Guild Wars 2: We Were WRONG About Vindicator (It's Good Now)
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- It's time to revisit VINDICATOR, the melee-focussed Elite Specialisation for Revenant that dropped with End of Dragons. Been seeing some interesting stigmas floating around - that Vindicator is bad. 0/10. TRASH TIER. Well I'm here to tell you it's not! In fact - it's pretty good actually. I think it's still due for some MORE buffs by virtue of being full MELEE and not having the flexibility of other specs, but the recent buffs helped it out quite a bit.
If you're looking for a melee DPS class with an EASY rotation, consistent damage and bonus style points, you really can't go wrong with this spec!
Special thanks to MrMystic for the build: • POWER VINDICATOR | OLD...
My initial Vindicator REVIEW: • Guild Wars 2: The VIND...
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00:00 - Intro
01:15 - The BUFFS
02:48 - If I Can Get Good DPS So Can You
04:19 - BUILD & ROTATION
05:40 - General Playstyle
07:44 - Random Tips & Tricks
09:56 - Final Thoughts
#guildwars2 #mmorpg #guide - Ігри
For those watching this by the end of 2022 and beyond:
They buffed it again and they'll give it a little buff it again by the end of this month (November 2022).
The best change they did is that now you get 2 jumps (dodge) for the same time that you'd earlier fill a whole gauge for 1. This makes the "jump traits" that buff you twice as relevant as well.
IMO they still need to change that skill that just gives you 25 endurance. It should give you Vigor, something else, or at least greatly reduce its animation or else there is no reason you should ever press this button.
Alliance stance and dual Swords are also getting excellent buffs next week, making Alliance stance and dual swords a worthwhile sidegrade if you wanna squeeze out more damage! Love to see it😁
Hey, that other Vindi is me!
Everything said here is true. Vindi may not be competitive dps, but it's really solid dps while requiring very little class-specific knowledge or mechanical proficiency.
And it just FEELS cool to play, which is what we really care about.
Additionally, you can turn the non-Shiro legend into anything your group needs for the encounter, whether it be Jalis for stab, Mallyx for boon rip, Ventari for projectile block, or Alliance for stun breaks and other minor support (if those things aren't already being covered).
Because spooky ghost knight juggernaut.
That’s reason enough.
Your content is quality! Been back into GW2 after only really playing it around launch. Your videos are helpful, concise (for YT anyway) but never feeling void of info. Keep it up man!
I love this spec, so much quickness, fury and protection and its just so fun playing it. I use a mostly diviners set with fireworks runes, gs is dragons and I use zerk sword/sword for alt weapons.
Hey thanks for making this. I also play from Aussie land with 250ms and made power mech for exactly the reasons you mention in the video. I was a necro main but did 8k less dps than snowcrows with proper gear + stat infusions + food and utilities and perfect rotations. I am convinced it's because of our ping. Shroud 3 on harbinger for example detonates at the start of your dash instead of towards the end. It's incredibly annoying. Ever since the uproar in the community about power mechanist I have been on the lookout for a new spec that can work well with high ping. I will deffo give vindi a go! Please continue making such videos.
I love the Shiro/Jalis combo.
If you take invocation 2/1/1 and devastation 2/2/3 you lose a little bit of dps but gain huge sustain, perfect for pugs and world bosses.
This is very similar to what I play, so dang fun and nearly immortal, it's the same build I USED to run as renegade, never liked Kalla haha
Before this patch, I was basically hitting 35k-50k dmg(based off burst dmg) on my Vind regularly with my setup, so I never did where people were talking about the "low dmg" part, always figured it was a skill issue with them or something. Also because whenever some of these same people grouped up with me they never complained about my DMG and had nothing to say afterwards lol.
Another one of your vids I am late to but very helpful! And as a bonus, you were in that run with another CC that I follow in Mandala & both at the top of the chart even thou it's not what matters right: Skills > Stats, you can't Dps if you're dead!
Thankyou for yet another great Vindicator guide Bloom 💯😃
I wasn't fan of it when they first showed it off. The recycled animations and having only one dodge threw me off. But for the sake of variety, I ended up forcing myself to play it, and I was pleasantly surprised. I still don't really switch between the two legends often, I kind of just stick to the offensive one (can't remember the name, the orange one). But other than that it's definitely a very unique melee class and I am happy Arenanet made it the way it is :)
Edit: What also threw me off was that, initially, your skills would automatically switch to the other legend right after you used them, if I remember correctly. I am also glad they changed this as well.
Vindicator is exacly what I wanted from new Rev spec - Greatsword with big power cleave damage and high sustainability/versatility.
However I'd like to see small buff to Alliance stance so it could become best in slot for damage!
The snowcrows benchmarks are done in an "IDEAL ENVIRONMENT" when you don't need to dodge mechanics or have to stand in a green...
I main bladesworn, I can never reach that benchmark number in a normal raid or strike. I can at least get kinda close against a golem.
There were a few times in my Guild Wars 2 lifetime where I took a few breaks to play Final Fantasy to see how that game was doing. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I played Dragoon and that made me really happy for Vindicator to come around thematically speaking. It's definitely a bit of a switch hitter where it comes to the different game modes that it can interact with, but I ultimately found that it was a very fun class to play. It takes a little bit of effort to understand the skill ceiling of that particular subclass, but it is very fun if you can master it.
Still not over how the only ranged weapon outside of an elite spec is hammer, its gross. Scepter should have been added with a new elite spec or just added to the core revenant weapons. Underwater needs fixing too but I doubt it ever will on revenant... 😣
I’ll never let the dream of a Scepter wielding, Master Togo/Razah Ritualist elite spec for Rev go 😩
@@masc4mascara39
this is so good to hear. I love vindicator and bladesworn, but I just can't get the hang of the bladesworn rotation.
Gw2 players are waaaay to obsessed with "meta" classes and dps benchmarks. It breaks my heart when I see new players in our Guild Chat go: "I'm loving Reaper! What a cool class!" with a guildy then saying "Well you'll never get into a group, best to change to scourge". I've also never been able to hit those benchmark numbers, I play with about 180-200ms ping, but, I know my class well, and I know its rotation well enough to not stare at my button bar. As a non-meta dps, I end up being about the same dps as some of these meta specs (Rifle mech excluded, because broken), just because I know the class and when to save my bursts for which phases.
I can't wait to see how it looks after the dodge revamp! Great video bloom! :D
Me too!! So keen!
@@BloomHD Dodge Revamp?
@@EddyZorn Vindicator now has two dodges available that are less in height and you can't dodge anymore when immobilized.
The thing about vindicator that gets me is having all that utility at your fingertips but paying dps tax for it.
Want to CC? Swap to staff goodbye dps.
Want to give stability, goodbye energy.
Need range for a boss. Goodbye CC.
Want to stun break or condi cleanse your group. Goodbye dps.
The class is superfun but the usability designwise sucks compared to something like virtuoso and eventually I experience that so much I stop playing it.
I created 3 character with heavy armor professions, maxed out all of them. I am not a min-max player, so it was easy to choose Vindicator over other elite specs for to become my main. And I never regret it.
Alliance offensive legend is dope in open world content for the near 100% uptime on quickness and fury from spamming skill 8 off cooldown as well.
Vindicator is one of my favorite map clearers for this alone.
i am aware of the skill you speak of, but keep in mind some people might choose to reassign that skill to another slot and may not know which skill you are talking about :D
I was this close to hang my DPS Vindi in the closet, but this vid gave me hope for it. I'll try it with Jalis as you do and see how it goes. I think it might be specially useful in Dragonstorm (since Renegade's spirit can't take the amount of CC in that instance). I may even dust my hammer just for the funzies. Cheers for the video!
I've been enjoying Quickness Herald in Dragonstorm recently, personally. Yeah, it's spammy, but it flows really well and there always seems to be a noticeable dps increase around me compared to when I'm playing straight dps in these encounters. People seriously underestimate dps/boon hybrids for Open World imo.
Edit: Oh and sword 5 is great for chasing down Ryland and Braham when they run clear across the map.
Heal vindicator in WvW is *chef's kiss*
I recently boosted my rev so I have cele gear. I wanna try vindicator but it seems more of a power focused spec.
Its my main since day 1 of EoD and i was the first to think into puting Fireworks rune into it i guess, so much sinergy.
fantastic, been wanting to try Vin out! Also what font is your ArcDPS using?
Love the content. Keep it coming.
I've been a long time revenant player however I couldn't bother with vindi until now. Man, you have no clue how much I regret!! This is soo fun!
The only thing I think is trash is Alliance Stance being bad. I wasn't able to find any build using it cause everyone's using Jalis and Shiro lol (makes things even easier cause that's what I use with renegade - my main rev build)
really nice, without any knowledge about revenant (rarely playing as condi alac) im rolling with 28k dps on golem. Ofc its not the best but easy to start, there's also room for improvments especially in real encounters, but this will come with time.
IT reminds me of daredevil staff build. Just autoattack and almost 30k dmg, very easy to keep up on every encounter. With this i can run anything new and still get very good dps at first try. I think this vindicator will be similar.
I'm not really invested into GW2 and I feel iffy about most classes to put it lightly, but your way of describing classes just really makes me excited to try them out. Really good job!
I love vindicator. The dodge slam is very fun, gs is a lot of fun, the snowcrows rotation is not complete braindead. However, it is disappointing that a spec that is suppose to focus on pure damage power, or pure support, depending on which alliance you camp, underperform in both aspects. The fun aspect of it is super subjective and wears off, especially when there are top dps specs right now that are also incredibly fun (minus boring ass power mech). Vinid does not need some huge rework, just needs some buffs. WOuld be nice for kurzick alliance to have some support options but I will settle for them adding power damage to it.
Hmm interesting, you actually encouraged me to test this spec again. I usually play Renegade.
You can swap great swords, so you can insert some weapon swap mechanics tho? or you meant that dual swords are dual 2h swords?
Thank you for this video. My choice of elite spec has finally been vindicated.
Great video! I was thinking a lot which spec I should do on my rev. Maybe I can decide now finally haha!
But question: How is the program called which you use to display the dps?
It's arcdps with a modified DPS window
@@SirGareth thanks!
WHOOOOO wants Vindicator in the trash… I just want to have a little chit-chat in PvP.👀
I'm glad to hear this. Revenant was my main love but I felt like it fell off a bit with EoD and how both Renegade and Herald kind of disappeared.
I'm excited to pick up my old main again!
Revenant main here, playing Vindicator a lot lately. Just give us a viable power DPS heal build! The fun factor is here. But there is no interplay between your alliance stances. I would love to play heal vindicator, but it's straight up inferior to every other option. If you could deal decent power DPS while healing, that could offer a niche. You could free up teammates to play the new quick DPS and alac DPS builds.
Interesting. I might give this a try
How do you get your dps meter to look like that?
I feel like people are still overlooking the alliance stance. While it might not be the highest in terms of damage, in a single stance there's so much utility crammed in. To list:
-Double heals, each on an individual 10 second recharge. Blue heal is also AoE and heals for about 3.5k. For a dps class, that's not terrible and has helped me save allies in a pinch more than I can count.
-Aoe damage on most of the red skills. One of them grants quickness AND endurance per foe struck. While quickness might be covered by others, this is great for solo play. The extra endurance will help you dodge way more often if there are big groups of enemies. Another is a pretty massive leap on a ridiculous 3 second cooldown, great movement skill. The third one is a stunbreak that will grant you stability on a 10 sec CD, it also applies AoE daze. The red elite is pretty garbage, but the rest of the skills are not bad.
-On the blue side we have the AoE heal I mentioned earlier. And incredibly short CD AoE condi cleanse, and a 10 second CD ally stunbreak. We also have technically an extra dodge with Battle Dance, although I've seldom made use of it specifically for the evade.
yeah, i feel that stacnce is heavily looked down upon due red side ult, on top it's the only side that has no upkeep skill, so not having an upkept that helps with dps, make it mostly outclassed by the others, if they made the spear an upkeep that works kind of like Spear of Justice with Big game hunter or Full counter Megabane tether, it would increase it's use heavily, on top it has quite a long casting time and with some heavy upkeep cost, it could be balance to be a high burst instead of raw dps.
hmm ima give this a try when I get off work.
can anybody tell what is his transmog?
There is a Japanese song called Riot in Bloom
Just a small thing, increasing two traits from 7% to 10% is not going to be 6% damage buff.
Also I am extremely confused by what you are saying about Impossible Odds + Greatsword 5 synergy. Can you elaborate why it essentially doubles the damage?
Simple answer: You’re absolutely right and I am bad at math
With Impossible Odds your strikes gain a follow-up strike every quarter of a second, essentially doubling your strike damage.
@@Joeyjoejoe1708 The follow-up strike has its own power coefficient, and it doesn't matter how hard you hit to trigger it.
Time to roll Vindi
No love for the Hammer (ranged)? It’s great for slamming enemies as you run into the fight. Hammer with Jalis to start the fight (open world) and finish with greatsword in melee if they are still alive plus drop dodges.
250 ping? Well damn out of curiosity, I checked mine in here in SEA, and it’s 287 RIP
Hey Bloom! What race is your revenant? I saw in one video Sylvari but also on another saw human skin :) Can you please shed light to this mystery ? Haha
Sylvari! 😁
@@BloomHD Thanks man! Now I can sleep hahaha!
Yes but this is gw2. Nobody cares about consistency and the actual value. Its all about that perfect theoretical golem benchmark potential! Jokes aside loved the vid. Always refreshing seeing and trying new things :)
Holy fuck haven't seen a GW2 video come across my screen in years. I might try to remember my password for this.
"hard to mess up rotation"
Power Mechanist's AFK benchmark was 28k with 1200 range
W7 Q2 Grenada kit vs Rocket Turret was 2k difference 22k to 20k while I was just pressing *23450* I was losing to the other mech going *F2 2 7 2 4 5 7 F3 3 4 5 0 F1 2 7 2 7* and so on ... I'm not joking the full dps pMech rotation is roughly something like that 😂 I have Li rotation for pMech if you want
lvl0 Rocket Turret + Auto-Casting Commands = 28k afk dps with Auto-Attack
lvl1 press 234
lvl2 press 2345 the 5 is ground targeting and some don't want to use it
lvl3 press 32450 the 0 is Elite skill far away from rest of the keys.
lvl4 take mine instead of Rocket Turret and press 234570 where 7 is now mine, it can also be 8 or 9 what ever is best for you.
lvl5 take mine and self cast commands while pressing 234570 you add F2 F3 F1 in that order off cooldown.
lvl6 Take Grenada Kit your rotation is now 2 7 2 4 5 7 where 72457 is Grenada Kit after Rifle 2 and you press 4 5 only if they are available. Best way to learn use Grenadat Kit
lvl7 Take Grenada Kit 2 72457 3 4
lvl8 Take Grenada Kit 2 72457 3 4 5
lvl9 Take Grenada Kit 2 72457 3 4 5 0
lvl10 Take Grenada Kit 2 72457 3 4 5 0 and self cast commands F2 F3 F1.
Basically the Low intensity pMech starts with rocket turret and self casting command skills on mech with auto-attacking and then you work your way up adding more complexity. You can skip from lvl0 to lvl6 if you want to practice Grenada Kit in "safe" way meaning you won't lose much dps if you mess up 😉
Of course vindicator is under performing when we're using mechanist as benchmark.
The only thing that would make Vindicator really cool for me would be if they rework all the animations and particals because they are lacking in that department.
I agree, I truly feel that GS 2 should feel WAY snappier than it currently does, even if everything else stayed the same I think that would make it feel so much more fun
Mained Rev since HoT; only liked Vindicator in the first beta. Since then I tried to make it work (I play mainly PvP/WvW roaming/OW PvE) with poor results: yes, with Dragon or Marauder stats + Fireworks runes and a bit of Diviner and Assassin stats I can get 2700 power, 18.5 K HP and retain 100% crit chance, 200% crit damage and 50% boon duration, which means permanent protection, quickness and 25 stacks of might (as long as the mechanics allows it) BUT still I kill things 1/3 slower with this build compared to my condition Willbender, and lack almost any ranged pressure and an extra daodge. Vindi is also lacking in cc (I no longer run staff or Jalis, after the latest nerfs) and condition damage potential. So at the end you have a mele spec with so so damage and worse utitilities than Warrior or Guardian. This spec remains mostly unseen at every game mode and for a good reason: not enough dps for that pure role, no alacrity build, mediocre as a healer... I usually solo the HoT HPs with condi Herald, condi Renegade, power Herald and condi WB and Vindicator seems inneficient and risky compared to the other options... And that doesn't even take in consideration that power Mechanist does more damage while being at range and having better cc and support utilities...
I agree 100%, Rev was the first class i took to 80. I really liked the idea behind it but always felt that it could do a lot of things, but never be good at any of em. I like Vindi, its fun for the open world but it shows its weakness early and often. interested to see whats gonna happen to it with the new changes and tweaks coming.
this benchmark craze is very curious tbh cuz most of the game is running and rollig around avoiding mechanics and yet gold standard is judged from standing and hitting motionless training dummy.
it's like olympics in fast keyboard typing
vindy is great, I loved it in the betas but it's not a class you can just auto-attack and forget. as much as I love vindy greatsword it's a bit of a gimmick, I found running dual swords to be a bit more effective.
Always note, that most of the gap closer skills that u described ONLY need to be in range because you are playing action cam, it seems. Action cam for most classes/situations in competitive play will be a disadvantage. Saying that: I would have quit gaming gw2 without action cam...I use it, but I know of its fundamental flaws in some content.
This turned in to Rant and then to question.
The Question: *Why is Heal Mechanist THE Meta healer currently?*
The only benefits I know for Heal Mechanist are Easy to play, Barrier, Aegis and Damage.
Mean while Heal Scrapper is also easy to play, gives Superspeed, has more stability 3 every 15 seconds if you want and is much more flexible has barrier gyro for little barrier and damage reduction and has shit ton of more healing potential with F1 Heal skill being a nuke of a heal... So why is Mechanist superiors?
Alacrity vs quickness, that's it. If you look at other builds that can provide alacrity you'll find that these builds are worse or altleast a lot more difficult than mechanist. Then if you look at quickness you'll find that you're competing with firebrands, which are still the most broken spec in the game
I didn’t know it was bad I been playing it for a while now xd
You are great OCE player 🎉
yes high ping is huge dps loss. it's normal not to reach benchmark numbers
I just wish the greatsword was a standard weapon.
why not play vindi?
just a PSA, if your getting 80% benchmark as a semi serious players, thats totally okay! Im part of a guild that competes for world record speedruns alot (cT Completely Trash) and most of us dont even get 90% benchmarks on golem and still compete with the big hardcore guilds!
Most of time 30k/s is best dps what you can get. When see dps meter 90% of time you see 20-25k/s. 20-30k/s is easy dps and you can kill boss with no problem.
Issue is that herald is same easy to play, has same DPS, same gear except great sword, but also gives great buffs to party. So only reason to play vindi would be for fun.
Vindi has bigger DPS
So this is just daredevil 2.0 but much easier.
I Love Honest Review-guides. not jsut another "my sword is huge. also check my DPS". Thanks for being human and normal like the 80% of the playerbase.
i think something almost no one hasnt noticed is that this spec is competely inspired by the clash of braham and ryland, al ryland greatsword skillss are the same as ryland and braham has many attacks as the utlity attacks in archemorus, wich i find inspiring and interesting, also hitting that fat dodge hits right in the spot tbh its been a long coming for the revenant to have greatsword only wish they made better animations
what pants and leggings are those in the intro?
Don't do it. Don't give me hope
Vindicator is viable but unremarkable
Vindicator is not bad overall but the dodge on the other hand 🤔
1:59 you're not an average player. top dps XD average players does like 3k dps
I think he means the average player that regularly does instanced content. Average dps there is around 15k
@@The_Quaalude yeah 15 is the avg. i would say good players sit comfortably at 20-25k more or less. but still he's not average. he can click buttons well.
If I wanted to play dragoon I would play FF14. I love a LOT of gw2 classes and elite specs exactly because they are original, but this, ught. Also, the attack effects are just so bad and lazy.
turd
Nope, it still sucks
Vindicator is good, but in gw2 people love glass cannon max dps builds 🫠