The Minnewanka Curve Experiment [2K/1440p]
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- A companion video for "In Search of a Flat Earth" containing the details of the Minnewanka curve experiment in greater detail. Appropriate for a classroom environment.
Dizzib's curve calculator:
dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-...
Written and performed by Dan Olson
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Trampled by P C III
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00:00 Preamble
00:23 Part 1 - The Math
04:34 Part 2 - The Footage - Розваги
I'm going to debunk this but first...hold on, I'm taking a hit.
Don't worry, I already did it. Just scroll up to see my rock solid work. 😉
I wonder how many people will read this and not get it because they didn't watch the first video. I almost don't want to post this, in the hope that it weeds out all the flat-earthers who didn't watch the other video and came here just to shit on this one.
I think he was actually still “right” he just didn’t know the difference between miles and kilometers... I still laughed, though!
Lol
@@mikedrop4421 if the earth is supposedly flat, how do you explain a lunar eclipse, and how do you perfectly predict one 100 years from now? Since orbits are used to calculate that, Curious to hear your take on this :-)
The Minnewanka Curve Experiment sounds like the name of a local post-hardcore band
Named, of course, after the obscure garage band from the 60s and their eponymous single that was a tongue in cheek attempt to start a new dance craze, "The Minnewanka Curve"...
Pretty sure that's actually the name of a Lifter/Puller song...
Sounds like a creepy pasta
@@fmango I came here to say "an SCP" but you're probably closer, a more general creepypasta.
wrong
a local post-*rock* band
Last time I was this early the Catholic Church was officially against Heliocentricism
Actually Nicholas Copernicus was a “priest” and really close to the Catholic Church maybe you should do research👍.
@@ThatsToughTV Yeah sure, Copernicus had a great relationship, but have you ever heard of Galileo? They straight up put a dude on trial and were willing to excommunicate people for speaking the truth. Having one counterexample doesn’t count as doing more “research” than everyone else, and it doesn’t make you interesting.
It's just refraction, not curvature...
So, in a parallel universe, right? The Catholic Church was NEVER against Heliocentrism.
@@ethanritterbusch8910 this Galileo bullshit is a lie, he wasn't tried for "heliocentrism", he was tried for Occultism. He was even a follower of John Dee, another occultist. If the church had tried Galileo for "heliocentrism" they would have charged him for it, but they NEVER charged him for anything, because he was Tried for OCCULTISM but they didn't find concrete evidence.
Stop with your bullshit LMAO you are just saying what every stupid "science" channel says.
Summary: The footage I took for an experiment with a painfully obvious conclusion is more beautiful than the images on google earth.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime fucking chad
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime dude, the guy who made the video is NOT ZOOMING in or out during the experiment. He is merely raising and lowering the height of the camera. Over and over again. Do you not understand this??
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime What video are YOU watching?? Tell me the time of the video he says he is zooming in and out, because between 2:25 an 2:50, he is clearly explaining that the field of view (the height and width of what you see on the screen) for the vast majority of the video is a fixed distance--he is not zooming in and out from 4:00 to the end of the video...
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime Your insults don't help your argument. What is your argument anyway? The creator of this video is zoomed in on a small part of the opposing shore on a lake 7 km away. He was so crystal clear about this that it wasn't even worth arguing about how he zoomed in starting at 4 minutes of the video. I think we can hopefully both agree on that. While he raises and lowers his camera, he is not changing the zoom (hopefully we are both agreeing on that as well), but magically when he drops the camera down to 10 cm, the boat and a portion of the shore above the water horizon disappears. And your FE argument for this is what? There 5 foot waves in the middle of the lake with ripples at the shoreline? Educate me please...
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime I actually don't really know what you are talking about. Please explain your point.
This is scary. It makes the earth feel gargantuan and worryingly finite at the same time.
Beautiful comment.
“Worryingly finite” is probably the most apt description of our planet in these times I’ve ever heard.
Well--- technically Since it is a sphere it is infinite. The same way you can have a theta on a circle at 360 Degrees or 1029342189 degrees, you can travel on earth in a line for 24,000 miles or 1 million miles.
edit: just did the math for kicks, a theta of 1029342189° is 343114063π/60 radians
@@Abou47Pandas nah dude, we're all experimentalists here -- just say ur system is bounded to any measurable extent & call it a day lmfao.
Alternatively, I suppose one could mess around with some 0 to 2 pi periodic boundary condition stuff, but...ehh lol.
@@Abou47Pandas you can trace a line with infinite distance in a sphere, but it still has finite area. that line wouldn't be infinite without intersection.
but did you pray and do it again?
Maybe God just likes curves.
@@uncivil_engineer8013 That would explain why everyone likes boobs and butts. We're made in God's image, after all. And he loves him some curves.
It really struck me when Dan said that particular phrase in the other video. It reminded me of the Thurston County ritual abuse case, where Paul Ingram initially denied a specific accusation, but when told to "pray on the idea", he came back with a detailed written confession. When he was told that the accusation had been purposefully false to test his suggestibility, he maintained that it was true.
That's Satanic Panic stuff, from the late 80s. Definitely relevant to QAnon, which is maybe why it came to mind.
@@uncivil_engineer8013 I'm a member of the THICC earth society. We are currently accepting members
@@JackgarPrime Your theology is indisputable. Seriously, I will tell my theologian buddies about your comment.
I am so glad you posted this. I was gonna ping you on twitter and ask you for something like this. I will use this in my classroom next time I teach introductory astronomy. It's bar-none the clearest single demo of the curvature of the earth that I've seen in my years teaching astro, and a big part of that is also the beauty of the photography, which keeps it very engaging. The main video was fantastic on its own terms, but the format just wasn't ideal for classroom use. So anyway, thanks from a random astro professor!
Cheers!
And I will use it for my Geometry class! So thanks from a math teacher and fellow Canadian.
I’m using it in my physics classes!
Thank you for being an astronomer :D astronomy got me interested in basically all my other hobbies and interests.
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"The Minnewanka Curve Experiment" sounds like it ought to be some interdimensional test that went horribly awry.
and should never be spoken of again
That sounds like a rad black mirror episode
Good SCP name.
Lol you're right, it sounds like a good cosmic horror title.
Reminds me of an old movie called The Philadelphia Experiment. Watched it as a kid, found out it's a hoax many years later.
This reminds me of being a kid out on the lake and always asking adults why I couldn't see the other shore. Or "why do the trees look like they are sticking out of the water?" They always said "it's an optical illusion," but one or two well-informed ones explained I was seeing the curvature of the earth itself. Which blew my little mind, and still does to this day.
In Search of a Flat Earth was both brilliant and upsetting, so I appreciate that you put out this Lo-Fi Conspiracy Debunking To Study and Relax To video as a chaser.
"brilliant and upsetting" is the perfect description.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime
He didn't zoom in and out, he raised and lowered the camera. The only thing there that I see that could possibly make you think he zoomed in is the fact he didn't use a gimbal to keep the camera still.
Why am I even wasting time speaking to an antisemite?
@@frosty6845 antisemite?
... this video is a bullshit ! they should have done this : zoom on the opposite shore a same height point ; use a lazer at the mean time
@@Spirit__Man probably from a commenter who deleted their comment
'Pray harder and try it again'.
After all of this work, the response from Flat Earthers was 'Pray harder and try it again'.
Me, seeing the camera go low: "byebye tour boat!"
Me, giggling as the camera raises again: "hello tour boat!"
This gives me so many good vibes
If the camera is moving up and down , why does the background not move ?
Waiting patiently
@@twotubefamily9323 buddy. The void you asked this question to has no answers you want to hear
@@twotubefamily9323 If you've ever driven past a huge field with roadsigns near the road, you've probably noticed that while the signs seem to whip past you, the far background of the field appears to be almost static. You're driving past both of them at the same speed, but the rate at which the angle to the sign changes is much more rapid. The background in this video is farther away than the horizon, therefore it seems like it's not moving - even if the camera moves down relative to the background just as fast as relative to the horizon.
@@twotubefamily9323 Surely you’ve heard of parallax?
I'm not a scientist, or flat earther, or really someone who cares too much, except for the amount that is accepted for caring about such topics, but I watched this all the way through. Even though this is an experiment, and a painfully obviously conclusive one at that, I am struck by the beauty of this footage. It has the same feeling fo looking at a piece of art in a gallery, where as you look over time you see it in so many different ways, see different things in it. It functions like science and art at the same time. It is beautiful, and I am in awe.
I bet you wouldn't feel the same had you watched it without the background music.
@@BigDaddyWes Nah, I actually had it on mute for a fair bit. It's just beautiful footage.
I actually wasn't convinced by this footage as no optical line was established and it's simply relying on adjusting the vanishing point by moving the vantage point upwards. Could go either way with that. Really not conclusive in my opinion.
@@theclubvids @theclubvids moving a vanishing point up and down does not make things disappear behind the horizon on a flat plane. It can compress slopes that are nearly horizontal, but would not hide vertical trees.
@@GoPieman It's my contention it would compress equally according to some ratio perhaps, but equally. The example experiment I would suggest is going to a soccer field and comparing the amount of, and length of objects you can see from when you are lying down on your stomach looking forward compared to standing up. The bottoms of trees, and posts would disappear the further away they were, however, I would say that upon standing up you would see the bottoms of the trees and posts from across the field again, just by changing height. Thus bottom of tree disappear across lake when lower vantage point.
Coming from a home raised by a parent that believed in all the anti-sematic, cabalistic, "us vs them", flat earth, antivaxx bullshit I just wanted to throw this out into the void of the internet, hoping it might catch someone, anyone's, sails and maybe give them the push they need in the right direction.
4:13 to 4:34 brought a sigh of relief out of me that's been building up my whole sheltered, preached at, "herd immunity", confused, *confused* life in the making and sent tears streaming down my face.
In his other video, Dan pointed out how profound and powerful it is, to be able to physically see this change happen in real time and I didn't appreciate it enough there. Here, with everything laid out perfectly and with the careful Dan-like consideration we've come to expect, I felt every fiber of my being, every ounce of my push back against the parent that's been hate blind to science their whole life, relax. Like someone had cut the tension wire, and I was finally allowed to drop the weight I'd been carrying.
I guess I'm saying in many words is, thank you Dan.
Let's all vote this comment to the top
I’m happy this was so cathartic for you :) there are other people out there in this world who are kind, reach out and you’ll find them.
You would not believe how much I want to give you a big hug right now
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This was wonderful to read. I also appreciate a fellow Total Annihilation/SupCom fan.
SCP 24901: the minnewanka curve experiment
True
Any SCP reference gets an auto Like from me.
Here ya go....
The fact you got a boat in these shots is honestly pretty huge. The amount of times I've heard from Flearthers that boats/ships don't disappear over the horizon, they just get further out of our view, and that you can just zoom in on them and see them again is one of their key arguments for this sort of shit. So yeah, the sheer fact you got a boat moving horizontally across the footage, rather than further away from us, AND show it vanishing and then reappearing is just... chefs kiss.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime What? Zoom makes things bigger, yes, well done. I'm not sure what that has to do with the camera being raised and lowered.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime ... I don't think you're understanding the core basics of what's being shown in this video. Also, it's okay dude, you don't need to like your own comments.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime But an expanse of water isn't an object like a hand. If he was raising and lowering it above a rock, your point would definitely be valid, because the rock would simply block the view and as the camera was raised it would see over the rock. But this is a 'flat' terrain, if you'll excuse the term. If we're using your hand example as a size differentiation, try doing this above experiment at a small pond or pool. Set up a toy boat one side and your camera on a gimble on the the other side, raising it and lowering it wouldn't encounter any obstructions or view blocking, you'd still see the other end of the pond/pool AND the boat in full view.
@NerdWorldNinja FoldingSpaceTime You obviously haven't watched the video. You can clearly see even in the first 10seconds of footage that the crests are barely an inch or so. You're clearly too deep in your conspiracy to see anything that doesn't support your beliefs, which is an extremely slippery slope to continue down. We should be questioning everything around us, and we absolutely shouldn't trust what the Government tell us, but there's a difference between scepticism and out right delusion. I'm truly sorry you're in that place, mate. I wish you the best, but I won't be engaging further because it's clear you're just here to talk circles. Laters.
You missed the part where he didn’t zoom in the boat or didn’t take in account for the waves.
🤦♂️.
Not only is this a fascinating experiment and excellent proof, this is also just plain fantastic footage to chill out and relax to.
Olson segues into down tempo conspiracy debunks to read/study/relax to?
Was thinking this will be my new before sleep go-to.
Curved Earths to chill out/relax to
Me: looks at the news feed
Me: restarts the calming video
@@rinnhart Goodbye, tour boat... hello, tour boat.... goodbye, tour boat... hello, tour boat....
...over and over and over again...
I zoned out when you started talking math to stare at the pretty scenery and I realise I've not changed a bit since school.
Oh thank gawd, I'm not the only one who did tha....
Same. I was a straight a student but math just... does something awful to my dyslexia
@@doubtful_seer if it's only about maths, I think that's called dyscalcula? but if you get it with words too and equations make it flare up, that makes sense.
The math is just their to fudge the figures
Fake, Dan just used his Aquaman powers to raise the water level over the boat
this must be it
fucKING AQUAMAN
Before buying up coastal real estate
@@theuncannydag whgo'S GOING TO BUY IT?!
There is something so bizarre about living in a culture where so many people want to make you doubt your own eyes. This footage is such a mind affirming thing.
nothing is perfect. eyes can lie, like in mirages, magic tricks, and holograms. however they're still useful most of the time. there's no need to jump to either extreme.
There are lots of people who feel inferior and they look for ways to change their apparent knowledge without using the normal critical mechanisms they find so difficult. The simply start Iying to themselves and join others who do the same. Its denial as a lifestyle.
Isn’t the argument against flat earth literally that you shouldn’t trust your own eyes/perspective because that will lead you to conclude the earth is flat?
@@JA-jx1hk "the argument against flat earth"
...is what humans have seen of our planet from space.
@@ShizukuSeiji pathetic, there is not one picture of earth from space, nasa openly admits they are all artistic renditions. It’s all fake. You literally just have to take the word of astronauts.
As someone who asked for the specs of your equipment, I really want to say thank you for including this companion piece.
I like coming back here to read comments from Flearthers salty that you can demonstrate curvature with one (1) camera and one (1) fancy stick
I see you have failed to pray the curve away.
For those who cannot tell; this is sarcasm.
He doesn't have faith enough
jk
I know people are saying this makes the earth look huge. But to be honest the curvature is a lot more than I imagined, like 3 meters over 7 kilometres, that's a height I can see, that's a distance I can walk. This made the earth look small to me. I feel much smaller as well tho, so maybe that's what people mean...
What's wild to think about is that the reason you cannot see the Chicago skyline from the Michigan side of Lake Michigan is because relative to the shore you're standing on, the center of the lake is higher above you than the tops of the skyscrapers if you were to draw a straight line directly from your feet to the opposite shore! Amazing!
Same with any body of water.
Except you CAN see the Chicago skyline from the Michigan side of Lake Michigan. Look it up. And the official reasoning is that it is a “mirage”
@@yehomasso3538 as someone who lives on the shores of lake Michigan and has been to Chicago for both business and pleasure, no you cannot. even from the tops of the largest buildings (that have publicly accessible viewing areas) and im damn glad for it, we dont need any fucking Chicagoans on visible on our lakeshore, out of sight out of mind
@@yehomasso3538 That's not "official", but atmospheric refraction itself is a fact predictable by science.
@@yehomasso3538
Yeah and it can only be seen when atmospheric refraction is just right.
...that's why waves on a big body of water look like they do.
Sorry, I just ... I've always had a little niggle in the back of my head about how the waves near the horizon look different from the waves near the viewer - they're mashed closer together, it feels like, in a way that distance doesn't explain - but it's because nearby waves are viewed from above and faraway waves are viewed from flat on.
Every picture or video I've ever seen of the ocean or of a big lake has been proof that the Earth is round and I've only just seen it right now today.
I don't think that bit is necessarily attributed mainly to the curve of the earth. On a plane, if you look at your feet you look almost straight down, but if you look at something further away you look at it from an increasingly sideways angle, so even on a plane theyd get smushed. Lets say you're looking at a figure 0
* is you
Line is your vision
× is object viewed
(A)
*
|
×
You see: 0
(B)
*
\
×
You see something more like o
Etc. Approaching (but on a plane never quite reaching) (C):
* ---- ×
You see ---
The same will happen if you take a flat piece of paper with lines, look at it below your nose then lift it up in front of you keeping it flat. I think our brain edits out this discrepancy, just taking the useful info out of it of where the paper is in relation to you, but if you compare having the paper directly below you and almost in front of your eyes but still flat, you'll see the smushing there too.
Now the fact that in the video you can see the water neatly cutting your vision of the trees is because the earth /is/ round so you do in fact see ----, in this case in the water before the trees.
@@Justin-ib2iz That's completely fair - a flat-earther could explain that one away quite easily. I do think it's a different visual effect than I would have seen looking out over a flat plane, but it's absolutely not definitive.
@@Packbat Waves out at sea look different from waves at the shore because THEY'RE LITERALLY DIFFERENT KINDS OF WAVES.
The shore is special because it's a place where the land is, i.e. "where you run out of water." The waves out at sea have no 'ground friction' and get bigger because they can move uninterrupted. Until you get huge waves that crash over themselves ("surf waves!" or hurricane like conditions), you don't get water splashing about so much as moving around in big lumps.
In contrast, as water gets pushed towards the shore, the bottom of the water gets held up by the ground. You're 'running out of sea'. The water that moves at the top of the surface can keep moving forward and curling over top of itself but the water down low is dragging. That's why waves near the shore like to 'roll over top of themselves'.
You'll see it on a beach with really strong waves: the water roils over top of itself and slides waaaaay up the beach. Then, when the water loses its momentum and flows back, it really exaggerates the effect when new water hits the water sliding back and "bubbles over" the other water, making that weird rolling effect you'll see on the shore.
The difference in depth near the shoreline accounts for the differences in waves when you're on the sort of beach most people imagine when they hear the word 'beach' and 'shore' together. The waves look different not because of distance but because the waves waaaaay out in the ocean are acting entirely differently from waves that are about to become landborne and go from being a part of the sea to a part of a puddle.
"These are small, but the ones out there are far away" ua-cam.com/video/MMiKyfd6hA0/v-deo.html
i'm sorry, did you just say "niggle"
Seeing the newest comments on this video is so scary, i don't know why i was so foolish to think that straight up proof you can see with you own eyes would be enough to let people leave that cult. I hope no one i know will ever be sucked into it because i just wouldn't be able to help them
Because it's not a problem of facts , that can be solved with experiment and proof.... It's a problem of trust and believe.
The companion video does indeed say, that these people don’t believe in flat earth, and that definitive evidence can never convince them. These comments just prove it.
Before: of cause the world is a globe.
After: it's _TOO_ _PRONOUNCED!_
PMP right??? I can’t believe the earth is so small we can just see the curve with the naked eye. Wtf. That’s so uncomfortable.
@@NekoJesusPie I'm now expecting a handful of flat earthers to see this, become convinced by it that the earth is indeed round, but then they move onto the new conspiracy: We've been lied to! the earth is so much smaller than they're telling us! Tiny Earthers Unite!
Shufflepants this was pretty much Christopher Colombus'deal
Shufflepants lmao looking forward to flat-earthers insisting africa and eurasia arent real, it’s only America and South America, Jesus was American and the Holocaust didn’t happen because Germany didn’t happen. The Norse knew Midgard was just 1 island. Coming to a Facebook group near your cousins soon.
Shufflepants Apparently they’re all joining Qanon.
To thank you for this video, Irish blessing:
May the road rise up to meet you (at approximately 8 inches per mile)
May the wind be always at your back (due to the atmospheric pressure maintained by gravity)
May the sun shine warm upon your face (during the day/night rotation cycle)
the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again (traveling in a straight line away from each other from one spherical point to its opposite)
May Gravity hold you in the palm of its hand (with force equalling mass times acceleration).
Nice
Flat Earthers all seem to think there are 6 foot permanent tsunamis on this lake, the humidity is so high that it distorts the far shore even though it looks fine, and zooming it will somehow raise up the opposite shore and reveal what is blocked by the water.
This footage puts a knot of inspired exhilaration in my chest. What we consider obvious knowledge is so humbling when demonstrated to us by the planet itself. Thanks for putting this meticulous experiment together.
Of course, you're missing the obvious explanation that the light just decided to bend that way just then for some reason or something
There's _clearly_ a cloaked Romulan ship, no, the whole fleet of them!, parked around the shore! Yes. Clearly.
This is actually a really common flat earth talking point, and will no doubt be their explanation for this video. _Atmospheric refraction_ they'll say, which is actually the reason scientists think the Bedford Level experiment got flat earth wrong.
People will always try to explain away the truth with some bs
It's the Satanic rituals!
@@Jan_Strzelecki Cloaked Romulan ships from flat Romulus!
Just a sincere "thank you". This whole project was a lot of work and I appreciate what you put into it.
I've been a long-time viewer but I'm heading to your Patreon now to contribute.
(I think Folding Ideas is a team of people? I could be wrong but, if true, I want to thank everyone).
I really want to take a holy pilgrimage to Lake Minnewanka and recreate this experiment with my camera and equipment.
An accidental experiment I do every morning gives me similar feels: crossing the Sydney Harbour Bridge, I notice the distance to the buildings reflecting the sun in their windows changes depending on the height of the sun. The lower the sun, the closer the reflections; around the harbour and out as far as Concord and Homebush. When I'm running late, and the sun is higher, the buildings reflecting the sunlight are further away; Parramatta, or eventually, Penrith. Because the reflecting buildings are leaning away from me at an angle half the angular height of the sun.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Niiice
Used this in my classroom today!
Did they like it?!
I am awestruck. That is the only word for this feeling. That profoundness you mentioned really hit me this time when I understood what I was seeing.
Finally! Proof the Earth is round! It's about time.
We've been wondering which was correct for so long.
You should watch the entire video before you trust these globeheads.
Was it?! Coincidence that it was shot on a camera called BLACK MAGIC?!?!
#godisgood #boosatan #icewall
Karson Wood satire? Right?
Robin Hogan calling someone a globehead is extremely funny.
The Earth is a cube and the moon is made of barbeque spare ribs.
Wallace and Gromit went to the moon and found it made of tasty cheese.
It's a simple question. Would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs? I know I would!
@@KrBme78 Ew no, they were cooked 3.5 billion or so years back and stuffed in the fridge known as space ever since. At least let me reheat it on the sun.
@@KrBme78 that's why they call me whiskers!
I wish I had a super huge TV and I could just watch this and sit back and relax. I usually like watching videos with just aquarium fish or beautiful scenery like this to relax.
I just ordered a new 4k tv (not super huge, but big enough for my purposes) and I think I'm gonna watch this video again on that to enjoy the detail!
@Stellvia Hoenheim dude, wtf
hey jessica do black lives matter?
For just a moment, you can hold in your head the size of the Earth. It's beautiful and humbling. Incredible stuff. I don't even give that much of a shit about how this "debunks" the awful conspiracy theories. I'm deeply moved by the chance to understand this huge, yet tiny little ball we've all gotta fit on.
I remember driving (being driven- I was young) back to Texas from Colorado on IS 287 right after vsauce released that video where he talks about the shadow of the Earth, and he suggests you look back during a sunset. I remember crossing out of the mountains into the steppe of New Mexico with a million miles of sky, and I looked straight ahead and watched the literal shadow of the earth come into view in the Eastern sky. Same principal as watching a sunset twice, just on a wider scale. You can watch the shadow of the Earth come into view and literally cross the land and engulf you. It was humbling. Same vibes as this. Makes you feel so small, and at the same time so lucky. I mean... we are the first species to even be able to comprehend such an idea. I love that feeling of insignificance vs potential. It's like when you progress the story in a game and suddenly the map expands and the area you were fucking around in for the last three hours is just a fifth (or less) of the map. It's both exciting and humbling to realise how insignificant you've been up to then. Way I figure, though. Now that we know how little we are, we've got plot armor. Humans are at the intersection of too creatively adaptive to run out of options and too happlisly stupid to give up on trying. And shit like this just fills me with hope. It's like medicine. It just reminds me of how far we've come in carving our way into history. And how spectacular we could really be.
What a beautiful thought. I couldn't agree more.
The music and sound design in this video shouldn't go underappreciated. It really helps this simple science demonstration transform into an art piece, or maybe a meditation video.
Clicked this video only because I saw Minnewanka. I used to go there every year and backpack around the lake. It's a very cool video!
It's odd to be listening to this music and not watching your cat.
Watching the tour boat pretty much disappear behind the curve of the earth hits me in this weird way every time. Just.... it's seeing the world in a whole new way, being able to watch the thing in action
Yeah, it's uncanny.
I know this is an experiment but dang, that filming is so beautiful it makes me wanna cry
This is BS. You're clearly just alternately filling and draining the lake by several meters of water every few seconds.
god it's scary how i can barely tell if this is sarcasm or not
@@vi_cesario Totally not sarcasm, don't you know that NASA has big pumps in all of the big lakes all over the world, just in case someone wants to do this kind of experiment? Side note: why would all the countries in the world let NASA put big pumps in them? Ah well, it's obviously true so I'm sure there's some good reason!
@@vi_cesario ... I know how you feel... that's because a real flat earther would probably use the draining and refilling as their explanation, and if that failed, they would just go back to refraction... LoL...
But I'm going with sarcasm...
I assume you're the one they call a flat earther?
@@Musikur where did you learn they put "big pumps"? I'd like to learn as well
See, but this is the heart of the problem. Anyone patient, clever, or willing enough to follow that math can likely already see the conclusion as self evident. If you already can't accept a simple truth, by definition you never will.
You can't logic someone out of a mind set they didn't logic themselves into.
I wanna attribute this qoute to RED from overly sarcastic productions but I don't know if she found it somewhere else, either way it's very appropriate
In conclusion, people are delusional and dumb
@@JoeMama4352 They definitely didn't come up with that quote, it's a few hundred years old. The oldest evidence of it comes from 1721 by Jonathan Swift, who wrote: _"Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired."_ It's been updated through the years to say the least.
Everyone's talking about whether this proves the earth is round, no one's mentioning how Dan actually caught clear footage of Bigfoot
Even with this beautiful evidence of a curved Earth, the unconvincable will sadly remain unconvinced.
" the unconvincable will sadly remain unconvinced.." It's OK : just so long as they don't leave their villages, or venture out to sea, or observe closely the heavens, or try to understand weather, or become space scientists or teachers, or .. (well, you get the idea) they'll get along just fine.
@@alancrabb Sagan was right. He called tribalism "dangerous evolutionary baggage" in 1980.
@@desdenova1 : yes, but if they don't leave their villages, no problem, eh? Would it help if I appended /s to my comment?
@@alancrabb No, I was already able to detect the Poe's Law.
@@desdenova1 : good : thought I was losing my touch. Also, love Sagan.
The irony, of course, is that the main video does such a good job of laying out that for these people reality is subservient to the metaphysical "beliefs"(?) that they superimpose on literally everything.
No, I think the real struggle is that reality absolutely is not subservient to their metaphysic, and confronted by or rather to escape confronting the existential horror of the human condition, their own frailties, and failings, they immerse themselves in a fantasy that intrinsically makes more sense or is less challenging to their worldview.
@Stellvia Hoenheim found one
@Stellvia Hoenheim what, too many words with more than one syllable for you? Should really remember to drink your adrenochrome.
@@rinnhart he could be joking buddy
@@nicktaylor1902 then he DEFINITELY shouldn't be skipping his adrenochrome.
It's surprisingly moving to see the Earth's curve visually demonstrated in this video. Thanks for posting.
I’ve never had any doubts about the Earth being a globe but that is different from seeing… this. The curvature of the Earth peaking up as you lower the camera. Seeing with the bare eye that the Earth curves. Absolutely awe inspiring.
That is not what is happening.
@@RayleighCriterion Moron identified.
The footage with the music you chose is kinda perfect for meditation. It's beautiful and calm and something else that I don't have words for
Love that we got in search of a flat earth DLC
ngl i cried when i saw this footage the first time
Leave it to Dan to make the best ASMR vid.
Beautifully filmed and explained - one of the best demonstrations of curvature I've seen.
deeply touching footage. thanks for making the effort. this particular effort, and in general.
Here in Holland you will see massive container ships roll over the horizon whenever you visit the beach. They seem to disappear from the bottom up..
I have also seen the sun set multiple times in a span of mere minutes - just by taking my little toy racing drone up somewhat higher.
Cool to see it demonstrated on a lake - especially with the camera jig. Gorgeous footage!!
Sadly a lot of flat earthers excuse that as them going "out of sight", and also blame it on atmospheric refractions. They argue that, with a good enough camera or scope, you could bring the ship back into focus (which makes 0 sense because then surely you'd be able to see countries the other side of the world with a telescope). The fact Dan managed to show a boat going 'behind' the curve while it wasn't sailing away from us was a great touch.
@@Spamhard yeah, I totally agree with you.. it's such an awesome video and the use of the jig really brings it home :)
I guess I wasn't even trying to convince any FE'ers, as that is indeed all too often pointless.. I just wanted to share these two instances where I could clearly appreciate the curve, which this video shows so very well :)
As someone who grew up near the sea; reading through these comments, I guess I never realized how many people never had the opportunity to see something we often take for granted over here.
BTW - that one comment about witnessing the curve through power lines was really really great :) I will keep an eye open for that one, from now!
I have videos on my channel of vessels sailing above the horizon, because the horizon is an optical phenomenon.
@@RayleighCriterion Of course the horizon is an optical phenomenon. What the hell else would it be?
Just a reminder. You will never see farther on a “flat” earth at a relative distance and elevation than you would see on a “round” earth. You will never see farther than the distance computed by a curve calculator. For instance you will never see the direct beam of the brightest light from a light house that is 100 feet above sea level while standing with eyes 6 feet above water level from a distance greater than +- 16.8 miles depending on atmospheric refraction. You might see the “loom” of the light from below the horizon but not the direct, unobstructed light- again depending on atmospheric refraction and the particular curve calculator used. Flat Earthers usually ignore atmospheric refraction and claim the object is visible from a greater distance than calculator indicates.
Wow. Just... wow. I'd never actually seen the curvature of the Earth myself before, not to remember, but... damn. Seeing something disappear behind the gentle waves, and staying gone until the camera lifts off the ground again... it's profound, and a little unsettling, and something I wish I could see in person. Don't know of any long-but-not-wide lakes in Southwestern Ontario, though...
I mean idk wym by southwest but southern Ontario is pretty damn close to the great lakes, i would be shocked if you couldn't find a spot that sees accross enough for you to see this for yourself, im a michigander and did something like this once accross a part of Lake Michigan but even that didn't show it off as well as these videos do, I think its just how much you can look at at once versus in person. Either way though, theres not much to do during quarantine so I'm sure it would make for a great road trip to the great lakes 😂😂😂
My father demonstrated it to me when I was a child, picking me up and onto his shoulders and setting me down, watching ships disappear on Lago Maggiore. Mind blown.
@@hunterra217 I mean the bit of Ontario that is close to Michigan, actually! The part of Ontario between Toronto and Detroit. I'll consider it; my little sister loves road trips and has been hideously bored.
"something I wish I could see in person.." Please save up and come to the South of England. There is a cafe atop the coastal cliffs between Dover and Folkestone, from where you can see big ships come up over the eastern horizon, traverse along the English Channel, and disappear hull down behind the western horizon. On a clear day you can see the hilltops of France, and on a clear evening the car lights going over those hills. The reality of a gently curving earth is overwhelming. They make nice sandwiches, too.
ok thank you for this comment i had no idea what i was supposed to be looking at
I think flagging this as 'Appropriate for a classroom environment.' does it a disservice; I think this is wonderful footage for people to really grasp with how the scientific method really works. Ancient cultures had been aware of the roundness of the globe, although most didn't comprehend how big it actually is, but we've only been able to go to space until, relatively speaking, very recently. Beautiful footage, too.
Point d'Ironie sure, mate.
Point d'Ironie sure is, which is what I alluded to; you would’ve known this if you didn’t dismiss me and actually read my statement.
Point d'Ironie there is no problem with that at all: I merely stated that this being ‘appropriate for classrooms’ fails to capture how valuable this is for children.
I’m not sure what’s confusing to you.
That the earth was a roughly spherical shape was already established in 3rd century BC and circumference computed with just a few percentage of error. Of course it wasn't generally accepted by then. That there are still flat-earthers today is really frustrating.
It was a more accepted belief than would be given by modern people. And its a choice today usually to support a flat earth model...or it will once they come up with a viable one...
The only way to know the shape of the Earth is by getting high above the surface, and mankind did not have that technology until the 20th Century.
@@RayleighCriterion Look up Erastothanes's experiment, that's what this comment is referring to
This cute little tour boat is on a wild ride today.
Really love your channel and the video essay style you present with great sourcing and proper science/math. Keep it up :)
The music on this and the previous video have just been fantastic! Absolutely wonderful!
Honestly seeing the full footage makes me want to see if I can replicate this experiment somehow. It's one of those situations where the facts that are so big and abstract we kind of just take for granted and utilise without thinking about them become... elevated, and beautiful in their own right. The difference seeing it with your own eyes makes cannot be overstated.
Profound, like you said in your other video. I wasn't sure if I understood at first what you meant, but I'd like to think I get it now :)
This is just so beautiful and calming to watch, there's something about actually seeing the curvature that is unlike anything I've experienced before, you always know it's there, but seeing it is an experience
Commenting so that, at least briefly, the newest comment on this video isn’t a petty criticism, but instead, a praise of the extent that Dan has gone into providing every single person here with excellent educational content.
I was not really paying attention to my video queue, but the music and footage of the lake completely drew me in. The meditation I didn't know I needed. ETA rewatched the beginning. Splendid.
'new comments' pov: you are looking for flat earth cultists
I like that this is a maths video. Always nice to see the complicated mathematical problems be solved to the simple answer.
And it's even nicer that you got lovely footage of the serene lake.
I appreciate this as much as a work of science as a work of just, like, chill nature footage.
Love the footage & the music^^
Seems to work wonders to help me relax
Dan please answer your phone, I’ve sent you the adrenochrome and I need my damn money.
Oh, hello again.
I really should go to bed now: apparently I've started hallucinating UA-cam comments from people I know again.
Educational ASMR with beautiful visuals, perfect!
It's all CGI.
Mike O'Barr lemme take another hit
A 4K footage from a drone going up an down should be enough for any flat-earther. If they don't want to see reality, then they are beyond help
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This was a lovely, soothing video. It was a balm on an otherwise painful day. Thank you.
The minnewanka experiment leaves the flatearthwankas with no argument 🤣.
If you ever want to do another of these, I would suggest looking up Lake Pontchartrain. I've been there and you can just SEE the curve in the power lines.
But I suspect you don't want to do this again, lol
@@lifotheparty6195
Our dad used to have us hold our breath going over bridges in the car, just for fun. Then we went to visit Granny and drove over the Lake Pontchartrain causeway. Dad of course said nothing & had great fun watching us struggle to hold our breath for 20 minutes.
@@alisaurus4224 XD
@@lifotheparty6195 bless u I thought the exact same thing ❤
YT channel Soundly has a comprehensive study of landmarks across that lake, pylons, causeway etc, using telephoto compression to emphasize the curve. The comments are a soup of vitriol and disdain from flatties.
That boat is money. I don't just see the curve, I feel it in my soul watching that boat disappear and reappear. The height and path (distance from camera) is perfect for illustrating the curve, great work man.
This is the video I'm gonna come to whenever I have anxiety. As you can see, I'm here right now
Hold on, I'm taking a hit.
This is phenomenal work!
This is the most absurd claim being taken in the most serious manner I have ever seen.
That is just the best attitude there is.
Beautiful film making, I didn't know that I needed this until I saw it. Thank you.
The Earth is a cylinder
Technically a flat earth would be a very short cylinder.
@@gusgablaw7375 The earth is actually a top hat. The deep state elites live on the top part, we the people live on the outer ring. That's why airplanes never fly over the north pole, even if it woul be a faster route. They would need to gain too much elevaton to get over the top of the top hat.
@@hendrikd2113 so the real question is: who is wearing the hat?
Fun fact! That's how animal crossing works
@@Isimoro A turtle? But what is its sex?
Growing up by the sea, and spending a lot of time out at sea during the summers, really hammered home for me just how much the horizon curves, but also how much of the sea bulges up and hides things. This experiment really illustrates those experiences in such a beautiful way I love this video to bits 💜
Perhaps it's the simple beauty of the shots. Or Dan's methodical approach to the mathematics involved. Or the fact that we're 6+ months into a pandemic induced quarantine. Or @Core's wonderful sentiments. Maybe it's a mix of all of these. By 8 minutes in, I was weeping. Thanks Dan
I really appreciate your videos in this series, so much so that I shared your “In Search of a Flat Earth" video on my FB last week. I especially appreciate your perspective that the modern Flat Earth movement is not necessarily biblical nor is it really about Jesus. That might help some people struggling with authority of the Bible or matters like that.
Your dedication to science is also much appreciated, as you went the length to conduct this experiment twice. This also has the potential to be a showcase of what qualifies as good science. Next time you conduct this experiment, perhaps find a few more witnesses or teammates and document the entire experiment with multiple cameras? Also in order to exclude the interfering elements such as refraction/distortion of hot/cool air, perhaps multiple experiments under the same condition would be beneficial.
Then again, I understand that even the most sophisticated experiment cannot necessarily convince Flat Earthers that the earth is a globe with curvature. They have accused similar experiments of using CGI, premeditated conspiracy and so on. But I do think your videos have the potential to be excellent documentaries for future scientific studies. Kudos to you.
Damn, Dan. Kilometers? Centimeters? You are not using the FREEEDAAAHHHM units? You are clearly one of THEM!
Or Canadian. One of those.
@@winterhtech What did you think "them" means?
round earth sounds to study and relax to
sphere noise
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This video is calming and educational. I already knew the earth was a globe but I didn't know it was possible to see curve since we are so small comparatively.
I never thought a science experiment could be study music but you proved me wrong
Absolutely beautiful scenery! I love everything about this video.
The audio is crap. You can hardly hear the mic drop at 4:40. :)
Once the music faded out I kept waiting for the jump scare 😀
Great work
Neat! I was wondering if this was going to be a thing you put up on its own.