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Reaction to an exciting and controversial Bommarito 500 at World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway St Louis. Talking Will Power vs David Malukas, Colton Herta penalty and the Josef Newgarden restart heard 'round the world
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Gutted for Malukas. Strong move and his left front never wavered from the white line during the pass. That was on Power💯
💯💯
I'm furious about the lack of penalty for Will Power on Malukas. If the roles were reversed, Malukas would have gotten penalized immediately. Malukas' interview matched how I felt as well. He's never going to get justice and that podium today.
If power would’ve gotten penalized, he wouldn’t have been taken out in the stack up, and would’ve probably had a better outcome than he did. Everything works out in the end I guess.
@@acog_quarks8753penalties happen during the green, so we may never know if a penalty was coming or not since he crashed himself
"CIRCUS CIRCUS" - Chris Economaki
PENSKE will 99% NOT penalize his team.
Sting Ray Robb deserves a shoutout for his performance
When I started actually watching the race, he was leading due to the pit cycles, but when I saw he was genuinely running in the top 10 I was so hyped.
I hope he wins soon!
At least IndyCar doesn't have Playoffs, because as S1apSh0es said, "Playoffs are stupid and bad."
Playoffs are stupid and bad, m'kay? 😂 I just read that in Mr Mackey's voice.
Indycar doesn’t have enough cars to justify that. I feel like playoffs could only ever work for something like NASCAR because they’re so diverse in terms of their schedule and also they’re very much a contact sport
I am still trying to figure out what they are "playing".
The start of the season is the beginning of the playoffs.
@@black_sheep2520 Pre-playoffs. (I joke but I could maybe accept NASCAR playoffs if they had a three-round championship. Basically, I value the final four as much as the phoenix champion....err series champion)
The big thing they need to get right if Penske wants this series to gain some popularity is to not make it look like his cars are not immune to penalties that you call on other teams for doing something less egregious.
somebody fucked up big time when they decided to change the tradition at Indy - Gentlemen Start Your Engines !
🤔 ya Penske sucked before he ought IMS and Indy car 😆
That's what the St.Pete cheating scandal was all about.
"Look, when we cheat we get penalized too. But just this once, so just lower your expectations."
And this was bad. Power gave him no room and then moved into him clearly.
@@fgoindarkgexactly, it was just so we would forget that they get away with everything else
The fact that this is the third time a Indy car has taken flight in three races is crazy
"Don't do any of this nascar bullshit" is a beautiful statement. David tells it like it is and I love it :)
amen
I’m a nascar fan and I laughed at that. Absolutely right on that front. 😂
Do everything opposite of asscar
Was thinking the same exact thing!
Indycar has already done the nascar bullshit at Indy with multiple red flags to get a green finish.
It’s still crazy to me that some people don’t see an issue with someone owning a team and also signing the paychecks of officials
You've never heard of CART have you??
@@fathertomoutdoors6579 charters are going to be owned by Penske too soon...
Penske will have the power to veto the sale of any charter if he sees a team that buys a charter as a threat.
@@fathertomoutdoors6579 And now Penske is doing his best to bankrupt it again. His teams are the only competitive ones, he's been lambasted repeatedly for failing to invest into IndyCar and appropriately market it, his teams are repeatedly creating bad optics for the sport whether it's from the penalties earlier this year or the nonsense from this race.
Just owning something doesn't mean someone is running it well, or that they're a net positive, or that they might not be old, senile, and out of touch with what it would take to recreate the success they had earlier in life.
@@2639thebossyeah possibly. It could die sooner than NASCAR unfornately. The only thing saving IndyCar is the TV Deals. If they weren't on TV they would be dead.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld And realistically, how many more decent TV deals are going to exist? We've already seen how popular sports like the NFL are farming out content through their own platforms, or more popular services as "flagship" programs.
IndyCar isn't. At best, they're behind the eight ball. At worst, they're missing the boat.
The fact Newgarden, unprompted, started talking his innocence in victory lane before being asked, to me, proves he knew what he did , great race though
He’s lost a lot of credibility this season.
@@jsembler1that’s an understatement
Well, he saw the video during the red flag and knew about the complaints.
“i saw on the tv it even looked i went late” thats not something you should say on an interview
He’s perfectly happy being a Heel.
Stacking up the entire field and causing a big crash. Penalty❌
Blocking a driver for a podium and still losing. Penalty✅
Excessive blocking has always been a penalty though.
@@Ultimate23Dragon Except it was far from excessive. He moved in reaction, yes, but moved back right after to let him through. No contact and nothing below the racing line. Linus didn't need to let up and wasn't even slowed down by the move, being able to pass without issue.
@@robk.7550100% right
There's a flow chart in race control: is the car in question a Team Penske entry? If Yes: do nothing. If No: penalize tf out of them!
That infuriated me, considering that Herta backed off immediately.
Was very grateful to have a great oval race again. Even though I didn't love the final outcome, still was a lot of fun to watch.
The audio showed that Power's spotter was clearly informing him of "inside, inside", yet he still came down leaving less than one lane. Can you ask officials if they were considering a penatly? In the end, the penalty wasnt necessary since on the next restart, Power was taken out. On the slow restart, Herta's audio said "he deserves a penalty for speeding up and slowing down... that is dirty". My main question is "was Newgarden at normal pace car speed" as required by the rules. He appeared much slower. Even though he said he does that all the time (slow restarts), he certainly did NOT do it right after the red flag restart that he caused. I agree with Herta.... it was dirty, and intentional. Restart Rules: "The leader of the field under the yellow condition is required to maintain pace lap speed until reaching a designated point (restart cone) where the leader is REQUIRED to accelerate smoothly back to racing speed and the green condition will be declared. If the leader does not accelerate at the restart cone, THE STARTER will show the green flag to the field to accelerate." Newgarden did not accelerate until the green light came on, meaning he was outside the restart zone. He did not comply with the "smoothly accellerate" portion of the rule. Had there not been cars taken out, I would say let it stand (no penalty). However, since Newgarden caused a lot of equipment be destroyed, and endangered his competitors, a penatly is warranted.
Agree he baulked penalty
"In the end, the penalty wasn't necessary since on the next restart, Power was taken out." >>> Dude race control don't have a crystal ball for what might happen later in the race. He should have got a penalty cause he pinched Malukas onto the kerbs, made contact causing Malukas to crash out. Dirty move by Power.
@@corbendallas4716Indycar issues penalties during green so they can't serve them under yellow.
well said
@@corbendallas4716 Not arguing. No doubt it was a dirty move and was for the win. I think it was Dave's race.
There needs to be a rule change in regards to Newgarden spinning his tires while on the jack in the pits to get a slight jump when he drops. That's dangerous, could catch a tool or limb and twist it around the tire
Oh thats what was going on. Looked really weird and I thought it was my computer/stream.
I'll give Will Power credit. He snapped at Dillon Welch, immediately apologized & composed himself quickly enough to give an interview that didn't really have any vitriol. Will Power of 2011 tells Welch to f off and keeps on walking.
I wont give him any credit. After that NBC interview, he apparently went and yelled at David Malukas. Just terrible behavior from Team Penske today (outside of Scotty Mac).
Power is a hot head, always has been. Went berserk on Dixon a year ago, pinched Castroneves in turn 1 at Pocono several years ago, his own teammate. And now he blames Malukas for what happened? Ridiculous. And the thing with Newgarden, we'll, karma is a bitch isn't it? And Newgarden? We already know what he is about and the evidence just keeps stacking up.
@@michaeljacobs2954What’s he about?
@@UofLFan1224you could watch badminton 🏸 lol
Obviously you’ve never raced and have passion about it
@@michaeljacobs2954you mean when Dixon at RA, 🔧
Congratulations Alex Palou for winning your 3rd championship!
At this rate everyone else is choking it away and delivering the trophy straight to his doorstep!
Here before hybrid failure at ________ race.
Call it Milwaukee race two
He is a cool customer. Businesslike.
I CALLED IT I CALLED THE HYBRID FAILURE LMFAO.
So once again the team of the series owner causes an unnecessary wreck and doesn't get penalized? Imagine that
TV didn't show the first 30 laps and didn't record the last 8-10 laps of the race. Thanks USA/NBC for ruining this race for us.
USA had to finish covering the Xfinity race. Pfft
CNBC had the first 30 laps then switched to usa network
Yea i just got off work and had recorded it on HULU but it started on lap 31 and the recording stopped with nearly 30 laps left! Fcking bs. I spent all day not going on UA-cam or even looking at anything so i wouldn't see the outcome! All for nothing. Goddamn NBC
Yes. I can't wait for Fox to be the broadcaster. NBC has been so bad. They keep switching up the channels. I'm done with NBC sports....they suck!
I know its not an option for everyone, but you can watch them on peacock.
You can’t penalize Herta if you don’t penalize Power for what he did to Malukas. Also in my opinion from the eye test, it looked like Newgarden slowed and stacked the field and that should be a restart violation in my opinion. IndyCar should be better than this inconsistent officiating. NASCAR already has that problem, and F1 as well. Indycar doesn’t need it.
Yup, even the commentators were talking about how McLaughlin didn’t speed up, Newgarden just slowed down. Gotta maintain pace car speeds and he didn’t do that.
Herta reacted plain and simple
The race excellent (up till the end) and was such an overdue event in terms of quality. I am definitely glad to be a part of the DL500 Club for the live commentary, thank you David for hosting, it’s always a blast.
90 percent of the race WAS LIKE the end... Penske drivers dominant. Lap after lap UNTIL the end.
STING RAY ROBB TOP 10 THAT'S WHAT'S UP 🎉🎉
Led some laps also
Let's not make a big deal because Stingray is slow and has a funny name. This isn't Special Ed.
@@fgoindarkg 🎉🎉🎉🎉
didn't newgarden also magically avoid a penalty for spinning the wheels when his car was still up on jacks?
I feel like Marcus Armstrong has had a really solid season overshadowed by some bad luck and timing. He's been rapid in qualifying. Really hope he stays at CGR.
SO much going on in this one...wildly entertaining, phenomenally high quality racing, incredible drama. Driving as good as you'll see anywhere, any time. Controversy. Emotion. Drama. In many ways the best of what contemporary IndyCar offers. But. BUT. You've hit the nail right on the head of some key 'buts'. But: the damn hybrid. One, it continues to regularly cause so many race-ending mechanical issues that it almost feels like a return to 80's-ish era reliability again. Two, by throwing a 100 lb weight over the rear axel (among many other things) it's created needless and contrived balance/setup/performance issues that feel like a barely controllable crapshoot from race to race, even day to day, things that should be worked out long before introduction (as should be it's rationale for even being, from a racing quality value-add perspective, which if one exists I've never heard it and sure haven't seen it.) Three, aspects of its control have the potential to raise serious integrity issues, never good but especially not for this series at this particular moment. All three of which are elements of this question: Why the F did Scotty Mac NOT HAVE A FUNCTIONAL HYBRID PU on the deciding final restart and laps of the race? A slightly important one, especially as it's the reason Scotty himself gave in his post-race interview as to why he so badly gapped right from the jump and remaining laps, which sure looks both true and accurate as nobody remotely pulled a gap like that on any of the (many) other restarts. It looked weird. And it sure turned out to be. Who has the ability to to remotely turn it off and on, when, and who is minding that store? Can it malfunction? Why is the series even utilizing a power unit technology so unreliable that it vanishes on someone on a late restart and the remaining laps? Which at minimum is grossly unfair, and possibly cost someone a chance at a win? Questions that pertain directly to the integrity of the series. NBC, in their completely non-journalistic role as hypemasters/shills for the series (not a judgement, and I get why that's the gig) aren't going to ask them...they literally pretend as if they don't exist. Sadly the Jack Arute's and Sam Posey's, who actually asked hard questions and reported facts that pissed drivers teams and the series off because they saw it as part of their jobs and a service that fans deserved, are long and forever gone from broadcast coverage. Thankfully there are people like DL who've filled the void and picked up the IndyCar journalistic baton. I'm appreciative of the fine balance every reporter has to walk between delivering the info their audience wants and deserves to know and pissing off and potentially getting frozen out by the subjects of their beat. It ain't easy. Great job as ever. I'd love your take on the hybrid in general thus far and the Scotty Mac issue specifically.
I’ve been suspicious of The sway the Penske corporation holds on the IndyCar series ever since we found out three of their cars had push-to-pass in a race that did not allow it . What I expected would be a serious reprimand/penalty was substantially lighter than it should’ve been. You’re right to think there is a bias towards the Penske team and against its competitors and it couldn’t be more apparent than in this race. It’s not consistency that I want. It’s fairness and the race is not being run in a fair way. I noticed the things you noticed, Power going low and pinching Malukas, and the slow restart that caused the crash that benefited Newgarden. These things immediately looked off to me and the fact that there was no just remedy makes the Penske team look like a villain on the circuit and the series rigged in favor of the Penske team.
still remember the way how they did not bring out a caution instantly when someone had spun in quite dangerous spot at Laguna Seca because they wanted to keep the pits open in order to let Penske cars pit...
If you don’t penalize Dixon at Indy and you don’t penalize Power earlier in the race, you can’t penalize Herta. What Dixon and Power did respectively were both MUCH more egregious than what Herta did. I don’t mean to sound like I’m wearing a tinfoil hat but how are the drivers supposed to know where the line of what is deemed acceptable is when it changes from driver to driver.
Dixon needed a penalty at Indy. Colton needed a penalty last night. I think Power and Malukas side by side is a little different. An exciting move with two guys evenly going for the same space side by side for the win. Not eggregious blocking by driving where the car is trying to pass.
@@darrylkraatz1482racing deal with power and Mulikis. Herta straight out reacted to the move = blocking.
I would bet 90% of fans agree with today. Stuff was obvious today and Indycar missed every officiating call.
Hey David, it wouldn't be the first time this year Newgarden conveniently "forgot" the rules for his own benefit. It also isn't the first time Penske drivers have benefitted from race control not actually having control of the race.
How Penske being a car owner and the head of the series isn't seen as a conflict of interest is beyond me. I had really hoped that Newgarden would be on a redemption arc after St. Petersburg, but to me this cements that he isn't above cheap tricks. We saw that he could go as soon as the green came out. I'm with Herta and Power saying he sandbagged. When you're the leader and you know you're coming to the green, you have to be on it as soon as the green comes out and not holding back.
"cheap tricks" is a lot. That was MAYBE bad intentions if it wasn't within the rules. He took off slow, he didn't brake check anyone. Did it deserve a penalty? Maybe, it's really borderline.
@@asoldoutshow
No, he cheated. The leader is supposed to accelerate at the restart cone BEFORE the green flag. He held everyone back and that's dirty and dangerous.
David Malukas is my new hero... and what a heart breaking interview!
Props to IndyCar for figuring out a great package that made for great racing. But damn Newgarden should have been penalized on that restart
Really? Good grief.
I didn't watch, but how should Newgarden be penalized
They won’t touch the golden boy
@@iuaump4 He backed off on the restart. It was not an aggressive brake check or anything but he did back off to mess with Scotty Mac who was right on his ass. That forced Scotty Mac to brake and stacked up the field resulting in a crash. It wasn't super aggressive but it was there. As far as penalizing him for it, I don't know. I could be convinced either way
@wingracer1614 ok so basically with what happened last year during the 500 when they had to waive off the Start which led up to the accident with Carpenter and Peterson
David Malukas was poised for victory. So close
Penske drivers can do no wrong in the series owned by Penske. Was a great race until Power and Newgarden ruined it, and of course neither was penalized.
I've never once seen Newgarden get penalized for anything on track. I've seen him get busted on pit road, but literally never anything on track. Other cheating his way to victory at St Pete this year.
I'm a nascar fan and I watch indycar on occasion. Indycar needs more ovals because this is some of the best racing I've seen all year.
I really feel for Malukas. Power 100% caused that wreck and denied us an awesome race to the finish.
Agree, since IRL days IndyCar is not on my radar, but I try to watch IndyCar oval races,.
Man I love this sport but they are NOT beating the Penske favoritism allegations at all
Thats what happens when interests conflict. he should not be a team owner in the series he owns.
I don't think team owner is problem jim france owns action express while also being in charge of imsa
@@mackenziegalajda8601 I don’t think there is favoritism, but simply having Penske own and be the best team in the series is going to get people questioning even if if there is nothing there.
You people on the Penske hate wagon. Ya, Penske sucked before he bought IMS 🤡
@@mackenziegalajda8601IMSA is a yellow fest now. It’s taken about 10 years napcar to fuk up imsa
Race Control needs a good house cleaning.
Man, I may be wrong, but Will Power used Little Dave up.
Yep and David is here to talk about it. 😅
You are not wrong...
Will Power for the second race in a row wrecks someone who has a clean run on him. Absolutely gutted for Malukas! He had a hell of a race until Power took him out.
Can't believe Herta got a penalty for racing hard defending Linus but no contact, and Linus got by clean. Newgarden brake checks the field on a restart causing a wreck but that's ok. I think some nascar officials have infiltrated the indy car team. The last 20 laps were a complete shit show!
On a positive note how about p9 for Stingray Robb! He had a decent drive and finally finished a race!
This isnt nascar You can’t react to the driver behind after he made the move, Herta reacted, penalty
@RacingWithChuck27 lol ok bro nobody went off the track, nobody made contact, nobody wrecked. Clean pass. Piss off
The Malukas wreck is on Will, for sure. The kid had an amazing race going. And that restart by Newgarden was hot garbage and pretty much ruined the race for a bunch of drivers.
They definitely need to close the loophole that herta and palou exploited. Because they were a lap down they got to pit 4 laps later and still unlapped themselves
I don’t think you can do that, the reason they’re able to get back on the lead lap is the wave around. Let’s say we’re in a situation where the leaders need to pit and all the cars a lap down are on alternate strategy. Then we’re going to have positions let’s say 14-21 lead the field to green.
Leader needs to take the green flag. Wave around rule allows that, plus gives people a lap down a chance to redeem. Otherwise there’s two cars on the lead lap at the end.
What needs to happen for the good of Indycar: Penske needs to sell his Indycar team. He can keep Indycar and the Indy 500, but he needs to sell his team. Too many bad looks like this race. It's past time for this to happen.
I hate what ifs... but...if will had been penalized, he wouldn't have been there at the end, changes the whole race, better results, no crashes saves money for teams and helps teams
I was at the race. Great video and I agree with your points. One item of note that was not mentioned but probably needs to be highlighted was the fact that 3 cars left the field due to mechanical failure, including Pato. I think this is an issue that Indy Car needs to work with the manufacturers over the winter and get this issue resolved before the start of the 2025 season.
David from my memory the starter controls the start of the race while the leader controls the restarts… I don’t think josef did anything wrong. And you could hear Scott jump on the throttle a little bit and cause the accordion effect then Rossi crashed into power. Just a racing incident. But power did deserve a penalty
That one restart was a mess, I think like 5 drivers messed up at varying levels… but holy crap, that race rivals Fontana 2015, that was absolutely fantastic
That Fontana race!! Wow.
Excellent analysis David. The only thing that sucked about NBC’s USA network coverage was the debacle that preceded it. That was the Xfinity race so we did not get a pre-race and the race was joined in progress and you’re right the IndyCar race was the better race.
I was so happy when Power got crashed, for what he did to Malukas. He's very experienced driver and he knew what he was doing. Great race though.
Power criticizing Malukas post-race ridiculous. The crash that triggered the red flag was entirely his fault.
2023 Texas race was Good, Great and I was there and the Indy 500 was the races. Now 2024 St.Louis and the Indy 500 has been the best races. We see Mil. and Nashville races. Indycar to race at Texas, Phoenix and LV tracks again. Fans support all tracks and races.
I get that in ovals, you need to be more safety sensitive, but there really needs to be a rule change on bringing out the yellow. There's no way a driver should make an error and spin, then get a benefit from it by getting fresh tyres and put right back behind the car he was following. A yellow wasn't necessary for Newgarden, but since it was thrown, he should have been made to go a lap down.
Also Power should have gotten a penalty, but I guess it all worked itself out in the end. Newgarden's restart was dumb, but not uncommon in racing, maybe if they were allowed to go two-wide he would have done something different. Maybe McLaughlin was a bit caught out by not knowing the rules as well because he could have done what Palou did and put some more pressure, but maybe he was already pass the green flag lights and a bit too close to Newgarden to move to the side.
Hertas penalty is stupid since he lost the position.
Hardly...he gives a 20' European swerve and fortunate not to make contact.
Yes it was a crazy race. Very competitive, great racing . But a lack of penalties for Power and Newgarden
I've been an IndyCar fan for over thirty years through all the drama and I'm almost to the point of walking away! To be clear I don't "hate" or "like" any particular team, I just like racing. The series needs to do something about how painful as a fan it is to watch almost an entire race and then have the series owner cars/drivers cause two accidents and then have no consequences. They're bordering on professional wrestling!
This isn't NASCAR, the series doesn't need a Villain to be interesting. So Indycar needs to start cracking down on Newgarden's bullshit, because it's not making the series more entertaining. It's making it _worse_.
But Penske will never rein him in.
Oh yes it does. Controversy buts butt's in seats and eyes in screens. Generates buzz
We need a Will Power moment like that every season or so, its what makes us WP fans!
Heck yeah!
How’s it feel pulling for a complete piece of shit?
I was there last night! What a race! IndyCar at Gateway always delivers!
The officials didn't think Power was avoidable contact because Power drives for the owner of those Officials.
Dude, you got Power'ed. I enjoyed the BS bomb, keepin' it real, that's why we watch DL. Herta raced Linus clean and hard down to the inside line, that's about it, we have seen much worse.
The ever-enduring pain of my favorite racing series having being controlled by a team owner is brutal. FANTASTIC race, hypocrisy aside. Power & Newgarden absolutely should’ve both been penalized, and the penalty against Herta is insane. Again, overall a wonderful race, but an unfortunate dark cloud over the full experience. Oh & did anyone else notice Stingray Robb got a top 10?
I’m still agreeing with my first impressions after watching the race: with all of the shenanigans that went on, the fact that Herta was the only one ending up with a penalty is crazy 🤬
Every car has telemetry. I wanna see the brake trace, throttle trace, and speed for Newgarden. These are all fundamental vehicle data taken by every team. Maybe it would settle the debate. If Newgarden was more than some percentage slower than the pace car, or if there's a certain amount of velocity change, or more than a certain number of throttle aplications in the restart zone, it should be a penalty!
Honestly, talking about what it looked like is kinda nonsense. Opinions are like assholes. There's data for this, and everyone needs to know the rules and compare the data to the written rules, or we need to change the rules to eliminate this in the future. Appreciate your thoughts DL.
And you know the rules?
Nope, I sure don't, but I would need to, in order to comment intelligently. This situation is still clear as mud a week later. And as far as I can tell, the announcers, pundits, and fans don't know the rule. You better believe I'm downloading the rulebook after this though. Everybody has exhausted themselves speculating, but nobody's figured out whether this was legal or not.
There are a lot of people hinting that this was a malicious move. I'm saying it's the responsibility of the announcers and commenters (anyone arguing about it) to know what the rules are. One rule says that they have to maintain pace, and another rule says once green, the leader has the field, but neither of those is damning without the data. I guarantee Indycar and Penske both know whether or not he slowed. They have the telemetry, but they won't tell.
I'm pissed, because my favorite driver got knocked out in the jockeying. But, I'm more pissed that nobody seems to know if it was legal or not. There should be a defined threshold for whether or not JoNew did anything wrong.
If he did slow down, this sets a bad precedent that every leader on every restart can go as slow as they want, which is obviously not right. Or, if he didn't slow down, everyone else is just SOL, because they didn't know the rules, and overcommitted to the leader going when it went green. If that's the case, it's on them.
You are mistaken on the restart rules in IndyCar. On restarts specifically, they're meant to call the green after the lead driver accelerates.
Rule 7.7.1.3: At the appropriate time, the Pace Car lights will be turned off, indicating the intent to restart the Race. The leader is required to
maintain the pace lap speed until reaching the restart zone designated by INDYCAR when the **leader shall accelerate** smoothly back to
racing speed and the Green Condition will **then** be declared.. The location of both the restart zone and designated restart line
(Road/Street Course Events only) shall be announced during the Competition Meeting.
IF this is the case, then Indycar is at fault of the incident
Newgarden went through the entire restart zone before starting, they likely threw green when he hit the end, which still makes it on him - not to mention he was actively slowing at points
@@ProModsPerformance this is all good except for new garden slowing down in the restart zone, and finally started accelerating outside the restart zone. scott’s onboard tells the story.
Positives: Gateway was much better than anticipated, strategy great until last 40 laps or so, bad oval racing might be 1 off with dumb half pavement at Iowa 🌽, hybrids were barely mentioned.
Negatives: Race start on CNBC due to rain and dumb superspeedway package wrecking for Xfinity at Michigan, NBC booth getting confused by strategies, Power taking out Malukas with no penalty, Newgarden brake checking the restart causing a big wreck, Herta blocking penalty.
Very bad night to be a Will Power fan.
I’m sorry for David and to his fans. Although it was hard racing, but do why Will went down…
Thank you Josef for ruining Will Power’s 3rd championship hopes….
Even with a great race like tonight, we’re still leaving Gateway on a bad note
Hopefully palou doesn’t win his 3rd championship!
Will is interesting guy with his personality and some will like it and some won't.
I'm a Will Power fan! Him and Santucci are my guys!
There was an Indy car race on TV last night? I swear to God, NBC’s promotional skills suck Royally! I scanned my guide looking for any racing yesterday and apparently didn’t check USA Network. God Damn It!! Can’t wait for Fox to take over so finding TV coverage of Indy car is no longer a game of hide and seek. Plus, I’ll no longer have to endure the galactically annoying Leigh Diffey.
Add TBell to the Penske Bromance.....Thank you Hinch keeping it objective and calling it how it was!
@@ssgolf6487 u joking? JHinch (or whatever he likes to refer to himself when looking in the mirror) tried to push the narrative that Rossi wasn't at fault for running into Power... Ridiculous.
This was just posted on one of my groups
according to the rules he can't lift once he starts his acceleration. It has to be a smooth acceleration from start to finish. He also must maintain pace car speed (which he did not). The only thing the leader can really do according to the rules is set the point at which they accelerate. THAT IS up to the leader. He should've been penalized and notice how they said it was being reviewed but never came back on to say why there was no penalty.
Will should of been penalized for contact with Malukas
But Newgarden should definitely be penalized for the dirty restart
That had Rossi up in the air and cars crashing
Just like his push to pass, story he is a horrible liar
Outside of the Indy 500 this was the best race of the season I thought it was awesome
Hands down
Barber was also great too, and I don’t even like Barber
Yes Barber was very good I normally love that race. Multiple strategies and tire degradation that lead to real lap time differences make for the best races IMO
@@michaelkitz2090 Barber is usually boring but the racing has gotten better since 2022
The FIA need to get involved. There is NO WAY Penske should own the series and run cars in it. Pick one Roger. Penalty to Herta for aggressively blocking ( did not wreck the other car), No penalty for Power>(Penske) taking out Malkus or Newgarden >(Penske) backing the field up at the restart and causing a pile-up, wrecking 4 cars. The FIA should appoint permanent Independent Race Officials for the Indycar series that have no connections to Team Penske.
I’ll pass on the FIA. They aren’t the answer. But, I do agree it’s a bad look the way the penalties are leveed.
You misspoke when you said Lundgaard ahead of Power. It was Kirkwood. This isn't the first time when I have been wondering how a car is allowed to stay on the track if there is not a single car they can pass...mathematically impossible to improve their position. There was 21 laps left when the Power/Malukas crash happened and Kirkwood was 33 laps down. There was literally no way for him to improve. The only reason I could think why he would still be running was to stay in Power's way to help Herta. By my way of thinking, Malukas, Power, Grosjean, Rossi, and Harvey were all taken out by the #27. I am not anti-Kirkwood...in fact, I had him picked to win this race. The fact is, he shouldn't have been there at that point and I believe the #27 is directly responsible for the disastrous end to this otherwise amazing race.
Love the content...thanks for the David Land channel.
And then after the mayhem started...they cut to video of Kirkwood out of the car like..."my work here is done"
It was an amazing race! The big Issue, the championship standings. Even with Palou receiving a penalty (I was excited about this), Pato's engine died, Power crashed and Dixon was just unlucky. Palou is already the champion
Is it just me or has the name Newgarden been associated with quite a bit of the controversy in Indy car for quite a little while now. Sometimes it seems like he's Indycars Golden Boy.
✅ - Make cars too robust. Almost negating all the effects of accidents.
✅ - Allowing things to go too far into "rubbin' is racin'" mentality, to the point of non-calling dangerous driving.
✅ - Promotion/allowance of "drama" and "controversy" in the sport, therefore overshadowing everything into almost a "Pro Rasslin'" sort of deal.
✅ - Pushing/promoting gimmick, after gimmick, and usually haphazardly applied.
✅ - A sport that's really dominated by the main teams, with everyone nothing more than moving obstacles for them.
Wow, Penske sure did learn a lot from NASCRAP, huh?
(PS - MotoGP is best GP, fiteme)
I thought it was a good race from start to end but I have to admit it was Power’s fault for coming down on Malukas and that next to last restart was sloppy where Newgarden was slow and as being one of Newgarden’s favorites, I felt like that it looked suspicious with the restart but I did screenshot what David Land retweeted and understand what they are trying to say about the Newgarden restart incident.
Congrats to Palou on winning a 3rd championship and hope that the 2024 season ends after being a rough season in general and congrats on Newgarden for the win and I’m sad that Power is likely not winning a 3rd championship.
Wait Palou clinched or are you meaning it's unlikely that he can be caught?
@@PaperBanjo64unlikely being caught
@ericmarchesini4883 yeah everyone is throwing it away and delivering the Cup to Mr Palou personally
Power lost so many championships to the point which he should only blame himself.
Iowa was disastrous this race was great, and the outcome for both was the same Penske on top... again
A bit unrelated, just a shame that Dixon got screwed by the yellow. Otherwise it would have been a perfect pit
I completely agree with you David. Will Power simply did not leave David Malukas enough room. And for Will Power to go down pit lane and scream at David Malukas is ludicrous. David was hugging the curb the whole way!
I was surprised by the number of mechanical issues that happened. Mclaughlin said his hybrid didnt work on the last restart? Ericcson, Oward, Kirkwood?, and a few others I forgot
New technology for a series always takes a time to bed in. The thing that comes to mind is GP2 as there was a period when a random number of engines would fail at the start of a race. I believe it may have been a 'too hot' thing.
I was gutted for jack damn he was doing welll ngl
I think this was a great race and I look forward to Nashville. How Penske didn’t get any penalties is detriment to the series. But that restart from Josef made me want to throw up. We have seen wayyyy to many other similar restart crashes and frustrates me when the oval restart leaders back up the field only to cause a crash. When we allow restarts like that it only makes sense that indycar is behind Formula 1 and NASCAR because it looks so Busch league
Let's forget everything after Newgarden spun as that was a farce but up until then, as you said was a great race. Short track racing in Indycar with multiple lines, lapped cars battling for position making it tough for the leaders to get past who are also fighting for position reminds me of the 90's with the races at Phoenix, Milwaukee, Nazareth and New Hampshire. Driving around in a line at 200mph with very little passing and lapped traffic not being a factor is boring, but actually having guys needing to make decisions and try and get through that traffic while also trying to pass the guy in front (or defend from the guy behind) is what racing is all about and what seperates the good drivers from the great drivers. Michael, Al Unser Jr., Mario, Emmo and Nigel really put on clinics in the mid 90's as to how to race. Even the race at Burke Lakefront Airport I think from 1995 or 1996 with Nigel and Emmo going side be side, turning left AND right for half a lap with inches between the wheels shows how great they were but it all the chaos with cars on different laps passing each other on short ovals is what is exciting.
I think David is pretty spot on with his recap here. Optically its tough to make sense for the average viewer the contact with the 3 no calls/call. It was a great race all in all that had the finish tainted. I enjoy Gateway every year and will 100% be back next year.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Puebla oval
Mexico ✅
Short oval ✅
Not owned by NASCAR ✅
Facilities good enough for an FIA championship in recent years ✅
I just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos and how you show your passion in the auto motorsports. I didn't watch this race you are talking about, but I will be looking for a replay of the full race. I follow NASCAR more, but you got me looking into Indy/F1. I had no idea Indy raced at Nashville or is that a 1st time track for Indy? Either way I think it should be good.
Well done Linus. Let’s hope your second podium of the season and the teams inside knowledge of a) your times and b) situations outside your control are enough for Chip to offer you a new contract.
So totally agree with your entire assessment including what makes a good oval short track race. I'm going to blame unclear rules and inconsistent enforcement of those ambiguous rules on drivers driving dirty and stupid. Will Power got exactly what he deserved after crashing David Malukas out, but he wasn't wrong Josef Newgarden his team mate cause the accident. Zero Penske cars got penalized today. So I have been saying this for years and it was the way things were at one time, if a guy is alongside like Malukas was, like Legg was you have to give them enough room to have their car on track whether it be inside or outside or whatever else. Now drivers are literally going completely offline to run other drivers off track or pinching them as happened multiple time at St Louis. This discourages legitimate passing and causes wrecks for no good reason. What then is considered alongside? Well if their front wheels are alongside your rear wheels or past them they have the position leave them enough room ontrack, if they are not alongside then there is no need to do anything but take the optimal normal racing line and the onus is on them to backout. We have replays and if you misjudge it is on you as a professional race car driver to get it right.
Now how penalties are handed out is remarkably inconsistent. the race control people need to be held accountable too.
David it was good race and I was literally outside the main gate at 1PM passing by and intended to go as this track is on my list. Had been out of town and the family was willing but homesick.... keep up the good work sir.
Penske drivers seem to be getting away with stuff they shouldn't Will can't seem to get through a race without wrecking someone. And JN definitely cracked his throttle twice.
The rule in all motorsports on the safety car restart is that when the safety car period ends it is upto the lead car to control the pack at a safe and consistant speed. Another dumb call from indaycar officials
In most series on a restart cars can't pass until the start/finish line. In the USA they're allowed to pass as soon as the green flag drops. I first saw,that at a NASCAR race at Dover Downs in 2001.
I must admit that I don't know if that rule has changed since then. International racing hasn't changed about no overtaking before the start/finish line.
@@simonkevnorris nascar and indycar make their own rules. There is no international oversight. It sounds like pre race they determine a restart zone and the leader can go at any point inside of it. Since Newgarden rolled all the way through at 80, indycar threw the green. Newgarden still didn’t go right away. Rossi saw green and hammered it.
I'm not a big fan of Newgarden, but I find no fault in his restart. His critics can't have it both ways. If the pole driver is in charge of pace until the green flag / light is flown, then that's the rule. Newgarden didn't flagrantly break-check McLaughlin, but McLaughlin may have been flagrantly too close to Newgarden (as were other drivers to other drivers behind them).
I respect this
No, he cheated. He was supposed to be at race speed when the green was shown.
@@fgoindarkgwrong
Did Newgarden have something up his sleeve?
Of course! Perhaps a little extra oomph 😅
I think oval races show a lot about the characteristics of a driver and his car. The differences in mechanics are more noticeable on an oval with a lot of flat out most of the time, but the intelligence on track, how clean a driver is or isn't riding at 200mph with teammates just inches away, the control of the situation to stay out of trouble and even a driver's luck for a yellow flag
They should rename INDYCAR to Formula Penske.
But yet palou could win his 3rd championship!
I almost feel bad for Dixon. Better to race hard than playing the fuel strategy gambit.
I would like to know if in car telemetry set off the sensor as Newgarden moved through and had left the restart zone. Because the green flag waived right before the wreck. I wonder if everyone is going then Newgarden was still slow.
I don't think there is anything they can rule about the restarts. The leader can take off or pace the field however he want as long as he is at pace. Ya it was probably a shady tactic that threw the competitors off but it's happened a fair amount of times and nothing has happened. Maybe in the future they make a rule specifically stating how a leader must restart the race or deem forcing a stack up to be illegal. But for now there's nothing there that would warrant anything penalty wise.
Then why have a guy waving a green flag? The leader shouldn’t start the race, the flag man should.
Newgarden’s thought: there’s no rule they can get me on, I’m going to control this restart my way……
On Will Power: wrecks a guy-no problem, gets “wrecked by another guy”- flips the bird…..double standard
Dumb question perhaps but why isn't the restart zone the start/finish line?
Probably tradition. The green used to be signaled by the flag man, but there's LED boards now.
Watching the last two restarts of the race, they put the green light on way earlier on the last one than the one Rossi hit Power. I mean it was put on in the middle of 3&4 on the last one where as they put it on when they came out of 4 when the accident happened.
I don't understand Indycar's restart zone. I hated when they restarted on essentially the backstretch. But now they restart so late that you get these accordions. Move the zone to middle of 3 and 4 and stop these clown show restarts.
Still fairly new to Indycar, would F1’s rule of not being allowed to pass until the start finish line on restarts make any sense here?