The first one was confirmed by the PDA, the gun was able to use the gravity of the planet to curve around it + the doomsday device was told to have malfunctioned which is why life is still on the planet
I love the Degasi voice logs so much. Bart and Maida represented two types of players: the passive researcher, and the aggressive survivor. I like that they had mutual respect and it’s not preaching one over the other. Maida earned my respect forever when she took on a Reaper by herself to try to save Paul, who she didn’t even like. What’s that saying, in their last moments people show you who they really are.
Now see, if this was subnautica 1, Maida wouldn've survived and I don't mean if she switched roles with Ryley, but if her story was written similar to the other female survivors like Yu or the unnamed one, with both dying either gruesomely from curiosity, or pathetically owing to emotional damage which...again, forced them to do something OTHER THAN survive which is stupid...
So this actually inspired me to go replay some Subnautica below zero and as I discovered one of the "museums" you were talking about, he stated that as the bacterium spread, the continuation of life became uncertain, so these were built as places to reflect. So there actually was a purpose to them!
Heres my theory about the emperor not hatching her eggs sooner: The emperor didnt want to help the precursors. They trapped her and her babies in a cage. She wanted to make sure her babies had a better life and were not trapped in more cages like her. The last thing she wanted to do was help them. When riley came she could tell he had good intentions. He also activated the exit portal which explains why she didnt hatch her eggs sooner via peepers.
That would make sense - but I feel like that was quite the risk by the emperor since if she died before another intelligent creature made it to her (by incredible luck) the eggs would never hatch :)
@@TheLastBacon True, but the emperor probably knew that, if the eggs hatched, the precursors would've probably killed at least some of the babies, in order to investigate, and maybe all of them.
@@TheLastBacon She also didn't give you the hatching enzyme recipe until you activated the portal which means she wanted to make sure you let her babies live a normal life or else everyone dies.
My personal headcanon for Maida surviving is her eating the leviathan and getting the cure that way. None of the leviathans seem to be affected by kharra and it could be that the reaper's flesh had enough of whatever kept them going that Maida unknowingly cured herself that way. I think it makes sense that the Precursors wouldn't have figured that out since they don't seem to need to eat judging by Alan, and other human survivors wouldn't think to eat the reapers when other far easier prey are available. As for why sector 0 still has life, that could be anything really. I think the info from the PDA can't be taken for 100% fact given that the scanner couldn't have possibly had perfect information on everywhere on the planet. There could very well be something besides the Sea Emperor that kept life sustained elsewhere on the world. While it's clear that the cold doesn't stop Kharra, it could still slow its affect and spread, and there could easily be some unknown factor in the region that further keeps life alive even while the bacteria is fully active. I feel that the PDA in the first game gives only partially accurate information based on the limited scope of its abilities. Thus it shouldn't be relied upon for solid fact. If the bacteria is as fast and lethal as it says, there's no way a bunch of trained peepers will be able to hold the crisis at bay. The ecosystem survived the time period it took to train the peepers to even deliver the cure to the outside world, so I think while the peepers helped, there was far more at work in keeping the world alive. Life is resilient that way.
I got a theory on how sector zero is still alive, this would also explain how margartit is alive. The cold cant eliminate karhaa but maybe it does put it in a dormant state. Like when you put larvea in a frige. They dont die but they are inactive
@@TheLastBacon It could be something else in the water, like the peepers in the first game, some bacteria resistant material could naturally make below zero habitable. This material might not have been present when the leviathan was frozen, which would have most likely happened thousands of years ago.
IT could also be that, since in BZ the cure IS plants,Maybe they we're Part of the natural diet of all the creatures we see,maybe Theres more plants witch slow down Karaa for the ones that live deeper down. That could also explain Marguerit
In infavorable conditions such as extreme cold some bacteria form spores. Those are basicaly inactive forms of the cells with thicker walls witch help the bacteria to love trough bad conditions. Once the conditions are right they start to proliferate again.
when i started playing the game i got it completely blind. I had never heard of the game and thought it was like minecraft so had no fear. when i started a survival world i had no clue what to do, Therefore i ventured straight to the back of the aurora. I did not know the horror i was about to awaken. The amount of lore i discovered and had so many therorys about, like were crabsquids sending the creepy messages that warpers send. i eventually watched a walkthrough and my mind was blown. Thanks for being such a good content creator, keep it up bacon
I remember reading somewhere that the gun was in fact able to use the planet's gravity to curve around the planet and hit targets anywhere I can't remember where I read this, but I'm pretty sure it was in the game's data logs somewhere
It's the terminal entry for the control button itself. How exactly a 'laser' could curve, I have no idea, but Subnautica and physics have never had a relationship that makes any sense whatsoever, so I like to take that one at face value.
Since you can't find any "modern day" leviathans infected with kharaa I've always just assumed they have some kind of natural immunity to it, and with Marguerit having eaten most of an entire reaper maybe it somehow transferred some of that immunity?
@@TheLastBacon temporary and robin and al-an talked about how architect bodies are made out of 27(not sure if it's 27) different species and if it could infect 1 of them it could find a way to infect all the others
@@TheLastBacon introducing the sea dragon leviathan and disease research facility where they tried to do that but ended up almost causing genocide to a planet
I think it says in game somewhere that the QEP can bounce the laser off the atmosphere to hit a target anywhere on the planet. Marguerite survived by eating the peepers carrying the enzyme, the same way everything else survives kharaa. The remaining emperor eggs need a specific enzyme, which she couldn't make while in the tank, and they couldn't detect her trying to communicate with them. I think she wasn't really training the peepers, she was just grabbing them as they came into the safe area and let them go again.
How would Marguerit have access to the peepers in Sector 0 for 10 years though? Since they don't appear there and arctic peepers don't appear in the emperor's tank :)
But then where would she find the peepers in the void? Because reapers don't appear to be infected in the game I assume they're immune to kharaa and because she fed on one's flesh she didn't get infected/cured herself just like fishes feeding on peepers carrying the enzyme, that's just my theory tho and it's highly possible it wasn't really like that.
@@darkdragonpl9229 Peepers don't get infected because later on in the game it is revealed that they were genetically modified or enslaved to carry the incomplete enzyme around, and are how it is distributed after you complete the game.
I honestly love the implication that marg is just to angry to bother helping anyone. Including the sea emperor who could have cured her a lot earlier than expected and AL-AN who literally could have gotten her off the planet. Also some explanation for sector zero still being alive is that it was close to extinction but was revived when the sea emperor’s spread out across the planet similar to how biomes with no peepers in the first game become more and more empty. And yes it is canon that sea emperor’s live outside the crater as evidenced by they’re giant size and the fact a juvenile used to be in the lily pad islands
I always thought of Leviathans in general produce the enzyme, even reapers, but not in the quality and quantity to be used to cure others, so maybe Marguerit survived because she ate nearly a whole Reaper?
For Marguerit not dying from Kharaa: I think it is completely believable she was one of the rare individuals who was able to resist it long enough to become immune to it. I don't think any entry on Kharaa ever implied the mortality rate was 100% despite it being very very high. Her developing resistance as a result of eating reapers could make sense as well. And if that's the case then how would the Architects not know? Well they don't exactly eat and they were so focused on the Sea Emperor that it makes sense that and other possible cures just weren't on their radar. Reapers possibly being resistant also reminds me how whales and dolphins are way less likely to get cancer than people due to the fact that they have a high amount of tumor suppression genes. Kharaa is mentioned to have mutation properties and since Kharaa is not seen on Leviathans, it could be that they already developed the necessary supression genes for other gene-mutating mishaps and are therefore better equipped to fight off Kharaa.
It is true we never hear about kharaa being 100% fatal (as far as I remember) but we also never hear about anyone surviving it - like all the PDA entries are very factual with the bacterium progressing until it kills you with no other option :) But I like the idea that despite all odds, Marg would just be epic enough to be immune.
@@TheLastBacon Actually, Bart is the only person we can be pretty certain died of Kharaa. The other Aurora survivors either drowned, got eaten by wildlife, were killed by Warpers as carriers, or blew themselves up, first. The people from the Mercury II whom the captain was forced to maroon only had two weeks' supplies, so they probably froze, starved, and/or got killed by snow stalkers long before any of them could die of, or demonstrate Maida-style resistance to, Kharaa.
I did notice playing below zero, Maurgarite has a blue tablet on the floor of her base, but maybe she ate a golden peeper, or maybe the arctic peepers also carried it? Or maybe it’s just the first one had the Red Dwarf isolated feel and it was important to believe that all three Degasi survivors died because they couldn’t compromise and work together, while zero had a less isolated feel that included meeting another human and spoken dialogue that went better w it’s theme, not sure but great video thanks for making them 😀
For the first one, laser can go around the planet, i see people already said that in comments. And Architects already have the phasegate on the arctic biome, so they can go under the radar of the laser. Edit: About the Marguerit, there are some special peepers in the mushroom forest biome that make the enzyme. So maybe she ate one and got cured before the leviathan attacked her.
Hmm I wonder if the phasegate is low enough for it to not activate since it did shoot Mercury when they tried to leave :) And also, wouldn't having a functional phasegate sort of nullify the concept of the quarantine? You could be onto something though!
@@TheLastBacon The phase gates from below zero at least, are located in the arctic biome and somewhere in the space, not the atmosphere. So it is not detected by laser. Mercury mostly dodged the first blast when entering, but couldn't do it while exiting the planet. As said "infected individuals may not disable the weapon.", they didn't disable it. And it doesn't nullify the concept of quarantine because they would not return, and only an architect could activate the phasegate, so it would be useless to others. Also read the Edit about Marguerit.
I think that for the enforcement platform to be disabled, an individual will have to be scanned multiple times. If they are scanned, and have the bacteria, but then come back free of it, it would make a little more sense than for it to deactivate.
That would certainly make more sense for Ryley - though I guess it would require an individual to have been infected (and scanned) in the first place :)
About the QEP, besides the fact that the PDA confirms that it can curve, I wanna try and explain what else you brought up. For one, it being set to destroy everything might have been done with the idea in mind that the precursors were still there to keep searching for a cure. Alternatively, the PDA states that “It is currently operating without parameters, suggesting it will target any ship within range.” This implies that the precursors may have had set parameters to allow for any potential off world solution to come in, but for whatever reason, the parameters had gone away or weren’t able to be set before they died out. The deactivation mechanism can also be explained. If the precursors or any other alien species had found the cure for one of them, then likely they would have had the cure in general for the whole population, so only requiring one person is just a matter of efficiency. Furthermore, the disease spreads incredibly easily, so it is highly unlikely or potentially impossible that another species could have just stumbled upon the gun’s deactivation mechanism without getting infected first; therefore, one species being able to interact with it without being infected must signify that a cure has been found. For the sea emperor eggs, training the peepers to carry and spread the incomplete cure is completely different than training them to recognize obtain plants that the sea emperor can’t show them. The precursors may have just simply not deduced that the way to hatch them naturally was through enzymes synthesized from certain plants. No matter how you slice it, the idea of hatching an egg by giving it enzymes made from a specific set of plants is a strange conclusion, so perhaps they just had not considered the possibility. Even if they did, it is also unlikely that they could have figured out the exact set of plants in the exact proportions to create the enzyme they need.
I always thought that peepers were meant to transport some kind of medicine that blocks kharaa (the incomplete enzyme) for living beings who eat them and that they were automatically transferred through the planet. It would solve the mystery for margarett (eating the levizthans corpse which means she had some way to block it) And how all species were able to survive
The thing is - the incomplete enzyme carried by peepers only temporarily helped - it wouldn't stop it permanently :) Plus I mentioned the peeper issue towards the end.
@@TheLastBacon Could be that large predators in the first game share a common ancestor, with the sea emperor being the closest relation, and that they all have some bacteria resistant enzymes in their system, but can't spread it like the sea emperor does. This might be as to why as you progress through the first game, animals and small-medium predators develop symptoms of kahraa, but not the leviathans. So when she floats on the reaper, and presumably consumes it, she introduces these enzymes into her own system.
@@wizardpajamas6405 The frozen leviathan is a land creature, while all the leviathans in the first game are sea creatures. Not to mention that sector zero and the crater are far apart from another, it's unlikely that the sea emperor and other sea leviathans share a common ancestor with the frozen leviathan, and if they did, it would have to be hundreds of millions, if not billions of years ago where the division between walking and swimming happened. So it's still entirely within the realm of possibility that the leviathans in the first game share a common ancestor with the sea emperor and that doesn't have to be the same ancestor as that of the frozen leviathan.
@@wizardpajamas6405 Also, the frozen leviathan reminds me of a giant bull, which is not a predator. Also herbivores end up being the largest organisms...
About the Kharaa maybe it just slows down in the cold ? The last of Kharaa could still be alive and just feeding off the leviathan ? Or Marg was lucky enough to never have caught it as it does take the player a few hours to catch it. As for the museum I think Alan’s homeworld might have been too dangerous and infected to live on, it could have been a relocation situation or how Alan mentions in the garden where we scan the bones “when infection numbers grew high we would come here to reflect” maybe architects where so few in number they tried to make it feel more like home/comforting as they had found a possible cure I don’t think they planned on leaving until they got it. Or perhaps they were just to value to leave behind or recently found like the translator could’ve been used on the emperor but failed ?
nope, Marg 100% was infected. in one of the Degasi logs, Bart asks her and Paul if they've felt sick, describing the symptoms of the Kharaa, and it's Marg herself who says she's experiencing the symptoms of it
i personally think, for the last one, precursors do it because it makes them feel more proud of their work. a sort off confidence boost y'know? looking at what you discovered, and displaying it for pride. also, because of the music, i recently played ddlc and god.. what a game.
my theory about the existence of life in sector 0 involves the only surface animal that both games have in common, which are the skyrays.We know that they ate fish in the crater region, and that they possibly made constant migrations between the crater and sector 0. In short, I believe that skyray fecal residue (which probably contained the pepper enzyme) was responsible for preserving life in that place.
Skyrays don’t eat fish. The PDA makes special note that they have never been observed diving into the water, suggesting they are a completely herbivorous species.
The egg one can be answered easily by saying the precursors were probably going to focus on the Sea Emperor eggs next but the sea dragon kinda fucked everything up. Also since Marguerite served in the Federation military (which came across Kharaa in NS2 because the aliens they fight had it or at least a strain of it), it’s possible that she got that strain but managed to survive and as a result, she managed to develop a resistance to it and the Kharaa we see in Subnautica was similar Enough that Marguerite did experience symptoms but managed to recover.
There are actually multiple ways to explain how sector zero survived kharaa, 1. Below zero takes place two after the base game, thus the cure has had two years to circulate the planet, so everything is most likely cured. 2. In the early development story for below zero, you could meet one of the sea emperors hatched from the first game, meaning that could've spread the cure in sector zero. 3. Like many other people are saying, the cold just slowed down the kharaa to an incredibly slow speed
Yeah but these are relatively easy to debunk :) 1. Right - but that would mean life had to survive there ever since kharaa was released 1000 years ago since we see unique species in Sector 0 2. True - but these have since been cut so they aren’t cannon 3. This still wouldn’t work on organisms that need to stay warm to survive - plus, if it was that simple - why wouldn’t the precursors have used it?
One possibility for why sector zero isn't absolutely borked is that while the cold doesn't get rid of Karaa it does weaken it and make it less agressive, allowing the species there to survive without too much worry for it
In my opinion is that maybe kharaa never reached sector 0 and that the frozen leviathan isnt from sector 0, but from another part of the planet or from one of the first game area
Re: QEP It's quite likely that there are orbital relays for the laser. As for disabling it, the precursors were probably a high-trust society and delivering a cure could just be done via orbital drops. Re: the eggs I assume they can't hatch without the emperor wanting them to (and unless the portal is turned on hatching them is pointless) Re: museums I assume the planet was a research outpost before Kharaa and it's reasonable they'd have some exhibits of their work
I like the idea that the emperor has to "want" the eggs to hatch :) Then again, it should have probably wanted them to hatch with the precursors already. I was also thinking maybe the gun could be disabled remotely?
I think that the reason why sector zero creatures are alive is the same reason why there are creatures alive in the crater. It's pretty likely that the crater creatures were helped greatly by the enzyme peepers, but the sector zero creatures may have been either on the brink of extinction until one of the emperor babies (which was cut from the game) swam over there, or they had plot armor and unknown made them immune to karaa
The biggest plothole is how Marguerit, while fighting a Reaper, somehow rode it out of the cave she was in, and rode it for weeks while it floated from the Crater to Sector Zero. Friendly reminder that people have floated in the Pacific Ocean for MONTHS without seeing *any* land, and in 3 weeks she just floated right to Sector Zero.
The original story wasn't great, but, I do miss it. This "Evil Alterra" plot line just feels too ham fisted yknow? Like, I know they're a scummy corporation who's also incompetent, but I'll never buy the whole "Authoritarian trying to weaponize Kharra" bit
Here are my best guesses for the plot holes: - There is a PDA entry that describes the gun can use the planets gravitational field to bend the laser to anywhere on the planet. - The doomsday device located in the QEP was said to have malfunctioned, likely meaning the Precursors attempted to use it but luckily failed. - My best guess for Marguerite's survival is that since the Reaper leviathans eat so many fish, there were likely high amounts of Enzyme 42 located within its flesh, or she just did not contract the disease. - The precursors, while being very advanced may have very well just overlooked the recipe for the hatching enzymes. - The Sector 0 one stumped me but my best guess is that the creatures there either found another way to cure it or there is a natural immunity in the majority of the creatures there. - Just because it was meant for a place of work does not mean it cannot be decorated. I don't think this really qualifies as a plot hole.
Perhaps Kharaa already killed almost all life in Sector 0 once and that the life we see flourishing now survived either due to a possible genetic mutation that made it resistant or even immune to Kharaa or out of pure luck. Essentially it killed all life that it could in the area and without any more hosts to infect, it nearly died out itself with the only remnant being found frozen in the ice unable to infect anything.
@@TheLastBacon There is a concept in biology, called bioaccumulation, where contaminates will concentrate more the higher into the food chain they go. As Reapers are near the top they would likely have a lot of the diluted enzyme gathered into their bodies from their prey. Since Marguerite ate presumably all of the reapers flesh and was exposed to this accumulated enzyme. Either curing her or delaying the Kharra enough for the baby Sea Emperors to reintroduce the concentrated Enzyme 42 to the ecosystem.
about Marguerit not being infected: reapers dont get sick in the game, so they might be immune. she ate the reaper and if the reaper really is immune, she became immune as well. which really just makes more questions like why didnt the precursors use reapers to make a cure
@@TheLastBaconmaybe the sea emperor had the most enzyme or the most efficient enzyme, but other leviathans also have something similar. It made Marguerite immune, but it wouldn't have helped cure the entire planet.
I think the reasons museums exist is for a monumentary purpose for beings in the future that might make their way to the planet. Considering their civilization was also about to get wiped by the bacteria, it wouldn't be surprising for them to leave some relics in different places they've been. It's kinda like a time capsule.
Maybe some of the items displayed - eggs, bones, specimens - were intended to provide clues to what they'd been working on, so future visitors might complete their work. Other items - sword, yin-yang - may have been left as a potential "Hello" to other sentient species the Architects knew about, that might potentially *become* those visitors, given time to advance their primitive technology a bit further. As for the quarantine, the displays may have been set up in the anticipation that the search for a cure would simply fail to come up with anything, and that the Architects' 4546B operations would quietly be shut down, sterilized of all Kharaa samples, and abandoned, not demolished by a raging mama sea dragon.
My guess? Given how hot the Active Lava Zone is, keeping the Sea Emperor's tank at a comfortable temperature for her and her sustaining ecosystem would have been tricky even for the Architects. Easy solution? Have a seventh vent for water exchange, that's linked to polar seas via a miniature always-open transport arch. Some of the enzyme-carrying peepers in the tank's outflow pipes accidentally pass through the wrong tube and get dumped into Sector Zero by way of this vent. They quickly freeze to death, but their carcasses regularly carry a biome-preserving dose of Enzyme 42 into the polar food chain. The only reason we don't see Arctic peepers in the inflow pipes is that they're wary of the warm water streaming out of the other half of the seventh vent, so avoid it instinctively, same as they avoid the tops of thermal spires and tree spires.
The laser from the gun curving around the planet to hit a target would be a crazy view from space, imagine a green bean suddenly curve like a ring and then hit some Poot bastards. What a sight, and a pity as well for whoever got hit
The Precursors didn't know that the Peepers were bringing the plants needed for the Hatching Enzymes and simply thought they were bringing back snacks. However, they had teleporters to all the plant locations. Maybe, they built the teleporters after they realized the Peepers didn't just want some meal variety. By then, it was too late to make the enzymes.
And yes, Bart Torgal did get visions of the Sea Emperor, but there is no evidence any of the Degasi crew actually went to the Primary Containment Facility.
Maybe Marguerit is still alive, because she spend a lot of time on Leviatan body, consuming it, and eventually she developed some form of immunity? Maybe all Leviatan forms are immune to Kharra, like Ghost Leviatans in abyss?
My theories: 1. QEP: There is more than one on the planet but not at every biome. They probably have an enormous range, so maybe about 4-5 is needed to cover the planet entirely. This explains why Sector Zero has none. There is simply no need to build one in so many areas. 2. Marguerit might have been eating enzyme host peepers and other animals that ate the enzyme host peepers (so now they also have the unstable enzyme in their tissues). This kept delaying her death. 3. Although to us it seems easy, and the plants are easy to find, the Architects had absolutely no idea where to begin. For one, they had to find out what materials/plants they needed and how many needed to be combined. First, they also had to find out that an enzyme is even required and the eggs cannot hatch on their own. Also the interactable plants are quite literally the fraction of the flora present on the planet, so they had to try all of them. That is millions of species. Imagine you are presented with millions of symbols and you had to guess the code of a door. But you are not told which ones are needed and how many. It would take you hundreds, even thousands, millions of years to guess the code. 4. Why isnt sector zero dead? Because of the enzyme host peepers. They didnt just affect the fauna and flora of the crater but the entire planet. The same way how one ecosystem is intertwined with the ecosystem of another biome on our own planet. Those peepers are eaten by fauna, including aerial ones that cover great distances, and those that do great migrations across the planet. After eating the peepers, now their tissues also carry the unstable enzyme, so they keep spreading it. Hence why the trained peepers saved the whole planet, not just the crater. 5. I would assume the Architects brought them to 4546B as inspiration. They are a species focused on thoughts, thinking, and progress. Taking inspirations from the memories those items mean to their collective might be important to form entirely new ideas or to to remind them of what they are fighting for. Like the gardens and statues as they have nothing to do with science either. Al-An clearly states that the gardens and statues are a means of recollection. So part of mental health and relaxation. They take their mental health just as seriously as their physical health. Unlike us, humans.
Very good theories! :) I'll play the devil's advocate: 1. That's fair I suppose, but sector 0 is already quite far from the first game based on what we see at the end of it, AND it's a massive precursor outpost - if not there, then where? 2. Maybe - but we know they don't make it over to BZ (since there are no peepers from the crater there) so that wouldn't work 3. True, but then again - they're able to do things like store a whole consciousness - running millions or billions of combinations through a computer should only take them a second once they'd gathered the samples 4. Yeah same as #2 5. Maybe yeah - good point about the gardens!
@@TheLastBacon 1. It might be a massive outpost and a big biome but we dont realistically see all of the biome. So maybe there is a QEP in the arctic, just not in the playable area. They dont necessarily need to be close to an outpost, I think. Heck, there might be one underwater that rises onto the surface when activated. 2. The enzyme hosting peepers might not make it to the arctic but fauna that ate those peepers could very well do so. Be it aerial or swimming. 3. Thing is, it isnt enough to run the combinations through a computer. They had to gather the materials, make those enzyme samples and then test them on the eggs if they work. That extended the duration of attempts majorly, I would imagine. 4. Intertwining ecosystems, as I have explained. A simple example are migratory birds on our planet. A stork living in middle Europe eats a fish with microplastics in its tissues. They migrate to Africa (entirely different continent and biome), where -say- a hyena eats it. Now its tissues will contain microplastics as well. Just an example of ecosystems of different biomes interacting. Not to mention there would be species living in the outskirts of two biomes, so they are preying on/preyed on by fauna in multiple biomes.
About QEP: What if precursors had some "backdoor" that could remotely disable the platform if the cure is delivered from offworld? About Marguerit: It's like a completely random guess, but what if Marguerit did not die because she ate something with an antidote in it (like peepers, or frost vase and fevered pepper, from which the Kharaa Antidote in BZ was made)? About fish from original game in sector Zero: Bladderfish, Boomerang, Hoopfish and infamous crashfish are existing both in Crater and sector Zero. By the way, have you heard about the game called "Hydrophobia"?
Good point about the other fish - but we never see those carry the incomplete enzyme :) And I definitely think it’s possible that some remote mechanism can disable the quarantine - just seems like that should maybe be the only way to do it haha!
I know that Im late to this, but there's a malfunctioned doomsday device in the QEP, answering the 2nd one. They had a failsafe to destroy the planet, but it malfunctioned and didn't go off.
@@TheLastBacon Im resisting the urge to go all butterfly effect now, especially since the device was supposed to destroy everything when the virus first broke containment XD... Cus the Aurora wouldve never crashed, nor would the Degasi, Mercury II, or the Sunbeam... In fact, Humans wouldve never laid their eyes upon system 4546, as the doomsday device wouldve wiped out the star as well, considering 4546B's relative close proximity. The only sentient beings that would've known of 4546's existence are the Precursor's (given they aren't all dead from Kaarah apart from Al-An), and given what we know from Al-An, they certainly don't seem to care about individual beauty of life. I guess this is similar to the saying: "If a tree falls down in a forest but nobody witnesses it, did the tree ever fall?" Oh sorry XD, ive gone rambling again XD
Here are some theories I thought of while watching the video: The QEP's beam probably curves around the planet. Leviathans are immune to Kharaa so (maybe) they also contain some sort of enzyme that might have cured Marguerit because she ate the reaper leviathan(?) The Sea Emperor said that the precursors could not hear her, so maybe they were just too technologically advanced that the Sea Emperor could not speak telepathically with them so she could not tell them about the hatching enzymes? About how the fauna got to Sector Zero, there was probably an ice age in 4546b where there could be an ice landmass connecting the Crater and Sector Zero which eventually thawed out, and that could be why we see versions of Crater fauna in there. I don't know about how they survived Kharaa though, could just be that they were infected but managed to survive until Enzyme 42 got released in Subnautica. I don't know why precursor museums would exist. Could be one of Al-An's stupid ideas.
My headcannon for Marguerit's immunity was, that the reaper simply ate a peeper carrying the enzyme, and Marguerit then ate the flesh from the reaper. It's not the best explanation, but I like to think that the reaper saved Marguerit in more ways than one
#4 is tough, but I think the Arctic Peepers could've once been real Peepers coming through Alien Vents during the timeline of the original game, but when the cure was discovered, the final peepers brought this back, permanently curing Sector Zero before you arrive. The vents were then buried, somehow, maybe tectonic activity, and the standard Peepers that couldn't return through the blocked-off vents evolved into the Arctic Peepers you see in Sector Zero today. They couldn't cure the Frozen Leviathan because it was sealed in a massive block of ice that the Peepers couldn't reach. It's a bit far-fetched but I refuse to accept a plot hole.
When you scan the ion core of the QEP it says the weapon can use the planets gravity to curve around the planet, possibly that’s the reason the mercury avoided it? It just missed after they dumped the nuclear waste. Also with marguerite surviving the karrara maybe the reapers absorbed a lot of incomplete enzymes through eating the peepers?
Kahara needs a host to live in, and in it's natural water-borne form, it flourishes in hot enviorments such as the lava zone where you can find the Lava Lizard and the Lava Crab as well as the dragon (whatever it's called). Many bacteriums in real life follow the same princible as long as they have high heat resistance, which is clearly seen in how Kahara behaves in the lava zone. One such real example of a bacteria that flourishes in hot water is Legionella. But, this bacteria goes dormant when water is stored at cold enougth temperatures. We can assume the same for Kahara. So, when Marguerit arrives at Sector Zero, it is very cold and the bacteria is in a dormant state, therefore she does not get Kahara. But, when the Frozen Leviathin was alive and walking the planet, we can assume that Sector Zero may have had a different climate, so Kahara was not dormate in the region and it got infected. Also, animals that are hostile in Sector Zero most likely got infected before the climate change. This solves the problem with Marguerit, and why there is still life in Sector 0, and also why the Frozen Leviathin was possibly infected.
But wouldn’t Marg need to stay cold? She presumably kept herself warm in the base/clothes :) Plus again - why wouldn’t the precursors have figured that out?
The second one Basically the sea empress didn’t want to have her kids trapped so she told them not to hatch (like real-life crocs) Also the music 07:32 D:
A lot of these plot holes were pretty obvious to me during either my first or second playthrough. Don't know why it took so long for other people so long to notice.
@@TheLastBaconIn that case I wasn't in the community for the longest time, the biggest Subnautica forum for me being r/Subnautica and that was only from 2018-19. All I did was read a few posts and never comment so I wasn't around long enough to see the complaints. But my three main complaints with the series so far is pretty simple: 1. The chances for both the Degassi and Aurora to crash pretty damn close to where all the important stuff the precursors left behind is pretty improbable considering that it's a planet 2. That Marguerite is sill alive of all things (I did not know this up until a few months ago due to me refusing to buying BZ for reasons not mentioned here). The only reason I can think of as an example is that the enzyme from the emperor's habitat was being pumped to multiple locations across the planet to preserve as much of the biosphere as possible. 3. Alan's incompetence as a researcher (the 900 y/o precursor I read about in one of the og game's lore scans isn't him right, because if he is than the precursors need to reevaluate their methodology for determining who's exceptional).
Personally, I like to chalk Maida's survival up to several factors. Maybe the cold of Sector Zero slows down the infection, combined with a natural resistance to it (we know Khaara moves at different speeds in individuals). My personal favorite theory is that most leviathans produce a substance similar to Enzyme 42, and that when Marguerit ate the Reaper, she also consumed an enzyme that cured her. It was a much weaker version of it (hence why the Precursors didn't bother using Reapers instead of Sea Emperors) but she consumed so much that it worked. Also, she's a stone-cold badass. Probably the most likely reason imo
Yeah I think even though there is no set canon explanation - when I spoke to one of the devs they pretty much confirmed it was the "eating the leviathan" option :)
Emperor eggs weren't hatched because the Sea Emperor had failed to communicate with the Precursors, and from conversations with Alan, they seem like an amoral species, or at least HIGHLY reduced morals. If she found some way to hatch the eggs on her own, the newborns would likely have just become more experiments. As for Sector 0, I have 3 thoughts: 1, cold could possibly slow, but not kill the infection. 2, bio accumulation. stalker eats enzyme peepers reaper eats stalkers, ghost leviathan eats reapers, ghost leviathan goes to void, food chain does food chain, something gets commonality with sector 0 creatures. There are also several original creatures that return, a simpler answer is that cured creatures swam there and got eaten by local creatures. 3, it did get hit. I counted, and there's 50 unique creatures in the crater, but only around 30 in Sector 0. Maybe some died?
Yeah my issue with the cured creatures is that we only see peepers carrying the enzyme - no other animal from the first game :) And of course, eating one would only grant one temporary immunity - for Marg.
for the fourth one, i would argue that the life cycle of the surviving creatures adapted to be fast enough to not see kaara as a major issue, a mouse can lives up to 9 years in captivity but usually doesn't get past 2 years in wilderness, so they reproduce fast
@@TheLastBacon it kills in weeks for humans ! Even stalker seems to survive longer, diseases that infect multiple species doesn't often go at the same rate in every one of them
Better idea than the QEP:Wrap the whole planet in a giant yellow tape saying ''DO NOT ENTER'' i mean, if the Aurora saw that, there was NO WAY they would go, prove me wrong.
1:00 the laser does curve around the planet. Was reading through one of the PDA logs and it said it uses the gravitational pull of the planet or something
I feel that the Precursors leaving behind the relics in their crater bases might be an additional fail safe mechanism or some form of warning about the dangers of becoming as advanced as they seemingly were before the population of their kind was decimated to near extinction level numbers should another intelligent life form (by some amount of sheer luck and amazing survival skills) find themselves stranded on the planet and (at least potentially) discover the bases left behind while attempting to escape and save the planet.
2:34 because the precursors didn't have the heart to destroy such a beautiful world! Even for their own good... The actual reason is because the device malfunctioned, I was sure you could have put that together
there are infact pieces of lore in the game that you can read that state that the enforcement platform's beam bends around the planets orbit in order to target ships
i have my own answers. 1platform.: the missiles could indeed be missile seeking and could detect it using the other bases in sector0 2Marguerit: she could have gotten the cure then wanted to move somewhere safe where the infection wasn't. then after she hid she still had some bacteria in her system and she was hiding next to the ice lev which gave some of her remaining virus to it. 3empeggs.: i think she cant even speak. and her only form of language was telepathic communication. thus they couldn't hear her. 4sector0 virus.: i believe the peepers got there then evolved after they landed in sector0. 5museum.: the devs just wanted weapons finally. i hope i saved the lore!
@@TheLastBacon She could have been a survivor In The first game that the player didn't come across. after the cure got out she could have got to sector 0 after being cured.
I'd argue that it is not outside the realm of possibility that The Emperor *did* try to get the precursors to hatch the eggs, they simply didn't catch on. As she put it, they were trying to *take* what she would freely give us. Based on what learn of them over the course of Subnautica and Sub Zero, I don't find it hard to believe that they A) were to tunnel visioned in to see any attempts at communication from her, and B) may have just been inherently incapable of perceiving any attempts. It also seems likely that if the Emperor made a quick judgement on their character, that she may have simply given up or even chosen to downplay the importance of the eggs, maybe obscuring what they were in some way, to avoid the eggs being experimented on.
My theory about marguerite is that it definetly had something to do with the reaper, as we don’t see any infected ones (although that doesn’t really explain why the precursors couldn’t do the same) Or maybe there was something in the void that cured her, as I don’t believe the precursors could have possibly explored all of 4546b, so they could have missed a creature/phenomenon that would kill the kharaa
I think maybe the way sector 0 survived was because of the fact that the cure had gotten out by that point, and if life in the crater could survive with the bacterium for that long then so can sector 0, and maybe the sky rays transported the cure like someone else said. And my far fetched theory as to why the precursors couldn’t find the plants necessary to hatch the emperor eggs was because the plants necessary to hatch the eggs had died out due to less pollination (dunno if that’s how it works underwater) from sea creatures due to the kharaa, and so the emperor had to learn of new plants that could hatch the eggs and by then the precursors were gone.
Well the only reason the crater survived was because of the emperor :) There were no emperors in sector 0 since we know the crater one was the last of its kind.
I mean we're on an alien planet filled to the brim with oceans, surrounded by pleasant creatures and creatures that want to murder you, corporate overlords that charge trillions of money by force, and our protagonist seems to be able to cheat death multiple times. And do I need to mention Marguerite and the Cuddlefish? Excellent video by the way
I think the precursor meuseums could be them putting there legacy/treasures on display for other species to see because (i might be remembering this wrong) but in the first game they we’re supposedly the last ones left so possibly before they died they wanted to put there technology on display
The first one was confirmed by the PDA, the gun was able to use the gravity of the planet to curve around it + the doomsday device was told to have malfunctioned which is why life is still on the planet
That makes sense :) Which PDA entry was it about the gun?
@@TheLastBacon one of the Mercury ii ones I think
@@TheLastBacon im surprised u dont know this tbh dude xD you get to read about it playing through the game
@@nul1fe Must've just missed that one tbh :)
@@TheLastBacon its all good, your only human (:
Marguerit : casually fight a Reaper leviathan
Meanwhile Kharra: oh hell no.
Yep :D
she's just too radical for kharra
*crashes of 4546b
*kills reaper leviathan
*survives karra bacterium
*refuses to elaborate
I think they tried to explain that she actually cut off the cysts that form from the bacteria which may have slowed the infection somehow?
@@gdeproductions1225 Ryley:
- crashes on 4546b
- gets kharaa
- saves the planet
- revives a leviathan race
- refuses to elaborate further
- leaves
I love the Degasi voice logs so much. Bart and Maida represented two types of players: the passive researcher, and the aggressive survivor. I like that they had mutual respect and it’s not preaching one over the other. Maida earned my respect forever when she took on a Reaper by herself to try to save Paul, who she didn’t even like. What’s that saying, in their last moments people show you who they really are.
Absolutely! The Degasi is actually my favorite part of the lore from the first game! :)
While Paul is the scared player that wants to remain on the surface.
I respect bart with my heart
well the main reason Maida's dishonorably discharged from military is because she's abandoned her mission to save civilians
Now see, if this was subnautica 1, Maida wouldn've survived and I don't mean if she switched roles with Ryley, but if her story was written similar to the other female survivors like Yu or the unnamed one, with both dying either gruesomely from curiosity, or pathetically owing to emotional damage which...again, forced them to do something OTHER THAN survive which is stupid...
So this actually inspired me to go replay some Subnautica below zero and as I discovered one of the "museums" you were talking about, he stated that as the bacterium spread, the continuation of life became uncertain, so these were built as places to reflect. So there actually was a purpose to them!
Oh that's a great find actually! :)
i think that was talking about that one specifical room with the architect bones
Heres my theory about the emperor not hatching her eggs sooner: The emperor didnt want to help the precursors. They trapped her and her babies in a cage. She wanted to make sure her babies had a better life and were not trapped in more cages like her. The last thing she wanted to do was help them. When riley came she could tell he had good intentions. He also activated the exit portal which explains why she didnt hatch her eggs sooner via peepers.
That would make sense - but I feel like that was quite the risk by the emperor since if she died before another intelligent creature made it to her (by incredible luck) the eggs would never hatch :)
@@TheLastBacon but its a risk a good mother like her would take for her babies
Maybe she didn’t use the peepers because the tank would get too crowded?
@@TheLastBacon True, but the emperor probably knew that, if the eggs hatched, the precursors would've probably killed at least some of the babies, in order to investigate, and maybe all of them.
@@TheLastBacon She also didn't give you the hatching enzyme recipe until you activated the portal which means she wanted to make sure you let her babies live a normal life or else everyone dies.
My personal headcanon for Maida surviving is her eating the leviathan and getting the cure that way. None of the leviathans seem to be affected by kharra and it could be that the reaper's flesh had enough of whatever kept them going that Maida unknowingly cured herself that way. I think it makes sense that the Precursors wouldn't have figured that out since they don't seem to need to eat judging by Alan, and other human survivors wouldn't think to eat the reapers when other far easier prey are available.
As for why sector 0 still has life, that could be anything really. I think the info from the PDA can't be taken for 100% fact given that the scanner couldn't have possibly had perfect information on everywhere on the planet. There could very well be something besides the Sea Emperor that kept life sustained elsewhere on the world. While it's clear that the cold doesn't stop Kharra, it could still slow its affect and spread, and there could easily be some unknown factor in the region that further keeps life alive even while the bacteria is fully active.
I feel that the PDA in the first game gives only partially accurate information based on the limited scope of its abilities. Thus it shouldn't be relied upon for solid fact. If the bacteria is as fast and lethal as it says, there's no way a bunch of trained peepers will be able to hold the crisis at bay. The ecosystem survived the time period it took to train the peepers to even deliver the cure to the outside world, so I think while the peepers helped, there was far more at work in keeping the world alive. Life is resilient that way.
Yeah that is actually a great point about the PDA - maybe we take it too literally where a lot of the information could be “guesstimates” :)
I got a theory on how sector zero is still alive, this would also explain how margartit is alive. The cold cant eliminate karhaa but maybe it does put it in a dormant state. Like when you put larvea in a frige. They dont die but they are inactive
Maybe! :) Though wouldn't that not work for Marg since she presumably kept herself warm in the base/clothes?
@@TheLastBacon It could be something else in the water, like the peepers in the first game, some bacteria resistant material could naturally make below zero habitable. This material might not have been present when the leviathan was frozen, which would have most likely happened thousands of years ago.
@@TheLastBacon oh didnt think about that one
IT could also be that, since in BZ the cure IS plants,Maybe they we're Part of the natural diet of all the creatures we see,maybe Theres more plants witch slow down Karaa for the ones that live deeper down.
That could also explain Marguerit
In infavorable conditions such as extreme cold some bacteria form spores. Those are basicaly inactive forms of the cells with thicker walls witch help the bacteria to love trough bad conditions. Once the conditions are right they start to proliferate again.
when i started playing the game i got it completely blind. I had never heard of the game and thought it was like minecraft so had no fear. when i started a survival world i had no clue what to do, Therefore i ventured straight to the back of the aurora. I did not know the horror i was about to awaken. The amount of lore i discovered and had so many therorys about, like were crabsquids sending the creepy messages that warpers send. i eventually watched a walkthrough and my mind was blown.
Thanks for being such a good content creator, keep it up bacon
Thank you kindly :) Yeah the first trip to the back of the Aurora is never pleasant!
I remember reading somewhere that the gun was in fact able to use the planet's gravity to curve around the planet and hit targets anywhere
I can't remember where I read this, but I'm pretty sure it was in the game's data logs somewhere
That would make a lot of sense :)
Yea it was in below zero I believe
It's the terminal entry for the control button itself. How exactly a 'laser' could curve, I have no idea, but Subnautica and physics have never had a relationship that makes any sense whatsoever, so I like to take that one at face value.
Since you can't find any "modern day" leviathans infected with kharaa I've always just assumed they have some kind of natural immunity to it, and with Marguerit having eaten most of an entire reaper maybe it somehow transferred some of that immunity?
Maybe yeah - don’t know why they precursors wouldn’t have used that, but it’s the only explanation I can think of :)
@@TheLastBacon temporary and robin and al-an talked about how architect bodies are made out of 27(not sure if it's 27) different species and if it could infect 1 of them it could find a way to infect all the others
@@TheLastBacon introducing the sea dragon leviathan and disease research facility where they tried to do that but ended up almost causing genocide to a planet
@@TheLastBacon I don't think the precursors needed to eat
The last bacon = perfect watching material for a chill Sunday!
Yay thank you kindly :)
I think it says in game somewhere that the QEP can bounce the laser off the atmosphere to hit a target anywhere on the planet. Marguerite survived by eating the peepers carrying the enzyme, the same way everything else survives kharaa. The remaining emperor eggs need a specific enzyme, which she couldn't make while in the tank, and they couldn't detect her trying to communicate with them. I think she wasn't really training the peepers, she was just grabbing them as they came into the safe area and let them go again.
How would Marguerit have access to the peepers in Sector 0 for 10 years though? Since they don't appear there and arctic peepers don't appear in the emperor's tank :)
But then where would she find the peepers in the void? Because reapers don't appear to be infected in the game I assume they're immune to kharaa and because she fed on one's flesh she didn't get infected/cured herself just like fishes feeding on peepers carrying the enzyme, that's just my theory tho and it's highly possible it wasn't really like that.
@@darkdragonpl9229 Peepers don't get infected because later on in the game it is revealed that they were genetically modified or enslaved to carry the incomplete enzyme around, and are how it is distributed after you complete the game.
@@DoggosGames peepers do get infected. You can find them in the game.
Diving into subnautica's lore is always enjoyable, even after almost a year without touching the game
Totally :)
I honestly love the implication that marg is just to angry to bother helping anyone. Including the sea emperor who could have cured her a lot earlier than expected and AL-AN who literally could have gotten her off the planet.
Also some explanation for sector zero still being alive is that it was close to extinction but was revived when the sea emperor’s spread out across the planet similar to how biomes with no peepers in the first game become more and more empty. And yes it is canon that sea emperor’s live outside the crater as evidenced by they’re giant size and the fact a juvenile used to be in the lily pad islands
Marg is just too angry to help or die :D
I always thought of Leviathans in general produce the enzyme, even reapers, but not in the quality and quantity to be used to cure others, so maybe Marguerit survived because she ate nearly a whole Reaper?
Would actually be quite impressive if she ate the whole reaper :D
This sort of the thing is always fun when you've played a game for a while then think about it. Works for stories and movies you read/watch a lot too.
Absolutely :)
For Marguerit not dying from Kharaa: I think it is completely believable she was one of the rare individuals who was able to resist it long enough to become immune to it. I don't think any entry on Kharaa ever implied the mortality rate was 100% despite it being very very high. Her developing resistance as a result of eating reapers could make sense as well. And if that's the case then how would the Architects not know? Well they don't exactly eat and they were so focused on the Sea Emperor that it makes sense that and other possible cures just weren't on their radar.
Reapers possibly being resistant also reminds me how whales and dolphins are way less likely to get cancer than people due to the fact that they have a high amount of tumor suppression genes. Kharaa is mentioned to have mutation properties and since Kharaa is not seen on Leviathans, it could be that they already developed the necessary supression genes for other gene-mutating mishaps and are therefore better equipped to fight off Kharaa.
It is true we never hear about kharaa being 100% fatal (as far as I remember) but we also never hear about anyone surviving it - like all the PDA entries are very factual with the bacterium progressing until it kills you with no other option :) But I like the idea that despite all odds, Marg would just be epic enough to be immune.
@@TheLastBacon Actually, Bart is the only person we can be pretty certain died of Kharaa. The other Aurora survivors either drowned, got eaten by wildlife, were killed by Warpers as carriers, or blew themselves up, first. The people from the Mercury II whom the captain was forced to maroon only had two weeks' supplies, so they probably froze, starved, and/or got killed by snow stalkers long before any of them could die of, or demonstrate Maida-style resistance to, Kharaa.
I did notice playing below zero, Maurgarite has a blue tablet on the floor of her base, but maybe she ate a golden peeper, or maybe the arctic peepers also carried it? Or maybe it’s just the first one had the Red Dwarf isolated feel and it was important to believe that all three Degasi survivors died because they couldn’t compromise and work together, while zero had a less isolated feel that included meeting another human and spoken dialogue that went better w it’s theme, not sure but great video thanks for making them 😀
Thank you kindly for watching :) Who knows, maybe we'll learn more in the 3rd game!
For the first one, laser can go around the planet, i see people already said that in comments. And Architects already have the phasegate on the arctic biome, so they can go under the radar of the laser.
Edit: About the Marguerit, there are some special peepers in the mushroom forest biome that make the enzyme. So maybe she ate one and got cured before the leviathan attacked her.
Hmm I wonder if the phasegate is low enough for it to not activate since it did shoot Mercury when they tried to leave :) And also, wouldn't having a functional phasegate sort of nullify the concept of the quarantine? You could be onto something though!
@@TheLastBacon The phase gates from below zero at least, are located in the arctic biome and somewhere in the space, not the atmosphere. So it is not detected by laser. Mercury mostly dodged the first blast when entering, but couldn't do it while exiting the planet. As said "infected individuals may not disable the weapon.", they didn't disable it. And it doesn't nullify the concept of quarantine because they would not return, and only an architect could activate the phasegate, so it would be useless to others. Also read the Edit about Marguerit.
The enzymes that the Peepers carry isn’t concentrated enough to be a permanent cure.
I think that for the enforcement platform to be disabled, an individual will have to be scanned multiple times. If they are scanned, and have the bacteria, but then come back free of it, it would make a little more sense than for it to deactivate.
That would certainly make more sense for Ryley - though I guess it would require an individual to have been infected (and scanned) in the first place :)
Please do more, of these types of videos i really love these unknown things explored and looked into!
Thank you kindly! I'll look into more :)
@@TheLastBacon Anytime ill be looking forward to it
About the QEP, besides the fact that the PDA confirms that it can curve, I wanna try and explain what else you brought up. For one, it being set to destroy everything might have been done with the idea in mind that the precursors were still there to keep searching for a cure. Alternatively, the PDA states that “It is currently operating without parameters, suggesting it will target any ship within range.” This implies that the precursors may have had set parameters to allow for any potential off world solution to come in, but for whatever reason, the parameters had gone away or weren’t able to be set before they died out. The deactivation mechanism can also be explained. If the precursors or any other alien species had found the cure for one of them, then likely they would have had the cure in general for the whole population, so only requiring one person is just a matter of efficiency. Furthermore, the disease spreads incredibly easily, so it is highly unlikely or potentially impossible that another species could have just stumbled upon the gun’s deactivation mechanism without getting infected first; therefore, one species being able to interact with it without being infected must signify that a cure has been found.
For the sea emperor eggs, training the peepers to carry and spread the incomplete cure is completely different than training them to recognize obtain plants that the sea emperor can’t show them. The precursors may have just simply not deduced that the way to hatch them naturally was through enzymes synthesized from certain plants. No matter how you slice it, the idea of hatching an egg by giving it enzymes made from a specific set of plants is a strange conclusion, so perhaps they just had not considered the possibility. Even if they did, it is also unlikely that they could have figured out the exact set of plants in the exact proportions to create the enzyme they need.
Good point about the parameters! Perhaps the gun had simply malfunctioned over the 100s of years it was on :)
I always thought that peepers were meant to transport some kind of medicine that blocks kharaa (the incomplete enzyme) for living beings who eat them and that they were automatically transferred through the planet.
It would solve the mystery for margarett (eating the levizthans corpse which means she had some way to block it)
And how all species were able to survive
The thing is - the incomplete enzyme carried by peepers only temporarily helped - it wouldn't stop it permanently :) Plus I mentioned the peeper issue towards the end.
@@TheLastBacon Could be that large predators in the first game share a common ancestor, with the sea emperor being the closest relation, and that they all have some bacteria resistant enzymes in their system, but can't spread it like the sea emperor does. This might be as to why as you progress through the first game, animals and small-medium predators develop symptoms of kahraa, but not the leviathans. So when she floats on the reaper, and presumably consumes it, she introduces these enzymes into her own system.
@@brainstorm7828 But the frozen leviathan in BZ is clearly infected. And don't tell me that thing wasn't a predator.
@@wizardpajamas6405 The frozen leviathan is a land creature, while all the leviathans in the first game are sea creatures. Not to mention that sector zero and the crater are far apart from another, it's unlikely that the sea emperor and other sea leviathans share a common ancestor with the frozen leviathan, and if they did, it would have to be hundreds of millions, if not billions of years ago where the division between walking and swimming happened. So it's still entirely within the realm of possibility that the leviathans in the first game share a common ancestor with the sea emperor and that doesn't have to be the same ancestor as that of the frozen leviathan.
@@wizardpajamas6405 Also, the frozen leviathan reminds me of a giant bull, which is not a predator. Also herbivores end up being the largest organisms...
About the Kharaa maybe it just slows down in the cold ? The last of Kharaa could still be alive and just feeding off the leviathan ? Or Marg was lucky enough to never have caught it as it does take the player a few hours to catch it.
As for the museum I think Alan’s homeworld might have been too dangerous and infected to live on, it could have been a relocation situation or how Alan mentions in the garden where we scan the bones “when infection numbers grew high we would come here to reflect” maybe architects where so few in number they tried to make it feel more like home/comforting as they had found a possible cure I don’t think they planned on leaving until they got it. Or perhaps they were just to value to leave behind or recently found like the translator could’ve been used on the emperor but failed ?
Maybe Marg was just super lucky :) Though she did spend what were presumably weeks on the planet with the rest of the crew at the start.
nope, Marg 100% was infected. in one of the Degasi logs, Bart asks her and Paul if they've felt sick, describing the symptoms of the Kharaa, and it's Marg herself who says she's experiencing the symptoms of it
Marguerite was just to angry to die, her malice burned the virus away.
Its also how the ghosts left her alone. They were afraid of her...
Haha makes sense :D
No cuz she is a woman and Twitter will have a tantrum
i personally think, for the last one, precursors do it because it makes them feel more proud of their work. a sort off confidence boost y'know? looking at what you discovered, and displaying it for pride.
also, because of the music, i recently played ddlc and god.. what a game.
You’re probably right! :)
my theory about the existence of life in sector 0 involves the only surface animal that both games have in common, which are the skyrays.We know that they ate fish in the crater region, and that they possibly made constant migrations between the crater and sector 0. In short, I believe that skyray fecal residue (which probably contained the pepper enzyme) was responsible for preserving life in that place.
That is a good point - maybe it was the skyrays that saved the planet all along :)
That's a fascinating concept!
If it was the skyrays than I feel bad for killing them haha
@@alexpena4091 you can kill them?
Skyrays don’t eat fish. The PDA makes special note that they have never been observed diving into the water, suggesting they are a completely herbivorous species.
The egg one can be answered easily by saying the precursors were probably going to focus on the Sea Emperor eggs next but the sea dragon kinda fucked everything up. Also since Marguerite served in the Federation military (which came across Kharaa in NS2 because the aliens they fight had it or at least a strain of it), it’s possible that she got that strain but managed to survive and as a result, she managed to develop a resistance to it and the Kharaa we see in Subnautica was similar
Enough that Marguerite did experience symptoms but managed to recover.
True but NS2 takes place after Subnautica right? :) Though maybe they did already come across kharaa in the past.
@@TheLastBacon Yeah probably since it it’s already killed 100s of billions of life forms.
Perhaps since the reaper is immune,when Marguerite consumed the flesh,she became immune as well?
Maybe - but why wouldn’t the precursors have just done that? :) Also reapers aren’t immune - just surviving because of the enzyme peepers.
Ah, it just seemed that since they were never affected by it and other creatures were, I assumed they were immune.
@@TheLastBacon The precursors likely looking in the wrong direction.
There are actually multiple ways to explain how sector zero survived kharaa,
1. Below zero takes place two after the base game, thus the cure has had two years to circulate the planet, so everything is most likely cured.
2. In the early development story for below zero, you could meet one of the sea emperors hatched from the first game, meaning that could've spread the cure in sector zero.
3. Like many other people are saying, the cold just slowed down the kharaa to an incredibly slow speed
Yeah but these are relatively easy to debunk :)
1. Right - but that would mean life had to survive there ever since kharaa was released 1000 years ago since we see unique species in Sector 0
2. True - but these have since been cut so they aren’t cannon
3. This still wouldn’t work on organisms that need to stay warm to survive - plus, if it was that simple - why wouldn’t the precursors have used it?
One possibility for why sector zero isn't absolutely borked is that while the cold doesn't get rid of Karaa it does weaken it and make it less agressive, allowing the species there to survive without too much worry for it
Maybe - but you'd think that would just make the precursors adapt to the cold :)
@@TheLastBacon Well they likely wanted it gone
In my opinion is that maybe kharaa never reached sector 0 and that the frozen leviathan isnt from sector 0, but from another part of the planet or from one of the first game area
Caught this video as it came out. I feel so special.
Same
So fast! :)
My friend got me into subnautica and your channel and can I just say I love your videos. PS. Tips on going to the lost river?
Thank you! :) My best advice would be to prepare well and then follow the blood kelp zone!
Personally I like the bulb zone entrance I do it all the time and I make it back all the time
My Advice is to get spare underwear
Props to you for answering every comment, even if the video's 3 months old
Thank you :) I like doing it!
Re: QEP
It's quite likely that there are orbital relays for the laser. As for disabling it, the precursors were probably a high-trust society and delivering a cure could just be done via orbital drops.
Re: the eggs
I assume they can't hatch without the emperor wanting them to (and unless the portal is turned on hatching them is pointless)
Re: museums
I assume the planet was a research outpost before Kharaa and it's reasonable they'd have some exhibits of their work
I like the idea that the emperor has to "want" the eggs to hatch :) Then again, it should have probably wanted them to hatch with the precursors already. I was also thinking maybe the gun could be disabled remotely?
@@TheLastBacon I always thought the emperor disliked the precursors and didn't mind them dying
I haven't seen anyone else point it out, so I'm gonna say it:
I love the fact that you chose to play DDLC music at the end
Haha thank you! Love that soundtrack :)
I'll pretend to have watched the whole video 1 minute after release and say it's good
Edit: it is
Haha I'll take it :D
I think that the reason why sector zero creatures are alive is the same reason why there are creatures alive in the crater. It's pretty likely that the crater creatures were helped greatly by the enzyme peepers, but the sector zero creatures may have been either on the brink of extinction until one of the emperor babies (which was cut from the game) swam over there, or they had plot armor and unknown made them immune to karaa
Definitely some plot armor :) Don't know how else they could've survived 1000 years without the enzyme and with kharaa.
I love these videos so lovely to hear ideas for the unknown things in the games!!!
Thank you! :)
Babe wake up, My favorite Subnautica UA-camr upload
Yay :D
The biggest plothole is how Marguerit, while fighting a Reaper, somehow rode it out of the cave she was in, and rode it for weeks while it floated from the Crater to Sector Zero. Friendly reminder that people have floated in the Pacific Ocean for MONTHS without seeing *any* land, and in 3 weeks she just floated right to Sector Zero.
Yeah I guess they attempt to explain it but it’s quite the stretch :)
The original story wasn't great, but, I do miss it. This "Evil Alterra" plot line just feels too ham fisted yknow? Like, I know they're a scummy corporation who's also incompetent, but I'll never buy the whole "Authoritarian trying to weaponize Kharra" bit
Here are my best guesses for the plot holes:
- There is a PDA entry that describes the gun can use the planets gravitational field to bend the laser to anywhere on the planet.
- The doomsday device located in the QEP was said to have malfunctioned, likely meaning the Precursors attempted to use it but luckily failed.
- My best guess for Marguerite's survival is that since the Reaper leviathans eat so many fish, there were likely high amounts of Enzyme 42 located within its flesh, or she just did not contract the disease.
- The precursors, while being very advanced may have very well just overlooked the recipe for the hatching enzymes.
- The Sector 0 one stumped me but my best guess is that the creatures there either found another way to cure it or there is a natural immunity in the majority of the creatures there.
- Just because it was meant for a place of work does not mean it cannot be decorated. I don't think this really qualifies as a plot hole.
Those are very good guesses :) Hopefully one day we'll get answers for these!
Man I love me some subnautica videos ❤❤
Me too :D
Perhaps Kharaa already killed almost all life in Sector 0 once and that the life we see flourishing now survived either due to a possible genetic mutation that made it resistant or even immune to Kharaa or out of pure luck. Essentially it killed all life that it could in the area and without any more hosts to infect, it nearly died out itself with the only remnant being found frozen in the ice unable to infect anything.
I guess - but then we shouldn’t see any new creatures in BZ that weren’t in the first game right? :)
I figured Marguerit survived due to her eating leviathan flesh. Aren't they immune or able to fight off Kharra?
They're only "immune" because of a steady supply of peepers with the incomplete enzyme :)
@@TheLastBacon There is a concept in biology, called bioaccumulation, where contaminates will concentrate more the higher into the food chain they go.
As Reapers are near the top they would likely have a lot of the diluted enzyme gathered into their bodies from their prey.
Since Marguerite ate presumably all of the reapers flesh and was exposed to this accumulated enzyme. Either curing her or delaying the Kharra enough for the baby Sea Emperors to reintroduce the concentrated Enzyme 42 to the ecosystem.
The cuddlefish at the start was- demonic
Haha slightly :)
about Marguerit not being infected: reapers dont get sick in the game, so they might be immune. she ate the reaper and if the reaper really is immune, she became immune as well. which really just makes more questions like why didnt the precursors use reapers to make a cure
Yeah exactly :) I feel like precursors should be able to figure that out!
@@TheLastBaconmaybe the sea emperor had the most enzyme or the most efficient enzyme, but other leviathans also have something similar. It made Marguerite immune, but it wouldn't have helped cure the entire planet.
I think the reasons museums exist is for a monumentary purpose for beings in the future that might make their way to the planet.
Considering their civilization was also about to get wiped by the bacteria, it wouldn't be surprising for them to leave some relics in different places they've been.
It's kinda like a time capsule.
You know that's not a bad theory! :) Though I feel like given the quarantine, it would be a strange combination!
Maybe some of the items displayed - eggs, bones, specimens - were intended to provide clues to what they'd been working on, so future visitors might complete their work. Other items - sword, yin-yang - may have been left as a potential "Hello" to other sentient species the Architects knew about, that might potentially *become* those visitors, given time to advance their primitive technology a bit further. As for the quarantine, the displays may have been set up in the anticipation that the search for a cure would simply fail to come up with anything, and that the Architects' 4546B operations would quietly be shut down, sterilized of all Kharaa samples, and abandoned, not demolished by a raging mama sea dragon.
My guess? Given how hot the Active Lava Zone is, keeping the Sea Emperor's tank at a comfortable temperature for her and her sustaining ecosystem would have been tricky even for the Architects. Easy solution? Have a seventh vent for water exchange, that's linked to polar seas via a miniature always-open transport arch. Some of the enzyme-carrying peepers in the tank's outflow pipes accidentally pass through the wrong tube and get dumped into Sector Zero by way of this vent. They quickly freeze to death, but their carcasses regularly carry a biome-preserving dose of Enzyme 42 into the polar food chain. The only reason we don't see Arctic peepers in the inflow pipes is that they're wary of the warm water streaming out of the other half of the seventh vent, so avoid it instinctively, same as they avoid the tops of thermal spires and tree spires.
I do like that idea! :)
The laser from the gun curving around the planet to hit a target would be a crazy view from space, imagine a green bean suddenly curve like a ring and then hit some Poot bastards. What a sight, and a pity as well for whoever got hit
Would be so sick to see :)
Yeah. That *would* be pretty cool.
...until it hits you haha.
The Precursors didn't know that the Peepers were bringing the plants needed for the Hatching Enzymes and simply thought they were bringing back snacks. However, they had teleporters to all the plant locations. Maybe, they built the teleporters after they realized the Peepers didn't just want some meal variety. By then, it was too late to make the enzymes.
And yes, Bart Torgal did get visions of the Sea Emperor, but there is no evidence any of the Degasi crew actually went to the Primary Containment Facility.
Yeah but surely it would be faster to go to the biomes and collect the plants than build teleporters :)
Maybe Marguerit is still alive, because she spend a lot of time on Leviatan body, consuming it, and eventually she developed some form of immunity? Maybe all Leviatan forms are immune to Kharra, like Ghost Leviatans in abyss?
I think that’s the only explanation that would make sense to me :)
My theories:
1. QEP: There is more than one on the planet but not at every biome. They probably have an enormous range, so maybe about 4-5 is needed to cover the planet entirely. This explains why Sector Zero has none. There is simply no need to build one in so many areas.
2. Marguerit might have been eating enzyme host peepers and other animals that ate the enzyme host peepers (so now they also have the unstable enzyme in their tissues). This kept delaying her death.
3. Although to us it seems easy, and the plants are easy to find, the Architects had absolutely no idea where to begin. For one, they had to find out what materials/plants they needed and how many needed to be combined. First, they also had to find out that an enzyme is even required and the eggs cannot hatch on their own. Also the interactable plants are quite literally the fraction of the flora present on the planet, so they had to try all of them. That is millions of species.
Imagine you are presented with millions of symbols and you had to guess the code of a door. But you are not told which ones are needed and how many. It would take you hundreds, even thousands, millions of years to guess the code.
4. Why isnt sector zero dead? Because of the enzyme host peepers. They didnt just affect the fauna and flora of the crater but the entire planet. The same way how one ecosystem is intertwined with the ecosystem of another biome on our own planet. Those peepers are eaten by fauna, including aerial ones that cover great distances, and those that do great migrations across the planet. After eating the peepers, now their tissues also carry the unstable enzyme, so they keep spreading it. Hence why the trained peepers saved the whole planet, not just the crater.
5. I would assume the Architects brought them to 4546B as inspiration. They are a species focused on thoughts, thinking, and progress. Taking inspirations from the memories those items mean to their collective might be important to form entirely new ideas or to to remind them of what they are fighting for.
Like the gardens and statues as they have nothing to do with science either. Al-An clearly states that the gardens and statues are a means of recollection. So part of mental health and relaxation. They take their mental health just as seriously as their physical health. Unlike us, humans.
Very good theories! :) I'll play the devil's advocate:
1. That's fair I suppose, but sector 0 is already quite far from the first game based on what we see at the end of it, AND it's a massive precursor outpost - if not there, then where?
2. Maybe - but we know they don't make it over to BZ (since there are no peepers from the crater there) so that wouldn't work
3. True, but then again - they're able to do things like store a whole consciousness - running millions or billions of combinations through a computer should only take them a second once they'd gathered the samples
4. Yeah same as #2
5. Maybe yeah - good point about the gardens!
@@TheLastBacon
1. It might be a massive outpost and a big biome but we dont realistically see all of the biome. So maybe there is a QEP in the arctic, just not in the playable area. They dont necessarily need to be close to an outpost, I think. Heck, there might be one underwater that rises onto the surface when activated.
2. The enzyme hosting peepers might not make it to the arctic but fauna that ate those peepers could very well do so. Be it aerial or swimming.
3. Thing is, it isnt enough to run the combinations through a computer. They had to gather the materials, make those enzyme samples and then test them on the eggs if they work. That extended the duration of attempts majorly, I would imagine.
4. Intertwining ecosystems, as I have explained. A simple example are migratory birds on our planet. A stork living in middle Europe eats a fish with microplastics in its tissues. They migrate to Africa (entirely different continent and biome), where -say- a hyena eats it. Now its tissues will contain microplastics as well. Just an example of ecosystems of different biomes interacting. Not to mention there would be species living in the outskirts of two biomes, so they are preying on/preyed on by fauna in multiple biomes.
Ayy wassup, just got back to this game after years. Love your content ❤
Ayyy thank you!! :)
About QEP: What if precursors had some "backdoor" that could remotely disable the platform if the cure is delivered from offworld?
About Marguerit: It's like a completely random guess, but what if Marguerit did not die because she ate something with an antidote in it (like peepers, or frost vase and fevered pepper, from which the Kharaa Antidote in BZ was made)?
About fish from original game in sector Zero: Bladderfish, Boomerang, Hoopfish and infamous crashfish are existing both in Crater and sector Zero.
By the way, have you heard about the game called "Hydrophobia"?
Good point about the other fish - but we never see those carry the incomplete enzyme :) And I definitely think it’s possible that some remote mechanism can disable the quarantine - just seems like that should maybe be the only way to do it haha!
New weekend,new way to destroy Matpad s Subnotica lore
Basically :D
0:44 thanks I actually need this for my english exam on tuesday!
How about that :D
I know that Im late to this, but there's a malfunctioned doomsday device in the QEP, answering the 2nd one. They had a failsafe to destroy the planet, but it malfunctioned and didn't go off.
Yep thank goodness it didn't :)
@@TheLastBacon Im resisting the urge to go all butterfly effect now, especially since the device was supposed to destroy everything when the virus first broke containment XD... Cus the Aurora wouldve never crashed, nor would the Degasi, Mercury II, or the Sunbeam... In fact, Humans wouldve never laid their eyes upon system 4546, as the doomsday device wouldve wiped out the star as well, considering 4546B's relative close proximity.
The only sentient beings that would've known of 4546's existence are the Precursor's (given they aren't all dead from Kaarah apart from Al-An), and given what we know from Al-An, they certainly don't seem to care about individual beauty of life.
I guess this is similar to the saying: "If a tree falls down in a forest but nobody witnesses it, did the tree ever fall?"
Oh sorry XD, ive gone rambling again XD
Here are some theories I thought of while watching the video:
The QEP's beam probably curves around the planet.
Leviathans are immune to Kharaa so (maybe) they also contain some sort of enzyme that might have cured Marguerit because she ate the reaper leviathan(?)
The Sea Emperor said that the precursors could not hear her, so maybe they were just too technologically advanced that the Sea Emperor could not speak telepathically with them so she could not tell them about the hatching enzymes?
About how the fauna got to Sector Zero, there was probably an ice age in 4546b where there could be an ice landmass connecting the Crater and Sector Zero which eventually thawed out, and that could be why we see versions of Crater fauna in there. I don't know about how they survived Kharaa though, could just be that they were infected but managed to survive until Enzyme 42 got released in Subnautica.
I don't know why precursor museums would exist. Could be one of Al-An's stupid ideas.
Would actually be really interesting if the planet went through an ice age! Love the idea :)
My headcannon for Marguerit's immunity was, that the reaper simply ate a peeper carrying the enzyme, and Marguerit then ate the flesh from the reaper. It's not the best explanation, but I like to think that the reaper saved Marguerit in more ways than one
Maybe yeah :)
this was the best intro ive seen today
Yay thank you :)
An alternate title to this video: "5 things that Game Theory should have covered but didn't in favor of a nonexistent story"
Oof :D
#4 is tough, but I think the Arctic Peepers could've once been real Peepers coming through Alien Vents during the timeline of the original game, but when the cure was discovered, the final peepers brought this back, permanently curing Sector Zero before you arrive. The vents were then buried, somehow, maybe tectonic activity, and the standard Peepers that couldn't return through the blocked-off vents evolved into the Arctic Peepers you see in Sector Zero today. They couldn't cure the Frozen Leviathan because it was sealed in a massive block of ice that the Peepers couldn't reach. It's a bit far-fetched but I refuse to accept a plot hole.
I suppose that’s possible :)
But how do the Peepers evolve into Arctic Peepers in just two years between the events of either game?
I love how you said the gun could Mabye curve around the planet, it just sounds funny
But apparently that’s the answer :)
When you scan the ion core of the QEP it says the weapon can use the planets gravity to curve around the planet, possibly that’s the reason the mercury avoided it? It just missed after they dumped the nuclear waste. Also with marguerite surviving the karrara maybe the reapers absorbed a lot of incomplete enzymes through eating the peepers?
That makes perfect sense :)
@@TheLastBacon :D
Kahara needs a host to live in, and in it's natural water-borne form, it flourishes in hot enviorments such as the lava zone where you can find the Lava Lizard and the Lava Crab as well as the dragon (whatever it's called). Many bacteriums in real life follow the same princible as long as they have high heat resistance, which is clearly seen in how Kahara behaves in the lava zone. One such real example of a bacteria that flourishes in hot water is Legionella. But, this bacteria goes dormant when water is stored at cold enougth temperatures. We can assume the same for Kahara. So, when Marguerit arrives at Sector Zero, it is very cold and the bacteria is in a dormant state, therefore she does not get Kahara. But, when the Frozen Leviathin was alive and walking the planet, we can assume that Sector Zero may have had a different climate, so Kahara was not dormate in the region and it got infected. Also, animals that are hostile in Sector Zero most likely got infected before the climate change. This solves the problem with Marguerit, and why there is still life in Sector 0, and also why the Frozen Leviathin was possibly infected.
But wouldn’t Marg need to stay cold? She presumably kept herself warm in the base/clothes :) Plus again - why wouldn’t the precursors have figured that out?
I love watching plot hole videos. Even ones where I spot some of the plot holes before the video is made.
Must have good knowledge of the game! :)
My biggest question is how is the last bacon alive was it a mad science experiment that went wrong and created a piece of bacon that loves subnautica?
Haha definitely a mad science experiment :)
I think that only individual that survived khraa could disarm the weapon
Well the gun specifically says that infected individuals can’t :) But maybe it checks for some antibodies or something yeah.
The second one
Basically the sea empress didn’t want to have her kids trapped so she told them not to hatch (like real-life crocs)
Also the music 07:32 D:
Maybe :) But she had no guarantee any other intelligent creature would ever find her again…so I feel like it wasn’t a smart choice.
@@TheLastBacon The see empress has A really long life span and the eggs aren’t ageing
A lot of these plot holes were pretty obvious to me during either my first or second playthrough. Don't know why it took so long for other people so long to notice.
Don't think it did tbh - been seeing posts about these for a long time :)
@@TheLastBaconIn that case I wasn't in the community for the longest time, the biggest Subnautica forum for me being r/Subnautica and that was only from 2018-19. All I did was read a few posts and never comment so I wasn't around long enough to see the complaints.
But my three main complaints with the series so far is pretty simple:
1. The chances for both the Degassi and Aurora to crash pretty damn close to where all the important stuff the precursors left behind is pretty improbable considering that it's a planet
2. That Marguerite is sill alive of all things (I did not know this up until a few months ago due to me refusing to buying BZ for reasons not mentioned here). The only reason I can think of as an example is that the enzyme from the emperor's habitat was being pumped to multiple locations across the planet to preserve as much of the biosphere as possible.
3. Alan's incompetence as a researcher (the 900 y/o precursor I read about in one of the og game's lore scans isn't him right, because if he is than the precursors need to reevaluate their methodology for determining who's exceptional).
This is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very cool!!!!I want mire videos like this!
Thank you :)
Personally, I like to chalk Maida's survival up to several factors. Maybe the cold of Sector Zero slows down the infection, combined with a natural resistance to it (we know Khaara moves at different speeds in individuals). My personal favorite theory is that most leviathans produce a substance similar to Enzyme 42, and that when Marguerit ate the Reaper, she also consumed an enzyme that cured her. It was a much weaker version of it (hence why the Precursors didn't bother using Reapers instead of Sea Emperors) but she consumed so much that it worked.
Also, she's a stone-cold badass. Probably the most likely reason imo
Yeah I think even though there is no set canon explanation - when I spoke to one of the devs they pretty much confirmed it was the "eating the leviathan" option :)
Emperor eggs weren't hatched because the Sea Emperor had failed to communicate with the Precursors, and from conversations with Alan, they seem like an amoral species, or at least HIGHLY reduced morals. If she found some way to hatch the eggs on her own, the newborns would likely have just become more experiments.
As for Sector 0, I have 3 thoughts: 1, cold could possibly slow, but not kill the infection. 2, bio accumulation. stalker eats enzyme peepers reaper eats stalkers, ghost leviathan eats reapers, ghost leviathan goes to void, food chain does food chain, something gets commonality with sector 0 creatures. There are also several original creatures that return, a simpler answer is that cured creatures swam there and got eaten by local creatures. 3, it did get hit. I counted, and there's 50 unique creatures in the crater, but only around 30 in Sector 0. Maybe some died?
Yeah my issue with the cured creatures is that we only see peepers carrying the enzyme - no other animal from the first game :) And of course, eating one would only grant one temporary immunity - for Marg.
The cuddlefish’s smile scared me lol 😂
Haha understandable :)
The lazer is able to curve around the planet, it was confirmed by the PDA
True! :)
for the fourth one, i would argue that the life cycle of the surviving creatures adapted to be fast enough to not see kaara as a major issue, a mouse can lives up to 9 years in captivity but usually doesn't get past 2 years in wilderness, so they reproduce fast
Yeah that could work - but kharaa kills within weeks, I’m not sure any organism could adapt that fast :)
@@TheLastBacon it kills in weeks for humans ! Even stalker seems to survive longer, diseases that infect multiple species doesn't often go at the same rate in every one of them
Better idea than the QEP:Wrap the whole planet in a giant yellow tape saying ''DO NOT ENTER'' i mean, if the Aurora saw that, there was NO WAY they would go, prove me wrong.
Sounds like a great idea :)
1:00 the laser does curve around the planet. Was reading through one of the PDA logs and it said it uses the gravitational pull of the planet or something
True! :)
Marge is such a badass, even an alien disease couldn't take her down.
Haha exactly :)
I feel that the Precursors leaving behind the relics in their crater bases might be an additional fail safe mechanism or some form of warning about the dangers of becoming as advanced as they seemingly were before the population of their kind was decimated to near extinction level numbers should another intelligent life form (by some amount of sheer luck and amazing survival skills) find themselves stranded on the planet and (at least potentially) discover the bases left behind while attempting to escape and save the planet.
Interesting idea :) I like your thinking!
Yo i will say i watched the whole video after 2 minutes it came out and say it's great.
Thank you :)
2:34 because the precursors didn't have the heart to destroy such a beautiful world! Even for their own good...
The actual reason is because the device malfunctioned, I was sure you could have put that together
Right but the idea is that they have the technology :) Not that specific device.
@@TheLastBacon oh ok
I like the thumbnail of this video, nice and simple
Thank you :)
> "Let's do a bit of a fun silly one at the end"
> Doki Doki Literature Club music plays
> fear
Haha super silly :D
there are infact pieces of lore in the game that you can read that state that the enforcement platform's beam bends around the planets orbit in order to target ships
I believe you're right! :)
Plot hole: How did Sam find the antidote cure?? An entire race of hyperintelligent species couldn't find out, how could she!?
Yeah no clue tbh :) Just some crazy luck?
Bacon, the lore lord
Yesss :)
That "ba bum" at the start though XD
:D
Love your content man, keep it up! ❤
Thank you kindly :)
I remember thinking I could unlock the display cases and get the tools when I played through the first time
I wish :)
i have my own answers.
1platform.: the missiles could indeed be missile seeking and could detect it using the other bases in sector0
2Marguerit: she could have gotten the cure then wanted to move somewhere safe where the infection wasn't. then after she hid she still had some bacteria in her system and she was hiding next to the ice lev which gave some of her remaining virus to it.
3empeggs.: i think she cant even speak. and her only form of language was telepathic communication. thus they couldn't hear her.
4sector0 virus.: i believe the peepers got there then evolved after they landed in sector0.
5museum.: the devs just wanted weapons finally.
i hope i saved the lore!
Solid answers tbh :) How would Marguerit have gotten the cure tho?
@@TheLastBacon She could have been a survivor In The first game that the player didn't come across. after the cure got out she could have got to sector 0 after being cured.
I'd argue that it is not outside the realm of possibility that The Emperor *did* try to get the precursors to hatch the eggs, they simply didn't catch on. As she put it, they were trying to *take* what she would freely give us. Based on what learn of them over the course of Subnautica and Sub Zero, I don't find it hard to believe that they A) were to tunnel visioned in to see any attempts at communication from her, and B) may have just been inherently incapable of perceiving any attempts. It also seems likely that if the Emperor made a quick judgement on their character, that she may have simply given up or even chosen to downplay the importance of the eggs, maybe obscuring what they were in some way, to avoid the eggs being experimented on.
Perhaps you’re right :) Judging by Al-An they weren’t exactly the smartest bunch!
My theory about marguerite is that it definetly had something to do with the reaper, as we don’t see any infected ones (although that doesn’t really explain why the precursors couldn’t do the same) Or maybe there was something in the void that cured her, as I don’t believe the precursors could have possibly explored all of 4546b, so they could have missed a creature/phenomenon that would kill the kharaa
Yeah I believe it must’ve been the reaper too :)
0:02 that cuddlefish is cute:D
Super cute :D
Accidentally first.
I was clicking something as the notification popped up 😂
Dang very fast indeed :D
I think maybe the way sector 0 survived was because of the fact that the cure had gotten out by that point, and if life in the crater could survive with the bacterium for that long then so can sector 0, and maybe the sky rays transported the cure like someone else said. And my far fetched theory as to why the precursors couldn’t find the plants necessary to hatch the emperor eggs was because the plants necessary to hatch the eggs had died out due to less pollination (dunno if that’s how it works underwater) from sea creatures due to the kharaa, and so the emperor had to learn of new plants that could hatch the eggs and by then the precursors were gone.
Well the only reason the crater survived was because of the emperor :) There were no emperors in sector 0 since we know the crater one was the last of its kind.
Maybe the frozen leviathan is pretty old, and the ice preserved its body (not sure how it is still alive though)
Anyways, love the vids. Keep it up
Thank you kindly :) And yeah it is around 1000 years old.
I mean we're on an alien planet filled to the brim with oceans, surrounded by pleasant creatures and creatures that want to murder you, corporate overlords that charge trillions of money by force, and our protagonist seems to be able to cheat death multiple times. And do I need to mention Marguerite and the Cuddlefish?
Excellent video by the way
Haha yeah fair we might just be scratching the surface here :)
I think the precursor meuseums could be them putting there legacy/treasures on display for other species to see because (i might be remembering this wrong) but in the first game they we’re supposedly the last ones left so possibly before they died they wanted to put there technology on display
Maybe - but then again they did put up the quarantine so they really didn’t want other species landing there :)