better and prosperous Germany than what it was under Hitler or Bismarck.
So Israel did make the correct decision of looking forward than harp on looking backwards.
I think that was great of Israel recognising the New GERMANY.
They should have divided west Germany and given it Nazi Holocaust victims. But instead UNO went ahead and divided a country that had noting to di with Holocaust
France has sent a fully equipped ship hospital
The biblical dimensions will play out if it has to and no one can stop it.
If someone is giving wrong information, they can do facts check or other forms of verification
We support Israel because Bharath is also victim of attack, conversion, loot for the 1000 years by the Muslim invaders.
Israel is fighting evil
I stand with Israel
Palestinians will be brought back, Israel has said so but Israel certainly needs to be watchful
Israel has cautioned and asked the civilian people of Palestine to move to safe zones where humanitarian relief is provided, and the people were aware that Hamas tunnels were going to be target regions.
Israel has right to defend itself not only for current events BUT NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT SUCH FUTURE EVENTS DON’T HAPPEN AGAIN.
The difficulties now is to secure future of Israel as well as future of Palestinian civilians.
Yes and after asking Palestinian to move to space place they bomb that very site.
An oppressor can never have any right for self defence because it is the aggressor and perpetrator in this whole situation.
And according to latest reuter news the death toll of israelis have not only reduced but found to be those if military personnel than civilians
So the answer to solve the problem is Hamas, is it?
Netanyahu is a strong politician so he cannot be written off but it depends largely on the Israelites to support or denounce him in the future.
37:20 The Palestinians wanted to kill the American volunteers who were risking their life to help them. Says a lot about them. Karan sees benevolence of Palestinians in this also.... delusional.
Mahabharata was also a war that had killings.
The Russia-Ukraine war involves killing.
Holocaust involved killing.
Every war down history involved killing.
What does INTERNATIONAL LAW SAY ABOUT THE RUSSO-UKRAINE WAR?
Every country does divide and rule and the professor would too if given a chance.
Speculation by Ian Pappe about Sainai.
Can you TELL HAMAS TERRORISTS TO SURRENDER FOR THE HUMANITARIAN CAUSE?