Central Hall with Kapil Sibal, E01: Dr Subramanian Swamy on the State of the Economy
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
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In the first of a series of casual conversations with politicians, jurists and subject experts, Kapil Sibal, a former minister of Human Resource Development and Telecoms speaks to Dr Subramanian Swamy, economist and former Union minister for Commerce.
Central Hall refers to a space for civilised conversation, an endangered commodity in our times.
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The crossover we wanted but never expected 😂
May be that's the beauty of it all 😊
Modi hai to mumkin hai 😢😂
Greed can unite enemies to fight together
@@nm5269yes . Moody ji's greed can unite enemies together.
@@gkontop haha last me jese bola swami ki We both should be in Cabinate thts proof
And jese ye gyan dera h sibbal he was in Cabinate for 10 years what policies he made to push Manufacturing
Just bcz of so called Secularism and Anti modi people, Common sense mar gaya h 🤣
Thanks you #The Wire
I have huge respect for these 2 Gentlemen and Scholars….
i have huge respect for you. will you send some money over ?😅
This is the kind of politicians we need .... they represent different parties but still respect eachother.....
saibal sir not political...he is more advocate than politician....he talks loopholes in law and how bjp interprating those loopholes politically.
They don't have party!!!!
They are tired of bitter fighting, ab thande hain
Once Subbu was a congressi.
To destroy the country
This is the first time I'm witnessing Subramanian Swamy show respect in his eyes towards the interviewer. Both are eminent players in the internal game with immense knowledge.
One of the best discussions I have seen on indian economy. This really helped me get a sense of current state of our economy. Please do more such deep dives on economy, social aspects, foreign policy etc. Thanks
The final added comment of Dr Swamy’s was great!!when there are many paid media that have a big role in India the Wire deserves the credit for this true and transparent discussion!
Biassed*
It’s leftist media.
@@saurabhshinde3540tq madarassa
Wire is not paid a d biased media 😂?
@@leo5927It's a paid media by George soros
Nice.... Never expected these two to be on the same platform discussing important issues so amicably.. a ray of hope
Just for modi hatred.
Though Im not a fan, I admire Dr.Swamy's ability to SPEAK bitter TRUTH for the larger benefit!
Grapes are savour.out of power hunger for power .Above seventy five ?? Nothing positive they can do.Negativrly yes ,Kapil can do .Kapil greatest number one ??? Exporter of beef ,people say.Great economist !!!!!!!!! ?????
nope - all these dont matter anymore.
both the guys are aggrieved and over aged unfit for anything productive but absolutely counter prductive.
Thank you, The Wire.
Three broad takeaways for someone like me who may not understand much about the complexities of the economy:
1. The service sector may be contributing a lot (21:09) but we need to grow in different sectors, and not just manufacturing but also to look at agriculture with a fresh perspective.
2. The suggestion regarding the MSMEs (26:25) and the couple of suggestions on Indian economy for 2024 and beyond (27:41) seem practical and feasible, should be considered by the government.
3. NASA (01:45) never did any research regarding use of Sanskrit. It was one Mr. Rick Briggs, who worked with that organisation and published a paper in 1985 in his own capacity. Briggs suggested that a 'natural language' can serve as an 'artificial language' also, and for which he gives examples from Sanskrit grammar, but he does not claim that that 'natural language' is Sanskrit. What is clear is that his paper titled 'Knowledge Representation in Sanskrit and Artificial Intelligence' was published in the spring issue of Artificial Intelligence magazine, which has nothing to do with NASA. As a viewer, therefore, I would like to focus on the other issues put forth by the discussants regarding the AI.
Thank you.
Linguistics defines Natural Language, of which there are many.
In contrast , Linguistics also defines Artificial Language.
If business grows in one direction, it reduces somewhere else. Equilibrium
Excellent conversation....Got to know about the thoughts about the Indian economy at present moment is really shocking!! and feels that India should rethink on economic growth as said by Dr.Subramanian Swamy... It was great learning !! to know the facts which was discussed in the interview and questions putforth by Kapil Sibal Ji... Respect Sirs!!!
My ideas about Dr. Subramanian Swamy has totally changed. Very honest and clear exchange of ideas and knowledge.
He was like this before also.
Ramakrishna paramhamsa once said ...that when pravachan is given ignorant people will have an understanding and if the guru happens to tell that same understanding then then immediately the guru will look like a enlightened person...
S.. Not like anpads in bluejp😅
You had no idea !
What a economic session... I had made notes of this discussion... Literally from repo rate to gdp saving to nation debt to federal structure to internal liberalisation...❤
This discussion is very much required to be addressed and published massively and reaches the majority of people, so that our beloved people can understand the gravity of the situations worsened. Thanks. Good enlightenment and I too agree to both understanding and facts addressed. Vijay Nair from Bengaluru 🙏🙏
Thanks
Very nice initiative! Sir, please popularise it. GDP doubled in the last 10 years, before this it had doubled in the last 6 years and before that in the last 7 years. Please spread this truth and also ask your party to do it.
Now do that analysis for world gdp especially BRICS, india was worst uncle under MMS
Who would have thought that Sibal ji would be interviewing Dr Swami 🎉. Awesome 👍
Really like a bolt from the blue.
@@desiruth yeah bro 😲
Weird indeed...a politician from one party interviewing the one from the other in government and agreeing together in almost everything....
Needs of the time - or should I say desperate need of the hour
@@Jeff-Mrthey both agree our economy is facing a serious crisis
Heartening to see 2 intellectuals discussing Indian economy after a long time. Don't know how many people will take it seriously but its a fact that our economy is in SERIOUS state and it needs immediate attention from COMPETENT PEOPLE...
Very interesting and useful discussion, love it.
we need these kind of intellectual discussions..
Hardly we see these now a days...Blindly supporting the wrong people will destroy this great country
Worth my 30 mins!! What a good conversation starting with hottest topic in the world regarding AI. People of India should open their eyes and see how inept out present government is and steering India towards an economic downturn!!
From Pak🕊I’m a huge fan Dr. Swamy. I always make sure to watch his talk shows they are so insightful. Wish I can meet him in person, seems a distant dream though. Thank you to the Sir K. Sibil also for such a wonderful programme.
@qqqquus I have & I know…it’s his opinion & I don’t mind. I have said in my comment that I watch his talk shows.
Since when? He was and is was to destabilize pok and get pok? It's strange that Pakis praising him?
Wish they were a part of Pakistan it would be fantastic for Pakistan.
Very good conversation and very valuable insights from two great experts.Thank you both of you.
The simple fact that Mr Swamy says he is the only one that knows economics n can save the economy in a country of 1.4 B people is enough to know the credibility of him and his intentions..
I agree to your observations and plus I know his historical background in Indian politics.
😂
After the interview with Smita Prakash, Kapil Subal has gained a fan! Subscribed to his channel!
Beautiful discussion,very useful and educating for all
viewers.have many more discussions like this for the benefit of all.
This is when you have people who are both brilliant.
Thankyou so much.
Hearing something sensible after a long time. Keep the program going
Yes his line about mandir and oppression by minority was the peak of this
@@subhamkumarsingh5667 No doubt he is communal when it comes to politics. But his views on economics are sensiblle.
@@mohammedkoduvamparambath4271Allah ka kamal. Iski bacchi ek musalmaan ke saath humbistari ki aur nikah kiya , lekin phir yeh Hindu musalmaan se nafrat karta tha. Ab kaise line par aa geya hai. Sabr rakhein , 10 se 12 saal main Islam mazboot hoga aur hamari haalat 2013 se pehle wali ho jayegi.
@@aadilansari5997Islam majboot nahi barbad hona hai tension Mt lo
Which 'Cloud Cuckoo Land' do these people come from ?
Where there is NO such thing as the Government, Responsibility, Accountability anywhere, what are they talking about?
It gives me hope seeing both these eminent personalities coming together to discuss the economy at this very critical juncture. Our economy needs to change directions and revive itself to enable prosperity for hundreds of millions of Indians.
No wonder they are old pal !
To be critic is damn easy than being dedicated-to-nation performer. Pitty they think only the 'Two' are capable experts.
Future of well being as well as strong economy depends on agriculture. When reforms attempted by Modi there was protests all over north india, supported by foreign funds
@@Madraswala Modi himself no idea about farm reform who advised him Ajit marathe
@@JayantBarve let us hope for more eminent persons both from within the BJP and from the opposition parties coming together and working towards some economic solutions. We need it badly today.
Davos and IMF was forcing that bill on India .and the clown who brought the economy on its knees by notebandi and poor structuring of GST was forcing on farmers @@Madraswala if u are a farmer then u can see through prism
Fantastic interview! Income Tax abolition is a game changing idea👍
My vote will goto whoever promises the abolition of Income taxes this coming LokSabha Elections. Which party can do it?
Parting comment that "you and I should be in Govt!" Is telling. Well done Wire. Very good piece on Indian economy's real state - look forward to such sane debates in future
Frankly that proved this whole conversation is knowledgeable rantings by two disgruntled old men.
How intelligent people talk without teleprompter or behind radios. Excellent and contemporary brilliance.
Modi is far clever than both of them.
Both of these c;an't e;ven collect 1000 people in public.
Modi is mass-leader.
You are just praising Swamy probably because you are Tamil or Tambram
Swamy is very close to Rajapaksa Family
He has his role in 2009
It was great experience listening to Mr Sibbal and Mr Swamy who are great brains available in country. Good beginning, it would be more interesting to see them discuss wide ranging issue's even those where both Mr Sibbal and Mr Swamy might have differing stand.
2 corrupt brains of India
The most needed economic and political discussions like this between centre left and centre right in Indian politics. 💥
Though Im not a fan, I admire Dr.Swamy's ability to SPEAK bitter TRUTH for the larger benefit!
Great start by the Wire. Refreshing and informative. Kapil sir doff my hat at you. Cool and calm no shouting yelling just intelligent conversation
First time I enjoyed such Eye opening talk with so much clarity n sense by both Harvard graduates ,no doubt people want to come here n study.
What I infer from this unique interview. Firstly, appreciate the way query put across by Mr Kabil was apt, fantastic and level playing. Started with AI and ended with unemployment solution MSME etc., - it's inversely proposnal. I remeber at this point of time how we lost Mr Raghuram Rajan - and reason how, why from where Mr Dos came from. The 80/20 formula apply less than 20 percent holds 80 percent of Indian Economy. Say India inc. it doesn't flow beyond that. It's clear India contribute for Global Economy like Amazon, Wallmart, Google, Apple on tax concessions. These 4 companies Revenue is more than Indian economy and then to India Inc. If this being a case how the per capita income will grow. Disappointment is both the legends failed/forgot/ignored about Indian Farming and it's Economy which was suppose to be the 68 percent contribution for our economy as it was ore independence.....anyway🎉😊😢...
So Independent,impartial thoughts in todays godi media era.Dr. subramaniam swamyji is.Yours rich experience is need of hour.
We need liberty
We really enjoyed so informative discussions on the present state of economy of our country between Mr.Kapil Sibal & Dr.Subramanian Swamy.
ये दोनों महानुभाव काफी समय तक सरकार का हिस्सा रहे हैं। सरकार में रहते हुए अर्थव्यवस्था के लिए कितना योगदान दिया ? बैठ कर लंबी लंबी फैंकना आसान होता है परंतु वास्तव में देश के लिए कुछ योगदान देना मुश्किल होता है।
Great discussion. So informative. Praying for you gentlemen.
@@yuvrajverma1393इन महानुभाव ने ही भारत की आर्थिक व्यवस्था को आगे बढाया। आज जो ग्रोथ देख रहे हैं, उसके बीज तो मनमोहन सिंह और नरसिम्हा राव ने बोए थे। अटल जी का भी बहुत बड़ा योगदान था।
यूपीए के काल में ग्रोट ७ प्रतिश थी जो आज के रेट से बोहत अधिक थी।
Sir what’s the book called that Dr swamy is referring to that he has written and indicated at the economic charts. Pls share
30 minutes is more than 30 university lectures. Well, Done Sri. Kapil Sibal Ji and Dr Subramanian Swamy. Expecting more lectures. First time I found someone even better than Karan, you were calm and effective.
Please dont criticise karan thapar. I think karan sir is english version of ravish kumar
Which university?
WhatsApp university😂😂
@@shankars4281 Almost all except JNU.
@@shankars4281 😂 modi whatsapp University
Now that sibbal lost all cases, he is trying to find another occupation
I have been waiting for this combo finally 🎉
Such a great conversation, filled with knowledge and intellectual toughts
Sure he is reiterating, what he said earlier, it was Dr Manmohan Singh ji alone, who understood the economy and was an asset to the nation. Modi economic policies are disastrous.
Look at the economy's growth rate in the last few years of the UPA. Google it. It was a disaster.
India was one of the fragile five.
Now, it is one of the top 5.
@@hammer67459 Huge NPAs in the Banking Sector. Gave loans to Vijay Mallya kind of people. Total Mismanagement of the Public Sector Banks during UPA.
😂lol haha
@@hammer67459yea of course, Sitaraman and NaMo have done more for our economy than Dr Manmohan Singh and PV Narasimha Rao.
Wonderful Sibbal! I liked this conversation. I hope more in the coming days
It is wonderful and joyful to hear two of the erudite and anarchists of our times.
😂😂😂😂
Haha.
Soo true.
I was shocked to see that swamy has descended to such heights
Best part was hw kapil sided the mandir argument
@@subhamkumarsingh5667 anarchist was purposely used and in the positive way...
Yes. or else, who can help a gov asking ILLITERATE POPULATION to help RING-UTENSILS to scare away corona/covid virus !
"We need personalities like them on the Upfront stage." Very nice discussions.
very very good that 2bright well known persons from opposite party coming on together and able to discuss country's issue thank god and hoping more and more like this discussion happens showing that india can lead the universe . 😀
Need more of this conversation to uplift the level of arguments in our country.
Supreme Conversations
Many thanx The Wire for bringing these two geniuses on the same platform.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Dr. subramanian might have polarising opinions that align with the ruling party with respect to the atrocities currently taking place in India against minorities. I belong to one. Be as it may, you cannot deny the absolute knowledge he glows with, economic maestro as he is, he is the definition of a great politician. I love how they do not align on most of the current regime’s decisions with respect to minorities but still are so beautifully celebrated for the knowledge they hold within their respected fields. Amazing interview. New found respect for Dr. Subramanian. This comes from a minority member of the population haha
Very healthy and good conversation, I appreciate. Again Mr. Sibbal keeping it on track. Thanks for proper convey...
Loved to see Mr Sibal in this new format
I love when intellectuals have a conversation its just so enlightening!
One of the best conversation in a very long time 🙏
The conversation we always wanted but never thought would happen finally took place😄
What a great discussion!. Cant expect such from mainstream media.
It's great to witness two stalwarts discussing the Indian economy. Worth watching
Two Hypocrites. 👎👎
😂
Mr.Subraminam Swami is very intellectual and refined personality of our country..This interview was legit informative and immense knowledgeable to hear👏🏻!!
I always consider you very mature and seasoned Person to see you on this public platform😊
One of the best discussion after a long time. Both speakers throwing light not dogfight. Economy and legality together. 🙏 🙏
Thank you Kapil Saab and Swaamy Ji. That's a great conversation. Thoroughly enjoyed. You made it so plain. The ideas of Dr.Swamy can propel our country's economy and make it a robust one!
Yes, you people "must be in the government".👍
Finest minds of our Nation
Excellent discussion about reality 👍
Expect more discussion like this 👍
Very nice to leasing. Thank you Mr. Kapil ji, I sailut You!🙏
We would like to congratulate the wire for this amazing interview..
Just loved this conversation, these are the people we want in our government
IT IS NICE TO SEE THE TOO INTELLECTUALS ACROSS THE TABLE. PLEASE CARRY ON IN FUTURE ALSO.
*By the discussion of these two legends, I understood how essential a leader is to be well educated.He should have the minimum qualification of economic development skills. Swamy rightly said you both should run the government 😊*
Yes democracy and parliamentary system is absolutely wrong.
धन्यवाद हमारे देश के अनुभवी वकील और उनके तर्क हमें आपकी जरूरत है ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ excellent 👌👌👌👌
Very informative talk!? India needs these types of politicians!!!???❤😂🎉
20:04 Someone from PMO is listening to Mr.Swamy's word . PV Narasimha Rao is getting Bharat ratna. Sir please keep your voice highy it's very important.
Thanks The Wire for having such brilliant discussion on Indian economy! Only Dr. Swamy can put mirror before Modi government. Exceptional conversation between Sibal and Dr. Sawamy on present economic conditions and ways to come out of the mess. 🙏...
Just wow...... Mr Swami....hats off to you sir
Sir first of all thanks for this program. And that's your greatness that despite of being from different ideological group you sat together and discussed all this. Hope for such programs in future too 🙏🙏🙏🙏
What an excellent conversation . Yes we need this politicians for our country.
Nice interview! Please promote educated, intellectuals to the leadership roles.
What a beautiful show.
Great start to New year.💯
Thanks Wire, for this wonderful discussion between two intellectuals. One question whose ans I was waiting for was, how our media is playing a crucial role in destroying country's progress and how this media issue can be fixed.
❤ informative possibilities. Thanks
Putting Mr. zero Loss Sibal in intellectual column is a bit hilarious
@@vicky1b. Sorry for your lack of comprehension and discernment!
@@joymascarenhas3491 Sorry for your lack of intellect . Please enlighten me
One intellectual had called Sonia a Bar dancer and RaGa a British citizen
Great conversation,want more of this from mr. Sibbal
Great discussion. India need visionary like Mr Sibal and Mr Swamy to be in driving seat of govt
Great conversation About the development 👏👏
Excellent discussion. I think this is the kind of stuff most Indians are not exposed to. With two knowlegeable veterans discussing Indian economy, there's a lot of sound information people should be aware of, and not wholly depend on the figures put out by the government.
You both have served the mandate of ‘the wire’ very well. Interpreting heavy economic terms to authenticate your preconceived agenda😂
I feel relaxed realising that in your professional/political journey, you reached where you deserved to reach.
Good Qs Mr Kapil. When govt was launching UPI our ex finance minister P Chidambaram said how we will teach ppl to use this technology, how will small kirana store and ppl will use it. Govt implemented and multiple startups came up with brilliant ideas that today everyone is capable to use it, so don’t underestimate ppl and startups of the country.. everything will pickup
Wakil job chhod kar anchor ban gaya bhai😂😂😂😂😂1 bhi case jit nahi payi😂😂😂😂
Before demonetisation the amount of cash tht was circulating in the economy is now surpassed by the present cash economy .... so much for UPI ... But I guess godi forgot to discuss tht
@@utkalbha532
Govt. change hoga toh phir se case jeetega ....
@@Max_Elan Answer 1 Qs and then we will never debate modi or rahul or any govt. Tell me was any other govt capable to demolish article 370? Check Farooq abudllahs speech 10yrs ago when he challenged present govt and today they are like how that became possible. And if you have any doubt go check the fundamental how article 370 was planned to scrap on Vikas divakriti sirs channel .. how they planned this from long back as soon as they came to center.
@@jackrulz08
What ??? Any govt. with absolute majority can bring abt any law in parliament ....
Any law ...
Tomorrow if Congress or any other govt. comes back, with say 380 or 400 MPs , they may bring back 370 .... and no one can do shit abt it .....
And why is this 370 370 thingy so important , its just like another jhumla ... kashmir was always a part of India ... kashmir had elections under Indian law ... CM of J&K took an oath of allegiance to the Indian constitution ....
Nothing has changed in kashmir ... still every week there are terror attacks ... every week our security forces jawans are martyred .... obviously the media does not show any anger on that , because this is happening under jhumla govt. ....
There is no elected govt. in J&K for so many yrs now ... its a mess ... obviously the media will tell u otherwise ....
Look this kashmir, pakistan, mandir-masjid, mulla, abdul, puncturewala, hindu khatre mein, muslim population .... these are trigger words tht have been drilled into ur brains with 9 yrs of media brainwashing ... so tht whenever these words are mentioned u will behave like a zombie .....
But u will never ever ask the pertinant questions .... and when the entire media says everything is better than the rest of the world u will believe it .....
If all such great minds come on one stage, we can outrun any country in world. Loved the conversation by legends.
Great topics with great personality on important topics applicable knowledge..👍
This should be a 5 hour podcast, it's rare to see people talking sense
Indeed, especially when "largest democracy" is copying fascism!
Two stalwarts in one frame ❤
Resp/Sir
Great Conversation
All the best
Expecting many more such EP
Knowledge at its peak..
So enriching, mutual respect for different views but keeping the important things in forefront while maintaining the dignity.Inspiring.
Quite a tête-à-tête from the two stalwarts, very softly spoken and their words of explanation seeps easily into the head. I couldn't get enough of it. India, that is Bharat, need this type of knowledge, experienced, and patriotic person in the government set up, who would not only raise the economy of the country but will also raise the standard of living of the citizen, resulting in making India great once again.
*Please keep the episode running.
Waw beautiful conversation.
Like this conversation needed all the time in future too.
Nice discussion. Hoping to get similar productive discussion in future too. Thanks
This is the kind of Interview India & democracy really needed
Great Discussion..rare meeting the two titans.
Wow. Truly impressive. This is how discussion should happen. Hats off to @TheWire for such a commendable platform and initiative.
.....KUDOS....YOU both STALWARTS of your respective fields....🎉🎉❤🎉🎉
Very very important discussion is carried out . This should be continued please.😊
Excellent conversation! Highly satisfactory. Let's have more.
Excellent discussion…..Thank you for highlighting the most crtical points👍
A briliant discussion by two briliant practical intellectuals. Thanks Mr. @kapilsiwal and Mr. @subramanyamswami for enlightening us on Indian economy.