He annealed it wrong, you have to wait for the metal to cool down. This makes it actually soft and playable. What he did was quenching in water, which in essence just makes the metal harder.
Dude I can literally make you an origami ring out of a dollar bill! PSA: DON'T BURN MONEY! Hahaha! Seriously though you can make a ring with paper money!
Yeah the press is pretty cheap if you get one at harbor freight. The dies are the expensive stuff. I have most of the stuff including dies and the press was easily the cheapest.
You don't need the ring sizer tools a drift pin and torch to keep the coin soft just be gentle with the hammer. Get the rubber mallet from harbor freight
Skyler you are the man, I'm almost 70 years old and just getting into coin ring making and love watching your videos, you take it from Fred Flintstones era all the way to the Jetsons, I'm hanging out in Bedrock for now but looking to move to the Jetsons one day. Thanks man
You're awesome for taking the time to help out others who don't have the "coin" to buy the tools. Or, perhaps like myself, I would like to try making one before I invest a lot into the proper tools. Thanks!
Rings look amazing! I'm not 100 percent sure but i believe annealing is the process of heating metal and cooling slowly. Quenching hot metal hardens the metal and makes it more brittle.
Well, you're half right. The way you describe it is how it works for steel. For silver, as well as for copper, the annealing process works just as well whether you cool it slowly or quickly. The way annealing works is that the cristalline structure of the atoms is "relaxed" through the heat, and dislocated atoms (which otherwise lead to hardness) align themselves into the structure. In the case of steel and other ferrous metals, the structure (or "phase") they take on at high temperature is a different one than they have at room temperature. A slow cooling process allows it to transition from one to the other (thus having a nice, aligned and soft structure), while a quick quench "freezes" the "wrong" cristalline structure in place, leading to tension in the metal and thus hardness. I presume that silver takes on the same structure anywhere below it's melting point, so rapidly cooling down just keeps the softer, realigned structure in place. Though that last part is an educated guess, as an engineer I can talk a lot about steel, but didn't learn much about precious metals.
@@rockyblacksmith Not doing any research and shooting from the hip I feel then if the quench does nothing other than cool it down then wouldn't it be better to allow it to slowly cool and start working it while it still has some heat because I feel whatever potential for distortion you would encounter would easily be compensated for with a softer mallet/strikes which could potentially reduce the overall distortion compared to working it cold but if nothing else allow for greater precision with the material while requiring less energy and preventing fatigue from causing certain mistakes.
@@ronmcqueen4284 Working the metal while it's hot would require less force, true. But that is offset by the fact that handling a hot piece of metal is far more cumbersome than handling it at room temperature. And having worked with silver since writing my previous comment, I can tell you it's pretty soft as is, so there is no real need for working it hot.
I did the same thing as you, drilled a 10mm hole and sanded it with sandpaper. Do not use a hydraulic press. Because I do it myself, inch by inch. It's a unique ring. Thank you, your work is an inspiration.
A few years ago I made a ring for my mom out of a quarter just by rolling across my fab table and tapping it with a hammer around the edge for a while, drilled and shaped the hole and polished it on a bench grinder buffing wheel, turned out nice. Might have to give this method a shot!
I got into making these a few years ago, plain quarters are good for practice and turning your finger green. 🤢 but once you get good, you can invest in some nice coins to make some absolute masterpieces💍
@@killingtime669 No, it's called Timmy's Wok, look it up. I just don't understand how you put in a metal quarter and a plastic ring comes out... I'm working on it...
Lol. Making these things without the 'proper' tools, IS very labor intensive. My first ones took 3 1/2 hours of pounding with a mallet to fold over and increase size and using a doming block in my vise to reduce sizes.
Hi Skyler...iv got about every piece of ring making tools made ..made silver and clad...can you tell me does the reproduction brass hobo Morgan dollar coins fold and work good with dies and press??..can get them at a local coin shop here in Kentucky if they will work ok ...thanks for videos ..Ron
SUCCulent Lemon Canadians and their weird speak haha. I literally have no idea what a roomier is haha. By the way just messing around not being an actual butthead
You don't anneal metal by quenching in water you just locked the hardness by doing that. It has to be cooled slowly. You harden metal by increasing the temp to the proper heat you need for a particular hardness then quench it in oil, etc. cooling it quickly locking the crystalline structure vs letting it realign slowly.
Jason Works Die 38 dollars Coin Anvil 38 dollars ( personally i would say just buy the "mint" Starter kit at 106 dollars Your spending 72 on just those 2 pieces) Home Depot Torch 20 dollars two cheap hammers lets say 20 dollars Set Screw Coupler was 2.48 Ring Mandrel 14.00 Slush fund for odds and ends 20.00 So basically 200 dollars to start a new business or hobby. Knowledge of learning a new skill and craftsmanship to make money.... Priceless.
Everyone is making coin rings with these ring tools that press the coin instead of the old fashioned way of just using a spoon. I have made several coin rings using just a common table spoon. It requires a silver coin and there will not be any of the original coin image left on the outside though. This method was the way people made wedding bands in the old days. You just tap the edge of a silver coin with the spoon. It will slowly bend the silver and when you get it to the width you want, you drill out e middle and polish it. It takes a long time, but you only need a spoon and a drill.
Jonathan Campbell you are correct sir. Everyone is using these CoinRing tools to make rings these days. NOBODY is using a spoon and a month to make CoinRings these days. Sure, I’ve tried it. Realized after 2 hours and not much progress, I need to buy some tools
Robert Butcher There are advantages to using the spoon method: 1) It is an incredibly annoying and passive aggressive way of driving a roommate crazy 2) It is the only way to get the words from both sides of the coin to appear on the inside of the ring. 3) Other than drilling out the middle, it requires no tools except a spoon. 4) It is a labor of love just from the sheer amount of time spent tapping the coin and shaping it. 5) The smooth outside can be engraved and the inner portion between the words of the coin can be engraved. Of course the disadvantages would be 1) It is incredibly annoying to tap the coin for months 2) It isn’t feasible to make a ring this way for profit.
when you anneal a metal you are suppose to let it cool slowly. when you dunked it in the water like that it hardened the metal. Please correct me if I am wrong.
How did you know how many business cards you needed? I don't fully understand how you got the center of the coin with a random stack of cards. I'm trying to center punch a coin for a different project any advice would be great
The stack of cards puts the pen at a given height above the table... The coin is perfectly circular... So the pen makes a mark at given distance from the edge of the coin to the center. This holds true no matter what rotation the coin is in. So if you rotate the coin you make a lot of little marks at precisely that distance between the edge of the coin in the center of the coin.
Thanks for the video, quick question: what was the expensive tool that was replaced? Apologies if that was explained in the video, I am still learning.
I totally agree! So the drill makes sense because that's a lot cheaper than some expensive press. But i guess according to this dude everyone has some expensive drill bit, some expensive random sizer and dyes laying around that sizer thing that gradually gets bigger as you go down the shaft i dont have one nore would i even be able to guess where to find one
You guys are kidding.... You're expecting to do this with no tools? Pray for an increase in minimum wage.... You're both obviously going to need it. My nephew makes these. He's in Middle School. He works at small jobs and generally buys his tools without asking anyone for anything.....
@@nothankyou5524, ha ha ha go flaunt your riches elsewhere. As for no tools no idiot i have basic tool wrenches, sockets, screw drives, punches, and some power tools as well as for your son im sure he has alot more to spend on tools then a divorced father of two. With two children that he has to pay child support on. You know being that hes a child who lives with mommy and daddy and eats their food, no rent, no real expenses?! Yeah thought so shut your mouth and consider not everyone has the cookie cutter life like you my kids lived in some of the wrost neighborhoods you can think of maybe you might have heard of some of them Ferguson mo. The "warzone" nm. We went to bed hearing gun shots and sirens your little bastard probably lived in a mansions in Hollywood or that really nice castle in the middle of the woods. Moral being yes I am poor yes I may not have an extensive tool collection like how you probably do. But I don't sit there and criticized anyone who was not brought up my way and try to make other people feel bad for being poor.
Yes great ring. My question is don't the clad quarters turn your finger green after wearing. So how do you treat the ring so your finger does not turn green? Thank you
If you want to anneal your coin you can use a gas stove (just make sure not to burn yourself, use metal tongs). I also use a gas stove for soldering silver rings/pendants, it works surprisingly well.
Great video! So to make rings from size 3 to 6, you need to get 1) .9- 1.0, 17 degree die, 2) .9- 1.0, 25 degree die, and 3) die anvil? Does compressing both sides create the "fat tire" look. On Jason's site, some dyes are called "fat tire". Is there a difference? Thanks for your help.
Thanks for getting back to me! I actually more interested in the size reduction. Do I need the 25 degree to reduce below a size 6 or can the 17 degree reduce below size 6, too? Thanks, again. Beautiful work! BTW- I just tried to make my first ring 30 minutes ago and it is a little wavy and uneven. You make it look so easy!
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint Annealing is done to relieve the hardness of cold working. Just as it is being done in ferrous metals, by subjecting the alloys to heat at a specific temperature and then allowing it to cool slowly to room temperature. the slow cooling allows full precipitation of the constituents and produces a refined microstructure. You are tempering the metal when quenching.
You don't need a ring sizer you can use a drift pin. And the unibit he uses can be picked up anywhere. Harbor freight puts them on sale every couple of months
Here is a good one for a laugh... Back in 2006' I was cleaning a box store parking lot on 3rd shift. I found a round piece of metal that was 1/4 inche thick. I decided to use it for a ring, (Maybe I started the fad of steel rings 😋). Years later I found out that it was a part of a craftsman socket wrench. I finally got the right cleaners to polish it. I forgot how heavy it was, I had an itch on the back of my head and I went and hit the back of my head, good thing it was at night, I let out a yell of pain that could be heard over the entire parking lot! 😋 I still have the "ring".
I was taught 55 years ago that to anneal copper washers you had to heat it to cherry red and let it cool naturally. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?
It's a bar clamp, they're like $8-$12 or less. You could use vice grips or pliers or your foot. Use your imagination for tool selection and not snarky questions.
Or you could just make it out of something that doesn't put you at risk of committing a federal crime for destruction of federal property. Filming the destruction of US money and posting a video of committing a felony is just stupid.
@@davidulmer9774 lol. Sad, but true. But, he's just offsetting inflation cause by Biden's massive $1.9T paper money print. It's only a quarter, but every little bit counts. lol
Anieling is when you let it cool down very slowly from the heat and let the grain structure relax.... you literally just did the opposite and tempered it.. and made it harder....
G'day Adam, It depends on the metal that's being treated. Steels are hardened by heating up to red and then quenching, but on copper, and it's alloys (Brass etc), it has the opposite effect making it very soft. It's how you treat copper and brass sheet for making hammered hollow ware. Cheers :)
Just an FYI when you anneal metals to reduce stress you heat then allow to cool slowly. When you are heating metal then quenching it it water or oil you are hardening it.
38 dollars for the die, and 38 dollars for the anvil.. Thats the only 2 jason products he used.. so 76 dollars.. i be you spent more than that on dinners last month. its only expensive because you cant see how this benefits you more than eating out or going to the bar. Once you have these 2 you can do rings and sell them which then they become FREE tools.
@@PeterWraaeMarino Or you can figure out a way to adjust your spending and save enough to make that purchase. you dont have an income problem you have a budget problem. You have a computer.. im sure it cost more than 76 dollars, phone... same thing.. The only difference is.. this makes you money. They others just make life easy. 76 isnt much.. when you realize you have other stuff that costs more. Maybe sell the computer and buy the tools. Prob solved. you either want to make money.. or make excuses.. you cant do both.
So when you anneal it, doesn't the water quench harden it? I thought you needed to let it cool naturally for the metal to anneal. Also say you dont have a die, what then?
Non ferrous metals like copper and silver dont harden when quenched like steel does. If you dont have a die, then you just stop at the hammering phase. That requires even less tools.
Would it be possible to make one really small? I'm thinking a hole around 1/4", maybe just a little bigger. Maybe with a small coin, small hole, and small mandrel? I'm asking because I want to make one to fit on the wooden shank of a Missouri Meerschaum corn cob pipe, replacing the cheap metal ring they come with.
He doesn't use any specialty tools, just shit you have in your dad's garage. Not really sure why you're made as it's pretty much impossible to do any kind of craftsmanship like this without tools.
I just checked out his site. His ring prices are very good. I have seen plain steel rings go for $100- $200. I seen one that I am very interested in and as soon as I get the money, I'm ordering. If I tryed to make one I would mess it up big !
@@DanKoning777 yeah... But since he used a specialized, AND (his words) expensive die at the end of the video to size the goddamn thing... You... can go fuck your hat. 👍
another option for securing the coin for drilling could be to put the coin more in the middle of that board and clamp a strip of wood or steel to the board with a clamp on each side, the securing board/metal just needs a hole big enough for the drill bit, ideally slightly larger so it doesn't need to be perfectly centered over the coin.
Found an alternative to the wood block method for clamping, 1/4 pipe union. Have to modify the part that fits against the piece that screws in to the nut. You have to file down that dome so you get a flat surface, then cut the remaining pipe off of it. To secure it either with a vise or a hobby vise. If you do go with a larger vise you need the wood for it to sit on. Even a drill press vise will work. The union will accept a step bit btw.
Once you modified the union it'll accept any coin the size of an American quarter. You can also shove a piece of pex pipe as a shim for the smaller step bit. Tho that will need to be drilled out. I think it was 1/2 i used in my jig. It'll do a decent job of centering your coin tho you'll have to guide it a bit to make sure. Anyways it worked for me, drill your pilot hole then bring in your step bit to reduce chance of it spinning.
Since the union comes in copper, larger ones in brass. It shouldn't marr your coin. Still experimenting and transferring it to the larger 3/4 one. The 3/4 union shouldn't need much modifying outside of filing down the dome as was done on the 1/4 union. A large flat washer should remedy the larger space on that piece that was filed down. I think fitting pex pipe fittings inside one another should remedy that large hole you're left with. Steel flat washer and a piece of leather should work as well.
Why do you quench the coin after you are anneal it? Doesn't quenching change the structure and make it hardened? I was always taught that when you anneal something you let it cool naturally.
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint How many Million Time's Have You Read This Same Statement or Been Told annealing hardens metal over the years? If I had a Quarter for each time I've heard this or been told this, I could Buy all those Expensive Tools I Dream About! Lol
Is it possible to do this with the Singapore $1 coin? I kinda want to see if it's possible to make the ring have the gold and silver kinda colour from it
Soft material on the mallet head (rawhide) for the initial shaping. Lubricant and a specialty shaped die for the reducing. During the step with the anvil in the tube, most of the force was on the top/bottom so the sides stay clean.
Hi! I enjoyed the video! Just a few things that confuse me. When you anneal ferrous metals you heat till it's cherry red then let it cool slow. Non ferrous metals can be quenched when annealing? Will it work ether way? Why do you anneal it more than once? Thanks!
Those were some great tips for those who can't afford expensive tools because anything with Jason's name on it is high dollar but he has quality tools. Thanks for sharing Skyler.
Change you can wear, what size of Swedish wrap die do I need to reduce a half dollar coin ring to a size 7 1/2, or can flat wall ring be made with folding/reduction die?
To hold the coin for drilling, try putting 3 or 4 flat head screws into the wood just around the perimeter of the coin. The heads will hold the coin. Add small washers if needed.
Very cool. I tried it with a dollar bill but after the annealing process, it was just ashes. Your way is better.
He annealed it wrong, you have to wait for the metal to cool down. This makes it actually soft and playable. What he did was quenching in water, which in essence just makes the metal harder.
@@marbrose4804 just realized my mistake. oops
@@foreveryoung7582 you should try making a spoon ring
@@masterkeexd9532 that's actually one of my next projects!
Dude I can literally make you an origami ring out of a dollar bill!
PSA: DON'T BURN MONEY!
Hahaha! Seriously though you can make a ring with paper money!
Naw man. I think you misinterpreted. We want to know how to make one without ANY ring tools lol.
I made that video a while back. It is called Forged coin ring making for beginners
I think you just want free shit.
Naw lol son.
Yeah the press is pretty cheap if you get one at harbor freight. The dies are the expensive stuff. I have most of the stuff including dies and the press was easily the cheapest.
You don't need the ring sizer tools a drift pin and torch to keep the coin soft just be gentle with the hammer. Get the rubber mallet from harbor freight
Railroad iron, hammer, drill and rattail file. You're welcome 😊
Skyler you are the man, I'm almost 70 years old and just getting into coin ring making and love watching your videos, you take it from Fred Flintstones era all the way to the Jetsons, I'm hanging out in Bedrock for now but looking to move to the Jetsons one day. Thanks man
Wow right on! I appreciate the kind words :) Enjoy getting into coin rings! It is an extremely addictive hobby for sure.
You're awesome for taking the time to help out others who don't have the "coin" to buy the tools. Or, perhaps like myself, I would like to try making one before I invest a lot into the proper tools. Thanks!
Rings look amazing! I'm not 100 percent sure but i believe annealing is the process of heating metal and cooling slowly. Quenching hot metal hardens the metal and makes it more brittle.
Well, you're half right.
The way you describe it is how it works for steel.
For silver, as well as for copper, the annealing process works just as well whether you cool it slowly or quickly.
The way annealing works is that the cristalline structure of the atoms is "relaxed" through the heat, and dislocated atoms (which otherwise lead to hardness) align themselves into the structure.
In the case of steel and other ferrous metals, the structure (or "phase") they take on at high temperature is a different one than they have at room temperature. A slow cooling process allows it to transition from one to the other (thus having a nice, aligned and soft structure), while a quick quench "freezes" the "wrong" cristalline structure in place, leading to tension in the metal and thus hardness.
I presume that silver takes on the same structure anywhere below it's melting point, so rapidly cooling down just keeps the softer, realigned structure in place.
Though that last part is an educated guess, as an engineer I can talk a lot about steel, but didn't learn much about precious metals.
@@rockyblacksmith Not doing any research and shooting from the hip I feel then if the quench does nothing other than cool it down then wouldn't it be better to allow it to slowly cool and start working it while it still has some heat because I feel whatever potential for distortion you would encounter would easily be compensated for with a softer mallet/strikes which could potentially reduce the overall distortion compared to working it cold but if nothing else allow for greater precision with the material while requiring less energy and preventing fatigue from causing certain mistakes.
@@ronmcqueen4284 Working the metal while it's hot would require less force, true. But that is offset by the fact that handling a hot piece of metal is far more cumbersome than handling it at room temperature.
And having worked with silver since writing my previous comment, I can tell you it's pretty soft as is, so there is no real need for working it hot.
I did the same thing as you, drilled a 10mm hole and sanded it with sandpaper. Do not use a hydraulic press. Because I do it myself, inch by inch. It's a unique ring. Thank you, your work is an inspiration.
A few years ago I made a ring for my mom out of a quarter just by rolling across my fab table and tapping it with a hammer around the edge for a while, drilled and shaped the hole and polished it on a bench grinder buffing wheel, turned out nice. Might have to give this method a shot!
I got into making these a few years ago, plain quarters are good for practice and turning your finger green. 🤢 but once you get good, you can invest in some nice coins to make some absolute masterpieces💍
I just put the coin in the machine at the Chinese restaurant and it gives me a ring.
Dang! I'd like to run into one of those!
Kidding?
Was your girlfriend impressed?
@@nihlhinz488yea, it's her favorite restaurant
@@killingtime669 No, it's called Timmy's Wok, look it up.
I just don't understand how you put in a metal quarter and a plastic ring comes out... I'm working on it...
Thanks for the tips. How do you determine the initial drill hole size?
It’s all based on looks. I generally use 1/2” on halves and quarters.
This guy is fuuny. But after watching this videoi felt very motivated to pay someone else to do it for me
Lol. Making these things without the 'proper' tools, IS very labor intensive. My first ones took 3 1/2 hours of pounding with a mallet to fold over and increase size and using a doming block in my vise to reduce sizes.
@@johnharden5720 I don't have a clue what you said😂. Don't think I could do it right even with the proper tools
😂😂😂😂 💯
Isn't annealing when you cool the metal down very slowly....I think when you quench (like dropping it in water) it you actually harden it?
That is true for non ferrous metals but silver, gold etc. doesn't harden when quenched.
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint Alright cheers man, did not know that.
the way you ""center"" the coin is really impressive
one can feel the ""know how""
Hi Skyler...iv got about every piece of ring making tools made ..made silver and clad...can you tell me does the reproduction brass hobo Morgan dollar coins fold and work good with dies and press??..can get them at a local coin shop here in Kentucky if they will work ok ...thanks for videos ..Ron
I'm sure they would work great. I've never used them personally though.
Another great vid! Hope any newcomers to coin ring making see this video!!
Ottimo lavoro, grande creatività che noi italiani apprezziamo tanto e ottime riprese video. Complimenti
Thanks!
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint grazie per i contenuti divulgati
At 4:00. Instead of tape, just drive four little nails into the wood around the quarter and it won't go anywhere.
Still has a tendency to spin when drilling
If you're in Canada, could you pop the centre of a toonie to make the hole at the start?
SUCCulent Lemon Canadians and their weird speak haha. I literally have no idea what a roomier is haha. By the way just messing around not being an actual butthead
I don’t see why not
If you don't have a drill, and don't have a friend with a drill, then maybe they guys with the drills don't want YOU as a friend :)
Grey video thank you. What is the liquid you drop it in after heating? Thanks
It’s called liver of sulphur.
You don't anneal metal by quenching in water you just locked the hardness by doing that. It has to be cooled slowly. You harden metal by increasing the temp to the proper heat you need for a particular hardness then quench it in oil, etc. cooling it quickly locking the crystalline structure vs letting it realign slowly.
You are working with steel
Can I use a brass hammer instead of the teardrop, or rawhide mallets?
I don’t even know what to say, BUT WOW!!
So cool brother.
Jason Works Die 38 dollars
Coin Anvil 38 dollars
( personally i would say just buy the "mint" Starter kit at 106 dollars Your spending 72 on just those 2 pieces)
Home Depot Torch 20 dollars
two cheap hammers lets say 20 dollars
Set Screw Coupler was 2.48
Ring Mandrel 14.00
Slush fund for odds and ends 20.00
So basically 200 dollars to start a new business or hobby.
Knowledge of learning a new skill and craftsmanship to make money.... Priceless.
Everyone is making coin rings with these ring tools that press the coin instead of the old fashioned way of just using a spoon. I have made several coin rings using just a common table spoon. It requires a silver coin and there will not be any of the original coin image left on the outside though. This method was the way people made wedding bands in the old days. You just tap the edge of a silver coin with the spoon. It will slowly bend the silver and when you get it to the width you want, you drill out e middle and polish it. It takes a long time, but you only need a spoon and a drill.
Jonathan Campbell quicker with a small hammer lol
can you make a video of this?!?!
Jonathan Campbell you are correct sir. Everyone is using these CoinRing tools to make rings these days. NOBODY is using a spoon and a month to make CoinRings these days. Sure, I’ve tried it. Realized after 2 hours and not much progress, I need to buy some tools
Kormatoes I have used a chasing hammer to make it go faster, but it is difficult to keep it round and even.
Robert Butcher There are advantages to using the spoon method: 1) It is an incredibly annoying and passive aggressive way of driving a roommate crazy 2) It is the only way to get the words from both sides of the coin to appear on the inside of the ring. 3) Other than drilling out the middle, it requires no tools except a spoon. 4) It is a labor of love just from the sheer amount of time spent tapping the coin and shaping it. 5) The smooth outside can be engraved and the inner portion between the words of the coin can be engraved. Of course the disadvantages would be 1) It is incredibly annoying to tap the coin for months 2) It isn’t feasible to make a ring this way for profit.
This was so kool, that looks great. I can tell you take pride in your work and product. I loved the link as well...
This is really cool. How do you get a larger ring size? Do you need to start with a larger coin or is there a limit to what sizes can be made?
Put finished ring on the mandrel and tap the ring towards the larger end, stretching it. Use a wooden mallet. Turn ring 180 often.
when you anneal a metal you are suppose to let it cool slowly. when you dunked it in the water like that it hardened the metal. Please correct me if I am wrong.
This was awesome on so many levels. You deserve the gold metal for this one. This will definitely help out many.
Don’t give this man a gold metal he will just turn it into a ring bahahahaha 😆
He would have to make the medal himself, I think!
Would an aluminum mandrel do the job or does it have to be steel? For resizing
It would need to be steel.
It's a 1-1/2-in Set Screw Conduit Coupling
costs a couple bucks.
Cast........they make steel ones as well. DD
How did you know how many business cards you needed? I don't fully understand how you got the center of the coin with a random stack of cards. I'm trying to center punch a coin for a different project any advice would be great
The stack of cards puts the pen at a given height above the table... The coin is perfectly circular...
So the pen makes a mark at given distance from the edge of the coin to the center.
This holds true no matter what rotation the coin is in.
So if you rotate the coin you make a lot of little marks at precisely that distance between the edge of the coin in the center of the coin.
Thanks for the video, quick question: what was the expensive tool that was replaced? Apologies if that was explained in the video, I am still learning.
I totally agree! So the drill makes sense because that's a lot cheaper than some expensive press. But i guess according to this dude everyone has some expensive drill bit, some expensive random sizer and dyes laying around that sizer thing that gradually gets bigger as you go down the shaft i dont have one nore would i even be able to guess where to find one
You guys are kidding.... You're expecting to do this with no tools? Pray for an increase in minimum wage.... You're both obviously going to need it. My nephew makes these. He's in Middle School. He works at small jobs and generally buys his tools without asking anyone for anything.....
@@nothankyou5524, ha ha ha go flaunt your riches elsewhere. As for no tools no idiot i have basic tool wrenches, sockets, screw drives, punches, and some power tools as well as for your son im sure he has alot more to spend on tools then a divorced father of two. With two children that he has to pay child support on. You know being that hes a child who lives with mommy and daddy and eats their food, no rent, no real expenses?! Yeah thought so shut your mouth and consider not everyone has the cookie cutter life like you my kids lived in some of the wrost neighborhoods you can think of maybe you might have heard of some of them Ferguson mo. The "warzone" nm. We went to bed hearing gun shots and sirens your little bastard probably lived in a mansions in Hollywood or that really nice castle in the middle of the woods. Moral being yes I am poor yes I may not have an extensive tool collection like how you probably do. But I don't sit there and criticized anyone who was not brought up my way and try to make other people feel bad for being poor.
Yes great ring. My question is don't the clad quarters turn your finger green after wearing. So how do you treat the ring so your finger does not turn green? Thank you
Yes they do. The best way to avoid it is to use silver coinage.
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint Thank you, Or I guess I can get out my powder coating equipment thank you
interesting method. Less specific tools for sure, however still some.
If you want to anneal your coin you can use a gas stove (just make sure not to burn yourself, use metal tongs). I also use a gas stove for soldering silver rings/pendants, it works surprisingly well.
Thank You very much for simplifying what I thought would be a very expensive venture!
What sizes will the .9x1.0 17* die produce?
looks like an 1-1/2" EMT Set Screw Coupling
Looks like someone cut a 2 inch EMT coupler in half lol.
@@robertkywildcats9266 It's 1-1/2". It is marked on the coupling.
Wow ! I'm so impressed with your limitless knowledge ! You have proven how superior your intellect is to everyone else !
Great video! So to make rings from size 3 to 6, you need to get 1) .9- 1.0, 17 degree die, 2) .9- 1.0, 25 degree die, and 3) die anvil? Does compressing both sides create the "fat tire" look. On Jason's site, some dyes are called "fat tire". Is there a difference? Thanks for your help.
The 25° die will give you the best chance for a fat tire look.
Thanks for getting back to me! I actually more interested in the size reduction. Do I need the 25 degree to reduce below a size 6 or can the 17 degree reduce below size 6, too? Thanks, again. Beautiful work! BTW- I just tried to make my first ring 30 minutes ago and it is a little wavy and uneven. You make it look so easy!
@@shadow928x I honestly don't know. I usually dont pay attention to which die I'm using.
This is pretty damn sweet, i've been looking for a new hobby, will be getting on this here in the next few days.
Doesn't putting the coin in water after heating it up harden it?
Yes... yes it does. That tempered it ... anieling is letting it cool down really slowly
@@mythiccoleman Only for steels. Non ferrous metals are annealed by heating to a high heat followed by a severe quench, water in this case
Very interesting! Nice ring!!! Hello from Russia!!!
Очень интересно! Красивое кольцо!!! Привет из России!!!
Any suggestions for someone who wears size 13 to 14 rings?
@Dan Hester thanks!
Doesn't quenching harden the metal? That's what I was taught.
Steel, yes. Non ferrous metals, no :)
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint Annealing is done to relieve the hardness of cold working. Just as it is being done in ferrous metals, by subjecting the alloys to heat at a specific temperature and then allowing it to cool slowly to room temperature. the slow cooling allows full precipitation of the constituents and produces a refined microstructure.
You are tempering the metal when quenching.
in order to make multiple sizes, do you need multiple die's or can you just buy a small one and size it up by hammering it on the mandrel?
"Bendable" is that the same thing as "pliable?"
With metal it's usually called malleable.
I enjoyed it, how much do you sell them?
I don't have the other tools. Just the hammer and the coin
You don't need a ring sizer you can use a drift pin. And the unibit he uses can be picked up anywhere. Harbor freight puts them on sale every couple of months
you can make a coin ring with just a coin and spoon. I have made one before. google it.
Check with the shop teacher at your local high school, they might lend a hand with some of it.
What if you were to tape the coin, then drive in a few finishing nails tightlt around the coin to help hold it from sliding?
Ok, you've earned a new subscriber for simply having ska jazz "elevator" music.
A wonderful and distinguished channel. I wish there was an Arabic translation.. Thank you and we are always waiting for your new one
Here is a good one for a laugh... Back in 2006' I was cleaning a box store parking lot on 3rd shift. I found a round piece of metal that was 1/4 inche thick. I decided to use it for a ring,
(Maybe I started the fad of steel rings 😋). Years later I found out that it was a part of a craftsman socket wrench. I finally got the right cleaners to polish it. I forgot how heavy it was, I had an itch on the back of my head and I went and hit the back of my head, good thing it was at night, I let out a yell of pain that could be heard over the entire parking lot! 😋 I still have the "ring".
Whats that Tool called you Use to make the Ring smaller and where can i get one?
The moment when you hope it's a old video, and it isn't so you have to wait for the new video to make a size 11 😑
But does it turn your finger green?
No, you'd have to make it out of paper money for it to do that
I didn't know quenching was a part of annealing.
Or is it just me?
Only in this video.
I was taught 55 years ago that to anneal copper washers you had to heat it to cherry red and let it cool naturally. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?
@@colincrooky
Nope
With some metals if you quench too soon after heating the metal will get brittle and sometimes crack 🤷
@@RedRedux
Annealing is the reverse of hardening.
No quenching! Slow cooling.
Thanks for posting of how to make a ring out of a coin without any press. It gives me an idea now of how to make a ring for myself. Again thanks....
I thought there was no "fancy tools". What's that fancy "C" shaped clamp device that was clamping thing down.
It's a bar clamp, they're like $8-$12 or less. You could use vice grips or pliers or your foot. Use your imagination for tool selection and not snarky questions.
After re-reading, I realized you may be joking, if so, well done!
LMAO
HA!!!
@@prescottmajette5290 I thought you really were mad about me asking.
Annealing uses a quench now to make it softer?
Watched this video a week ago made 5 of them and already sold them for $20.00 each. Dam I just check out your website I sold them way to cheap.
Right on! I started out selling mine for $15 each so you're doing great.
Can you link a cheap good mandrel??
4:48 - Or, you could just throw it away and start over and get the hole right the first time. It's a quarter, for heaven's sake. ;-) LOL
Or you could just make it out of something that doesn't put you at risk of committing a federal crime for destruction of federal property. Filming the destruction of US money and posting a video of committing a felony is just stupid.
@@davidulmer9774 lol. Sad, but true. But, he's just offsetting inflation cause by Biden's massive $1.9T paper money print. It's only a quarter, but every little bit counts. lol
@@robertzeurunkl8401 True. It is still, but seriously I was just joking around.
@@davidulmer9774 Yeah, I totally understand. ;-)
so does one dye work for all sizes? if not how many dyes should I buy ??
Freaking awesome. The artistic / engineering mind. I'd LOVE to be able to imagine and create like that!
doesn't water quenching after heating harden the metal? Is it better to air cool ?
It would for ferrous metal but doesn’t matter for non ferrous metals like gold silver and copper.
Anieling is when you let it cool down very slowly from the heat and let the grain structure relax.... you literally just did the opposite and tempered it.. and made it harder....
G'day Adam, It depends on the metal that's being treated. Steels are hardened by heating up to red and then quenching, but on copper, and it's alloys (Brass etc), it has the opposite effect making it very soft. It's how you treat copper and brass sheet for making hammered hollow ware. Cheers :)
Just an FYI when you anneal metals to reduce stress you heat then allow to cool slowly. When you are heating metal then quenching it it water or oil you are hardening it.
That would be true if the coin was made of steel. Copper and nickle.
haha, please change caption to "Making a Pro Coin Ring WITH Expensive Tools".... you are using Jason stuff.
38 dollars for the die, and 38 dollars for the anvil.. Thats the only 2 jason products he used.. so 76 dollars.. i be you spent more than that on dinners last month.
its only expensive because you cant see how this benefits you more than eating out or going to the bar. Once you have these 2 you can do rings and sell them which then they become FREE tools.
@@N0body247 Since 76 dollars isn't much for you, would you mind sending me the tools on your expense. Thank you so much.
@@PeterWraaeMarino Or you can figure out a way to adjust your spending and save enough to make that purchase.
you dont have an income problem you have a budget problem. You have a computer.. im sure it cost more than 76 dollars, phone... same thing.. The only difference is.. this makes you money. They others just make life easy.
76 isnt much.. when you realize you have other stuff that costs more.
Maybe sell the computer and buy the tools.
Prob solved. you either want to make money.. or make excuses.. you cant do both.
So when you anneal it, doesn't the water quench harden it? I thought you needed to let it cool naturally for the metal to anneal. Also say you dont have a die, what then?
Non ferrous metals like copper and silver dont harden when quenched like steel does. If you dont have a die, then you just stop at the hammering phase. That requires even less tools.
😱Just witnessed a 👉🏽felony‼️👻
I think that only applies if you intend to pass it along as currency after alteration.
@@elli003 defacing or destroying u.s. currency is illegal
@@gregsmith141 Congratulations Greg Smith, you got the double entendre'.
@@elli003 ok smart ass defacing is to cut a piece off and its still useable destroying is to make it unusable no double entendre
@@gregsmith141 what he's doing isn't illegal
Curious to why you quenched right after making it annealed if you wanted it softer?
It’s still hot enough probably so it’s not way too hot so it’s not hard to work with
will you be my freind, i have no drill? (:
Would it be possible to make one really small? I'm thinking a hole around 1/4", maybe just a little bigger. Maybe with a small coin, small hole, and small mandrel? I'm asking because I want to make one to fit on the wooden shank of a Missouri Meerschaum corn cob pipe, replacing the cheap metal ring they come with.
Sure! check out my last video
The coupler is a great idea, but if you dont have the die, what then lol
Then what?
What about putting three screws around the coin in the shape of a triangle to hold it in place?
I guess “expensive” tools is relative.... those dies he has are over $100... just to make coin rings!!! Smh
What kinda drill attachment did u use and we’re can u get it?
Are you kidding me, I'm about to make a forge shop from tools I'm buying from pawn shops. So if people really want to they can.
I may just try with the mandrel technique I live in New Zealand so things are expensive to import....thanks for the video😊
"Making a Pro Coin Ring Without Expensive Tools
" Literally uses several tools only craftsmen have in their garage.
And doesn't know how to anneal metal. He quenched it in water which is how you lock the hardness to anneal it you have to cool it slowly.
He doesn't use any specialty tools, just shit you have in your dad's garage. Not really sure why you're made as it's pretty much impossible to do any kind of craftsmanship like this without tools.
@@haven1048 I don't think many people have the resizing die.
I just checked out his site.
His ring prices are very good. I have seen plain steel rings go for $100- $200. I seen one that I am very interested in and as soon as I get the money, I'm ordering. If I tryed to make one I would mess it up big !
So... You pretty much failed at making a ring without specialized tools.
Expensive vs specialized....umm; okay class, whoever finds the difference 1st gets a smiley face sticker...go!
@@DanKoning777 yeah... But since he used a specialized, AND (his words) expensive die at the end of the video to size the goddamn thing...
You... can go fuck your hat. 👍
I have no idea how I got to this video but it was very interesting. Took me back to 1982 metal shop.
Way to make a ring that would only fit a 10 year old girl
Do you make them and sale them..and what is the biggest ring size you can make this way
Contact me through my website www.changeyoucanwear.net.
another option for securing the coin for drilling could be to put the coin more in the middle of that board and clamp a strip of wood or steel to the board with a clamp on each side, the securing board/metal just needs a hole big enough for the drill bit, ideally slightly larger so it doesn't need to be perfectly centered over the coin.
Im curious. Isn't this illegal to alter, deface, mutilate, impair, diminish, falsify, scale, or lighten any type of currency in the US?
According to Title 18, Chapter 17 of the U.S. Code
No, only fraud.
Found an alternative to the wood block method for clamping, 1/4 pipe union. Have to modify the part that fits against the piece that screws in to the nut. You have to file down that dome so you get a flat surface, then cut the remaining pipe off of it. To secure it either with a vise or a hobby vise. If you do go with a larger vise you need the wood for it to sit on. Even a drill press vise will work.
The union will accept a step bit btw.
Once you modified the union it'll accept any coin the size of an American quarter. You can also shove a piece of pex pipe as a shim for the smaller step bit. Tho that will need to be drilled out. I think it was 1/2 i used in my jig. It'll do a decent job of centering your coin tho you'll have to guide it a bit to make sure.
Anyways it worked for me, drill your pilot hole then bring in your step bit to reduce chance of it spinning.
Since the union comes in copper, larger ones in brass. It shouldn't marr your coin. Still experimenting and transferring it to the larger 3/4 one. The 3/4 union shouldn't need much modifying outside of filing down the dome as was done on the 1/4 union. A large flat washer should remedy the larger space on that piece that was filed down. I think fitting pex pipe fittings inside one another should remedy that large hole you're left with. Steel flat washer and a piece of leather should work as well.
Also a large c clamp works in place of a press if one doesn't have one paired with your large vice if you have one.
I thought annealing was letting It cool slowly. Didnt you just harden the steel?
If it was steel yes I would have hardened it. It isn't a ferrous metal though.
Why do you quench the coin after you are anneal it? Doesn't quenching change the structure and make it hardened? I was always taught that when you anneal something you let it cool naturally.
Right. Exactly the correct thing with ferrous metals. But non ferrous metals like copper, gold, and silver, quenching doesn't harden it.
@@CoinRingsfromTheMint How many Million Time's Have You Read This Same Statement or Been Told annealing hardens metal over the years? If I had a Quarter for each time I've heard this or been told this, I could Buy all those Expensive Tools I Dream About! Lol
@@grumpyiwegianpodcast3505 Lol it gets really old to be schooled almost every day for the last 8 years or so haha
Is it possible to do this with the Singapore $1 coin? I kinda want to see if it's possible to make the ring have the gold and silver kinda colour from it
Wow! That is amazing! How is the detailed maintained with all the pounding?
Soft material on the mallet head (rawhide) for the initial shaping. Lubricant and a specialty shaped die for the reducing. During the step with the anvil in the tube, most of the force was on the top/bottom so the sides stay clean.
Very nice of you work on the ring
Where did you get these tools?
Hi! I enjoyed the video! Just a few things that confuse me. When you anneal ferrous metals you heat till it's cherry red then let it cool slow. Non ferrous metals can be quenched when annealing? Will it work ether way? Why do you anneal it more than once? Thanks!
Those were some great tips for those who can't afford expensive tools because anything with Jason's name on it is high dollar but he has quality tools. Thanks for sharing Skyler.
Change you can wear, what size of Swedish wrap die do I need to reduce a half dollar coin ring to a size 7 1/2, or can flat wall ring be made with folding/reduction die?
Not the smallest one but the next size up one. You can see them on www.jasons.works.
To hold the coin for drilling, try putting 3 or 4 flat head screws into the wood just around the perimeter of the coin. The heads will hold the coin. Add small washers if needed.
4 small nails basically. Start with 2, place coin against them, lock it with the other 2/4. Simple
What size should I drill the hole?